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@@newschannelrfna6896 y’all always say this but the women who watch these vids and get this type of content recommended to them are actually interested. there are already looksmaxxing forums that are centered around women and so far i’ve seen no outrage. to be fair both men and women who are not concerned with “looksmaxxing” may look at these vids and think it’s weird at most.
My cousin who is a gynecologist looks like one of the guys in category 8. He has a hot wife and 5 kids. All the nurses still drool over him even tho he is 42. The guy still runs marathons with his wife.
@@activatekruger446 :)) I never asked. He was always very sucessful with the ladies and that is in part why he became a gynecologist. He won the gentic lottery I guess, his mother and father are both obese and kinda ugly ngl.
This guy's opinion at just that, an opinion. Him saying some guy's flaw is his eyebrows aren't dark enough is just absurd. Some of these qualifications are autism level of obsessive.
agreed. For example, most of the dudes he gave 6 I'd give a 7 and vice versa. I remember watching a couple of Hamza's videos and all this blackpill or whatever, shit started to get into my recommendations. And the more I watched the more I realized how fucked up it is, they literally will count the amount of hairs on your eyebrows to "mathematically" rate ur attractiveness, its just wild.
@@dakkano people have different tastes, doesn't mean anyone's wrong or right, but this guy makes whole videos breaking it down so I feel like it makes more sense that way
@@X_ASuccessor Well, I guess u can do some general rationalized ratings on face attractiveness, but it is, again, extremely general and doesn't consider (it just possibly can not ) a billion of things that can not be really mathematically explained. U just said it yourself, different tastes for example. And not only looks get people attraction, it is also character, behavior, believes etc. Looks do come first to make a first impression, but it goes beyond after that. Yes, he did a video, and here are the results, but they are, again, general, and whole point of the video literally stands on some made up "pretty/not pretty" standards (as far as I understand it is not him who made them up, but anyway), so it is just kinda falls apart imo. I am not shitting on these people and on this guy, but I think they just take it waaaay too seriously. It is like they would try to control the amount of breaths they take a day if it would improve their, so called, attractivness
This is one the BEST content every created for men. I have NEVER seen this before and I am 50 years old. This is absolute GOLD for any men who are seeking this content.
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Facts like he deserves a wayy higher following, I’m not black pilled but I personally follow him for his content and perspectives on attractiveness this is golden content.
Most classes are boring because, as students, the concepts that we learn sometimes cannot be related to real life. In contrast, something like this is using stats concepts about something deemed interesting works out in the end.
Food for thought. Technically speaking the data is somewhat biased due to the data collection method as people who go for your rating already suspect that they might not look as good (i.e. less success in dating). So your sample will miss out on more subjects that are naturally attractive, as they would not pick up your services or watch this channel.
I think it is the opposite, I was really into lookism about half a decade ago, most guys there were good looking, they just had psychological issues. Unfortunately I'm not one of those, I'm both ugly and have psychological issues. I have a horrid feature that is fixable, but I need money. The first thing I took care of was my mental state, after 1 and a half years of therapy I found a gf, really nice looking girl, but not high quality. I'm 6'3 and that's probably what caused that. The people on lookism try to explain why they don't have success with women. Concentrating on looks. In the real world, if you can function properly with people you can skew your rating in a number of ways. Usually I'll go up 1 point, in the best case 2 point - and again you can't surpass 8, unless you have a movie start or something. The black/red pill is true, but you can't let it control your life, you have to commit despite the pills. These are as unbiased as rating can go, fortunately for us, women aren't as biased. So you might have some luck. And as I said, the social aspect when used correctly will lead to success.
I got rated a 7 by wheat waffles. As an experiment, I set up a tinder profile with the same pics I sent him. It's only been a week - I only match overweight/homely women and have yet to match with a women who is objectively "cute" (5/10+). and that's with using all my swipes the past 7 days. Let that sink in folks. This proves that in online dating (at least tinder), women shoot a full 3-4+ points above their ranking as "minimum necessary" for a match. EDIT: Went through a full photo optimization, finally matching with fairly attractive women consistenly. better luck on bumble though. I probably look like an ~8 in my photos. 8-threshold theory is legit. matches shot through the roof.
@@daysgoneby3527 Meh... I'd say forget about online dating. Almost all people there are super shallow anyways. Look around yourself, I'm sure you'll find someone fairly easily. You're easily in the top 10-15%.
I’m a powerlifter, with a jacked build but higher body fat (around 23%). It’s a weird dynamic to have a large face but a body that totally makes it make sense. While the research into this is pretty impressive, there are limitations to this type of data.
Honestly, I think the jury is still out whether an ultra-low body fat % is even attractive to most women. From what I gather, the 15-20% range with solid muscle volume and definition is much more preferable than some ultra shredded and jacked guy at 10% body fat. Not to mention you feel like absolute garbage, nor is it healthy, to cut that much to reach the low double digits, high single digits body fat.
I feel like another important factor to consider is height. I feel like a part 2 of this would be very helpful to determine how much height effects attractiveness. Does being short really matter and is their a point where being too tall starts to effect negatively? Hopefully someone sees this!
I knew 2 brilliant engineers who were about 5' 5" & could not get a date to save their life, anyone. They had money, status, high IQ, decent facial looks, & athletic bodies. But they simply could not overcome being "too short" for all American women.
I feel like when it comes to the statement “guys age like fine wine,” that would only apply if 1) you have godly genetics or 2)you take care of yourself when it comes to diet, exercise, sleep and overall lifestyle throughout your life to prevent things such as weigh gain and possible health affects that effect your physical attraction.
it's a myth. Cuz 1) women age far worse (so we age well in comparison) and 2) women dont care about looks that much as we do. Status is just as if not more important and there you are usually best in your late 30's or 40s maybe even 50s Lookwise you are best at 25-30. So the compromise is somewhere between 30-40
@@pingu6028 False. You're not attracted to men so you only think men age better. As a woman, I can say no, you don't. Men lose their attractiveness enormously with age.
@@vgloveforlife I think you missread my comment. Nobody ages well but men age less bad in comparison --> thats why the myth of "aging like fine wine" even emerged cuz relatively speaking we win some ground
Men generally age worse and spoil much faster. Collagen loss and baldness rape men of their looks. Gender roles and different lifestyle play a huge role. Testosterone promotes aging, premature greying, and sub optimal testosterone levels make it hard to maintaining robustness and vigor. A man's life is more competitive, resulting in higher stress levels, which leads to more cortisol spikes caused by more negative experiences. On average a man's life is devoid of the constant dopamine releases from positive experiences that women experience. Most men due to looks, height, income are trapped at the bottom quintile on Maslow hierarchy needs chart. Society is Gynocentristic and value women more, thus they are born in the middle, two levels above by default.
@@vgloveforlife Oh yeah this is because grandpa Johnny Depp is being simped over by millions of women from all ages, right? And he's in his 60s. Status, money, and prestige trumps aging for men, especially if the guy is able to maintain a decent looking body and has style.
I thought theory 2 made the most sense. Some of the faces you rated low weren't that bad looking in my opinion. And some you rated highly weren't that attractive. Just goes to show that beauty is pretty subjective.
@@bighands69 no.. i was puzzled by this.. women actually prefer feminine boyish men. It's supply and demand not media brainwashing. That is why Beiber and k-pop are so famous. You can see many women simping for them. It's female gaze. You just project male gaze. Ofcourse it has to be savage feminine looks and has to be 180 cm. I think women go for these types first. I checked with lot of women too. Women are turned off by short, too masculine men.
@@bighands69 Beauty is subjective. You think it is objective because you follow what the society have already set. Nowadays women with big lips, curvy body is considered attractive but remember 10-15 years ago it was thin lips and slim body that was considered the most desired. And let's not talk about race/ethnicity, back in the days some people were automatically considered under 5 just because they were dark. Influencer is a job for a reason, remember that.
That's interesting is that no matter where you fall on the scale, everyone is sliding down it. In my 20's I was about an 8, and then time ticked on and I slid down it, and at 52 I am sub 3. Everyone is the same, even if they are a "10" right now. It's all temporary, so enjoy it while you have it, and know it's all temporary so don't get attached to it.
If I'm honest, when a Chad had bought my product, I did question why he's watching my videos in the first place. Some of them were aspiring male models and were looking for small pieces of feedback in terms of improving their looks
@@WheatWaffles So then your rating service effectively just separates the normies from the sub-5s? Both those sub-8 groups are screwed...one faces certain life-long inceldom and the other faces life-long exploitation by women who have no genuine attraction for them...
I think the older men scored lower because they’re supposed to have their life together at 30+, and they’re still watching blackpill content at that age making them more likely to be truecel rejects.
I watch this content even though I have unlimited options if I want to be beta bux, or even getting naturally with an average-looking woman, but I just don't give a fuck, I simply choose not to...
I'd give myself a 6. I have a good face, a good body because I work out a lot and I have a six pack. But my height brings my score down quite a bit. I'm 5'7 so I'm not the tallest. Women are incredibly fussy in the Western world, so you can have a good face, good body, but if you have one flaw such as lack of height, that's it, they're not interested. When I have been to other countries such as in Asia and Latin America, I have gotten so much attention from women it was crazy. I had women approaching me asking if I was single. So I don't think I'm ugly. The women in the West are just incredibly harsh on men.
Face rating is different to SMV rating which can be measured by counting how many IOI's you receive from young women who are _strangers_ to you. This is really the only way you can calculate your total SMV. Face rating is important but it doesn't take into account height and lets say aspergers.
@@sldflhsdk2325 Yeah I can get loads of matches on dating sites if I use my face pics but just lie about my height. In real life, I've had girls say to me "You're so cute, why did you have to be short?" Some of these girls were way shorter than me which kinda pisses me off. Girls who are 5'3 want a dude who is 6'5. I can do nothing about my height. So it's actually easier if I just go to other countries. I get loads of attention from girls, I don't even have to try. And I can attract much better quality women in terms of looks and personality in other countries than in the West. The Western dating market is just so screwed up and rigged against men. You really don't have to be ugly to end up with nothing. You can have the face, the body, the style, but if you have one flaw such as being a bit short, you're basically written off. So it's best to go to places where the dating market is better. Western women's expectations are just insane. You have to be near to perfect to live up to it. And the worst part is, in the Western world we have the worst women of any society in the world. You have to basically be a perfect man for very, very flawed women. It's just not worth it. It's like paying $1 million for a crappy little one bedroom apartment. It's best just to take your $1million and spend it on a better property in a more favorable market. It's like that in dating. Western dating market is a woman's market, not a man's market.
@@BasedBill_Lumbergh also a 6/7 at 5'-6"....yup I'd say you're an 8 but prob the jbw is boosting you up a bit in other places which is fine. The fact that we have to search elsewhere for affection is brutal but thats why moneymaxxing is a must first. I'm light brown so no places that will boost me up maybe except Russia/Belarus.
I consider myself a 6 with my biggest flaw being my upper eyelid exposure. I'm almost afraid to take one of these face rating analyses to find out I'm actually a 4 or 5. I think I'm at least a 5 or 6 because I'm not wholly invisible to women. The gym body thing really does help. I was skinny most of my life and I packed on a bunch of muscle when I was in the marine corps that I've maintained even to this day. Even if most women won't find you attractive, they'll still subconsciously respect a strong and fit man more so than a skinny or fat dude. Even if you have a low ceiling guys, it's still worth gym maxing for your own mental and physical health at the very least.
Can someone explain why upper eyelids are unattractive? I’ve never seen it as such, in fact relaxed eyes that expose more eyelids seem attractive to me
I thought I'd be a 6 as well b/c of gym bod - etc. Ironically I was a model from age 28 - 39. I'm now 59. I scored a 4, with the in-depth analysis being my age counting against me, as well as receding hair line. I'm going to do a consult as he told me I had the potential to go up to a 6, which is where I feel I could be. In short my experience with this has boosted my confidence because I feel I can take my own attractiveness into my hands and have an impact by following certian protocols. Very empowering!
How very interesting and well put together. I'd also like to see a female version, but I bet if you performed the same analysis for women, there would certainly be some outrage.
@Breathwork babe You don't need men' opinions when all you need is a vag-high-na and not be obese for any and all men to want to sleep with you, it's in our genes. If you're ugly you can just slap paint (make-up) over your face, redo your eyebrows, apply fake eyelashes, hair extensions and nails etc... Just need not to be overweight and good job.
The reason only so few guys over 40 have bought your program is that, fewer guys at 40 whether average or above average are still preoccupied with this topic and are either settled down with a wife or are divorced with kids. And the small number that do watch these videos are on the spectrum (and not in a good way like a genius) and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy of circular reasoning.
I'm 42 and watch WW because I find his approach interesting. I really don't care what WW would rate me as I successfully dated in my 20s and 30s and have been in a long-term relationship for almost five years. WW does provide good general advice to improve your chances though, although there are better resources out there to improve your style if you're over 30. Unless you're a 9+, looks only gets your foot in the door, but only personality opens it.
You also have to take into account not everyone in these categories is equal. Everyone in these categories has different ceilings For example you told me I’m a 5 because of some flaws that are fixable through soft looksmaxing and that I was basically only those things away from being an “easy 6”. Where as the guy who was a 3 that has looksmaxed his way to a 5 has 5 as the ceiling. For example a 4 or 5 with slight recession of hairline and really bad acne, a bad hair cut (etc) may have a much easier time looks maxing to a 6 or 7 than a 5 that has NCT, a sub par jaw etc, which might mean 5 is his peak. 3 that’s a 3 because he’s overweight will have a much easier time getting to average tier than a 3 that’s a 3 because he has significant facial flaws.
That's a good point. It makes me wonder if one ever assigns a looks rating that perhaps one should assign the person a "looks range" rating, like rating someone a "4-6", where 4 is the worst rating under "unmaintained" circumstances with reasonable limits (expectations of basic hygiene and normal body weight) and 6 being the ceiling assuming all improvements are made. A "ranged" rating would also likely complicate things further though, but it is an idea. It would help illustrate the difference between someone who starts out as a 5 and someone who can really ever hope to be a 5, like you said, if that makes sense.
@@murkywaters5502 generally speaking I think most of the time you can be given a 1-10 rating that’s pretty accurate. Like as in maybe 75% of people will see you as that. With 12.5% seeing you as being more attractive, and 12.5% seeing you as being less attractive for whatever reason. So a 5 will be a 5 to roughly 3/4 women, but if we expand it to 10 women he will be a 5 to about 7 or 8 of them with 1 or 2 thinking he’s less than a 5, and 1 or 2 thinking he’s a 6 or maybe a 7. This is where you see the saying “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” because there is “some” truth to it. But generally speaking most people will see you as your rating and rarely will someone see you out of your range. Like maybe 1 in 100 girls would consider you an 8 if you’re a 5 because you have certain features she likes or whatever. Just like most people if they are being realistic aren’t going to say that a guy whose a 5 is hideous or a 3 but maybe 1 in 100 girls will think he is for whatever reason.
The more I watch blackpilled content the more I realize how absurdly important leanmaxing is. Instead of learning "game" and putting myself "out there" and showing interest, I should have been dieting, fasting and going to the gym while waiting for IOI's from women. I'm late 30's with health problems so it's mostly over now though.
The only problem with waiting for signs of interest from women is a lot of the time they aren't the women you truly want to be with anyway so 'putting yourself out there' is kind of required, plus it's pointless getting signs of interest from women if you can't capatlize on them, most attractive women aren't going to make it obvious or easy for you even if they are keen, it needs to be tackled from every avenue!
Just focus on making your life better than it is, and see where your journey will take you. 25% of men will be childless, so learning to deal with this is going to be a lesson for some.
Unless you're a 9+, you definitely need to work on your charisma and put yourself out there. Looks get your foot in the door, but you need the personality to open the.door.
Have you segmented attractiveness based on geo regions of the world? As an Asian man, going back to Asia usually upped my chances to score very attractive encounters but in the western world (EU and North America) is like pulling teeth. Asian is somehow more accepted in LATAM due to the population of KPop and can score higher level females due to some other biases not present in South America.
Geo-maxxing is certainly a thing for everyone, but this face rating only quantifies a white mans perspective based on his observed reactions by women (likely majority white) in UK I think.
@@charlottedelabaere oh you definitely can get easy access in South East Asia, harder for you in China, SK, and Japan now. Too many broke backpackers been thru those places and spoiled the white image in those top tier Asian countries. If you go to their countryside you will still find some good quality that has not been jaded. Thailand is slowly getting to that point. In LATAM, most western expats are seen as ATMs and not serious long term material due to how transient we are.
Lmao, that would take ages, it took me 12 hours to compile 1000 ratings into this spreadsheet, I may do a video in future analysing more data, eg. do guys become more overweight as they age? How does weight compare with ethnicity?
@@WheatWaffles It's interesting how most of these numbers make TOTAL sense when you see them. For instance NW3 and beyond being worse than shaving your head. Better to look bald than "sickly" or maybe "withered" is a better word. Also interesting how people feel attracted to good looking people when they are aware of that the good looking features are fake (i.e. implants, lip fillers, hair transplants etc). It shows that we are to a certain degree slaves to our instincts, no matter how rational we try to be.
Wheat Waffles if I were you wheat I’d compile data and add to the spread sheet at the end of each week. This data is highly valuable and could make you a huge asset going forward in the community. Imagine if you had a sample size of 5000+ men that would be huge
@@UnknownUser-nu8ny agreed I think maintaining a spread sheet with the data is incredibly valuable, not only for us but also for Wheat, since it's quite a unique data base.
@ghoul artist Severe Acne its brutal and yes it loses probably alot of point like its gonna lose more for Chad than you for those above 6 gonna become 4s or 4.5 those 7 are 5s 8s are 5.5 probably and 9s and 10 are 6 somewhere .
This is actually amazing statistical work. Awesome work!!! While at first a gut punch I can see how the data plays out. In my late 30s I had many many options....fast forward to 50s - no longer jacked body, borderline overweight, now norwood 6. I've lost maybe 3 points. DAMN. Reality sucks.
And how about when you was in your 20s ? Some people like Caleb Jones say that you peak as a male arround 37 years old. Because according to my own experience, when I was 15-19 I was treated like justin bieber in college (I am 7/10 face, 1m85 height), then during 19-23 I think despite I think I am "good looking" I don't have so many option and power in relationships. But since I am 24 and soon 25, I think women are more and more aware of me. Maybe because I am currently becoming a real man and girls see me as a potential partner. For me the perfect age for a men is arround 26-37 years old. The worst period is 19-23 years old. 37-55 is ok. Above 60+ it is very difficult to have a attractive girlfriend (unless you are rich)
@@charlottedelabaere same observation here, im in China, and girls consider status way too important, so it is not rare to see young girls, with much older guys. even among billionaires or celebrities. just check the couple : Zhang Zetian (28) Liu Qiandong (48) both billionaires. and 20 years difference, in spite of her having so much choice, she still chose a way older man
Very good video. You gave me a 4, but being over 6 foot probably gives me a point and getting a gym bod will probably give me another point again buuuuut then age and hair loss will probably slam me right back down into 4 territory. Absolutely brutal and unforgiving. Thanks for making this
@@Prescotmills8732 I consider 4 a normie lite just as a 7 is a chad lite. They’re the bridges between worlds, so to speak. In reality perception of most people has a two point range from what I’ve seen. A 4 is the lowest I’ve ever been called in my life even before wheat. While 6 is the highest. Anyway thank you for your words
He explained in the video, guys that are 8s are subjective, their objectively beautiful but some dudes have other features that can be more desirable, for example, blue eyes, jacked, white skin, etc. he put them at 8s to show that only 13 people are considered hot to the public, also to be a 10, you got to be 6’5 white model, I don’t think guys like that exists and watch blackpill videos instead of hooking up with Stacy
I’m 5 foot and im 21 so whenever a girl I meet for the first time always base my actually person without even having to know me. I can feel it has always played a role in my life and women never take me serious as looking at me to be a partner. I can be funny and I like to have a open mind about anything and I’m even confident in my height. I feel it’s just always overlooked on my stature and girls automatically don’t get attracted because they want a more “masculine” guy. We can have the same interests and connect so easily but never look at me as a potential partner. I just want someone to love me for who I am as a person and not wish for better whether it be lust or just wanting ‘someone more comforting.’ I look for in a woman that will make me feel happy and that’s outgoing and that I know that they love me for who I am and not what i look like. Even if the stereotypes don’t match up. I’ve tried dating shorter women but 99% of the ones always look for a guy they can “look up too.” A lot of the woman I’ve met so far and had so many mutual interests have always been more than +5 inches taller than me so when we can relate so much I’m never on the spectrum of the guy they want to have a relationship with. It’s hard for me to have a connection anymore not because of my looks…most of them think I’m handsome or cute but just always looked over because of my stature. I don’t even care about looks or height or if she’s super tall, just someone who likes me for who I AM and not what my stature is. It hurts me as a man and im so young but my heart feels so old anymore. It’s starting to hurt me mentally and idk if I can really take it much more, this is the only time i opened up about and it’s been consuming for most of my life….Idk how to keep living really…maybe I want to just be loved too.
Stay strong man, you’re still very young, live your life, build your career. You’ll get your chance someday just don’t miss it. And don’t listen to the stupid advice about a surgery. It’s better to be a healthy 5’0 than crippled 5’2. There s plenty of 5’0 guys who are happily married, I’ve just recently heard about one.
Your stature is not you, but it still is a part of you. If women aren't attracted to it, they simply won't be attracted to you, and you cannot demand or force attraction from them simply because you want it, or think you deserve it. This is basically the same type of "What I bring do the table? I AM the table!", that you're the prize, and that the stuff people are actually attracted to don't matter. It may be harsh, but that is simply how things work.
I want to thank you for your content dude. Some liberating shit honestly. I always thought there was something wrong in my personality or i haven't been working hard enough to "deserve" the attention of girls. Now that i have no expectations, i can fully enjoy my life, not thinking about attracting someone. You're destroying the narrative that is pushed on everyone (especially guys). Most i can do is looksmax, enjoy my life, do my best and be kind. Nothing else can be done. I salute you.
The truth sets you free. Now you know what not to waste your time on and to just do the best you can in life instead of holding onto false hopes. False hopes where either due to self-deception or the lies peddled by women-centric society (to be appear more virtuous or serve only themselves) leave you not quite connecting the dots, but yet, feeling the madness slowly growing by the day. Like you said: just because a woman doesn't find you attractive, and make it seems like you're a bad person, doesn't mean you're actually a bad, crazy person that has something to work on (beyond reasonable expectations).
You can looksmax + work on your swag (the way your voice sounds and the way you look girls in their eyes) + maximize your leads through talking to as many girls as possible + maximize your logistics (living next to a night club will get you laid more often then living in a village). You can actually do a ton 😂
@@bobbadman1551 i better get started then lol On the last point at least i got luck in that instead of living in bumfuck nowhere. Then things would definitely be over lmao
@@Tommy-t1g i’m happy for your logistics 🤣 Yeah man from my own experience as a 5‘7 dude there is a lot you can do and it’s usually a mix of looks, pickup and strategies. About looks you have to be smart: If your jaw is weak get the right beard and trim the sides of your hair to 1mm. If your eyebrows are sparse also trim the sides of your hair to make your eyebrows appear stronger. Train your neck since the neck is a part of face (only for men). If you are short there are other things you can do like in my case. If you are fat get lean and so on. From there i would add working your swag and expect to get rejected a lot in the first 6-12 months depending on how awkward you come across, while being a little awkward is honestly normal for most average dudes in the beginning.
You should make a video about looksmaxing potential and how just because guys are rated the same number it doesn't mean they can reach the same rating after looksmaxing.
I never felt photos, where a good definitive measure for attractiveness. Unless you mean superficial minded people which most of us are more or less, then yeah this matters. I think attractiveness changes when the person is fully animated in real time, and personality is included, that definitely matters as much as someone being photogenic. I’ve seen attractiveness change when the voice or movements along with certain characteristics unique to the person are added to the overall equation after being realized in real time by the observer. An unanimated person can be less or more attractive once every other aspect to attractiveness deeper then physical appearance, is fully analyzed and realized and even then it’s still relative in a sea of opinions. A person can be skinny gangly, but also be extremely attractive it’s all in how it’s packaged.
Couldn't agree more. I've been looking like dogshit at some times in my life, with women drooling over me in certain scenarios. Confidence does a lot and how you present yourself in real life can change how people view you radically. Generally from my experience the thing that tends to change perceptions the most is trajectory in life, if you suddenly got a massive pay raise or promotion, got into a new field where the opportunity for growth is massive suddenly you jump up like 2 points. Having more money, or a higher pay or a great education doesn't do that much from my perspective. But when you've just received it, or had a big upgrade in your life it does. I definitely think it's true that young women often go for potential. Just because someone is more attractive, has a better job, better social skills etc doesn't mean they won't go for the loser who has high potential in their eyes.
Some features are also more photogenic than others. Having a rounder face shape, will make you look worse in pictures. There are several factors when taking pictures which can determine how attractive you look. Angles for example, can make or break a picture. There are also things like the focal width of the camera. Having a rounder face, will make you look heavier in most pictures because of a larger focal width. Rounder shapes are also more prone to camera distortion. This is why people with angular faces tend to be even more attractive in pictures, while they might just be above average or even average in real life. I have pictures of myself where I look way more attractive than I actually am and where I look way worse than I actually do. This isn't getting talked about enough though.
@@Thomas48484 I know what you mean. I also seen the opposite. Some people are not photogenic, but you meet them in person and they are prettier or real handsome in real life. I'm like that as well, I'm not model type photogenic in pix but have been told I'm much prettier in person than the pics as a woman. It's weird, I don't know why that is.
I actually think this is very helpful. Numbers fairly in line with what I expected. I woulda expected the 8+ category to be more than 1.3%. In real world I'd say they make up 6% but they know they are good looking and insecure so they'd never let you judge them.
This is it! In my eyes the sample size might be good, but only those people who know black pill /wheat waffle and are insecure (is that the right word?) enough to let them be rated are participating in this sample. So it's not a randomized group
agree with that but than again it's how he scores. Personally I wouldnt agree that 8 is highest. There are levels between over average, good looking and extremely good looking so at least something like a 9 should exist. However, I'm not sure if a 9 would ever watch blackpill content
For men that lack confidence it may actually be a reality check for them to see where they lay in terms of looks. Most of them have very little means to gauge where they are in terms of looks.
The very first thing you'll find in the description in big, capitalized letters is that he didn't use any customer's photos. He didn't charge any of the people seen in the video a dime. I'm gonna give you some honest advice here, and that's to check and verify that what you're saying is indeed correct.
All women are aware what absolute top tier guys look like now. Back in the day a woman would go her whole life seeing a high tier normie as the most handsome man. These days 80% of men are seen as below average. Number 3 is the correct chart imo
I agree. Bc men have a bias towards some other men. He does it on symmetry, but i don't think women think like that. He has good points, but i can see someone he says is a 6 be a 8/9 to some women. Some women i know even hate the chad look.. i'd like to see him break down preference. Sure, i like some model women, but even some models i would rate 6 outside my prefernce... where a nerdy girl that may be a 6 in his scale.. is hot as hell to me bc i like that look. Maybe he's covered that, new here, but i haven't seen it yet.
From what I’ve noticed going out to bars, I feel like the average face/jacked type of guy does the best with women. That’s ideally what they want because they want a nice body but you can’t be prettier than them
because aging is a disease. Its a loss of cell analogical information. To stop this, learn methods of David Sinclair. Probably the best advice is eat less in total and less often, less protein.
@Valerio Del Buono its because the chronological age number doesn't mean shit, its the physical age of your body. You could be 50, but have the physical body health of 35.
I got excited when you said you were going to include different ethnicities in the rating examples. I was disappointed to find it still consisting mostly of white guys and barely any black guys. Seeing that a large amount of your viewers are ethnic we would appreciate it if you made a video where you rate guys of all ethnicities at the different levels. It would be so kuch easier to compare our selves that way.
He had a bigger pool from the black side though. Also its hard for him to rate black as well without being inherently bais. It's prob easier to default on white
@@mario125ww if you were black, you would also want to see him rate ppl that look similar to you. But you're probably white so it doesn't matter to you because he already does.
@@batmansteel778 I'm black but I can understand how it can be uncomfortable for him being white so he might just avoid it. In the data, he had more black people than any other race.
He based his data on those who purchased a rating from him, and since mostly white guys bought one they were the largest sample simple as that. If you want the data to include more black guys you need to submit yourself into the data.
This video gave my confidence back, i used to be very athletic when i was 14. I used to play football(soccer) every single day, at that time after a school event i was aproached(indirectly) by 4 girls, which i turned them down because at that time i was focused on being a normal kid, i used to get a lot of compliments about my looks, fast foward 5 years i'm underweight(about 26%-27% BF), im also short(164cm/5'4). I noticed i had to change after a teacher told me: "if i were i girl i would only date you after getting wasted" that sentence traumatized me, i had constant thoughts about my looks and appearance. Im currently working out and doing my best to be the best version of me again and this video showed me i can be myself again if i work hard. Thank you! Sorry if i made any grammatical mistakes my native language is portuguese.
Please don't take what this dude says to heart. You can be underweight, overweight, short, tall, and still find an awesome girl. Perhaps not much in terms of one-night-stands, but definitely in terms of relationships. As much as this guy would argue this isn't true, at least in my world view, the way you carry yourself and your personality is a much bigger factor in charming a girl. More so than looks, more so than money. Just think about it, how often do you see an overweight average looking dude with a really pretty girl, for me, I see it very often. I have personally also always dated girls at least a league above me. This also depends heavily on the type of girl you are chasing, of course. This primarily applies for the average girl, the one who doesn't get a crazy amount of attention already.
Here is what I have noticed from personal experience. You don't need to compare your face to anyone else. Compare it to your own. I saw that my face looked better when i had no fat compared to when i gained fat due to being in lockdown.
great content bro there’s probably a slight bias as a lot of more attractive dudes wouldn’t have someone rate their face bc they already assume they’re attractive enough but still great video and helpful data
@@addy3164 Well it kind of seems like every guy is around a 4 or 5 so theoretically getting fat is minus 2-3 points, which gives you quite the amount of points back
Totally true. Once I started working out on a regular basis, especially training my upper body strength I didn't even lose much weight but traded fat for muscle. But it definitely has an effect on some women.
I’m tall, jacked, still a good hairline at 42. Can’t get the attention of women under the age of 40. My face is a 5. Face is everything. It doesn’t matter that my body is better than 95 percent of men of all ages.
not entirely. I've known women who just really like bodies more than faces. It's not that uncommon but yes, the majority still goes for the face. Sorry bud :(
Women, like men, aren't stupid given that they've inherited the same genes from their parents as their brothers. So yeah, women are going to think about the mental health of their potential kids when weighing up the face of their gene donor.
Sounds like you're just waiting around for something good to come along dude rather than going after what you want with women, when was the last time you tried hitting on a woman you found really attractive in real life?
Just go on seeking arrangements and just accept you will have to be beta bux man... if you are what you say you are, you will have a lot of offers..No woman in their 20's is ever going to truly love you if that's what you're hoping for
Agreed. I slayed the most and best poon from age 26-32 (during my residency while I lived in Hawaii), although inviting girls straight over and life overall is just easier in my mid to late 30s.
Awesome video, the content is purely empirical and to the point. I wish more people were aware of your channel, sadly the majority of humanity refuses to acknowledge uncomfortable realities of the world (lookism, religion, etc.). You have my respect
Regarding the age part, I think the SMV increase is not in looks. For instance say Jake is an 8 in looks at 22, but broke, unconfident and without a lot going on…which is normal as a young guy figuring out the world. Say he gets to 33, takes care of his fitness, gets on a hair loss regimen early and is a 7.5 lookswise, BUT he also fixed his finances, has a more exciting lifestyle and carries himself better. Imo the improvement in those areas would more than compensate for the slight dip in looks. Key part being you work to improve yourself and don’t neglect your looks.
Several theories I had were confirmed, while others disproofed: 1- I was right about the majority beign average, with the extremes beign minorities... 2- It is true that men age like Wine, but Only when compared to Women, because its still Aging nonetheless... 3- I'm working on my weight issues, even if I can't reach Chad status ripped, I'll get as close as I can no matter what. Wether I decide to compete or not (mgtow) it will Only be a benefit in the end... 4- Nice tip about the baldness, just get rit off it instead of clinging to 1 or 2 hairs... Great content as always. The only thing missing in detail was estature/height, but we all know that less then 6.0 feet chances decrease exponentially ... Thanks for the awesome content and keep up the good work
If you look at older generations it was very common for the male to be older than the female by several years. The reason for that was the fact the men were already mature and were economically active when the women become involved with the man. Women by and large would not select men with no money and ability to marry.
i really appreciate what you're doing. i cant wait to use your service. i am still a bit overweight, but when i lose the weight, i will use the service to get my "true rating", adjusted for weight.
Incredible work, especially about the age. It always struck me as nonsense, if men were at their peak in their 30's they would be having sex with all the hot 18 year old tiktoks girls. But they are not. I feel proud to have a received a 6 at the age of 35. Damned I could have been a chadlite in my twenties had I not had severe depression. I wish more young men would see your content.
Anecdotally my dating peak was my mid-30s as I dated women between 19-42, while in my mid-20s it was really just 18-26. It is harder to get the younger girls in your mid-30s, but if you actually want to date for a relationship, they usually don't have enough in common to maintain long-term interest, so thosea little closer in age are better. Women 25+ was the ideal range.
I like your system and once again feel you are generally accurate with your rating. The skinny thing really does lead to rejection. I get night and day different results with an extra 10 to 15 lbs of mostly muscle.
The problem with this is that the way you obtained this data constitutes a clear case of selection bias. The majority of men looking for your service are men who are unsatisfied with their looks. Because of this, there is likely a sizeable difference between whats shown by this data and reality.
There is a certain dynamic with extreme weight loss that I have observed. For some people who have lost a 100 or more pounds, the changes to their appearance after weight loss are minimal aside from them being smaller. After getting some of these black pill insights with respect to looks, I have thought that this is because their underlying facial bone structure is mediocre to below average. For others after weight loss, the changes to their appearance are so drastic they look like a completely different person. They'll often get comments from people they know saying how drastically different they look. I'm wondering if anyone else has noticed this dynamic and whether inherent aesthetic qualities have anything to do with it?
@@capo4ever334 I'm 6'-3" and was 387-pounds at my heaviest. I started getting regular comments from people after the first 50-pounds of weight-loss. When I was around 220, I had met up with a friend I hadn't seen in a few years at a restaurant. He was shocked at the changes, and this is only one of many examples. One of WW's videos where he explains the best experiment to test if you're sub-five or not is to observe the automattic reactions and micro-expressions from the women you exchange gaze with in passing. I never got looks of disgust or anger, even while obese, I just felt invisible by-and-large. Now I often get smiles and "Hey."(s) from people I don't even know. And I often automatically dismiss these reactions as politeness and signals of social calibration on the part of these people, especially women, but I've never got that kind of treatment at 387-pounds, and I think I'll never truly get used to it. "incels" who are morbidly obese who tell themselves "it's over" really need to bite the bullet and get their weight down. They cannot possibly know what lies beneath the layers of fat and inflammation. I never knew I had a jawline or cheekbones until I lost 200-pounds. There's a chance there's nothing special there, but you'll still look better smaller-certainly feel better. Better enough to status-max and career-max at the very least. There's no solid case against being in better shape.
You’re right about bone structure being important. My brother lost 100 pounds and he has good facial structure and going through the perfect face series I realised he went from a 4-5 to a 6-7. But what’s crazy is even at his heavier weight you could see signs of promise if you knew about facial aesthetics. What’s funny is he now looks like an e-boy but people who have known him his whole life (been overweight far longer than he has been lean) knows he is far from that. So it’s fun meeting new people and seeing them think he’s a push-over or feminine dude. I’ve also noticed when some people lose weight they get told they look gaunt or their face looks sunken in and this is probably the phenomenon you’re alluding to. Losing weight is still great for the health reasons but in terms of facial aesthetics it can actually amplify flaws. Agree with the other poster in that before considering any procedures in terms of looksmaxing you have to get lean first to see what you’re working with.
@@Moshm4n lovely to hear my friend. 🙏🏾 the halo effect is real. I agree with everything you’ve said. You got to give yourself a chance by knowing what you’re working with if you’re overweight by doing the hard yards and dropping the excess weight.
Thanks for pointing the hairloss thing out. I'm in college and already losing hair due to a thyroid condition, hypothyroidism. I think it is caused by my adhd.
Hair Loss is nowhere near as big a deal as people make it out to be. If you are having thinning or receding hairline go with a tight clean hairstyle. Long hair will immediately show off such features. In terms of your hypothyroidism and ADHD I would suggest seeking out the field of functional medicine to try and address if there are any underlying reasons for this.
whenever you feel bad about yourself look at the 2. If you are a 2 and you feel bad about yourself, look at people who has lost limbs. If you are a guy who lost limbs, look at the people who are blind. If you are blind, look...well think about the people that are deaf and blind at the same time. If you are deaf and blind at the same time, think about the people that are deaf, blind and can't talk. If you are deaf, blind, can't talk, think about the people that are deaf, blind, can't talk and also have a serious disease. The point is that you should be grateful for your position in life, you are more than enough
If you're balding, you might look into a hair system, it radically changed my whole look and I look ten years younger. People regularly peg me as in my 20s. It's takes effort and time, but for those you are interested, it can be well worth it, it cannot be understated just how important hair is to a man's look.
true. it's a looks rating score; than an SMV score. It's also impossible, to give general SMV rating anyways; because the location factor for example has a MASSIVE impact on the SMV rating peoples.
Ethnicity would have an impact if they were dating out of their ethnicity, so technically ethnicity does have a small impact unless you're an ethnic guy targeting let's say a white women, which for some reason that seems to be the race of women you guys are mainly targeting and focus on.
As an Indian, I can guarantee you that ethnicity plays a bigger role than you think. I live in Bangalore and I've seen a lot of white guys in malls go out with well groomed Indian women who should be at least a 7 or an 8 in terms of looks(9 if I'm being generous), and what I've noticed is that most of them are tall and fair skinned. A lot of them had a receding hairline and a mediocre jaw and they're either average in build or have a dad bod. And if we put them through Wheat's facial analysis, they would be a 4 or 5 at best. Being tall and fair skinned is extremely valued here in India, and I'm willing to bet that India is not alone when it comes to this. White guys have a massive advantage when it comes to ethnicity, more than you realise
@@40mihirkulkarni44 then why most middle eastern women in my life say they prefer middle eastern guys over white dudes because they said white guys are boring looking no beards and feminine not masculine enough, and also in my city i always see black men with the white girls, u are just not attractive thats why u arent gettinf any girls , indians always look at me and want to be with me and i am from middle east im not white
Guys, wherever you are on this scale, always try to increase it, it will increase your attractivness so more women will be interested in you, it will increase the respect you get from others, it will make you healthier lots and lots of good things can happen to this as long as you don't use like plastic surgery or anything harmful like that
Back when you first stated posting, you had used a 1-10 scale that was linear. I said your scale was incorrect and that it should be a bell curve. Glad to see your sample corrected your misconception. That small self selected sample size, is just slightly off from what an expected result should be in a double blind random sample. A correct sample should have given approximately 70% getting a 4-7. And that is close to what you got.
I actually don't agree with the bell curve BS, though it is all subjective depending on who is doing the rating. I believe strongly that the 1-10 scale was designed to denote that a 10 falls into the top ten percent of all people in the looks department and a 1 is a person who falls into the 10% who is the least attractive. I think it basically comes down to subjective attractiveness as opposed to objective attractiveness. If you poll a person for an individual attractiveness rating without taking anything else into consideration that is SUBJECTIVE attractiveness. If you have 10 million people and rank them 1 to 10 million in attractiveness it is a linear process.
A population distribution across a small population sample will show that the very extremes such as a perfect 10 will not show up. To get more perfect 10 guys or gals the sample size would need to be 10 times larger. In a town of 10000 people you will find one or two perfect tens.
@@gordonramsdale in the video wheat waffles assumed it was linear. But women tend to think it is a list get 1 point for every one box you check off, so if you check off all the boxes you are a 10 But muck like everything else in the world that can be measured, it is a Bell Curve. The average of 1 and 10 is 5.5 Therefore 5.5 is the median with half above and half below. Median plus or minus 1 standard deviation is about 70%. Next standard deviation is 15% on each side.then next is a fraction of 1% So a ten and a one are the top and bottom fractional percentage of yhe best and worst. The term perfection ie perfect 10 is not a realist view, as mem/women can generally agree on an ideal. But there is a vast difference between each individual I can say person X is perfection (male and female) but you can disagree and say someone else is the ideal of that sex. So perfection as an objective term is not valid. You can really just have each person take a list of say 1000 people and arrange them in order worst to best assign them a number from 1 to 1000, and have several hundred people do the same, then arrange them from lowest to highest total points and then assign a value based on where they fall on the bell curve. Because if I asked you who you would say is the most beautiful woman on the planet you answer would almost certainly not be my answer, and even a top ten list or top 100 list would have almost no names in common. Just for curiosity sake not in specific order. Who would be your top 5 (you can't say your wife, girlfriend or mother, as a cop out)
The thing about this study is that people who are generally less attractive follow this channel and purchase the face ratings. So if you are a 4 or 5 on this rating system then you could be worse off in reality. I find it hard to believe that there are Norwood 5s or 6s who are above a 2.
There are a bunch of balding people that have god-tier facial genetics and when shaved off appear decent, not chad-tier but definitely around normie tier overall, definitely above 2 rofl. Though the vast majority, even when shaved off, muscular and with a beard won't look as good as they once were with hair (and if they were already around 5/10 then tough luck, I know this by experience, god bless hair transplants ahah)
Nah. I got rated a 5 by WW. And then went to other blackpillers and they rated me a 6 high tier normie. But yes WW generally overrates men, not me though
I have a hypothesis that the people born in the summer (especially june and july) have the most underdeveloped faces. Wheat Waffles, could you please check that hypothesis by running a questionnaire?
@@NoName12344o Personal observation. I am not 100% sure about that, but probably sunlight and food exposure of the mother is different throughout the year. Also, probably, the mother is less active during winter time. I think the beginning of the fetus development is the most important time. For people, who are born in the summer the fetus development falls into autumn and winter - the worst and most depressing period for humans, especially mother.
It's wild to me that at 5:41 for the example photo of the guy who changed his jaw that he only rated him as going from "A 3 to maybe a 5", further proof that beauty is ENTIRELY subjective. Like yes I would've rated the before somewhere between a 3-4, but in the after photo he is a definite 8 to me.
Nah. Attractiveness is very subjective. 2 guys you showed in your 8/10 Category I didn’t like at all to a point where I would not even consider them attractive. Same goes for any other point of the scale. You cannot judge attractiveness by any scale, nor by looking at „imperfections“.
The guys he put in 5 were way hotter than those he put in 8. Of the 4 guys in 8, i'm sure 3 of them were gay. I fell for a guy that does not qualify as a 10 on this chart, maybe a 4, but I see him as a 10 plus. Take this video with a grain of salt guys.
@@jeaniecameron295 Exactly, it's almost impossible to judge preference. For instance, one person may find a certain race unattractive... a whole race of people. They could be models, but in the person's eye's, unattractive. It's really hard to judge preference. Although, looks wise... maybe more girls do go for the what i call "model" look...so he has some points.
@@sayanagi Someone you would see in a modeling magazine. Although for women it's a little skewed, so let's say someone you would see in a modeling magazine before woke fat is hot stuff.
4:51 Top left guy is nowhere near bottom right guy's rating. I think it's better to extend the rating up to a 9 while that last point depends on subjective aspects.
@@JonJonJonJonJonJonJonJon Thats why he is mistaken because girls still can look for above these Chads 8 like Sean O pry or Chico Lachowski , Henry Cavill .
The one I disagree with is, I do think a lot of guys are at their most attractive in their 30s. Just out of the people I know in my life, they look better now than in their 20s. In their 20s they still looked like kids almost but now, their frames have filled out and their beards have come in. I think on average guys, being able to grow a good beard is a game changer, there's not a many people I've seen who it's not taken them up a point in their overall attractiveness rating. For most guys I would say the most attractive years are between 26-35. Younger, you're still looking like a kid (in most cases) and older, the negative effects of aging will bring you down.
Agree and disagree. I've met men who were 18-23 *i'm 25 btw* . And they looked way older and mature then me. Like, 30. But the dude was 20, looking a 30 year old model
totally in your late 20´s early 30´s most of guys get their peaks,if they stay fit,healthy etc..they reach the 40´s being more attractive than ever,also,women likes mature apparience as u say,more masculin, the 40´s is the real killer when u pass 40 u go down so fast and u can see it clearly in a lot of actors,if you want to age like that u need to act like them, caring about your skin,your meals,making sport etc..
Also, I’m in my later 30s and from what I find. It’s way easier for me to pick up chicks anywhere from 18 to 25. Wayyyy easier then when I was younger.
@@stairclimber6027 I guess cause I’m more stable with a career, my own place (no roommates) and made sure to go to the gym every day, thus preserving myself. I look younger then I am. Got a cool but inexpensive car. Can still go out and have fun at clubs with a date and fit in. That kinda stuff. It’s not hard at all. Nor is it expensive.
skinny build seems a bit more subjective than most points, plenty of women do seem to dig skinny builds over average, and some value average over skinny. seems to vary a fair bit.
Thank you for this insightful analysis. Let me nevertheless point out a limit. Intuitively, I would say that the sample used for the statistics is biases in itself, even if it is big. People interested in blackpill are necessarely people with a specific interest in improving their pickup skills, and therefore less attractive than average.
I always thought it would be along these lines: below 1th percentile = 2 or less below 10th percentile = 3 or less below 25th percentile = 4 or less 50th percentile = 5 above 75th percentile = 6 or more above 90th percentile = 7 or more above 99th percentile = 8 or mote 0 and 1 are people with actual deformities and defects. 9 and 10 are just 8s subjected to a girl's niche, one 8 might be an 10 to a girl and just an 8 to another.
I think it's more like 1-9 with a ten for being that persons type. I can very easily tell the difference between a 9 and an 8. I even can tell the difference down to .5's. so there being nothing higher than an 8 is cope.
being a chad over 30 is possible. tom cruise in 2000 as a 40 year old, david gandy , jeremy meeks , chris hemsworth until 35 was good looking (right now not anymore) or jason statham. i know blackpillers wanna say over 30 its not possible to be a chad from face, but its possible. but its less common i agree. i would say at 38- 40 it gets really hard. even good looking men got really bad at 38 - 40
I have actually seen one Chad in his 70s. (He murdered his wife to have affair with young acquitance, so there was a video on it) People in comment section were like- this is only good looking man in that age. Don't remember the name or video, but that was truly one of a kind specimen.
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@Valerio Del Buono You weren’t within the first 1000 orders man. I’ve completed 1300 now
what's the point of this if we're fucked anyways if we're ugly tho
You guy who made this video are a 0 i bet
3:49 is a 6 ?
Damn ! I think 7 is a fair rating for him.
im too scared. i want to but if i don't get an 9 or 10 i would cry.
As a woman, I would like to see a similar breakdown with women’s faces.
Y'all can't handle it. It will create an uproar
@@newschannelrfna6896 idc
@@newschannelrfna6896 so true
@@newschannelrfna6896 y’all always say this but the women who watch these vids and get this type of content recommended to them are actually interested. there are already looksmaxxing forums that are centered around women and so far i’ve seen no outrage. to be fair both men and women who are not concerned with “looksmaxxing” may look at these vids and think it’s weird at most.
As a man so would I
how to look attractive
rule no 1: be attractive
rule no 2 : don't be unattractive.
rule : have lots of money to spend on yourself
@@arslanduha gold diggers are worse
@@mh7a135He said on yourself surgeries etcetera
“Um no guys personality is actually what matters the most.”
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My cousin who is a gynecologist looks like one of the guys in category 8. He has a hot wife and 5 kids.
All the nurses still drool over him even tho he is 42. The guy still runs marathons with his wife.
Does he have hair
Lucky af.....
@@jimmyballer192 Yes. He has this italian look to him tbh, dark brown thick hair, also thick agressive looking darkeyebrows and blue eyes.
@@Brakka86 Do his patients coom while he examines them??
@@activatekruger446 :)) I never asked. He was always very sucessful with the ladies and that is in part why he became a gynecologist. He won the gentic lottery I guess, his mother and father are both obese and kinda ugly ngl.
This guy's opinion at just that, an opinion. Him saying some guy's flaw is his eyebrows aren't dark enough is just absurd. Some of these qualifications are autism level of obsessive.
agreed. For example, most of the dudes he gave 6 I'd give a 7 and vice versa. I remember watching a couple of Hamza's videos and all this blackpill or whatever, shit started to get into my recommendations. And the more I watched the more I realized how fucked up it is, they literally will count the amount of hairs on your eyebrows to "mathematically" rate ur attractiveness, its just wild.
@@dakkano I think they genuinely have some type of disorder or condition.
he ain't really wrong tho
@@dakkano people have different tastes, doesn't mean anyone's wrong or right, but this guy makes whole videos breaking it down so I feel like it makes more sense that way
@@X_ASuccessor Well, I guess u can do some general rationalized ratings on face attractiveness, but it is, again, extremely general and doesn't consider (it just possibly can not ) a billion of things that can not be really mathematically explained. U just said it yourself, different tastes for example. And not only looks get people attraction, it is also character, behavior, believes etc. Looks do come first to make a first impression, but it goes beyond after that. Yes, he did a video, and here are the results, but they are, again, general, and whole point of the video literally stands on some made up "pretty/not pretty" standards (as far as I understand it is not him who made them up, but anyway), so it is just kinda falls apart imo. I am not shitting on these people and on this guy, but I think they just take it waaaay too seriously. It is like they would try to control the amount of breaths they take a day if it would improve their, so called, attractivness
This is one the BEST content every created for men. I have NEVER seen this before and I am 50 years old. This is absolute GOLD for any men who are seeking this content.
I never supported any creator with money. I am considering giving this guy money just as a thanks for his informative videos.
Im 53. This is amazing research. A gut punch, but now I know why I'm no longer a 7 compared to 15 years ago. No longer jacked body and balding good.
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Facts like he deserves a wayy higher following, I’m not black pilled but I personally follow him for his content and perspectives on attractiveness this is golden content.
This is how you make a statistic class actually interesting.
Right?
@@joaoagostinho195 wrong
@@marcelinodeleon6226 L
Most classes are boring because, as students, the concepts that we learn sometimes cannot be related to real life. In contrast, something like this is using stats concepts about something deemed interesting works out in the end.
@@mark463 True 💯💯
Food for thought. Technically speaking the data is somewhat biased due to the data collection method as people who go for your rating already suspect that they might not look as good (i.e. less success in dating). So your sample will miss out on more subjects that are naturally attractive, as they would not pick up your services or watch this channel.
Not only that, I have doubts for his rating system as he put some pictures of guys he rated too high or too low IMO in this video.
The biggest bias is that he's a DUDE rating DUDES, why the fuck would I pay for that? The objective thing to do is to have WOMEN rate you anonymously
I think it is the opposite, I was really into lookism about half a decade ago, most guys there were good looking, they just had psychological issues. Unfortunately I'm not one of those, I'm both ugly and have psychological issues. I have a horrid feature that is fixable, but I need money. The first thing I took care of was my mental state, after 1 and a half years of therapy I found a gf, really nice looking girl, but not high quality. I'm 6'3 and that's probably what caused that.
The people on lookism try to explain why they don't have success with women. Concentrating on looks. In the real world, if you can function properly with people you can skew your rating in a number of ways. Usually I'll go up 1 point, in the best case 2 point - and again you can't surpass 8, unless you have a movie start or something.
The black/red pill is true, but you can't let it control your life, you have to commit despite the pills.
These are as unbiased as rating can go, fortunately for us, women aren't as biased. So you might have some luck. And as I said, the social aspect when used correctly will lead to success.
That is your assumption. I'm married and never had a problem dating yet still thought about doing it for shits and giggles.
@@Maniahg if you are 5/10. Women will rate you as 2 or 3/10 lmao
Damn. He's really going through hell and high water to find a perfect boyfriend.
Cope
@@KolchaksGhost 2pinkies up
I got rated a 7 by wheat waffles. As an experiment, I set up a tinder profile with the same pics I sent him. It's only been a week - I only match overweight/homely women and have yet to match with a women who is objectively "cute" (5/10+). and that's with using all my swipes the past 7 days. Let that sink in folks.
This proves that in online dating (at least tinder), women shoot a full 3-4+ points above their ranking as "minimum necessary" for a match.
EDIT: Went through a full photo optimization, finally matching with fairly attractive women consistenly. better luck on bumble though. I probably look like an ~8 in my photos. 8-threshold theory is legit. matches shot through the roof.
How many likes did you have in a few days? My brother is probably a 7/10 and gets 99+ after a few days.
Landwhales though for the most part
But real life is better
Tinder has the most toxic people out there who use tinder for boost and validation and social media use.
It’s over for you if you’re ethnic
A comment on the ethnicity factor: the weighting of it heavily depends on the ethnicity of the woman on the other side.
Yea Asian woman especially.
@@qinawiqinawi5341 Dont even try w rice, its the worst
Yeah, exactly; with like tending to attract like from my experience.
Also depends on where they live. East and south-east asian women prefer pale kpop feminist men.
Also depends on the country, here in Germany women strongly favor the white, Blonde hair, blue eyes guy next door
As a women I’d say those two “8” above were not really and 8 and a lot of those 5,6, and 7 were either higher or lower by a point or two.
yeah i agree the guy on the top right for 6 outta 10 is attractive wtf
@@daysgoneby3527 You look good bruh. You've got some psychological issues. If that's you in your profile pic then you're easily a 6, pushing 6.5.
@@daysgoneby3527 I thought it was the Top 10%?
@@daysgoneby3527 In other word, females have become very picky when it comes to a man's physical appearance?
@@daysgoneby3527 Meh... I'd say forget about online dating. Almost all people there are super shallow anyways.
Look around yourself, I'm sure you'll find someone fairly easily. You're easily in the top 10-15%.
I’m a powerlifter, with a jacked build but higher body fat (around 23%). It’s a weird dynamic to have a large face but a body that totally makes it make sense. While the research into this is pretty impressive, there are limitations to this type of data.
I would Steele keep improving.
Honestly, I think the jury is still out whether an ultra-low body fat % is even attractive to most women. From what I gather, the 15-20% range with solid muscle volume and definition is much more preferable than some ultra shredded and jacked guy at 10% body fat. Not to mention you feel like absolute garbage, nor is it healthy, to cut that much to reach the low double digits, high single digits body fat.
I feel like another important factor to consider is height. I feel like a part 2 of this would be very helpful to determine how much height effects attractiveness. Does being short really matter and is their a point where being too tall starts to effect negatively? Hopefully someone sees this!
as someone who´s 200 cm. +1.
from what i have seen irl, it does matter but not more than face. Face and frame is way more important than height
@@HorrendousCaliber What have you observed in real life that has brought you to that conclusion?
@@redpiller1099 short guys with good looking faces. They pull a lot of women. Height has nothing to do if the guy is ugly
I knew 2 brilliant engineers who were about 5' 5" & could not get a date to save their life, anyone. They had money, status, high IQ, decent facial looks, & athletic bodies. But they simply could not overcome being "too short" for all American women.
I feel like when it comes to the statement “guys age like fine wine,” that would only apply if 1) you have godly genetics or 2)you take care of yourself when it comes to diet, exercise, sleep and overall lifestyle throughout your life to prevent things such as weigh gain and possible health affects that effect your physical attraction.
it's a myth. Cuz 1) women age far worse (so we age well in comparison) and 2) women dont care about looks that much as we do. Status is just as if not more important and there you are usually best in your late 30's or 40s maybe even 50s
Lookwise you are best at 25-30. So the compromise is somewhere between 30-40
@@pingu6028 False. You're not attracted to men so you only think men age better. As a woman, I can say no, you don't. Men lose their attractiveness enormously with age.
@@vgloveforlife I think you missread my comment. Nobody ages well but men age less bad in comparison --> thats why the myth of "aging like fine wine" even emerged cuz relatively speaking we win some ground
Men generally age worse and spoil much faster. Collagen loss and baldness rape men of their looks. Gender roles and different lifestyle play a huge role. Testosterone promotes aging, premature greying, and sub optimal testosterone levels make it hard to maintaining robustness and vigor. A man's life is more competitive, resulting in higher stress levels, which leads to more cortisol spikes caused by more negative experiences. On average a man's life is devoid of the constant dopamine releases from positive experiences that women experience. Most men due to looks, height, income are trapped at the bottom quintile on Maslow hierarchy needs chart. Society is Gynocentristic and value women more, thus they are born in the middle, two levels above by default.
@@vgloveforlife Oh yeah this is because grandpa Johnny Depp is being simped over by millions of women from all ages, right? And he's in his 60s. Status, money, and prestige trumps aging for men, especially if the guy is able to maintain a decent looking body and has style.
I thought theory 2 made the most sense. Some of the faces you rated low weren't that bad looking in my opinion. And some you rated highly weren't that attractive. Just goes to show that beauty is pretty subjective.
Beauty is not subjective. What has happened is that modern media has brainwashed people into thinking effeminate men are good looking.
@@bighands69 no.. i was puzzled by this.. women actually prefer feminine boyish men. It's supply and demand not media brainwashing. That is why Beiber and k-pop are so famous. You can see many women simping for them. It's female gaze. You just project male gaze. Ofcourse it has to be savage feminine looks and has to be 180 cm. I think women go for these types first. I checked with lot of women too. Women are turned off by short, too masculine men.
First video of this guy I watched he showed a girl that was supposedly ugly, but she was pretty af. The rest was correct though.
@@bighands69 Beauty is subjective. You think it is objective because you follow what the society have already set. Nowadays women with big lips, curvy body is considered attractive but remember 10-15 years ago it was thin lips and slim body that was considered the most desired. And let's not talk about race/ethnicity, back in the days some people were automatically considered under 5 just because they were dark. Influencer is a job for a reason, remember that.
@@bighands69 you've never talked to a girl in your life 😂
That's interesting is that no matter where you fall on the scale, everyone is sliding down it. In my 20's I was about an 8, and then time ticked on and I slid down it, and at 52 I am sub 3. Everyone is the same, even if they are a "10" right now. It's all temporary, so enjoy it while you have it, and know it's all temporary so don't get attached to it.
The humility will help you grow as an individual. It's a good experience to have that keeps you from putting yourself above others.
Agepill is Brutal bro
BY FAR, the most significant finding was that only 13 out of 1,000 guys rated 8+ (Chad)
Cuz why would real chads watch nonetheless videos of looks when they pipe Stacy’s all day!
@@yt-pp1ub Unfortunately, women can now easily contact these Chads via the internet (for sex), meaning it will quickly be OVER for sub-8 males
If I'm honest, when a Chad had bought my product, I did question why he's watching my videos in the first place. Some of them were aspiring male models and were looking for small pieces of feedback in terms of improving their looks
@@WheatWaffles Well that´s kind of interesting
@@WheatWaffles So then your rating service effectively just separates the normies from the sub-5s? Both those sub-8 groups are screwed...one faces certain life-long inceldom and the other faces life-long exploitation by women who have no genuine attraction for them...
I think the older men scored lower because they’re supposed to have their life together at 30+, and they’re still watching blackpill content at that age making them more likely to be truecel rejects.
by truecel reject you mean that by 30 you should not waste time watching random stuff on youtube and own your life right?
But they're are the aftermath of foids harsh nature and you may be too.
I watch blackpill content at 42 because it's fascinating as this stuff didn't exist 20 years ago.
I watch this content even though I have unlimited options if I want to be beta bux, or even getting naturally with an average-looking woman, but I just don't give a fuck, I simply choose not to...
I'd give myself a 6. I have a good face, a good body because I work out a lot and I have a six pack. But my height brings my score down quite a bit. I'm 5'7 so I'm not the tallest. Women are incredibly fussy in the Western world, so you can have a good face, good body, but if you have one flaw such as lack of height, that's it, they're not interested. When I have been to other countries such as in Asia and Latin America, I have gotten so much attention from women it was crazy. I had women approaching me asking if I was single. So I don't think I'm ugly. The women in the West are just incredibly harsh on men.
I'm guessing you are white
Face rating is different to SMV rating which can be measured by counting how many IOI's you receive from young women who are _strangers_ to you. This is really the only way you can calculate your total SMV. Face rating is important but it doesn't take into account height and lets say aspergers.
@@addy3164 Yes I am.
@@sldflhsdk2325 Yeah I can get loads of matches on dating sites if I use my face pics but just lie about my height. In real life, I've had girls say to me "You're so cute, why did you have to be short?" Some of these girls were way shorter than me which kinda pisses me off. Girls who are 5'3 want a dude who is 6'5. I can do nothing about my height. So it's actually easier if I just go to other countries. I get loads of attention from girls, I don't even have to try. And I can attract much better quality women in terms of looks and personality in other countries than in the West. The Western dating market is just so screwed up and rigged against men. You really don't have to be ugly to end up with nothing. You can have the face, the body, the style, but if you have one flaw such as being a bit short, you're basically written off. So it's best to go to places where the dating market is better. Western women's expectations are just insane. You have to be near to perfect to live up to it. And the worst part is, in the Western world we have the worst women of any society in the world. You have to basically be a perfect man for very, very flawed women. It's just not worth it. It's like paying $1 million for a crappy little one bedroom apartment. It's best just to take your $1million and spend it on a better property in a more favorable market. It's like that in dating. Western dating market is a woman's market, not a man's market.
@@BasedBill_Lumbergh also a 6/7 at 5'-6"....yup I'd say you're an 8 but prob the jbw is boosting you up a bit in other places which is fine. The fact that we have to search elsewhere for affection is brutal but thats why moneymaxxing is a must first. I'm light brown so no places that will boost me up maybe except Russia/Belarus.
I consider myself a 6 with my biggest flaw being my upper eyelid exposure. I'm almost afraid to take one of these face rating analyses to find out I'm actually a 4 or 5. I think I'm at least a 5 or 6 because I'm not wholly invisible to women. The gym body thing really does help. I was skinny most of my life and I packed on a bunch of muscle when I was in the marine corps that I've maintained even to this day. Even if most women won't find you attractive, they'll still subconsciously respect a strong and fit man more so than a skinny or fat dude. Even if you have a low ceiling guys, it's still worth gym maxing for your own mental and physical health at the very least.
Dude are you a clone of me you just described me
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Can someone explain why upper eyelids are unattractive? I’ve never seen it as such, in fact relaxed eyes that expose more eyelids seem attractive to me
im a 5 but im fine because i know i could be a 7 if i got in shape
I thought I'd be a 6 as well b/c of gym bod - etc. Ironically I was a model from age 28 - 39. I'm now 59. I scored a 4, with the in-depth analysis being my age counting against me, as well as receding hair line. I'm going to do a consult as he told me I had the potential to go up to a 6, which is where I feel I could be. In short my experience with this has boosted my confidence because I feel I can take my own attractiveness into my hands and have an impact by following certian protocols. Very empowering!
How very interesting and well put together. I'd also like to see a female version, but I bet if you performed the same analysis for women, there would certainly be some outrage.
Women probably wouldn't pay to get rated by him, but yeah, it would be funny as hell
@Breathwork babe You don't need men' opinions when all you need is a vag-high-na and not be obese for any and all men to want to sleep with you, it's in our genes. If you're ugly you can just slap paint (make-up) over your face, redo your eyebrows, apply fake eyelashes, hair extensions and nails etc... Just need not to be overweight and good job.
@Breathwork babe you are maybe a 6.
@@kevinsephiroth oh yeah, because hook ups are the ultimate goal in life 😂 maybe for you, not for women.
@@tatianannar1065 most women do go through a hookup phase, aka giving away the 🐱 for free to Chads and make the normie they settle for pay for it.
The reason only so few guys over 40 have bought your program is that, fewer guys at 40 whether average or above average are still preoccupied with this topic and are either settled down with a wife or are divorced with kids. And the small number that do watch these videos are on the spectrum (and not in a good way like a genius) and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy of circular reasoning.
Plus after 40 we kinda already know where we lie and probably don’t care as much
If you haven't looksmaxxed by 40, you missed the train.
I'm 42 and watch WW because I find his approach interesting. I really don't care what WW would rate me as I successfully dated in my 20s and 30s and have been in a long-term relationship for almost five years. WW does provide good general advice to improve your chances though, although there are better resources out there to improve your style if you're over 30. Unless you're a 9+, looks only gets your foot in the door, but only personality opens it.
@@jt1559 very true... I think most men who really struggle don't realize they don't have a redeemable personality to be in a long-term relationship.
@@michaelangst6078 this channel is literally just pseudo-science to justify their insecurities
You also have to take into account not everyone in these categories is equal. Everyone in these categories has different ceilings For example you told me I’m a 5 because of some flaws that are fixable through soft looksmaxing and that I was basically only those things away from being an “easy 6”. Where as the guy who was a 3 that has looksmaxed his way to a 5 has 5 as the ceiling. For example a 4 or 5 with slight recession of hairline and really bad acne, a bad hair cut (etc) may have a much easier time looks maxing to a 6 or 7 than a 5 that has NCT, a sub par jaw etc, which might mean 5 is his peak. 3 that’s a 3 because he’s overweight will have a much easier time getting to average tier than a 3 that’s a 3 because he has significant facial flaws.
I dunno what NCT means, but I hope he makes a video based on what you pointed out.
@@airplayrule negative canthal tilt
That's outside the scope of this video
That's a good point. It makes me wonder if one ever assigns a looks rating that perhaps one should assign the person a "looks range" rating, like rating someone a "4-6", where 4 is the worst rating under "unmaintained" circumstances with reasonable limits (expectations of basic hygiene and normal body weight) and 6 being the ceiling assuming all improvements are made. A "ranged" rating would also likely complicate things further though, but it is an idea. It would help illustrate the difference between someone who starts out as a 5 and someone who can really ever hope to be a 5, like you said, if that makes sense.
@@murkywaters5502 generally speaking I think most of the time you can be given a 1-10 rating that’s pretty accurate. Like as in maybe 75% of people will see you as that. With 12.5% seeing you as being more attractive, and 12.5% seeing you as being less attractive for whatever reason. So a 5 will be a 5 to roughly 3/4 women, but if we expand it to 10 women he will be a 5 to about 7 or 8 of them with 1 or 2 thinking he’s less than a 5, and 1 or 2 thinking he’s a 6 or maybe a 7. This is where you see the saying “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” because there is “some” truth to it. But generally speaking most people will see you as your rating and rarely will someone see you out of your range. Like maybe 1 in 100 girls would consider you an 8 if you’re a 5 because you have certain features she likes or whatever. Just like most people if they are being realistic aren’t going to say that a guy whose a 5 is hideous or a 3 but maybe 1 in 100 girls will think he is for whatever reason.
the gap between a 3 and 2 seems way too is massive
The more I watch blackpilled content the more I realize how absurdly important leanmaxing is. Instead of learning "game" and putting myself "out there" and showing interest, I should have been dieting, fasting and going to the gym while waiting for IOI's from women. I'm late 30's with health problems so it's mostly over now though.
You should start your journey, majority of late 30s men are out of shape, you could be in top 20% after starting gym.
The only problem with waiting for signs of interest from women is a lot of the time they aren't the women you truly want to be with anyway so 'putting yourself out there' is kind of required, plus it's pointless getting signs of interest from women if you can't capatlize on them, most attractive women aren't going to make it obvious or easy for you even if they are keen, it needs to be tackled from every avenue!
Just focus on making your life better than it is, and see where your journey will take you. 25% of men will be childless, so learning to deal with this is going to be a lesson for some.
Unless you're a 9+, you definitely need to work on your charisma and put yourself out there. Looks get your foot in the door, but you need the personality to open the.door.
@@mrbritisher9748 no
Have you segmented attractiveness based on geo regions of the world? As an Asian man, going back to Asia usually upped my chances to score very attractive encounters but in the western world (EU and North America) is like pulling teeth. Asian is somehow more accepted in LATAM due to the population of KPop and can score higher level females due to some other biases not present in South America.
Latam?
@@fatalconceit8061 short for Latin America
Geo-maxxing is certainly a thing for everyone, but this face rating only quantifies a white mans perspective based on his observed reactions by women (likely majority white) in UK I think.
Yeah, exactly; this idea of JBW doesn't work in places where the local population choose brown over white.
@@charlottedelabaere oh you definitely can get easy access in South East Asia, harder for you in China, SK, and Japan now. Too many broke backpackers been thru those places and spoiled the white image in those top tier Asian countries. If you go to their countryside you will still find some good quality that has not been jaded.
Thailand is slowly getting to that point.
In LATAM, most western expats are seen as ATMs and not serious long term material due to how transient we are.
Awesome stats, you should make a part 2 of this video when you hit 2000/3000 ratings to refine the results
Lmao, that would take ages, it took me 12 hours to compile 1000 ratings into this spreadsheet, I may do a video in future analysing more data, eg. do guys become more overweight as they age? How does weight compare with ethnicity?
@@WheatWaffles It's interesting how most of these numbers make TOTAL sense when you see them. For instance NW3 and beyond being worse than shaving your head. Better to look bald than "sickly" or maybe "withered" is a better word.
Also interesting how people feel attracted to good looking people when they are aware of that the good looking features are fake (i.e. implants, lip fillers, hair transplants etc). It shows that we are to a certain degree slaves to our instincts, no matter how rational we try to be.
Wheat Waffles if I were you wheat I’d compile data and add to the spread sheet at the end of each week. This data is highly valuable and could make you a huge asset going forward in the community. Imagine if you had a sample size of 5000+ men that would be huge
@@UnknownUser-nu8ny agreed I think maintaining a spread sheet with the data is incredibly valuable, not only for us but also for Wheat, since it's quite a unique data base.
@ghoul artist Severe Acne its brutal and yes it loses probably alot of point like its gonna lose more for Chad than you for those above 6 gonna become 4s or 4.5 those 7 are 5s 8s are 5.5 probably and 9s and 10 are 6 somewhere .
This is humbling, thank you
This is actually amazing statistical work. Awesome work!!!
While at first a gut punch I can see how the data plays out. In my late 30s I had many many options....fast forward to 50s - no longer jacked body, borderline overweight, now norwood 6. I've lost maybe 3 points. DAMN. Reality sucks.
And how about when you was in your 20s ? Some people like Caleb Jones say that you peak as a male arround 37 years old.
Because according to my own experience, when I was 15-19 I was treated like justin bieber in college (I am 7/10 face, 1m85 height), then during 19-23 I think despite I think I am "good looking" I don't have so many option and power in relationships. But since I am 24 and soon 25, I think women are more and more aware of me. Maybe because I am currently becoming a real man and girls see me as a potential partner.
For me the perfect age for a men is arround 26-37 years old. The worst period is 19-23 years old. 37-55 is ok. Above 60+ it is very difficult to have a attractive girlfriend (unless you are rich)
@@charlottedelabaere this is interesting
@@charlottedelabaere same observation here, im in China, and girls consider status way too important, so it is not rare to see young girls, with much older guys. even among billionaires or celebrities. just check the couple : Zhang Zetian (28) Liu Qiandong (48) both billionaires. and 20 years difference, in spite of her having so much choice, she still chose a way older man
Hit the gym dude, it’s the best you can do. Losing weight will give a couple points.
@@theinvinciblewinner Exactly bro
Very good video. You gave me a 4, but being over 6 foot probably gives me a point and getting a gym bod will probably give me another point again buuuuut then age and hair loss will probably slam me right back down into 4 territory.
Absolutely brutal and unforgiving.
Thanks for making this
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@@thinking-ape6483 ….for free obviously I don’t want your money 😂
Dude your face is definitely not below average - don't let anyone tell you otherwise (i've seen your videos)
@@Prescotmills8732 I consider 4 a normie lite just as a 7 is a chad lite. They’re the bridges between worlds, so to speak.
In reality perception of most people has a two point range from what I’ve seen. A 4 is the lowest I’ve ever been called in my life even before wheat. While 6 is the highest.
Anyway thank you for your words
What is the point of the 1-10 scale if 9 and 10 do not exist? Out of 1000 guys there should have been at least 5-10 guys receiving a 9 I would assume.
You think they would sign up for this?
Most women rate 9 and 10 men as 7s and 8s. Jealousy, intimidation, and lower testosterone/libido being some of the reasons... .
He explained in the video, guys that are 8s are subjective, their objectively beautiful but some dudes have other features that can be more desirable, for example, blue eyes, jacked, white skin, etc. he put them at 8s to show that only 13 people are considered hot to the public, also to be a 10, you got to be 6’5 white model, I don’t think guys like that exists and watch blackpill videos instead of hooking up with Stacy
@@yt-pp1ub who's stacy lol
He made a vid explaining why he dislikes the 1-10 system, in it he says that 8, 9 , and 10 are all pretty much the same thing.
I’m 5 foot and im 21 so whenever a girl I meet for the first time always base my actually person without even having to know me. I can feel it has always played a role in my life and women never take me serious as looking at me to be a partner. I can be funny and I like to have a open mind about anything and I’m even confident in my height. I feel it’s just always overlooked on my stature and girls automatically don’t get attracted because they want a more “masculine” guy. We can have the same interests and connect so easily but never look at me as a potential partner. I just want someone to love me for who I am as a person and not wish for better whether it be lust or just wanting ‘someone more comforting.’ I look for in a woman that will make me feel happy and that’s outgoing and that I know that they love me for who I am and not what i look like. Even if the stereotypes don’t match up. I’ve tried dating shorter women but 99% of the ones always look for a guy they can “look up too.” A lot of the woman I’ve met so far and had so many mutual interests have always been more than +5 inches taller than me so when we can relate so much I’m never on the spectrum of the guy they want to have a relationship with. It’s hard for me to have a connection anymore not because of my looks…most of them think I’m handsome or cute but just always looked over because of my stature. I don’t even care about looks or height or if she’s super tall, just someone who likes me for who I AM and not what my stature is. It hurts me as a man and im so young but my heart feels so old anymore. It’s starting to hurt me mentally and idk if I can really take it much more, this is the only time i opened up about and it’s been consuming for most of my life….Idk how to keep living really…maybe I want to just be loved too.
damn that sounds rough. 5 foot is going to make things hard. I'd suggest you get height surgery
Bro thats tough icl wishing the best for you
its tough out there man
Stay strong man, you’re still very young, live your life, build your career. You’ll get your chance someday just don’t miss it. And don’t listen to the stupid advice about a surgery. It’s better to be a healthy 5’0 than crippled 5’2. There s plenty of 5’0 guys who are happily married, I’ve just recently heard about one.
Your stature is not you, but it still is a part of you. If women aren't attracted to it, they simply won't be attracted to you, and you cannot demand or force attraction from them simply because you want it, or think you deserve it.
This is basically the same type of "What I bring do the table? I AM the table!", that you're the prize, and that the stuff people are actually attracted to don't matter. It may be harsh, but that is simply how things work.
I want to thank you for your content dude.
Some liberating shit honestly. I always thought there was something wrong in my personality or i haven't been working hard enough to "deserve" the attention of girls.
Now that i have no expectations, i can fully enjoy my life, not thinking about attracting someone. You're destroying the narrative that is pushed on everyone (especially guys). Most i can do is looksmax, enjoy my life, do my best and be kind. Nothing else can be done.
I salute you.
The truth sets you free. Now you know what not to waste your time on and to just do the best you can in life instead of holding onto false hopes. False hopes where either due to self-deception or the lies peddled by women-centric society (to be appear more virtuous or serve only themselves) leave you not quite connecting the dots, but yet, feeling the madness slowly growing by the day. Like you said: just because a woman doesn't find you attractive, and make it seems like you're a bad person, doesn't mean you're actually a bad, crazy person that has something to work on (beyond reasonable expectations).
You can looksmax + work on your swag (the way your voice sounds and the way you look girls in their eyes) + maximize your leads through talking to as many girls as possible + maximize your logistics (living next to a night club will get you laid more often then living in a village).
You can actually do a ton 😂
@@bobbadman1551 i better get started then lol
On the last point at least i got luck in that instead of living in bumfuck nowhere. Then things would definitely be over lmao
@@Tommy-t1g i’m happy for your logistics 🤣 Yeah man from my own experience as a 5‘7 dude there is a lot you can do and it’s usually a mix of looks, pickup and strategies. About looks you have to be smart: If your jaw is weak get the right beard and trim the sides of your hair to 1mm. If your eyebrows are sparse also trim the sides of your hair to make your eyebrows appear stronger. Train your neck since the neck is a part of face (only for men). If you are short there are other things you can do like in my case. If you are fat get lean and so on. From there i would add working your swag and expect to get rejected a lot in the first 6-12 months depending on how awkward you come across, while being a little awkward is honestly normal for most average dudes in the beginning.
@@bobbadman1551 All very good and tangible ideas! Respect for you, my man!
I was rated S for sub- human
Dude... where is your jaw xDDDDDDDDDdd
You should make a video about looksmaxing potential and how just because guys are rated the same number it doesn't mean they can reach the same rating after looksmaxing.
I never felt photos, where a good definitive measure for attractiveness. Unless you mean superficial minded people which most of us are more or less, then yeah this matters. I think attractiveness changes when the person is fully animated in real time, and personality is included, that definitely matters as much as someone being photogenic. I’ve seen attractiveness change when the voice or movements along with certain characteristics unique to the person are added to the overall equation after being realized in real time by the observer. An unanimated person can be less or more attractive once every other aspect to attractiveness deeper then physical appearance, is fully analyzed and realized and even then it’s still relative in a sea of opinions. A person can be skinny gangly, but also be extremely attractive it’s all in how it’s packaged.
The stunningly low number of likes proves your point about superficial minded people very well.
Couldn't agree more. I've been looking like dogshit at some times in my life, with women drooling over me in certain scenarios. Confidence does a lot and how you present yourself in real life can change how people view you radically. Generally from my experience the thing that tends to change perceptions the most is trajectory in life, if you suddenly got a massive pay raise or promotion, got into a new field where the opportunity for growth is massive suddenly you jump up like 2 points.
Having more money, or a higher pay or a great education doesn't do that much from my perspective. But when you've just received it, or had a big upgrade in your life it does. I definitely think it's true that young women often go for potential. Just because someone is more attractive, has a better job, better social skills etc doesn't mean they won't go for the loser who has high potential in their eyes.
Some features are also more photogenic than others. Having a rounder face shape, will make you look worse in pictures. There are several factors when taking pictures which can determine how attractive you look. Angles for example, can make or break a picture. There are also things like the focal width of the camera. Having a rounder face, will make you look heavier in most pictures because of a larger focal width. Rounder shapes are also more prone to camera distortion. This is why people with angular faces tend to be even more attractive in pictures, while they might just be above average or even average in real life.
I have pictures of myself where I look way more attractive than I actually am and where I look way worse than I actually do. This isn't getting talked about enough though.
perfectly said dude !@@Thomas48484
@@Thomas48484 I know what you mean. I also seen the opposite. Some people are not photogenic, but you meet them in person and they are prettier or real handsome in real life. I'm like that as well, I'm not model type photogenic in pix but have been told I'm much prettier in person than the pics as a woman. It's weird, I don't know why that is.
I actually think this is very helpful. Numbers fairly in line with what I expected. I woulda expected the 8+ category to be more than 1.3%. In real world I'd say they make up 6% but they know they are good looking and insecure so they'd never let you judge them.
This is it!
In my eyes the sample size might be good, but only those people who know black pill /wheat waffle and are insecure (is that the right word?) enough to let them be rated are participating in this sample.
So it's not a randomized group
In the blackpill/incel communities 8+ is basically model level which is close to nobody.
Some are insecure. (for sure) but some are unaware of their own looks too.
agree with that but than again it's how he scores. Personally I wouldnt agree that 8 is highest. There are levels between over average, good looking and extremely good looking so at least something like a 9 should exist. However, I'm not sure if a 9 would ever watch blackpill content
This man is a genius. He managed to charge 5 dollars to 1000 people for "rating" their faces. This is hilarius, you are all sheep
LOL was thinking the same thing. I only watched the whole video because I missunderstood that actual women rated the faces. He almost had me fooled...
For men that lack confidence it may actually be a reality check for them to see where they lay in terms of looks.
Most of them have very little means to gauge where they are in terms of looks.
What? He ask 5 dollars for this?
The very first thing you'll find in the description in big, capitalized letters is that he didn't use any customer's photos. He didn't charge any of the people seen in the video a dime. I'm gonna give you some honest advice here, and that's to check and verify that what you're saying is indeed correct.
I cant blame him, if he did it for free he'd have at least 10 times the amount of faces to work with
All women are aware what absolute top tier guys look like now. Back in the day a woman would go her whole life seeing a high tier normie as the most handsome man. These days 80% of men are seen as below average. Number 3 is the correct chart imo
Very good point social circles were much smaller and no media consumption
Yet average looking normies are married or in a relationships.
Looks are nearly objective. Beauty is pure mathematics and symmetry. Nothing biology cant explain.
90 percent
If your a high teir white tall guy than you’ll be fine. But even than it might not seal the deal from observing girls at my work
I appreciate you doing so much to explain how all the different factors affect one's attractiveness in terms of face and body.
Those poor 2/10 guys 😳
They just need to shower
@@sohn7767 All they need is to learn game, bro. /s
@@zdravkodimitrov9051 They need to use alpha body language and hold frame, bro. /s
They just need to have a better personality bro
You should get a group of women to rate men instead of u rating them because that would be a better study
I agree. Bc men have a bias towards some other men. He does it on symmetry, but i don't think women think like that. He has good points, but i can see someone he says is a 6 be a 8/9 to some women. Some women i know even hate the chad look.. i'd like to see him break down preference. Sure, i like some model women, but even some models i would rate 6 outside my prefernce... where a nerdy girl that may be a 6 in his scale.. is hot as hell to me bc i like that look. Maybe he's covered that, new here, but i haven't seen it yet.
Nah women will probably lie and say personality matters despite that they use makeup. Biology really likes to play a sick joke on us lol.
women lie. that;s the issue.
From what I’ve noticed going out to bars, I feel like the average face/jacked type of guy does the best with women. That’s ideally what they want because they want a nice body but you can’t be prettier than them
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
5:38 "2s can't. They're basically stuck."
Damn Daniel! You killed them.
Im a 2 maybe
You can improve a lot bro you are definetely not a 2 @@ivblizzard3616
Age pill is brutal..
because aging is a disease. Its a loss of cell analogical information. To stop this, learn methods of David Sinclair. Probably the best advice is eat less in total and less often, less protein.
@Valerio Del Buono its because the chronological age number doesn't mean shit, its the physical age of your body. You could be 50, but have the physical body health of 35.
@@prozac5314 facts
I got excited when you said you were going to include different ethnicities in the rating examples. I was disappointed to find it still consisting mostly of white guys and barely any black guys. Seeing that a large amount of your viewers are ethnic we would appreciate it if you made a video where you rate guys of all ethnicities at the different levels. It would be so kuch easier to compare our selves that way.
He had a bigger pool from the black side though. Also its hard for him to rate black as well without being inherently bais. It's prob easier to default on white
@@mario125ww if you were black, you would also want to see him rate ppl that look similar to you. But you're probably white so it doesn't matter to you because he already does.
@@batmansteel778 I'm black but I can understand how it can be uncomfortable for him being white so he might just avoid it. In the data, he had more black people than any other race.
He based his data on those who purchased a rating from him, and since mostly white guys bought one they were the largest sample simple as that. If you want the data to include more black guys you need to submit yourself into the data.
He's White, and at the extreme end of White as being a redhead, so is pretty clueless as to what Black women find attractive in a Black guy.
This video gave my confidence back, i used to be very athletic when i was 14. I used to play football(soccer) every single day, at that time after a school event i was aproached(indirectly) by 4 girls, which i turned them down because at that time i was focused on being a normal kid, i used to get a lot of compliments about my looks, fast foward 5 years i'm underweight(about 26%-27% BF), im also short(164cm/5'4). I noticed i had to change after a teacher told me: "if i were i girl i would only date you after getting wasted" that sentence traumatized me, i had constant thoughts about my looks and appearance. Im currently working out and doing my best to be the best version of me again and this video showed me i can be myself again if i work hard. Thank you!
Sorry if i made any grammatical mistakes my native language is portuguese.
Please don't take what this dude says to heart. You can be underweight, overweight, short, tall, and still find an awesome girl. Perhaps not much in terms of one-night-stands, but definitely in terms of relationships. As much as this guy would argue this isn't true, at least in my world view, the way you carry yourself and your personality is a much bigger factor in charming a girl. More so than looks, more so than money. Just think about it, how often do you see an overweight average looking dude with a really pretty girl, for me, I see it very often. I have personally also always dated girls at least a league above me.
This also depends heavily on the type of girl you are chasing, of course. This primarily applies for the average girl, the one who doesn't get a crazy amount of attention already.
a teacher told you that? wow lol
Update: im currently dating an awesome girl :) Dont give up guys
@@andreaguiar3546that’s awesome
@@hejalllThat's Just cap lol! Your looks is what gives you confidence
Here is what I have noticed from personal experience. You don't need to compare your face to anyone else. Compare it to your own. I saw that my face looked better when i had no fat compared to when i gained fat due to being in lockdown.
great content bro there’s probably a slight bias as a lot of more attractive dudes wouldn’t have someone rate their face bc they already assume they’re attractive enough but still great video and helpful data
That overweight graph was crazy, honestly it's crazy that an overweight guy can gain up to 3-4 points if he loses weight and gets ripped
Yep its so crazy. I'm not even ripped but I probably gained about 7 points because I have strong facial structure
provided you have good facial bones underneath, it is possibly to get lean and still be ugly af
This works if all that fat was covering your sexy bone structure that you are already born with
@@addy3164 Well it kind of seems like every guy is around a 4 or 5 so theoretically getting fat is minus 2-3 points, which gives you quite the amount of points back
Totally true. Once I started working out on a regular basis, especially training my upper body strength I didn't even lose much weight but traded fat for muscle. But it definitely has an effect on some women.
this man might have made the best advertisement known to man
i now want to get my face rated [im confident im a SOLID 7]
can you please rate my face ? with sheer honesty.
I’m tall, jacked, still a good hairline at 42. Can’t get the attention of women under the age of 40. My face is a 5. Face is everything. It doesn’t matter that my body is better than 95 percent of men of all ages.
not entirely. I've known women who just really like bodies more than faces. It's not that uncommon but yes, the majority still goes for the face. Sorry bud :(
Women, like men, aren't stupid given that they've inherited the same genes from their parents as their brothers. So yeah, women are going to think about the mental health of their potential kids when weighing up the face of their gene donor.
Sounds like you're just waiting around for something good to come along dude rather than going after what you want with women, when was the last time you tried hitting on a woman you found really attractive in real life?
@@mrbritisher9748 bro..
Just go on seeking arrangements and just accept you will have to be beta bux man... if you are what you say you are, you will have a lot of offers..No woman in their 20's is ever going to truly love you if that's what you're hoping for
hair transplant + low bodyfat = welcome to 2022 dating market
Forgot height bro
Despite this data, I still think men's peak is like early 30s. Only if they manage not to lose hair and stay fit. Great content as usual Wheat
Agreed. I slayed the most and best poon from age 26-32 (during my residency while I lived in Hawaii), although inviting girls straight over and life overall is just easier in my mid to late 30s.
it depends. some men peak at 18-20, some men peak early 20s, others peak at 25-28, others peak at 30. i saw everything. it really depends.
@Valerio Del Buono that's awesome bro have you ever done any modeling. I'm curious how is your dating life
@Valerio Del Buono congrats on the engagement
@@heroldjaras9909 sure but I’m general men’s peaking is 35
LOL, imagine paying someone on fiverr just for them to call you ugly
Yeah that’s why he should stop being greedy and give out these ratings for free. There is no work involved in rating someone’s face.
Awesome video, the content is purely empirical and to the point. I wish more people were aware of your channel, sadly the majority of humanity refuses to acknowledge uncomfortable realities of the world (lookism, religion, etc.).
You have my respect
What about religion?
Religion?
I wish you showed the pictures of each race of what’s an example of an 1-10 so we can see where we stand I’m black btw
This I'd exactly what I'm saying. I'm disliking the video until he can start showing examples of more than just white guys. (90% are white guys)
@@batmansteel778 Wheat Waffles is white himself, what do y’all expect?
@@KahinAhmed72 it also may be slightly easier to identify minute differences in facial features on white people because of the color contrast
@@KahinAhmed72 I have a RUclips channel an I post pictures of all races
@@KahinAhmed72 he is british and this people hate middle eastrens!
This RUclips channel is blackpilled but you get rid of all the toxic violence bs you see in some communities. Love this channel
that wasn't a problem with the blackpill more a problem with the person
Regarding the age part, I think the SMV increase is not in looks.
For instance say Jake is an 8 in looks at 22, but broke, unconfident and without a lot going on…which is normal as a young guy figuring out the world.
Say he gets to 33, takes care of his fitness, gets on a hair loss regimen early and is a 7.5 lookswise, BUT he also fixed his finances, has a more exciting lifestyle and carries himself better. Imo the improvement in those areas would more than compensate for the slight dip in looks.
Key part being you work to improve yourself and don’t neglect your looks.
just be a better person overall
Several theories I had were confirmed, while others disproofed:
1- I was right about the majority beign average, with the extremes beign minorities...
2- It is true that men age like Wine, but Only when compared to Women, because its still Aging nonetheless...
3- I'm working on my weight issues, even if I can't reach Chad status ripped, I'll get as close as I can no matter what. Wether I decide to compete or not (mgtow) it will Only be a benefit in the end...
4- Nice tip about the baldness, just get rit off it instead of clinging to 1 or 2 hairs...
Great content as always. The only thing missing in detail was estature/height, but we all know that less then 6.0 feet chances decrease exponentially ...
Thanks for the awesome content and keep up the good work
Diet n workout n getting ripped will benefit u physically n mentally
@@Traumatised311 exactly. Helping with the ladies is a secondary benefit. Men really need to stop Simping.
@Andrew Cuomo noo
Leonardo looks old now
So do other male actors n atheletes
If you look at older generations it was very common for the male to be older than the female by several years. The reason for that was the fact the men were already mature and were economically active when the women become involved with the man.
Women by and large would not select men with no money and ability to marry.
@@bighands69 yes now too men r older n have more stability
People who buy a rating online maybe are a little uglier than the average guy, no?
I've included several possible biases in the video descritption
@@WheatWaffles Indeed. I commented while watching. Also useful for short attention span people who skip parts
i really appreciate what you're doing. i cant wait to use your service. i am still a bit overweight, but when i lose the weight, i will use the service to get my "true rating", adjusted for weight.
Bro thinks he's an authority on attractiveness 💀
Incredible work, especially about the age. It always struck me as nonsense, if men were at their peak in their 30's they would be having sex with all the hot 18 year old tiktoks girls. But they are not. I feel proud to have a received a 6 at the age of 35. Damned I could have been a chadlite in my twenties had I not had severe depression. I wish more young men would see your content.
Anecdotally my dating peak was my mid-30s as I dated women between 19-42, while in my mid-20s it was really just 18-26. It is harder to get the younger girls in your mid-30s, but if you actually want to date for a relationship, they usually don't have enough in common to maintain long-term interest, so thosea little closer in age are better. Women 25+ was the ideal range.
What’s the appeal of girls who have barely finished childhood?
Your wrong. It depends how young you look and well you age. Some of us are blessed. While others (most) look old by 25.
@@Alejandro-mv1lh indeed
I‘m 32 and im getting laid with 20-23 year olds way more often then i was until the age of 28. It really depends man
Lower ranked guys are more likely to ask for this advice so the data isn’t really accurate
I like your system and once again feel you are generally accurate with your rating. The skinny thing really does lead to rejection. I get night and day different results with an extra 10 to 15 lbs of mostly muscle.
The problem with this is that the way you obtained this data constitutes a clear case of selection bias. The majority of men looking for your service are men who are unsatisfied with their looks. Because of this, there is likely a sizeable difference between whats shown by this data and reality.
He should have just got random people lol
Can someone please rate my face?
There is a certain dynamic with extreme weight loss that I have observed.
For some people who have lost a 100 or more pounds, the changes to their appearance after weight loss are minimal aside from them being smaller.
After getting some of these black pill insights with respect to looks, I have thought that this is because their underlying facial bone structure is mediocre to below average.
For others after weight loss, the changes to their appearance are so drastic they look like a completely different person. They'll often get comments from people they know saying how drastically different they look.
I'm wondering if anyone else has noticed this dynamic and whether inherent aesthetic qualities have anything to do with it?
Me when I went from 250 to 165. People couldn't believe I was the same person
@@capo4ever334 I'm 6'-3" and was 387-pounds at my heaviest. I started getting regular comments from people after the first 50-pounds of weight-loss. When I was around 220, I had met up with a friend I hadn't seen in a few years at a restaurant. He was shocked at the changes, and this is only one of many examples.
One of WW's videos where he explains the best experiment to test if you're sub-five or not is to observe the automattic reactions and micro-expressions from the women you exchange gaze with in passing. I never got looks of disgust or anger, even while obese, I just felt invisible by-and-large. Now I often get smiles and "Hey."(s) from people I don't even know. And I often automatically dismiss these reactions as politeness and signals of social calibration on the part of these people, especially women, but I've never got that kind of treatment at 387-pounds, and I think I'll never truly get used to it.
"incels" who are morbidly obese who tell themselves "it's over" really need to bite the bullet and get their weight down. They cannot possibly know what lies beneath the layers of fat and inflammation. I never knew I had a jawline or cheekbones until I lost 200-pounds. There's a chance there's nothing special there, but you'll still look better smaller-certainly feel better. Better enough to status-max and career-max at the very least. There's no solid case against being in better shape.
You’re right about bone structure being important. My brother lost 100 pounds and he has good facial structure and going through the perfect face series I realised he went from a 4-5 to a 6-7. But what’s crazy is even at his heavier weight you could see signs of promise if you knew about facial aesthetics. What’s funny is he now looks like an e-boy but people who have known him his whole life (been overweight far longer than he has been lean) knows he is far from that. So it’s fun meeting new people and seeing them think he’s a push-over or feminine dude.
I’ve also noticed when some people lose weight they get told they look gaunt or their face looks sunken in and this is probably the phenomenon you’re alluding to. Losing weight is still great for the health reasons but in terms of facial aesthetics it can actually amplify flaws. Agree with the other poster in that before considering any procedures in terms of looksmaxing you have to get lean first to see what you’re working with.
@@Moshm4n lovely to hear my friend. 🙏🏾 the halo effect is real. I agree with everything you’ve said. You got to give yourself a chance by knowing what you’re working with if you’re overweight by doing the hard yards and dropping the excess weight.
a minute of silence for everyone with underlying bad bone structure
Thanks for all your hard work Wheat Waffles.
Thanks for pointing the hairloss thing out. I'm in college and already losing hair due to a thyroid condition, hypothyroidism. I think it is caused by my adhd.
Hair Loss is nowhere near as big a deal as people make it out to be. If you are having thinning or receding hairline go with a tight clean hairstyle. Long hair will immediately show off such features.
In terms of your hypothyroidism and ADHD I would suggest seeking out the field of functional medicine to try and address if there are any underlying reasons for this.
Stop watching porn. Practice nofap
whenever you feel bad about yourself look at the 2. If you are a 2 and you feel bad about yourself, look at people who has lost limbs. If you are a guy who lost limbs, look at the people who are blind. If you are blind, look...well think about the people that are deaf and blind at the same time. If you are deaf and blind at the same time, think about the people that are deaf, blind and can't talk. If you are deaf, blind, can't talk, think about the people that are deaf, blind, can't talk and also have a serious disease. The point is that you should be grateful for your position in life, you are more than enough
Great philosophy and insightful consultation.thanks.
Imagine paying for a face rate and getting a 1, smh.
@@IdkIdk-gw3qo That's average man. If course you can. The thing about this blackpilled idea doesn't tell you is that its not always about your looks.
I would move all the ratings by +1 because for example I’d rate the 5s with a solid 6
Yea, most guys over 30 are overweight.. staying in shape is important
A lot of guys will jump on trt.
If you're balding, you might look into a hair system, it radically changed my whole look and I look ten years younger. People regularly peg me as in my 20s. It's takes effort and time, but for those you are interested, it can be well worth it, it cannot be understated just how important hair is to a man's look.
Peg? My mind went somewhere else 😂🤡
what kind of hair system do you mean?
Just get a haircut bro
@thecrusader1095 lol if you're balding a haircut will do nothing.
@@DodgaOfficial had alopecia since I was 12
It’s over 💀
About why ethnicity has so small impact is because you meassure people looks, not their SMV which would be much harsh for ethnicts guys.
True, was going easy there.
true. it's a looks rating score; than an SMV score. It's also impossible, to give general SMV rating anyways; because the location factor for example has a MASSIVE impact on the SMV rating peoples.
Ethnicity would have an impact if they were dating out of their ethnicity, so technically ethnicity does have a small impact unless you're an ethnic guy targeting let's say a white women, which for some reason that seems to be the race of women you guys are mainly targeting and focus on.
As an Indian, I can guarantee you that ethnicity plays a bigger role than you think. I live in Bangalore and I've seen a lot of white guys in malls go out with well groomed Indian women who should be at least a 7 or an 8 in terms of looks(9 if I'm being generous), and what I've noticed is that most of them are tall and fair skinned. A lot of them had a receding hairline and a mediocre jaw and they're either average in build or have a dad bod. And if we put them through Wheat's facial analysis, they would be a 4 or 5 at best. Being tall and fair skinned is extremely valued here in India, and I'm willing to bet that India is not alone when it comes to this. White guys have a massive advantage when it comes to ethnicity, more than you realise
@@40mihirkulkarni44 then why most middle eastern women in my life say they prefer middle eastern guys over white dudes because they said white guys are boring looking no beards and feminine not masculine enough, and also in my city i always see black men with the white girls, u are just not attractive thats why u arent gettinf any girls , indians always look at me and want to be with me and i am from middle east im not white
Can't wait to see sample size 5000 and 10000.
When you find out “5s” are more attractive than you
Guys, wherever you are on this scale, always try to increase it, it will increase your attractivness so more women will be interested in you, it will increase the respect you get from others, it will make you healthier lots and lots of good things can happen to this as long as you don't use like plastic surgery or anything harmful like that
Back when you first stated posting, you had used a 1-10 scale that was linear. I said your scale was incorrect and that it should be a bell curve. Glad to see your sample corrected your misconception.
That small self selected sample size, is just slightly off from what an expected result should be in a double blind random sample. A correct sample should have given approximately 70% getting a 4-7. And that is close to what you got.
I actually don't agree with the bell curve BS, though it is all subjective depending on who is doing the rating. I believe strongly that the 1-10 scale was designed to denote that a 10 falls into the top ten percent of all people in the looks department and a 1 is a person who falls into the 10% who is the least attractive. I think it basically comes down to subjective attractiveness as opposed to objective attractiveness. If you poll a person for an individual attractiveness rating without taking anything else into consideration that is SUBJECTIVE attractiveness. If you have 10 million people and rank them 1 to 10 million in attractiveness it is a linear process.
A population distribution across a small population sample will show that the very extremes such as a perfect 10 will not show up.
To get more perfect 10 guys or gals the sample size would need to be 10 times larger. In a town of 10000 people you will find one or two perfect tens.
Why the hell could it be linear? Makes no sense
@@gordonramsdale in the video wheat waffles assumed it was linear. But women tend to think it is a list get 1 point for every one box you check off, so if you check off all the boxes you are a 10
But muck like everything else in the world that can be measured, it is a Bell Curve.
The average of 1 and 10 is 5.5
Therefore 5.5 is the median with half above and half below.
Median plus or minus 1 standard deviation is about 70%. Next standard deviation is 15% on each side.then next is a fraction of 1%
So a ten and a one are the top and bottom fractional percentage of yhe best and worst.
The term perfection ie perfect 10 is not a realist view, as mem/women can generally agree on an ideal. But there is a vast difference between each individual
I can say person X is perfection (male and female) but you can disagree and say someone else is the ideal of that sex.
So perfection as an objective term is not valid. You can really just have each person take a list of say 1000 people and arrange them in order worst to best assign them a number from 1 to 1000, and have several hundred people do the same, then arrange them from lowest to highest total points and then assign a value based on where they fall on the bell curve.
Because if I asked you who you would say is the most beautiful woman on the planet you answer would almost certainly not be my answer, and even a top ten list or top 100 list would have almost no names in common.
Just for curiosity sake not in specific order.
Who would be your top 5 (you can't say your wife, girlfriend or mother, as a cop out)
The thing about this study is that people who are generally less attractive follow this channel and purchase the face ratings. So if you are a 4 or 5 on this rating system then you could be worse off in reality.
I find it hard to believe that there are Norwood 5s or 6s who are above a 2.
There are a bunch of balding people that have god-tier facial genetics and when shaved off appear decent, not chad-tier but definitely around normie tier overall, definitely above 2 rofl. Though the vast majority, even when shaved off, muscular and with a beard won't look as good as they once were with hair (and if they were already around 5/10 then tough luck, I know this by experience, god bless hair transplants ahah)
Nah. I got rated a 5 by WW. And then went to other blackpillers and they rated me a 6 high tier normie.
But yes WW generally overrates men, not me though
I have a hypothesis that the people born in the summer (especially june and july) have the most underdeveloped faces.
Wheat Waffles, could you please check that hypothesis by running a questionnaire?
Where does this hypothesis comes from?
@@NoName12344o Personal observation. I am not 100% sure about that, but probably sunlight and food exposure of the mother is different throughout the year. Also, probably, the mother is less active during winter time.
I think the beginning of the fetus development is the most important time. For people, who are born in the summer the fetus development falls into autumn and winter - the worst and most depressing period for humans, especially mother.
@@egor.okhterov hmm i see, that's quite interesting to think about
It's wild to me that at 5:41 for the example photo of the guy who changed his jaw that he only rated him as going from "A 3 to maybe a 5", further proof that beauty is ENTIRELY subjective. Like yes I would've rated the before somewhere between a 3-4, but in the after photo he is a definite 8 to me.
Can you rate my face??
Nah. Attractiveness is very subjective. 2 guys you showed in your 8/10 Category I didn’t like at all to a point where I would not even consider them attractive. Same goes for any other point of the scale. You cannot judge attractiveness by any scale, nor by looking at „imperfections“.
The guys he put in 5 were way hotter than those he put in 8. Of the 4 guys in 8, i'm sure 3 of them were gay.
I fell for a guy that does not qualify as a 10 on this chart, maybe a 4, but I see him as a 10 plus. Take this video with a grain of salt guys.
@@jeaniecameron295 Exactly, it's almost impossible to judge preference. For instance, one person may find a certain race unattractive... a whole race of people. They could be models, but in the person's eye's, unattractive. It's really hard to judge preference. Although, looks wise... maybe more girls do go for the what i call "model" look...so he has some points.
@@kambido890 whats a model look
@@sayanagi Someone you would see in a modeling magazine. Although for women it's a little skewed, so let's say someone you would see in a modeling magazine before woke fat is hot stuff.
@@kambido890 alright thanks gotch
4:51 Top left guy is nowhere near bottom right guy's rating. I think it's better to extend the rating up to a 9 while that last point depends on subjective aspects.
EXACTLY. I was thinking the exact same. Top left dude looks like the guys he put in 4 and 5.
He has no upper eyelid exposure and very thick eyebrows. I think he is in the 7-7.5 category not a 4,5 or 8 though
Exactly the bottom right guy was 9 for sure
He literally explains he doesn’t go above 8.
@@JonJonJonJonJonJonJonJon Thats why he is mistaken because girls still can look for above these Chads 8 like Sean O pry or Chico Lachowski , Henry Cavill .
The one I disagree with is, I do think a lot of guys are at their most attractive in their 30s. Just out of the people I know in my life, they look better now than in their 20s. In their 20s they still looked like kids almost but now, their frames have filled out and their beards have come in. I think on average guys, being able to grow a good beard is a game changer, there's not a many people I've seen who it's not taken them up a point in their overall attractiveness rating. For most guys I would say the most attractive years are between 26-35. Younger, you're still looking like a kid (in most cases) and older, the negative effects of aging will bring you down.
Agree and disagree. I've met men who were 18-23 *i'm 25 btw* . And they looked way older and mature then me. Like, 30. But the dude was 20, looking a 30 year old model
@@bartdegryse9345 looking a 30 year old model
Yes this is on parr.
totally in your late 20´s early 30´s most of guys get their peaks,if they stay fit,healthy etc..they reach the 40´s being more attractive than ever,also,women likes mature apparience as u say,more masculin, the 40´s is the real killer when u pass 40 u go down so fast and u can see it clearly in a lot of actors,if you want to age like that u need to act like them, caring about your skin,your meals,making sport etc..
Men are attractive when they are 25 -30
if this guy on the left on 2:29 is a 5, we are fucked, gentelmen.
This is a fantastic work! Great summary overview of how the rating system works, and how it manifests into an actual, credible distribution. Kudos.
One more factor I would have had loved to be incorporated was beard on four sub categories- Clean, Light Stubble, Heavy Stubble and full beard.
Man you forgot about JBW. The white guy 5/10 is more atractive than 7/10 Indian guy.
Watch "Blackpill 101 - E07: The plight of Indian men"
But its not about looks, its about overall smv (including status)
Bro made so much money off of just rating people on fiverr
Also, I’m in my later 30s and from what I find. It’s way easier for me to pick up chicks anywhere from 18 to 25. Wayyyy easier then when I was younger.
reallly why?
@@stairclimber6027 I guess cause I’m more stable with a career, my own place (no roommates) and made sure to go to the gym every day, thus preserving myself. I look younger then I am. Got a cool but inexpensive car. Can still go out and have fun at clubs with a date and fit in. That kinda stuff. It’s not hard at all. Nor is it expensive.
That's an anecdote
I was rated an 8, surprised me only 13 people out of 1000 were.
@Reborn explain?
@Reborn He can stop copeing, that pfp is clearly chad
@Reborn Man, see the guys he rated as 5 and i wonder how he rated stephiscold 6.
U get a 7.5 for me. Between a Chad and Chadlite.
skinny build seems a bit more subjective than most points, plenty of women do seem to dig skinny builds over average, and some value average over skinny. seems to vary a fair bit.
I don't know about skinny but they prefer athletic built over muscleheads.
I'm a zero. Thousands of ladies have told me so.
Thank you for this insightful analysis.
Let me nevertheless point out a limit.
Intuitively, I would say that the sample used for the statistics is biases in itself, even if it is big.
People interested in blackpill are necessarely people with a specific interest in improving their pickup skills, and therefore less attractive than average.
I always thought it would be along these lines:
below 1th percentile = 2 or less
below 10th percentile = 3 or less
below 25th percentile = 4 or less
50th percentile = 5
above 75th percentile = 6 or more
above 90th percentile = 7 or more
above 99th percentile = 8 or mote
0 and 1 are people with actual deformities and defects.
9 and 10 are just 8s subjected to a girl's niche, one 8 might be an 10 to a girl and just an 8 to another.
I think it's more like 1-9 with a ten for being that persons type. I can very easily tell the difference between a 9 and an 8. I even can tell the difference down to .5's. so there being nothing higher than an 8 is cope.
@@selfishbeats As a sub5 I agree
being a chad over 30 is possible. tom cruise in 2000 as a 40 year old, david gandy , jeremy meeks , chris hemsworth until 35 was good looking (right now not anymore) or jason statham. i know blackpillers wanna say over 30 its not possible to be a chad from face, but its possible. but its less common i agree. i would say at 38- 40 it gets really hard. even good looking men got really bad at 38 - 40
I have actually seen one Chad in his 70s. (He murdered his wife to have affair with young acquitance, so there was a video on it) People in comment section were like- this is only good looking man in that age. Don't remember the name or video, but that was truly one of a kind specimen.
And Tom Cruise is a short guy.
@@Kashban face status > height. always
My testosterone level has reached a peak at age 30 based on my blood work.
I'm still getting better!
Michael Chiklis has a hot wifey.