Ummagawd 2Fiddy changed my mind about sub-250g freestyle (vs. GEPRC Smart35 HD)
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
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-- TABLE OF CONTENTS --
0:00 - Intro and commercial disclosure
1:26 - Why 3.5" is my current favorite for sub-250g freestyle (Smart35 flight test)
5:39 - 2Fiddy motors: Aerolite 2004
6:25 - 2Fiddy FC: iFlight Beast F7 (is it tough enough?)
6:57 - 2Fiddy comes with Nebula Pro!
7:17 - 2Fiddy frame design
8:22 - Smart35 frame design
8:57 - Smart35 motors: 1404 (too small?)
9:31 - Smart35 FC: GEPRC F4 all in one
9:54 - Smart35 comes with Caddx Polar
10:59 - 2Fiddy flight test!
16:57 - Durability discussion
21:54 - Conclusion: which one should you get?
Just recently got blessed by the algorithm to bring me to FPV. I am hooked. Got a betafpv 2 and a simulator to start. Your videos have really helped me jump into this head first. Thank you for the content!
Dude same happened to me. Get yourself a nice little bind n fly you can practice with and fix when you crash. That’s what I did to get my feet wet in the hobby and now I’ve built 2 of my own custom builds. Seems daunting at first there is so much to learn but if you spend a good 2 months learning everything you possibly can you’ll be a borderline expert in no time. Hope to see your freestyle vids someday brotha.
Edit: didn’t realize that was 9mo ago. Hope you’re a pro now hahaha
Your wallet will hate you, but we are glad you are here
It's totally worth it...
you can FLY !!!
Welcome, this channel will be your Bible 😅
How's your flying been going since a year???
Wow your flight with the 5" was insane. That was probably my favorite of your flights. The fact your ripped it like that right away says something.
Every video I watch of yours I continue to see your flying just gets better and better and better!
man, i started watching this channel when Joshua Bardwell could barely fly. now his just throwing down some awesome freestyle moves. sometimes i have to rewind the video to see how i could replicate a few moves.
Tommy is a genius and you can absolutely tell he poured his heart and soul into developing and tuning the 2FIDDY. He cared enough about the community to design a sub-250g 5" quad that is incredibly fun to fly, while also remaining *legal* to fly in the (terrible) inevitable future.
Screw the 250 limit. Always remember that this BS rule is being handed down by a phenomenally incompetent and opaque government.
The ZIP TIES , that's...he's a fkin genius.
This made me snort loudly.
Together with his "Screw Discloading" right after a lenghty lecture about it... where my favorite parts of the video.
I hardly ever comment on videos, but would like to say, thank you for another great review and everything else 👍👍👍
Tommy can make a pretty quad, JB your reaction is great. "Screw disk loading"
Hi Josh Great video on the 2fiddy with the Smart 35. For 5 years I have been flying 3in and smaller. I do have a couple of 5in but I don't have any room for them to fly right now. I am very excited about 4in now. Thanks again for the video and information.
that zip tie is exactly how I had done mine when I switched to caddx unit. When JB says its a good idea and the smartest thing, sure makes you feel good you had thought of the same thing!. LOL
Looks incredibly fun to fly. Thanks for the review
LOL with the zip ties. I just got done building an Apex with a Vista and the first thing that came to my mind was to use small zips in the 20mm holes! I loved your reaction to that!
Hearing your breathing rate accelerate as you fly this quad makes me want to buy it, and I am new to fpv and durability I didn't think was going to be a thing came from old balsa trick planes got one shot on those bad boys 👍😉 AWESOME channel
Well....this video was worth watching if ONLY for the knowledge of "I'm never using screws on a Vista again!"
Can't wait for this level to come to mass market. sadly i lack the ability to build one of these or the money for DJI but its awesome to know the technology is there.
So glad you FINALLY flew it……. Hate say I told you so but at least now you know! Awesome job Tommy I love both of mine
Hi JB. When comparing disc loading, are motors and props factors? Also re sub250 5-inch, have you tried betafpv xknight 360? It is slightly over 250g with battery (without one r). I fly cinematic not freestyle but fwiw i like it better than my nazgul. It feels like a toothpick.
i will say i was also blown away the first time i took off. I ordered mine during the pre buy and got it pretty soon after. You missed out on the original button head screws, i think they were made from uncured jello, any little bit of torque and they just opened up like a round flower. Also, that early on GNB had yet to release the 380 6s so i purchased 2 550 6s packs. Right out of the gate it felt great at about 270 grams all up. I'm running analog with a runcam split mini. I was easily getting 6+ minutes from it not being kind. The 380's came out and i got some of them, the build comes in at 237 grams and i get a typical 5" run time on them. Tonight i was out just cruising around doing some exploring since i've converted it to Crossfire and i had 8:57 on the armed time when i landed ant i was still at 3.6 volts per cell. It's quite a nice rig. Beware the 3 blade props, the break easily at the hub if you crash. Also, durability, for some reason the bell loosens on the motor shaft and the 2fiddy will fly funny as there is axial motion. Super glue has helped and Ummagawd has been very helpful along the way. Cheers!
Thank you for the review.I have considered 2f. You ruined my doubts.
I preordered the 2fiddy as soon as Ummagawd made it possible. My 1st 6s quad and my absolute favorite. Running a Jhemcu f722 with his exact tune. 7-10 minutes on a Maxamps 100c 430mah.
Great review as always
Nice video, Joshua, thanks!
When Tommy was first releasing his videos on the twofiddy, I could tell it was gonna be an awesome quad.
The kwads Ummagawd put together are so prem and labors of ❤. I wish I could put money towards that bad boi.
Too bad the 2 fiddy about 5 hunna😭
Not if you build yourself
Great insights and presentation.
You changed my mind the Ummagawd 2Fiddy is NASTY! I think I'm gonna grab one now.
Having only mounted 1 vista so far and since they don't come with screws, the only way I could think of to install it was with a ziptie through the screw holes. I thought that's how everyone would simply do it.
I have just had the 2Fiddy with 4" Arms arrive in Sydney, Australia. 4" props is quite tight, so I have 3.5" props on it with 1804 2400 KV motors.
Bardwell didn’t see the 2fiddy build videos testing durability lol
Don't think so 😆
Ya mean that one where he flew into the wall repeatedly? Flew or threw? Memory blank, it was a while back.
@@wrstew1272 I remember endless flying into a tree.
YAS GIRL☆ STOKED FOR THIS!
19:14 lol I thought JB found some unobtanium that Tommy put into the 2fiddy lol this was a great vid I am trying to pull the trigger on my first REAL freestyle quad and the gep rc 35 and rekon 4 fr are on my list only because I'm trying to stay sub 250.....that 2fiddy flew like a firefly!!!!!!👍✌
HEY BROTHER THANKS FOR THE GRETA VIDEO!!!
That geprc smart 35 is awesome it even flys great on 3s
From what I remember disc loading should not used on how it will fly. But should inform prop choice. How many blades, how strong props(resistance to deflection), what pitch. Also ... This is an impressive quad.
Thanks again for a brilliant video. Been a while since I've been doing fpv stuff, but just getting back into it.
I see u have a new mic, or new sound. And it carries a lot of bass!! I know it takes a fckload of time to make a video, but sound mixing might be something to look at? 😉
You should try one of Sub250gfpv's frames. Crash straighten the prop, and carry on flying. Tough as nails and so much fun.
I have 2fiddy like build with 2550kv motors, I'm really liking the new gemfan 4.5" props on it
Thanks keep up the good work
Thanks, will do!
I have a 3” quad, a 4” quad, and a 2Fiddy 5” with 2004 2400kv motors running on 5S and it’s by far my favorite quad to fly. 290g AUW though with a 700mah 5S. I can fly this 5” in any tight places I can fly my 230g AUW 3”, yet it can stretch it’s legs in an open area.
If you loved the 5in I think you would love the 4in version on 3.5in props has the same control but better feel
Im so glad you said something about the shocker 4” because i was in between the 2fiddy 5” and shocker 4” you have the best review for both imo, i really like the style of both quads i would like to see you fly that shocker4” again cause its been my #1 contender and Ive been contemplating for a few months about these. Im just not sure about the polar. Thanks jb
I was in exactly the same boat. I decided to go with the Shocker, ordered it yesterday. The polar might be great, especially at dusk, anxious to find out.
@@Dragon129Slayer i agree with that im going to get the shocker i gota save another 200$ tho so maybe next month. Im going dji so im spending prob like 1600 all at once so im taking my time.
Love flying
Sometimes he talks about drones the way David Attenborough talks about squirrels
I build a mutant 4in with shark byte under 250g with 4s850 and it is so awesome!!!! My favorite quad at the moment.
Fantastic flying, Joshua! We can feel your enjoyment flying it! 😂
Tommy did do a FANTASTIC job designing that quad! Really impressive! 😃
About the 3.5" quads, you need to try the Diatone one!
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
He loves it!!! It really knocked his socks off!
@@flowstate_link Yeah, I totally agree! 😃
I use TPU filament to tie my vistas to the quad. Through the same screw holes.
Ummagawd 2fiddy is AMAZING. I still haven't broken any carbon. Also says size of Tommy's motors on the base.
P.s. replaceable arms FTW. I HATE unibodyss
I won't even look at a quad with a unibody bottom frame; too much disassembly if you crack an arm. 30 minutes to an hour to change and re-check, not to mention re-screwing too many times does "loosen" things. Replaceable arms take 5 minutes and are always a must-have to me.
I love the titan xl5 frame. It’s built like a tank and handles like an X class
If the bind button gets broken, you simply have to jump the two contacts on the exterior. Easy peasy.
I used a piece of solder wire to touch both sides.
Impressive propwash control
It was nice of you to go ahead and give it a shot but I think your original asumption was more correct
Thanks!
Getting 👍 practicin those cricket slips threw the woods .......
I am flying with 5inch sub250g and its no problem and also I love Flying with this drone 🔥
Interesting as I was looking to build something that I can fly in my backyard to practice acro that would emulate the flight characteristics of a 5 inch. I was going to build a 3.5
Wooohooo now I wanna win it lol looks like so much fun wow mandalooooo but even the Geprc smart looks like a fun kwad to tho all love on this side !!!
in essence you are talking about the inertial moment.
this is how it feels in the air.
Should have tried my 2fiddy at flowstate. The 2203 motors are outrageous.
Checkout the specs on the HappyModel Crux35 that they're going to release soon. Seems similar to the GEPRC one but much cheaper (and has ELRS built into the AIO)
I just bought the last PNP version and its all sold out now but I had to get my hands on some caddx Pro. Will also be my first soder job, time to order a Soder Test board I guess. Learned so mutch and sureley used your link for it. Best wishes and greetings from Germany.
I Wonder what battery I will be able to use with my vista360 go mounted and staying below that 250g.
JB: "its faster" forgetting he's comparing a 5" to a 3.5" 😂
i love my crux35, such a beast.. im thinking of sticking 2 bottom plates together (they only weigh 14 grams by the time you add some glue and longer screws it will add probably about 20grams) to make it basically a 6mm bottom plate, at the moment in standard form with no hd camera, just a battery with my heaviest battery its 190 grams and i get over 10 min flight time and it hovers at 20% throttle with a 75% throttle scaled limit, so by the time i add an extra bottom plate and a SMO 4k it will be about 250grams, but ill prob be running it just with a thumb pro so it will come in around 230 grams or something, i did fly it with my old sony action camera on it that weighs 90 grams totaling 280 grams but super top heavy where its tuned to be bottom heavy as it carries its battery below, so i found it was super wobbly and terrible to fly, but that could easily be tuned out by someone more compitent than me, i think a light little thumb pro or a caddex peanut or even a smo4k it will handle no worries chasing dirt bikes, doing freestyle where im likely to crash i think ill only ever carry a thumb pro as i dont have the money for replacing expencive cameras every time i crash lol, but im also looking at things like the turtle v2 so for my flying i can record on that, but if i want to get some sick shots of the dirt bikes i can strap a good camera to it since im not really going to be crashing into solid stationary objects like i do when im just flying around hitting gaps and stuff
My man Joshua you’ve become quite the freestyle pilot as of late :) good job! And quite inspiring I must say! What state do you live in? It looks a lot like my home here in Washington state!!
Nice video, I was wondering about the flying time? I think for many people that is an important factor. Does anybody knows the average time for the 2fiddy?
I fly my 2Fiddy at 249g with 2005 motors, bi-blade props, naked Vista and 720mah 4s. 5" sub250 is great 🚀🚀
You really need to try the Rekon 4 FR / HGLRC Sector 4, could be the perfect sub250g freestyle drone, designed by Dave_C, 4", 1804 3500kv motors and flies just like a 5".
Yea like the rekon 4 fr comes with 1804 motors. But would of liked slightly more kv I think 3800 to 4000kv
Bardwell -> Bard well. "Barde" was a German word for a celtic singer/poem writer. The scottish version is "Bard". Have you ever checked your family history? There might be some fascinating stuff there!
1408, 1507, 1606, and 2004 motors all have approximately the same stator volume. I know that doesn't tell the whole story, but it says the 1404 motors on the geprc are about half the size of the 2Fiddy motors.
The disc area of the 5" props is also about twice as large as the 3.5" props. That makes me think the 1404 motors should ought to be about the right size for 3.5", but I bet that isn't quite the right ratio of height to diameter.
My "sub-250" is usually more like 275g. It has 1606 motors, and I've flown both 3.5" and 4" props. I prefer the 3.5", but even on 3.5" it is still super responsive on the throttle.
I don't know exactly what's different about quads with high power:weight ratios, but my sub-250 just cruises SO FAST without giving it a lot of pitch. I fly it with quite a bit less than 15 degrees of uptilt, and when I'm cruising, I know I'm cooking faster than I would be with my 25-degree 725-gram 5".
2fiddy my favorite drone, ever.
2Fiddy all day long! Love my 2fiddy
Would've been great to see you compare the 2fiddy and the rotor riot outlaw
At 3:15 he reminded me of myself with my 5" weighing in at 915 grams with a Gopro.. Flew absolutley amazing, but you could really feel the weight. It was a great freestyle quad but you had to properly plan the routes you were going to fly. Otherwise it was perfect imo.
I might buy a few of these just to salvage those 4:3 DJI cameras 😂
In all honesty the 2fiddy is a great quad. That being said the gold hardware is like butter they strip out and come loose. The motors are good until the shaft drops and a bell shoots off. Change all hardware and get different motors.
The motors are a large part of what makes the quad so special.
“it’s a great quad, but change everything about it”
Joshua,
Can you do a video on setup who to program pro glow power with open TX. Keeps the glow plug burning on a4 stroke nitro inverted. Low throttle setting.
Hey Joshua did you ever review the Rekon 5? I know it is a different quad because it isn't under 250 but just curious what your thoughts of its flight performance was.
Hi Joshua, Love your videos !
Which would you recommend as a first build ?
A 5" Ummagawd 2Fiddy (250gram. analog) or a 4" Flywoo Explorer LR (250gram. analog) ?
Thank you !
Cinelog25 v2 is not only for a video shooting :)
And I'm surprised with geprc 1404, it a perfect motors.
"ohhh.... OHHHH.... it feels like a five inch.... it flings like a five inch.... ohhh yes.... its just getting from point A to point B, in a way a three inch just does not." -Joshua Bardwell
Oh my gawd I want one
Maybe it's mentioned later in the video, I'm not all the way through yet. I imagine having a 2 blade prop vs 3 blade prop changes the disk loading quite a bit. So having a 250g AUW 5" with two blade prop is probably close to 250g AUW 3inch with 3 blades
The disk loading theory, doesn't take in matter number of blades or blade thickness. Only thing that it looks at, is blade diameter.
Other than that, number of blades obviously changes how a quad handles.
Edit: the disk loading theory, only tries to match the weight with propsize to get a similar flight feel of different build sizes.
This may seem way of subject but would it be possible to build a 250mm with the fc and pcb mounted vertically and have the lipo sit inside the frame instead of ontop ?
Another Great video...There's a place where you say the GEPRC 35 ISN'T the best 3.5....What is ?
“Oh Ma GaWd”
Have you tried that with really light flat 4.9" triblade with a naked gopro or session on it?
That is probably where its best.. but again 350g...
i have a good compromise for you between both of them i had a flaywoo lr4 frame and 1507 racestar motors and it flow grate antill i lost it it wase 263g wit an 850ma 4s CNL battery if u get a lighter battery or 1507 motores you can easily get it ander 250g i am collecting parts to build it again
Which one should you get? How much money do you have? And the 2Fiddy comes with the Nebula Pro at RDQ right now. How much flight time do you like? The BabyHawk 2 HD gets about 10 minutes on an 850mah battery and I assume the Smart 35 is similar, but I doubt the Smart35 is under 250 with that size battery. Tough decision and I think my final call will be about price and availability of parts in the future. Will Tommy still have parts for the 2Fiddy next Summer if I break it? I know I bought a Rotor Riot 5" and 3 months later the exact motors were no longer available. I had to get 4 new motors (more common brand and KV) and it cost me about $100 and I have 3 Rotor Riot motors that will not really work with anything else I own.
I would say if I buy the 2Fiddy I will buy as many spare parts as I can find right now.
the RR Outlaw and UG 2fiddy are probably great and i shouldn't judge them without flying, but the Dave C Rekon 4FR just seems like a way better idea for flexibility of use, maybe not as precisely engineered for performance as it seems Ummagawd and Catalyst Machineworks have put in German+Swiss levels of effort and engineering for pure performance.
I read on the Ummagawd website that they have a better hardware kit with aluminum screws that strip out less easily. I think mine has the early ones and a couple of them have stripped.
Also on the Vista, I compromised on one zip tie and two screws. Just paranoid I guess.
I’ve been wanting to build a drone for 4 5 years now but don’t know anything about drone and the differences, good pricing soldering, exc. but I wanna build one tho goes so fast and records good videos
🤔Interesting...wonder how it would shred with the Shark Byte instead....
3.33v in 2 min 3 secs isn’t good but still looks fun!
Exactly. The trade-off is flight time. Not a good one to me.
And suddenly Bardwell flies like Steele haha
I’m getting into this FPV thing and I sick at it … 🤔 my first FPV drone is DJI and I feel like for practice it’s not going to be cost effective if I crash and it seems I am so ready to crash at all times. Please tell me how I should start out I’m in the market for a beginner drone what would you suggest. I’m playing simulators and It’s beginning to get a Lidttle better. But again what would you suggest as a beginner and one I won’t get bored with while I learn and progress. I have DJI goggles and would like to use those other than that I’m looking to purchase the rest 🙏🏽 please help 😂
Maybe it could be a little bit lighter with some of that patented red tape in place of the zip ties.
JB - two fiddy is a great quad - period
Hey, Bardwell. I'd really like to see what you (and Evan Turner if you can get him) think about sub250 5in racers
Tamiyas blue lock tight is the best
4:52 ooooooh sketch, could you see those wires?