Brother Dave the one sentence written in a 2000 year old book that’s been translated throughout hundreds of languages and changed numerous times? The book that says love your neighbor? The one that says even Jesus washed the feet of sinners? Is being something that god made him a sin? It seems god set him up for failure then. A loving god would create someone gay just to hat him for it. That’s gods word?
Bless You, Jake. I Can't Even Imagine The Torment And Hardship You've Had To Endure All These Years. I know Coming Out To Your Family Wasn't Easy. But Your A Brave Soul For Doing So. In Regards To Your Father. Give It Some Time. You Never Know What May Happen In The Future. All You Can Do Is Try And Love Him As Best You Can. And Hope For The Best In Return.
People like his father annoy the crap out of me, because they say that they are "good Christians" but then decided's it's okay to disowned there son for being who he really is and happy,
You didn't let your dad down, he let you down - such is the propaganda we face. Be strong and never doubt yourself. Only you can lead your life, no one can lead it for you. I'm a father and grandfather and guess what? I'm gay so life goes on and if people want to devote themselves to some fictitious deity, some man in the sky at the expense of their flesh-and-blood, that is their loss. My kids, my family and my friends all accepted me as the person as have always been. So what, my grandkids have a gay grandpa? Love is love, is the best message I can offer and you, young man, will find the love you deserve and shame on your dad for turning his back on you.
As so many have said on here, you are not the disappointment, your father and his side of the family are the greater disappointment! Hope things are good for you x
Five years since this video was uploaded. I am sorry for how your family treated you. You did NOT fail them; they failed you. I am gay and a grandfather of three. I would NEVER reject one of my grandchildren or treat them the way you were treated. There is a world of people out there who will love and support you and I hope you have found them.
A father who needs to get a clue and read and believe the word of God. This father is missing his calling in life to be the father to this young man. Malachi 4:6 tells the exact thing God wants to see happen. I feel for this young man.
Jake, as I watched this video a verse came to me. I would like to share it with you: "Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you." Deuteronomy 31:6.
My parents told me I had to leave after they found out...the moment I said I was gay they looked at me like I was a complete stranger! When I left I felt hurt, betrayed, and angry. I survived. I have a partner and We r doing just fine. I wish u all the happiness in the world. U deserve it! As for my parents we kind of talk but I don't think I will ever get over the resentment I feel for them.
being born gay is the same as being born left handed. religion is the great evil on earth. The fact that they could treat you this way shows how valueless his brand of religion really is. No religion is the true religion. My religion is kindness - the concept seems to have escaped modern churches who spew all hate and vitriol these days usually for cash. Be proud of yourself and the courage it took to take the first step. There's nothing wrong with you. For the religious though - there's a lot wrong - just where to start. Stand proud and be proud.
My brother is a (now retired) Baptist minister. The Baptists have really changed their theological perspective dramatically. Before 1980, Baptists believed in the priesthood of all believers, and that each individual was empowered to go to scripture and interpret it for themselves. Then came the conservative purge of Baptist seminaries and any non-conservative theologians, and the imposition of Baptist approved theology. Now Baptists largely believe they correctly interpret scripture and correctly understand the nature and desires of God to the exclusion of all others. I'm sad to say that either your dad will need to abandon this theology or he will always consider you outside the will of God. As we look at the history of religious people, we can see that they have never understood God or God's perfect will, and I think it's sad to see yet another religious community claim high ground and absolute truth. Jesus chose to forgive and free the adulterous woman; the Pharisees chose to stone her and test Jesus. Jesus chose to dialogue with the Samaritan (hated by Jews) woman at the well (and she became a great evangelist); the Pharisees would never even have spoken to her. Jesus laid hands on leapers and healed them; the Pharisees would walk on the other side of the street. Please don't give up on Jesus; just give up on your dad accepting you as a gay man. Interesting though - Jesus did speak against divorce, so perhaps your father has some soul searching to do.
I have four daughters and every one of them has come out to me as straight. So what? Love your kids for who they are. Otherwise you're not much of a parent. Not that this is the ministers fault, he is as much a victim of his indoctrination!
Oh Charles, as a gay dad I understand your trauma. My kids came out as straight and I'm afraid that I'll face the same stigma with my grandkids but what can I say but be brave and accept them for who they are.
That's beautiful, I hope your friend's family does come around one day soon. My parents/family are also southern baptists, it really sucks knowing how they feel about being LGBTQ. :,(
Very courageous, articulate, you kept your story moving. You and your story is something I am going through. Sometimes I have thought of ending it all but I know its the wrong thing to do. Thanks for laying the truth out there and I hope things are better. Much love and the best of wishes.
Life has to be lived, it won't always be with the blessings of those we think love us. True love is unconditional, and it does not penalize those who feel or think differently
My ex-wife told my parents I was gay and this was in the 80's so it was difficult for awhile. When my mother passed my father and I had a good conversation and he said he loved me anyway. I just wish I could have heard those words from my mom.
No need to rush it. Make sure you're comfortable and ready. It's a big step- be prepared, you may lose some current friends but you'll gain new ones. Wishing you all the best
God bless you, you beautiful and perfect man. Please don't let what your family/the church has done hinder you from your loving perfect God. He loves you unconditionally and you have a place in his home. Period. You don't have to do anything or try to be anything else. He is yours. And you are his. I am gay and recently 'came back' to God. I feel His amazing Spirit in my daily life. The bible says zero about loving/committed gay relationships/marriage. Be free in his love my friend
Tola Khin, I hope you're doing okay. I'm sorry I didn't see this comment years ago when it was left, but Jake is doing better now. He and his dad are constantly trying to heal, but then hurtful things are said again, then they try to heal and move forward again, so on and so forth. Jake does not need his father to be happy, though. He is now dating a wonderful man that makes him very happy! He has friends and family who love him and are genuinely happy for him at every turn of life. How has your life been since leaving this comment 5 years ago? How did things go with your parents and coming out?
It's just heartbreaking to hear that you believe that because youre gay you disappoint you're family .....It's not a choice of being gay. The same as being straight. I didn't choose to be straight ...I am. I hope that you're life is now better and that you know now that being gay is no disappointment. Its just who you are...
All gay Christians should be aware that there are religious groups out there that support gay rights: The Unitarian Universalist Church The Metropolitan Community Church The Episcopal Church The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America The United Church of Christ and The United Church of Canada
+ Patrick MC Yes, you are right. The Presbyterian Church (USA) voted back in 2015 to allow its pastors to officiate over church weddings for gay couples. It, also, has gay clergy. No Methodist church has voted to support gay marriages at a central level yet, but there are individual congregations that are very accepting of gays as congregants.
The Christian Church-Disciples of Christ are also known to be LGBTQ-friendly, especially so the Mission Gathering congregations, of which there are now 5.
@makeitezr93 If your family gets pissed, and they seriously think orientation a choice, ask them if they remember when they chose to be straight. GOOD LUCK!
This video does show that it may be a good idea for some people to wait until they are financially secure and out on their own totally before coming out as gay. It is important to be safe. It is good that his has worked out pretty well at the end, but for some, this could have been disaster. They might not have been able to ever finish college. I am placing this on on my "Coming Out As Gay" RUclips Playlist to give those in a similar situation some things on which to think.
You didn't let ANYONE down. Your family's closed minds let them down. After all, if they were true Christians they would remember that forgiveness is supposed to be a big part of their religion. What a bunch of hypocrites!
Heartbreaking to hear you say; " my father is a Baptist preacher and that's why it is so difficult... I really think because of youre upbringing and he being a preacher you both forget something very important.... His first reponsibility is BEING A FATHER... No matter what ... It is not you who let him and the family down !!! It is him, youre father and his family who let YOU down... I hope that it is going better with you because youre voice was So sad. You just could hear the pain.....
Peace be upon you, as a normal person who has no prejudices, you necessarily to listen to me, I just want to say that:- If you got anybody in your life that ever speak to you ''how did it come to this'' in the wrong ways, you know what I mean. This is what you tell them, you just look at straight into their eyes and you says: 1. Either we're good person or we're the type of a person who put a barriers, why should there need to be a barriers to loves between one another. 2. Nobody should ever feel belittled for whoever they love. 3. I believe that God will please, and embraces with ours' kind and loving spirits. 4. Whenever you come close to God, He will never judge you based on your sexual orientation, He will judges and look at you, by what kind of a person you are. 5. And in God's eyes kindness and love are what it’s all about.
My father is also a Baptist minister and I know how you feel, I now have a boyfriend who I love very much, it does get better, just remember be who God created and wanted you to be, take care.
I must have missed the part of the Gospel where Jesus said to disown your family member if they happen to be gay. I do remember where Jesus said, "With what measure you judge others, YOU shall be judged." The message there is very clear. Your father missed it.
Bethany -- I'll trust that in past 8 years you've found positive resolutions to the troubles. I'm sure you learned that the argument of "being happy" will never convince the fundamentalist argument, and I hope you've learned that we no longer use the word "admit" (as if being gay is a crime), and replace it with "assert". And most fervently, I hope sticking to the truth of yourself has been richly rewarded.
Hang on, and be strong. You're better off without haters in your life. If anything, be glad that you're not living a life where you're constantly trying to please hypocrites. I've seen this sort of situation many times. Believe me, you're better off. For one thing, you're being true to yourself, and if others can't accept you for what and who you are, then it is their loss. I'm sure there are tough times and you might be hurting at times, but remember that there are people who do care.
It is a real shame that your father isn't aware that Jesus gave mankind only one commandment......that we Love one another. And, in Matthew 25:40 Jesus said: "That which you do to the least among you, you do also to me." So many of my Gay friends came from ultra-religious families who disowned them. Some of them let Love renew their relationship. Others....oh well, maybe in the next lifetime. May Love guide you in all of your relationships and provide you the perfect Loving partner!
Your parents need to realize that this isn't a choice, it is who you are. You have done nothing wrong. You did not let anyone down, nor disappoint them. THEY have the problem, not you. With my mother, once she realized that she was not to blame for my sexuality, all became MUCH better. Maybe it will be the same for you. Be strong. Above all, be you. Love and hugs.
You did not disappoint you dad. Whatever issues he has are his issues and not your. Be the best you, you can be. Jesus tell us there are two things we are to do. Love God and treat your neighbors how you want to be treated. God made you and he doesn't make mistakes.
Your father lives in his own righteousness based what he has ascertained from his reading of Holy Scripture. He, based on his self-righteousness, has played God with you and violated Jesus’ word in Matthew 7:1. Your father is NOT your true judge. Christ is if you believe in Him which I’m sure you must having grown up in the Baptist religion.
Don't ever wait for the day for your father to come around. Emancipate yourself from him for good. Create your own environment. Be a leader and example for others to follow. The best thing that can happen is for the world to see how much more successful you can be than your bigoted dad.
Scripture teaches the only unforgivable sin is Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which I define as the intentional and purposeful action of preventing those our Father draws to Himself, from having access to Him. It is actions, not the person, which separates men from God. And how do we know that we, who call upon the name of God, is not in large part to blame for the condition of the world and our children. If it is because of our collective disobedience, who are we to blame anyone!
Why do young Gay people feel this deep need and feel obligated to telling there parents that there Gay if they are so? Do streight people do the same?? its only a sexual preference.....It doesnt shange who you are as a person. And this young mans Father a Babtist Minister with cut off deer heads hanging in his home (Thou Shall Not Kill)
It wouldn't be necessary if people would accept them without them having to tell them. That's why its necessary. People for some odd reason feel they can't be around certain people because of their excuses (religion, raised, culture, community). Gay people save them the trouble and just say it out loud. Heterosexuals are discriminative (most).
@Tommy Sims. I wonder if you have thought through what you have written. There are lies of commission and lies of omission. To pretend that you are interested in girls is the former. To allow a silence to continue about your true feelings is a lie of omission. When a relative visits and says with a nudge, "Well, I guess you'll be finding a nice little girl soon", and you reply "Yeah, maybe when I find the right one", is a lie of commission. If you are seeing a guy on the side and your parents notice a gleam in your eye and they ask if you're dating a nice girl, what type of lie will you tell? Every day you have to decide "What type of lie will I use today if a comment is made?" There is a price to be paid when you continually lie, because if you don't stop it you know that you may be lying for the rest of your life. You are always on guard. If you start dating a guy there is the constant dread that some telltale clue may be dropped, that someone might see you and spread gossip. Would you then lie AGAIN? Obviously you are straight, Tommy. As it is presumed you are straight you don't need to say anything until you tell your folks you're dating a nice girl. Or would you keep THAT a secret? I'm sure that you're not without empathy. Just try to imagine the furtiveness and fear that your course of action would engender. Many gay people now say "I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I'm not". Can you not see the sense in that?
It is incredibly stressful, depressing and corrosive to live a duplicitous life. The damage it does to one's psyche is profound especially for people who hold themselves to a high moral ground. That is why... It release tension and pain and suffering. Unfortunately, when one has a parent they suspect would disown them I wish they could wait till they are truly dependent but that is a journey everyone must make on their own.
Straight people don't need to "come out." The world assumes everyone is straight. Gay people don't have that option if they want to be honest with themselves.
To Jake's parents: God created Jake. God created EVERYTHING about Jake. God gave Jake to you and your job was to PROTECT Jake from everything that might hurt him to the point of throwing yourself in front of a bullet for him. I say this as a parent. I would give my life for my child at any point of our lives. I was entrusted by God to protect the gift of a child with every might of my being. You have spit on the gift God gave you and God will talk to you about your rejection of His gift to you when you get to the Pearly Gates. God has BIGGER things to worry about than to worry about who gets naked with who. The aversion to Gayness is manmade. Gayness is NOT in God's Ten Commandments - have you ever asked yourself why? But Adultery IS in God's Ten Commandments. Why don't you start working on throwing all the adulterers out of your church and after you finish that, then you can work on Gayness if you still wish. Otherwise, you come off as a huge hypocrite.
Wow. Hopefully one day your dad will be truly Born Again and become a real Christian and not just a religious bigot. His heart has not truly been changed. For any dad to disown his son is horrible. He is not Christlike at all. Pray for him and don't let up.
I know how you feel i grew up in a sb church and my family was less than thrilled when i came out lucky for me i have an amazing partner who has been my rock through the whole ordeal and really helped me through it
Thank you for sharing, I just want to say one thing. Your father let you down. You didn't do anything wrong nor did you let your family down. If you have given birth to your parents (which is impossible) would you hold them to some standard? No, you just love them for who they are. Well your parents (father) can't hold you to accountable for something you can't control. Shame on him for wasting priceless memories. Plus if he knew God (which there is none IMO) he would know that God loves all. Isn't what their bible teaches them? Shame.
The Episcopal Church supports and loves you As does God, God doesn't make mistakes I dearly hope you father sees the opportunity to break free of the sickness of NOT being like Christ. With best wishes, David +
Yes you are correct, God loves him as well as all mankind, but He hates sin. God calls us to leave the carnal nature of sin and seek holiness. Homosexuality is no different a sin than being born with a temper, for example, what ever sins we have, we must deal with it through the grace of God. The bible is clear on all sin, eternal punishment to all who do not repent and turn from their wickedness. We have no right to tell God what sin is not.
@@martythornton604 screw off. God also says to leave the judging part to HIM. And no, the bible is not clear about a lot of things really. The bible even talks about putting a wife through an abortion if she's suspected to have cheated. So how about you concern yourself with the "love thy neighbor" part that we all know is supposed to be at the top of Christian's priority list and leave the rest to the big guy. Thanks.
your like really cute just saying and i kno how you feel i am waiting to go away to tell the rest of my family so far only my mom knows in my family and shes getting there
WHY IS IT THAT GAY PEOPLE ARE ON THE RADAR , WHEN SOME OF THE PEOPLE PREACHING NON GAY NO GAYS IN CHURCH ARE THE ONE DOWN LOWING MORE THEN ANY GAY PERSON IN CHURCH! WITHOUT REMINDEING THE CHURCH THAT ANY SEX SIN OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE IS SIN! BUT GOD SAID IF YOU BELIEVE ,TURN , REPENT, CONFESION, STOP SINNING WITH THE HELP OF THE HOLY ONE AND HOLY SPRIT, BUT PLEASE DONT FORGET TO REMIND THEM GOD DONT LIKE SIN! BUT HE LIVES SINNERS AND MARRIED TO THE BACKSLIDER! JUST STOP BREAKING DOWN PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY DAMAGED GOODS! THAT BELONG TO GOD! STOP! LOVE THEM WNOEVER THEY ARE BACK TO LOVE WHO IS GOD! AGAPE
Dude, you did NOT let your family down, they let you down. You are the same person they "loved" when they thought you were straight so you haven't changed, you just chose to be honest with them. If someone can't accept you for who you are, it is their loss, live YOUR life and do what makes you happy, we only get one go around. I thought that fairytale book taught love and tolerance not bigotry and hate......my mistake.
You are mistaken. You did not disappoint your father.... your father was the disappointment. You are in the right, he is not.
You didn't let anyone down. You lifted yourself up. God bless you.
when your dad stands in front of his maker he will answer for the way he treated you
No he won't because His dad stood on his markers word
Brother Dave the one sentence written in a 2000 year old book that’s been translated throughout hundreds of languages and changed numerous times? The book that says love your neighbor? The one that says even Jesus washed the feet of sinners? Is being something that god made him a sin? It seems god set him up for failure then. A loving god would create someone gay just to hat him for it. That’s gods word?
Bless You, Jake. I Can't Even Imagine The Torment And Hardship You've Had To Endure All These Years. I know Coming Out To Your Family Wasn't Easy. But Your A Brave Soul For Doing So. In Regards To Your Father. Give It Some Time. You Never Know What May Happen In The Future. All You Can Do Is Try And Love Him As Best You Can. And Hope For The Best In Return.
"Be who you are, do what you feel. Those who matter won't care, those who care don't matter."---Dr. Seuss
People like his father annoy the crap out of me, because they say that they are "good Christians" but then decided's it's okay to disowned there son for being who he really is and happy,
My father is also a Baptist Preacher and I am also gay so I feel for you.
I'm so Sorry, YOU are Perfect Just the WAY YOU ARE. It took me until I was 30 to COME OUT. YOU are a Brave and Wonderful Man. Mark R. Urick
You didn't let your dad down, he let you down - such is the propaganda we face.
Be strong and never doubt yourself. Only you can lead your life, no one can lead it for you.
I'm a father and grandfather and guess what? I'm gay so life goes on and if people want to devote themselves to some fictitious deity, some man in the sky at the expense of their flesh-and-blood, that is their loss.
My kids, my family and my friends all accepted me as the person as have always been. So what, my grandkids have a gay grandpa? Love is love, is the best message I can offer and you, young man, will find the love you deserve and shame on your dad for turning his back on you.
I'm sorry his family disowned him. I hope they come around someday.
As so many have said on here, you are not the disappointment, your father and his side of the family are the greater disappointment! Hope things are good for you x
Five years since this video was uploaded. I am sorry for how your family treated you. You did NOT fail them; they failed you. I am gay and a grandfather of three. I would NEVER reject one of my grandchildren or treat them the way you were treated. There is a world of people out there who will love and support you and I hope you have found them.
YOU ARE LOVED
STAY POSITIVE
IT WILL GET BETTER
BE & STAY HAPPY
A father who needs to get a clue and read and believe the word of God. This father is missing his calling in life to be the father to this young man. Malachi 4:6 tells the exact thing God wants to see happen. I feel for this young man.
Jake, as I watched this video a verse came to me. I would like to share it with you:
"Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you." Deuteronomy 31:6.
My parents told me I had to leave after they found out...the moment I said I was gay they looked at me like I was a complete stranger! When I left I felt hurt, betrayed, and angry. I survived. I have a partner and We r doing just fine. I wish u all the happiness in the world. U deserve it! As for my parents we kind of talk but I don't think I will ever get over the resentment I feel for them.
paul30 did you really hate your parents so much
paul30 did you really hate your parents
big online hug to you your brother sounds like a great guy .
being born gay is the same as being born left handed. religion is the great evil on earth. The fact that they could treat you this way shows how valueless his brand of religion really is. No religion is the true religion. My religion is kindness - the concept seems to have escaped modern churches who spew all hate and vitriol these days usually for cash. Be proud of yourself and the courage it took to take the first step. There's nothing wrong with you. For the religious though - there's a lot wrong - just where to start. Stand proud and be proud.
My brother is a (now retired) Baptist minister. The Baptists have really changed their theological perspective dramatically. Before 1980, Baptists believed in the priesthood of all believers, and that each individual was empowered to go to scripture and interpret it for themselves. Then came the conservative purge of Baptist seminaries and any non-conservative theologians, and the imposition of Baptist approved theology. Now Baptists largely believe they correctly interpret scripture and correctly understand the nature and desires of God to the exclusion of all others. I'm sad to say that either your dad will need to abandon this theology or he will always consider you outside the will of God. As we look at the history of religious people, we can see that they have never understood God or God's perfect will, and I think it's sad to see yet another religious community claim high ground and absolute truth. Jesus chose to forgive and free the adulterous woman; the Pharisees chose to stone her and test Jesus. Jesus chose to dialogue with the Samaritan (hated by Jews) woman at the well (and she became a great evangelist); the Pharisees would never even have spoken to her. Jesus laid hands on leapers and healed them; the Pharisees would walk on the other side of the street. Please don't give up on Jesus; just give up on your dad accepting you as a gay man. Interesting though - Jesus did speak against divorce, so perhaps your father has some soul searching to do.
I have four daughters and every one of them has come out to me as straight. So what? Love your kids for who they are. Otherwise you're not much of a parent. Not that this is the ministers fault, he is as much a victim of his indoctrination!
Oh Charles, as a gay dad I understand your trauma. My kids came out as straight and I'm afraid that I'll face the same stigma with my grandkids but what can I say but be brave and accept them for who they are.
That's beautiful, I hope your friend's family does come around one day soon. My parents/family are also southern baptists, it really sucks knowing how they feel about being LGBTQ. :,(
Well done Jake- Stay strong and true. Have a great life!
Very courageous, articulate, you kept your story moving. You and your story is something I am going through. Sometimes I have thought of ending it all but I know its the wrong thing to do. Thanks for laying the truth out there and I hope things are better. Much love and the best of wishes.
There's an update of sorts in the description box and it doesn't look like things are going great
You are perfect! Question the creation and they question the Creator. Stay strong. Del Shores
Thanks for sharing, Bethany. It's been 8 years. How is your friend doing now?
Life has to be lived, it won't always be with the blessings of those we think love us. True love is unconditional, and it does not penalize those who feel or think differently
You never let anyone down....
Heartwarming story...keep the faith
I just need to say :hugs: i feel your pain and epic kudos for having the guts to tell them. You are amazingly strong for doing that
My ex-wife told my parents I was gay and this was in the 80's so it was difficult for awhile. When my mother passed my father and I had a good conversation and he said he loved me anyway. I just wish I could have heard those words from my mom.
Awesome story I'm struggling also with coming out
Omg i just want to give you a BIG hug! -3
Stay strong :)
No need to rush it. Make sure you're comfortable and ready. It's a big step- be prepared, you may lose some current friends but you'll gain new ones. Wishing you all the best
God bless you, you beautiful and perfect man. Please don't let what your family/the church has done hinder you from your loving perfect God. He loves you unconditionally and you have a place in his home. Period. You don't have to do anything or try to be anything else. He is yours. And you are his. I am gay and recently 'came back' to God. I feel His amazing Spirit in my daily life. The bible says zero about loving/committed gay relationships/marriage. Be free in his love my friend
So is he okay now? I am not out yet, and that what I am afraid of when I tell my parents. I afraid that they will stop loving me.
Tola Khin, I hope you're doing okay. I'm sorry I didn't see this comment years ago when it was left, but Jake is doing better now. He and his dad are constantly trying to heal, but then hurtful things are said again, then they try to heal and move forward again, so on and so forth. Jake does not need his father to be happy, though. He is now dating a wonderful man that makes him very happy! He has friends and family who love him and are genuinely happy for him at every turn of life.
How has your life been since leaving this comment 5 years ago?
How did things go with your parents and coming out?
It's just heartbreaking to hear that you believe that because youre gay you disappoint you're family .....It's not a choice of being gay. The same as being straight. I didn't choose to be straight ...I am. I hope that you're life is now better and that you know now that being gay is no disappointment. Its just who you are...
As Mama RuPaul once said, sometimes as gay people we to choose our families!
Give us an update please!
All gay Christians should be aware that there are religious groups out there that support gay rights:
The Unitarian Universalist Church
The Metropolitan Community Church
The Episcopal Church
The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
The United Church of Christ
and
The United Church of Canada
Many Methodist and Presbyterian churches too.
+ Patrick MC
Yes, you are right. The Presbyterian Church (USA) voted back in 2015 to allow its pastors to officiate over church weddings for gay couples. It, also, has gay clergy. No Methodist church has voted to support gay marriages at a central level yet, but there are individual congregations that are very accepting of gays as congregants.
The Christian Church-Disciples of Christ are also known to be LGBTQ-friendly, especially so the Mission Gathering congregations, of which there are now 5.
"Christian" and "Gay" is incompatible
@makeitezr93
If your family gets pissed, and they seriously think orientation a choice, ask them if they remember when they chose to be straight. GOOD LUCK!
This video does show that it may be a good idea for some people to wait until they are financially secure and out on their own totally before coming out as gay. It is important to be safe. It is good that his has worked out pretty well at the end, but for some, this could have been disaster. They might not have been able to ever finish college. I am placing this on on my "Coming Out As Gay" RUclips Playlist to give those in a similar situation some things on which to think.
Love. Stay strong. Wish you the best.
You didn't let ANYONE down. Your family's closed minds let them down. After all, if they were true Christians they would remember that forgiveness is supposed to be a big part of their religion. What a bunch of hypocrites!
Let your friend know.... He IS NOT a Disappointment! His father and fathers family should be a shamed of letting him feel like that.
Heartbreaking to hear you say; " my father is a Baptist preacher and that's why it is so difficult... I really think because of youre upbringing and he being a preacher you both forget something very important.... His first reponsibility is BEING A FATHER... No matter what ...
It is not you who let him and the family down !!! It is him, youre father and his family who let YOU down...
I hope that it is going better with you because youre voice was So sad. You just could hear the pain.....
Peace be upon you, as a normal person who has no prejudices, you necessarily to listen to me, I just want to say that:-
If you got anybody in your life that ever speak to you ''how did it come to this'' in the wrong ways, you know what I mean. This is what you tell them, you just look at straight into their eyes and you says:
1. Either we're good person or we're the type of a person who put a barriers, why should there need to be a barriers to loves between one another.
2. Nobody should ever feel belittled for whoever they love.
3. I believe that God will please, and embraces with ours' kind and loving spirits.
4. Whenever you come close to God, He will never judge you based on your sexual orientation, He will judges and look at you, by what kind of a person you are.
5. And in God's eyes kindness and love are what it’s all about.
My dad is a baptist preacher as well, believe me I have been there, I am gay.
My father is also a Baptist minister and I know how you feel, I now have a boyfriend who I love very much, it does get better, just remember be who God created and wanted you to be, take care.
I must have missed the part of the Gospel where Jesus said to disown your family member if they happen to be gay. I do remember where Jesus said, "With what measure you judge others, YOU shall be judged." The message there is very clear. Your father missed it.
Bethany -- I'll trust that in past 8 years you've found positive resolutions to the troubles. I'm sure you learned that the argument of "being happy" will never convince the fundamentalist argument, and I hope you've learned that we no longer use the word "admit" (as if being gay is a crime), and replace it with "assert". And most fervently, I hope sticking to the truth of yourself has been richly rewarded.
Hang on, and be strong. You're better off without haters in your life. If anything, be glad that you're not living a life where you're constantly trying to please hypocrites. I've seen this sort of situation many times. Believe me, you're better off. For one thing, you're being true to yourself, and if others can't accept you for what and who you are, then it is their loss. I'm sure there are tough times and you might be hurting at times, but remember that there are people who do care.
It is a real shame that your father isn't aware that Jesus gave mankind only one commandment......that we Love one another. And, in Matthew 25:40 Jesus said: "That which you do to the least among you, you do also to me." So many of my Gay friends came from ultra-religious families who disowned them. Some of them let Love renew their relationship. Others....oh well, maybe in the next lifetime. May Love guide you in all of your relationships and provide you the perfect Loving partner!
Your parents need to realize that this isn't a choice, it is who you are. You have done nothing wrong. You did not let anyone down, nor disappoint them. THEY have the problem, not you. With my mother, once she realized that she was not to blame for my sexuality, all became MUCH better. Maybe it will be the same for you. Be strong. Above all, be you. Love and hugs.
You did not fail your father, he failed you in every important way. Learn from his failure and treat your children with respect and love.
You did not disappoint you dad. Whatever issues he has are his issues and not your. Be the best you, you can be. Jesus tell us there are two things we are to do. Love God and treat your neighbors how you want to be treated. God made you and he doesn't make mistakes.
A terrible father
good father!
Your father lives in his own righteousness based what he has ascertained from his reading of Holy Scripture. He, based on his self-righteousness, has played God with you and violated Jesus’ word in Matthew 7:1. Your father is NOT your true judge. Christ is if you believe in Him which I’m sure you must having grown up in the Baptist religion.
It is part of a secret code
Religion destroys relationships :( that's why I am spiritual and not religious.
your lost is what you are
How does he disown you?! And take away your money and stuff!! That is the polar opposite of what Jesus preached.
I know exactly where u r coming from...family is what u make of it...create your own family of friends and forget the rest!
Awesome!
Don't ever wait for the day for your father to come around. Emancipate yourself from him for good. Create your own environment. Be a leader and example for others to follow. The best thing that can happen is for the world to see how much more successful you can be than your bigoted dad.
The world is messed up. Hold on. It gets better.
Scripture teaches the only unforgivable sin is Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which I define as the intentional and purposeful action of preventing those our Father draws to Himself, from having access to Him. It is actions, not the person, which separates men from God. And how do we know that we, who call upon the name of God, is not in large part to blame for the condition of the world and our children. If it is because of our collective disobedience, who are we to blame anyone!
You are a gift from god!
I cried
Why do young Gay people feel this deep need and feel obligated to telling there parents that there Gay if they are so? Do streight people do the same?? its only a sexual preference.....It doesnt shange who you are as a person.
And this young mans Father a Babtist Minister with cut off deer heads hanging in his home (Thou Shall Not Kill)
It wouldn't be necessary if people would accept them without them having to tell them. That's why its necessary. People for some odd reason feel they can't be around certain people because of their excuses (religion, raised, culture, community). Gay people save them the trouble and just say it out loud. Heterosexuals are discriminative (most).
@Tommy Sims. I wonder if you have thought through what you have written. There are lies of commission and lies of omission. To pretend that you are interested in girls is the former. To allow a silence to continue about your true feelings is a lie of omission. When a relative visits and says with a nudge, "Well, I guess you'll be finding a nice little girl soon", and you reply "Yeah, maybe when I find the right one", is a lie of commission. If you are seeing a guy on the side and your parents notice a gleam in your eye and they ask if you're dating a nice girl, what type of lie will you tell? Every day you have to decide "What type of lie will I use today if a comment is made?" There is a price to be paid when you continually lie, because if you don't stop it you know that you may be lying for the rest of your life. You are always on guard. If you start dating a guy there is the constant dread that some telltale clue may be dropped, that someone might see you and spread gossip. Would you then lie AGAIN? Obviously you are straight, Tommy. As it is presumed you are straight you don't need to say anything until you tell your folks you're dating a nice girl. Or would you keep THAT a secret? I'm sure that you're not without empathy. Just try to imagine the furtiveness and fear that your course of action would engender. Many gay people now say "I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I'm not". Can you not see the sense in that?
It is incredibly stressful, depressing and corrosive to live a duplicitous life. The damage it does to one's psyche is profound especially for people who hold themselves to a high moral ground. That is why... It release tension and pain and suffering. Unfortunately, when one has a parent they suspect would disown them I wish they could wait till they are truly dependent but that is a journey everyone must make on their own.
Straight people don't need to "come out." The world assumes everyone is straight. Gay people don't have that option if they want to be honest with themselves.
To Jake's parents:
God created Jake. God created EVERYTHING about Jake. God gave Jake to you and your job was to PROTECT Jake from everything that might hurt him to the point of throwing yourself in front of a bullet for him. I say this as a parent. I would give my life for my child at any point of our lives. I was entrusted by God to protect the gift of a child with every might of my being. You have spit on the gift God gave you and God will talk to you about your rejection of His gift to you when you get to the Pearly Gates. God has BIGGER things to worry about than to worry about who gets naked with who. The aversion to Gayness is manmade. Gayness is NOT in God's Ten Commandments - have you ever asked yourself why? But Adultery IS in God's Ten Commandments. Why don't you start working on throwing all the adulterers out of your church and after you finish that, then you can work on Gayness if you still wish. Otherwise, you come off as a huge hypocrite.
Wow. Hopefully one day your dad will be truly Born Again and become a real Christian and not just a religious bigot. His heart has not truly been changed. For any dad to disown his son is horrible. He is not Christlike at all. Pray for him and don't let up.
I know how you feel i grew up in a sb church and my family was less than thrilled when i came out lucky for me i have an amazing partner who has been my rock through the whole ordeal and really helped me through it
Thank you for sharing, I just want to say one thing. Your father let you down. You didn't do anything wrong nor did you let your family down. If you have given birth to your parents (which is impossible) would you hold them to some standard? No, you just love them for who they are. Well your parents (father) can't hold you to accountable for something you can't control. Shame on him for wasting priceless memories. Plus if he knew God (which there is none IMO) he would know that God loves all. Isn't what their bible teaches them? Shame.
The Episcopal Church supports and loves you
As does God, God doesn't make mistakes
I dearly hope you father sees the opportunity to break free of the sickness of NOT being like Christ.
With best wishes, David +
Yes you are correct, God loves him as well as all mankind, but He hates sin. God calls us to leave the carnal nature of sin and seek holiness. Homosexuality is no different a sin than being born with a temper, for example, what ever sins we have, we must deal with it through the grace of God. The bible is clear on all sin, eternal punishment to all who do not repent and turn from their wickedness. We have no right to tell God what sin is not.
@@martythornton604 screw off. God also says to leave the judging part to HIM. And no, the bible is not clear about a lot of things really. The bible even talks about putting a wife through an abortion if she's suspected to have cheated. So how about you concern yourself with the "love thy neighbor" part that we all know is supposed to be at the top of Christian's priority list and leave the rest to the big guy. Thanks.
your like really cute just saying and i kno how you feel i am waiting to go away to tell the rest of my family so far only my mom knows in my family and shes getting there
WHY IS IT THAT GAY PEOPLE ARE ON THE RADAR , WHEN SOME OF THE PEOPLE PREACHING NON GAY NO GAYS IN CHURCH ARE THE ONE DOWN LOWING MORE THEN ANY GAY PERSON IN CHURCH! WITHOUT REMINDEING THE CHURCH THAT ANY SEX SIN OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE IS SIN! BUT GOD SAID IF YOU BELIEVE ,TURN , REPENT, CONFESION, STOP SINNING WITH THE HELP OF THE HOLY ONE AND HOLY SPRIT, BUT PLEASE DONT FORGET TO REMIND THEM GOD DONT LIKE SIN! BUT HE LIVES SINNERS AND MARRIED TO THE BACKSLIDER! JUST STOP BREAKING DOWN PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY DAMAGED GOODS! THAT BELONG TO GOD! STOP! LOVE THEM WNOEVER THEY ARE BACK TO LOVE WHO IS GOD! AGAPE
CRY!!!!!!
How did they take away your money etc ? If they don't want you the to hell with them
Dude, you did NOT let your family down, they let you down. You are the same person they "loved" when they thought you were straight so you haven't changed, you just chose to be honest with them. If someone can't accept you for who you are, it is their loss, live YOUR life and do what makes you happy, we only get one go around. I thought that fairytale book taught love and tolerance not bigotry and hate......my mistake.