This is what real EV's should be like. Efficient, aerodynamic, self charge top-up. Not some power hungry speed monstrosity. So much better for the environment because it's not needing huge batteries and big heavy motors.
Aptera Ambassador, accelerator investor ( #85 on leaderboard) and reservation holder. Gota Say : best overview and gamma ride video I’ve seen yet! Congrats on great job. I LOVE that you clearly showed how rear view works, measuring interior noise, and backing up, and comments on handling. GREAT Review/Preview
I am a big Aptera fan, Accelerator investor; this is the first review where I have seen the inside cabin noise measured and reverse parking reviewed-well done!
@@myaccount__7269 “The poorest way to face life is to face it with a sneer. A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticize work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life's realities-all these are marks, not ... of superiority but of weakness.” - Theodore Roosevelt
@@myaccount__7269 Such Commited scammers that they've spent 100 million dollars on making injection molds, parts, solar panels, a battery pack manufacturing partnership, AGVs for the production line, testbed prototypes and so on. If you are so certain they are scammers prove it with something more substantial than " They weren't in production when I looked that one time"
Great Aptera overview and test drive, well done! It's cool that you took noise level measurements. My wife and I have been Aptera order holders and investors since November of '21 and cannot wait to be behind the yolk of our very own!!
@@Stubones999 yeah, that’s been a common complaint in the community, I’ve had a Deposit down since early 2022. I thought I’d already be in one by now. If they can get models in customer hands by 2025 then all power to them. However, if that comes and passes, I’m sure the climate and patience’s of owners may run dry.
@@Stubones999I placed the 42nd order Aptera ever recieved. I am thrilled that the design of the vehicle that will be delivered will be FAR advanced over what I originally ordered.
I am absolutely psyched from this video. As an Accelerator, I cannot wait until the end of this year and the beginning of next year when these hit the street. To all the skeptics and naysayers- thanks for the motivation.
@@myaccount__7269 "Hahahahah they said that last year dummy": to be fair, like most companies, the timelines they present, often can't be realised. But that goes for many many companies. For example: if we believed Elon Musk, Tesla's would be capable of full self-drive years ago, without the need for a driver to pay attention. Anyway, you should not use insulting words like 'dummy'. We already have too many narcissists.
Great brief. I too enjoyed “ your back up experience , the decibel comparison Tesla ( production ) vehicle to this Gamma ( development ) vehicle. The next vehicle is Production Intent (PI) so will show us reality and with a CPC formed body and road dampening, etc. I assume the full solar and production battery pack…The real deal ! The steering will be adjustable too in the PI . Double density foam seats too… It should be sweet! Crash testing an autocycle too ! Game changer!
Great to see fresh new content and yet another positive first-hand experience. My confidence was high already, but it improves with each "real world" video like this. Thanks.
I hope Aptera really makes their mark in the automotive industry. The design & price point is better than any other EV on the market right now. The 250 Range model is only $25,900 compared to other EV's are over $40,000 or more $$$. I could easily drive the 250 Range as my daily driver. I commute 50 miles round trip to work 5 days a week and this car would really work for my use. For your average working class American this is priced well below others on the market. Most people who commute to work drive by themselves in a huge SUV gas hogg. Aptera will be a huge influencer for future EV's
Not sure I can see how or where they could possibly put a 100kwh battery required for the 1000mile version. They are also using 2 or 3 hub motors (depending on spec) supplied be Elaphe, hub motors are materially less efficient than traditional on-board motors with a reduction gear. I am seeing all the claims coming from the Aptera CEO but we are not seeing any independent verification. Until I see someone independent take one out on a road trip and charge it at a supercharger and see the actual Wh/mi and range I will remain highly sceptical.
Hub motors eliminate gear lash and axle joint losses but have the unsprung weight disadvantage. Aptera is 60/40 weighted on purpose for additional stability. Aptera has performed the moose test successfully with their beta model without the need of extension bars other vehicles required.
Their "battery case" is the same size for all of their packs. The height of the battery cells inside the pack change. The 400 mile 45kWh pack. uses 2170 NMC lithium-ion battery cells. They are 21mm in diameter and 70mm tall. The modules are fully populated for the 400 mile battery and they depopulate every other row in the pack for 250 mile battery The 600 mile battery uses 2190 NMC cells, fully populated, 21mm in diameter and 90mm tall. The 1,000 mile battery uses 21120 NMC cells. 21mm in diameter and 120mm tall
@@madmotorcyclist Aptera used a driving frame for the mooses test. And still you can see the tracks on the grass that showed how often the mooses test went wrong.
@@vic321344 Really? 🤔 Hmmm. Those grass tracks could likely be from other cars. Aptera doesn't own that track. They just use is, along with other people and companies.
Was excited about this car, but I'm gonna be honest, the touch screen drive controls + climate, audio, etc. controls is a trend that needs to die. Imagine parallel parking and you don't realize a tap to change between reverse and drive wasn't registered.
Yeah it uses so little energy that energy costs are bordering on negligible. And if you park outside in cali sun there are no energy costs. Which a Dodge Challenger cannot claim.
Great video well done! Love seeing you getting into the back. The first production car will not have that beautiful hatch window. I can only hope that the 2001 car will be available with a glass rear hatch window.
I know this isn’t the production model but the tray in front of the steering wheel looks like a catch all and hard to clean. Still, it’s not stopping me from my reservation or investments. 👍
Correct, If you live in a desert, its possible to achieve 40 miles a day which is a crazy number like 14k miles a year. The CEO explained to me the average person in California can expect 11,000 miles a year or 30 miles a day.
@@AIAddict No. If you live in a desert, aka very high solar irradiance, you'll AVERAGE 30 miles a day. You'll only get the occasional 40 miles a day in the summer. Some areas in California are certainly desert so they'll get the 30 miles per day AVERAGE but the CEO is really, really exaggerating when he said the average person in California would get the 30 miles per day AVERAGE.
@@bobhilder1469 If you are like me and your car spends 8am to 6pm in an underground carpark at work it's usefullness has declined significantly - also have to not garage it ever and never leave it in a shaded area. I have looked at the electrical specs, the car is specified with 700w peak solar production (new) - that will give you around 5.0Kwh on a completely cloudless day mid summer in San Diego (after charge losses) so that would require around 8 miles per kwh usage / 125 Wh/mile so 40miles is conceivable in ideal conditions. A 700w array will provide on average 50%-60% of the peak theoretical output as an average annually in a dry climate like San Diego factoring reduced sunlight hours in winter and cloudy / rainy days. You're looking at 2.5 to 3.0 Kwh supplied average year round. = 910 to 1100 Kwh total - 11,000 miles would obviously require 100Wh/mi in all conditions, if it could acheive this average it's possible in ideal conditons.
With a 700w array the most it will produce is 5kwh charge to the battery mid summer in San Diego on a cloudless day 40mi/5kwh = 8mi per kwh - feasible. 11,000 miles is a stretch - allowing for winter and cloudy days it will produce 920-1100kwh in a dry year in San Diego - the car would need to consume 100Wh/mi in all conditions - seems pretty low but possible for such a small car.
@bobhilder1469 HI Bob. You have mentioned a solar setup that you have not performing that well. Can you tell me how many what's it is and and at least the state that use in ?
It looks so sleek and unique. Hopefully they'll make it a LOT quieter, 68db at 35mph means at 70mph it's gonna be loud enough not to be able to have a normal conversation.
Yeah, I agree. During our testing, the Tesla was achieving 68/69 db @ 80mph for comparison. Once Aptera adds noise insulation, I'm sure it will be an easy fix.
According to Chatgpt, 1000 mile range of an Aptera is achieved only if you go 20 mph. You get 300 mile range when you travel at 70 mph. Say it ain't so
how much energy does Chatgpt use? Does it have a self-destruct function to save life on Earth? AI could care less. Also ask Chatgpt about the Aerosol Masking Effect being twice as bad as previously thought. Then Ask ChatGPT about the world's largest ocean shelf having 1200 gigatons of pressurized methane - the ESAS. Chatgpt is an idiot.
@@billsmith5960 From Chris Anthony in the last EVA show:”the first PI shells will be delivered in a couple of months”, I take it the end of March or beginning of April. There are 16 PI vehicles to be built and tested. Test procedures, test rigs, test instruments, test data acquisition and analysis would take quite a long time for 16 PI vehicles. And when a test is failed, a retest must be done. The probability that Aptera can deliver first car in 2024 is quite low in my opinion.
I think it'll all be on the screen, except for the volume on the yoke. Far from ideal, but absolutely worth it; they don't hate customers and will probably do the best they can with it. If real buttons can be modded in - which I think is possible in the future (given their eagerness to allow people to change up the center console) - that would be great
@@-NGC-6302- There are Forward, Reverse, Neutral, and Park physical buttons below the infotainment screen/HVAC. In case the screen malfunctions. There are also emergency pull handles on the floor to pop the doors.
"The claim a person can drive 1000 miles on a full charge. Has that been tested? That's more than three times the distance of other Electric Vehicles.": Those other vehicles are 2 times as heavy and have a much higher drag coefficient.
Actually, the carbon fiber in the Aptera is a clay or paste like lump from Mitsubishi Chemical that is placed in the mold and pressed. It is not woven fabric.
Just based on automobile sales history, it is safe to say both the cyber truck and this car have low potential in terms of public acceptance. Every new model ever produced that departed significantly from the "asthetic norm' of the day has failed over time regardless of how many new and improved technical innovations were incorporated. I can think of no exceptions. However, these visually-unique models usually attract a small segment of buyers interested in the "look at me" aspect.
"Every new model ever produced that departed significantly from the "asthetic norm' of the day has failed over time regardless of how many new and improved technical innovations were incorporated.": The current cars don't look much like the Ford Model T (or the cars before that) which was at some point the car you saw the most on the roads (except that the Model T also had 4 wheels). Likewise, in the future, especially cars for 2..3 persons, might be looking very different from today's cars intended for 2 persons. "... in the "look at me" aspect.": You are missing the point: the shape is dictated by having a low drag coefficient; not to be 'other' or 'new'.
The incorporated solar panels and tent add-on are pretty unique. Otherwise we’ve seen this same song and dance from Elio except they boasted an affordable vehicle as well. I can’t image this thing selling under $40k and that’s simply too expensive to be competitive.
"It's not capable of harvesting 40 miles per day. They've never provided any data to support that claim. I'd be surprised if it was 10 miles.": 40 Miles _might_ be a bit a stretch, but only 10 miles is _definitely_ a stretch, if it is sunny weather. (Were I live, I would not have many months with 9 hours sun a day, so I wouldn't get the 40 files very often.) Because you are acustomed to low mileage numbers for other cars with solar panels, that doesn't mean that this car isn't way better than 10 miles per day. Those other numbers you are acustomed to, is for heavy cars (like Tesla) with much worse drag coefficient.
Your solar panels in the front are your bumper. So smart! And the solar panels look like a child glued them there. By the time they half bake this for a roll out if ever will be $50k++.
Aptera reservation holder and investor here. Aptera is like the vehicle version of fsd, always next year. I have no hope that I will ever see the vehicle that I have been waiting years for.
That’s been a common complaint in the community, I’ve had a Deposit down since early 2022. I thought I’d already be in one by now. Although, look at Tesla with the Cybertruck. Kinda similar boat, although I'm pretty sure Aptera's current moat is their current cash on hand. They need a lot more to hit production this year. If they can get models in customer hands by 2025 then all power to them. However, if that comes and passes, I’m sure the climate and patience’s of owners may run dry as you mention. I'm hopefully they can do it. They have the right attitude, it all depends on if the venture capital will follow with it IMO.
@@AIAddict made my 10k investment and reservation summer of ‘21. I have rather significant health issues now. If I do buy an ev it may very well be the vw microbus. Or should Toyota get get things going one of their ev products.
The high end investors have late 2024 estimates on their account web page as delivery for them. It assumes successful crash validation and final purchases of high volume manufacturing equipment and more funding.
@@madmotorcyclist wrong answer. It depends on which spec vehicle you have ordered. For me I ordered the 1k version. So with the revised production schedule, I’ll be waiting. For a while. A long while.
I will say it can be frustrating, but if the UI is simple enough, it can be worth it as long as crucial buttons aren’t behind multiple presses like my Tesla at times. It all comes down to design IMO. I do like having the combination of physical buttons and touch screen on my Chevy Bolt. I feel the most inconvenient will be not having physical window buttons. What physical button do you think will be most annoying not having?
They applied what Sandy Munro told them to eliminate as many buttons as possible. There are manual buttons only for music volume and horn in steering wheel hub, and the drive modes (these are under the display).
How is any car company that does not have autonomous capability in 2030 going to survive? At some point it might become illegal for humans to drive given the annual death toll of human drivers once autonomy is fully proven.
Aptera has chosen to incorporate OpenPilot by Comma.Ai for their Level 2 self driving features. It’s an added option during configuration. What’s your opinion on their choice to choose OpenPilot?
Illegal for humans to drive. Not in my lifetime. CommaAI and OpenPilot look very capable. I wasn't going to spring for the option but after watching some videos of it I think I will add it.
Do brands still manufacture station wagons in the states? I used to love them growing up. The door handles are interesting. I kept opening doors / hatches by knocking on the car panels. I’m sure the vibration can be detected in ice? You might know more than me, I live in California.
The 1000 mile range version is not existent. Same with a production prototype . You drove an early prototype that has nearly nothing to do with the intended production vehicle. And there are no data available about the real efficiency of the solar.
@@DemaGeek I've had several discussions with him. He's just a troll so it goes nowhere. Much like the Aussie guy who admits to being a troll and says he wears the title as a badge of honor, actually honour because he's Australian and they spell funny. I asked vic if he would admit to being a troll. Crickets. I usually just ignore them but, once in awhile, I get annoyed by them and strike back. It's like boxing with the wind because they'll never stop. They get some kind of cheap thrill out of it. It's probably a mental disorder that would require treatment.
Absolutely no way can aptera justify giving it a "1000 mile" range. No EV has ever gotten anywhere close to that. And if they do, it certainly wouldn't be anywhere near the $30K price point aptera is estimating. Not to mention the company has went bankrupt before. This is just the Elio motors of EVS.
@@AIAddict ...alright, find me a new EV with a VERIFIED 400 mile range for between $30K and $40K without tax credits I can walk my leaf owning ass to the dealership and get today. It's not happening.
@@roswellgrey5746 It's clearly designed VERY different than most cars to be extremely lightweight and has solar panels on it. The range likely will be more in the 280 range if you add some extra weight in cargo to it.
"Absolutely no way can aptera justify giving it a "1000 mile" range. No EV has ever gotten anywhere close to that. And if they do, it certainly wouldn't be anywhere near the $30K price point aptera is estimating.": No EV has ever had the same low drag coefficient and the same low weight! So you are comparing oranges with pears. And about the $30k price tag for the '1000 mile version': you are correct, it will be closer to $40k. I think 1000 miles are only possible for people who drive slow/conservative. But batteries become better, it won't be very long before most with a '1200 miles version' really can get 1000 miles. Have you ever checked the manufacturer claims of ICE cars? It is rare to see real world fuel consumption numbers _there_.
Everything about the car looks really great and practical. Except the yoke and the goddamn touchscreen shifter. It is beyond me why any car company would do this
@@lectricbill3329 "The current design has shift selector buttons below the screen.": Still, there is a (big) flaw with the current design: the screen should _not_ be glossy, but matte.
This is what real EV's should be like. Efficient, aerodynamic, self charge top-up. Not some power hungry speed monstrosity. So much better for the environment because it's not needing huge batteries and big heavy motors.
Nope. EVs should be cheap, long living, safe, easy to manage, low maintenance cost.
Lol nope. If ev are to replace fossil cars it needs to be better than this amalgam of compromises.
@@vic321344🤡
@@vic321344You’re the most prolific anti-Aptera troll on the internet, congratulations. Is that you Elon? 🤣🤣🤣
@@AaronVets Facts dont care about your feelings.
Aptera Ambassador, accelerator investor ( #85 on leaderboard) and reservation holder.
Gota Say : best overview and gamma ride video I’ve seen yet! Congrats on great job. I LOVE that you clearly showed how rear view works, measuring interior noise, and backing up, and comments on handling. GREAT Review/Preview
Wow, thanks! I cannot wait for Delta to arrive so we can do it all again but in more detail! :)
lol you got scammed
@@myaccount__7269Troll. Obviously.
Thanks, Jerrry. It is you and your wife that are helping us all get there!
@@n.brucenelson5920 go away idiot shill.." will be released next year" was what you clowns said in 22...then 23...now it's 2024 . SCAMMMNMMMMMMM
Finally an EV that actually delivers on the reasons people are pushing EVs.
I am a big Aptera fan, Accelerator investor; this is the first review where I have seen the inside cabin noise measured and reverse parking reviewed-well done!
Glad you enjoyed our tests! Cannot wait to do more tests or see how they compare when Delta arrives!
You got scammed . Get out asap
@@myaccount__7269 “The poorest way to face life is to face it with a sneer. A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticize work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life's realities-all these are marks, not ... of superiority but of weakness.” - Theodore Roosevelt
@@myaccount__7269 Such Commited scammers that they've spent 100 million dollars on making injection molds, parts, solar panels, a battery pack manufacturing partnership, AGVs for the production line, testbed prototypes and so on. If you are so certain they are scammers prove it with something more substantial than " They weren't in production when I looked that one time"
Great Aptera overview and test drive, well done! It's cool that you took noise level measurements. My wife and I have been Aptera order holders and investors since November of '21 and cannot wait to be behind the yolk of our very own!!
Can't wait to see these hit the production line
They should have a few on the line in 2024 with deliveries slatted for 2025!
My brother has had money down for one for several years. The problem is that it keeps being pushed down the road for a due date.
@@Stubones999 yeah, that’s been a common complaint in the community, I’ve had a Deposit down since early 2022. I thought I’d already be in one by now. If they can get models in customer hands by 2025 then all power to them. However, if that comes and passes, I’m sure the climate and patience’s of owners may run dry.
@@Stubones999I placed the 42nd order Aptera ever recieved. I am thrilled that the design of the vehicle that will be delivered will be FAR advanced over what I originally ordered.
This is a serious game changer!
I am absolutely psyched from this video. As an Accelerator, I cannot wait until the end of this year and the beginning of next year when these hit the street. To all the skeptics and naysayers- thanks for the motivation.
Hahahahah they said that last year dummy
@@myaccount__7269 "Hahahahah they said that last year dummy": to be fair, like most companies, the timelines they present, often can't be realised. But that goes for many many companies. For example: if we believed Elon Musk, Tesla's would be capable of full self-drive years ago, without the need for a driver to pay attention. Anyway, you should not use insulting words like 'dummy'. We already have too many narcissists.
Great brief. I too enjoyed “ your back up experience , the decibel comparison Tesla ( production ) vehicle to this Gamma ( development ) vehicle. The next vehicle is Production Intent (PI) so will show us reality and with a CPC formed body and road dampening, etc. I assume the full solar and production battery pack…The real deal ! The steering will be adjustable too in the PI . Double density foam seats too… It should be sweet! Crash testing an autocycle too ! Game changer!
Great to see fresh new content and yet another positive first-hand experience. My confidence was high already, but it improves with each "real world" video like this. Thanks.
I've been so curious about Aptera, thanks for the video!
No problem! Hope you enjoyed it! 😊
And significantly more space in the production Intent Aptera's storage behing the two seats - 32.5 cubic feet!
The model in video has the dimensions the same as production intent as far as I am ware.
Actually, the PI models will be about 1% larger inside than gamma.
I hope Aptera really makes their mark in the automotive industry. The design & price point is better than any other EV on the market right now. The 250 Range model is only $25,900 compared to other EV's are over $40,000 or more $$$. I could easily drive the 250 Range as my daily driver. I commute 50 miles round trip to work 5 days a week and this car would really work for my use. For your average working class American this is priced well below others on the market. Most people who commute to work drive by themselves in a huge SUV gas hogg. Aptera will be a huge influencer for future EV's
Nice presentation and review of the Aptera. Thanks!
Thank you!! Glad you enjoyed it! 😊
Not sure I can see how or where they could possibly put a 100kwh battery required for the 1000mile version. They are also using 2 or 3 hub motors (depending on spec) supplied be Elaphe, hub motors are materially less efficient than traditional on-board motors with a reduction gear.
I am seeing all the claims coming from the Aptera CEO but we are not seeing any independent verification. Until I see someone independent take one out on a road trip and charge it at a supercharger and see the actual Wh/mi and range I will remain highly sceptical.
Hub motors eliminate gear lash and axle joint losses but have the unsprung weight disadvantage. Aptera is 60/40 weighted on purpose for additional stability. Aptera has performed the moose test successfully with their beta model without the need of extension bars other vehicles required.
Their "battery case" is the same size for all of their packs. The height of the battery cells inside the pack change. The 400 mile 45kWh pack. uses 2170 NMC lithium-ion battery cells. They are 21mm in diameter and 70mm tall. The modules are fully populated for the 400 mile battery and they depopulate every other row in the pack for 250 mile battery
The 600 mile battery uses 2190 NMC cells, fully populated, 21mm in diameter and 90mm tall. The 1,000 mile battery uses 21120 NMC cells. 21mm in diameter and 120mm tall
@@garywozniak7742 There is no 600 mile batterie existent. nor is the 1000 mile batterie. Just empty promises.
@@madmotorcyclist Aptera used a driving frame for the mooses test. And still you can see the tracks on the grass that showed how often the mooses test went wrong.
@@vic321344 Really? 🤔 Hmmm. Those grass tracks could likely be from other cars. Aptera doesn't own that track. They just use is, along with other people and companies.
I look forward to the IIHS crashworthiness testing.
That will be happening this early spring.
@@madmotorcyclist "will be" : most often used expression from Aptera since 2009.
Keep trying Vic I get a could laugh from you.
@@madmotorcyclist You laugh, I drive BEV.
I'm still driving my 2011 Nissan Leaf (still on original battery) and still get 65 miles range on it. Long range, I take my Harley.
Was excited about this car, but I'm gonna be honest, the touch screen drive controls + climate, audio, etc. controls is a trend that needs to die. Imagine parallel parking and you don't realize a tap to change between reverse and drive wasn't registered.
Yeah that could get frustrating if it doesn’t work right. Hopefully it does. I’ve seen the Tesla’s be laggy in this regard.
There will be redundant physical analog buttons for PRNDL functions below the multifunction display if you'd rather use this instead.
Also, the air vents will have manually adjusted levers.
Great point but easy fix… audible backup sound like delivery trucks but less annoying. Just a brief confirming beep-beep-beep.
Yeah it uses so little energy that energy costs are bordering on negligible. And if you park outside in cali sun there are no energy costs. Which a Dodge Challenger cannot claim.
Aptera is amazing
Rivian Delivery Van cameo at 5:54 was the best 🤣
I like it. From Cambodia 😂
Great video well done! Love seeing you getting into the back. The first production car will not have that beautiful hatch window. I can only hope that the 2001 car will be available with a glass rear hatch window.
Been waiting for this longer than the cybertruck. Will it ever make it to production
Yes.
I know this isn’t the production model but the tray in front of the steering wheel looks like a catch all and hard to clean. Still, it’s not stopping me from my reservation or investments. 👍
Best EV ever!
😊
but it won't help Elon Mush hire me to work in his strip club on Mars!
FYI, only expect the average 30 miles a day from the solar in very high solar irradiance area like the desert southwest of the USA.
Correct, If you live in a desert, its possible to achieve 40 miles a day which is a crazy number like 14k miles a year. The CEO explained to me the average person in California can expect 11,000 miles a year or 30 miles a day.
@@AIAddict No. If you live in a desert, aka very high solar irradiance, you'll AVERAGE 30 miles a day. You'll only get the occasional 40 miles a day in the summer. Some areas in California are certainly desert so they'll get the 30 miles per day AVERAGE but the CEO is really, really exaggerating when he said the average person in California would get the 30 miles per day AVERAGE.
@@bobhilder1469 If you are like me and your car spends 8am to 6pm in an underground carpark at work it's usefullness has declined significantly - also have to not garage it ever and never leave it in a shaded area.
I have looked at the electrical specs, the car is specified with 700w peak solar production (new) - that will give you around 5.0Kwh on a completely cloudless day mid summer in San Diego (after charge losses) so that would require around 8 miles per kwh usage / 125 Wh/mile so 40miles is conceivable in ideal conditions.
A 700w array will provide on average 50%-60% of the peak theoretical output as an average annually in a dry climate like San Diego factoring reduced sunlight hours in winter and cloudy / rainy days. You're looking at 2.5 to 3.0 Kwh supplied average year round. = 910 to 1100 Kwh total - 11,000 miles would obviously require 100Wh/mi in all conditions, if it could acheive this average it's possible in ideal conditons.
With a 700w array the most it will produce is 5kwh charge to the battery mid summer in San Diego on a cloudless day 40mi/5kwh = 8mi per kwh - feasible.
11,000 miles is a stretch - allowing for winter and cloudy days it will produce 920-1100kwh in a dry year in San Diego - the car would need to consume 100Wh/mi in all conditions - seems pretty low but possible for such a small car.
@bobhilder1469 HI Bob. You have mentioned a solar setup that you have not performing that well. Can you tell me how many what's it is and and at least the state that use in ?
love the execution! still worried about the in-wheel motor...
If you are used to driving cars with integral wheels, how can you adjust to the much greater width?
You should replace Review with Preview
Great recommendation tbh, more accurate this way
ICH WILL AUCH EINEN HABEN
No question: this is my next car. And I'm a dedicated motorcyclist.
Hell yeah! What do you ride?
It looks so sleek and unique. Hopefully they'll make it a LOT quieter, 68db at 35mph means at 70mph it's gonna be loud enough not to be able to have a normal conversation.
Yeah, I agree. During our testing, the Tesla was achieving 68/69 db @ 80mph for comparison. Once Aptera adds noise insulation, I'm sure it will be an easy fix.
I suspect that the super low drag will mean that the noise will increase with speed much more slowly than we are used to.
My only concern about this is it doesn't take too much of an accident to totally sever the wheel from the body.
According to Chatgpt, 1000 mile range of an Aptera is achieved only if you go 20 mph. You get 300 mile range when you travel at 70 mph. Say it ain't so
how much energy does Chatgpt use? Does it have a self-destruct function to save life on Earth? AI could care less. Also ask Chatgpt about the Aerosol Masking Effect being twice as bad as previously thought. Then Ask ChatGPT about the world's largest ocean shelf having 1200 gigatons of pressurized methane - the ESAS. Chatgpt is an idiot.
Chatgpt is not a valid source for information. It constantly lies
At the end of the year, they will be in production. Plus with the 1000 mile battery and 40 miles per day on solar, this is a game changer.
The 1000 mile battery, if delivered on, will be such an achievement!!
@@AIAddict - End of year is when they start delivering.
That’s what they said end of 21…then 22…now 23…. Lol😂
@@myaccount__7269 - They guaranteed it. So it will happen.
@@billsmith5960
From Chris Anthony in the last EVA show:”the first PI shells will be delivered in a couple of months”, I take it the end of March or beginning of April.
There are 16 PI vehicles to be built and tested. Test procedures, test rigs, test instruments, test data acquisition and analysis would take quite a long time for 16 PI vehicles. And when a test is failed, a retest must be done.
The probability that Aptera can deliver first car in 2024 is quite low in my opinion.
What type of battery does it use?
At $25k new, a used Tesla will be its price competition.
2:47 will the control panel be all touch-based UI like shown 😢 or will there be any physical controls in final too??
I think it'll all be on the screen, except for the volume on the yoke. Far from ideal, but absolutely worth it; they don't hate customers and will probably do the best they can with it.
If real buttons can be modded in - which I think is possible in the future (given their eagerness to allow people to change up the center console) - that would be great
@@-NGC-6302- There are Forward, Reverse, Neutral, and Park physical buttons below the infotainment screen/HVAC. In case the screen malfunctions. There are also emergency pull handles on the floor to pop the doors.
@@barnabasseadog7660 Plus, by law, a physical emergency flashers button.
@@-NGC-6302- "I think it'll all be on the screen, except for the volume on the yoke.": That is incorrect. It is just not show in the video.
What is the turing circle
Need a scratch resistance test.
does the thing have airbags or would you die instantly anyway if it crashes or someone crashes into you?
The production version will have airbags
What's the "crush" strength of composite when a Good Ole Boy drives over you?
Will it have sentry?
Great question, it did not appear to have such a feature while I was testing.
@@AIAddict I feel like it would be a great addition if not
@@heidihomze8032 couldnt agree more! With the dash camera, rear and side camera I don’t see why they couldn’t activate this as an OTA update
The claim a person can drive 1000 miles on a full charge. Has that been tested?
That's more than three times the distance of other Electric Vehicles.
"The claim a person can drive 1000 miles on a full charge. Has that been tested?
That's more than three times the distance of other Electric Vehicles.": Those other vehicles are 2 times as heavy and have a much higher drag coefficient.
Uhh, most carbon parts are not woven into shape. They take sheets of fabric and put them into a mold.
Actually, the carbon fiber in the Aptera is a clay or paste like lump from Mitsubishi Chemical that is placed in the mold and pressed. It is not woven fabric.
Just based on automobile sales history, it is safe to say both the cyber truck and this car have low potential in terms of public acceptance. Every new model ever produced that departed significantly from the "asthetic norm' of the day has failed over time regardless of how many new and improved technical innovations were incorporated. I can think of no exceptions. However, these visually-unique models usually attract a small segment of buyers interested in the "look at me" aspect.
"Every new model ever produced that departed significantly from the "asthetic norm' of the day has failed over time regardless of how many new and improved technical innovations were incorporated.": The current cars don't look much like the Ford Model T (or the cars before that) which was at some point the car you saw the most on the roads (except that the Model T also had 4 wheels). Likewise, in the future, especially cars for 2..3 persons, might be looking very different from today's cars intended for 2 persons.
"... in the "look at me" aspect.": You are missing the point: the shape is dictated by having a low drag coefficient; not to be 'other' or 'new'.
The incorporated solar panels and tent add-on are pretty unique. Otherwise we’ve seen this same song and dance from Elio except they boasted an affordable vehicle as well. I can’t image this thing selling under $40k and that’s simply too expensive to be competitive.
Mine should go out the door in the low 30s. Your mileage may vary...
The 250 mile variant will be way lower than 40k, even lower if you option partial solar.
@@AaronVets How do you figure partial solar would be cheaper than no solar?
Your right, YOU CAN'T IMAGINE.
It's not capable of harvesting 40 miles per day. They've never provided any data to support that claim. I'd be surprised if it was 10 miles.
"It's not capable of harvesting 40 miles per day. They've never provided any data to support that claim. I'd be surprised if it was 10 miles.": 40 Miles _might_ be a bit a stretch, but only 10 miles is _definitely_ a stretch, if it is sunny weather. (Were I live, I would not have many months with 9 hours sun a day, so I wouldn't get the 40 files very often.) Because you are acustomed to low mileage numbers for other cars with solar panels, that doesn't mean that this car isn't way better than 10 miles per day. Those other numbers you are acustomed to, is for heavy cars (like Tesla) with much worse drag coefficient.
Your solar panels in the front are your bumper. So smart! And the solar panels look like a child glued them there. By the time they half bake this for a roll out if ever will be $50k++.
Wait - you’re old enough to have a driver’s license?
Aptera reservation holder and investor here. Aptera is like the vehicle version of fsd, always next year. I have no hope that I will ever see the vehicle that I have been waiting years for.
That’s been a common complaint in the community, I’ve had a Deposit down since early 2022. I thought I’d already be in one by now. Although, look at Tesla with the Cybertruck. Kinda similar boat, although I'm pretty sure Aptera's current moat is their current cash on hand. They need a lot more to hit production this year.
If they can get models in customer hands by 2025 then all power to them. However, if that comes and passes, I’m sure the climate and patience’s of owners may run dry as you mention. I'm hopefully they can do it. They have the right attitude, it all depends on if the venture capital will follow with it IMO.
@@AIAddict made my 10k investment and reservation summer of ‘21. I have rather significant health issues now. If I do buy an ev it may very well be the vw microbus. Or should Toyota get get things going one of their ev products.
The high end investors have late 2024 estimates on their account web page as delivery for them. It assumes successful crash validation and final purchases of high volume manufacturing equipment and more funding.
@@madmotorcyclist wrong answer. It depends on which spec vehicle you have ordered. For me I ordered the 1k version. So with the revised production schedule, I’ll be waiting. For a while. A long while.
Too bad. You can’t control without looking now.
I wish this was a four seater, I hate Elon Musk, and I don't like the idea of an EV vehicle without a built in SOLAR option!
Every control button in touch screen is the worlds stupidest idea ever made.
I will say it can be frustrating, but if the UI is simple enough, it can be worth it as long as crucial buttons aren’t behind multiple presses like my Tesla at times.
It all comes down to design IMO.
I do like having the combination of physical buttons and touch screen on my Chevy Bolt. I feel the most inconvenient will be not having physical window buttons. What physical button do you think will be most annoying not having?
They applied what Sandy Munro told them to eliminate as many buttons as possible. There are manual buttons only for music volume and horn in steering wheel hub, and the drive modes (these are under the display).
In the end it’s all about cost savings. They can buy one screen and worry about all the on screen buttons and switches later.
Sounds like you're projecting
@@madmotorcyclistand also levers for the air vents.
This is the same prototype they've had for 5 years this is nothing but a scam
How is any car company that does not have autonomous capability in 2030 going to survive? At some point it might become illegal for humans to drive given the annual death toll of human drivers once autonomy is fully proven.
Aptera has chosen to incorporate OpenPilot by Comma.Ai for their Level 2 self driving features. It’s an added option during configuration. What’s your opinion on their choice to choose OpenPilot?
Illegal for humans to drive. Not in my lifetime. CommaAI and OpenPilot look very capable.
I wasn't going to spring for the option but after watching some videos of it I think I will add it.
Station wagon? Also what is the problem with door handles? You can see that the designers of this car don't understand winter
Do brands still manufacture station wagons in the states? I used to love them growing up.
The door handles are interesting. I kept opening doors / hatches by knocking on the car panels. I’m sure the vibration can be detected in ice? You might know more than me, I live in California.
You don't understand good engineering really
The 1000 mile range version is not existent. Same with a production prototype . You drove an early prototype that has nearly nothing to do with the intended production vehicle.
And there are no data available about the real efficiency of the solar.
Vic is full of B.S. and has no credibility here.
@@DemaGeek is full of B.S. and has no credibility here.
@@DemaGeek Or anywhere.
@@tims8603 I agree, he has worn out his welcome, and it's time to call it what it is.
@@DemaGeek I've had several discussions with him. He's just a troll so it goes nowhere. Much like the Aussie guy who admits to being a troll and says he wears the title as a badge of honor, actually honour because he's Australian and they spell funny. I asked vic if he would admit to being a troll. Crickets. I usually just ignore them but, once in awhile, I get annoyed by them and strike back. It's like boxing with the wind because they'll never stop. They get some kind of cheap thrill out of it. It's probably a mental disorder that would require treatment.
Your never gonna get it, never get it. Never gonna get it…
Absolutely no way can aptera justify giving it a "1000 mile" range. No EV has ever gotten anywhere close to that. And if they do, it certainly wouldn't be anywhere near the $30K price point aptera is estimating. Not to mention the company has went bankrupt before. This is just the Elio motors of EVS.
The $32k price figure is for the 400 mile version. The 1000 mile version will certainly cost much more if achieved.
@@AIAddict ...alright, find me a new EV with a VERIFIED 400 mile range for between $30K and $40K without tax credits I can walk my leaf owning ass to the dealership and get today. It's not happening.
@@roswellgrey5746 It's clearly designed VERY different than most cars to be extremely lightweight and has solar panels on it. The range likely will be more in the 280 range if you add some extra weight in cargo to it.
@@roswellgrey5746The stated range us based on the EPA highway cycle which is calculated for relatively slow speed.
"Absolutely no way can aptera justify giving it a "1000 mile" range. No EV has ever gotten anywhere close to that. And if they do, it certainly wouldn't be anywhere near the $30K price point aptera is estimating.": No EV has ever had the same low drag coefficient and the same low weight! So you are comparing oranges with pears. And about the $30k price tag for the '1000 mile version': you are correct, it will be closer to $40k. I think 1000 miles are only possible for people who drive slow/conservative. But batteries become better, it won't be very long before most with a '1200 miles version' really can get 1000 miles. Have you ever checked the manufacturer claims of ICE cars? It is rare to see real world fuel consumption numbers _there_.
You should replace review with ‘scam’
"You should replace review with ‘scam’": You should replace yourself.
SCAM SCAM SCAM. DO not give these scammers ANY MONEY
There is no need to give them anything. Just wait until they are in production.
Everything about the car looks really great and practical. Except the yoke and the goddamn touchscreen shifter. It is beyond me why any car company would do this
Yeah, it’s a bit cumbersome, however every physical button they remove, helps reduce the overall cost
The current design has shift selector buttons below the screen.
@@lectricbill3329 "The current design has shift selector buttons below the screen.": Still, there is a (big) flaw with the current design: the screen should _not_ be glossy, but matte.