The idea with the B-1R was to use it as a supporting, long-range missile truck. Data link in, use an AWACS and the F-22/-35s to spot targets. Then, the B-1R would lob in LRAAMs while the AWACS/F-22/-35s designate for terminal guidance. The B-1R would also have an upgraded A-A radar and could, in a pinch, serve as an AWACS itself. Another point, not only was the B-1R considered with an internal payload, but also with external pylons. I think total missile count would potentially top 40+ AMRAAM-D/LRAAMs. With ripple fire. A stupid amount of firepower.
i remember someone in a discord doing the count and came up with (legitimately) 69 A2A missiles when you count both internal bays and external hardpoints
I was wondering about that. I recall watching a show on the History channel when I was a kid (think it was a special episode of Dogfights) where F-22s provided the B-1R with continuous guidance data via the data link so the B-1R could fire while being well out of harm's way. I think it was also stated that the B-1R probably wouldn't be made with too much regard given to stealth, making it a must for a stealth aircraft to provide guidance in some way.
That's not accurate the B1 has three rotary bomb bays that you could park a large SUV inside of. I think originally it might have carried 24 nuclear cruise missiles. Currently all B1's have had rotary launchers removed and refit for conventional bomb racks.
Definitely need to try sending the fighters ahead and letting the B1R have in reserve almost loitering with the AWACS or that far behind the FLOT. Let the F-22s fight and then once Winchester, the B1 begins to fire missiles as well and the stealth act as forward observers for the B1. Or if true data link was available in DCS you could remove the AWACS almost and let the F-22s do the guidance
I think the best way to use B1R is to keep it back and use either the Raptor/Lightning steatlh or AWAC to spot for it and fire at very long range. Kind of like the concept of an F-35/F15EX pairing.
@@blademaster2390 How secure is this datalink? More secure than an FTX crypto account, I hope? Well, I guess the account itself is pretty secure...safe as a safe on the Titanic.
If you haven't already, check out the book by Dale Brown - "Battle Born" - They convert the B1-B into a multi-role 5th Gen stealthy Fighter bomber, then turn it into an in-theatre ABM missile truck.
I would add serpentine engine intakes, chines along the nose, jigsaw edge panels, and modern modular avionics. Also the 2D vectored thrust nozzles from the F-22. Probably get it down to the very low observable range with all that. Would also like to see optional dual pop down weapons turrets out of the bomb bays. For AC direct fire ground attack mode. Maybe an M61 Vulcan 20mm and a CTAI 40mm cannon with cased telescopic rounds and 90 degree offset loading breech for the turrets.
@@stupidburp thrust vectoring would be wasted on it, considering it’s airframe is limited to a fairly low G number. Cant find a decent source but it sounds like 3-4 G.
@@stupidburp If your using a gun on ground targets, you are in visual range. Manpads and AA fire will murder you, as Ukraine has demonstrated, not a good idea. And no you can't strafe at mach 1 and hit anything other than at random.
I imagine you'd get some drag and a spike in RCS, but the doors are only open for a few seconds. You could probably launch between hostile radar sweeps.
yes, but its so breif and the raptors rcs is so low anyway, you wouldnt be able to get a lock or really anything off it, you probably would get a breif return giving you a idea what direction he is, but once it retracts hes at a super low rcs again. Actually, the raptors rcs is so low that, even with open bays open permanently i bet it would still possess a overall lower rcs than any other figther still.
And yeah! I suggested this after your last one, with the kissing trucks. Glad to see it happening. I’ve thought about similar since the F-22 and it’s datalink system was announced. I was like just load up a big fast bomber, with all the 120’s at the time…go let stealthy boy find and track targets, relay it back, then have them unload…and I was like which one? Oh yeah, the Bone, as it’s the only bomber we have that can kinda keep up with F-22’s, and be in close enough range to be of use plus it’s low observation upgrades it got awhile back.
Interesting test! The current Radar Absorbing Material (RAM) used on the F-22 starts to degrade ~M1.5, however when the ceramic RAM that's in development is finally put to use that will significantly lower maintenance costs as well as the speed range of the aircraft using it. Consider that ceramic RAM could possibly be used on the B-1 as well, making it more stealthy than it is now. It's a very interesting concept although upgrading the fleet of B-1B's with modern avionics and engines would no doubt be a very costly program. It's highly debatable whether that option would be more cost effective in the long term than building a completely new design optimized for the role. The concept is very interesting because an aircraft the size of a B-1 equipped with modern avionics would have the internal space for drone operators. UAVs that could potentially replace the role of the F-22, or otherwise form a package with capabilities complementing the B-1 in terms of sensors, EW and SEAD or to carry AG ordnance.
I think new build aircraft with an updated B-1 design with similar but improved capabilities would be best. A couple of current B-1 could be used as engineering test platforms for new components. The USAF has put the B-1B to heavy and frequent use over the last few decades. Quietly has been the most used bomber in inventory by far. Only reason why some in USAF neg on it is because it had nuclear weapons fusing capabilities removed for treaty compliance - a treaty about to expire. Even the maintenance record has improved, making it about equally available and costly to run as B-52. An updated design with modern modular avionics could be considerably easier to maintain. Would be a great complement to B-21 for the USAF. Also a great export opportunity to provide to allies.
There was a series on the History Channel back in the Aughts called "Dogfights." One episode examined hypothetical future dogfights, including a B-1R with AMRAAMs. In this scenario the BONER got targeting information from datalinks with its escorting Raptors.
Regarding the problem with the Mig-31s in the last mission... The solution is to put a speed governor on the B-1R. You have him slow down to where the F-22s can keep up, and you keep the F-22s way out ahead, 50 miles ahead of him, to ambush the Mig-31s, before they know what hit them, when they thought they were going to intercept a lone B-One R! That ought to do it. Ideally, the F-22s would bushwack the Mig-31s, before the Mig-31s get close enough to fire on the B1R, and while the Mig-31s are going defensive, the B1R can provide long-range fire support, to essentially double the number of munitions the F-22s have to launch at the enemy, and with much less risk of losing the B1R.
I love a good boner video! The B-21 Raider is set to be officially unveiled shortly and should be able to fulfill a similar role as this: effectively a 5th-gen stealth bomber that is capable of launching both traditional air-to-air missiles (AIM-120 and AIM-260) and upcoming hypersonic missiles, in addition to the more standardized loadout of precision bombs and cruise missiles. They're buying at least 101 units (potentially more) to effectively replace the B-1B and B-2 airframes. However, those B-1B and B-2 airframes will be going to the boneyard to be placed into long-term storage just in case there's a rainy day and the US needs a bunch more bombers to be activated. I just get this nice and warm-fuzzy feeling whenever the US military is capable of placing such amazingly effective military equipment into their long-term reserves. Essentially, the US could raid their inventory of reserve stockpiles spread throughout the globe on friendly territories and on cargo ships throughout the world and activate the major hardware (tanks, IFVs, APCs, MRAPS, attack/transports/utility helicopters, ships, and all varieties of aircraft including AWACs/EW/ECM/ISR/tankers/fighters/bombers/attack/drones, Humvees, small arms, transport equipment, etc.) and remain within the top-5 militaries by size and capability worldwide.
The B-21 also may be equipped with the mysterious “Long-Range Engagement Weapon,” which some have reported to be too big for the F-22/35 weapons bay. I, for one, am excited for the comically large AAM.
B1B is made to fly in low, beneath the radar, to deliver air to ground missiles. For an air to air platform, however, it would probably make more sense to come in at higher altitude, fire the missiles high and fast, and then dive, like the AI did in the sim.
It is equally capable at high altitude. Has a very high flight ceiling. When used to shoot long range missiles, a high altitude run makes more sense. It should be able to detect and avoid anything it can’t shoot down if a large AESA radar is included in the nose. That was part of suggested upgrades to B-1B.
@@stupidburp I'd like to see the B1R and 6 x F-22s versus 12 x J-20s and 2 x H-20s bound for Hawaii. Then I'd like to see 4 x B1Rs defeat the entire Japanese strike force at Pearl Harbor.
I didn't know the B-1 could launch while going super sonic. Opening those big doors at Mach 2 is that feasible? Or would it have to be externally mounted ordinance?
I'm suprised nobody has put something like a torpedo launch tube on a plane since they're so worried about stealth. The radar profile when it was opened would only be the diameter of the missile. There might be a weight issue but that's something that can be solved by shaving weight vs having to invent new tech or materials.
It was originally designed for supersonic bomb runs in the B-1A configuration. B-1B operates much slower primarily because of engine intake modifications optimized for stealth instead of speed. Swap in fast intakes again and it can indeed perform supersonic missile launch runs at Mach 2.
@@readhistory2023 Problem with that is you'd either need the rocket motor to ignite to launch it out of the tube - which means you're basically turning the weapons bay, and by extension, the interior of the plane, into the chamber of a gun as you're confining that explosive thrust in an enclosed space - or you'd have to pneumatically or electromagnetically launch the missile down the tube - which sounds simple, but then you consider you have to build a system powerful enough to launch a twelve foot long, 350+ lbs missile forward hard enough and fast enough that it achieves enough separation from the aircraft that it doesn't damage the plane when the motor kicks on, or strike the plane if it happens to be maneuvering during launch, and then you start looking at a system that is significantly heavier and more prone to failure than a pair of doors that open and shut really quickly.
Russia had a similar concept with the Tu-22m carrying R33's, this was in the original HARPOON back in Windows 3.1/95 days a modern version of course would be able to carry large numbers of R37m's and have a range well over 3000nm the concept was originally that the R37 armed Tu-22ms would be mixed with Anti-Shipping Tu22's and be used to strike carriers, but also do so vs the Aim54 armed Tomcats and take out CAP and AWACS ahead of an inbound strike
I remember seeing a concept with the B-1R as a refueling boom. Not sure if was just somebodies random doodling for it but if it had a boom then the B-One-R would be a better with that config. RB.....
I think that all the B-2 bombers should be converted into dedicated fuelers after B-21 are delivered. That would provide a relatively stealthy fueling option for stealth aircraft operating near hostile airspace. The fuel boom will still be visible but the overall radar signature would be in the low observable range. Much better than other fuelers based on commercial airliners.
@@stupidburp To convert B-2's to a refueler you prob might as well design a brand new stealth aircraft for the cost of that conversion. Refuelers already get near the airspace so the need for a stealth refueler is not necessary. Just would seem like an unnecessary risk to have a refueler in the AO.
the slipstream effect works for planes, but you cant essentially like form a line behind 1 plane and all be in a straight line directly behind one another because than wake turbulence would atleast i imagine make things shaky, but if you fly in a close formation like a v im pretty sure it works, birds might of figured this trick out tbh.
By the way, the B-1R IF BUILT, has been drawn and designed with a split V tail, to replaece the T tail of the B-1B, the B-1R concept is also a missile truck for AIM-120's for the F-22 to find and pick targets and guide the AIM-120's from the B-1R to large enemy arial formations.
I suspect this is what NGAD is going to come out as. Given the requirements - a crewed mothership aircraft supported by multiple Loyal Wingman drones - we're definitely looking at a larger platform; why not go the whole hog and make it something like B-1R.
I had wondered what it would do with F22 engines. Cool. I had used the B2 as a missile truck, way back in the days of Jane's ATF. I put Phoenix missiles in it, and only turned on the radar occasionally, to get locks. For fun, I landed it on a carrier. Okay, that took a few tries.
7:30 wake turbulence starts off moving around the wingtip in a circle, goign downwards under the wing, upwards outside th wingtips, inwards above hte wingtips and outwards underneath them it spreads out from there so if you fly right behind a plane the wake turbulene puhes yo udown but if you fly in a v formation it pushes you up basically since te air around you is moving upwards you can maintain altitudeb ut stil lfly at a downwars slope relative to the air around you - so you cna save fuel by flying ina v formation but you need more fuel i you fly right behind each other meanwhile, cars don't really care much about air moving up or down slightly, however by conservation of momentum, having drag means dragging some air along with you so driving right behind another car gives you ab it of a tailwind meaning you move slwoer relative to hte air around you and experience less drag boner
Re-implement (approve) the previously canceled, AGM-131 SRAM II project because the Chinese and North Koreans need love too. Tie an approved, new B-1R production run to the B-21 program to "pave the roads" ahead of the B-21s etc. Think HARM missile with a 200 KT yield and a 400 km range. Build a new run of B1-B bombers, with updated engines, electronics, and 25mm defensive, rear canon, laser canon to dazzle/destroy enemy missiles, and rear-facing missiles for chasing fighters on the bomber's 6-o'clock pos.
The first background on my first computer. Was a B1b on the deck 20m over a lake with a massive rooster tail of water. Please try an map of the earth mission.
B-1B's ceiling is 60,000 Ft. Crew of 4. And this was played out on Air Power I think as B-1B's as Missile Trucks. Fighting 4th/5th Gen China/Russia aircraft. If you had Kc-135 to refuel and a AWACS in this... It would be just like the TV show.. Now I'm going to look for the show on Discovery +
The aircraft can probably go even higher but it is risky for flight crews above 60k because of the pressure. Would have to be constantly bottled up in pressure suits.
Ah yes the B One R... You'll never convince me that the E4 mafia didn't come up with that name, or it would have if the E4 mafia existed. Which it doesn't...
The crazy thing is that one, singular B-1 is the same as like 16 Himars with its original cruise missile load. A single squadron of B-1s, with the appropriate logistics and target support could logically hit the *entire Russian front* at once.
You guys need to read an author named Dale Brown and his aerial Battleship books. Imagine that b1r with stealth coding and ground air and anti-rad missiles escorting in a B-52 with the big boom boom boom
B-2 carry capacity is just slightly less than B-1B. But I think a better conversion for B-2 would be to turn them into fuelers. Stealthy fuelers could provide sips to F-35 and B-21 close to hostile areas.
Brilliant clouds and sky graphics. Very impressed. The boner is fantastic looking aircraft. When guys can fly it. That be interesting to see. Good job. 👍😊
Wasn't it a Tom Clancy novel that had a B52 with air to air capacity? Before HOBS, there were rear facing and firing Sidewinders called Backwinders, and tons of on board jammers. Might be a different author??
If they go this direction (likely not given how expensive the B1 is to maintain) they can/should equip it with the LREW (Long Range Engagement Weapon) which is going to be a massive air launched AAM. My guess is that it will be significantly larger than an AIM 260/ AIM-120 but could prpbably still fit in the internal bays of a B-1/B-52/B-21. This would make it ideal to use older bombers as massvie missile trucks with mega long range AAMs data linked all the way to their targets from 150+ miles away. This keeps the launch platform safe and the enemy in lots of danger.
Nice proof of concept. I would anticipate a strike package to have a dedicated jamming aircraft, AWAC and a fighter screen 100 miles in front of the "B1R". They can be called the condom. What I didn't anticipate was how fast the aircraft was or how hard it was to keep up with it with modern 21st century aircraft. Note: For each aircraft splashed, roughly $50M.... each missile cost $1M. I recall sometime in the 1990s they had considered doing something similar (anti air) with the B52s. The Pentagon ended up turning them into cruise missile trucks instead.
Want to see the B-21 Raider in similar role. That would be frekain awesome. :D Sltealth, fast, missile truck, good radar. Iam pretty sure that the B-21 Raider with this setup can wipe all the MiG-31 Foxhounds without being detected like an ease.
In the 1992 book, The sixth Battle, B1B's are used as missile trucks against several TU22 & 16's regiments off the east coast of Africa, that are targeting a US Carrier Group, that is supporting South Africa, from a Russian/African invasion. Apparently, the B1B has the same A/A radar as a F16A. The book itself is worth a read.
Thinking of how a B-1R might be employed, I think about Red Storm Rising where fleets of Soviet bombers would go after convoys in the Atlantic. Put a few B-1Rs out there to intercept the enemy bombers. The B-1R would have the range to cover the whole north atlantic and the speed to chase the Soviet bombers right out of the hemisphere
That or, since it has larger crew very high speed and long loiter time/range, could act as a quick response for front line fighters that get jumped by enemy planes for a larger region than a CAP fighter I would assume.
Hey how come you guys don’t utilize the B-1’s ground tracking flight radar in a war game? She can maintain 200ft AGL flight to approach targets. Could be a cool scenario.
Need more stealth on B-1R or more electronic warfare in the area to bring MiG-31 engagement range below that if B-1R. But EW not fully implemented in game
I’m wondering if the b1-r might end up with a similar or the same stealth coating the raptor has, with its shape/design and a coating like that, it’s possible enemies will have issues detecting the boner before it can lob missiles at them
Anyone got link to the F-22? Is this a mod?
Mods: ruclips.net/p/PL3kOAM2N1YJcbzwU5FCo0DRmCdF3owO1o
oh its an excellent mod
The idea with the B-1R was to use it as a supporting, long-range missile truck. Data link in, use an AWACS and the F-22/-35s to spot targets. Then, the B-1R would lob in LRAAMs while the AWACS/F-22/-35s designate for terminal guidance. The B-1R would also have an upgraded A-A radar and could, in a pinch, serve as an AWACS itself. Another point, not only was the B-1R considered with an internal payload, but also with external pylons. I think total missile count would potentially top 40+ AMRAAM-D/LRAAMs. With ripple fire. A stupid amount of firepower.
i remember someone in a discord doing the count and came up with (legitimately) 69 A2A missiles when you count both internal bays and external hardpoints
*regional*
@@hertzwave8001 nice
I was wondering about that. I recall watching a show on the History channel when I was a kid (think it was a special episode of Dogfights) where F-22s provided the B-1R with continuous guidance data via the data link so the B-1R could fire while being well out of harm's way.
I think it was also stated that the B-1R probably wouldn't be made with too much regard given to stealth, making it a must for a stealth aircraft to provide guidance in some way.
I think the history channel made a DogFights episode that was basically this concept
As a B-1 maintainer I want this jet to be a thing. Also who ever thought of the B-1R knew what they were doing when naming it.
Super disappointed at how many people don’t seem to find it as funny as I do.
@@danielhixson2147 say hello to the E-4 mafia
I see these things all the time as I live near Tinker AFB. They are majestic planes, absolutely amazing.
The "boner" 🤣
I love how even the B-1R only carries 2 more missiles than the F-15EX in real life...
its not boner its B1B Bone, because it was painted white originally when it was delivered
In real life it could probably carry way more
That's not accurate the B1 has three rotary bomb bays that you could park a large SUV inside of.
I think originally it might have carried 24 nuclear cruise missiles.
Currently all B1's have had rotary launchers removed and refit for conventional bomb racks.
@@kylegoldston Oh. I stand corrected.
Definitely need to try sending the fighters ahead and letting the B1R have in reserve almost loitering with the AWACS or that far behind the FLOT. Let the F-22s fight and then once Winchester, the B1 begins to fire missiles as well and the stealth act as forward observers for the B1. Or if true data link was available in DCS you could remove the AWACS almost and let the F-22s do the guidance
Cap: Don't crash into each other!
Also Cap: Almost crashes into someone.
Whoops
Man, I thought the B-1B was loud with the GE-F101s. I can't even imagine how loud it'd be with the P&W-F119s.
Could you imagine it with four F135s!!! 172k lbs of thrust in afterburner!!!
Is that the loudest 🤷
@@cplan22 The XB-70 Valkyrie on full afterburner with its 6x YJ93 turbojets running on zip fuel might have been louder still.
If the B-1R is shot down, I guess the missile that beat the B-one-R is Erectile Dysfunction
Mate it's not a real plane it's a concept
@@christopherfox7650 Didn't say it was
Hahaha thx :)
You watched the Fat Electrician or was a USAF E-4 mafia member.
@@michaelernst3731 Nope. Just a... total Nerd
I think the best way to use B1R is to keep it back and use either the Raptor/Lightning steatlh or AWAC to spot for it and fire at very long range. Kind of like the concept of an F-35/F15EX pairing.
I mean, that’s the power of datalink. As long as one asset can see targets, *_every_* asset can see targets.
I think we should call the missile spotting aircraft "fluffers"
@@blademaster2390 How secure is this datalink? More secure than an FTX crypto account, I hope? Well, I guess the account itself is pretty secure...safe as a safe on the Titanic.
@@TheStormpilgrim you can intercept the data, but decryption will take 2-3 days. So pretty safe.
that is absolutely ridiculous
and i love it
No intention of ever playing DCS, but I am so into any Grim reapers content. So well done Cap and co. !
If you haven't already, check out the book by Dale Brown - "Battle Born" - They convert the B1-B into a multi-role 5th Gen stealthy Fighter bomber, then turn it into an in-theatre ABM missile truck.
You guys are actually geniuses I'm absolutely loving all the new vids especially with the new modernisation mod, love it
I can see why mods like these aren't popular though. It's cool to watch but BVR only combat would get boring fast lol.
@@rubiconnn agreed, which is why growling sidewinder is also fun to watch :)
Great video. The F-18 with the maxed missile loadout was also fun. More mods the better.
B1r has a V tail and RAM coating in its design.
I would add serpentine engine intakes, chines along the nose, jigsaw edge panels, and modern modular avionics. Also the 2D vectored thrust nozzles from the F-22. Probably get it down to the very low observable range with all that.
Would also like to see optional dual pop down weapons turrets out of the bomb bays. For AC direct fire ground attack mode. Maybe an M61 Vulcan 20mm and a CTAI 40mm cannon with cased telescopic rounds and 90 degree offset loading breech for the turrets.
@@stupidburp thrust vectoring would be wasted on it, considering it’s airframe is limited to a fairly low G number. Cant find a decent source but it sounds like 3-4 G.
@@stupidburp If your using a gun on ground targets, you are in visual range. Manpads and AA fire will murder you, as Ukraine has demonstrated, not a good idea. And no you can't strafe at mach 1 and hit anything other than at random.
2 Questions: When an F-22 opens it's bay doors to launch does the RC change? At Mach 2.1, does it slow down due to added drag of the doors opening?
I imagine you'd get some drag and a spike in RCS, but the doors are only open for a few seconds. You could probably launch between hostile radar sweeps.
Dump missile spam and turn cold, Mach 2 escape
yes, but its so breif and the raptors rcs is so low anyway, you wouldnt be able to get a lock or really anything off it, you probably would get a breif return giving you a idea what direction he is, but once it retracts hes at a super low rcs again. Actually, the raptors rcs is so low that, even with open bays open permanently i bet it would still possess a overall lower rcs than any other figther still.
The bay contains RAM in real life so they will see the missile and that's about it
In game - NO real life - no idea?
That was one raging angry B one R , so excited to see it in action , really enjoyed this engagement sim 😀
Such great in-game commentary from all of you. It is an honor to be a valued viewer!
And yeah! I suggested this after your last one, with the kissing trucks. Glad to see it happening. I’ve thought about similar since the F-22 and it’s datalink system was announced. I was like just load up a big fast bomber, with all the 120’s at the time…go let stealthy boy find and track targets, relay it back, then have them unload…and I was like which one? Oh yeah, the Bone, as it’s the only bomber we have that can kinda keep up with F-22’s, and be in close enough range to be of use plus it’s low observation upgrades it got awhile back.
Interesting test! The current Radar Absorbing Material (RAM) used on the F-22 starts to degrade ~M1.5, however when the ceramic RAM that's in development is finally put to use that will significantly lower maintenance costs as well as the speed range of the aircraft using it. Consider that ceramic RAM could possibly be used on the B-1 as well, making it more stealthy than it is now. It's a very interesting concept although upgrading the fleet of B-1B's with modern avionics and engines would no doubt be a very costly program. It's highly debatable whether that option would be more cost effective in the long term than building a completely new design optimized for the role.
The concept is very interesting because an aircraft the size of a B-1 equipped with modern avionics would have the internal space for drone operators. UAVs that could potentially replace the role of the F-22, or otherwise form a package with capabilities complementing the B-1 in terms of sensors, EW and SEAD or to carry AG ordnance.
Great post @LuminGhost! ☺️
I think new build aircraft with an updated B-1 design with similar but improved capabilities would be best. A couple of current B-1 could be used as engineering test platforms for new components. The USAF has put the B-1B to heavy and frequent use over the last few decades. Quietly has been the most used bomber in inventory by far. Only reason why some in USAF neg on it is because it had nuclear weapons fusing capabilities removed for treaty compliance - a treaty about to expire. Even the maintenance record has improved, making it about equally available and costly to run as B-52. An updated design with modern modular avionics could be considerably easier to maintain.
Would be a great complement to B-21 for the USAF. Also a great export opportunity to provide to allies.
@@stupidburp Great points @Stu Bur ☺️
But at what air density?
There was a series on the History Channel back in the Aughts called "Dogfights." One episode examined hypothetical future dogfights, including a B-1R with AMRAAMs. In this scenario the BONER got targeting information from datalinks with its escorting Raptors.
Regarding the problem with the Mig-31s in the last mission... The solution is to put a speed governor on the B-1R. You have him slow down to where the F-22s can keep up, and you keep the F-22s way out ahead, 50 miles ahead of him, to ambush the Mig-31s, before they know what hit them, when they thought they were going to intercept a lone B-One R! That ought to do it.
Ideally, the F-22s would bushwack the Mig-31s, before the Mig-31s get close enough to fire on the B1R, and while the Mig-31s are going defensive, the B1R can provide long-range fire support, to essentially double the number of munitions the F-22s have to launch at the enemy, and with much less risk of losing the B1R.
Need to cover in RAM to create the deep penetration black bone-R
I love a good boner video!
The B-21 Raider is set to be officially unveiled shortly and should be able to fulfill a similar role as this: effectively a 5th-gen stealth bomber that is capable of launching both traditional air-to-air missiles (AIM-120 and AIM-260) and upcoming hypersonic missiles, in addition to the more standardized loadout of precision bombs and cruise missiles.
They're buying at least 101 units (potentially more) to effectively replace the B-1B and B-2 airframes. However, those B-1B and B-2 airframes will be going to the boneyard to be placed into long-term storage just in case there's a rainy day and the US needs a bunch more bombers to be activated. I just get this nice and warm-fuzzy feeling whenever the US military is capable of placing such amazingly effective military equipment into their long-term reserves. Essentially, the US could raid their inventory of reserve stockpiles spread throughout the globe on friendly territories and on cargo ships throughout the world and activate the major hardware (tanks, IFVs, APCs, MRAPS, attack/transports/utility helicopters, ships, and all varieties of aircraft including AWACs/EW/ECM/ISR/tankers/fighters/bombers/attack/drones, Humvees, small arms, transport equipment, etc.) and remain within the top-5 militaries by size and capability worldwide.
The B21 will never be able to do this. Speed is so underated.
@@snakeinthegrak8969 no need for speed if you can't be shot down, and if SEAD missions have been accomplished there is no need for speed
@@theboothy91 if you think something can't be shot down, you're ignorant as all fucks.
@@theboothy91 ruclips.net/video/7fCCnNOhFtg/видео.html
The B-21 also may be equipped with the mysterious “Long-Range Engagement Weapon,” which some have reported to be too big for the F-22/35 weapons bay. I, for one, am excited for the comically large AAM.
Entertaining hearing flyers talk. I was way below the clouds. Actually below the waterline on the Enterprise
I know I’m stoned and all….and idk how to suggest this or word it right but I’d like to hear more of your team more of the time. All of them!
8:28 " He's gonna pop"! 🤣🤣🤣
The ultimate SPAMRAM delivery device :questionmark:
B1B is made to fly in low, beneath the radar, to deliver air to ground missiles. For an air to air platform, however, it would probably make more sense to come in at higher altitude, fire the missiles high and fast, and then dive, like the AI did in the sim.
It is equally capable at high altitude. Has a very high flight ceiling. When used to shoot long range missiles, a high altitude run makes more sense. It should be able to detect and avoid anything it can’t shoot down if a large AESA radar is included in the nose. That was part of suggested upgrades to B-1B.
@@stupidburp I'd like to see the B1R and 6 x F-22s versus 12 x J-20s and 2 x H-20s bound for Hawaii. Then I'd like to see 4 x B1Rs defeat the entire Japanese strike force at Pearl Harbor.
Launch the raptors before the B1R. Plan it correctly and the B1 will catch the raptors just before firing.
You guys never disappoint us!! Again a interesting video!!
I didn't know the B-1 could launch while going super sonic. Opening those big doors at Mach 2 is that feasible? Or would it have to be externally mounted ordinance?
I'm suprised nobody has put something like a torpedo launch tube on a plane since they're so worried about stealth. The radar profile when it was opened would only be the diameter of the missile. There might be a weight issue but that's something that can be solved by shaving weight vs having to invent new tech or materials.
It was originally designed for supersonic bomb runs in the B-1A configuration. B-1B operates much slower primarily because of engine intake modifications optimized for stealth instead of speed. Swap in fast intakes again and it can indeed perform supersonic missile launch runs at Mach 2.
@@readhistory2023 Problem with that is you'd either need the rocket motor to ignite to launch it out of the tube - which means you're basically turning the weapons bay, and by extension, the interior of the plane, into the chamber of a gun as you're confining that explosive thrust in an enclosed space - or you'd have to pneumatically or electromagnetically launch the missile down the tube - which sounds simple, but then you consider you have to build a system powerful enough to launch a twelve foot long, 350+ lbs missile forward hard enough and fast enough that it achieves enough separation from the aircraft that it doesn't damage the plane when the motor kicks on, or strike the plane if it happens to be maneuvering during launch, and then you start looking at a system that is significantly heavier and more prone to failure than a pair of doors that open and shut really quickly.
I have no idea TBH.
P8 Poseidon hauling Navy SM-6, not as an interceptor or missile truck.... but AWACS escort.
Russia had a similar concept with the Tu-22m carrying R33's, this was in the original HARPOON back in Windows 3.1/95 days a modern version of course would be able to carry large numbers of R37m's and have a range well over 3000nm the concept was originally that the R37 armed Tu-22ms would be mixed with Anti-Shipping Tu22's and be used to strike carriers, but also do so vs the Aim54 armed Tomcats and take out CAP and AWACS ahead of an inbound strike
The B-1R is a really interesting concept that I hope the Yanks will make happen!
I remember seeing a concept with the B-1R as a refueling boom. Not sure if was just somebodies random doodling for it but if it had a boom then the B-One-R would be a better with that config. RB.....
I think that all the B-2 bombers should be converted into dedicated fuelers after B-21 are delivered. That would provide a relatively stealthy fueling option for stealth aircraft operating near hostile airspace. The fuel boom will still be visible but the overall radar signature would be in the low observable range. Much better than other fuelers based on commercial airliners.
@@stupidburp To convert B-2's to a refueler you prob might as well design a brand new stealth aircraft for the cost of that conversion. Refuelers already get near the airspace so the need for a stealth refueler is not necessary. Just would seem like an unnecessary risk to have a refueler in the AO.
Current fuelers are a point of vulnerability. J-20 are going to go straight for AWACS and fuelers then bug out.
"Do you think the B1R is gonna shoot its load all at once" cracked me up
I like when you said that you don't want to give up all your great ideas to the [powers that be] haha
"Now that's a hell of a bomb truck" - Hot Shots! Part Deux.
the slipstream effect works for planes, but you cant essentially like form a line behind 1 plane and all be in a straight line directly behind one another because than wake turbulence would atleast i imagine make things shaky, but if you fly in a close formation like a v im pretty sure it works, birds might of figured this trick out tbh.
Correct
thinking the aim260 is optimised for very high altitude... that attitude adjustment rocket thing would work nicely in a thin atmosphere
4:01 I can't stop laughing. 35:08 "He's a Lover not a Fighter"
By the way, the B-1R IF BUILT, has been drawn and designed with a split V tail, to replaece the T tail of the B-1B, the B-1R concept is also a missile truck for AIM-120's for the F-22 to find and pick targets and guide the AIM-120's from the B-1R to large enemy arial formations.
I suspect this is what NGAD is going to come out as. Given the requirements - a crewed mothership aircraft supported by multiple Loyal Wingman drones - we're definitely looking at a larger platform; why not go the whole hog and make it something like B-1R.
I had wondered what it would do with F22 engines. Cool.
I had used the B2 as a missile truck, way back in the days of Jane's ATF. I put Phoenix missiles in it, and only turned on the radar occasionally, to get locks. For fun, I landed it on a carrier. Okay, that took a few tries.
Hell yeah! The B-1R!!🤯👍 Your the best GR!👍
Could you guys put AIM-260 in YF-12A??
25 years of #F22
Bravo!
That was a very interesting video! Thanks GR!
7:30
wake turbulence starts off moving around the wingtip in a circle, goign downwards under the wing, upwards outside th wingtips, inwards above hte wingtips and outwards underneath them
it spreads out from there
so if you fly right behind a plane the wake turbulene puhes yo udown but if you fly in a v formation it pushes you up
basically since te air around you is moving upwards you can maintain altitudeb ut stil lfly at a downwars slope relative to the air around you - so you cna save fuel by flying ina v formation but you need more fuel i you fly right behind each other
meanwhile, cars don't really care much about air moving up or down slightly, however by conservation of momentum, having drag means dragging some air along with you so driving right behind another car gives you ab it of a tailwind meaning you move slwoer relative to hte air around you and experience less drag
boner
Re-implement (approve) the previously canceled, AGM-131 SRAM II project because the Chinese and North Koreans need love too. Tie an approved, new B-1R production run to the B-21 program to "pave the roads" ahead of the B-21s etc. Think HARM missile with a 200 KT yield and a 400 km range. Build a new run of B1-B bombers, with updated engines, electronics, and 25mm defensive, rear canon, laser canon to dazzle/destroy enemy missiles, and rear-facing missiles for chasing fighters on the bomber's 6-o'clock pos.
Legend has it that the reason it's named the B-1R is because an E-4 got to name it.
Trying to pay attention to the technical aspects of the video but the inuendos got the better of me. There is much pun yet to be made from this😂
the lancerrrrrrrrrr
Is the 2.stage of the new missle meant to be burnt in the last seconds befor it hits?
Not sure but currently not possible in game anyways.
The first background on my first computer. Was a B1b on the deck 20m over a lake with a massive rooster tail of water. Please try an map of the earth mission.
B-1B's ceiling is 60,000 Ft. Crew of 4. And this was played out on Air Power I think as B-1B's as Missile Trucks. Fighting 4th/5th Gen China/Russia aircraft. If you had Kc-135 to refuel and a AWACS in this... It would be just like the TV show.. Now I'm going to look for the show on Discovery +
The aircraft can probably go even higher but it is risky for flight crews above 60k because of the pressure. Would have to be constantly bottled up in pressure suits.
Ah yes the B One R... You'll never convince me that the E4 mafia didn't come up with that name, or it would have if the E4 mafia existed. Which it doesn't...
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The crazy thing is that one, singular B-1 is the same as like 16 Himars with its original cruise missile load.
A single squadron of B-1s, with the appropriate logistics and target support could logically hit the *entire Russian front* at once.
Shock and awe
And this is why the gulf wars were lit a bear vs a kitten
This video is FULL of innuendo! I approve.
Ever heard of the Tu-160P interceptor version in the early 80's
You guys need to read an author named Dale Brown and his aerial Battleship books. Imagine that b1r with stealth coding and ground air and anti-rad missiles escorting in a B-52 with the big boom boom boom
B-1B currently carries more ground attack JASSM than B-52 does.
@@stupidburp not the point.
Ohhhh lord have mercy
the Bone V1 was supposed to be the new Valkyrie. bone V2 was the low alt version that was rescued after the end of the USSR
Truly fascinating!
What was the max altitude the Bone R saw during your three missions?
Good work Reapers!
Wonder how many 260s would fit into a b-2, allowing it could fire them?
B-2 carry capacity is just slightly less than B-1B. But I think a better conversion for B-2 would be to turn them into fuelers. Stealthy fuelers could provide sips to F-35 and B-21 close to hostile areas.
The B-ONE-R is my new favorite aircraft.
Favourite moment: "it is what it is, you can't demonitise me."
Can't wait for the right programming for the missiles. The speeds should be way higher with the correct loft no?
Brilliant clouds and sky graphics. Very impressed. The boner is fantastic looking aircraft. When guys can fly it. That be interesting to see. Good job. 👍😊
Absolutely love the B1. Such a beautiful aircraft.
More craziness from the GR crazy gang. Boom Shackalac!
Missile truck becomes missile train.
The B-1 Delta was a nice catch.
"...finally someone who can take on Cortana..." ahahaha!
Wasn't it a Tom Clancy novel that had a B52 with air to air capacity? Before HOBS, there were rear facing and firing Sidewinders called Backwinders, and tons of on board jammers.
Might be a different author??
Could you do mi-24 with brimstone vs Crimean airbase or naval base
Grump's right, maintainers are usually the only ones with a sense of humour in the air force.
If they go this direction (likely not given how expensive the B1 is to maintain) they can/should equip it with the LREW (Long Range Engagement Weapon) which is going to be a massive air launched AAM. My guess is that it will be significantly larger than an AIM 260/ AIM-120 but could prpbably still fit in the internal bays of a B-1/B-52/B-21.
This would make it ideal to use older bombers as massvie missile trucks with mega long range AAMs data linked all the way to their targets from 150+ miles away. This keeps the launch platform safe and the enemy in lots of danger.
Maintenance cost is currently about the same as B-52. With a new variant with modern modular avionics, it might even be cheaper to maintain.
Nice proof of concept. I would anticipate a strike package to have a dedicated jamming aircraft, AWAC and a fighter screen 100 miles in front of the "B1R". They can be called the condom. What I didn't anticipate was how fast the aircraft was or how hard it was to keep up with it with modern 21st century aircraft. Note: For each aircraft splashed, roughly $50M.... each missile cost $1M.
I recall sometime in the 1990s they had considered doing something similar (anti air) with the B52s. The Pentagon ended up turning them into cruise missile trucks instead.
Would be interesting to compare B1-R against B2 (or B21 one day) and see how they compare when facing similar missions.
Want to see the B-21 Raider in similar role. That would be frekain awesome. :D Sltealth, fast, missile truck, good radar. Iam pretty sure that the B-21 Raider with this setup can wipe all the MiG-31 Foxhounds without being detected like an ease.
too slow
Good that Sock was on Bone R for protection against that one high bird. ^^)
Mythbusters did the birds in formation thing, it reduces drag by at least 30%
In the 1992 book, The sixth Battle, B1B's are used as missile trucks against several TU22 & 16's regiments off the east coast of Africa, that are targeting a US Carrier Group, that is supporting South Africa, from a Russian/African invasion.
Apparently, the B1B has the same A/A radar as a F16A.
The book itself is worth a read.
Latest B-1B have a larger variant of the AESA radar from F-16V
Thinking of how a B-1R might be employed, I think about Red Storm Rising where fleets of Soviet bombers would go after convoys in the Atlantic. Put a few B-1Rs out there to intercept the enemy bombers. The B-1R would have the range to cover the whole north atlantic and the speed to chase the Soviet bombers right out of the hemisphere
That or, since it has larger crew very high speed and long loiter time/range, could act as a quick response for front line fighters that get jumped by enemy planes for a larger region than a CAP fighter I would assume.
God this is like in 1980 were tomcats would see and shoot foggers and fox bats before they were off the runway
Hey how come you guys don’t utilize the B-1’s ground tracking flight radar in a war game? She can maintain 200ft AGL flight to approach targets. Could be a cool scenario.
Now could the B-1R support themselves, like if they're were like 5 of them flying together?
Or does it not work that way?
No, the MiGs would still fire at max range
Need more stealth on B-1R or more electronic warfare in the area to bring MiG-31 engagement range below that if B-1R. But EW not fully implemented in game
I believe the B-1R was planned to have a V-tail instead of a T-tail as part of the upgrade plan.
With that many advanced long range missiles it does not even need an escort!
Is it possible fighters can be sent ahead to provide cover?
question , If the F22 were to fly in front of the BON-R would't that break the Radar ability to detect the BON-R?
No idea TBH
that was one raging B-1R
I’m wondering if the b1-r might end up with a similar or the same stealth coating the raptor has, with its shape/design and a coating like that, it’s possible enemies will have issues detecting the boner before it can lob missiles at them
Is this DCS 2.8? Cause it looks amazing!
Handicap match that thing ripples missile in every direction 😂😂😂
B-21 designers:.nervous top secret laughter
Sounds like Stealth Super Tomcats are needed to hang out with the Bone.
B-one-R (with Rizz)
Love these scenarios.