Its pretty crazy how early Nabers goes in draft relative to where Chase and Jefferson went in their rookie season despite having Burrow and Cousins as their QBs.
before chase and jefferson rookie WRs were avoided for a fairly good reason, they rarely produced. mhj/nabers are people chasing results from other players, the ceiling that could be.
@@pyatig Kyler Murray looks like an All-Pro QB when you compare him to Daniel Jones and Drew Lock (who probably will play late in the season) Also the Cardinals have much better weapons around MH so defense cant just gameplan soley for him.
@@epicphailure88People also sleeping on Michael Wilson. Dude was good last year until he got injured. If he stays healthy this could be his year as WR2 behind MHJ
Chris Olave is undraftable at cost. In 2 full seasons he has a whopping 0 weeks with more than 20 points in half ppr. I don't understand how I could win a best ball tournament when my second round pick's ceiling is that low. I completely trust the talent of Olave, but as a fantasy football player I have not seen any justifiable production to warrant a second round pick, and its not like his situation has improved at all. If you want a safe floor player you might as well take diontae johnson, courtland sutton, or another wr1 on a bad offense later on rather than waste your second round pick on a guy who has no proven upside. If you want a shot at the ceiling of the offense, take shaheed who has flashed ceiling and should get more opportunities at a fraction of the cost
Here's why I don't hate him at cost, the weapons around him and QB didn't change but they did bring in a new OC (Klint Kubiak) that will run a lot more motion than they have been using these last few years. Olave when in motion is just a completely different player and way more dynamic. I'm going to be paying very close attention to how they use him in preseason but if he's a guy that goes into motion a lot then he could be looking at a season 3 breakout. That said there's still concerns with their o-line and Derek Carr being well... Derek Carr. I'm not fading him or raising him up my rankings by much until we get a better look at what this offense is going to look like and how they deploy him.
(Assuming he stays on the browns without Aiyuk) Amari Cooper is undervalued AGAIN. Pace with Watson last year was 95 catches for over 1600 yards and he’s going after Tee Higgins and them
@@MagundyZol I just went over the numbers myself. Surprisingly, you are correct. Especially since Watson has not been playing well for 2 years. They played 5 complete games together last season. Amassed 28 catches, 480 passing yards, and 2 TDs in that time span. Which, when extrapolated over a 17-game stretch, does come out to ~ 96 catches, 1632 yards, 6.8 TDs. Still, I'm very surprised it came out that well. But makes me feel much better targeting Cooper, knowing that it wasn't just a Flacco connection.
@@swaglordmoneyslayerlord4608 21 is much better than many current ADPs of around 30+. But 21 is still much worse than his numbers from last year. I think he was a top 12 WR last year. If you can get him in the pick 60-72 range consistently, he is a steal. But at WR21, I think that comes out to 40-52 range. So, it's much closer to his fair value. IMO He's a bit undervalued at that ADP, but it's not by much. You really can't assume he will perform at his ceiling of 96 catches, 1600 yards, and 7 TDs.
Washington threw the most but they were spreading it around to so many guys. I think they are going to condense the targets and get Terry more involved. So many players in the NFL recognize how talented he is I think he’s been a victim of circumstance. 29 is scary but I’m taking the bet on him hard at his cost in this wide receiver heavy market on UD. Good luck out there fellas 🤙
The best thing going for him is they got rid of Bieniemy. That was the reason they spread the ball out so much, he was bad about that when he was with the Chiefs.
The problem is hes kind of a safe play, hes not going to win you weeks by himself and thats the goal of alot of these guys. You got guys going around him like Jayden Reed, Rashee Rice, Calvin Ridley who probably all have higher ceilings that Christian kirk if luck breaks their way
I'm not sold on any Texans WR. It's not because of talent because they have that in boats full. It's for the fact that idk if there are enough balls to go around. They have 3 top in WR's and that scares me away a little bit. Not to mention that if Diggs doesn't get his he may destroy the locker room.
All the WRs ate in that system last year, they might not have quite the same numbers but nico will eat. I'm a little lower on diggs, but he could have a 1k yards/4-6 td year and tank Dell could be a sneaky later round pick that could explode. Honestly I think tank Dell has a similar value to devonte smith on the eagles and he's going way earlier than tank.
Stroud will throw 4k yards this year. Give 800 or so to rbs, that's leaves 3200 yards between receivers and te, there will be a wr with 1200+ yards on the texans
1 top 12 receiver on a bottom 5 offense in the last 10 years (rookie or otherwise).- Mike Evans was 12th in 2014. beware the hype on Malik Nabers - he is great but the odds are stacked against him right now.
Ok, but if he’s great the giants can probably dig out of being a bottom 5 offense. They don’t have to be great, your stat specifically cuts out all the offenses in the low 20s because I’m sure there have been plenty from those teams.
Considering reaching in the 3rd round of my home league 10 man draft and grabbing Kupp as my WR2. Would be bypassing some good RBs but I think I’d feel comfortable starting out with something like Tyreek, Etienne, and Kupp as my first three picks.
Cooper Kupp has had 7 NFL seasons... He has ONE great season and 6 other seasons that average out to 850 yards and 6 TDs. The ONE great season is the outlier. The other 6 seasons are the proof.
He's had a ton of injuries though that have affected his career stats. I do think people are chasing the 2021 upside that isn't there anymore with Kupp, but he could get 10+ tds again if he stays healthy for sure.
He played an average of about 13 games per year. So, that averages about 1050 yds and 7.5 tds per 16 or 17 game season. That's not bad for a wr 2/3, especially when you consider coach, qb, and overall upside potential.
He had 1 ALL TIME great season. Multiple great seasons on a per game basis. And 2 great full seasons. The only thing that has held him back has been injuries, which granted are a legit concern.
Pittman over Nabers is crazy. I'll admit that, but Nabers at 27ish adp and Pittman at 34ish i think. But Tank, the wr3 on his team, over Pittman is very optimistic imo. Pittman v. DK is much closer, but that's why DK is currently ahead in ADP. That decision basically boils down to who you think has a better passing season between Geno and Richardson.
calling tank the 3 on his team is a bit tricky though, isnt it? the guy was averaging like 17ppg before they arbitrarily had him on the field for a goal line push.
The thing I took a chance on with respect to Mike Williams is he will be seeing single coverage.....defenses will be rolling toward Garrett Wilson, and have to commit to stopping Breece Hall. Rodgers finds the open man, and I believe Williams will be winning by mid season since he is such a big target. If he doesnt, oh well, I took him in the 15th round...but that was my thought process.
Yeah I can't get on the Nabers train with him being a rookie and having Daniel Jones as his QB. I also like Terry a lot of cost, he fits the profile of some of the players who have had the biggest breakouts, where you have a very good player that suddenly gets a signifficant QB upgrade (Kupp with Stafford, Diggs with Allen, Nico with Stroud), obviously it's not guaratneed if Daniels gonna be good or not but I think the possible payoff is well worth the price.
But only Stroud was a rookie QB from that list, and Nico is much younger than Terry. I’ve been a longtime fan of Terry, and I think it’s a real shame he had never had a qb, but idk if I trust him to break out this season with a rookie qb who runs a lot and a bad offensive line
I feel like the arch type wr that Keenan Allen is will be super solid in PPR formats. Could see a rookie Caleb Williams peppering him with lots of targets and easy first downs.
Daniel Jones in 2022 had 3200 passing yards and 15 passing TDs, and that was his best season in his five years in the NFL. That doesn't leave a whole lot for Nabers. Never mind that the top WR in a bottom five scoring offense only ends up a top 12 WR 20% of the time, and the Giants are projected to be bottom five in scoring. Add in that only 12 Rookie WRs have had 1000+ yards from 2015-2023 (8 years) and Nabers is priced high, not low. Nabers is a great prospect, but he possibly went to the worst situation that he could have.
To be fair they didn’t find their starting 3 WRs till the final half of the season. They had David sills Marcus Johnson the ghost of golladay and then Richie James who was ok playing a decent amount the first half till they signed hodgins mid szn and finally took slayton out the doghouse after a few weeks. He really didn’t have anyone to throw to for a good chunk of the szn even bellinger missed a decent amount of time. I don’t think he will have amazing stats but he should be able to pass both those numbers can’t really rely on a rb to carry the offense anymore
@@moabboss 3200 yards and 15 TDs is awful regardless of who you are throwing to, and that is the best Jones has ever done. Ryan Tannehill averaged over 4000 yards and 25 TDs a season from 2013-2015 with garbage WRs and no o-line. Believe it or not, Devin Singletary wasn't that far behind Saquon last year, especially when you consider that Dameon Pierce was the starter at the beginning of the year.
And which side of the fence are you on? Like the giants will be behind most of the time so they will have to throw. So Nabers shoukd get 15 targets a game. OR nobody else scares you and Nabers get blanketed and Jones is so bad he can’t hit nabers when he’s open for those 1-2seconds in the route. I think nabers is good flex. I just dont trust Jones, especially if he’s running all the time
@@kingpinballer242 I'm on the "Daniel Jones and the New York Giants are both bad" side. The top WRs on bad teams (bottom 5 in scoring) struggle to finish as top 24 WRS (16% in the last 10 years). Nabers is being drafted in the top 24 at his position. Jones is also terrible, which compounds the issue. Even if Jones duplicates his best season ever (2022) and Nabers gets a third of that production, he likely will fall outside of the top 24 at his position. Too many things have to go right for Nabers to meet or exceed his ADP.
@@kingrex1931 100% agree with this. Daniel Jones has always been bad about getting the ball to his WR's. He is also just an awful QB that is one of the most overpaid at his position for not even being an average QB in the NFL. Actually, think this really hurts Nabers and I am staying away from. Would much rather draft Harrison Jr who has a competent QB who has shown he can feed the #1 WR on his team
Imagine if Nabers landed anywhere but the comedic sitcom that is the New York Giants? It would be a testament to his talent if he could crack 1000yds this season
You would rather have the wr 2 in Philly or the wr 3 in Houston over Pittman? That’s crazy to me. Vegas has Pittman receptions at 87. More than all the guys you said you would take over him.
As a Giants fan, I hope you are both right about Malik Nabers, but I have my doubts. Daniel Jones has never been able to consistently throw the ball down the field, and the Giants offense was unwatchable when Jones was in at QB last year. I think Nabers is Garrett Wilson 2.0- an elite talent whose fantasy value is torpedoed by poor QB play.
Im a Colts fan, but not drafting Pittman. I just feel AR is going to learn how to play QB after just over a dozen games since Highschool.. I see him looking to push the ball downfield and don't know if he'll be looking to hit the short/mid as much as we think. He may just be a first read guy to start off.
“I don’t think Shane Steichen is going to just RPO teams to death” why do you think that though? Maybe I missed it but what what’s the explanation for that take I don’t know much about Steichen
RPO's will still be run, but not to the same degree as they were with Minshew. You have to manufacture an offense around Minshew. We don't believe you have to do that in the same way with AR. More of the field will be attacked
Nico and Kupp biggest upside. Debo will probably be what has been the last 2 yrs. Nico and Kupp both could have great years of healthy but Nico may have the biggest upside going by potential
Love kupp I’m willing to reach on him at my 2/3 turn but idk lmk I’d that’s good I fell like I can get him at 4/5 turn but I need him thinks he will ball out
I'm the only one high on Kamara? Top 3 in ppg in ppr last year and the situation hasn't changed. He's gonna catch a tonne of balls again (75 last year)
I'm always high on kamara,he catches tons of passes and I'll keep taking him til he shows I shouldnt.he didn't play 3 or 4 games last year and still ended up in the top
Jamo being drafted at 115 is criminally low. Jamo is the clear cut WR2 on the number one offense in the NFL. Book it that Jamo, St Brown and LaPorta all go over 1000 yards.
@ets2446 edited to correct a typo when I posted it you dufuss. I haven't see this post in a month. I am on numerous boards promoting Jamo as a major steal. If I edited lately I woukd not be projecting LaPorta quite that high.
D. Jones might be benched for the last month of the season or more as his contract runs out. That should be something that needs to be factored in for RISK involving Malik.
He'll take Keenan's spot real quick and then it'll just be them trading wr1's each week! He was my #1 this year behind Malik only knock was age. Caleb and those 3 are gonna be ridiculous to watch this year... And this is coming from a Vikings/ LA fan, it's uncomfortable on so many levels! 😂
I was offered AJ Brown and Tyjae Spears for my Harrison Jr and Diontae Johnson.. is this a smash accept? We can start 5 WR’s in this league so depth at the position is important.
I know all my auction draft truthers out there would really appreciate it if you could dedicate a show to this draft style. Its becoming a very popular (dare I say preferred) for serious home redraft leagues and there is a major lack of content for it. Plus it never hurts to have a video ready to catch the audience of league tacos that search specifically for auction strats at the last minute (algorithm go brrrr). Either way great show as always!
Especially with the amount of trash QBs out there everyone gives the benefit of the doubt to due to their situations. Jones has been in as bad of a situation as anyone since he's entered the league.
I have a hard time watching underdog creators talk about home leauges cause they value upside a little unrealistically. Playing in a tournament with 100k people is too different than with 5 of your buddies.
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The Nabers hype is insane, are we completely forgetting how bad Daniel Jones is, and how horrific the offensive line is?????? He’s also not a prototypical WR1, he’s more of a Devonta Smith type player. I think he’s a WR3 this season at best.
You smoking crack? 😂 WR 3?! Lmao. It doesn’t matter who his qb is he will be force fed regardless. DJ will be dependant and already sucks at reading the defenses so he will be locked in on Nabers a lot and Nabers will get the ball A LOT
I'm late to this but saying minshew isn't as good of a quarterback as Richardson is hilarious. Do people just forget how awful Richardson is at throwing? Good luck getting fantasy production on 50% completions
I realize Nabers is a great and a fun talent but we are seriously over valuing him due to his situation. Everyone just magically forgets Daniel Jones is mediocre at best? Sure the game scripts will have them passing more than not due to them always being behind but let’s be realistic here. Taking him over MHJ, Kupp, or even DK and Smith is absolutely wild.
eh...anyone saying they are really confident and it is simple in kupp is suspect, injury issues entire career and old... if healthy he will dominant, but injuries likely. Not a single person on earth thinks kupp will be bad if healthy.. he is a lotto ticket and goes where he should...and Nabers is going where he should..giants are horrendous
Is Michael Pittman a chicken or the egg situation though? Throughout his career he’s played w the corpse of Philip rivers and Matt Ryan and Gardner minshew mostly. He’s been a massive volume hog throughout his career and for the first time in his Career should be playing with a quarterback with the arm strength to push the ball deep down the field. I don’t think Pittman is going to suddenly morph into tyreek, but having a quarterback that can theoretically attack every blade of grass with his arm on top of buy more time with his legs I can see Pittmans adot being a bit higher.
Richardson couldn’t hit 60% completion, extrapolate his numbers and you get 3000 yards and 12 TDs… out of all the QBs in the NFL the only QB with a worst 4 games was Fields… Minshew had a better first 4 games as a rookie… He injured his throwing shoulde and sat on the bench for 8 months looking at an IPad… How is he going to improve? How is he an even decent NFL QB? He’s Daniel Jones that runs better, he’s a great RB that can kind of throw
Cooper kupps adp been looking juicy for weeks, panicking that all these channels are picking up on it
As said in the show, we hyped up Kupp in videos that posted two weeks ago, 13 days ago and 9 days ago
Kupp and Waddle, doing mocks now and they still get snagged early in 3rd and 4th.
I got kupp,nabers, and waddle in my home league...
CMC Olave Kupp
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Its pretty crazy how early Nabers goes in draft relative to where Chase and Jefferson went in their rookie season despite having Burrow and Cousins as their QBs.
Burrow was coming off a torn acl and Cousins was wildly underrated.
If that’s crazy what do we call MH
before chase and jefferson rookie WRs were avoided for a fairly good reason, they rarely produced. mhj/nabers are people chasing results from other players, the ceiling that could be.
@@pyatig Kyler Murray looks like an All-Pro QB when you compare him to Daniel Jones and Drew Lock (who probably will play late in the season) Also the Cardinals have much better weapons around MH so defense cant just gameplan soley for him.
@@epicphailure88People also sleeping on Michael Wilson. Dude was good last year until he got injured. If he stays healthy this could be his year as WR2 behind MHJ
Chris Olave is undraftable at cost. In 2 full seasons he has a whopping 0 weeks with more than 20 points in half ppr. I don't understand how I could win a best ball tournament when my second round pick's ceiling is that low. I completely trust the talent of Olave, but as a fantasy football player I have not seen any justifiable production to warrant a second round pick, and its not like his situation has improved at all. If you want a safe floor player you might as well take diontae johnson, courtland sutton, or another wr1 on a bad offense later on rather than waste your second round pick on a guy who has no proven upside. If you want a shot at the ceiling of the offense, take shaheed who has flashed ceiling and should get more opportunities at a fraction of the cost
He’s falling, I just got him with the second pick of the fourth round.
@@BoltBrethrennot in best ball.
Thank you! Well put. Been confused all offseason
Here's why I don't hate him at cost, the weapons around him and QB didn't change but they did bring in a new OC (Klint Kubiak) that will run a lot more motion than they have been using these last few years. Olave when in motion is just a completely different player and way more dynamic. I'm going to be paying very close attention to how they use him in preseason but if he's a guy that goes into motion a lot then he could be looking at a season 3 breakout. That said there's still concerns with their o-line and Derek Carr being well... Derek Carr. I'm not fading him or raising him up my rankings by much until we get a better look at what this offense is going to look like and how they deploy him.
@@ryanalbright5896WRs always get boosted up in best ball
(Assuming he stays on the browns without Aiyuk) Amari Cooper is undervalued AGAIN. Pace with Watson last year was 95 catches for over 1600 yards and he’s going after Tee Higgins and them
I read that his pace with Watson was quite poor because when Watson was playing, he chose to go elsewhere and not to Cooper.
@@andrewadami3920 Njokus pace with Watson was bad. Amari’s pace was 95/1632/7 with him last year
Amari is going as Wr21 in my league would you still consider that to be underrated?
@@MagundyZol I just went over the numbers myself. Surprisingly, you are correct. Especially since Watson has not been playing well for 2 years.
They played 5 complete games together last season. Amassed 28 catches, 480 passing yards, and 2 TDs in that time span.
Which, when extrapolated over a 17-game stretch, does come out to ~ 96 catches, 1632 yards, 6.8 TDs.
Still, I'm very surprised it came out that well. But makes me feel much better targeting Cooper, knowing that it wasn't just a Flacco connection.
@@swaglordmoneyslayerlord4608 21 is much better than many current ADPs of around 30+. But 21 is still much worse than his numbers from last year. I think he was a top 12 WR last year.
If you can get him in the pick 60-72 range consistently, he is a steal. But at WR21, I think that comes out to 40-52 range. So, it's much closer to his fair value. IMO He's a bit undervalued at that ADP, but it's not by much. You really can't assume he will perform at his ceiling of 96 catches, 1600 yards, and 7 TDs.
Washington threw the most but they were spreading it around to so many guys. I think they are going to condense the targets and get Terry more involved. So many players in the NFL recognize how talented he is I think he’s been a victim of circumstance. 29 is scary but I’m taking the bet on him hard at his cost in this wide receiver heavy market on UD.
Good luck out there fellas 🤙
The best thing going for him is they got rid of Bieniemy. That was the reason they spread the ball out so much, he was bad about that when he was with the Chiefs.
Someone reached for him in my big money boomer league 😡🤬. I thought I would get him as a sleeper
Are Josh's rankings posted anywhere yet? Or will they be?
I think Christian Kirk is the most undervalued receiver this year. Not the sexy pick but definitely great value
Agreed
The problem is hes kind of a safe play, hes not going to win you weeks by himself and thats the goal of alot of these guys. You got guys going around him like Jayden Reed, Rashee Rice, Calvin Ridley who probably all have higher ceilings that Christian kirk if luck breaks their way
@@ryanhudson3064 I’ll take Kirk over all them , I’ll take a safe floor compared to these guys all day , + he has 150 vacated targets
@@ryanhudson3064I would bet that CK has more yards and tds than CR this season
@@Dave-o-55 I think I'd take that bet.
I'm not sold on any Texans WR. It's not because of talent because they have that in boats full. It's for the fact that idk if there are enough balls to go around. They have 3 top in WR's and that scares me away a little bit. Not to mention that if Diggs doesn't get his he may destroy the locker room.
All the WRs ate in that system last year, they might not have quite the same numbers but nico will eat. I'm a little lower on diggs, but he could have a 1k yards/4-6 td year and tank Dell could be a sneaky later round pick that could explode. Honestly I think tank Dell has a similar value to devonte smith on the eagles and he's going way earlier than tank.
Stroud will throw 4k yards this year. Give 800 or so to rbs, that's leaves 3200 yards between receivers and te, there will be a wr with 1200+ yards on the texans
Zamir White is Undervalued I think but he is a gamble so that makes sense. - Smash
He’s the starter for cheap. If you’re going wr heavy I’ll take the chance.
He’s ass. Congratulations
1 top 12 receiver on a bottom 5 offense in the last 10 years (rookie or otherwise).- Mike Evans was 12th in 2014. beware the hype on Malik Nabers - he is great but the odds are stacked against him right now.
Ok, but if he’s great the giants can probably dig out of being a bottom 5 offense. They don’t have to be great, your stat specifically cuts out all the offenses in the low 20s because I’m sure there have been plenty from those teams.
Considering reaching in the 3rd round of my home league 10 man draft and grabbing Kupp as my WR2. Would be bypassing some good RBs but I think I’d feel comfortable starting out with something like Tyreek, Etienne, and Kupp as my first three picks.
Cooper Kupp has had 7 NFL seasons... He has ONE great season and 6 other seasons that average out to 850 yards and 6 TDs. The ONE great season is the outlier. The other 6 seasons are the proof.
He's had a ton of injuries though that have affected his career stats. I do think people are chasing the 2021 upside that isn't there anymore with Kupp, but he could get 10+ tds again if he stays healthy for sure.
He played an average of about 13 games per year. So, that averages about 1050 yds and 7.5 tds per 16 or 17 game season. That's not bad for a wr 2/3, especially when you consider coach, qb, and overall upside potential.
He had 1 ALL TIME great season. Multiple great seasons on a per game basis. And 2 great full seasons. The only thing that has held him back has been injuries, which granted are a legit concern.
A lot of injury risk. Not just to him but for his aging hof qb that takes a beating every week.
Pittman over Nabers is crazy. I'll admit that, but Nabers at 27ish adp and Pittman at 34ish i think. But Tank, the wr3 on his team, over Pittman is very optimistic imo. Pittman v. DK is much closer, but that's why DK is currently ahead in ADP. That decision basically boils down to who you think has a better passing season between Geno and Richardson.
calling tank the 3 on his team is a bit tricky though, isnt it? the guy was averaging like 17ppg before they arbitrarily had him on the field for a goal line push.
Im bookmarking this to laugh at you saying tank is the wr3 on his team
@@coreywatts8183same😂
Pittman over nabers being "crazy" is what we all need to come back here for
I really appreciate your work but the confidence in rookie qb’s or near rookie qbs (Richardson) and their related WR’s is a bit crazy
Love this one, great to have insight on overvalued players at their ADP. Feel like that’s not said enough
The thing I took a chance on with respect to Mike Williams is he will be seeing single coverage.....defenses will be rolling toward Garrett Wilson, and have to commit to stopping Breece Hall. Rodgers finds the open man, and I believe Williams will be winning by mid season since he is such a big target. If he doesnt, oh well, I took him in the 15th round...but that was my thought process.
Yeah I can't get on the Nabers train with him being a rookie and having Daniel Jones as his QB. I also like Terry a lot of cost, he fits the profile of some of the players who have had the biggest breakouts, where you have a very good player that suddenly gets a signifficant QB upgrade (Kupp with Stafford, Diggs with Allen, Nico with Stroud), obviously it's not guaratneed if Daniels gonna be good or not but I think the possible payoff is well worth the price.
But only Stroud was a rookie QB from that list, and Nico is much younger than Terry. I’ve been a longtime fan of Terry, and I think it’s a real shame he had never had a qb, but idk if I trust him to break out this season with a rookie qb who runs a lot and a bad offensive line
Another great show, boys! Always enjoy the content.
Great content guys!
Are you guys to review last year's winning teams?
I like your thoughts on Nabers and agree that there could be some positive regression for Jones
I feel like the arch type wr that Keenan Allen is will be super solid in PPR formats. Could see a rookie Caleb Williams peppering him with lots of targets and easy first downs.
This will be the case first 4-5 weeks. Will drop off from there. Moore/Odunze will be must starts when Allen gets hurt.
Derek Carr has been a leader in 4th quarter comebacks for years. Those 10 TDs are not garbage time. They're clutch time
Derek Carr often would hit Alvin Kamara 2 secs after snap for 2 yards a pop it seemed like
Daniel Jones in 2022 had 3200 passing yards and 15 passing TDs, and that was his best season in his five years in the NFL. That doesn't leave a whole lot for Nabers. Never mind that the top WR in a bottom five scoring offense only ends up a top 12 WR 20% of the time, and the Giants are projected to be bottom five in scoring. Add in that only 12 Rookie WRs have had 1000+ yards from 2015-2023 (8 years) and Nabers is priced high, not low. Nabers is a great prospect, but he possibly went to the worst situation that he could have.
To be fair they didn’t find their starting 3 WRs till the final half of the season. They had David sills Marcus Johnson the ghost of golladay and then Richie James who was ok playing a decent amount the first half till they signed hodgins mid szn and finally took slayton out the doghouse after a few weeks. He really didn’t have anyone to throw to for a good chunk of the szn even bellinger missed a decent amount of time. I don’t think he will have amazing stats but he should be able to pass both those numbers can’t really rely on a rb to carry the offense anymore
@@moabboss 3200 yards and 15 TDs is awful regardless of who you are throwing to, and that is the best Jones has ever done. Ryan Tannehill averaged over 4000 yards and 25 TDs a season from 2013-2015 with garbage WRs and no o-line.
Believe it or not, Devin Singletary wasn't that far behind Saquon last year, especially when you consider that Dameon Pierce was the starter at the beginning of the year.
And which side of the fence are you on? Like the giants will be behind most of the time so they will have to throw. So Nabers shoukd get 15 targets a game. OR nobody else scares you and Nabers get blanketed and Jones is so bad he can’t hit nabers when he’s open for those 1-2seconds in the route. I think nabers is good flex. I just dont trust Jones, especially if he’s running all the time
@@kingpinballer242 I'm on the "Daniel Jones and the New York Giants are both bad" side. The top WRs on bad teams (bottom 5 in scoring) struggle to finish as top 24 WRS (16% in the last 10 years). Nabers is being drafted in the top 24 at his position. Jones is also terrible, which compounds the issue. Even if Jones duplicates his best season ever (2022) and Nabers gets a third of that production, he likely will fall outside of the top 24 at his position. Too many things have to go right for Nabers to meet or exceed his ADP.
@@kingrex1931 100% agree with this. Daniel Jones has always been bad about getting the ball to his WR's. He is also just an awful QB that is one of the most overpaid at his position for not even being an average QB in the NFL. Actually, think this really hurts Nabers and I am staying away from. Would much rather draft Harrison Jr who has a competent QB who has shown he can feed the #1 WR on his team
Hot take, i like polk late rounds vs odunze in mid rounds. Polk might get fed often
Imagine if Nabers landed anywhere but the comedic sitcom that is the New York Giants? It would be a testament to his talent if he could crack 1000yds this season
Chargers would have been fun if they let Herbert rip it
Yeah I’m afraid Nabers is currently overvalued even though he is a fun and interesting prospect.
You would rather have the wr 2 in Philly or the wr 3 in Houston over Pittman? That’s crazy to me. Vegas has Pittman receptions at 87. More than all the guys you said you would take over him.
I'm shocked Nabers is going that low on Yahoo. He went WR15 in my work league...got sniped :')
Wow, he just went WR 24 in my 12 team league.
As a Giants fan, I hope you are both right about Malik Nabers, but I have my doubts. Daniel Jones has never been able to consistently throw the ball down the field, and the Giants offense was unwatchable when Jones was in at QB last year. I think Nabers is Garrett Wilson 2.0- an elite talent whose fantasy value is torpedoed by poor QB play.
He’s a better talent than Wilson
Great insights on Saints mess and fading Olave
Im a Colts fan, but not drafting Pittman. I just feel AR is going to learn how to play QB after just over a dozen games since Highschool.. I see him looking to push the ball downfield and don't know if he'll be looking to hit the short/mid as much as we think.
He may just be a first read guy to start off.
“I don’t think Shane Steichen is going to just RPO teams to death” why do you think that though? Maybe I missed it but what what’s the explanation for that take I don’t know much about Steichen
RPO's will still be run, but not to the same degree as they were with Minshew. You have to manufacture an offense around Minshew. We don't believe you have to do that in the same way with AR. More of the field will be attacked
Kupp vs Deebo vs Nico how do we rank these?
Nico and Kupp biggest upside. Debo will probably be what has been the last 2 yrs. Nico and Kupp both could have great years of healthy but Nico may have the biggest upside going by potential
Sorry one request… Can Hayden add Tiers on the rankings?
Best takes in fantasy! I'm on BB draft #53 LFG!
Terry has never had a QB yet he’s had 4x1000+ years. JD5 is a pocket passer who can run lol Terry will be top 25 for sure.
BTJ is gonna be the best receiver in that draft
Love kupp I’m willing to reach on him at my 2/3 turn but idk lmk I’d that’s good I fell like I can get him at 4/5 turn but I need him thinks he will ball out
Cooper cupp! You draft him.
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Got Pittman in The six round. That’s a win for me.
Hey, how would you rank in order from.. London,Kyren,Achane,deebo
Deebo, London, Achane, Kyren
Kyren, Deebo, Achane, London
Agreed w that guy ^
@@glimpse5038agreed
Kind of depends on league format. But imo...for bestball
London/deebo, achane, kyren
Mike Williams is a headache for owners. 68 is generous
I'm the only one high on Kamara? Top 3 in ppg in ppr last year and the situation hasn't changed. He's gonna catch a tonne of balls again (75 last year)
I'm always high on kamara,he catches tons of passes and I'll keep taking him til he shows I shouldnt.he didn't play 3 or 4 games last year and still ended up in the top
Still waiting to be able to bet on Underdog as a NV resident. Fk Nevada!
Agreed
Alshon Jeffrey forgot about him
WEAVES, I NEED YOUR RANKINGS! We've hear enough from these two galaxy brains!!
ME TOO PLS
I wouldn’t take Nabers if you gave me him. I want nothing to do with any Giants players.
Would add Olave and Aiyuk to the list
Lots will overspend on nabers. But Daniel jones means it won’t be me
I think steichen runs the offense exactly the same with richardson
Jamo being drafted at 115 is criminally low. Jamo is the clear cut WR2 on the number one offense in the NFL. Book it that Jamo, St Brown and LaPorta all go over 1000 yards.
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@ets2446 edited to correct a typo when I posted it you dufuss. I haven't see this post in a month. I am on numerous boards promoting Jamo as a major steal. If I edited lately I woukd not be projecting LaPorta quite that high.
D. Jones might be benched for the last month of the season or more as his contract runs out. That should be something that needs to be factored in for RISK involving Malik.
That shouldn't affect his ability to get targeted at all. If anything the backups will throw to him more.
Kincaid goes 101 overall in espn and 51 in underdog
Thank you Josh and Hayden! Good luck everyone
Saw Rome odunze at practice today and he's the real deal. Don't be surprised if he is wr1 in year 3 over taking dj Moore. That's not a knock Moore.
Year 3?! Buddy, I’ll probably be dead by then but thanks for the scouting report
He'll take Keenan's spot real quick and then it'll just be them trading wr1's each week! He was my #1 this year behind Malik only knock was age. Caleb and those 3 are gonna be ridiculous to watch this year...
And this is coming from a Vikings/ LA fan, it's uncomfortable on so many levels! 😂
Jacobi Meyers and Christian kirk especially in ppr feel like pretty easy selects especially if you fall on an early rb
MOlave for me, like I have been saying all off season. Derek “ Crash” is not it!
We get 12 targets and everyone starts panicking then he’s out by week 8
Nico Collins and diggs
Draft stroud dropp the rest
I was offered AJ Brown and Tyjae Spears for my Harrison Jr and Diontae Johnson.. is this a smash accept?
We can start 5 WR’s in this league so depth at the position is important.
I really hope my league mates are as down on Nabers and the Giants as everyone commenting here.
I get nabers in round 6-7 and Kirk in 8-9 on yahoo
No idea where to rank Rome, espn has him too low
Football time!
Everyone is sleeping on Jakobi Meyers. Add him as your wr 4 youll thank me later
If he’s great then okay. I give it 30 / 70.
Weaves rankings for me please
I know all my auction draft truthers out there would really appreciate it if you could dedicate a show to this draft style. Its becoming a very popular (dare I say preferred) for serious home redraft leagues and there is a major lack of content for it. Plus it never hurts to have a video ready to catch the audience of league tacos that search specifically for auction strats at the last minute (algorithm go brrrr). Either way great show as always!
We plan on an auction video before the end of the month
Totally agree, Hondor!
Nabers goes early as shit already
Everybody writing off daniel jones when he never had an elite receiver and always had a bottom 5 offensive line
Especially with the amount of trash QBs out there everyone gives the benefit of the doubt to due to their situations. Jones has been in as bad of a situation as anyone since he's entered the league.
His tape bro..😮
@@kevinvandeventer8690 Whats your detailed opinion of his tape?
i'm not anti Carr more than Olave, that man got crushed last year, juan if healthy should ball out!
The only way I could get cooper kupp is by taking him at 3.01
Or 2/3 turn
Rookie QBs hardly support 1 WR, how the hell is Caleb Williams going to support 3? All 3 Bears WRs are going to be overrated
I have a hard time watching underdog creators talk about home leauges cause they value upside a little unrealistically. Playing in a tournament with 100k people is too different than with 5 of your buddies.
Would suggest watching our Upside video with Ron Stewart: Upside Wins 2024 Fantasy Football Championships
ruclips.net/video/8ZlrlscPhOQ/видео.html
Picking for upside is even more useful in home leagues because how much you can change your roster
Also dk, d.smith or nabers
Nabers
DK Metcalf
@@golfcourseguy3398Daniel Jones
The Nabers hype is insane, are we completely forgetting how bad Daniel Jones is, and how horrific the offensive line is?????? He’s also not a prototypical WR1, he’s more of a Devonta Smith type player. I think he’s a WR3 this season at best.
You smoking crack? 😂 WR 3?! Lmao. It doesn’t matter who his qb is he will be force fed regardless.
DJ will be dependant and already sucks at reading the defenses so he will be locked in on Nabers a lot and Nabers will get the ball A LOT
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I'm late to this but saying minshew isn't as good of a quarterback as Richardson is hilarious. Do people just forget how awful Richardson is at throwing? Good luck getting fantasy production on 50% completions
You guys forget that Daniel Jones is the key to success here??? 🤯
The steals vs the rip-offs from ESPN rankings
Guys you cant be an egregious pick when its one of the last in the draft 😂
I realize Nabers is a great and a fun talent but we are seriously over valuing him due to his situation. Everyone just magically forgets Daniel Jones is mediocre at best? Sure the game scripts will have them passing more than not due to them always being behind but let’s be realistic here. Taking him over MHJ, Kupp, or even DK and Smith is absolutely wild.
We did our best to talk through both sides of the argument
eh...anyone saying they are really confident and it is simple in kupp is suspect, injury issues entire career and old... if healthy he will dominant, but injuries likely. Not a single person on earth thinks kupp will be bad if healthy.. he is a lotto ticket and goes where he should...and Nabers is going where he should..giants are horrendous
Is Michael Pittman a chicken or the egg situation though? Throughout his career he’s played w the corpse of Philip rivers and Matt Ryan and Gardner minshew mostly. He’s been a massive volume hog throughout his career and for the first time in his Career should be playing with a quarterback with the arm strength to push the ball deep down the field. I don’t think Pittman is going to suddenly morph into tyreek, but having a quarterback that can theoretically attack every blade of grass with his arm on top of buy more time with his legs I can see Pittmans adot being a bit higher.
JSN!
Very undervalued. He’s so much better than his rookie year numbers. Kind of glad he stayed quiet. Keep that adp down
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Musgrave is going too low, even with all the competition for catches there. Good players on good offenses.
If you’re taking fantasy advice from these two, you should just save your money. I do love underdog though lol
weaves, the transition graphic isn't covering the cut. it happened a lot last video too. sorry dog, love your work. - another professional editor.
Thanks for the shout Abe! Found the problem. Let's have a good season 🤝
I don’t understand the Nabers hype. Daniel Jones is a bum.
nabars over MHJ is insane with kyler vs Daniel jones lol
I feel like I’m getting away with robbery taking Kupp in round 4 in mocks right now
Father time is undefeated
No Minshew was a better QB than Richardson…
How and why do you believe in Richardson as a passer??? Just give me 2… 2 good reasons…
Richardson couldn’t hit 60% completion, extrapolate his numbers and you get 3000 yards and 12 TDs… out of all the QBs in the NFL the only QB with a worst 4 games was Fields… Minshew had a better first 4 games as a rookie…
He injured his throwing shoulde and sat on the bench for 8 months looking at an IPad…
How is he going to improve? How is he an even decent NFL QB? He’s Daniel Jones that runs better, he’s a great RB that can kind of throw
Who to keep- McBride in the 15th or London in the 7th?
McBride all day
London no question
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Malik nabers is way too high…
I'm in on Pittman. Out on Kupp.
I'm only a little worried about it.
Word is Kupp is killing camp!
These guys are massive dorks
duh
My 19:25 Bears WR take is that Rome will finish as the WR1 in production
Won’t happen
I’m not touching Olave…. Dudes was a bust last year and nothing changed this offseason.. don’t draft that homeless guy..
out on nabers.....you have to remember it's Daniel Jones throwing the football.....he is TERRIBLE!!!!!