Could Russian Su-57 Felons REALLY Infiltrate To Air Force One? (WarGames 23) | DCS
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First channel to get put on watchlists in China, Russia AND the US. Well done!
LMAO 😂😂😂
My thoughts exactly.
He is also in our watchlist aswell...
Bada dum tss*
Meh, used to it.
Naa. It's not unlawful to have an imagination. At least not yet. Btw, I'm a pilot.
*Russia:* Can we use Bandar Abbas airfield for the afternoon?
*Iran:* May we ask why?
*Russia:* To shoot down Air Force 1.
*Iran:* There'll be fruit baskets and wine in your hangar.
No wine. But maybe six dozen virgins of so, if they are as efficient pilots as Super Cap and Simba.
Iran, watching tape of US withdrawal from Afghanistan: No, this one we want in office as long as possible.
@@christosvoskresye lol
lol
@@christosvoskresye That's the damn truth.
Cap: Any predictions RC?
RC: we're gonna die.
😂
To be fair, he's usually right.
You guys are definitely getting put on a list for this one
uahuahuahuhauhuha
Lmao like DCS knows top secret technology
Lol people underestimate Russia
@@Guilhermetmfranco why does It say translate to English under what you just said
@@gaberobinson8210 they always do...
It's strange that they modeled Air Force One without putting in the defensive measures that it carries. It should have been aware of a missile launch and deployed chaff and flares as well it is supposed to have electronic counter measures. I understand that a lot of what it carries is not going to be available to research and model, however, they should at least use some counter measures it's known to have.
I was just thinking the same thing, no evasive maneuvers, chaff, flares. Not realistic.
@Apsoy Pike I remember that in the film Air Force One.
@Apsoy Pike what would that even accomplish? He'd still be dead when it hits the ground.
It would not detect a missile until it went pitbull. TWS lock does not show up on RWR. F-22 directs the missile with TWS until the F-22 turns away from radar azimuth. If the firing plane turns out of the field of the radar, the missile will turn on its radar and then show up on RWR. And an SU-57 has long range heat missiles that would never be detected.
Same for the Russians EW
"We are going to die" at 6:16, that is a quality quote right out of the box by RC.
“A wise man knows his limitations.’ And a bold one seizes opportunities.” ― Tom Clancy, The Hunt for Red October
Mr Ford's the greatest legendary pilot there is. He did the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs.
First problem with this is service ceiling of an SU57 is 66,000ft, not 110k feet lol
That's what they want you to know 😂
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who noticed that this thing was flying higher than the SR-71.
9:46 "we got the cross-section of the size of a bird, but they can see a bird if a bird is going mach 3" thats a nice one
To be fair, in the last scenario the 3rd f-22 wasn't shot down, it just ran out of fuel and died trying to touch grass.
I think there’s a sizable underestimation of the ECM and defensive capabilities of Air Force One. I also believe the defenses of UAE would have been stronger and likely would’ve had more than a pair of Falcons up. Locations like this it’s also possible a carrier group would’ve been in proximity.
Absolutely, US Navy always has a carrier stationed in the middle east as part of its projection of power strategy.
@@CMarkem but I don’t think they would make it in time (the carrier group)
You'd be surpised, we're pretty fast on the scene when it needs to happen, 11 years Navy here.
@@CMarkem but u barely get 10 minutes after the alert , and let’s say it takes a min to scramble , if the su57 is on a suicide mission then it will get af1 but we will never know how soon su57 or f22 will get spotted .
@@hemendraravi4787 All I'll say is if air force 1 is in the middle east, which is still marked as a hot zone, the Navy is close by. That's all I was trying to make a point of.
14:30….
The ULTIMATE Cobra maneuver! The Strato-Cobra!
I'm feeling it. You should do the air battle from Air Force One. See if you can actually save Air Force One without plot armor being a thing.
Actually, a more plausible scenario end would have been if instead of coming apart in mid-air, Airforce One had crash landed in the desert and the President survived. Then instead of dying in the ocean Cap would have punched out over land and within one mile of the Presidents crash site. Then by sheer coincidence Cap and the President meet up and have an epic fist fight! That way as Cap punches the President a few times in the face he can say "that was for John Lennon!" Or if still in character he could say "that was for Vladimir Lenin!" Either way a great ending.
I came for the air combat, I stayed for the impressions of Harrison Ford.
Sigourney!
That was awesome!
Day 1 of asking:
Cap, could you do a combined operation of a USAF stealth strike package consisting of F-22s and F-35s and a carrier strike group with F-35s against the Russian Black sea fleet, airbases, and IADs system in the Crimean peninsula? (if possible could you also use realistic tactics and RCS figures). Love the wargames series!
Love this idea
can we repost this?
yes BUT I'm fully booked for at least the next month first.
@@adhip0574 sure why not
@@grimreapers I appreciate that even as big as your channel has gotten, you still try your best to facilitate all our scenarios as best you can!
“Any predictions RC?”
“We’re gonna die…”
😂
Great vid as always!!!
"I don't know what's locking us..."
4 Patriot launchers swivel... 😂🤣😂😆
The SU-57 is basically a UFO in DCS
This channel is getting me in trouble. I can't stop watching! You're awesome.
Sorry
Great video guys. I have to agree with some of the others on here about the unknown counter measure capabilities of Air Force One. There is obviously no way to replicate what is unknown, but, perhaps a human crew and some creative CM's (take some liberties) would make this more realistic. Also, can the SU-57 really go that high? Holy chicken balls. Keep up the fine entertainment and cheers.
I haven't watched it yet but I love videos like this, thanks Cap!
RC sounding like he can barely contain his enthusiasm as always.
😏
Joie de vivre.
Cap @15:05 "I can see the missile! It's going to hit me!"
Me watching on super compressed RUclips just looking at smoke trails "????"
"I killed him! I killed him!" the enthusiasm is concerning LOL
85K feet, the wings are all but non-existent and he says: "I'm going to land at Dubai." Now that's a positive mental attitude. :)
CAP, "Ok, cons, sip of tea.." SONIC BOOM! Well timed sir, well timed indeed.
You should have put a max ceiling for this mission. going higher than a SR-71 is a bit crazy.
That was kind of what I was thinking. (Take these numbers with a grain of salt)... But the SR-71 crews wore spacesuits to fly that high. The SR's top (known) altitude was 85000 feet.
And again, take these numbers with a grain of salt. The rated max altitude for a Patriot missile was 79,500ft. (Call it 80,000ft). I mean - no shit he didn't hit by the missles. You're 5,000ft above its rated max. Speed of sound (approx) at 80,000 ft is around 650mph. Top speed of a SU57 is around 1325mph. So he's flying at (roughly) mach 2. Patriot missiles had no chance.
Should've put in a ceiling of 66,000 ft, which is the rated max for a SU57. Likely would've been smashed by a Patriot missile - or 5.
@@CarbonDPG 15000 ft doesn't make as big a difference as you might think
We need to talk about the Felon: it's flight model is _criminal_ 🤓
The RCS model is also probably way off too. Even just the IRST ball would be enough to ruin it's stealthiness from certain aspects, and those unblended nacelles are a no-no. Internal corners are *bad* hence why the F-117 looks the way it does and the B-2, B-21, RQ-170, etc. look like lumpy pancakes from some angles. Notice at how carefully the IRST system is positioned and blended into the F-35s skin; the Felon in its current form would have RCS "spikes" at certain angles that'd defeat the whole point of stealth.
It'll be interesting to see if they make the tracker ball retractable or go to a multi-sensor all-around system like the Lightning. The Felon will no doubt be very capable once they develop it fully but at the moment it's nowhere near as refined as the Raptor. Maybe the Russians have decided on a compromise and all-aspect stealthiness doesn't matter to them tactically? 🤔
My understanding of Russian and Chinese stealth strategy is to make their aircraft's less visible "stealth" on a head on approach, but fairly normal from all other angles. They just don't have the industrial materials and techniques to do something like an f-22/f-35 yet. Though China is probably closest due to its espionage.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Giving the Su-57 and F-22 the same RCS is completely unrealistic. The Felon is basically a semi-stealth fighter, not a true stealth. Many compromises were made in its development, like the leading edge control surfaces that make it look cool in air shows at the expense of greatly increasing its RCS, because Russian aviation seems to think dogfighting is still a thing.
@@SleinJinn the Chinese fighter is but the Russian one makes zero effort to be stealth.
Russians want air to air fighters with no SEAD operations so they don’t need a super stealth aircraft and don’t integrate air support
Su-57 is a defensive fighter so by doctrine they dont need stealth as much. Also the IRST ball is retractable iirc. In all fairness RU and CHN dont seem to see stealth as much as a gamechanger.
These planes give me some real Kerbal space program vibes
HEY CAP
more videos on new SU 30MKI mod with its ground armaments
EDIT: also would love to see the BRAHMOS in anti ship role against india's rival china
rgr
In fact Cap didn't get shot down in the Russian presidential jet scenario; he ran out of gas flooring it out of Russia. :P
"Come down on lever on the left" lol polite sarcasm. Nice.
As a former US Patriot missile system operator/maintainer, I really enjoyed having my system in this scenario. Thanks!
Cool
shame that the patriot is useless against modern Russian aircraft, so what if you kill them? they're so fast by the time a SAM hits them, the target is dead
@@override367 you must be a child or someone with low IQ. This is a made up scenario. This isn't how it works. The SU-35 is a piece of sh*t and has a crappy PESA radar and Russia is struggling to find buyers for it. It's garbage. As for the SU-57, it's not even in production. They have like 12 prototype su57's. India backed off from buying them because they said the su-57 stealth was overhyped and not good enough
@@1.21Gigawatts_ Technically it's in production... the first production airframe crashed though xD. Russian fighters haven't been relevant since WW2. None of their military hardware is... just look at Ukraine. Overhype it and public false statistics to secure buyers, that's all they do. Shame DCS and games like War Thunder take their "public" statistics figures at face value.
@@Falinzin it's not in production. Once India pulled out of the SU-57 program, they were forced to stop. They didn't have the money to build it then and they definitely don't have the money now after the war. Just made it worse. It's never gonna get built
The unrealistic part is the SU57 felon had enough fuel to get to space an return.
The return is gravity assist, not a lot of fuel.
SU-57 is the longest range fighter in the world bud, f18 and all US planes have less range and a lower combat ceiling
@@battleshipman56 but to get to space requires a lot of fuel
@@battleshipman56 The longest ranged non-existent fighter. The only production model crashed and I don't exactly foresee Russia fulfilling that 76 piece order with their economy in shambles and their war fund frozen in European banks.
@@battleshipman56 all 3 of them? 🤣🤣
I haven't watched the video to the end so I don't know if that was mentioned, but the SU-57 having the same RCS as even the F-35 is very optimistic. Allegedly India left the joint development project of the SU-57 over concerns with the stealth capability. I feel like the RCS had to be much worse than that of the F-35 if India thought it made more sense to start from scratch with their own 5th gen fighter project. Makes sense too, it's Russias first stealth-jet and Russia has much less resources for R&D than the US.
An accurate Mach Number is dependent on the temperature of the surrounding air. If Cap wants an accurate Mach Number, he needs to provide speed and altitude (temperature can be estimated from that).
Bust out the E6B
@@markm7335 one of the boys would need to do the work though. Cap is too precious for such things; he is too busy stylin’ :-))). “Ich bin stylin”
@@vanguard9067 irony would be having simba do calculations. Crew chief with an E6B heh...
@@markm7335 Lol. Do you guys have as much fun as it appears on the videos?
@@vanguard9067 about 0.000001 percent of the time
Excellent video, I feel like this is Tigger and Eeyore playing DCS
Airforce 1 has so many classified defense capabilities It would take alot to bring it down
Facts
@mandellorian eh, debatable
Well done. I love these.
“Get off my plane” lol
19:50 why does Cap sound like the Canadians in South Park? 🤣
Sorry eh
I would like to note that professional unclass estimates put the rcs of the SU-57 at .1m2 not .01m2 and is likely the least stealthy of the 4 5th gen fighter by a long shot due to different russian design priorities.
thx
@mandellorian well the factors that make the RCS distinctly worse were deliberate compromises Russia made. In the IRST on the nose, (which really sabotaged the RCS) and stinger on the tail, plus other sensors and shapings. And that's not materials that have a much bigger effect on RCS when related singal characteristics. Shapeing affects all signal characteristics such as frequency mostly but not completely equally when talking about features of this size which won't be smaller then the wavelengths physical size (again in most cases).
Russia knew these things but yet made the design choice to put the IRST on there.
Which is very telling about Russia confidence in their ability to produce a fighter with a low enough RCS and good enough Radar vs Western 5th Gen to get a first detect and win that fight with Radar missiles.
Signed someone who used to work in USAF EW.
Just listening to your intro about the SAMs being able to track the 5th gen fighters and then them having to close and fire IR AAMs. Wondering if you get a 5th gen track on an F16 from a ground based radar or AWACS can you fire an AMRAAM in maddog mode and have it track and hit the target?
In these videos I find myself rooting for you guys.
Flying a god damn space ship here.
Cap, would love to see an early 1960's U.S. defense against a nuclear bomber formation with F-106's and Nike Hercules missiles!
agree
Weren’t those missiles tipped with nukes? Imagine having to take down nuclear-armed bombers by nuking them over your own territory.
@@w3vjp568 yup tipped with nukes. The Spartan and Sprint missiles from the early 70's also had nuclear warheads. But those were designed to shoot down ICBMs. The Sprint accelerated to Mach 10 in 15 seconds.
@@w3vjp568 A tiny nuke going off at 50,000ft is a lot better than a bunch of huge nukes going off at ground level in downtown.
Damn so now I want to see the Raptors do a High fast attack.. we only got a low one.. these vids are Soo fun
"God that was.....ugly" Sounded like you were afraid the FBI would come knocking if he said 'brillant'
"Predictions, RC?" "We're gonna die." Perfect!
I'd like to see if it would make a difference if AFO had at least taken evasive actions as soon as you were detected. Chaff and flares not withstanding.
We have a RC on the loose 🤣🤣 epic vid Cap thanks
Lol I actually made a really similar mission about a week ago haha except I put the raptors up against the new su-30 module
Obviously the AF1 mod doesn’t take into account any of the countermeasures that it has onboard. It would be interesting to see how the scenario would run with realistic CM.
Cap, what was that? "Ach, meine Lieben"? Man, you nearly made me spray my coffee 😂
Great entertainment! 🙏
lol oops
Cool to see RC in a modded plane i thought he didn't do mods, hope if he does he likes the A4.
P.S. welcome back man we missed you.
Wonder what ECM would throw into the mix. I ran into it on a server last night and it really sucked, made my AIM-120's useless; could just have been me not knowing how to use them in that environment
Good idea
@mandellorian I take it you have never seen the Air Force One flying in real life.... While it has ECM and other tools, it doesn't fly alone; normally has more then a few fighters that fly with it.
@@TheDgdimick I take it you haven't either, because AF1 is rarely-escorted. The only time in recent memory that it's had an escort was on 9/11 when things were sketchy. It doesn't need an escort, and fighters don't have the range to escort it around overseas anyways.
Random thought, that might make for a testing video?
Considering missiles, the speed of the missile determines what lead it needs to have to intercept a target. The radar or seeker on a missile is limited to a field of vision. (it can't see 360º).
So logically, there should be a practical limit for how fast a target can be, before the lead the missile needs to have, is so large that it looses track of the target.
I guess the question would be... What is the maximum targets speed, that a missile can hit? (basically, if the target travels faster, depending on angle of intercept, it should be able to go so fast that the missile simply looses sigh of it.)
I did have the SR71 video in mind here, because it simply outruns the missiles. For any missile to have a chance of hitting it, it would have to be fired from the front. (like the viggens did it,,well not actually DID it, but a simulated attack.) But any missiles coming at it from the sides, would have to have a huge lead, and simply loose track because they are flying in the same direction as the SR71, but in front of it.
So it would be interesting to explore that from the missiles point of view, so to speak. What would the maximum target speed be for a given missile?
I believe the reason why they got locked not only because of the powerful radar of the PAC 3, but also because the SU57 is only stealthy from the front. On all other sides it’s visible to radar.
It’s got the RCS of a gen 4.5 light fighter in a heavy fighter size profile
Roger maybe.
@@grimreapers recommendation: you could do USA Carrier Group, UK Carrier Group and French Carrier Group vs Russian Carrier Group, Chinese Carrier Group, and Pakistani Carrier group.
@@notalexzander2 wrong
You need to make T-shirt that says 'Put your face into it. That's an Hors-d'œuvre' -cap
OK, its probably that in any current or future conflict, gen 4.5 and gen 5 jets would work together. Gen 5 jets for maybe target aquasition and gen 4.5 further out as the weapon launch platform, obviously digital battlefield and all that the missiles being guided by the undetected stealthily jets. I wonder if this would work, if its modeled accurately.
You tell when Harrison Ford is piloting a plane, because he avoids the runways - preferring to land on the taxiways.
This is actually quite spicy. I love it.
The navy should have 600 fast but cheap drones that zigzag to saturize the radar and distract the sams
No they cant since they have commercial GPS installed in them, all the US needs to do is switch the public gps off ...
RC " we're gonna die." LMFAO!
The evil is defeated! The child-sniffer goes down with the plane
gotta love the anti-missle systems on the AF1 not active
Lol. Do we really need to worry about 4 out of 12 operational Felons? I know India was not impressed by them and decided to seek out the French Raefale(which is a good craft) instead. Hypotheticals are fun, but reality tends to crap on their parades. The Raptor would get a BVR kill on it in a heartbeat. The Eagle would too. Shit. Our Vipers would smoke them as well.
Nice to hear you again super cap, Falklands fleet on fleet battle 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Where are the fat amies? I know the USAF has a couple in the area...
Absolutely they would what they going to do grabbed them with a giant claw.... Air forceone is a sitting duck i believe....
1500 knots at 40000 feet is mach 2.6 almost 2.7, wow that mod is fast as hell
thx
So about O.6M faster than the thing is really capable of doing.
Honestly, the Su-57 in DCS is like god mode.
Ah yes, going Mach 2.6 in a climb, i guess when you have that kind of FM you can punch through anything
Infiltrate?, we’ll put that to the test. Patriot missile
Cap as you can see at 17:38 the pilons are not removed...Maybe this will affect the stealth configuration???
Thanks, weird shouldn't have done that...
"I dont know whats locking us"
Patriots: *laughing menacingly
Considering there is only two Su-57 Felons in existence and one crashed leaving only one in existence . Then I would have to say No way Jose !
Anyone else think Cap "didnt see the missles" as payback for RC's "watch the water for me" skills?
lol
Any predictions RC? "We're gonna die."
Bit of a difference between this and scenario with Russian Ari force 1.
You can try this one but with MiG-31s and R-37?
What are the specs of MiG-31 and R-37 in DCS?
Hell Yesssss!!! I was hoping for this!!!👍😊🤣🤣
So all you need is a pair of physics-adjacent Su-57s?
Gonna give people ideas Cap :D
Other than the fact af1 travels with 2 f22 Raptors, laser countermeasures, flares, chaff, and probably some other shit we dont know about, I'd say its pretty accurate
Get Away from my plane! Chewie.!
"rwArrr Arghhhhh?"
No kidding!
Okay...you need to give AF1 guns cuz...The Falcon isn't helpless!
Maybe you save it for May 5?
That 747 looks odd. Short upper deck like a -200, but winglets like a -400
As a precautionary measure based on Intel the US president was on Air Force 2. The United States is proud to announce that the president arrived unharmed.
phew
You should do one either taking off from Cuba and hitting Air Force one over the States, or the president landing in Alaska and taking off as Far East in Russia as you can. I don’t think you’d stand a chance in Alaska. Taking off from Cuba could be interesting though…
I’m sure Brandon ate an ice cream on the way down.
Of course. Mach two, straight in, fire missiles at 60 km out. Flares and chaff MAY, or MAY NOT effectively spoof the missiles, and the US fighter support would absolutely insure the bogies wouldn't get a second shot off.
Love buttons, thanks for the video! vvvvv
RC is back Awesome!
Great video as always, 1 question where can i get the su57 here because the tutorial you guys made on the pak fa mod is much different, also the "long range missiles" have a slightly shorter range than the R27ET, also in the barbarossa operation with the su57, where did you guys get the 37 nuc missiles i would like an answer because I would really want to fly this thing
Link to mods now in vid description.
@@grimreapers the su57 mod in the Other free mods playlist by cubanace is not the same one from operation barbarossa?
Hilarious Cap. Love it. I think RC is the AI Has a hard time to compute the info still 👍😃
"Afterburner on full. No questions!"
If it is Harrison Ford flying, he will smack that 747 down on the taxiway and ONCE again be given a phone number he has to call...
(Yes, there is a recording of that after his similar incident IRL on RUclips, props to him for being honest in that phone call.)
It's a bit difficult to know whether this or the Russian presidential jet scenarios would transfer over to a real life situation as there are too many questions related to secret technology with these jets.
I've heard RUMORS from military people that the U.S. AF 1 & 2 jets actually do have escape pods al la Snake Pliskin!! Honestly, I don't buy it but it is fun to think about.
I really dig this channel, something different every time!!
I'd love to see a scenario where you use the most modern, deadliest jet fighter/bombers you have and see if you can take out my HUGE sister in law before she eats your entire carrier group with a nice Tuscan chianti and some lima beans!
BRAAAAAAP! BEEYULCK!
Jack ~'()'~
Canada
85,000 feet and still climbing and performing in an SU-57?? I cant stop laughing!!
Capt. You Sir are my hero today. 😂
Thanks :)