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They should've called this thing Noobsound, since it's not the right device for powering shakers! You want an amplifier that has power and in Germany it's called 'Endstufe', because Germans have a name for it and this watt-numbers some 'manufacturers' put on their box must be another Watt than the Watts you want. After my first amplifier died very soon from overheating, and this was a big Sony receiver allegedly capable of hundreds of watts output, I bought a Fame Quad 4150 with a weight of 17,5 kg without the box. There are lighter ones in similar XXL-size, but they come with a fan and it's not a silent one. The Fame Quad can power 4x 100 Watt at 4 ohm and nowadays I would pick a Fame MS 5004 that can output 4x 520 Watt, so capable of powering big buttkickers as well💪. If you power one or more of these and put your rig on springs (I would choose valve-springs for that purpose), you can call it a motion-rig😄
Hi James, are you still using this? has the Nobsound burst into flames? I am thinking of going for X2 Dayton Bass shakers with this Nobamp, the two bass units bolted left and right to the rig (TR160) to get engine vibration and road feel. To possibly transfer through the whole of the rig. Do you think this might do that, all be it possibly quite subtly, or is something more beefy required for that?
@@fingers68 You need proper Buttkickers or similar (100+ Watt) and amplifiers that can power them. Usually I suggest to buy cheaper shakers, but Buttkickers are the better investment. More reliable and relatively silent (from the rattling). Also easy to fix to aluminium profiles.
@@Leynad778 "relatively silent (from the rattling)" Yes this was another thing on my mind. I imagine cheep ones would be just like cheep speakers. Im wanting a subtle vibration not having the wife throwing slippers at me 2am in the morning due to the what could be a very annoying noise going through the house, possibly street!!
@@fingers68 Than you better buy weaker ones like the Dayton-shakers and put your rig on rubber-feet. The bass-vibrations will penetrate through the floor, walls and ceiling and even vibration dampeners can't fully prevent that with strong shakers. I put my hole rig on acoustic foam and before on springs to prevent that. Wasn't loud for me, but for the neighbors.
I'm really honoured by this presentation (as the simhub author) ! You are totally right, the "butt-feets" rule is the best way to start, "chassis" mode (corner) needs some more heavy hardware to start to be interresting Often i recommend as a startup a 4 effects combo : slip, road vibration, road rumble and gearshift , but when it comes to entry level transducters, "less is more" and indeed less effects will improve the details, it's a matter of balance and taste :D.
Software is awesome :) Yah I have 4 of the pucks and have used some other rigs in the past after messing around a ton I found separate to immersion the main thing was the two pucks on the pedals and having them vibrate for front slip as that's the one effect that's often missing from sims ffb and can really help know how much you are pushing and to what extent. Bum shaker for gear clunk or listening to drum and base music is mostly immersion as you can typically feel rear slip from FFB getting lighter with most sims.
@@GamerMuscleVideos If you were driving a 750+bhp racing car at frightening speeds, surely the predominant vibration that you would feel would be it's thundering v8 engine, non? I once owned a tvr griffith 500 and that was certainly the case even at 30 mph!
Hey Dude I have been using this software with Project cars 2 and ACC ....Its Awesome and does just what it says ...Great job... One question though Project cars 2 is the only sim that for some reason has constant vibrating when going down a straight in say the Bently gt3 any track...is this a game issue or something else...All other Sims are sweet... Can you try it Gamer muscle and tell me if you notice the same thing...must have kerb and grass vibration turned on.. Cheers
@@jamesmccaul2945 you can shape the graph to get that to some extent. To be honest for it to really help with driving better you need the racing SIM to do the FFB from the wheel with seat of the pants and other aspects built into the wheel ffb. Shakers are great and add a bit of info and lots of immersion but they don't have the capacity to be anywhere near as detailed as what you get from a ffb wheel which is giving your hands a continued push force as apossed to a vibration of varying degrees.
I built a marshal's post next to my rig. My girlfriend isn't happy about it but the male escort doesn't seem to mind since he's getting paid just to wave a couple flags about.
The best advice I’ve had. For 12 months I’ve been constantly trying to get my transducers to feel correct. Turned everything off and just having wheel slip and gear change. Perfect. Thanks mate
@@BoltRM Not really because motion implies something moving not vibrations. So it is giving you information through motion of a rumble motor but not motion as in moving the driver clearly this is what i mean
@@GamerMuscleVideos 100% agreed with mr. Muscle. I use 4 small 20w vibration speakers on my rig, wheel, pedals and shifter for engine rumble and my t-gt is adequate for communicating wheel slip and traction loss etc. In vr it really helps to give the impression that the car is moving and improving the immersion greatly to the extent that i couldn't play without it. The thumbnail is a tad misleading though. I thought that the great el capitano had miraculously stumbled upon a new seat mover for 150 quid causing m' greedy old ticker to hammer in my chest. Take it easy tiger for christ's sake!
@@GamerMuscleVideos Clickbait. I thought you were going to show us how to make a 2dof motion using windshield wiper motors. Shakers are cool , I have a Shakekit (on your recommendation btw as well as a power wind) but I wouldn't call it motion. (Unless you are counting the micro-movement of butt cheeks whilst vibrating, movement) Good thing about this video is that it proves the Shakekit is 4x too expensive. Wish you posted this video before.
Dude you are THE BOMB! My buddy just bought all the parts for his today (USA) and it came out to $106USD before taxes (he got the 25Watt transducer tho)
As a sound engineer, I wouldn't be too worried about a fire. You need much more substantial amps that output more than 1000W to run the risk of a fire and that will only happen if you mismatch the impedances by a fair bit. My question is would running a quad channel setup for Front Left, Front Right, Rear Left and Rear Right provide any real benefits over a dual channel setup like yours?
Yep though its super unlikely I just don't want to be blamed for it if the Nobsound blows up on someone , my worry would be more the amps PSU than the speakers and wiring lol when a product is called NOBSOUND its good to expect the worst. I found that for the most part just front and back is fine I did mess around with more pucks and due to the nature of the vibrations there is only so much you can get from them that's of use for information. From an immersive stand point if you use them more for track texture / curbs and what have you then 4 channel + 4 shakers on the corners of the rig would be quite nice for me not sure if its worth the hastle like if you are going that far it might be worth saving up for a DIY Dbox type solution which will be much better. The great thing with this is that for £150 you get 80% of what's possible and a big of what you would get from a 3+k solution.
I have had these componets saved on Amazon for years. Wasn't quite sure how to connect them. THANK YOU! Along with my force feedback headphones this should take gaimg to a whole new level!
you can make your own transducer from a sub speaker, i used a sony home surround sub speaker with a nobsound amp that touches the underside of my fibreglass bucket seat. it works amaizing, best of all the misses and neighbours are none the wiser while my butt gets shaken about. edit: actually, the best thing is that the speaker cost £2.50, plus nobsound 20-25 quid, everything else i had laying about or made myself from scrap!
Thanks for the links. Found all of it on Amazon Germany and was able to buy the stuff for just 110€. Looking forward to try it out. Hope it will boost the VR experience as much, as you described.
I am not sure, if it will improve my driving, but my oh my is it a boost in immersion. Thank you again for this video. Great fun to drive, no matter if in pC2, ACC or AMS2.
@@BadDanMe Okay thanks then I have to buy it from Ebay, because Amazon is sold out 😅 Holder for 30€, Amplifier for 40 and TT25 for 40€ - so the same 110€ as you paid ;)
Great video GM - when you move upto Transducers, you can never go back - I had a Buttkicker a few years ago, that died, then I realised how much I missed the effect. Replaced it with pretty much what you've used in this video (as I didn't trust Buttkickers reliability - and my replacements were nearly 1/2 the cost). My favourite effects are feeling engine revs, and a good strong thunk for gear shifts. Cheers!
I have two of these large bass shakers on a thick aluminium plate under my seat, driven by a 100W MOSFET amplifier. It's awesome... and about a third the cost of a Buttkicker, and no doubt much more powerful in terms of moving a larger mass. The kerb and gearchange effects are awesome.
Hey Bro! Amazing video. I've the same setup but I'm not sure how you wired the two pucks in the pedals. Cause I want to use a single two channel amp. One channel for the two pucks in the pedals and the other channel for the one under my butt. Could you please explain how you hooked wires together? Red with red? And black wit Black? Thanks mate! Greetings from Argentina.
Google how to wire speakers in parallel. And make sure your pucks are 8 ohms or more. I use this setup, and it'll treat the two pucks as the same shaker. If you have issues, maybe just use one puck and shaker or get a stronger amp.
Thanks - I've had 6 of those pucks on my rig over 5 channels for just over a year now, still trying to get the setting right in simhub - always tweaking
i would not personally put these on my pedals. i think from driving in winter vibration comes before locking up and its the most grip you get, when abs kicks in its too late. and you feel vibration generally not with pedals but with the body so i think seat is the way. on pedals you just feel abs. when you start to slide vibration actually drops and it feels pretty smooth :-)
This is not literal to a real car , I mean you could set it up to be more literal if you wanted to its up to the end user. When using this I don't really perceive it as the pedals giving feed back its more like the front of the simrig vibrating.
Yeah but for racing Sims you want the feedback coming from the seat to your butt. Maybe you can sit on the vest and put a small cushion. Might be worth a try if you can do that.
Wait I thought Nobsound was what came out of GamerMuscle's mouth when he spoke. Great video, if I had more than a G29 attached to a wobbly ikea desk, I would try this.
Matt Lodge me too and the reckhorn is so good, can i ask i have an issue where i use astro mix amp for gaming headset and can not get the bass shakers to work on one audio output and the Astro mix amp for game sound and microphone can you tell me what to do in sound control panel on windows 10? i have to click the sound bar at the bottom and pick the nobsound amp to get the bass shakers to work but then my headset doesn't even though it is set as default device and communication device as that what you need to do with the Astro mix amp, or that the issue i need head set set as default and nobsound as default communication?
Nice video, looking into haptics for the holidays. How loud is your setup when your car goes into slip, I was also looking at the SimMagic P-HPR and wonder how the pucks compare.
Hello, great setup! Question: for the front channel, did you just split the one channel to the two front pucks? If so, does the Sim Hum see two transducers or one?
oooh, i did this for the Playseat challenge, except I used four Dayton pucks (two behind my bum and two under the front of my thighs) and I found that the results were so good that my wife wanted to vomit after driving the McLaren GT3 just 20 feet in VR.
How did you wire up the front shakers? It seems both are connected to the same channel, so you actually don't get separate ABS/TC signals... Your setup is just for rear/front slip, right?
I did something similar. I put 1 dayton on each corner I used simhub to control the tactiles, I used a 4 channel amp with 2 input. The amp connects to my pc 2 output channels. The rear is connected to bass output and the front is connected to the audio output. It feels so nice and the emergition is so awesome.
Very interesting, been wanting to do something like this with the Buttkicker for a while but the only thing that had put me off is the price being over £200. This is a cheaper and better solution as it not only gives the effect in the seat but also the pedals if you wire them in.
i got 8 pucks (4 pedals 4 seats) in stereo on my simrig and that's badass ! you can tell left curbs from right, i could never play without them again, feels so dull lol
Faithful and true The Word of God Which amp or amps do you use and which transducers if you don't mind explaining? I want to do as you with a feeling of left and right. Any advice would be greatly appreciated 🙏
@@Simlife101 a Thomann The t.amp E-800 running eight 16ohm pucks in parallel (4 left 4 right). each side got 2 behind the pedals and 2 under the seat. Also i'm on ps5, also i don't run SimHub, basicaly just the sound of the game going thru an equalizer/low pass filter Behringer FBQ800 Minifbq. it's a very simple & cheap setup but it works pretty well. If you can go with bigger bass shaker it should be even better.
Good vid. You can add a second wheel-slip effect then use 'Separate Output Channel Settings'; you'll be prompted to name it, so something like 'rear' or whatever. Under Sound Output you'll now see 2 Slip effects options, one called 'Rear' and your original one. You can bind 'Rear' to your seat xducer and original to your pedal xducers; now you can set different frequencies and volumes for front/rear slip.
the two Dayton pucks are wired in Parallel off the single channel so they both are doing the same thing. You would need a 4 channel sound card + amp if you wanted 1 transducer for each wheel , to be honest I found just having pucks on pedals and the base shaker on the seat worked really well and I don't really think 4 channel + 4 pucks is really needed.
@@GamerMuscleVideos yeah i currently have two Reckhorn transducers on a two channel amp and its plenty. One on the pedal deck and one under the seat. Might need to steal that cable tie idea tho ! 😉
So strange and cool watching this classic in 2024, largely because I’m still split between old and new. New Simagics on the pedals but an old Buttkicker 2 on the frame. Cheers!
I just wrote a whole set of steps for how I used rubber isolators and a sheet of aluminium plate between my seat and my rig to massively improve this as a solution. But YT ate it all 😞 Let us know if you're interested and I'll write it up again.
I race mostly dirt cars, and Midgets and Sprints to be exact. I have a very similar setup on my rig for wheel slip. It really does make a difference, especially as the track dries out and gets slick.
Made it as you said and it’s great. I only have a Logitech G920 and it’s not perfect but the potential is fantastic. Hope to update the gear soon and I now know how good it will feel when I can attach it better
Probably too late, but in case you were wondering I was trying to answer the same question and apparently it really depends on your amplifier. There may be some advantages to having 16 ohms, but this specific amp is better off powering 8 ohms. So unless you want to change the amp, I'd say go for 8.
Thanks GM & the guy who makes SimHub brilliant addition. Just wanted to say I tried the Nobsound and could have burnt the house down. Not sure what happened but it suddenly went extremely hot, lucky I was close by to realise what was happening and unplugged it before it burst into flames I’ve bought a used Sony AV receiver off eBay, which I’m hoping will be safer
@@GamerMuscleVideos I know. I use Dayton Audio BST and sim vibe. I agree with the content of your video. Still click bait though. I thought U were gonna help me make cheap motion. Maybe do a video on the DIY motion rig with the Mige motors turned to actuators.
It's nice to see these being brought to peoples attention. There are slightly better hardware options available for a similar budget. I'm currently running various different shakers through 8 seperate channels. Plenty of good advice on a large Race Department thread for those that are serious about it.
Do you think the nobsound amp can drive two bass shakers? Your setup has one shaker (which is bigger and requires more power I guess) and a few smaller transducers, but would two bigger shakers work? I would assume so, as it outputs the same power on both channels?
It will drive them , don't know how long it will run for before burning out or having issues. These small amps will probably use quite cheap components that may work fine or may not lol. If you 100% want a sure fire thing that works check on forums for people that have kit that they have used for a while. this project was mostly me just messing around and having some fun to see what I could do for cheap.
@@GamerMuscleVideos thanks man! No 100% guarantees needed at all, a “will probably work” is good enough, especially for the price! This was an awesome video, always fun to get some ideas for immersion and just pure fun, on the cheap! I hope for more of that in the future :)
How did you arrange to get your two front shakers pucks into the Nobsound? Basically, merging the two reds in 1 and mergin the two blacks in 1? My electrics suck, is that dangerous in any way?
anybody know how he managed to mount 3 transducers to a soundcard that only has 4 channels? I thought you needed 2 channels per transducer. Do the pucks only require 1 channel each or something?
Great video! I think I want to do something similar but I'm new to all of it and I don't get how you got the 2 puck shakers connected to one channel on the nobsound? and if you could control each one separately?
The pucks have positive and negative Wires each. He has the two pucks (4 Wires) wired into a dual wire at the pedals end (keeping positives both together, and negatives both together ), then that dual wire correctly wired into the l & r of one channel on the nobsound. He gets exactly the same feedback on both pedals as its one dual wire. The seat transducer is wired to the other nobsound channel and is controlled seperately in simhub
You have such a good sim frame as is you could have done actual motion for that price with just an arduino a couple of driver modules and few old 12 volt motors
What a legend. Thanks for posting up your setup and how you configured it! I've been waiting and hounding and you delivered! I have been thinking over how exactly I want to mount a front transducer. I've only got the Clubsport V3 pedals but they're mounted upside down so I'm thinking that direct pedal mounting will work out without the weight overpowering the throttle spring.
Might not be a good idea putting them on the CSV3 pedals but maybe you could just use a single large shaker on the tray , you should ask around with other people that have used them with V3's
@@GamerMuscleVideos Thanks for the input. Maybe I need to go with a single larger transducer mounted as you say. I can't feel the little rumble motors on them much as it is so need something stronger.
I've got those pucks mounted the same as GM on CSP V3's. The throttle is slightly slower to lift when you take your foot off but not really a problem. You could always put the heavier spring in too (I haven't bothered).
@@dave81983 Thanks for the info! I have the heavier spring installed so it might work out but I also inverted the pedals. I've been going back and forth on mounting to the pedals versus mounting under my foot plate.
I've been running simvibe for a few years now in my CART/ IndyCar tub and now I'm terrified of catching fire after watching this 😄😂 So now more immersive rig fire suppression system incoming!
I kept checking that everything was cool and to be honest its all very low voltage normally speakers are unlikely to be a fire issue unless the power brick is faulty. I just don't want people to blindly follow this video and then blame me if they catch on fire .
@@GamerMuscleVideos I run 2 mini LFE's and 2 Dayton pucks off of 2 2 channel 150w amps. Ran 45 mins with things turned up more than normal and all transducers were cool to the touch. I will definitely keep a closer eye on things though, stupidly I've not really considered these things much of a risk. Thanks for opening my eyes a bit with this video though!
You can have it so you can feel curbs , engine , suspension compression tones of things. But I found it's best to just have it do slip as that's something usfull for driving. If you wanted it for immersion then suspension engine and track vibrations would be good.
Great video! I like the idea of these little pucks and the little nob box. I’ve already got a couple of buttkickers, with 2 external amps. I use that for left / right slip. I was thinking of another 2 but couldn’t justify the outlay. However a £150 outlay is do-able for me - do you think these will all play nicely together in SimHub as separate sources?
Yah SIM hub does not care , I was messing around with using another amp + the nob sound before I made this video all.worked fine. In the end I found 2 channels was fine to get most immersion whalst keeping things cheap and simple.
Anybody got any ideas how to attach one of the pucks to the CSL pedals? There are no holes like the example in the video, can't quite figure out a solution...
Maybe but it would be pointless , only time you really need to feel a clutch bite point is in a road car when coasting , reversing or doing other super slow stuff. Maybe worth it for euro truck sim but I don't know if simhub works with that. Race starts , you are better using bite points / launch controll methods or just controling gas on slower cars.
does it matter which one's I get, the link provided isn't working for me. I see an 8ohm and an 16ohm, also the Bass comes in at 25w and 35w. Nob for life!
Its the same thing basically but the base shaker feels more natural on seat , and having pucks on pedals instead of bum makes it more obvouse for front and rear slip :)
You would only get vibrations basses of the sound with a ps5. On pc you use software which generates special sound signals basses off what's going on in the game , rather than them just working as vibrating seekers from the games sound.
thank you for this video, just set mine up but getting all the sound coming through transducers, have messed around with all window settings etc but cant work out how to get the vibrations and sound through headset any tips? im running automobilista2
No , one channel for each transducer. Like how each speaker on a hifi is on a channel. IE left and right You can even put multiple transducers on a single channel but you have to make sure the amp can take the load. If you are not sure check on race department or iracing forums there are lots of people using this sort of setup 👍☕. You can use multiple amps and sound cards if you wanted to though.
Need some help. I have purchased the bass and audio pucks off Amazon but did not come with a long audio wire. Which audio cable do I need for this and how do I connect it to my Nobsound mini?. Apologies for my amateur tech knowledge
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They should've called this thing Noobsound, since it's not the right device for powering shakers! You want an amplifier that has power and in Germany it's called 'Endstufe', because Germans have a name for it and this watt-numbers some 'manufacturers' put on their box must be another Watt than the Watts you want. After my first amplifier died very soon from overheating, and this was a big Sony receiver allegedly capable of hundreds of watts output, I bought a Fame Quad 4150 with a weight of 17,5 kg without the box. There are lighter ones in similar XXL-size, but they come with a fan and it's not a silent one. The Fame Quad can power 4x 100 Watt at 4 ohm and nowadays I would pick a Fame MS 5004 that can output 4x 520 Watt, so capable of powering big buttkickers as well💪. If you power one or more of these and put your rig on springs (I would choose valve-springs for that purpose), you can call it a motion-rig😄
Hi James, are you still using this? has the Nobsound burst into flames?
I am thinking of going for X2 Dayton Bass shakers with this Nobamp, the two bass units bolted left and right to the rig (TR160) to get engine vibration and road feel. To possibly transfer through the whole of the rig. Do you think this might do that, all be it possibly quite subtly, or is something more beefy required for that?
@@fingers68 You need proper Buttkickers or similar (100+ Watt) and amplifiers that can power them. Usually I suggest to buy cheaper shakers, but Buttkickers are the better investment. More reliable and relatively silent (from the rattling). Also easy to fix to aluminium profiles.
@@Leynad778 "relatively silent (from the rattling)"
Yes this was another thing on my mind. I imagine cheep ones would be just like cheep speakers. Im wanting a subtle vibration not having the wife throwing slippers at me 2am in the morning due to the what could be a very annoying noise going through the house, possibly street!!
@@fingers68 Than you better buy weaker ones like the Dayton-shakers and put your rig on rubber-feet. The bass-vibrations will penetrate through the floor, walls and ceiling and even vibration dampeners can't fully prevent that with strong shakers. I put my hole rig on acoustic foam and before on springs to prevent that. Wasn't loud for me, but for the neighbors.
I'm really honoured by this presentation (as the simhub author) ! You are totally right, the "butt-feets" rule is the best way to start, "chassis" mode (corner) needs some more heavy hardware to start to be interresting
Often i recommend as a startup a 4 effects combo : slip, road vibration, road rumble and gearshift , but when it comes to entry level transducters, "less is more" and indeed less effects will improve the details, it's a matter of balance and taste :D.
Software is awesome :)
Yah I have 4 of the pucks and have used some other rigs in the past after messing around a ton I found separate to immersion the main thing was the two pucks on the pedals and having them vibrate for front slip as that's the one effect that's often missing from sims ffb and can really help know how much you are pushing and to what extent.
Bum shaker for gear clunk or listening to drum and base music is mostly immersion as you can typically feel rear slip from FFB getting lighter with most sims.
@@GamerMuscleVideos If you were driving a 750+bhp racing car at frightening speeds, surely the predominant vibration that you would feel would be it's thundering v8 engine, non? I once owned a tvr griffith 500 and that was certainly the case even at 30 mph!
Hey Dude
I have been using this software with Project cars 2 and ACC ....Its Awesome and does just what it says ...Great job...
One question though Project cars 2 is the only sim that for some reason has constant vibrating when going down a straight in say the Bently gt3 any track...is this a game issue or something else...All other Sims are sweet...
Can you try it Gamer muscle and tell me if you notice the same thing...must have kerb and grass vibration turned on..
Cheers
@@jamesmccaul2945 you can shape the graph to get that to some extent.
To be honest for it to really help with driving better you need the racing SIM to do the FFB from the wheel with seat of the pants and other aspects built into the wheel ffb.
Shakers are great and add a bit of info and lots of immersion but they don't have the capacity to be anywhere near as detailed as what you get from a ffb wheel which is giving your hands a continued push force as apossed to a vibration of varying degrees.
I just got my own license...great program!
The potential for the rig to burst into flames adds a next level of immersion
😂
Thats the Grosjean addon in the software.
that weed getting you paranoid ?
Why do you say that? Because of the exposed cables? Lol that's how mine are set up
I built a marshal's post next to my rig. My girlfriend isn't happy about it but the male escort doesn't seem to mind since he's getting paid just to wave a couple flags about.
The best advice I’ve had. For 12 months I’ve been constantly trying to get my transducers to feel correct. Turned everything off and just having wheel slip and gear change. Perfect. Thanks mate
Calling this motion is like describing myself as looking like Brad Pitt 😂
Works better in vr, helps feel of motion for sure
I second this motion
He think he means in a way to tell what the car is doing so technically it is adding motion information at least
Adding motion information & vibration IS motion.
@@BoltRM Not really because motion implies something moving not vibrations. So it is giving you information through motion of a rumble motor but not motion as in moving the driver clearly this is what i mean
I’ve done the same with 4 Dayton audio pucks in seat cushion in my race seat. 1 for each corner. Works great.
I had the SRS shake seat and its a nice tidy solution but doing it this way feels much better and gives more information to drive from.
i dont have a full sim rig, so ill just add them to my office chair for some extra entertainment during online classes
You can even record a lap in SimHub and tune your settings afterwards with the replay.
You also could probably just do it with AC some Sims play back the telemetry when you watch replays 👍😅
@@GamerMuscleVideos most helpful note yet!!! thx
Literally the first time I've heard of transducers being referred to as adding "motion" ;)
Yah its a bit of a stretch but at the same time it gives you some of the qualities that you get from motion rigs and certainly some of the immersion.
That my friend is called clickbait 😂
@@GamerMuscleVideos I pay 2200 euros in real motion, don't say motion if it's not
@@GamerMuscleVideos 100% agreed with mr. Muscle. I use 4 small 20w vibration speakers on my rig, wheel, pedals and shifter for engine rumble and my t-gt is adequate for communicating wheel slip and traction loss etc. In vr it really helps to give the impression that the car is moving and improving the immersion greatly to the extent that i couldn't play without it. The thumbnail is a tad misleading though. I thought that the great el capitano had miraculously stumbled upon a new seat mover for 150 quid causing m' greedy old ticker to hammer in my chest. Take it easy tiger for christ's sake!
@@GamerMuscleVideos Clickbait. I thought you were going to show us how to make a 2dof motion using windshield wiper motors.
Shakers are cool , I have a Shakekit (on your recommendation btw as well as a power wind) but I wouldn't call it motion. (Unless you are counting the micro-movement of butt cheeks whilst vibrating, movement)
Good thing about this video is that it proves the Shakekit is 4x too expensive. Wish you posted this video before.
Will this aid with downhill braking into Rivazza? Asking for a friend.
No need a realistic tire model for that.
This is the first time ever I have seen Transducers mounted with plastic Cable ties. :-)
Cheers GM, excellent video. 9/10 teabags, would brew again.
Dude you are THE BOMB! My buddy just bought all the parts for his today (USA) and it came out to $106USD before taxes (he got the 25Watt transducer tho)
So Nob Sound shakes your butt, and your foot? You are gifted.
Im definately buying it because its called the knobsound.
As a sound engineer, I wouldn't be too worried about a fire. You need much more substantial amps that output more than 1000W to run the risk of a fire and that will only happen if you mismatch the impedances by a fair bit. My question is would running a quad channel setup for Front Left, Front Right, Rear Left and Rear Right provide any real benefits over a dual channel setup like yours?
Yep though its super unlikely I just don't want to be blamed for it if the Nobsound blows up on someone , my worry would be more the amps PSU than the speakers and wiring lol when a product is called NOBSOUND its good to expect the worst.
I found that for the most part just front and back is fine I did mess around with more pucks and due to the nature of the vibrations there is only so much you can get from them that's of use for information.
From an immersive stand point if you use them more for track texture / curbs and what have you then 4 channel + 4 shakers on the corners of the rig would be quite nice for me not sure if its worth the hastle like if you are going that far it might be worth saving up for a DIY Dbox type solution which will be much better.
The great thing with this is that for £150 you get 80% of what's possible and a big of what you would get from a 3+k solution.
I have had these componets saved on Amazon for years. Wasn't quite sure how to connect them. THANK YOU! Along with my force feedback headphones this should take gaimg to a whole new level!
you can make your own transducer from a sub speaker, i used a sony home surround sub speaker with a nobsound amp that touches the underside of my fibreglass bucket seat. it works amaizing, best of all the misses and neighbours are none the wiser while my butt gets shaken about.
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actually, the best thing is that the speaker cost £2.50, plus nobsound 20-25 quid, everything else i had laying about or made myself from scrap!
Thanks for the links. Found all of it on Amazon Germany and was able to buy the stuff for just 110€. Looking forward to try it out. Hope it will boost the VR experience as much, as you described.
I am not sure, if it will improve my driving, but my oh my is it a boost in immersion. Thank you again for this video. Great fun to drive, no matter if in pC2, ACC or AMS2.
Which amplifier did you take?
@@tobireindl The nobsound mini
@@BadDanMe Okay thanks then I have to buy it from Ebay, because Amazon is sold out 😅 Holder for 30€, Amplifier for 40 and TT25 for 40€ - so the same 110€ as you paid ;)
Great video GM - when you move upto Transducers, you can never go back - I had a Buttkicker a few years ago, that died, then I realised how much I missed the effect. Replaced it with pretty much what you've used in this video (as I didn't trust Buttkickers reliability - and my replacements were nearly 1/2 the cost). My favourite effects are feeling engine revs, and a good strong thunk for gear shifts. Cheers!
pro tip : turn on "road vibration" for r3e, it solves the total lack of road feel
I have two of these large bass shakers on a thick aluminium plate under my seat, driven by a 100W MOSFET amplifier. It's awesome... and about a third the cost of a Buttkicker, and no doubt much more powerful in terms of moving a larger mass. The kerb and gearchange effects are awesome.
are vibrations too much for apartment use?
@@P3ktoRis if you have neighbours directly below your floor, probably - yes. They might wonder what's going on!
@@combatwombat71 lol, then no i wont use it :D
Hey Bro! Amazing video. I've the same setup but I'm not sure how you wired the two pucks in the pedals. Cause I want to use a single two channel amp. One channel for the two pucks in the pedals and the other channel for the one under my butt. Could you please explain how you hooked wires together? Red with red? And black wit Black? Thanks mate! Greetings from Argentina.
Google how to wire speakers in parallel. And make sure your pucks are 8 ohms or more. I use this setup, and it'll treat the two pucks as the same shaker.
If you have issues, maybe just use one puck and shaker or get a stronger amp.
@@bluex610 thanks mate. Happy racing.
Thanks - I've had 6 of those pucks on my rig over 5 channels for just over a year now, still trying to get the setting right in simhub - always tweaking
i would not personally put these on my pedals. i think from driving in winter vibration comes before locking up and its the most grip you get, when abs kicks in its too late. and you feel vibration generally not with pedals but with the body so i think seat is the way. on pedals you just feel abs. when you start to slide vibration actually drops and it feels pretty smooth :-)
This is not literal to a real car , I mean you could set it up to be more literal if you wanted to its up to the end user.
When using this I don't really perceive it as the pedals giving feed back its more like the front of the simrig vibrating.
I have the woojer vest edge, works on anything with an audio output, Forza horizon 5 yes on console is amazing.
Yeah but for racing Sims you want the feedback coming from the seat to your butt. Maybe you can sit on the vest and put a small cushion. Might be worth a try if you can do that.
Wait I thought Nobsound was what came out of GamerMuscle's mouth when he spoke.
Great video, if I had more than a G29 attached to a wobbly ikea desk, I would try this.
Simhub & Nobsound with 2x reckhorn 200i user here. Best money I have spent for providing enhanced immersion.
PURE NOBSOUND
@@GamerMuscleVideos I went for a big Nob, the 20g version 2x100w.
Do you think under the bucket seat or back on the seat is the best position for a reckhorn 200i?
Matt Lodge me too and the reckhorn is so good, can i ask i have an issue where i use astro mix amp for gaming headset and can not get the bass shakers to work on one audio output and the Astro mix amp for game sound and microphone can you tell me what to do in sound control panel on windows 10? i have to click the sound bar at the bottom and pick the nobsound amp to get the bass shakers to work but then my headset doesn't even though it is set as default device and communication device as that what you need to do with the Astro mix amp, or that the issue i need head set set as default and nobsound as default communication?
Even better Mr GM is a full 3DOF motion rig with these speakers ;-)
Nice video, looking into haptics for the holidays.
How loud is your setup when your car goes into slip, I was also looking at the SimMagic P-HPR and wonder how the pucks compare.
My Nobsound is a wet, slapping noise. Please confirm if this is normal.
Thats from knee sliding to hard
Great video, thanks, came here from "drew build stuff" video, so glad to see creators connecting content without screwing it (like the algorithm XD )
Hello, great setup! Question: for the front channel, did you just split the one channel to the two front pucks? If so, does the Sim Hum see two transducers or one?
oooh, i did this for the Playseat challenge, except I used four Dayton pucks (two behind my bum and two under the front of my thighs) and I found that the results were so good that my wife wanted to vomit after driving the McLaren GT3 just 20 feet in VR.
"we are here 2 mess around with knobs "
How did you wire up the front shakers? It seems both are connected to the same channel, so you actually don't get separate ABS/TC signals... Your setup is just for rear/front slip, right?
I did something similar. I put 1 dayton on each corner I used simhub to control the tactiles, I used a 4 channel amp with 2 input. The amp connects to my pc 2 output channels. The rear is connected to bass output and the front is connected to the audio output. It feels so nice and the emergition is so awesome.
Very interesting, been wanting to do something like this with the Buttkicker for a while but the only thing that had put me off is the price being over £200. This is a cheaper and better solution as it not only gives the effect in the seat but also the pedals if you wire them in.
Fantastic video mate 👍🏻
are you running a parrallel wiring for the TT25 pucks, are your ones the TT25-16s or TT25-8s?
I never knew simhub could do all that,thank you very much!
Really great video, GM!
i got 8 pucks (4 pedals 4 seats) in stereo on my simrig and that's badass ! you can tell left curbs from right, i could never play without them again, feels so dull lol
You've got me curious. 4 on the pedals? How did you arrange your 8 pucks?
@@jgagnier 8 16ohm pucks running in parallel stereo on a 4 ohm amp, 4 on the pedals stand (2 left 2 right), 4 under the seat (same left/right) :)
Faithful and true The Word of God
Which amp or amps do you use and which transducers if you don't mind explaining?
I want to do as you with a feeling of left and right. Any advice would be greatly appreciated 🙏
@@Simlife101 a Thomann The t.amp E-800 running eight 16ohm pucks in parallel (4 left 4 right). each side got 2 behind the pedals and 2 under the seat.
Also i'm on ps5, also i don't run SimHub, basicaly just the sound of the game going thru an equalizer/low pass filter Behringer FBQ800 Minifbq.
it's a very simple & cheap setup but it works pretty well. If you can go with bigger bass shaker it should be even better.
@@777kingofkings777 tutorial please
This is the MOST overlooked upgrade to a sim rig!
Good Video GM! Appreciate it. I bought two of those buttkickers and use the SIMHUB too on my 3DOF DIY Rig. Great!! DMAX
hiya pal, question: what ohmage do i need on the tranducers please? 8ohm or 16ohm?
? 8ohm or 16ohm?
8 as it looks like the amp is only 4-8 ahm
Good vid.
You can add a second wheel-slip effect then use 'Separate Output Channel Settings'; you'll be prompted to name it, so something like 'rear' or whatever.
Under Sound Output you'll now see 2 Slip effects options, one called 'Rear' and your original one. You can bind 'Rear' to your seat xducer and original to your pedal xducers; now you can set different frequencies and volumes for front/rear slip.
Yep that's what I did :)
@@GamerMuscleVideos Ha! Great minds think alike, or is it fools seldom differ?
Am pre-coffee so apologies if I missed that in the vid :D
5:09 where did you get that zip up cable guide ...???
can i ask why there is just one red wire going into one of the channels where is the black ground ?
have just bought your exact setup, any set up tips in simhub for dirt rally?
Good video, thank you. I use a pillow between my back and the seat (for comfort). Would I still be able to feel the "subwoofer"? Thank you.
Yah , my eyeballs will vibrate with this setup 🤣. I turn the bum base right down and use the pedals more.
@@GamerMuscleVideos Great, thank you. Cheers from Slovakia
How did you wire 4 tranduscers from only 2 outputs off the Nobsound mini ??
the two Dayton pucks are wired in Parallel off the single channel so they both are doing the same thing.
You would need a 4 channel sound card + amp if you wanted 1 transducer for each wheel , to be honest I found just having pucks on pedals and the base shaker on the seat worked really well and I don't really think 4 channel + 4 pucks is really needed.
@@GamerMuscleVideos yeah i currently have two Reckhorn transducers on a two channel amp and its plenty. One on the pedal deck and one under the seat. Might need to steal that cable tie idea tho ! 😉
@@nevillerichards9330 do you think it would be better mount it in the back? I’m about to mount my reckhorn basshaker but don’t know where to put it.
15:54 So true for me. I couldn't care less about racing but tinkering around on my rig is the thing i love the most about simracing 😊
Does this work if I decided to not have the pedal pucks?
So strange and cool watching this classic in 2024, largely because I’m still split between old and new. New Simagics on the pedals but an old Buttkicker 2 on the frame. Cheers!
I just wrote a whole set of steps for how I used rubber isolators and a sheet of aluminium plate between my seat and my rig to massively improve this as a solution. But YT ate it all 😞
Let us know if you're interested and I'll write it up again.
Great video! About to order it all but the tactile transducer is sold out but what ohms do I need 4,8, or 16?
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Whats the difference or which is better between 8ohm vs 16ohm with the tactile pucks?
I race mostly dirt cars, and Midgets and Sprints to be exact. I have a very similar setup on my rig for wheel slip. It really does make a difference, especially as the track dries out and gets slick.
Made it as you said and it’s great. I only have a Logitech G920 and it’s not perfect but the potential is fantastic. Hope to update the gear soon and I now know how good it will feel when I can attach it better
amazing video... very cool and super clear- thanks!
Which one should I get? Amazon has options for 8 or 16 ohms
Probably too late, but in case you were wondering I was trying to answer the same question and apparently it really depends on your amplifier. There may be some advantages to having 16 ohms, but this specific amp is better off powering 8 ohms. So unless you want to change the amp, I'd say go for 8.
Thanks GM & the guy who makes SimHub brilliant addition.
Just wanted to say I tried the Nobsound and could have burnt the house down. Not sure what happened but it suddenly went extremely hot, lucky I was close by to realise what was happening and unplugged it before it burst into flames
I’ve bought a used Sony AV receiver off eBay, which I’m hoping will be safer
Will this kit work with F1 2021? Thanks
Hows it holding up ? im going to try this on my NLR rig sod it .
@gamermusclevideos did you get 16 or 8 ohm pucks?
Click bait 😭
Only a bit ! its really good for £150 or even £100 if you just put pedal pucks on
@@GamerMuscleVideos I know. I use Dayton Audio BST and sim vibe. I agree with the content of your video.
Still click bait though. I thought U were gonna help me make cheap motion.
Maybe do a video on the DIY motion rig with the Mige motors turned to actuators.
It's nice to see these being brought to peoples attention. There are slightly better hardware options available for a similar budget. I'm currently running various different shakers through 8 seperate channels. Plenty of good advice on a large Race Department thread for those that are serious about it.
Do you think the nobsound amp can drive two bass shakers? Your setup has one shaker (which is bigger and requires more power I guess) and a few smaller transducers, but would two bigger shakers work?
I would assume so, as it outputs the same power on both channels?
It will drive them , don't know how long it will run for before burning out or having issues. These small amps will probably use quite cheap components that may work fine or may not lol. If you 100% want a sure fire thing that works check on forums for people that have kit that they have used for a while. this project was mostly me just messing around and having some fun to see what I could do for cheap.
@@GamerMuscleVideos thanks man! No 100% guarantees needed at all, a “will probably work” is good enough, especially for the price!
This was an awesome video, always fun to get some ideas for immersion and just pure fun, on the cheap! I hope for more of that in the future :)
How did you arrange to get your two front shakers pucks into the Nobsound? Basically, merging the two reds in 1 and mergin the two blacks in 1? My electrics suck, is that dangerous in any way?
Do I need to buy speaker wire and banana plugs separate, or are they included?
Do you still use this simple setup ?
Thanks for Sharing!! Actual DOF setup is still priced stupid.
are vibrations too much for apartment use?
Probably 😅
@@GamerMuscleVideos ah well, i guess pedals wouldnt be annoying or also? :D
anybody know how he managed to mount 3 transducers to a soundcard that only has 4 channels? I thought you needed 2 channels per transducer. Do the pucks only require 1 channel each or something?
Hey GM. are those Dayton pucks not a bit suspect? From reading online, the suggestion is that they fail regularly.
Really cool.
The dayton tt25 that you have chosen, are they in 16 ohms?
Great video! I think I want to do something similar but I'm new to all of it and I don't get how you got the 2 puck shakers connected to one channel on the nobsound? and if you could control each one separately?
The pucks have positive and negative Wires each. He has the two pucks (4 Wires) wired into a dual wire at the pedals end (keeping positives both together, and negatives both together ), then that dual wire correctly wired into the l & r of one channel on the nobsound.
He gets exactly the same feedback on both pedals as its one dual wire.
The seat transducer is wired to the other nobsound channel and is controlled seperately in simhub
It’s all about the motion. Well I was pretty much ready so thanks.. you pushed me off the edge of the pool. Just ordered. We’ll see how it goes
You have such a good sim frame as is you could have done actual motion for that price with just an arduino a couple of driver modules and few old 12 volt motors
„and noone would know that bums have been shaken in this seat“ 😂
I just use my LG surround sound system and place the speakers around my rig - the bass woofer is under my seat and feels great.
What a legend. Thanks for posting up your setup and how you configured it! I've been waiting and hounding and you delivered! I have been thinking over how exactly I want to mount a front transducer. I've only got the Clubsport V3 pedals but they're mounted upside down so I'm thinking that direct pedal mounting will work out without the weight overpowering the throttle spring.
Might not be a good idea putting them on the CSV3 pedals but maybe you could just use a single large shaker on the tray , you should ask around with other people that have used them with V3's
@@GamerMuscleVideos Thanks for the input. Maybe I need to go with a single larger transducer mounted as you say. I can't feel the little rumble motors on them much as it is so need something stronger.
I've got those pucks mounted the same as GM on CSP V3's. The throttle is slightly slower to lift when you take your foot off but not really a problem. You could always put the heavier spring in too (I haven't bothered).
@@dave81983 Thanks for the info! I have the heavier spring installed so it might work out but I also inverted the pedals. I've been going back and forth on mounting to the pedals versus mounting under my foot plate.
I've been running simvibe for a few years now in my CART/ IndyCar tub and now I'm terrified of catching fire after watching this 😄😂
So now more immersive rig fire suppression system incoming!
I kept checking that everything was cool and to be honest its all very low voltage normally speakers are unlikely to be a fire issue unless the power brick is faulty.
I just don't want people to blindly follow this video and then blame me if they catch on fire .
@@GamerMuscleVideos The problem is chinese dac. These can for sure overheat and start smoking etc. Especially with amps. Need to keep an eye on it
@@GamerMuscleVideos I run 2 mini LFE's and 2 Dayton pucks off of 2 2 channel 150w amps. Ran 45 mins with things turned up more than normal and all transducers were cool to the touch.
I will definitely keep a closer eye on things though, stupidly I've not really considered these things much of a risk. Thanks for opening my eyes a bit with this video though!
Will this make you feel the curbs? Or is it just tyre slips you can feel?
You can have it so you can feel curbs , engine , suspension compression tones of things.
But I found it's best to just have it do slip as that's something usfull for driving.
If you wanted it for immersion then suspension engine and track vibrations would be good.
Great video! I like the idea of these little pucks and the little nob box.
I’ve already got a couple of buttkickers, with 2 external amps. I use that for left / right slip. I was thinking of another 2 but couldn’t justify the outlay.
However a £150 outlay is do-able for me - do you think these will all play nicely together in SimHub as separate sources?
Yah SIM hub does not care , I was messing around with using another amp + the nob sound before I made this video all.worked fine.
In the end I found 2 channels was fine to get most immersion whalst keeping things cheap and simple.
@@GamerMuscleVideos great, thanks! I’ll go for it and try not to set my rig on fire 😀
If you set this up for one, say ACC, could you use that same profile through all other sims, like AC+CM and iRacing?
For the most part yah.
Some sims trigger slip more or less than others but generally you can just use a single profile.
Anybody got any ideas how to attach one of the pucks to the CSL pedals? There are no holes like the example in the video, can't quite figure out a solution...
how does this compare to the buttkicker gamer 2?
Could you put these on the clutch to give it the clutch a bitting point?
Maybe but it would be pointless , only time you really need to feel a clutch bite point is in a road car when coasting , reversing or doing other super slow stuff.
Maybe worth it for euro truck sim but I don't know if simhub works with that.
Race starts , you are better using bite points / launch controll methods or just controling gas on slower cars.
does it matter which one's I get, the link provided isn't working for me. I see an 8ohm and an 16ohm, also the Bass comes in at 25w and 35w. Nob for life!
How does this compare to the SRS Shake Kit? Can you use these together?
Its the same thing basically but the base shaker feels more natural on seat , and having pucks on pedals instead of bum makes it more obvouse for front and rear slip :)
GM can I run this and my srs shake it seat at the same time thro simhub for ultimate bum/feet action?
Hi, can something be done for using this stuff for the PS5?
You would only get vibrations basses of the sound with a ps5.
On pc you use software which generates special sound signals basses off what's going on in the game , rather than them just working as vibrating seekers from the games sound.
@@GamerMuscleVideos I guess if it's not going to give me a positive feedback then I should save myself the money and time?
thank you for this video, just set mine up but getting all the sound coming through transducers, have messed around with all window settings etc but cant work out how to get the vibrations and sound through headset any tips? im running automobilista2
Muscle! Great vid. One question: do you know the impedance of that amp? Cant find the specs on amazon...
Which power supply should I buy for that nobsound amp please?
It has its own power supply , cable
@@GamerMuscleVideos oh right. Mine doesn't...
Can I ask can this be with ps4 ,PS5 and xbox
No only pc
Hi, #
Do you need a seperate amp for each transducer, your help would be gratefully appreciated
No , one channel for each transducer. Like how each speaker on a hifi is on a channel. IE left and right
You can even put multiple transducers on a single channel but you have to make sure the amp can take the load.
If you are not sure check on race department or iracing forums there are lots of people using this sort of setup 👍☕.
You can use multiple amps and sound cards if you wanted to though.
Need some help. I have purchased the bass and audio pucks off Amazon but did not come with a long audio wire. Which audio cable do I need for this and how do I connect it to my Nobsound mini?. Apologies for my amateur tech knowledge
I used this , been good for two weeks so far 😂
www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00EKKARC2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_S7ZRXSV5Z8SM29Z908JD?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Cheers mate