One played with a top 3 NFL pick his whole career. The other played with a guy that will be in the UFL or CFL in a few years and stroud for a single year which isn’t much.
I think that MHJ is the better prospect, but isn't it disrespectful to not but Odunze in the conversation considering many believe that he is better than Nabers? I've seen most people say that MHJ is 1, and Nabers is 2, bur thinking that Odunze is better than Nabers is more common than thinking that Nabers is better than MHJ.
@@andrewrichter2231 Many analysts that prioritize physical traits have Nabers over Marv, leaving Odunze third. Analysts that prioritize refinement have Marv over Odunze. He's not looked at in that light because neither camp sees him as potentially WR1.
To me he is like the WR equivalent of Patrick Surtain II. Both really good athletes, good size and extremely technically sound. Very much a ultra low floor can't miss type of prospect.
*_If you think about it, Marvin Harrison Jr. vs Malik Nabers represents a battle of two great NFL wide receiver factories between Ohio State and LSU._*
@@JR-eg8irLSU has Brian Thomas Jr. in this class as well. It's close but I think the edge has to go to LSU rn, cause of Chase and Jefferson. The OSU guys are studs, but I'm not taking them over those guys from the boot.
@@zackhurwitz9441As a Buckeye fan I can’t argue that. Jettas and Chase def at the top but we coming this season baby Arod wit Garrett gonna show what Garrett really capable of !! 🔥🔥 Hopefully Harrison hits the ground running, Olave leveled up last season hopefully he does it again and maybe Garrett can finally get some good-great qb play and show what he can really do looking forward to watching all these boys from both WRU’s tear the league up 🔥🔥
I think if Nabers had a better release from the line, he would be the overall better receiver.. Harrison has really really really good footwork and release technique. Prob trained well from his father.
If you think about what Alex said in this video and watch the plays, there is a reason Nabers has so many more YAC yds. Alex said that: 1) LSU ran a basic offense where Nabers mostly did stop and go routes. 2) Opposing defenses stopped pressing Nabers. This is why he was wide open on those stop routes and had so much room to run after the catch. You can get open on stop routes all day when the defender is 8-12 yds from you at the snap. Marv is pressed on every play in this video, and he doesn't run a single stop route, and there are a few plays here where he is wide open with room to run and the QB doesn't find him or misses his throw. There are 2 plays in this video that Nabers is pressed and he does stop routes in both with no YAC.
@@Yes-ml4bw you are putting words in my mouth. Watch the tape and have some idea about defensive coverages before making offtopic, passive aggressive insults.
@@garybyoosey3163 you must have read your comment and decided your best chance at saving face was to deflect. What's funny in your own words, you try to put down Nabers but admit that Harrison can't get separation... Lol. Like I said, you are clueless...
He's still way better than McCord thats for damn sure. McCord doesn't even see wide open WRs often and has the arm strength of a high schooler. Marv didn't have YAC as much bc McCord CONSTANTLY underthrew him, for example, the MSU throw, or the deep ball from the back end zone. Both were underthrown so egregiously that Marv had to locate the ball and take the fall. If they were thrown in stride they're easy runaway TDs. Marv would have ate if Stroud returned another year
Just for clarification, which WR did you want to see go to AZ? With Nabers, you said you'd like to see a team use him similarly to AJ Brown in Tennessee (over the middle), but said Kyler doesnt target the middle. I love Nabers, but a bigger target on the outside like MHJ feels like a perfect fit for Kyler's skillset.
I completely agree. I love what I saw from Kyler under Petzing. I think MHJ is what that offense is missing more so than Nabers though.@@davidgough8599
Alex is wrong on Murray. Kyler targeted the middle the 2nd most of ANY QB in the NFL Last year, only reason he didn’t with Kliff is his offense didn’t use the middle a lot. McBride did all his damage with 81recs/881YDs across the middle, Murray can definitely see the middle of the field.
Huh Harrison is always doubled i watch my Ohio state Buckeyes faithfully he is clear 1 pick because he is 100% nfl ready and he averaged 140 yards plus every game past 2 seasons that why you hear ESPN and NFL analyst say Marvin is the best player in the draft. His route running is elite when you got a DB press and safety in the back and still ate on every game.
Harrison all day...he's a solid #1 who can get those clutch catches, run every route to perfection and just be consistent...Nabors is more of a gimmick type to me, certain down and play type WR..Harrison better technique and just solid WR. Nabors you can get creative but I don't see him taking over a game week in week out whereas Nabors will have peak moments but just not #1
Haha I’m torn, I’m a student at OSU but a giants fan from NY. Either way I think both of these guys will DOMINATE and will both be top WRs at some point
@@AB-nv7bzhow many receivers you know consistently do that. Jamarr, Tyreek sure but you don’t see that nearly as much as the receivers who do what Marv does well. At the end of the day that’s what a prospect is a projection.
No he is that untouchable. Ppl are enamored with the YAC and Speed Nabers has ands that’s good but Marc has speed and elite technique that trumps all that. Nabers is an elite prospect too WR prospect Marv is a level above that. He’s literally a bullet proof pick for whoever picks him he we will come in and already be ahead of what all the nfl coaches are telling him because he’s been doing those exact things his whole life and that’s the difference between and raw elite athletic wr in Nabers and MHJ
@@smercxz he might be in todays perception, but in a few years I think we’ll see that the gap was a lot closer than people think. What Malik can do after the catch more than makes up any difference imo. The missed tackles speaks for itself. MHJ- 6 Malik- 36 I think those are the numbers but I maybe off a few.
@@NyquillaGorillaKilla Possibly could. But in terms of prospects if I’m a gm and Marv and Nabers are on the board I’m taking Marv because ik barring injury it’s a guaranteed hit. With that said I love all these guys man Nabers, Odunze, Brian Thomas Jr. And plenty more I think all have the ability to make ppl look back in the future and talk about how deep this wr class really.
@@amcasanave Yes he’s bullet proof. And no he didn’t hurt his teammates😂😂😂 He did a prod for CJ who tf was coming out this year from Ohio St. you don’t even know what your talking about you heard that before about someone else and thought it applied here lol cmon bro
It really depends on what your asking them to do. Marvin looks like he projects to be on the ball (X). While Malik looks like he’ll thrive at the Z and could get favorable matchups in the slot. They’re too different styles of receiver, all depends on what your team needs
Hey Alex! I only recently started watching your videos, but they are stellar. I love football more because of your channel. Not sure there is higher praise than that. Thank you for all you do!!
Uhh Murray targeted the middle of the field the 2nd most of ANY QB IN THE NFL last year via PFF, the only reason he didn’t with Kliff is because the middle of the field isn’t a big part of his NFL. Maybe check the facts before parroting weak talking points next time. Murray doesn’t have a problem seeing the middle of the field.
@ uhhhh no it hasn’t. Murray’s is 4th in QBR 72.4 this season, 9th in QB Passer rating, 5th in QB CMP% 68.4% and 9th in QB Passer Rating 98.9. And his Elite PFF Grade of 80.9 ranks 7th and will only climb the rankings even further with how easy the remaining schedule is. And oh yea Murray Has QB”d his team to a 1st place ranking despite having the least talented roster in the division around him…..And Murray has had zero problem seeing the middle or the field as a whole, Trey McBride is thee best young TE in the NFL ranking 3rd among TEs via PFF Elite 84.9 grade (Elite 88.1 receiving grade ranks 2nd in NFL) and has 61receptions for 685YDs doing ALL OF HIS DAMAGE as a Receiver OVER THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD ilmao, Murray is one of the most efficient passers in the NFL this year and has been in the mvp conversation all year long even it’s unlikely he wins it he’s a shoe in for Comeback player of the year
We can just stop at the releases honestly. Knowing how to separate is the most important trait for me in scouting WRs. Seen too many "explosive" "burners" "physical" WRs get to the NFL and just become average athletes.
@@bc_qbevalno he didn’t. If you watch tape where he’s actually matched up on press he striggled. Most of his plays that game where against the safety and linebacker.
Turned it off at "Malik is raw". Sorry brother but if you're going to fake it until you make it, at least avoid the obvious pitfalls. MALIK NABERS is one of the more refined receivers in this class (alongside Odunze and Harrison).
Marv is skill paired with size, has arguably the best hands and route running ability in the class (only person in the discussion on that is Ladd) and he’s already filled out his frame. Malik is an incredible talent but Marv is the definition of the term generational
Nice video & good analysis. Thanks for your work on this Alex. Both have an onus of pedigree hanging over them. Now I’m a diehard NY Giants fan & thrilled that Malik Nabers is wearing Giants blue. I was actually torn between Nabers & Rome Odunze where my preference changed a few times. It’s a basically just that - preference as you can’t basically lose in choosing any of the three. Back to onus. Marvin Harrison Jr was literally made to be a professional football player & wide receiver. He has the onus, specter & burden of having to live up to his pedigree & will forever be compared to his legendary father. Will it be a burden or blessing? If Wan’Dale & Hyatt can take next level leaps, then we should have one of the best WR groups in the league. Nabers has to live up to the LSU receiver hype train. Odell. Ja’Marr Chase. Etc It’s certainly no where near Harrison Jr’s pressure though. I’m sure they’ll be fine. The Giants needed a taller receiver but even though Nabers isn’t one of the taller receivers at 6’ we had to pick him because a #1 WR was our biggest need. He’s freaking explosive. When you watch his tape you can just see he plays at another speed & has that extra gear. Our receiving corps has a core of Nabers, Darius Slayton, Wan’Dale Robinson & Jalin Hyatt. That is a talented & impressive group. They’re all different & present as a balanced & deep group who have diverse skill sets. This is a group that could be very dangerous & productive. Nabers was one of the best prospects in the draft. Slayton is Mr Steady. Wan’Dale took a big leap after a rookie year in which he flashed but got hirt for the year around midway through. Jalin Hyatt showed off his world class speed & proved he isn’t a one-trick pony & is more polished than just a speed demon. But what a class of receivers. The 2024 receiver class will certainly go down in history. Two little asides. Of course the freaking Chiefs had to draft 40 year combine record smasher Xavier 4:21 Worthy😨🫤 FSU stud receiver Keon Colemen’s first presser went viral due to his charming personality & comedic charisma. The 6’4” 216lb Keon Coleman fell to the first pick in Round 2 due to his “slow” 4:61 combine 40 time despite strong production & excellent tape. This kid is precocious, super likable & has his head screwed on correctly. I think he’s going to be a good one. He could have a DK Metcalf type of trajectory. I’m pulling for the kid🙂👍 Can’t wait for the season now!😁
Truly elite WR's don't disappear in a third of their games against inferior competition... MHJr vs. Minnesota: 3 catches for 30 yards MHJr vs. Rutgers: 4 catches for 25 yards MHJr vs. Notre Dame: 3 catches for 32 yards MHJr vs. Indiana: 2 catches for 18 yards
Harrison was double up a large majority of the year because Egbuka had to get tightrope surgery and Fleming couldn't win 1 on 1. Plus McCord was horrible, you could see it in some of the clips shown.
Okay but he had 100+ yard against Georgia, Michigan, Penn state, etc. So who cares how he played against teams like IU, he’s shown he can dominate against 1st round defensive backs
@@Ellis_Hugh so just because his stats Arnt good means he didn’t show up?? I’m the Minnesota game he got pulled by the second half, vs Rutgers he had 2 td’s, vs Notre dame he didn’t do as well but he still had some clutch catches to win the game, and the IU game was McCords first game. I was at the IU game and marv was open 90% of the time, McCord missed him in most of the throws. Stats don’t tell the whole story, watch the games
As a Chargers fan w/ the 5th pick, I'd be shocked if MHJ drops to us but, if he does, we take him. I'd rather try to trade down for more picks than drafting Nabers at 5.
every year theres always hip around some dude late in the scouting process because everyone gets bored. Marv is the best. Marv can do everything Nabers does and he does more things better.
Great video its so funny I made a list of NFL comps for some of the top draft prospects and for Nabers I literally had skinny AJ Brown. Glad I was on to something there! For the record I had Harrison as bigger CeeDee Lamb.
Things I noticed Harrison: takes a back step on some of his releases and looks likes he takes plays off. But uses leverage wisely Neighbors: Has potential with his size but at the same time elite speed and reminds me of JJ but doesn't come back to routes
I’m new to the ins and outs of football especially in contrast to how much I know about basketball but Marvin Harrison using D-Line techniques to beat press coverage at the LOS is so cool. It probably is something other receivers do as well but I have never paid attention to how these elite receivers win beyond using their measurable and athleticism.
Great video well done. Nabers is twitchy to me and that is good while Harrison Jr. is Technical to me which is also good. Depends on what traits the teams want but all in all can't go wrong with either. Nabers though has that elite level twitch and elite speed that you can't teach so he's the one for me.
He obviously doesn’t watch film much because if he watched any of Murray’s game last year he would know Murray targets the middle a ton. KM targeted the middle the 2nd most of any QB in the NFL Last year via PFF. McBride had 81 receptions/881 YDs all of his damage done over the middle. Kingsburys offense didn’t use the middle much so Kyler didn’t use the middle much, this new west coast offense does and Murray was one of the most efficient QBs in the NFL targeting the middle last year between 10-20YDs in the intermediate area between the numbers.
Adonai is leagues better than Franklin lol. Size, route running, traits, etc..Troy is likely a 2nd round pick that will be only a deep threat. He’s also very small & not a WR1 or WR2
Emeke Egbuka might not be on the level of Brian Thomas Jr. but also could have easily been a first round selection had he declared. Nabers also had a Heisman winner throwing him the ball versus what Marvin Harrison Jr had.
but take into account that LSU is in the SEC, for me personally, this seperates MHJ and Nabers, MHJ is the more 'complete WR' but either option is great from the NFL teams@@Unknown-ox1yq
Scary part with MHJ is he could easily still add 5-10 lbs of muscle allowing him to be more physical at the point of attack. He's a matchup nightmare. If the Cards pass on him I'll be furious
No bro he can’t. It’s doesn’t work like that. Ya maybe 5-10 over the 5-8 years. He needs speed fat or muscle makes you slower. Also no one is gaining 5-10 points of lean mass after already training for a decade.
@@AB-nv7bz With all due respect, men don't hit their physical prime until around 26. So yes, it may take him a few years to get there but it's not completely out of the realm of possibility for him to add more muscle to his frame. Also keep in mind NFL strength and conditioning programs are among the best in the world.
@@markd7762 you’re not understanding how much 5-10lbs of lean mass actually is for someone who has trained as long as he has. Building muscle isn’t some magic. Nfl programs are typically geared toward injury prevention and recover, not adding strength and mass. 5-10 more pounds means a reduction in speed and quickness. It’s kind of unheard of for a top player at a skill position to gain more weight in their career. If anything they lose weight to keep speed. I’m not saying he can’t do it, but it will make him a worse football player.
That isn't true at all! If you look up Prospect profiles and grades that they've given on prospects Harrison would barely be in the top 10 in the last 5 years. Time will tell but every year there's a rare generational Talent if you haven't noticed. Bichon was last year priest was the year before that but it just goes on and on and on.
I believe Malik Nabers is going to take the NFL by storm. Daboll will use him all over the offense and get super creative to give him an abundance of opportunities. Nabers plays like an And1 basketball player - free style and acrobatic. What stood out to me was his speed!! He can take a 5 yd catch to 50 yards down the field with one broken tackle. Reminds me of a lot of Ja'Marr Chase. He can also adjust his body mid-air to the football - rare acrobatic ability! He is the best WR in this 2024 class!
That's crazy, when I really started looking at Nabers, I had the same AJB comparison.. with him being smaller it's like you take the bully ball out of AJ but because he's smaller he's noticably more explosive.
That wouldn’t be AJ then with the bully ball lol. I see a stronger OBJ in his game that RAC ability he has is ELITE but he’s more physical then OBJ while being just as explosive
@@smercxz Yeah that's a pretty good comp. Odell was a little more nuanced of a route runner coming out and Nabers isn't as special at the catch point.. but really who is lol I would say Nabers has another gear that Odell never had, which sounds ridiculous, but he is so damn explosive.
@@daniekogivens5042 ooo how about this one bro I saw someone comp him to AB and I can see that one too if he gets better at the point of attack like you said. He def does have a similar build to AB I’d say
I'll be picking one of these guys for my fantasy rookie draft. Everyone says Harrison is the best, but when I watch them it seem like Marv doesn't create much separation. With Nabers it seems like there isn't anyone within 5 yards of him when he catches it. And he torches defenders and is way better after the catch than Marv. Let me know what you guys think. Who should I pick? I need help!
Pay attention to how they are defended in this video. It's completely different. In the NFL, Nabers probably won't have the advantage of having no one within 10 yds of him when the ball is snapped.
Harrison is the type of guy who in a couple years will be thought of as a superstar who racks up redzone tds, he’s too technically talented and motivated on improving technique like a pro to be anything less with that body.
I could just imagine Justin Herbert's deep ball skills with Malik Nabers' blazing speed. OTOH... would it not be fun if a team had both MHJ and Brenden Rice as receivers. Two ball catchers who are the sons of two of the elite wide receivers of all time.
As a Chargers fan who just watch Keenan Allen traded away to clear cap space, which was the right move btw, I love the fact they're sitting in the #5 spot and will likely get a crack at one of these two receivers. They went with Quentin Johnston last year over Zay Flowers, who was the safer pick, hoping Johnston's rawness could be coached up to his projected high ceiling. It hasn't happened yet so to me, if they get the choice, Harrison is the better pick. But, if he's gone and Nabers is there, you take him, for sure.
@@Lsufan-20 you’re drunk my boy 😂 can’t be better then someone who sees the field and is available to play all the time and produces like crazy just doesn’t work that way vs someone who’s injury prone and production does come but it’s in spurts. Like I said give me someone who’s gonna last an entire career and once they lose a step can still win because they don’t rely on athleticism alone to be elite.
Nabers is electric with the ball in his hands, reminds me of Odell that way when he first entered the league, I think Harrison Jr is the better all around WR and is more NFL ready. Nabers needs some polish and I wouldn't be surprised if his ceiling is higher than Marvin Harrison's after a few seasons in the league. If Nabers can work on his releases that'll go a long long way.
@@judahdeitrich2482 for the record, I think MHJ is the better overall player. But I think he’ll get taken before pick 5, leaving Nabers as the obvious choice for the Chargers. Odunze is not better than Nabers tho, imo
Do you think the KC Chiefs are going to give him 10+ yds of off-press coverage like he's getting in almost every play in this video? He's going to get eaten up by good defenses initially. He's got plenty of learning to do.
this need for a number receiver started when stefon diggs went to buffalo and proved he was a number 1 and josh allen taking that leap. it was those two that changed the landscape of the league and every gm and coach saw it
@@MrEmmanuelmack I agree but it was josh and Stefon that started this trend in the nfl and the eagles and dolphins followed suit. They merely confirmed like that a QB needs a number one weapon. Like right after josh and Stefon it was jamar and Joe
i need to know what team alex roots for, because it feels like hes trying to get marvin to fall to his team.....sorry bro, if marvin is at 4, i guarantee hes going to be a cardinal
@@gavins.5409 there shouldnt even be a debate over NFL royalty, and a quote "raw guy". ones a guaranteed starter WR1 right outta the gates. and the other has a "potentially" higher ceiling if everything works out. rollins was also trying to make a case for nabers by showing film of kyler with kliff, the cardinals dont even run that type of offense anymore.
Nabers is the lab mixed of Chase and JJettas. he just needs precisive QB and times to fix his body action. MHJ is considered WR1 because he is a skill perfection.
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Give me your elevator pitch on whether you think Nabers or Harrison Jr. is the WR1.
One played with a top 3 NFL pick his whole career. The other played with a guy that will be in the UFL or CFL in a few years and stroud for a single year which isn’t much.
If Marv can be a true X and play the "DeAndre Hopkins role", why gamble on a receiver with a marginally higher ceiling and so much more to prove?
I think that MHJ is the better prospect, but isn't it disrespectful to not but Odunze in the conversation considering many believe that he is better than Nabers? I've seen most people say that MHJ is 1, and Nabers is 2, bur thinking that Odunze is better than Nabers is more common than thinking that Nabers is better than MHJ.
@@andrewrichter2231 Many analysts that prioritize physical traits have Nabers over Marv, leaving Odunze third. Analysts that prioritize refinement have Marv over Odunze. He's not looked at in that light because neither camp sees him as potentially WR1.
I lean Harrison because I'm a fan of OSU. However, I'm not sure you could go wrong with either.
Pointing out how MHJ uses his hands similar to a pass rusher was excellently done!
To me he is like the WR equivalent of Patrick Surtain II. Both really good athletes, good size and extremely technically sound. Very much a ultra low floor can't miss type of prospect.
Been watching ball for 50 years. Never made that correlation
*_If you think about it, Marvin Harrison Jr. vs Malik Nabers represents a battle of two great NFL wide receiver factories between Ohio State and LSU._*
That’s exactly what I was thinking. Whoever turns out better will be WR U for now
@@JR-eg8irLSU has Brian Thomas Jr. in this class as well. It's close but I think the edge has to go to LSU rn, cause of Chase and Jefferson. The OSU guys are studs, but I'm not taking them over those guys from the boot.
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@@zackhurwitz9441As a Buckeye fan I can’t argue that. Jettas and Chase def at the top but we coming this season baby Arod wit Garrett gonna show what Garrett really capable of !! 🔥🔥 Hopefully Harrison hits the ground running, Olave leveled up last season hopefully he does it again and maybe Garrett can finally get some good-great qb play and show what he can really do looking forward to watching all these boys from both WRU’s tear the league up 🔥🔥
@@zackhurwitz9441 Buckeyes could've had Emeka Egbuka in this draft class but he decided to stay for another year, potential 1st-2nd round talent
I think if Nabers had a better release from the line, he would be the overall better receiver.. Harrison has really really really good footwork and release technique. Prob trained well from his father.
nfl will work w him on that
Nabers played top defenses. End of discussion.
@@gemicah9264 he sure did!
@@gemicah9264big ten defenses are better
@@gemicah9264I know you did not just say the SEC has better defenses than the Big 10 😂
They both want Herbert as their QB 1,000+yds 10TD season! Rookie of the year for sure!
MHJ won’t be there when the chargers are on the clock. Nabers will be there.
MHJ said he'd like to play on the Cardinals
@@deecee2174 He would be stupid to say otherwise. #4 vs #5 is an extra $3M in your rookie contract
Too bad all signs point to Jim Harbaugh and Greg Roman teaming up to run tf outta the ball
@@Nikillemyou think them getting rid of all of their receivers points to them getting o-line or something? Lmao
the quality of these videos has gotten so much better recently, appreciate the consistency too
Both are absolute studs!!
MHJ is like a faster DHop, and Nabers is basically Chase 2.0.
Can't go wrong with either.
Rome Odunze is better than all of them according to Randy Moss.
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faster Dhop sounds Overpowered and well Jamarr Chase is Jamarr Chase so OP as well
Excellent analysis - a good insight in to what issues they will face in the NFL and how important what sort of offence you get drafted to.
If you think about what Alex said in this video and watch the plays, there is a reason Nabers has so many more YAC yds. Alex said that: 1) LSU ran a basic offense where Nabers mostly did stop and go routes. 2) Opposing defenses stopped pressing Nabers. This is why he was wide open on those stop routes and had so much room to run after the catch. You can get open on stop routes all day when the defender is 8-12 yds from you at the snap. Marv is pressed on every play in this video, and he doesn't run a single stop route, and there are a few plays here where he is wide open with room to run and the QB doesn't find him or misses his throw. There are 2 plays in this video that Nabers is pressed and he does stop routes in both with no YAC.
I guess Nabers being significantly faster, shifter, and making defenders miss had zero to do with it , huh?
@@Yes-ml4bw you are putting words in my mouth. Watch the tape and have some idea about defensive coverages before making offtopic, passive aggressive insults.
@@garybyoosey3163 or maybe you can just read your post and realize how clueless you sound...
@@Yes-ml4bw At least you stopped being passive aggressive.
@@garybyoosey3163 you must have read your comment and decided your best chance at saving face was to deflect.
What's funny in your own words, you try to put down Nabers but admit that Harrison can't get separation...
Lol. Like I said, you are clueless...
My goodness your vid’s take a diff level round this time. Can’t wait for this season. Great vid
The Madame Web joke lol great video
7:10 this is exactly what I’m talking about with Jayden Daniel’s he always throws the hitch late. Look how long Malik is waiting for that ball.
He's still way better than McCord thats for damn sure. McCord doesn't even see wide open WRs often and has the arm strength of a high schooler. Marv didn't have YAC as much bc McCord CONSTANTLY underthrew him, for example, the MSU throw, or the deep ball from the back end zone. Both were underthrown so egregiously that Marv had to locate the ball and take the fall. If they were thrown in stride they're easy runaway TDs. Marv would have ate if Stroud returned another year
Love your videos. As always, very well done!
Alex you just made me hungry with the breakfast, lunch, dinner, and dessert analogies!
_(Speaking of which, I wonder what the snack would be…🤔)
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Chargers traded Keenan so I have to do research on these college receivers I’m sad
MHJr. I’d like a bigger Keenan/Davante, but we’re definitely not getting him, i hope we get nabers
Same reason I'm here
Chargers is where I want Odunze to go I wanna see him play with Herbert
And chargers got none of the 3, joke of a franchise.
8:15 "create more separation than Madame Webb and 'good'" 🤣🤣🤣
Just for clarification, which WR did you want to see go to AZ? With Nabers, you said you'd like to see a team use him similarly to AJ Brown in Tennessee (over the middle), but said Kyler doesnt target the middle. I love Nabers, but a bigger target on the outside like MHJ feels like a perfect fit for Kyler's skillset.
Did you watch this season? He worked fantastic over the middle using the TE and wide out
I completely agree. I love what I saw from Kyler under Petzing. I think MHJ is what that offense is missing more so than Nabers though.@@davidgough8599
Kyler loved targeting Trey McBride so he does like targeting the middle if he has a reviver he trusts
Alex is wrong on Murray. Kyler targeted the middle the 2nd most of ANY QB in the NFL Last year, only reason he didn’t with Kliff is his offense didn’t use the middle a lot. McBride did all his damage with 81recs/881YDs across the middle, Murray can definitely see the middle of the field.
Exactly Kyler does better with a big body receiver to work the outside it's proven
Ima take Nabers, Harrison doesn't break tackles and isn't a YAC monster
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Huh Harrison is always doubled i watch my Ohio state Buckeyes faithfully he is clear 1 pick because he is 100% nfl ready and he averaged 140 yards plus every game past 2 seasons that why you hear ESPN and NFL analyst say Marvin is the best player in the draft. His route running is elite when you got a DB press and safety in the back and still ate on every game.
@@MER_THEis that why he had 4 games with 30 receiving yards or less? Elite my ass.
QB has to take some of the blame for that!@@CaesFinest
@@CaesFinestbro jayden Daniel’s was throwing him the ball 😂
MHJ is that dude. Nabers is so extremely explosive.
Rome Odunze just has that dog in him... He's who I'd want on my team.
Thanks 💯 I'm going to be a freshman next year and I need to learn alot
Wr? College?
@@YnknoJesus is Lord
Harrison all day...he's a solid #1 who can get those clutch catches, run every route to perfection and just be consistent...Nabors is more of a gimmick type to me, certain down and play type WR..Harrison better technique and just solid WR. Nabors you can get creative but I don't see him taking over a game week in week out whereas Nabors will have peak moments but just not #1
Finally someone sees it
Haha I’m torn, I’m a student at OSU but a giants fan from NY. Either way I think both of these guys will DOMINATE and will both be top WRs at some point
No one is arguing mhj is better day 1. Route running and release are coachable traits. Taking a slant 40 yards weaving though defenders isn’t.
@@AB-nv7bzhow many receivers you know consistently do that. Jamarr, Tyreek sure but you don’t see that nearly as much as the receivers who do what Marv does well. At the end of the day that’s what a prospect is a projection.
I’m just happy seeing someone at least bring the conversation up that maybe marv isn’t as untouchable at wr1 as most try to say. Thanks.
No he is that untouchable. Ppl are enamored with the YAC and Speed Nabers has ands that’s good but Marc has speed and elite technique that trumps all that. Nabers is an elite prospect too WR prospect Marv is a level above that. He’s literally a bullet proof pick for whoever picks him he we will come in and already be ahead of what all the nfl coaches are telling him because he’s been doing those exact things his whole life and that’s the difference between and raw elite athletic wr in Nabers and MHJ
@@smercxz he might be in todays perception, but in a few years I think we’ll see that the gap was a lot closer than people think. What Malik can do after the catch more than makes up any difference imo. The missed tackles speaks for itself. MHJ- 6
Malik- 36
I think those are the numbers but I maybe off a few.
@@NyquillaGorillaKilla Possibly could. But in terms of prospects if I’m a gm and Marv and Nabers are on the board I’m taking Marv because ik barring injury it’s a guaranteed hit. With that said I love all these guys man Nabers, Odunze, Brian Thomas Jr. And plenty more I think all have the ability to make ppl look back in the future and talk about how deep this wr class really.
@@smercxz there are no "bullet proof" picks. Harrison hurt his teammates by not doing Pro Day. Is he a selfish a-hole? Maybe.
@@amcasanave Yes he’s bullet proof. And no he didn’t hurt his teammates😂😂😂 He did a prod for CJ who tf was coming out this year from Ohio St. you don’t even know what your talking about you heard that before about someone else and thought it applied here lol cmon bro
It really depends on what your asking them to do. Marvin looks like he projects to be on the ball (X). While Malik looks like he’ll thrive at the Z and could get favorable matchups in the slot. They’re too different styles of receiver, all depends on what your team needs
Draft class remind me of 2014
Odell, Evan’s, davante, cooks
I got a funny feeling Thomas will be the biggest star due to his situation in jax as the speed merchant
Great video well done
Hey Alex! I only recently started watching your videos, but they are stellar. I love football more because of your channel. Not sure there is higher praise than that. Thank you for all you do!!
Uhh Murray targeted the middle of the field the 2nd most of ANY QB IN THE NFL last year via PFF, the only reason he didn’t with Kliff is because the middle of the field isn’t a big part of his NFL. Maybe check the facts before parroting weak talking points next time. Murray doesn’t have a problem seeing the middle of the field.
aged like milk
@ uhhhh no it hasn’t. Murray’s is 4th in QBR 72.4 this season, 9th in QB Passer rating, 5th in QB CMP% 68.4% and 9th in QB Passer Rating 98.9. And his Elite PFF Grade of 80.9 ranks 7th and will only climb the rankings even further with how easy the remaining schedule is. And oh yea Murray Has QB”d his team to a 1st place ranking despite having the least talented roster in the division around him…..And Murray has had zero problem seeing the middle or the field as a whole, Trey McBride is thee best young TE in the NFL ranking 3rd among TEs via PFF Elite 84.9 grade (Elite 88.1 receiving grade ranks 2nd in NFL) and has 61receptions for 685YDs doing ALL OF HIS DAMAGE as a Receiver OVER THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD ilmao, Murray is one of the most efficient passers in the NFL this year and has been in the mvp conversation all year long even it’s unlikely he wins it he’s a shoe in for Comeback player of the year
Great breakdown
as a cardinal fan im drooling at the fact we are gonna have one of these 2 for the next decade 🤤
Better stop drooling.
Stop drooling cause u guys gonna still suck for the next 10
@@rob1699is that a giants fan talking trash??? LOL
@@felixhebert45 Sure is my boy!We’ve earned our stripes regardless of the shit show we’ve put out there the last few years
@@rob1699you guys looked stupid on hard knocks. Cardinals drafting work hard guys. You are drafting egotistical clowns.
We can just stop at the releases honestly. Knowing how to separate is the most important trait for me in scouting WRs. Seen too many "explosive" "burners" "physical" WRs get to the NFL and just become average athletes.
Nabers separated just fine against Terrion Arnold, Kool-Aid McKinstry, and Caleb Downs.
@@bc_qbevalno he didn’t. If you watch tape where he’s actually matched up on press he striggled. Most of his plays that game where against the safety and linebacker.
@@wendyuwaje yes he did. It's YOU who needs to go back and watch the tape. You're wrong.
@@bc_qbevalshow me the dominant tape in PRESS not the slot then I’ll believe you. Title if the video and time. If I’m wrong I’ll eat it.
No cause that’s a learned trait.
Just got both of them in a draft can’t wait to see how it turns out
Great video, agreed with what you said at the end about both receivers
I hope one of these guys Gets drafted by the Chargers ⚡
As long as we don't trade down - Nabers is likely a lock at 5
@@dereksorensen8019 I have some bad news
@@dereksorensen8019he was there for the pick but yall said no 😂😂😂
Phenomenal editing
MJH is 1, no brainer. Then its a toss up between Rome and Nabers. Which is a tough comparison because they are very different types of receivers
It’s really not. The gap between Marv and nabers is smaller than Rome and nabers
Nope, it’s definitely a toss up Between MJH and Nabors. Rome is in a category behind them too.
Nabers played better defenses and had another top recto share the rock with . You put nabers at Ohio state he’d do even more than mhj
@@gemicah9264 lol
@gemicah9264 yea but he didn't do all that out of the x. He crushed it in the slot
Awesome Vid
The 2024 WR Class is Insanely talented. I believe it will go down as one of the best, if not the best group of WR's.
Totally agree
Same with the high school class, they're insane
@dope_humor this years High School WR class? Very rarely do the top WR's in high school do anything. That has to be the biggest bust position.
Isn't the X position essentially what another LSU product (#JJETTAS2) plays? I see a ton of similarity here.
There’s no similarity in their games at all outside the school they went toZ
can we get an odunze breakdown?
Turned it off at "Malik is raw". Sorry brother but if you're going to fake it until you make it, at least avoid the obvious pitfalls. MALIK NABERS is one of the more refined receivers in this class (alongside Odunze and Harrison).
Raw compared to Marvin lol
Marv is skill paired with size, has arguably the best hands and route running ability in the class (only person in the discussion on that is Ladd) and he’s already filled out his frame. Malik is an incredible talent but Marv is the definition of the term generational
Lol. Hype train anyone. 6’3” 200lbs with 4.5 speed isn’t generational. Calvin Johnson and Randy Moss were generational.
Nice video & good analysis. Thanks for your work on this Alex.
Both have an onus of pedigree hanging over them. Now I’m a diehard NY Giants fan & thrilled that Malik Nabers is wearing Giants blue. I was actually torn between Nabers & Rome Odunze where my preference changed a few times. It’s a basically just that - preference as you can’t basically lose in choosing any of the three.
Back to onus. Marvin Harrison Jr was literally made to be a professional football player & wide receiver. He has the onus, specter & burden of having to live up to his pedigree & will forever be compared to his legendary father. Will it be a burden or blessing? If Wan’Dale & Hyatt can take next level leaps, then we should have one of the best WR groups in the league.
Nabers has to live up to the LSU receiver hype train. Odell. Ja’Marr Chase. Etc It’s certainly no where near Harrison Jr’s pressure though. I’m sure they’ll be fine. The Giants needed a taller receiver but even though Nabers isn’t one of the taller receivers at 6’ we had to pick him because a #1 WR was our biggest need. He’s freaking explosive. When you watch his tape you can just see he plays at another speed & has that extra gear. Our receiving corps has a core of Nabers, Darius Slayton, Wan’Dale Robinson & Jalin Hyatt. That is a talented & impressive group. They’re all different & present as a balanced & deep group who have diverse skill sets.
This is a group that could be very dangerous & productive. Nabers was one of the best prospects in the draft. Slayton is Mr Steady. Wan’Dale took a big leap after a rookie year in which he flashed but got hirt for the year around midway through. Jalin Hyatt showed off his world class speed & proved he isn’t a one-trick pony & is more polished than just a speed demon.
But what a class of receivers. The 2024 receiver class will certainly go down in history. Two little asides. Of course the freaking Chiefs had to draft 40 year combine record smasher Xavier 4:21 Worthy😨🫤 FSU stud receiver Keon Colemen’s first presser went viral due to his charming personality & comedic charisma. The 6’4” 216lb Keon Coleman fell to the first pick in Round 2 due to his “slow” 4:61 combine 40 time despite strong production & excellent tape. This kid is precocious, super likable & has his head screwed on correctly. I think he’s going to be a good one. He could have a DK Metcalf type of trajectory. I’m pulling for the kid🙂👍
Can’t wait for the season now!😁
It’s a 1a and 1b. Marvin’s last name definitely is a big reason he’s so hyped but he’s still an elite prospect
Yep
Alex's football acumen is second to none
LoL...I doubt hes gonna sleep with you.
But good luck
They’re both going to be incredible in their own right. Top 10 WRs in the NFL, maybe top 5.
Can you do a video comparing Nabers to Odunze?
My take is Nabers will be the better receiver in the nfl with an impact like Chase.
Let’s see how this take ages
Truly elite WR's don't disappear in a third of their games against inferior competition...
MHJr vs. Minnesota: 3 catches for 30 yards
MHJr vs. Rutgers: 4 catches for 25 yards
MHJr vs. Notre Dame: 3 catches for 32 yards
MHJr vs. Indiana: 2 catches for 18 yards
Harrison was double up a large majority of the year because Egbuka had to get tightrope surgery and Fleming couldn't win 1 on 1. Plus McCord was horrible, you could see it in some of the clips shown.
Terrible QB
Okay but he had 100+ yard against Georgia, Michigan, Penn state, etc. So who cares how he played against teams like IU, he’s shown he can dominate against 1st round defensive backs
@@hudsonknisley3843He's shown that he only shows up 2/3 of the time...
@@Ellis_Hugh so just because his stats Arnt good means he didn’t show up?? I’m the Minnesota game he got pulled by the second half, vs Rutgers he had 2 td’s, vs Notre dame he didn’t do as well but he still had some clutch catches to win the game, and the IU game was McCords first game. I was at the IU game and marv was open 90% of the time, McCord missed him in most of the throws. Stats don’t tell the whole story, watch the games
Ayyye Yoo.. Getting into Nabers was wild!! But Marvin will the safer pick
As a Chargers fan w/ the 5th pick, I'd be shocked if MHJ drops to us but, if he does, we take him. I'd rather try to trade down for more picks than drafting Nabers at 5.
Then you not very smart cause nabers is the best wr in NFL as of now
@@LacJones-b3l Justin Jefferson...
@@Alex-ye1br check the numbers mate nabers leads the league for receivers.
what is the beat at 3:30? so nice
every year theres always hip around some dude late in the scouting process because everyone gets bored. Marv is the best. Marv can do everything Nabers does and he does more things better.
Great video its so funny I made a list of NFL comps for some of the top draft prospects and for Nabers I literally had skinny AJ Brown. Glad I was on to something there! For the record I had Harrison as bigger CeeDee Lamb.
I personally don’t see the explosiveness that I see from CeeDee
Things I noticed
Harrison: takes a back step on some of his releases and looks likes he takes plays off. But uses leverage wisely
Neighbors: Has potential with his size but at the same time elite speed and reminds me of JJ but doesn't come back to routes
Definitely the best break down I’ve seen
Will you do a Jayden or Drake video?
the editing on this alex 😮😮😮
PS, I enjoy your videos!
Harrison had McCord throwing to him that in itself makes him the best receiver in the draft.
I’m new to the ins and outs of football especially in contrast to how much I know about basketball but Marvin Harrison using D-Line techniques to beat press coverage at the LOS is so cool.
It probably is something other receivers do as well but I have never paid attention to how these elite receivers win beyond using their measurable and athleticism.
I remember watching this when it first dropped hoping the nyg would get one of them and then they actually fucking did… 🤯
The thought of nabers speed and Herbert’s arm 🤤
Something tells me Rome has a new empire.
The purist in a 6'4 205 pound frame, or the walking gamebreaker at 6'0 201? I still haven't been able to put one above the other.
Great video well done. Nabers is twitchy to me and that is good while Harrison Jr. is Technical to me which is also good. Depends on what traits the teams want but all in all can't go wrong with either. Nabers though has that elite level twitch and elite speed that you can't teach so he's the one for me.
@AlexRollinsNFL where do you get this film from?
He obviously doesn’t watch film much because if he watched any of Murray’s game last year he would know Murray targets the middle a ton.
KM targeted the middle the 2nd most of any QB in the NFL Last year via PFF. McBride had 81 receptions/881 YDs all of his damage done over the middle. Kingsburys offense didn’t use the middle much so Kyler didn’t use the middle much, this new west coast offense does and Murray was one of the most efficient QBs in the NFL targeting the middle last year between 10-20YDs in the intermediate area between the numbers.
@@K1forMVPYou jerk off to Kyler or something. Jesus Christ, dude.
Ad Mitchell vs Troy Franklin would be nice for this series
Adonai is leagues better than Franklin lol. Size, route running, traits, etc..Troy is likely a 2nd round pick that will be only a deep threat. He’s also very small & not a WR1 or WR2
@@MarchOnRome absolutely insane 😂😂😂 ok we’ll see. Troy’s tape don’t even indicate he’s “only a deep threat” but this is what makes draft season fun 😂
I'm taking Harrison Jr all day. He's already that good and going to get better.
If the Titans take him watch out OMG D Hop, and Ridley on the outside with Nabers in the slot. Now that would be some firepower.
Nabers put up those numbers while having another #1 elite WR on the field with him
And a elite quarterback throwing him the ball.
Emeke Egbuka might not be on the level of Brian Thomas Jr. but also could have easily been a first round selection had he declared. Nabers also had a Heisman winner throwing him the ball versus what Marvin Harrison Jr had.
but take into account that LSU is in the SEC, for me personally, this seperates MHJ and Nabers, MHJ is the more 'complete WR' but either option is great from the NFL teams@@Unknown-ox1yq
So did marv bro, emeka egbuka was said to be the #2 wr going into the 2023 season and was gonna be a first round pick but then he got hurt
@@cohenbecker3542so he didn’t cause the guy got hurt. Lol
i was taking mhj with the first pick if i were the bears
Scary part with MHJ is he could easily still add 5-10 lbs of muscle allowing him to be more physical at the point of attack. He's a matchup nightmare. If the Cards pass on him I'll be furious
No bro he can’t. It’s doesn’t work like that. Ya maybe 5-10 over the 5-8 years. He needs speed fat or muscle makes you slower. Also no one is gaining 5-10 points of lean mass after already training for a decade.
@@AB-nv7bz With all due respect, men don't hit their physical prime until around 26. So yes, it may take him a few years to get there but it's not completely out of the realm of possibility for him to add more muscle to his frame. Also keep in mind NFL strength and conditioning programs are among the best in the world.
@@markd7762 you’re not understanding how much 5-10lbs of lean mass actually is for someone who has trained as long as he has. Building muscle isn’t some magic. Nfl programs are typically geared toward injury prevention and recover, not adding strength and mass.
5-10 more pounds means a reduction in speed and quickness.
It’s kind of unheard of for a top player at a skill position to gain more weight in their career. If anything they lose weight to keep speed.
I’m not saying he can’t do it, but it will make him a worse football player.
Fans forget that it's not just who's better now, but who will be better over the next decade plus. They are both elite.
There is no comparison. Harrison is the best PLAYER in this draft or any other in a long time. In the right system, he will be the game changer.
Lol.
That isn't true at all! If you look up Prospect profiles and grades that they've given on prospects Harrison would barely be in the top 10 in the last 5 years. Time will tell but every year there's a rare generational Talent if you haven't noticed. Bichon was last year priest was the year before that but it just goes on and on and on.
I believe Malik Nabers is going to take the NFL by storm. Daboll will use him all over the offense and get super creative to give him an abundance of opportunities. Nabers plays like an And1 basketball player - free style and acrobatic. What stood out to me was his speed!! He can take a 5 yd catch to 50 yards down the field with one broken tackle. Reminds me of a lot of Ja'Marr Chase. He can also adjust his body mid-air to the football - rare acrobatic ability! He is the best WR in this 2024 class!
That's crazy, when I really started looking at Nabers, I had the same AJB comparison.. with him being smaller it's like you take the bully ball out of AJ but because he's smaller he's noticably more explosive.
That wouldn’t be AJ then with the bully ball lol. I see a stronger OBJ in his game that RAC ability he has is ELITE but he’s more physical then OBJ while being just as explosive
@@smercxz Yeah that's a pretty good comp. Odell was a little more nuanced of a route runner coming out and Nabers isn't as special at the catch point.. but really who is lol I would say Nabers has another gear that Odell never had, which sounds ridiculous, but he is so damn explosive.
@@daniekogivens5042 ooo how about this one bro I saw someone comp him to AB and I can see that one too if he gets better at the point of attack like you said. He def does have a similar build to AB I’d say
@@smercxzhe gives me a faster deebo vibe looked antsy on the outside multiple times in press
I think both'll be productive in the NFL.
Nabers route at around 7:37 was actually disgusting.
I'll be picking one of these guys for my fantasy rookie draft. Everyone says Harrison is the best, but when I watch them it seem like Marv doesn't create much separation. With Nabers it seems like there isn't anyone within 5 yards of him when he catches it. And he torches defenders and is way better after the catch than Marv. Let me know what you guys think. Who should I pick? I need help!
Your a troll, pick Nabers and live with the consequences
Pay attention to how they are defended in this video. It's completely different. In the NFL, Nabers probably won't have the advantage of having no one within 10 yds of him when the ball is snapped.
Harrison is the type of guy who in a couple years will be thought of as a superstar who racks up redzone tds, he’s too technically talented and motivated on improving technique like a pro to be anything less with that body.
I saw "analysts" regurgitate MHJ comparison to Calvin Johnson. On what planet does their weed come from? 😂
I could just imagine Justin Herbert's deep ball skills with Malik Nabers' blazing speed.
OTOH... would it not be fun if a team had both MHJ and Brenden Rice as receivers. Two ball catchers who are the sons of two of the elite wide receivers of all time.
Rome Odunze has the latest and best hands out of the 3
Got to go with Nabors. After a year in the NFL to refine his technique, he will be way better.
You can’t refine technique at an elite level in the nfl.
Great contrast.
As a Chargers fan who just watch Keenan Allen traded away to clear cap space, which was the right move btw, I love the fact they're sitting in the #5 spot and will likely get a crack at one of these two receivers. They went with Quentin Johnston last year over Zay Flowers, who was the safer pick, hoping Johnston's rawness could be coached up to his projected high ceiling. It hasn't happened yet so to me, if they get the choice, Harrison is the better pick. But, if he's gone and Nabers is there, you take him, for sure.
Oof
Its just flavors imo. You want OBJ or Davante Adams? Nabers or Marvin?
I like that. Give me MHJ (Adams) all day I want someone who’s gonna win for years off technique once they lose a step
@@smercxzprime obj clears davante adams
@@Lsufan-20 you’re drunk my boy 😂 can’t be better then someone who sees the field and is available to play all the time and produces like crazy just doesn’t work that way vs someone who’s injury prone and production does come but it’s in spurts. Like I said give me someone who’s gonna last an entire career and once they lose a step can still win because they don’t rely on athleticism alone to be elite.
@@Lsufan-20 maybe I’m drunk 😂 I re read and saw you put prime OBJ. Maybe he does id agree but it’s definitely debatable.
@@Lsufan-20 no way
Kyler gonna cook with MHJ
Nabers will be the first receiver off the board
Nabers is electric with the ball in his hands, reminds me of Odell that way when he first entered the league, I think Harrison Jr is the better all around WR and is more NFL ready. Nabers needs some polish and I wouldn't be surprised if his ceiling is higher than Marvin Harrison's after a few seasons in the league. If Nabers can work on his releases that'll go a long long way.
Nabers on the Chargers is gonna be incredible
i hope so, trying to decide if i want us to draft him, MHJ, or odunze
@@judahdeitrich2482 for the record, I think MHJ is the better overall player. But I think he’ll get taken before pick 5, leaving Nabers as the obvious choice for the Chargers. Odunze is not better than Nabers tho, imo
Do you think the KC Chiefs are going to give him 10+ yds of off-press coverage like he's getting in almost every play in this video? He's going to get eaten up by good defenses initially. He's got plenty of learning to do.
this need for a number receiver started when stefon diggs went to buffalo and proved he was a number 1 and josh allen taking that leap. it was those two that changed the landscape of the league and every gm and coach saw it
Also Tua getting hill hurts getting AJ brown
@@MrEmmanuelmack I agree but it was josh and Stefon that started this trend in the nfl and the eagles and dolphins followed suit. They merely confirmed like that a QB needs a number one weapon. Like right after josh and Stefon it was jamar and Joe
i need to know what team alex roots for, because it feels like hes trying to get marvin to fall to his team.....sorry bro, if marvin is at 4, i guarantee hes going to be a cardinal
or… get this… he’s just being real about each guy
@@gavins.5409 there shouldnt even be a debate over NFL royalty, and a quote "raw guy". ones a guaranteed starter WR1 right outta the gates. and the other has a "potentially" higher ceiling if everything works out. rollins was also trying to make a case for nabers by showing film of kyler with kliff, the cardinals dont even run that type of offense anymore.
So... If the class is stacked with WRs
. Get your best cornerback..???
Love Nabers BUT Harrison is a GENERATIONAL type of receiver!
Brian Thomas will be the best one
No debate Harrison easily
This is like St. Brown and Chase in 21’
As a Chargers fan, I'll gladly take either!
Nabers is the lab mixed of Chase and JJettas. he just needs precisive QB and times to fix his body action. MHJ is considered WR1 because he is a skill perfection.