That is why I have never been an "early adopter". I never buy anything on its initial issue, especially vehicles. I'd bet good money that in a couple years time they will have 99% of that sorted out. But I'm glad somebody did it. Thank you for taking the risk and I'm sorry it didn't work out for you. I genuinely hope that the Grenadier becomes a real success. Cheers.
If the car is not for you then that’s absolutely fine , I totally get it , I canceled my order as even though DVLA treat this vehicle as a commercial ,HMRC don’t so no vat reclaim for business users . Big own goal on ineos part .
The problem is simply the price. Its a £40,000 car thats being sold for £70,000 but it doesnt have the attention to detail that you expect for cars over £50,000
Id say some of your reasons are home goals and trying to blame ineos for them is a little bit of cope, the weight and speed restrictions have always been there and as for the insurance im guessing you must have had it on collection. Build quality wise, its the first production run for a brand new vehicle, its bound to happen and should he addressed by ineos under warranty. However your very last statement in the video was "wait for the pickup or the electric version" if you think its heavy now wait for the electric version, vehicles like this were never designed to be electric.
In 1992 I had an 11 seat Defender and had to register it as a Bus! MoT every twelve months, service every 3000 miles. On the upside, I used Bus lanes when travelling in Cities, especially London
It surprising how many people are unaware , including van drivers , of the slower LCV speeds allowed on UK roads. It also applies to N1 Pick up trucks . Its not enforced by the Police very much and how could one tell with say a discovery van as it has side windows . Interesting that the fit and finish is below par.
You made some good points here, which I didn't know or realise (not having seriously considered this vehicle, also having had a Defender 200TDi CSW). Certainly things that SHOULD have been mentioned to you prior to purchasing. Much appreciated, valid commentary!
Interesting video. I’ve been an early adopter in the past and inevitably there are issues. I’ve decided to sit this one out for a while as I’m very happy with my Defender 110 First Edition but I might request a test drive out of curiosity.
Thanks for the honest end user review. Every bit of info is good for those in the market for one. The glue showing etc is a bit like the defender finish quality, even so I’ve had three of those from new and still would get another if available. Not keen on the hairdresser edition jlr have brought out.
Really appreciated your candour and honest review, rare to see as on RUclips I keep finding a harsh mix of either old school Land Rover purists or ineos reviewers who seem to have been paid to only say good things. I am going to wait for them to fix their product production. Thank you for being an early adapter. Without more people like you products would never be improved and progress wouldn’t happen.
Frankly the lack of stop/start would be a bonus for me. It’s very interesting that the glasses station wagon is classed as a commercial vehicle by the DVLA. That’s the first time I’ve heard that one. I actually ordered a commercial version with the decreased rear legroom and steel panels at the back which Ineos claim is “certified as a commercial vehicle”. As with the above model, it certainly is with the DVLA but, crucially, not with HMRC for tax purposes. So no possibility of reclaiming the VAT or tax relief as a cost against a business. That means zero cost advantage over the glass version. Needless to say I cancelled the order and had a lucky escape. Just had delivery of a Ford Ranger Wildtrak which has lovely steering in all conditions, brilliant technology and performance, a quality finish and great performance from its 2.0 twin turbo engine and 10 speed auto. A new full time 4wd mode for on-road use along with an amazing technology pack and very quiet interior. Nice comfortable ride, although naturally on the firm side. No issue with insurance and as an additional vehicle and introductory no-claims discount from the NFU bring it in under £500 per year. On top of which, due to the VAT situation with Granadier, a full £25,000 saving on purchase price. Very very disappointed by Grenadier and their deceptive marketing.
That is why I have never been an "early adopter". I never buy anything on its initial issue, especially vehicles. I'd bet good money that in a couple years time they will have 99% of that sorted out. But I'm glad somebody did it. Thank you for taking the risk and I'm sorry it didn't work out for you. I genuinely hope that the Grenadier becomes a real success. Cheers.
Should of brought a Subaru Forester
Everyone has their own reasons. Doesn’t seem you did your own research to figure out if the commercial version met your needs. A lesson to others.
If the car is not for you then that’s absolutely fine , I totally get it , I canceled my order as even though DVLA treat this vehicle as a commercial ,HMRC don’t so no vat reclaim for business users . Big own goal on ineos part .
The problem is simply the price. Its a £40,000 car thats being sold for £70,000 but it doesnt have the attention to detail that you expect for cars over £50,000
Id say some of your reasons are home goals and trying to blame ineos for them is a little bit of cope, the weight and speed restrictions have always been there and as for the insurance im guessing you must have had it on collection. Build quality wise, its the first production run for a brand new vehicle, its bound to happen and should he addressed by ineos under warranty. However your very last statement in the video was "wait for the pickup or the electric version" if you think its heavy now wait for the electric version, vehicles like this were never designed to be electric.
In 1992 I had an 11 seat Defender and had to register it as a Bus! MoT every twelve months, service every 3000 miles. On the upside, I used Bus lanes when travelling in Cities, especially London
One word . French,
It surprising how many people are unaware , including van drivers , of the slower LCV speeds allowed on UK roads. It also applies to N1 Pick up trucks . Its not enforced by the Police very much and how could one tell with say a discovery van as it has side windows . Interesting that the fit and finish is below par.
You should always know what you’re buying when it comes to cars. So many people buy vehicles without know what they really are and understanding them.
A much appreciated the honest view. I was about to order one but will observe those points with caution. Thanks
I have a Ineos reservation as well. I plan on transferring my deposit towards the pickup truck version once production starts.
Thank you.
You made some good points here, which I didn't know or realise (not having seriously considered this vehicle, also having had a Defender 200TDi CSW). Certainly things that SHOULD have been mentioned to you prior to purchasing. Much appreciated, valid commentary!
Thanks very much mate, a very fair review!
Interesting video. I’ve been an early adopter in the past and inevitably there are issues. I’ve decided to sit this one out for a while as I’m very happy with my Defender 110 First Edition but I might request a test drive out of curiosity.
Thanks for the honest end user review. Every bit of info is good for those in the market for one. The glue showing etc is a bit like the defender finish quality, even so I’ve had three of those from new and still would get another if available. Not keen on the hairdresser edition jlr have brought out.
Really appreciated your candour and honest review, rare to see as on RUclips I keep finding a harsh mix of either old school Land Rover purists or ineos reviewers who seem to have been paid to only say good things. I am going to wait for them to fix their product production. Thank you for being an early adapter. Without more people like you products would never be improved and progress wouldn’t happen.
Thanks for your thoughts on this.
Frankly the lack of stop/start would be a bonus for me. It’s very interesting that the glasses station wagon is classed as a commercial vehicle by the DVLA. That’s the first time I’ve heard that one. I actually ordered a commercial version with the decreased rear legroom and steel panels at the back which Ineos claim is “certified as a commercial vehicle”. As with the above model, it certainly is with the DVLA but, crucially, not with HMRC for tax purposes. So no possibility of reclaiming the VAT or tax relief as a cost against a business. That means zero cost advantage over the glass version. Needless to say I cancelled the order and had a lucky escape. Just had delivery of a Ford Ranger Wildtrak which has lovely steering in all conditions, brilliant technology and performance, a quality finish and great performance from its 2.0 twin turbo engine and 10 speed auto. A new full time 4wd mode for on-road use along with an amazing technology pack and very quiet interior. Nice comfortable ride, although naturally on the firm side. No issue with insurance and as an additional vehicle and introductory no-claims discount from the NFU bring it in under £500 per year. On top of which, due to the VAT situation with Granadier, a full £25,000 saving on purchase price. Very very disappointed by Grenadier and their deceptive marketing.