Air refueling can be one of the most difficult parts of any mission. The B-52 and SR-71 were the most difficult, un-boring aircraft I ever refueled. I remember guys working up a sweat in the B-52. A lot of us carried hand towels to wipe the sweat off our faces. Also remember getting your fuel is stressful. You don't get it and you end up diverting or worse in the middle of the ocean floating in a raft. Any mission I ever flew was planned to have refueling tracks within reach of abort bases. My record was 26 hours from Washington state to Japan and back nonstop in a B-52 with 7 planned enroute air refuelings . One was canceled near Alaska, but it was planned not to be required.
26hrs in a B-52, think about that folks, I don't like being anywhere for 26 hrs, the shit you guys do routinely is astonishing, and as a Canadian, thank God we are friends
@@biffisgreat Thanks Biff....I replied back with some awesome history but I think it was removed because I put a link in it...I am not retyping it. LOL
@@dextermorgan1 I should have said "not" boring but I typed "un-boring" Both the B-52 and SR-71 were the hardest, most challenging aircraft to refuel. Definitely not boring! The B-52 because it wingspan was longer than the KC-135 so you were constantly fighting the wake from the tanker. The SR-71 because you were approaching the region of reverse command as the SR got heavy requiring one engine to be placed in after burner.
@@tonyd.7088 yeah technically one can appear weak when really strong while jamming and or inserting what data we want them to see. Kinda like a stingray/dirtbox style.
Tanker guy here. I dont know about the 135 but on the 10 we transferred roughly 6000lbs a minute. Max pressure was 55psi but the volume was incredible. The boom was more reliable than the drogue on the 10. Most of the drogue failures of the 10 on video were caused by the drogue itself failing to adhere to its speed/pressure sensing system also known as the 55 knot reduction
Ivan 1: And this sir, is the coverage of our air defences. Ivan 2: Why is there a gap all the way from Ukraine to the heartland of Mother Russia without any CAP flights going up and down it? We look pretty defenceless. Ivan 1: That's for the RUclipsrs sir, so they can make videos. Also, CAP saying he needs discipline lessons suggests there's a GR OnlyFans...
There was never a "Pentium 286". I think whoever mentioned that meant the 80286 processor, which came out some time in the vicinity of 1990. Intel used numbers to identify their CPU chips through the 80386 and 80486, then they wanted to trademark the number 80586 and were told they couldn't trademark a number. So they called that processor the Pentium. And my first computer was a Commodore Vic-20, which had a whopping 3.5 kB of RAM on-board.
We had a TRS-80 with programs stored on audio cassette tapes. Managed to draw a blip or two. Pretty much a hobbyist toy. Late 70s. Going to the 80286 after that was a massive upgrade, proper home computer. Early 80s.
@Chris "Firedad" - You're right : it was a long time ago. I didn't mean to sound critical. It's just that my geeky brain hangs on to details like that.
Maybe let the B21 do it’s thing(it seemed to do okay by itself) and you guys set up about 10-15 miles in trail in pairs to cover the B21’s 6 o’clock. Pairing up might also cut the heat sig a bit instead of having 6 raptor’s causing a massive heat bloom. This will also allow each set of Raptors to kind of cover each a bit.
Game treats each object as individual cubes until the cubes collide and then it simulates their path through the cube and if they hit the aircraft model, so doesnt really matter it doesnt simulate a collective radar/heat signature .
TRS System 80 was the first to have Microsoft DOS version 1.0 about 1980. The IBM 8086 PC came out in 1982, then the 8087 XT. Flight simulators have improved a lot since then.
Heh. I learned programming in the early Seventies on an IBM mainframe. My first personal computer was a Timex Sinclair with 2k of ram and a 16k ram expansion pack.
From what I can tell, the first Tandy to run ms dos was the Tandy 2000 in ‘83. Before that their PCs were not compatible. There never was an 8087 PC of any manufacturer. The 8087 was a math co processor that ran parallel and was controlled by an 8086 or 8088. It was supported even in the original IBM PC
I have watched many documentaries where they interviewed pilots and most were fairly blasé about it, like taking out the trash at home. Just a routine chore. When it got exciting was trying to keep contact in heavy turbulence or electrical storm when you HAD to succeed or you were going swimming. I cannot imagine that level of stress. There was one documentary where they attached portable cardiogram machines (where you have all the probes taped to your head and chest) to pilots to monitor stress/ blood pressure and heart rates during missions. It surprised all involved that the most stress the pilots experienced was during air to air refueling at night and then landing on the carrier at night. Those numbers dwarfed the numbers when in combat and being shot at. The carrier landing being THE most stressful part of the flight. Imagine that. So confidant in your ability to fight but worried about getting back aboard. These were naval aviators. I am sure Air Force pilots had different stress triggers. But all of them, both navy and air force said in-flight refueling was a mixture of boredom and excitement. A very odd mix
well night carrier landings are understandable. imagine intentionally crashing into a football field surrounded by water in the pitch back night. oh and its constantly moving
I attempted to refuel 3 times in one of the B-2 simulators on WAFB. Too much turbulence for me to hook. At least I didn't take out the tanker. The Lt. Colonel sitting in the co-pilot seat, a real B-2 pilot, had no trouble at all with the refueling. I taxied, took off, did several touch & goes, and landed. It was a lot of fun.
I was an engine guy on the B1 and was offered the opportunity to refuel a B1 from a KC-135. It is stressful, however, the boom does flex quite a bit for moments of turbulence and even our boom operator took a couple of attempts to get it right. It's a very difficult task, however, the joystick does allow for very easy maneuverability.
@Grim Reapers Concerning long-range strike operations in peer/near-peer airspace protected by modern SAM networks (e.g., S-400, as is the case here), there would almost certainly be heavy implentation of ADM-160C MALD-J/N/X decoys/jammers well ahead of, and likely along with, the strike group. Though I don't know whether they, or anything like them, are modeled in DCS, but it would be very interesting to see their effects in this situation, as well as any of a number of others simulated on this channel. That is despite the fact that this particular mission set is, as Cap makes clear, monstrously unrealistic & would be horrendously stupid in real meatspace. Especially considering the JASSM variant online now (token numbers at the moment, but low-rate production actually started 2021, with delivery Q1 2024) will be the AGM-158B-2, formerly known as AGM-158D, formerly known as JASSM-XR, with 1000nmi+ range. P. S., Huge fan! Thank you for the all good-fun times!
I can't wait for the day that tech is good enough where we can get a DCS/COMMAND Modern Ops hybrid game. Imagine all the scenarios and possibilities...
i just come from the future to say: the US striked syria where there is a S400 battery stationed. in and out, did the mission and no problem. with f-15s. the s400 code has been cracked for quite some time (probably by the israelis, like the s300 before - they literally just paid a good chunk to some underpaid russian dude for the codes and he provided). i don't know about the newer "500" tho but it is a good exercise for entertainment purposes tho
also note L band radar will pick up stealth well before X band radar. so it would be expected that the infiltration will be noticed...just not targetable by the s400 using xband radar at a distance.
Underrated comment. Russian EW radar would detect "stealth" aircraft at long distances and allow interceptor aircraft to be vectored in. Stealth as we know it is really just protection against fire control radars.
True, but L band radar arrays are large and not very mobile, so it is highly likely that their locations would be known before hand with a high degree of certainty. This means they can be planned around.
im an 80s baby, born 1980 lol so i understand every reference u are using, grew up in the generation before technology and actually being outside and exploring.
Retired Boomer here. Most fighters can take about 2500-3000 pounds per minute, while the big receivers like the C-5/C-17/B-52 can take the max of 6500 pounds per minute. Those lights underneath the tanker are called Pilot Director Indicator Lights, or "PDI Lights."
So it kind of sounds like AESA is low-probably-of-intercept because it's not transmitting a single radar frequency, but instead constantly changing frequencies which makes it really hard for RWR to figure out that the EM it's detecting is a threat radar.
it would be good when they model radar frequencies properly in the game because these would most likely be detected with the low frequency EWR and fighters would be vectored to the plane to shoot it at close range as most stealth planes are optimised for high frequency radar stealth which is what fighters and SAMs use to lock and fire
I’m a tanker Crew Chief and it doesn’t take long per fighter to refuel. Just wait till the program put in the new KC-46 as a tanker, lots of new capabilities with it. As we say, Nobody Kicks Ass Without Tanker Gas (NKAWTG).
Us 80's kids are the last of the pre/post internet people. And thank God for strong bones and hose water! Also riding everywhere in the back of a pickup truck was LIVING.
That is exactly how the B-2 does it when going into deep strike operations, think path of least resistance. I would assume the B-21 would use the same doctrine when it comes to deep strike operations. RB
Seeing the Radar range circles and the flight path "threading the needle" on the mission map is giving me the fiercest "Project: Stealth Fighter" (C64) flashbacks... 😅
i used to live in virginia near the NAS Oceana navy base and i would love to see some type of war games involving that base. By looking online there seems so be about 250 F/A-18 super hornets and i was lucky enough to get a tour of the base and hangers from my friend an F-18 pilot. Also with the navy ships stationed in that area and the Langley air force have with 5th gen, it would be cool to see russia attempt an attack and see THE BLOB of F/A-18s all scrambled.
i worked on an american air base in good old blighty, the most amazing thing I saw as a full base scramble cars dumped, shopping dropped.....8x F15s scramble with vertical take offs...my jaw was on the floor it was before smart phones im sorry to say
I'd love to see more diversity in these recent scenarios-- SU-30SM's, SU-35's, MIG-31's, and SU-57's! Instead of all SU-35's and the occasional SU-57's and or MIG-31...😅🙏
Agree but it takes ages to test and balance all of the sensors in scenarios like this to weed out bugs and weird results, hence why I usually stick to 1 or 2 aircraft types.
@@grimreapers just kiddin around, I understand, lol still hopeful however understanding! In all seriousness your team and yourself do an amazing job putting out outstanding content! Keep up the amazing work!😁✌
I’m 52 and watching you. 😅. I started with an Apple IIE then IBM PC 8088 playing Gunship and Megfortress. Love DCS and what we can do. Thank you for the videos!
I agree with an earlier suggestion to let Raider go ahead. The design of the plane helps to dissipate a heat signature much like the F-117 & B-2. It is likely it’ll get further flying solo or perhaps with 1 raptor escort. The rest of the squadron could fly 5-10 miles behind in a tactical formation to spread out the IR signature of the Raptors. You’d still be close enough to have intercept and Fox 3 options if spotted. Also the deconfliction of missile shots will work to your advantage. I wonder if a UAV would be beneficial flying a route next to the border after the package is 50 or so miles in. Something large enough to get the radar interest of the SU35 & Mig31 while the package proceeds in the midst of the distraction. Much lower cost to have a UAV get shot than one of the stealths, and no human collateral damage or pow.
In the early 80's, our computer class had a Commadore Vic-20. You wrote the program, then recorded it to a cassette tape. Then you pressed play to run the program.
The Official Simba Fan Club is back from our mission and would like to let the team know the average age of our membership is 36. Also the people's hero made that refueling look easy!!!!! Our club thought of a question we would like each member of GR to answer in a future video: If there was a situation like the one in the film "independence day" and combat pilots were needed for a real world threat and a call was put out for volunteers: would you answer the call?
As one who planned B52 missions for both SAC and during Desert Storm, your route is completely within operational parameters. We knew where every fixed SAM site was and routed the '52's around them
Tactics suggestion: Would thick clouds mask the IR signature? If so, it seems like this mission should be conducted in atrocious weather and you should fly in the clouds as much as possible.
@@TheRealAaronSmith Yeah but they scatter the light, each individual water drop is like a prism refracting. So opacity ranges from about 10% blocked light in cloud wisps, 40% blocked light in standard clouds such that you cant see the blue of the other side as the light has been diffused, upto 80% blocked for grey rain clouds and 100% blocked light for black thunderclouds.
"We simulate eastern Russia" ....uhm,are you sure Cap? It's western Russia that borders with Ukraine and other European countries. Eastern Russia "borders" with US at Alaska.
Might be a controvertial comment but can you reduce the RCS of all aircraft that carries jammers since they reduce the range at which they can be detected? More reduction if the aircraft has offensive jamming and not just defensive. Even more reduction if its a stealth aircraft because the smaller the RCS, the easier it is to hide yourself with jammers. As for people who say that jamming ruins stealth, as iy acts as a beacon, well no because the lightning (im not so sure about the raptor) uses directional jamming so it will only blind specific radars so the enemy will have a very hard time if not impossible to find the source. Essentially the same tech as the lightning's MADL data link and its LPI radar. Infrared detection will still be a thing but shouldn't be too much of a problem because you can always make sure your exhaust isnt seen by enemy aircraft especially when you can clearly see them. The Raptor and F35 also have IR reduction features. Interstingly, the -35's vert stabs are specially designed to hide the exhaust as much as possible in different angles. I also read somewhere that the 35 has special flight controls that can limit the controls of the pilot to make sure its less stealthy angles wont be seen as much as possible. Cheers!
Yeah I wish their was a solution for this because the jammers in game are basically useless. We know how effective jamming was in both wars in Iraq and they have only gotten better.
Oh really? And where did you get that information? I'm 50% sure its from air power australia. Is it the one with the diagrams where there's a circle around the F35 with 3 different colors showing 'stealthiness' in different radar bands? That's the one from APA which is total BS. Did you know that some pilots and even high ranking officers say that the F35 is actually stealthier than the F22? Read up actual interviews from actual pilots and what they say about the F35. Don't believe me? Well lets use some basic logic here. If they are so unstealthy, why are more than a dozen countries buying them by the dozens? Why not just buy the Su-57? Hey, by your logic they should have the same RCS. Or even just the F-16 which is way cheaper to buy and operate.
@@TraditionalAnglican Nope radar, the B-21 has a lower signature so if the Raptor is behind it its masked from the radar? The infared of the two jets, if close enough, would combine and make them more detectable...I think. Your thoughts are welcomed:)
maybe you can do tutorials on how to make custom radars or similar things about the editor. im new to dcs and would watch that kind of content. just a suggestion.
there are 3 ways to detect and target rcs stealth aircraft: worst =Radar, guaranteed =irst, most consequential to stealth invaders is EW signature due to invaders none passive targeting systems.
On the off-chance no one has mentioned this to you, Grim: Habitual Linecrosser is a bit of an expert on these things. I'm sure he wouldn't mind giving you some pointers on these setups 😊
They might have trouble locking onto the stealth aircraft but that's a long long way from not detecting them. Detecting a squadron like this going deep into Russia might result in getting an airburst nuke shot at them, no locking on required.
I got my first computer in 1978: an OSI Superboard II, @1Mhz with the 6502, and 8KB of RAM, and 8KB of ROM. To this day, the fastest booting PC I have ever owned: less than 1/4 of a second from power-on! 1KB/minute downloading from cassette tape. I ended with it running at 2MHz, and with 64KB of RAM in 128 chips of 512 Byte 2114 memory chips. :)
I have a masters in US military history and these videos are very interesting to me. I know the comparisons between old equipment and new equipment are not completely accurate but interesting.
The exact same scenario, using different degree of difficulties. Example, the current scenario was at the highest rating. GR could try dialing it down a notch or two and see what happens with the same assets?
An aircraft like a b-21 could likely fly at lower speed and dramatically reduce its EGT. Modern high bypass turbofans can be stood behind at 50-60ft without any kind of flow mixing. I guess what I'm saying is, The B21's thermal SIG is likely managed or otherwise altered. The deepest buried engines ever.
Cap: Our viewers are so young. Simba: Got my first Atari 2600 in 1981. Me: (whistling)...... My first computer was a TI-99 4A. I am very early Gen X (1967)
In reality, a 2nd group of 2-4 F-22's would be sent to the North of the Sam sites and the Northern Airport as a diversion. They are there to be stealthy until thery're spotted. Then they need to slow down for a few minutes then turn and run at 3/4 speed until they're getting chased, then put the peddle to the metal and get the heck out of there. This will BETTER allow the main group to get thru that tight spot.
'In reality' five hundred and thirty two Tomahawks would be launched time-on-target before the airstrike to turn off those SAM sites and any airfields nearby, meaning those CAP migs would have to fly from bases further inland of Russia, so they would ne be able to keep so many CAP planes in the air either.
Everything depended on the mission. Sometimes you ferry, sometimes you orbit and give gas, sometimes you have to dart into combat airspace to save a guy running dry. And as for the refuelings, sometimes you could even tell the skill of the individual pilot if the conditions were right haha
Not everyone is a spotty youth here, I'm an early 60's kid when a pooter was activated by the crank handle on the side, & i saw Royal Air force service in the last ten years of the cold war, still love all these sims 😎👍
Ok could this strike package destroy that Crimea bridge. And throw in a coordinated attack firing Himars Atackm or whatever they are, firing just before the bombers get into range.
Amazing and beautiful rain, cloud, and sky effects at the beginning of the mission. Is anyone else a bit surprised that the USAF is still flying 60 year old KC-135 tanker aircraft out in the real world.
I assume DCS doesn't model for the reduction of IR transmittance due to the rain/ fog? Clear night vs stormy day would be a significant change in detection range, wouldn't it?
Just imagine in real life you and your wingman in your Su-27's doing routine patrol. And then you see a whole F-22 Raptor formation with B-21😂😂 It must be EPIC
The title of this video gave me a killer idea! B-21 (or old B-2s) in a refuelling configuration! You'd need a stealthy fuel hose too. But yeah, why not make air to air refuelling stealthy enough that you could do it in the middle of Russia so long as you weren't right next to a radar installation or enemy airfield. You know, middle of nowhere kinda stuff. Fly in 8 F-22s, some B-21s with ordinance, and 8 more B21s as fuel trucks for the F22s and one top up for the paydirt B21s.
31:10 the first computer I ever used was an Apple2e with a cassette tapedeck drive. the first computer I owned was a Mac2se. It had an external harddrive about the size of a toaster, 20MB, and I was like "wow... I'll never fill this" - and I never did. meanwhile, now, I have single images larger than 20MB...
Air refueling can be one of the most difficult parts of any mission. The B-52 and SR-71 were the most difficult, un-boring aircraft I ever refueled. I remember guys working up a sweat in the B-52. A lot of us carried hand towels to wipe the sweat off our faces. Also remember getting your fuel is stressful. You don't get it and you end up diverting or worse in the middle of the ocean floating in a raft. Any mission I ever flew was planned to have refueling tracks within reach of abort bases. My record was 26 hours from Washington state to Japan and back nonstop in a B-52 with 7 planned enroute air refuelings . One was canceled near Alaska, but it was planned not to be required.
26hrs in a B-52, think about that folks, I don't like being anywhere for 26 hrs, the shit you guys do routinely is astonishing, and as a Canadian, thank God we are friends
@@biffisgreat Thanks Biff....I replied back with some awesome history but I think it was removed because I put a link in it...I am not retyping it. LOL
@@bertgarrison8317 why was refueling the Blackbird boring? I can understand the B 52...
@@dextermorgan1 he said they were both difficult and un-boring, did you lose your glasses? Not an insult, just curious.
@@dextermorgan1 I should have said "not" boring but I typed "un-boring" Both the B-52 and SR-71 were the hardest, most challenging aircraft to refuel. Definitely not boring! The B-52 because it wingspan was longer than the KC-135 so you were constantly fighting the wake from the tanker. The SR-71 because you were approaching the region of reverse command as the SR got heavy requiring one engine to be placed in after burner.
But can you shoot down a balloon?😏
I was literally going to write this comment rn lol. Beat me to it
Why would we want to do that when we can continue to appear weak and incompetent 🤷♂️
@@Mjones8383 I know you are joking, but technically that is a solid deception strategy.
@@tonyd.7088 our leaders aren't that smart
@@tonyd.7088 yeah technically one can appear weak when really strong while jamming and or inserting what data we want them to see. Kinda like a stingray/dirtbox style.
Tanker guy here. I dont know about the 135 but on the 10 we transferred roughly 6000lbs a minute. Max pressure was 55psi but the volume was incredible. The boom was more reliable than the drogue on the 10. Most of the drogue failures of the 10 on video were caused by the drogue itself failing to adhere to its speed/pressure sensing system also known as the 55 knot reduction
Thanks chief!
Cap: “Is this stupid?”
Cap (probably): “Yes it is and that’s why we are doing it.”
Me: “That’s why I’m here.”
😂
Ivan 1: And this sir, is the coverage of our air defences.
Ivan 2: Why is there a gap all the way from Ukraine to the heartland of Mother Russia without any CAP flights going up and down it? We look pretty defenceless.
Ivan 1: That's for the RUclipsrs sir, so they can make videos.
Also, CAP saying he needs discipline lessons suggests there's a GR OnlyFans...
Lol, Russian effectiveness at its full
Make a video of the unprecedented ballon over the US - F22 💥
LOLS the Ivans did indeed leave a gap. But it was a trap!
First air-to-air kill for the f-22
pro tip:
its a game
The age/generation discussion had me dying.
"I have been outside before." 😂
Solid gold, that conversation
There was never a "Pentium 286".
I think whoever mentioned that meant the 80286 processor, which came out some time in the vicinity of 1990.
Intel used numbers to identify their CPU chips through the 80386 and 80486, then they wanted to trademark the number 80586 and were told they couldn't trademark a number. So they called that processor the Pentium.
And my first computer was a Commodore Vic-20, which had a whopping 3.5 kB of RAM on-board.
Thanks Nigel.
We had a TRS-80 with programs stored on audio cassette tapes. Managed to draw a blip or two. Pretty much a hobbyist toy. Late 70s.
Going to the 80286 after that was a massive upgrade, proper home computer. Early 80s.
In my defense....that was a very long time ago. But you are correct it was the 80286.
@Chris "Firedad" - You're right : it was a long time ago. I didn't mean to sound critical. It's just that my geeky brain hangs on to details like that.
@@nigeldepledge3790 no offense taken!
Maybe let the B21 do it’s thing(it seemed to do okay by itself) and you guys set up about 10-15 miles in trail in pairs to cover the B21’s 6 o’clock. Pairing up might also cut the heat sig a bit instead of having 6 raptor’s causing a massive heat bloom. This will also allow each set of Raptors to kind of cover each a bit.
Game treats each object as individual cubes until the cubes collide and then it simulates their path through the cube and if they hit the aircraft model, so doesnt really matter it doesnt simulate a collective radar/heat signature .
Excellent idea, though I might suggest a pair ahead of the B-21 to take out jets on course to intercept before they get there
@@watcherzero5256 I guess spacing the jets out might help if one pair gets detected, the rest aren’t in the same location.
TRS System 80 was the first to have Microsoft DOS version 1.0 about 1980. The IBM 8086 PC came out in 1982, then the 8087 XT.
Flight simulators have improved a lot since then.
Heh. I learned programming in the early Seventies on an IBM mainframe. My first personal computer was a Timex Sinclair with 2k of ram and a 16k ram expansion pack.
From what I can tell, the first Tandy to run ms dos was the Tandy 2000 in ‘83. Before that their PCs were not compatible.
There never was an 8087 PC of any manufacturer. The 8087 was a math co processor that ran parallel and was controlled by an 8086 or 8088. It was supported even in the original IBM PC
I remember Tandy. And dos shell
I have watched many documentaries where they interviewed pilots and most were fairly blasé about it, like taking out the trash at home. Just a routine chore. When it got exciting was trying to keep contact in heavy turbulence or electrical storm when you HAD to succeed or you were going swimming. I cannot imagine that level of stress. There was one documentary where they attached portable cardiogram machines (where you have all the probes taped to your head and chest) to pilots to monitor stress/ blood pressure and heart rates during missions. It surprised all involved that the most stress the pilots experienced was during air to air refueling at night and then landing on the carrier at night. Those numbers dwarfed the numbers when in combat and being shot at. The carrier landing being THE most stressful part of the flight. Imagine that. So confidant in your ability to fight but worried about getting back aboard. These were naval aviators. I am sure Air Force pilots had different stress triggers. But all of them, both navy and air force said in-flight refueling was a mixture of boredom and excitement. A very odd mix
Thanks - so refueling is like a Redbull Vodka? LOL
well night carrier landings are understandable. imagine intentionally crashing into a football field surrounded by water in the pitch back night. oh and its constantly moving
@@MyLonewolf25❤ض
Cap: Fight to the death!
Wingman: Oh, I'm dead...
Cap: Mission successful
I attempted to refuel 3 times in one of the B-2 simulators on WAFB. Too much turbulence for me to hook. At least I didn't take out the tanker. The Lt. Colonel sitting in the co-pilot seat, a real B-2 pilot, had no trouble at all with the refueling. I taxied, took off, did several touch & goes, and landed. It was a lot of fun.
Eeek! We turned turb off in the sim. Now I feel like a cheat!
That's gorgeous the way it models clouds, rain, and sun breaking through. Makes for simulated breathtaking views.
I was an engine guy on the B1 and was offered the opportunity to refuel a B1 from a KC-135. It is stressful, however, the boom does flex quite a bit for moments of turbulence and even our boom operator took a couple of attempts to get it right. It's a very difficult task, however, the joystick does allow for very easy maneuverability.
@Grim Reapers Concerning long-range strike operations in peer/near-peer airspace protected by modern SAM networks (e.g., S-400, as is the case here), there would almost certainly be heavy implentation of ADM-160C MALD-J/N/X decoys/jammers well ahead of, and likely along with, the strike group. Though I don't know whether they, or anything like them, are modeled in DCS, but it would be very interesting to see their effects in this situation, as well as any of a number of others simulated on this channel.
That is despite the fact that this particular mission set is, as Cap makes clear, monstrously unrealistic & would be horrendously stupid in real meatspace.
Especially considering the JASSM variant online now (token numbers at the moment, but low-rate production actually started 2021, with delivery Q1 2024) will be the AGM-158B-2, formerly known as AGM-158D, formerly known as JASSM-XR, with 1000nmi+ range.
P. S., Huge fan! Thank you for the all good-fun times!
I can't wait for the day that tech is good enough where we can get a DCS/COMMAND Modern Ops hybrid game.
Imagine all the scenarios and possibilities...
i just come from the future to say: the US striked syria where there is a S400 battery stationed. in and out, did the mission and no problem. with f-15s. the s400 code has been cracked for quite some time (probably by the israelis, like the s300 before - they literally just paid a good chunk to some underpaid russian dude for the codes and he provided). i don't know about the newer "500" tho
but it is a good exercise for entertainment purposes tho
Cap: Get some Mr. Putin! 45:30
Mr. Putin: My move Mr. Cap! 45:45
Was a nice try though.
lol
Simba docks for air refueling like a total badass
Yup, he’s very skilled at sticking it in 😂
also note
L band radar will pick up stealth well before X band radar. so it would be expected that the infiltration will be noticed...just not targetable by the s400 using xband radar at a distance.
Underrated comment. Russian EW radar would detect "stealth" aircraft at long distances and allow interceptor aircraft to be vectored in. Stealth as we know it is really just protection against fire control radars.
True, but L band radar arrays are large and not very mobile, so it is highly likely that their locations would be known before hand with a high degree of certainty. This means they can be planned around.
im an 80s baby, born 1980 lol so i understand every reference u are using, grew up in the generation before technology and actually being outside and exploring.
One of us!
Congratulations on your boy!! Keep us up to date will keep him in our prayers
That stealthy sonic boom , gotta love it lol
Yes I agree
Apparently not as far as a Chinese ballon can make it into and through US airspace.
I love the way Cap is going to raise his little boy who will grow up to be a real man.
Retired Boomer here. Most fighters can take about 2500-3000 pounds per minute, while the big receivers like the C-5/C-17/B-52 can take the max of 6500 pounds per minute. Those lights underneath the tanker are called Pilot Director Indicator Lights, or "PDI Lights."
Cap when you eject the canopy, your RCS raises a lot! But idk if this happens in this DCS mod... you can do a video about it?
Already investigated, in game it does not affect anything, aerodynamically or RCS. Different to real life obviously.
So it kind of sounds like AESA is low-probably-of-intercept because it's not transmitting a single radar frequency, but instead constantly changing frequencies which makes it really hard for RWR to figure out that the EM it's detecting is a threat radar.
Not to mention they are angled towards space anyway which would make it even harder to pick up
it would be good when they model radar frequencies properly in the game because these would most likely be detected with the low frequency EWR and fighters would be vectored to the plane to shoot it at close range as most stealth planes are optimised for high frequency radar stealth which is what fighters and SAMs use to lock and fire
The b 21 and b 2 are also pretty stealth to low band radars because they are flying wings. Fighters however aren't so that would work for the fighters
@@brennansnitkey8530 yes true
Yeah, but vectoring fighters then requires that those fighters defeat a squadron of F22s, which is a real difficult task.
@@jonathanpfeffer3716 not according to DCS, SU-35s are the equal of the F-22, and the Russian missiles are accurate and the American missiles are not
@@override367 I wouldn’t advise you use video games as a source in any serious context.
Polish weather doesn't seem to differ much from British summer. At least according to Mr Clarkson.
Agree
You should do a balloon sim in light of recent events. F-22 raptor with AIM-9X, balloon at 65000 feet.
You guys may wanna recruit Growling Sidewinder to your formation for this to work ;)
Whoop, whoop, stealthy boom boom today!! Gotta luv it!
F-22 is pretty stealthy but can be detected (weapons lock is another story), B-21 I imagine might go noticed.
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I’m a tanker Crew Chief and it doesn’t take long per fighter to refuel. Just wait till the program put in the new KC-46 as a tanker, lots of new capabilities with it. As we say, Nobody Kicks Ass Without Tanker Gas (NKAWTG).
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Congratulations Cap! Extremely happy to hear about the new addition to your family brotha!
That is exactly how the B-2 does it when going into deep strike operations, think path of least resistance. I would assume the B-21 would use the same doctrine when it comes to deep strike operations. RB
Seeing the Radar range circles and the flight path "threading the needle" on the mission map is giving me the fiercest "Project: Stealth Fighter" (C64) flashbacks... 😅
i used to live in virginia near the NAS Oceana navy base and i would love to see some type of war games involving that base. By looking online there seems so be about 250 F/A-18 super hornets and i was lucky enough to get a tour of the base and hangers from my friend an F-18 pilot. Also with the navy ships stationed in that area and the Langley air force have with 5th gen, it would be cool to see russia attempt an attack and see THE BLOB of F/A-18s all scrambled.
i worked on an american air base in good old blighty, the most amazing thing I saw as a full base scramble cars dumped, shopping dropped.....8x F15s scramble with vertical take offs...my jaw was on the floor it was before smart phones im sorry to say
you think those are disconnection issues for eschelon2 but thats actually the new stealth coatings in action. glad they simulated that in dcs.
I'd love to see more diversity in these recent scenarios-- SU-30SM's, SU-35's, MIG-31's, and SU-57's! Instead of all SU-35's and the occasional SU-57's and or MIG-31...😅🙏
Some more Su-34 and Su-25 action would be awesome
Agree but it takes ages to test and balance all of the sensors in scenarios like this to weed out bugs and weird results, hence why I usually stick to 1 or 2 aircraft types.
@@grimreapers but your Super Cap
@@grimreapers just kiddin around, I understand, lol still hopeful however understanding! In all seriousness your team and yourself do an amazing job putting out outstanding content! Keep up the amazing work!😁✌
My favorite mission y’all have done so far! Maybe do something similar with the B21 actually firing at something and RTB?
This was incredibly fun to watch. Love the rain!
Did Cap ditch his canopy?
Again, yes, its his special tactical move ;)
@@Debbiebabe69 why? :)
@@DelonixRadar I dunno, probably the same reason the road runner says 'bip bip' every time he flies past the coyote....
I’m 52 and watching you. 😅. I started with an Apple IIE then IBM PC 8088 playing Gunship and Megfortress. Love DCS and what we can do. Thank you for the videos!
I agree with an earlier suggestion to let Raider go ahead. The design of the plane helps to dissipate a heat signature much like the F-117 & B-2. It is likely it’ll get further flying solo or perhaps with 1 raptor escort. The rest of the squadron could fly 5-10 miles behind in a tactical formation to spread out the IR signature of the Raptors. You’d still be close enough to have intercept and Fox 3 options if spotted. Also the deconfliction of missile shots will work to your advantage. I wonder if a UAV would be beneficial flying a route next to the border after the package is 50 or so miles in. Something large enough to get the radar interest of the SU35 & Mig31 while the package proceeds in the midst of the distraction. Much lower cost to have a UAV get shot than one of the stealths, and no human collateral damage or pow.
Okay so now we need a video on the F-22 shooting down spy baloons!
You can't - the game crashes
We've gotten so advanced that old age technology is now stealthy lmao
35yr old. US Navy vet, P3 mechanic. love the videos!
14:43 There's some next level 5th gen stealth tech at work here
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The Official Simba Fan Club is back from our mission and would like to let the team know the average age of our membership is 36. Also the people's hero made that refueling look easy!!!!! Our club thought of a question we would like each member of GR to answer in a future video: If there was a situation like the one in the film "independence day" and combat pilots were needed for a real world threat and a call was put out for volunteers: would you answer the call?
one word awesome......second can you left me have the mail address for the OSFC please
I’d join too - but might raise your average age limit LOL
I'd do it but probably f*ck it up.
So happy to see you're getting better at in flight refueling cap!
You definitely have to try this again until it works. Stealth penetration of a non-permissive environment is what these airframes were built for.
May not be the most fun mission to fly, but very entertaining.
That was excellent - please keep these videos coming
Lets repeat this mission with better planning. Loved it. So intense. Way to go boys.
As one who planned B52 missions for both SAC and during Desert Storm, your route is completely within operational parameters. We knew where every fixed SAM site was and routed the '52's around them
Tactics suggestion: Would thick clouds mask the IR signature? If so, it seems like this mission should be conducted in atrocious weather and you should fly in the clouds as much as possible.
I do not think it does. It used to make trouble for older radar but not now.
The clouds aren’t going to mask IR, but it might reduce the effectiveness of Radar a bit.
Hardly. You know how it's not "nighttime" during a cloudy day, just not bright and sunny? Same idea. Clouds are translucent, not opaque.
@@TheRealAaronSmith Yeah but they scatter the light, each individual water drop is like a prism refracting. So opacity ranges from about 10% blocked light in cloud wisps, 40% blocked light in standard clouds such that you cant see the blue of the other side as the light has been diffused, upto 80% blocked for grey rain clouds and 100% blocked light for black thunderclouds.
I think your Russian CAP is way to aggressive. The Russians do half our training and a lot of their aircraft are under maintenance
40 year old viewer here. Love the videos, and hope to share the skies with you when I get around to getting on DCS.
And congrats Cap!
I blew my drink all over my screen with the comment "Is he trying to stick it in" and "is it still in guys?"
I love the storm cloud scenery at angels 20+!
Boomer here. Love the videos and the old school computer references. My first was a Tandy 1000 around 84-85. I believe it used the 8088 processor.
The first one I used was a DEC PDP 11-35 in 1984. I was programming in FORTRAN. LOL
"We simulate eastern Russia" ....uhm,are you sure Cap? It's western Russia that borders with Ukraine and other European countries. Eastern Russia "borders" with US at
Alaska.
Whoopsy!
Might be a controvertial comment but can you reduce the RCS of all aircraft that carries jammers since they reduce the range at which they can be detected? More reduction if the aircraft has offensive jamming and not just defensive. Even more reduction if its a stealth aircraft because the smaller the RCS, the easier it is to hide yourself with jammers. As for people who say that jamming ruins stealth, as iy acts as a beacon, well no because the lightning (im not so sure about the raptor) uses directional jamming so it will only blind specific radars so the enemy will have a very hard time if not impossible to find the source. Essentially the same tech as the lightning's MADL data link and its LPI radar.
Infrared detection will still be a thing but shouldn't be too much of a problem because you can always make sure your exhaust isnt seen by enemy aircraft especially when you can clearly see them. The Raptor and F35 also have IR reduction features. Interstingly, the -35's vert stabs are specially designed to hide the exhaust as much as possible in different angles. I also read somewhere that the 35 has special flight controls that can limit the controls of the pilot to make sure its less stealthy angles wont be seen as much as possible.
Cheers!
Yeah I wish their was a solution for this because the jammers in game are basically useless. We know how effective jamming was in both wars in Iraq and they have only gotten better.
dude, the F35 doesn't even have LO on any aspect except the frontal. From other aspects it is completely non-stealthy
Oh really? And where did you get that information? I'm 50% sure its from air power australia. Is it the one with the diagrams where there's a circle around the F35 with 3 different colors showing 'stealthiness' in different radar bands? That's the one from APA which is total BS. Did you know that some pilots and even high ranking officers say that the F35 is actually stealthier than the F22? Read up actual interviews from actual pilots and what they say about the F35. Don't believe me? Well lets use some basic logic here. If they are so unstealthy, why are more than a dozen countries buying them by the dozens? Why not just buy the Su-57? Hey, by your logic they should have the same RCS. Or even just the F-16 which is way cheaper to buy and operate.
Can the B-21s body be used as an invisability blanket/shield for the F-22? ie place the B-21 between the Raptor and the nearest radar threat.
You mean IR detector - Don’t you?
@@TraditionalAnglican Nope radar, the B-21 has a lower signature so if the Raptor is behind it its masked from the radar? The infared of the two jets, if close enough, would combine and make them more detectable...I think. Your thoughts are welcomed:)
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maybe you can do tutorials on how to make custom radars or similar things about the editor. im new to dcs and would watch that kind of content. just a suggestion.
hmmm problem is I don't actually make them myself. So not really sure.
there are 3 ways to detect and target rcs stealth aircraft: worst =Radar, guaranteed =irst, most consequential to stealth invaders is EW signature due to invaders none passive targeting systems.
On the off-chance no one has mentioned this to you, Grim: Habitual Linecrosser is a bit of an expert on these things. I'm sure he wouldn't mind giving you some pointers on these setups 😊
That's why French and Russian refuellers makes sense where you can refuel two aircrafts at once and through probe & drogue
They might have trouble locking onto the stealth aircraft but that's a long long way from not detecting them. Detecting a squadron like this going deep into Russia might result in getting an airburst nuke shot at them, no locking on required.
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a storm reduces IRST capabilities. this is a best case scenario weather wise for the mission.
..but not above the clouds in this case
I have a masters in US military history and these videos are very interesting to me. I know the comparisons between old equipment and new equipment are not completely accurate but interesting.
The exact same scenario, using different degree of difficulties. Example, the current scenario was at the highest rating.
GR could try dialing it down a notch or two and see what happens with the same assets?
16:10 every cloud has a silver lining. Unfortunately sometimes that silver is another aircraft.
Congratulations on having a son Capt! You also have viewers with grandchildren…. Just saying. 🤙🏽
:)
I wonder if the army is using something like dcs to simulate their stuff
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An aircraft like a b-21 could likely fly at lower speed and dramatically reduce its EGT. Modern high bypass turbofans can be stood behind at 50-60ft without any kind of flow mixing.
I guess what I'm saying is, The B21's thermal SIG is likely managed or otherwise altered. The deepest buried engines ever.
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In reality, a 2nd group of 2-4 F-22's would be sent to the North of the Sam sites and the Northern Airport as a diversion. They are there to be stealthy until thery're spotted. Then they need to slow down for a few minutes then turn and run at 3/4 speed until they're getting chased, then put the peddle to the metal and get the heck out of there. This will BETTER allow the main group to get thru that tight spot.
'In reality' five hundred and thirty two Tomahawks would be launched time-on-target before the airstrike to turn off those SAM sites and any airfields nearby, meaning those CAP migs would have to fly from bases further inland of Russia, so they would ne be able to keep so many CAP planes in the air either.
Time to make a F-22 vs spy balloon video Cap' !
Everything depended on the mission. Sometimes you ferry, sometimes you orbit and give gas, sometimes you have to dart into combat airspace to save a guy running dry. And as for the refuelings, sometimes you could even tell the skill of the individual pilot if the conditions were right haha
Not everyone is a spotty youth here, I'm an early 60's kid when a pooter was activated by the crank handle on the side, & i saw Royal Air force service in the last ten years of the cold war, still love all these sims 😎👍
Ok could this strike package destroy that Crimea bridge. And throw in a coordinated attack firing Himars Atackm or whatever they are, firing just before the bombers get into range.
Amazing and beautiful rain, cloud, and sky effects at the beginning of the mission. Is anyone else a bit surprised that the USAF is still flying 60 year old KC-135 tanker aircraft out in the real world.
I think your formation was way too big for what you were trying to do. Maybe a B21 and two F22s
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I would like to see you guys try it again with just 2 raptors and again with 2 F-35s. Maybe even plan a distraction.
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I assume DCS doesn't model for the reduction of IR transmittance due to the rain/ fog? Clear night vs stormy day would be a significant change in detection range, wouldn't it?
Interesting comment, I don't think I've tested this.
Just imagine in real life you and your wingman in your Su-27's doing routine patrol. And then you see a whole F-22 Raptor formation with B-21😂😂
It must be EPIC
The title of this video gave me a killer idea! B-21 (or old B-2s) in a refuelling configuration! You'd need a stealthy fuel hose too. But yeah, why not make air to air refuelling stealthy enough that you could do it in the middle of Russia so long as you weren't right next to a radar installation or enemy airfield. You know, middle of nowhere kinda stuff. Fly in 8 F-22s, some B-21s with ordinance, and 8 more B21s as fuel trucks for the F22s and one top up for the paydirt B21s.
oh wait, isn't the Navy already doing this...?
31:10 the first computer I ever used was an Apple2e with a cassette tapedeck drive. the first computer I owned was a Mac2se. It had an external harddrive about the size of a toaster, 20MB, and I was like "wow... I'll never fill this" - and I never did.
meanwhile, now, I have single images larger than 20MB...
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