Can A Stealth Fighter Bomber Squadron Beat A US Carrier Group? (Naval 15) | DCS

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  • @malusignatius
    @malusignatius 3 года назад +289

    What mods do you use for the stealth aircraft?
    (I know the D-117A's in DCS as a non-flyable aircraft, but I've also seen Reaper vids with flyable F-117As so I'm curious as to what mod they use for that too)

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  3 года назад +29

      All in here: ruclips.net/p/PL3kOAM2N1YJcbzwU5FCo0DRmCdF3owO1o

    • @london_james
      @london_james 3 года назад +3

      Yes

    • @malusignatius
      @malusignatius 3 года назад +3

      @@grimreapers Cheers.

  • @mi4936
    @mi4936 3 года назад +764

    A stealth fighter formation attacking a nuclear carrier group, flying at wave-top altitude, seems very much in the spirit of Ace Combat.

    • @recyclingbin_
      @recyclingbin_ 3 года назад +52

      and US tax dollars

    • @mi4936
      @mi4936 3 года назад +38

      @@recyclingbin_ All the US tax dollars.

    • @karnukabiyu2909
      @karnukabiyu2909 3 года назад +36

      @@mi4936 Every single one. And then some. Let's tax Canada a bit too

    • @mi4936
      @mi4936 3 года назад +13

      @@karnukabiyu2909 Grab all the black gold too.

    • @colinpickstock9117
      @colinpickstock9117 3 года назад +5

      Just Need some ICBMs lol I miss infinity

  • @RamadaArtist
    @RamadaArtist 3 года назад +460

    In This Video: "We employ the F-22A as a-"
    "Air superiority fighter!"
    "No. A $200 million cruise missile."

    • @andrewdoesyt7787
      @andrewdoesyt7787 2 года назад +31

      Plus the millions in training for the pilot.

    • @memyselfandi1300
      @memyselfandi1300 2 года назад +19

      @@andrewdoesyt7787 a pilot willingly plowing into a carrier.

    • @orbe5533
      @orbe5533 2 года назад +6

      Fax

    • @AlexeiTSE
      @AlexeiTSE 2 года назад +4

      Surely the pilot could punch out in time realistically.

    • @alanyesilipek7959
      @alanyesilipek7959 2 года назад +1

      @@AlexeiTSE yep and get waisted in his shute by 30mm aa guns :D better to just crash. much less painfull ı think :D

  • @thephantom2man
    @thephantom2man 3 года назад +448

    Next week :can the space shuttle coming in from orbit on a suicide mission kill a us carrier

    • @shanedoesyoutube8001
      @shanedoesyoutube8001 3 года назад +28

      WTF... when you take alucard Blackbird kamikaze dive to the next level

    • @rodrigonunez9451
      @rodrigonunez9451 3 года назад +7

      @@shanedoesyoutube8001 wait a minute. Theres a Blackbird mod in dcs to do this?

    • @shanedoesyoutube8001
      @shanedoesyoutube8001 3 года назад +5

      @@rodrigonunez9451 no, it's just in Hellsing ultimate

    • @ALTINSEA1
      @ALTINSEA1 3 года назад +3

      i know you are joking but i think that is the future of US space force nuclear attack capability. remember that drone spaceplane with clasified cargo that can stay in orbit for 3 year? what if those clasifieddrone space plane carrying nukes.

    • @shanedoesyoutube8001
      @shanedoesyoutube8001 3 года назад +2

      @@ALTINSEA1 just as strategic nuke bombers were being phased out in favor of ICBMs, the ICBMs are gonna be phased out in favor of space nuke drones (or maybe not entirely, just a wild guess)

  • @mandoreforger6999
    @mandoreforger6999 3 года назад +159

    $32B worth of bombers to kill a $4B carrier. Carrier still wins the procurement victory!😂😂

    • @narobii9815
      @narobii9815 2 года назад +3

      The real value is all the missiles and planes still stuck inside

    • @mandoreforger6999
      @mandoreforger6999 2 года назад +6

      That is included in the $4B. The empty ship itself is still $3B or so.

    • @animeemail8902
      @animeemail8902 2 года назад +5

      The real cost is training a new crew

    • @mandoreforger6999
      @mandoreforger6999 2 года назад +2

      @@animeemail8902 I hope you mean the carrier crew😂.

    • @junkname9983
      @junkname9983 2 года назад +2

      Carrier didn't even sink though. It might still be able to be recovered

  • @devyn.n05
    @devyn.n05 3 года назад +106

    "kamikaze ourselves into the carrier"
    yes, we are definitely the good guys

    • @helmsscotta
      @helmsscotta 3 года назад +6

      There's nothing actually immoral about Kamikaze attacks, provided the aircrews are actual volunteers.

    • @randompheidoleminor3011
      @randompheidoleminor3011 3 года назад +7

      @@helmsscotta most of the kamikazes of imperial Japan were volunteers too - indoctrinated volunteers, but volunteers nonetheless.

    • @KevinSmith-qi5yn
      @KevinSmith-qi5yn 3 года назад +12

      The destructive capability of modern weapons is greater than a jet running into an object. Returning to base is a better strategy with guided weaponry. Even in WW2, Kamikazes were not an effective use of resources.

    • @brianpartlow5530
      @brianpartlow5530 3 года назад

      He took one for the team!

    • @glitchanka4666
      @glitchanka4666 3 года назад

      @@KevinSmith-qi5yn Well, seeing as a normal bombing run is already suicidal as most of the planes would've been taken out. A high casualty rate for a fairly low hit rate. Kamikazes are fairly practical as even though they have a 100% casualty rate most of the time, it requires fewer planes to field. Requires less training, and most types of aircraft are capable. At least for World War 2 standards, using a modern plane may work but it's less than practical and far riskier with the advancements of radar and missile technology. Back then sure, a Japanese MXY-7 Ohka can't be countered when it's already going on a bombing run, but even then it had to be ferried fairly close to an Allied strike group with most of their motherships being eliminated by fighter patrols. Kamikazes are practical in that they require less training and fewer planes even if it ends up in a 100% casualty rate. Even in a modern standard, it can be pulled off, but doing such is a waste of resources with the amount of guided weaponry that exists.

  • @TakeTheL-iam
    @TakeTheL-iam 3 года назад +212

    I'm pretty sure that the reason the B2s got shredded was because they had their flap/ailerons/airbrakes or whatever up, just my 2 cents tho

    • @kmmediafactory
      @kmmediafactory 3 года назад +13

      that would increase their rcs

    • @mrkeogh
      @mrkeogh 3 года назад +33

      The RCS value for the B-2 in DCS must be too damned high.
      IIRC the F-117 is 0.025m^2, the B-2 is 0.1m^2, and the B-1B is 0.75m^2. The Spirit supposedly has the same RCS as a small bird. From some angles it could be as low (or lower) than the F-22 and F-117, as there are no vertical control surfaces or corners to reflect radar energy.
      Anyway, it's always been difficult to estimate the B-2's RCS because they typically carry radar reflectors or have escorts, especially when on non-combat missions outside of US airspace. We also don't know much about it's electronic warfare capabilities.

    • @mrkeogh
      @mrkeogh 3 года назад +11

      Spoilerons?

    • @joshuat20k
      @joshuat20k 3 года назад +1

      Yeas!

    • @TakeTheL-iam
      @TakeTheL-iam 3 года назад +9

      @@mrkeogh flaperobrakes

  • @youcangetholdofjules
    @youcangetholdofjules 3 года назад +27

    Slight problem - the water you'd be kicking up at 10ft above the water at 800 knots would be a dead giveaway.

    • @youcangetholdofjules
      @youcangetholdofjules 3 года назад +7

      Gotta say that the roll Over the mountains, even if it was just CGI was pretty fucking cool.

    • @roryross3878
      @roryross3878 3 года назад +2

      Sure, but they can't target a fast moving rooster tail, they need some kind of targetable signature, more importantly the water kicked up in front of the plane from the defending CWIS probably would have caused the plane to crash into the water, that was so much water to introduce into the engine intakes not to mention potential aerodynamic effects.

    • @mikerigley1
      @mikerigley1 2 года назад

      Enough to alert the sailors’ eyeballs and ears though. Which gives them enough time to engage the F22 with Phalanx.

  • @johnrollex680
    @johnrollex680 3 года назад +463

    You lost more than the value of that entire Carrier group in those b-2 spirits.

    • @jtrx753
      @jtrx753 3 года назад +48

      1 B-2 Spririt is $2.1billion USD

    • @theanarchist9733
      @theanarchist9733 3 года назад +96

      it literally would have been cheaper to send an icbm with a low-medium yield nuclear device and then deal with the consequences

    • @helmsscotta
      @helmsscotta 3 года назад +26

      @@theanarchist9733 : Iran would probably rather have some fallout than a rogue carrier group to deal with. They'd still call it a Zionist conspiracy and make a lot of noise, but they would, privately, breathe a sigh of relative relief.

    • @92HazelMocha
      @92HazelMocha 3 года назад +21

      Almost lost enough B2’s to fund two Nimitz-class’s

    • @juzoli
      @juzoli 3 года назад +6

      @@jtrx753 That’s the project cost, not the production cost. To produce 1 more B2 to replace the lost one is much cheaper than that. (Ignoring the fact that they don’t have those factories anymore)

  • @Duvstep910
    @Duvstep910 3 года назад +151

    The Grim Reapers; answering questions people would potentially think about 🤣

    • @shanedoesyoutube8001
      @shanedoesyoutube8001 3 года назад +9

      Grim reapers didn't do shit no one asked for
      But they did shit people would *likely asked for*

    • @kmmediafactory
      @kmmediafactory 3 года назад +3

      @@shanedoesyoutube8001 *thats right my guy*

  • @Davros-vi4qg
    @Davros-vi4qg 3 года назад +224

    Not the greatest raid in history, but the most expensive.

  • @adamfrank5510
    @adamfrank5510 3 года назад +247

    It looked like the southern B-2s were flying with their air brakes on when they got destroyed. Wouldn't that greatly increase their RCS?

    • @viruspter1dactl
      @viruspter1dactl 3 года назад +43

      Yep that's how a f117 was shot down becouse it put it airbrakes up and bomb bay open that greatly I creases they're rcs

    • @YourOldUncleNoongah
      @YourOldUncleNoongah 3 года назад +4

      yeh id spotted that too!

    • @roryross3878
      @roryross3878 3 года назад +2

      Probably but the northern ones got it too just at a nearer range probably where the radar resolution improved on the slick B2s.

    • @skyhorseprice6591
      @skyhorseprice6591 3 года назад +10

      Adam Frank yes it would. If you're flying a stealth mission to go at a carrier group, you have to pick your course and fly as straight as possible. Those ships all come packing some gargantuan radar power, so the deflection of control surfaces will compromise hour stealth. This is why the best configuration for stealth omnirole aircraft is tailless, using 3D TVC to maneuver, & with either no control surfaces, or lockable ones that can be uncoupled from the FCS so nothing moves on the aircraft except the TVC nozzles. That is rear aspect though; if that carrier group is seeing your 6, you already failed lol.

    • @huntjl88
      @huntjl88 2 года назад +12

      @@viruspter1dactl Not quite how it happened. The F117 was on return from bombing. The Yugoslavs found out that their radar at long wave lengths could detect the F117. Plus the US was using the same paths over and over. None of the missiles actually hit the plane but, one exploded close enough to cause damage and put the plane into a spin.

  • @APV878
    @APV878 3 года назад +550

    Next Challenge: Will a US Carrier Group beat a US Carrier Group?! :P

    • @rags417
      @rags417 3 года назад +50

      NO ! Unstoppable force meeting unkillable object will lead to the death of the Universe !

    • @robleonard6424
      @robleonard6424 3 года назад +13

      It would be like the fight during the Civil War on a Mississippi River the two ships fired at each other until they ran out of cannonballs. They both turned away and drove away.

    • @kristian_thick
      @kristian_thick 3 года назад +18

      Plot twist: no matter which one wins, the answer to this question is always going to be yes

    • @shanedoesyoutube8001
      @shanedoesyoutube8001 3 года назад +5

      @@robleonard6424 USS monitor vs CSS errrr Virginia???

    • @shanedoesyoutube8001
      @shanedoesyoutube8001 3 года назад +5

      You mean a US Carrier Group vs JMSDF Helicopter Destroyer Group???

  • @greatgandalf5233
    @greatgandalf5233 3 года назад +69

    My Dad flew for the Grim Reapers in the USMC, I still have his patch. I flew A6Es Intruders VMA-242 Bats... F-14Bs Phoenix missiles were absolutely impossible to defeat. A6E Intruder Diane Weapon system was much better than the Pigs Weapons platform. Never lost a "Pickle Barrel " contest. thanks Great Gandini, Man Moscow fears the Most.

  • @JDuBz815
    @JDuBz815 3 года назад +20

    Cap - "that was some of the best flying I've seen yet, right up until you got killed. You never, ever leave your wingman"
    -Jester
    lol awesome video, thanks for putting in the effort to make this series.

  • @appa609
    @appa609 3 года назад +32

    The SM-3's are having trouble because their terminal guidance radar is really really short wave, which happens to be where RAM works really well.

  • @carefulwatcher3073
    @carefulwatcher3073 3 года назад +26

    Well, scenario-wise it's either the rogue admiral you suggested or the Congressional budget conflicts have got a lot more intense

  • @winglessviper
    @winglessviper 3 года назад +68

    Cap, try this. Have the B-2s take out escorts on the way in. Do everything the same, but take out escorts and see if a B-2 can get through.

    • @s87343jim
      @s87343jim 3 года назад +5

      I'm thinking that too. Generally bombers would have fighters to protect them

    • @cdc194
      @cdc194 3 года назад +15

      I recommend taking out the E2 before the B2s can be detected, have the F117s take out the escort ships, B2s come in last to get the carrier and remaining escorts. F22s throughout the mix in case of carrier launches or CAP interference.

    • @CMDRSweeper
      @CMDRSweeper 3 года назад +12

      An even more interesting approach is to exploit the game and have the B2s fly circles outside that 15-16 mile circle where the SM2s can't lock them.
      Think of it as targets they will fire at, but can never shoot down, you can deplete their SM2 storages that way.

    • @roryross3878
      @roryross3878 3 года назад

      Load or load them with standoff guided missiles, maybe some low yield warheads on them...

    • @roryross3878
      @roryross3878 3 года назад

      @@cdc194 I don't think the game modeled that the GBUs can be tracked and targeted by AA.

  • @tobilikebacon
    @tobilikebacon 3 года назад +49

    b 2 irl: has never gotten detected
    b 2 in-game: gets detected instantly and every single one gets shot down

    • @yohannessulistyo4025
      @yohannessulistyo4025 3 года назад +1

      In Farnborough Air Show back in 2003, a nearby Rapier Jernas SAM installation "painted" a B-2. Granted, this was a B-2 that has just taking-off, their flaps and landing gear are still retracting.

    • @mkgzt
      @mkgzt 3 года назад +1

      1 was shot down and another was damaged by an S200 system

    • @kryartcole782
      @kryartcole782 3 года назад +14

      @@mkgzt That was a nighthawk, not a B2

    • @spiritof7624
      @spiritof7624 3 года назад +1

      one thing to note the b2 was designed to be able to surface skim and not for high altitude stealth as the USAF was not sure they were stealthy enough

    • @agsystems8220
      @agsystems8220 3 года назад +1

      @@yohannessulistyo4025 In those circumstances it would almost certainly have been operating with radar reflectors on. The RCS in a non combat scenario can easily be obfuscated, and there is nothing to gain from not hiding it.

  • @russellfisher2853
    @russellfisher2853 3 года назад +10

    It's kind of like putting sails on a carrier group, minus the wind, and having Pirates defend it, against fantasy country, with stealth jets. doing Target practice.

  • @tridder
    @tridder 3 года назад +19

    14:20 is exactly why there's always at least two poor souls standing on deck at all times. The Lowflyer could have easily been spotted at least a minute before impact.

    • @dallaswood4117
      @dallaswood4117 3 года назад +5

      I thought the same thing whether the radar sees it or not somebody is going to notice from a long way off visually and audibly a fighter jet screaming across the surface of the water in broad daylight

    • @roryross3878
      @roryross3878 3 года назад +1

      Sure but what could the observer have done to change the targetable range of the plane to CIWS? Maybe called general quarters and a few more sailors might have survived the kamikaze.

    • @smartfreak7105
      @smartfreak7105 3 года назад +2

      @@dallaswood4117 He was going above the speed of sound. They would not have heard this attack coming.

    • @tridder
      @tridder 3 года назад +3

      @@roryross3878 You can realistically see about 10nm at most wheather conditions. Planes can be seen relatively easily hence the report would have possibly enabled the radar operator to realize that there was indeed a signature. But I am not a weapons or gudaince officer and was just a sailor tasked with spotting these things.

    • @ohauss
      @ohauss 2 года назад

      @@smartfreak7105
      He was going above the speed of sound IN THE AIR. Forget about outrunning the speed of sound in water.

  • @rickburns1921
    @rickburns1921 3 года назад +53

    I hate to say this when you where flying that low at full speed that would be one hell of a roster tall of the water you would not have made it

    • @boylikenik6167
      @boylikenik6167 3 года назад

      I am fairly ignorant about the topic, what does “roster tall” mean?

    • @timothyskelly2060
      @timothyskelly2060 3 года назад +9

      @@boylikenik6167 the jet wash coming off the engines would cause a wall of water coming up behind the jet

    • @turbonegroegg
      @turbonegroegg 3 года назад +3

      @@boylikenik6167 quite sure it was a typo and he meant to type "Rooster Tail" aka the spray of water created by fast moving boats or in this case, a supersonic jet skimming the surface.

    • @roryross3878
      @roryross3878 3 года назад +3

      @@turbonegroegg indeed, and even subsonic planes can create the effect, Coast Guard airline frames do it often.

    • @ryanpayne7707
      @ryanpayne7707 3 года назад +5

      Yeah. Stealth or not, he isn't invisible. One of the escorts would have lit him up with CIWS.

  • @Hangman105
    @Hangman105 2 года назад +7

    The B-2s would have dropped to the deck if they were expecting to get that close to a carrier group. It's actually cold war doctrine for attacking aircraft to fly less than 100m if attacking a target that has heavy radar defenses. That's why they have terrain avoiding radar, so they can fly low and fast.

    • @peoplez129
      @peoplez129 2 года назад

      At the altitude he dropped it, I could easily see real world defenses blasting those bombs out of the sky, especially laser weapons.

  • @btbarr16
    @btbarr16 2 года назад +7

    From what I understand, the SM-2s being launched but not guiding is pretty realistic. Certain radars can see stealth aircraft, but they can't track them accurately enough to guide a missile to the target at certain ranges.

  • @marcboss6
    @marcboss6 3 года назад +16

    Can a carrier be defeated if the entire crew is on the flight deck eating soft-serve ice cream? That scenario is 4 times as realistic as that one

    • @roryross3878
      @roryross3878 3 года назад +1

      Escort crews have to be doing similar

    • @edwardmiller4562
      @edwardmiller4562 2 года назад

      People would still be manning the essentials.

  • @aevangel1
    @aevangel1 3 года назад +13

    F-22s take out AWACS, then fighter cover, then send in the F-117s to take out the Aegis, then let the B-2s clean up the rest of the carrier group.

  • @spotterstew
    @spotterstew 3 года назад +11

    Brilliant video Cap, great dedication to the cause with all the unseen background work that goes into setting these missions up.

  • @bobpage6597
    @bobpage6597 3 года назад +9

    "He's taken the full carrier group with him somehow....." This just made me laugh 🤣🤣

  • @xcsdjujih7466
    @xcsdjujih7466 3 года назад +17

    I dont know why but my Russian friend really likes this series!!!!!!!!

  • @MrMattumbo
    @MrMattumbo 3 года назад +29

    I feel like something is off with the modeling for the B2, I know they're bigger planes but they have much more advanced stealth than an F-117. Feel like they should've gotten through, though they really should've been at a higher altitude to mitigate visual spotting (they're really easy to spot during the day, like big black sky Doritos lol).

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  3 года назад +2

      Rgr, like I said in vid, stealth is only roughly modelled in DCS.

  • @Paveway-chan
    @Paveway-chan 3 года назад +4

    I love the idea of B2s flying through a veritable rain squall of unguided SM-2 missiles that can't see them through the stealth and chaff xD

  • @strahinjas.5135
    @strahinjas.5135 3 года назад +3

    Next challenge: can you recreate 1999 Yugoslavia and shoot down an F117 with a SAM 3 Goa or known in the east as an S-125 Neva/Pechora

  • @pahtar7189
    @pahtar7189 3 года назад +7

    Essentially your F-22 kamikaze run acted like a huge supersonic anti-ship missile. Russians would be happy to hear this.

  • @MadmanJnr
    @MadmanJnr 3 года назад +7

    Just imagine chilling on the carrier looking off into the distance and... bamb an f22 out of no where smacks into the side of the ship

  • @mattwagnerismylordandsavio5169
    @mattwagnerismylordandsavio5169 3 года назад +3

    20:11
    The dedication of the Launch crews are legendary!!! Their carrier is hit and about to go down but still ready to launch another aircraft. :)

  • @bigglessy
    @bigglessy 3 года назад +51

    The F-22 is IMO the best looking plane ever made.

    • @Xiphactinus
      @Xiphactinus 3 года назад +3

      *N O*

    • @ciwiyeet8216
      @ciwiyeet8216 3 года назад +2

      I respectfully disagree lol.. classic Hornet is clearly the seggsiest aircraft

    • @suitbanter1851
      @suitbanter1851 3 года назад +3

      that trophy has to go to the F4-Phantom II or the Gripen

    • @zanphore2489
      @zanphore2489 3 года назад

      I will say the F117 that is my favorite plane and would love a full fidelity one in DCS.

    • @AllenTheSwordsman
      @AllenTheSwordsman 3 года назад +2

      The f-4 is so sexy, but the Flankers look so good too. Honestly its hard to decide. I love most aircraft, beautiful machines.

  • @EternalTNS
    @EternalTNS 3 года назад +20

    These videos are incredibly well-made. Thank you folks for putting in the time & effort to make them as great as they are!

    • @sirsmarticus
      @sirsmarticus 2 года назад

      Yes, I agree, thank you for making these gems! 🔥🔥🔥☠️☠️☠️🔥🔥🔥

  • @jaketus
    @jaketus 3 года назад +3

    Grim: Flies into a carrier
    Carrier: Many huge holes across the deck
    Grim: I seem to have disabled the carrier by accident

  • @keefgtp
    @keefgtp 3 года назад +3

    Pretty sure the reason those B-2s started falling is because they had their damn speed brakes deployed! Talk about presenting a huge radar target. Compared to a clean configuration, obviously giant speed brakes are going to give the missiles a much more visible target. The F-117s don't have speed brakes that I'm aware of and because they're less aerodynamic than the B-2 they likely don't even need then to descend which means their RCS never went up. The B-2s' RCS went through the roof when they deployed speed brakes.
    Whatever code is forcing these planes to drop to 15,000 feet is ruining the simulation. That's a totally unrealistic tactic and obviously works against the stealth of these planes. I'm pretty confident that if that AWACS was killed early and especially if the B2s never had to deploy speed brakes that the missiles would've continued missing.

  • @Ladshark318
    @Ladshark318 3 года назад +22

    The slow motion tho!!! That’s awesome!

  • @jimnorris4600
    @jimnorris4600 2 года назад +1

    What is so cool about this is; now we do exactly what the military has always done, role play battle scenarios with a reasonable degree of confidence as to accuracy of outcome.

  • @DavidWilliams-nq6fj
    @DavidWilliams-nq6fj 3 года назад +1

    Really fun “sim”. One point I gathered from the Fighter Pilot Podcast episode on the E2, is that you do not refer to it as an AWACS.

  • @PepperPete11
    @PepperPete11 3 года назад +4

    Amazing. I do think spotters or Mark 1 Eyeball from those cruisers etc etc would have seen you far before you were able to smack that carrier. At least to get SOME fire on you from Seawiz. But this was freaking awesome to watch. :)

    • @CMDRSweeper
      @CMDRSweeper 3 года назад

      To make the CIWS fire, it isn't aimed manually, they need a radar track to basically fire, if they do not have that or the CIWS can't see the F-22, you can't make it engage it.
      Maybe some freak manual procedure is there, but in the time it takes for Cap to pass and do his run, it is too late in any case.

    • @phinix250
      @phinix250 3 года назад

      @@CMDRSweeper I thought they had an electro-optical/thermal tracking unit and could be fired manually by remote control.

    • @hertzwave8001
      @hertzwave8001 3 года назад

      @@phinix250 it can, but at that point it would be too late and you'd still have pieces of f-22 embedding itself in your ship

  • @pogo1140
    @pogo1140 3 года назад +1

    Btw, the US Navy don't have any frigates as part of the carrier battlegroup as of 2015 when the last OHP was decommissioned.
    The core of the CVBG is 1 CV + 1 Tico, a Destroyer Squadron composed of 6 Arleigh Burke class destroyer (sometimes a Tico is part of the Destroyer Squadron) is attached to the CVBG as needed.

  • @markingraham4892
    @markingraham4892 3 года назад +4

    That was really strange, it's almost like the b2s were visually detected and this somehow aided the radar.

    • @roryross3878
      @roryross3878 3 года назад +1

      As they got closer the radar resolution improved through some combination of gain due to shorter range and profile change as more of the underside and sodes were unmasked as opposed to more soley forward profile.

  • @Puttagirlon
    @Puttagirlon 3 года назад +1

    I love the straight up Japanese kamakazi tactic right out of the gate.

  • @tomriley5790
    @tomriley5790 3 года назад +4

    Nice video Cap, Kortana and Simba, this might actually persuade me to download the F22 mod :-)! Great flying by everyone!

  • @martinlagrange8821
    @martinlagrange8821 3 года назад

    All I could think about when seeing this delightful film is the exchange between Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson which might go a way into the thought-process giving rise to seeing this .. "You're drinking EMBALMING FLUID !" ... "oooohhhh YES ! Care for drop ?" Much enjoyed and thank you.

  • @SternLX
    @SternLX 3 года назад +7

    19:37 Tritonal is the name of the Explosive filler in US GP Bombs.

  • @knightvisiongoggles7934
    @knightvisiongoggles7934 3 года назад +5

    We need a Warhammer 40k mod for DCS if there isnt one already. "Can a space marine company beat a carrier group?"

  • @JB-wi7kr
    @JB-wi7kr 3 года назад +39

    why do the b2s have their spoilers deployed? wouldn't that cause a marketed speed and lift reduction + increase radar returns?

    • @jtrx753
      @jtrx753 3 года назад +4

      Yes

    • @joshstanton267
      @joshstanton267 3 года назад +2

      And the ceiling altitude the ai could bomb from 15,000 is not ideal either 🤔

    • @Feuerschaf
      @Feuerschaf 3 года назад +5

      It's just a visualisation bug. In DCS you often can see AI planes flying straight and level with rudders, elevators and ailerons fully deflected.

  • @kenhelmers2603
    @kenhelmers2603 3 года назад +2

    Wow. I think Cap messed up that carrier more than he thinks :) Luv hearing Kortana!

  • @mintsamich
    @mintsamich 3 года назад +22

    Try the Su-57 by CubanAce, it's broken and fast, lower radar cross section than F-22A in DCS, and it can go Mach 3 apparently.

    • @nicolaslabra2225
      @nicolaslabra2225 3 года назад +2

      its so broken i bet just 1 su 57 can destroy the whole fuckin carrier group

    • @hurricaneace143
      @hurricaneace143 3 года назад +1

      Since when has that thing gone Mach 3? I wouldnt be surprised if it was actually capable of that speed, since the Russians apparently perfected a proper engine for it now tho 🤔

    • @neurofiedyamato8763
      @neurofiedyamato8763 3 года назад +2

      @@hurricaneace143 Their intended engine was just more reliable... Dont think it was supposed to be faster

    • @hurricaneace143
      @hurricaneace143 3 года назад

      @@neurofiedyamato8763 wouldn't reliability mean they can ramp up the RPMs, since there's way less chance of a crit fail from high power output. 🤔

    • @TheByQQ
      @TheByQQ 3 года назад +2

      @@hurricaneace143 making something more reliable doesn't mean its more powerful.

  • @tbranch227
    @tbranch227 2 года назад +1

    Cap's slow mo kamikaze run was gorgeous!

  • @peoplez129
    @peoplez129 2 года назад +3

    Honestly I could see how firing and impacting the side could be more devastating in real life. Shred the side into cheese, allowing the crash to cause some amount of increased damage than if you crashed without the damage. But at that point, I would say arming missiles or fitting torpedo pods would be far more useful, even if you aren't going to drop them and just arm them while still attached. Although I would say the best tactic would be to drop torpedo's some distance away so that if you don't make it due to AA, they'll at least have a bad day from those torpedo's coming after.

  • @curtisblanco4029
    @curtisblanco4029 3 года назад +2

    This is the most interesting SIM.

  • @Jhagorz
    @Jhagorz 3 года назад +5

    I see why her call sign is Cortana lmao

  • @moo9557
    @moo9557 3 года назад +2

    its super cool being able to live so close to B-2s, the only good thing about missouri imo.

  • @sloppydog4831
    @sloppydog4831 3 года назад +8

    Once the carrier is static, you could test if the B-2s would launch the JSOWs.

  • @Mobius118
    @Mobius118 3 года назад +1

    Raptor’s RCS in real life has been reported as 0.0001 meters squared, MUCH smaller than in DCS (Frontal aspect). This places it around the size of a bumblebee or steel marble. It is currently the stealthiest aircraft we know of in the US arsenal.

    • @Mobius118
      @Mobius118 3 года назад

      F-15 pilots dogfighting it report never seeing it until they merged… if they were lucky. Pretty crazy stuff

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  3 года назад +1

      Yeh they had to change it in DCS to make it behave roughly realistically.

  • @peterprice14
    @peterprice14 3 года назад +3

    900 mph and 10 feet off sea level, omfg thats fast and insane

  • @MickShoemaker17
    @MickShoemaker17 3 года назад +1

    having 2 SM-2's whizz by the B-2s at supersonic speeds is such agreat shot

  • @neogenmatrix6162
    @neogenmatrix6162 3 года назад +12

    LOL, They made the F-22 way less stealth. Its radar cross section is .0001meter. about the size of a bumble bee. It is literally the most stealth aircraft the US operates.

    • @grigorispanousis9745
      @grigorispanousis9745 3 года назад

      0.001

    • @TR1ppl3
      @TR1ppl3 3 года назад +1

      The rcs of a f-22 is classified. But i read somewhere that the b-2 was “more” stealthy despite being way more big. It would make sense as well though. Having the inlets for the engines above the wings must help alot on the b-2.

    • @mrjava66
      @mrjava66 3 года назад +2

      The operational tactics make the B-2 ultimately the most stealthy. Keeping far away from the enemy gives strength to that 1/r^2 effect. Also, being beyond visual range helps. Also, putting most of the bottom of the aircraft as a flat surface that obscures the rest is super helpful for that below-front cross-section which is most important.

    • @grigorispanousis9745
      @grigorispanousis9745 3 года назад +1

      @@TR1ppl3 the rcs is 0.001 in the best angles

    • @neurofiedyamato8763
      @neurofiedyamato8763 3 года назад +2

      The thing is that value is only true when the coating is at optimal performance, not worn and at proper temperatures. RAM coating is high maintenance and won't be always at peak performance. Additionally, even a slight deviation in angles increases your RCS from the ideal. The RCS also increase when control surfaces move or bomb doors open etc. Modern radar can also detect bird size targets so stealth isn't invincible, it just allows you to get a bit closer. Hopefully close enough to use stand off weapons safely, but it is not always guaranteed.

  • @battlebirdbricks8892
    @battlebirdbricks8892 2 года назад +1

    That shot from what looked like the ships perspective of the raptor flaying low across the water was awesome

  • @matthewnicholson6777
    @matthewnicholson6777 3 года назад +3

    The Nimitz class carrier has a radar range of 100 miles with combat abilities up to 600 miles

    • @roryross3878
      @roryross3878 3 года назад +1

      It's not a great radar against stealth, the AWACS is the real radar threat, it should be close to the center of the group and have more CAP defending in such a heightened situation like a rogue carrier group transiting the straight of Hormuz.

  • @beefsuprem0241
    @beefsuprem0241 2 года назад +1

    That f-22 kamikaze run was epic, just wish he'd dubbed in LEROY JENKinnnnns at the moment of impact😃

  • @nonanon666
    @nonanon666 3 года назад +7

    Next week on Grim Reapers: Super Carrier vs Super Cap - Can the Death Star sink a modern US carrier group?

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  3 года назад +8

      ermmm, check out the vid coming out today at 22:45UTC :)

  • @WardenWolf
    @WardenWolf 2 года назад +2

    The problem is you assumed the B-2's would be armed with gravity bombs instead of cruise missiles. If you'd had them use cruise missiles, it would have ended far differently.

  • @CMDRSweeper
    @CMDRSweeper 3 года назад +3

    Told you Cap, diversionary tactics do work quite well! :D

  • @Biyobi.
    @Biyobi. 2 года назад

    That kamikaze sequence was just brilliant editing. Loved it!

  • @bignibba380
    @bignibba380 3 года назад +6

    I want to see 1 trillion lions vs a carrier group

  • @adrianpaz472
    @adrianpaz472 3 года назад +1

    Thanks for testing before making the video! It makes a world of difference!

  • @CNCTEMATIC
    @CNCTEMATIC 3 года назад +6

    In such a scenario, B2s would deploy some mix of Harpoons and similar stand off ordnance wouldn't they? Can that be done in DCS? Cool to watch in any case.

  • @noface4176
    @noface4176 3 года назад +2

    13:46 “hey chief what the hell is tha-
    HOLY SHI-“

  • @four-dimensionalperson
    @four-dimensionalperson 3 года назад +5

    B-2 have air brakes opened , that make rcs bigger , I don't know if it's modeled in DCS .

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  3 года назад +2

      agree

    • @bawbremy
      @bawbremy 3 года назад +1

      Agree. Saw that and figured the goes the RCS.

  • @buckaroobanzai8480
    @buckaroobanzai8480 3 года назад +1

    That low level attack rule for the Stealth Fighter is from the BilDo clinton DOD ROE. When the U.S. were using the Stealth Fighters over in Bosnia, They changed the height level to a lower one for some stupid reason.. I think it was that they didn't trust the Plots to do their jobs right and as I remember there was a lot of people upset over the rules being changed. one of the concerns was having a Stealth Fighter shot down and the Plot and technology being captured and it did happen, except for the Plot was able to escape. So when They did this Sim, They probably had the BilDo's Rules on how not to win a war.

  • @thewakeup5459
    @thewakeup5459 3 года назад +6

    Those B2's cost 1.1 billion dollars each!

    • @subjectc7505
      @subjectc7505 3 года назад

      Also nun has been shot down:). Only one was damaged and caught fire. So their extremely the best stealth bomber made. Only in DCS where they have been shot down 😂

    • @khoipham8303
      @khoipham8303 3 года назад

      A small price to pay for salvation

    • @thewakeup5459
      @thewakeup5459 3 года назад

      @@khoipham8303 The United States Air Force would beg to differ

    • @hertzwave8001
      @hertzwave8001 3 года назад

      i remember them being around 500-530mil each...

    • @thewakeup5459
      @thewakeup5459 3 года назад

      @@hertzwave8001 I double checked it's 2 billion. You're right if the year was 1997. Inflation is a bitch

  • @Boggoranthius
    @Boggoranthius 3 года назад +2

    So sad to witness Cap's tragic but heroic end. I do hope he gets a posthumous Victoria Cross.

  • @spartanalex9006
    @spartanalex9006 3 года назад +10

    Can ODSTs dropping straight on the deck of the flagship beat a carrier battlegroup?

    • @ryanpayne7707
      @ryanpayne7707 3 года назад

      Can Master Chief beat a US carrier group?

    • @bboynew
      @bboynew 2 года назад

      It'd have to be a team of 5 Spartans

  • @cadencaouette
    @cadencaouette 3 года назад +1

    I've how serious and complicated the plan is and the first min of flying he kamikaze a multi million dollar fighter into a carrier

  • @Wolfen443
    @Wolfen443 3 года назад +3

    How many ships or planes can you fit in these simulations?. Can large scale real history battles like Jutland (250, 125, 65 maybe ships) be done here?.

  • @cmibm6022
    @cmibm6022 3 года назад

    You found it unralistic, but I think that the dammage model for your kamikaze was amazing AND CORRECT: you came in from port side and the explosion took place at the starboard side - consistent with speed of the plane, exploding some milli seconds after the initial hit. AMAZING damage model!!!!

  • @spacetragedy
    @spacetragedy 3 года назад +4

    Eeeexcellent, now reeelease the boghammers (with a Mr. Burns voice) :))

  • @BufferThunder
    @BufferThunder 2 года назад +2

    My favorite stealth weapon is the S.B.D “Silent but deadly”

  • @Dulles2SASItaly1945
    @Dulles2SASItaly1945 2 года назад +3

    why fly straight and high when a B2 can use terrain and has smaller radar profile to the F117, also the airbrakes really give the plane away on the radar.

  • @raymondyee2008
    @raymondyee2008 3 года назад +1

    20:19 All I can think of is "Abandon ship! Abandon ship! All airborne craft are instructed to bingo to their nearest airbases!!!".

  • @Radetzky.
    @Radetzky. 3 года назад +7

    I would love to see US carrier group try to bombing Rusia territory, of course with all of Russian defending capabilities (ships, subs, and AA) in action!

    • @AlenB29
      @AlenB29 3 года назад

      I dont think we have the S-400 stealth buster in DCS

    • @geothompson9866
      @geothompson9866 3 года назад

      I would love to see that too but I don't want to experience it. WW3 will be like an Armaggedon!

  • @jmstudios5294
    @jmstudios5294 3 года назад +1

    These guys put in so much work, it is actually crazy

  • @troy9er
    @troy9er 3 года назад +24

    That was awesome!! Subbing. 👍🏻

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  3 года назад +2

      Welcome!

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  3 года назад +3

      Enjoy: ruclips.net/p/PL3kOAM2N1YJdV_JwZaN1yGScRAb_yUTHx

  • @briandelaroy1670
    @briandelaroy1670 2 года назад +1

    That first attack on the carrier was sick

  • @artonline01
    @artonline01 3 года назад +3

    This is my favorite video I have seen from you so far. I haven't seen all of your vids but I love the attack on Carrier group series. I know you try to keep things realistic as possible but perhaps do an attack on a Chinese or Russian group even if it has to be fiction to make it interesting? Either way keep making these and thanks for the effort.

  • @liammarra4003
    @liammarra4003 2 года назад +1

    Every demonstration should have the attackers approaching from multiple attack vectors. And whatever is coming towards them, if they aren't sea skimming then they're as good as dead, as we have seen most of the times.

  • @anonredditor7935
    @anonredditor7935 3 года назад +11

    I know I'm a minority voice and this all for fun. But I'm find myself beside myself with anger you hard nerfed the carrier by smacking into it at the start.

  • @sumantochanda2093
    @sumantochanda2093 3 года назад +2

    I am very certain that the crews on the ships escorting the carrier would have noticed the F-22 with their eyes and directed the defences to intercept by eyeball.
    Furthermore, those bombs would have been shot out of the air by the CIWS guns long before they could reach the carrier.

  • @a47mlb
    @a47mlb 3 года назад +9

    Cap’s kamikaze run was epic. Question; is there a difference modeled in if you rammed into the tower of the carrier v. ramming the hull?

  • @lucius6667
    @lucius6667 3 года назад +1

    Think the reason the SM2 missiles were locking on the B2s is because they had the air brakes deployed and also the missiles were coming at such a trajectory they were getting a return of the intakes above the wing

    • @martinpalmer6203
      @martinpalmer6203 3 года назад

      That would be assuming DCS properly models stealth or radar ... it clearly doesn't.
      The B2 wouldnt use bombs either though.. not against anything more than innocent villagers in 3rd world countries that don't even have rudimentary air defense systems or likely even know why they are being bombed..
      Against anyone remotely capable, they use Standoff weapons because B2s are 2 billion each aircraft and the US doesn't have many of them

  • @GuyUnderTheBridge
    @GuyUnderTheBridge 3 года назад +8

    You got way too close without being engaged. DCS treats stealth like a cloaking field?

    • @Adierit
      @Adierit 3 года назад +2

      works the same way in modern combat as well, can't fire a missile without a radar lock

    • @roryross3878
      @roryross3878 3 года назад +1

      @@Adierit correct, radar *or* heat signiature

    • @peoplez129
      @peoplez129 2 года назад

      @@Adierit Well you can, as long as you get a lock somewhere along the way. Might waste some, but it's not missing eventually that matters.

    • @Adierit
      @Adierit 2 года назад

      @@peoplez129 well you are correct in that you can fire a missile, and it will fly off aimlessly unless it gets a lock on the way, but the point still stands that if you never get a lock, it doesn't do anything

  • @ryiin
    @ryiin 3 года назад +2

    Now this is what I'm talking about cap. Great mission.

  • @doncalypso
    @doncalypso 3 года назад +9

    Most impressive...

  • @pup1008
    @pup1008 2 года назад

    I've always loved the Tomcat! Used to be a Jam song called "That's Entertainment" that was contemporary to the plane being in service that had the line ".... and the cry of a Tomcat" which always makes me think of that plane!