Which is Better F-15E or F-16? Fighter Pilot Reacts
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Excellent video… Really puts a non-flyer like me in the cockpit. I did some remodeling work, and befriended, I retired Air Force F15 pilot. I loved his stories. He bought a house on Lake Washington to view the blue Angels at Seafair every year and invited me and others down to watch with him. One of my best memories.
Thanks for sharing
F-16 for me! Always liked small nimble vehicles over large more powerful ones.
And that frameless canopy's visibility is priceless!
I think I would rather fly the F-16 as well. The ergonomics. The only thing is that I would want a center stick.
@@ShadesOClaritythe side stick is the way to go. Flying the 16 is like you and the jet are connected.
Really good run-down. As a former F-16 guy myself, with experience fighting against F-15s in training, aircraft size was also a huge plus for the Viper, especially in multi vs multi WVR engagements. Eagle pilots/crews would very often lose sight of us, while tracking F-15s visually was not a big problem (in fact, I was more worried about losing sight of my own wingmen - something that IRL led to a real tragic accident when I was flying at Hahn, Germany, although I was not involved myself). Anyway, the only other thing I will add is that the F-16E and F-16 Blk70/72 do remedy , to a large extent, your (valid) comments about displays. But then again, the F-15EX improves in that area as well.
How about BVR? Does really the F-15 has that much of an advantage in BVR when we talking speed, altitude and its radar size vs. knowing how big its RCS is vs. smaller much lower RCS Viper?
@@spookyNorbert Depends a lot on the specific radar type installed on the aircraft. You are correct about the (rather massive) difference in RCS, but any one of those (F-15 or F-16) equipped with an AESA will have a significant advantage in BVR combat when pitted against a conventional radar. All USAF F-15s have AESAs, but only a small percentage of F-16s do (although that will keep increasing in the next few years). So hard to come up with a generic answer to your (good ) question.
Can we all just take a moment to admire that majestic stash!
Couldn't agree more!
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Gheeyyyyyy! 😂
@@MaxAfterburnerusaWhat I'm curious about is how the Viper maneuvers in DCS. Its nose just doesn't move around as quick as the 15C or 15E. Is this how it is in real life?
There should be a law that only combat-qualified fighter pilots be allowed to have a mustache.
The requirement for the F-15 was born out of the very hard lessons of Vietnam, not just from the "fighter mafia" wanting an air dominance platform. The F-15 that we got was born out of buying into the propaganda of the Mig-25 and it's rumored abilities, and what we got out of that fear is the most dominant Air dominance platform to date since we all know that the Mig-25 wasn't anything close to what we were lead to believe.
The F15 is the prime example of our nations drive for overmatch. It's not enough to be equal. And I'm in awe of that.
My Uncle-in-Law was stationed at Edwards Airforce Base. He was a Lt. Cornell when he retired. He was an F-16 pilot, F-16 instructor, and test pilot. He had input on the avionics in the cockpit of the (at the time) X-35. Great guy. He now flies for South West out of DFW. He wanted to get the F-15 originally but was assigned to the F-16.
Lt Cornell? I think you mean Colonel 💁♂️
This was a great informative video for us geeks that like this sort of thing :) Thanks.
F-16 seems like it would be a lot more fun to fly. That compact, simpler instrument panel, the G tolerances, the unobstructed bubble canopy and better field of vision, and the side stick just make it look like a more enjoyable plane to fly.
I asked Hoover in an email which aircraft he liked the most. He flew both the Strike Eagle and on the Marine Corps exchange program the F/A-18. He said he enjoyed flying both but called the F-15E, "An absolute war machine." I see your B-Roll has Strike Eagles from Seymour Johnson. Were you ever stationed there? I live around MCAS Cherry Point. Hoover said in one of his accident videos about a restricted airspace he used to go to R-5306A for training. You ever been out there?
Heyyy, I used to be stationed at MCAS Cherry Point - in a MAG-32 Harrier Support Sqdn. I love all of these planes but my 1st crush is the AV8-B Harrier - the Marine Aviators who fly them are intellectual beasts of courage, IMHO, because it takes so much time and training just to keep it from flipping over and crashing hard - with the cockpit slamming into the ground and the wheels and nozzles facing up. In fact, they still fly them at Cherry Point - that is, until they receive their F-35s. PS: How's Havelock now? Back in the 80s and 90s it was a very small town with very limited options for shopping and/or entertainments - you needed a car to either go to Atlantic Beach, Beaufort, Newbern, Kinston, and Greenville or surrounding areas....
One of your better presentations, thanks !
F-22: "Would you intercept me?" 🥺
"I'd intercept me" 😩
Excellent video! One of your best. Thanks!
Your appreciation for both the F-15 and F-16 highlights your understanding of what makes a fighter aircraft exceptional. Embracing the F-22 as the natural successor allows you to build upon that foundation, leveraging advancements that enhance mission effectiveness and pilot survivability. As the aerial battlefield evolves, so too must our tools and tactics. The F-22 Raptor stands as a testament to this progression, ready to meet the challenges of tomorrow.
Fly safe and continue pushing the boundaries of what's possible in the skies.
Love the stash reminds me of Colonel Robin Olds ❤
that's who he patterned it after
Every real pilot has a stash. 🥸
@@140theguy couldn't agree more
@@140theguy CrewChiefs too
@@daveconder-gp4hy and anybody man wearing a cowboy hat. 🤠 Take this emoji for example, it would look way better with a stash. 👍
The strike eagle guys become silent when the raptor boys enter the room 😊
Can we talk from a Crew Chief maintainer perspective? I've worked every block F-16A/b/c/d Block 25-50. F-15C's at Kadena & Langley.
1st hand experience on F15 vs F16
clicked so hard my keyboard broke
Grateful that both of these awesome airplanes reside in the USA.
Great informative video, thanks.
The fighter mafia, I thought had developed the F-16, essentially as a low cost, low weight air superiority fighter, and as it is still critical for the air force, I believe it met its obligations and then some. This takes nothing away from the F-15, of course, which is a whole other ball of wax. The concept of adding conformal fuel tanks has brilliantly extended the fighting range of both aircraft.
A good pilot is a magic association with any craft, and a good wiso is the icing on the cake. You said it, they are a critical team, each dependent on the other. The extra engine in the F-15 adds that little bit of charm for over unity thrust.
That is really cool stuff to hear as a layperson.
The F15 is bad ass and the F16 is such a beautiful and graceful looking aircraft
F-14 Tomcat, two man ship, I got a toy model in the late 70s, the swing wings, AIM-54 Phoenix, it was as you say awesome. The F-16A was a light weight killer, later versions strayed from light weight should have made F-16 Strike Falcon multirole aircraft and kept an F-16 dedicated to air-to-air dog fighter...
I guess there is a new F-15EX Eagle II. Have you done a video on this just yet? (How funny! I just saw you did a video 7 days ago!)
Maybe next generation F-15F? Side stick, fly-by-wire and bubble canopy.
Oh Lockheed is watching... and plotting lol
Max, if all of your former aircrews watch these vids, people are gonna wonder who the 2% were (5:11)???😁
They know who they are 😂
@@MaxAfterburnerusaHow are the 2% not so great ones able to get in? Are they politically connected?
Great video… I really enjoyed it! Semper Fi to my fellow Marines out there! 😎and much love to all my fellow Veterans… ☝️
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Great insight! So when are you going to take the F-4 into combat in DCS? Those J-79s really got some uumph behind them to go vertical lol.
F-16 was designed to be a point defense day VFR fighter, and the Air Force turned it into a medium range interdiction bomber. Both have thrust to weight ratios of better than 1 to 1. I know Eagle drivers who called Viper pilots the Security Police Augmentation Force.
Originally, the Viper was designed with a pressure-only, non-moving sidestick. We think and react according to motion, though, which is why the Viper has a stick that moves about an inch.
Max, that jet was built, and by Lockheed Martin, the F22 Raptor its is literally the best of both worlds
Max AB, you think we'll ever see a fighter/bomber/strike fighter with side by side seating like the Aardvark or SU34?
So, the reaction to Vietnam; The Falcon. The reaction to Russia's Foxbat; The Eagle. Great reaction skills!
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Mam, i wanted aviation so bad. I did 4 tours with the 82nd and 1 with the 101st. Filled out my flight packet and warrant packet then was deployed to the arghandab. Scored really high and was told by branch to submit when i got back. Unfortunately...last tour as an airborne infantryman, got shot in the head, right knee and femur.
Which fighter is the most comfortable for long missions and which seat is the most comfy? I was surprised to hear that most are extraordinarily uncomfortable. I’d think they’d be willing to spare a few pounds making the seat as ergonomic and unnoticeable as possible. It just makes sense to me that you wouldn’t want the pilot to build up pain and discomfort during missions. I guess all military vehicles are like that, but I figured that fighter pilots would get more consideration or have enough sway to get a little comfort. I can’t be proud of our efforts with the chair force if we’re not giving them the most comfortable chairs money can buy.
Anyways, it’s a lot easier to argue that comfort can effect safety with a pilot compared to a tank driver. You’d think they could create a safe and ergonomic cockpit.
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I'm a big fan of your videos. Thank you. I wonder how much more effective the F-16 would be if it had an AI in lieu of a Weapons System Officer? Thoughts?
Why doesn’t the military use the side stick and recline seat in other fighters?
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The F16 block 70 looks sexy.
If I'm correct it has a better radar, which was on of it's disadvantages.
The things that still need to improve in the F16 is the landing gear and the brakes so that it can be operated from regular roads.
Planes like the Gripen and the Eurofighter have the advantage in this area.
Would landimg gear be enough or is its debris problem still fatal? As that can't he easily fixed without a brand new plane. I understood that giant gulper up front was the biggest issue with roads. Happy to be corrected, this is a question not me telling how it is.
In the air to ground role, the f16 can pack a punch and has precise accuracy. Also, thank you Neo for your service 🇺🇸. In close quarters dog fighting, wouldn’t the f15 have an advantage in a climb? I’ve heard stories of Desert Storm veterans putting 12 gs on the f15…it sounds they stayed capable to operate the aircraft on adrenaline. Thanks again and I look forward to the next one 👍
The extremely high top airspeed of the F15 has got to count for a lot … extending the range of missiles, ability to escape bad odds situations, starting with more energy. Also the low wing loading has got to improve the maneuverability at high altitude thin air plus increase the max ceiling. The electronics on the F15 is more impressive including the radar. We should have bought more F15s and upgrades instead of over sized Low Rate Initial Production lots of the JSF in the early years when they weren’t going to be upgradeable.
Next F15 redesign should recline the seat to the best angle (perhaps even more than 30 degrees). I don’t see compromising performance for stealth as a good option for the F15 (it’s got speed and good ECM to get out of trouble). The WSO upgrade should accommodate control of loyal wingman/wingmen. Shrink the canopy bow. Move the stick. It already carries heavy munitions, but there may be a use for an even bigger munition (missile, ground penetrator, etc).
I have to wonder if canard fighters have an aerodynamic edge in certain flight regimes.
Improve the JHMCS with a larger field of view and aircraft see through imagery/symbology.
how much of your wish list does the F-22 fill?
Quite a surprising commentary by an obviously experienced, skilled fighter jet jock!
As a amateur voyeur I would have expected acclaim for the awesome early 1970's two seat powerful F-15 air dominance fighter with a 104 to zero combat score that put simply, you wouldn't want to mess with.
But picking the late 1970s F-16 design, single seat, presumably a multi-role like the new F-35 is surprise. Obviously a very good aircraft if over 4,000 have been made and used by so many airforces around the World.
As a Kiwi, the New Zealand air force had small, agile, single seat A-4 Skyhawks that the somewhat friendly, much superior Australian Air Force used as target practice for their more modern, superior F-18s.
I even recall the laconic drawl on TV of the US commander of the big Enterprise carrier visiting Wellington when two A-4s went out at sea level to do a surprise welcome flyby, of there was no surprise, we saw your jets warming their engines before take off, we knew you were coming!
As I understand it, close in dogfights isn't the way of modern combat, it is more about the combat space and situational awareness, long range missile volleys and disappearing like a ghost which is what the F-22 does, not in close knife fights.
Modern warfare is a great innovator, not so much about human eyeballs any longer.
The 15E has an incredible radar and weapon loadout. The F-16C has a descent radar and loadout and can dogfight and maneuver better.
Which is better??? They both have different roles and performance envelopes. That's like comparing a tractor and a pickup truck and asking which is better. They're for different things.
Let's combine them and make an F-31F VipEagle!
I would have loved to have seen the X-32 make it into production over the Fat Amy... Forget the VTOL requirements.
When you try to please everyone, you please nobody.
What about BVR? ATG? Radars? SEAD/DEAD missions? who's better??
drummer already did build the best of both worlds. it's called the tomcat.
Worst of both worlds. Less maneuverable and worse acceleration than either platform, the cockpit visibility is horrific, and don't even get me started on the avionics.
All that said, it was an excellent fighter for the time and certainly leagues better in nearly all respects than any third generation fighters, but it came early in an era of rapid advancement in fighter aircraft, so it was unfortunately doomed to be outshone by the following 4th generation aircraft.
@@Razgriz__1Didn't people say the F14 was a predictable dogfighter because you watch the wing sweep to telegraph the next move? Swing wings are also heavy, a maintenance problem and old fashioned.
@@kentl7228 the "heavy maintance" bullshit is a rumor that's been disproven since time started counting
@kentl7228 that depends whether pilots would take manual control of the sweep system or let the automated system handle it, I'm not familiar with what the usual practice was for dogfighting.
@@Razgriz__1 Wouldn't mater if they did or not. It's better to leave it in auto anyway.
I like the look of the f-16 that Israel has and I think Poland has some with those bug bulges on each side. The F15EX looks to be a bad ass do it all fighter.
Did you fly the Block 50/52 F-16's, w/ the F110-129 engine?
I assume the F-15E's had the F100-229.
The second category - 2-man crew, why have you not compared the 15E to a 16D ?
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Is the new F-15EX fly-by-wire? (I have read/seen that it is) If so, would not part of the programming be similar to the F-16 in that it cannot exceed it's performance envelope regardless of pilot input? Also, I think that the new cockpit fit-out includes big glass panel displays? Would like to know how much improved the systems are in the new EX.
Missing here is the key fact the F-15 is twice the size with less element of surprise (the most important factor in air to air combat). Next, being twice the size, it is also twice the cost. The same budget buys and operates twice as many F-16's, and numbers is the next most important factor. In terms of inflicting damage on the enemy per dollar of available budget, the F-16 is over twice as good. Any discussion of which plane is "best" should conclude with that dominating strategic point.
Doesn't the EX have some of those modifications? Sadly, not the side stick.
How about BVR?
I have a question about the conformal fuel tanks, particularly on the F-16s. They seem strangely shaped. Do you know how the got the shapes the have?
Don’t think “I’ll let you win cause you paved the way” would ever happen in a real scenario.
Btw great mustache
I would like to hear comparisons between an F-15 and an SU-27.
Before I even watch this video I am posting my opinion just from the title of this video. It depends on the situation and what he Plane is being used for. The Pilot who is flying the mission plays a huge part in this as well. Now after saying that I am going to watch and see what he says. F-16 can be used for close air support, but it would not even come close to being better than an A-10 Warthog at the job. That does not mean it is a worse Airplane. It means it is not as effective at the mission it has to accomplish. So I hate trying to say why one plane is better than another plane. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. Now I will say the F-16 is Sexier than the F-15 prove me wrong! Love your videos Max keep them coming man and Thank You for serving our great country and putting your life on the line for our freedom!
The Eagle always spanks the lawn dart.
Not in a telephone booth
you promised you'll talk about speed sensation in DCS compared to real life...
So glad y'all aren't taking drones out at higher machs to pop cockpits before they can ding ding~ But....
How does the center stick compare with side stick? Even Boeing vs Airbus... I feel like the side stick would be more unnatural: your hand is way off to the side while pulling G's, rolling... even landing- Is it like having a car steering wheel off to the side instead of in front of you? I realize the cockpit is small, but everything else we do is, well, right in front of us: As I type this, the keyboard is in front, not to my right, my car steering wheel is in front of me, i bring my tv remote to more the center of my body to click....
The really unhappy person is the one who leaves undone what they can do, and starts doing what they don't understand; no wonder they come to grief.
How do they compare to the F22?
I bet ripping around in the F-16 is the best.
It’s one thing for keyboard warriors to compare jets based on their perceived knowledge likely garnered from Wikipedia.
It’s another thing entirely to have a seasoned combat pilot who’s flown both airframes talking from their own personal experience.
This is a breath of fresh air.
The combination is called a "Euro-fighter".
I would pick the F-15E just because its my love and its a F-15 with a two seater😎
what about F15C vs F16? is on better at bvr and the other better at dogfighting? or is one better at both?
i think a lot comes down to the pilot in dogfighting, but the f16 has some definite advantages (smaller, sidestick, no canopy bow, very agile). in BVR i think the f15 will have the advantage because of the bigger radar being able to reach out farther. but im sure some f16 pilots would disagree. everything comes down to which pilot can force the other into their fight. an f16 is a dominant 2 circle fighter, and in a dogfight, the longer the engagement lasts, the f16 will eventually gain the advantage as the fight gets closer to the ground. but with helmet mounted targeting, i dont think the fight will necessarily last as long as they used to. in a guns only fight, the f16 is hard to beat, but with aim9x's and the like its a whole nother ballgame.
So if your a lefty, do they change the position of the side stick? 🤔
without watching the video, let me guess, both F-15 and F-16 are multirole aircraft meaning both can do air to air and air to ground combat, but the F-15A-E was designed as an air superiority fighters first, meaning it was designed to dominate the skies, it has twin engines and larger fuel tanks so it has range and the ability to carry a heavier air to air or air to ground load. Also among most variants you have a greater thrust to weigh ratio with the F-15. The conformal tanks on the F-15E are also removeable so it can switch back to the air superiority role if needed. I suspect the radar on the F-15E is also larger thus superior, but that last part is a guess.
the f15E was designed as an air interdiction platform. it was made to almost always carry bombs. the dual cockpits and conformal fuel tanks arent the only difference between it and the f15C. it is also quite a bit heavier too. extra bracing was added to carry larger payloads of bombs. so, the 15E without the conformal tanks will still not be as agile as the 15C. i doubt that too many 15E's would be set out with only air to air missiles unless its monitoring no fly zones, or something of that nature where its unlkely to face any seriously aggressive near peer jets. BVR is fine im sure because of the excellent radar, but its not the plane you necessarily want to have if you are dogfighting an su30 at close range. that would be the f16, f15C or f22s domain. i believe the EX is even heavier still, but has more powerful engines and fly by wire, which makes it look pretty wicked compared to earlier f15s
If I recall correctly, it depends. Are you over, or under 30,000 feet? Over: 15. Under: 16.
Wonder what kind of het you would have if you took the cockpit / canopy of a F16 and gave it to the f15c ..
Funny you complete the vid with the same thoughts i was getting to, so I guess i was getting your point.. nice
F16 obviously because it’s badass.
Flesh-colored yoga pants were far worse than even he feared.
The Eagle is not a dogfighter, but neither is it a turd. The C and now the X are the air superiority platforms outside of the F-22. Even the F-35 can't do what the F-15C or the might F-15X/F-15EX can do now. The X is incredible. For cost per airframe vs battlefield use and survivability, the F-15 X/EX is the answer. You can use those as bomb trucks and the F-35 as the quarterback. You can protect assets like tankers and AWACS with this combination all day. The F-16 also has a role to play here, but compared to the F-15, The F-15 is a much better dogfighter, but remember, the F-16 was air superiority without the extravagant price. This is why I was shocked the F-20 never went to production. I get why the USAF passed, but oh boy, the Marines, and other countries could've used that platform to GREAT effect.
Please combine the F16 and F15. Describes the F22. 😅
Both legacy jets have better A2G capes than the Raptor
The F-15 evolved into what the F-111 was supposed to be.
The 111 had some capes the Mudhen doesn't
And what about F14 X F15? There is an evaluation between them, a japanese evaluation that shows F15 engajed by a F14... can you make us a vídeo?
Im surprised they didnt put a side stick on the F15EX
If you worked with Boeing you wouldn't be surprised. We had upgraded F15s we couldn't utilize because after the upgrade, there was a key component missing that was required to turn on the jet. That component hadn't been manufactured for almost a decade.
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Isnt there a 2 seat F16 now?
Nice to see an old school fighter pilot that actually looks like a pilot, 98% competency, sadly we're a long way from those days in the US military...welcome to the new America.
Didn't Earn It is a deliberate sabotaging of the US armed forces.
We need fighters like Patton, not the modern clowns.
Military members that serve in higher tier type operations (pilots, special operators, etc.) are still of the high caliber they have always been for the most part. The rest of the military, on the other hand, is more worried about making sure we don't r*pe each other or discriminate against make believe genders that they cannot focus on their MOS/AFSC like they should be able to.
@@brandenlane344 You're fooling your self if you don't think this DEI business has polluted every unit including SOF units, how about a diversity officer at SOCOM??? There are still good operators in spite of what they're purposely doing to the military. but keep in mind "The fish stinks from the head down". I know of plenty of compromises at Ranger school & the Q coarse that never would have happened 15 years ago. You really think these narsacistic sociopath's stopped at the 3 letter agencies??? I had to laugh watching a F-15E crew walking to their bird, 2 overweight 5'5" women that looked like they couldn't touch the ground, now maybe they can fly competently but what happens if they go down in a war zone. Lt. Scott O'Grady went down in Bosnia, evaded capture for 6 days, doubt these 2 would fare as well as O'Grady did.
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@@brandenlane344 I'm afraid your fooling yourself if you think this DEI business hasn't affected all units in the military. Bet you didn't know their is now a diversity officer at SOCOM??? Of coarse there are still great warriors in the military, in spite of it. Make no mistake there are compromised standards being implemented, even in the Special Opps community. For those that think this corruption is only happening in the 3 letter agencies but they left their hands of the military are simply naive...the question you should be asking yourselves, who are they building the military to confront.
I can imagine, right crew chemistry is critical. See all the videos of the wild weasel packages. A well-matched crew was most effective.
Absolutely
I bet you’d like flying the F22. Much better at turning than the F16 and SA than both the F15 & F16.
What about the f15ex
Both better for me.
Why was F-15 made aerodynamically stable? Was it due to they couldn't make proper fly-by-wire system at that time or does stable design provide any advantages?
Mostly because it didn't have fly by wire
@@Shadowboost But why? It was known since late 50's.
@@Tjecktjeck what do you mean why? The F-16 was the first fly by wire fighter to debut
@@Shadowboost First mass produced fighter where FBW was integrated as it is known today. But it was implemented on many other aircraft before that. In other words, by the time F-15 was designed it was availible and I wonder what where the reasons to go with conventional design.
@@Tjecktjeck it had never been implemented before on a fighter. In the industry, we have something called technical readiness level and manufacturing readiness level. For all intents and purposes, MD rated it a 3 probably
😂 yeah Lockheed Martin already combined the best of the F-15 and F-16 in the F-22 Raptor.
That was exactly my thought
The Mud Chicken! I’ll take the F16 though. It’s prettier.
P51=F16. :)
I see what you did there
F16 capable of accelerating while a 9g of load? No way???
Yeah which one would win in a dogfight only using guns ???