What Happened to Tim Keller?
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Translation: nothing much *happened to* Keller, except that he's being exposed for what he's apparently always *been.*
What has he always been? I have not listened to this video yet. Thank you.
@@cat-bg3rvsame here. But apparently a compromiser. He has SJW ideas mixed with the gospel
@@QuietlyContemplating lol that's good 💯
Methodist like Hillary Clinton, since he grew up in Methodist church.
God knows ALL who belong to HIM. But it’s still sad that Methodists don’t talk about the Holy Spirit doing the change in HIS people; they continue to think it’s a “method” that will change behavior.
"Tim & the Tone Police" is the proper name of TGC.
This started long before the counter-culture movement of the 1960’s or 19th century liberalism. It started in Genesis Ch. 3. The first words out of Satan’s mouth began, “Did God actually say......?” A direct challenge to God’s word. Then a little later he says, “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil”. Satan has never changed his playbook; a challenge to God’s word and a play on human pride and a desire to be God. Satan has presented it in different packaging throughout the ages but his challenge to God’s word and authority has remained consistent.
Ghostwriter: EXCELLENT POINT.
Tim Keller never gave up his BC ideology! He should not tell us how much we should give to the poor. We know we must give to the poor without his instructing us!
Marxism is one hell of a drug
Amen
Yep, this is pure heresy.
I kind of view and think of Marxism the same way I do with Liberalism...it's a mental disorder 💯
He says “the church cannot align itself with the secular left or right“ yet all that he teaches is aligned with the Marxist left which is the secular left.
Really, his real problem that he really despises and speaks about all the time is the fact that he doesn’t like the right that speaks against his Marxist thought coming into prominence in the Evangelical community, which it has since the 1980s.
He sold out completely to the Marxist thought, and then points the finger at people of disagreed and calls them the secularist right when in reality people disagrees Marxism are lining up with Christianity because Christianity is the anti-Marks teaching that Marx sought to overthrow by his trying to rearrange the way that society saw the world.
The guy is a clown and a fool for falling down that path, and I see no reason why anybody views him as a legitimate Christian when he’s following this darkness and promoting it to others, which will bring destruction not only to the faith of people, but the very nation in which he’s allowed to exist and the prosperity that he’s allowed to have, creating a Marxist elite in society that has credibility in the site of all these liberal preachers
He is a sellout to Satan’s agenda parading as a Christian.
Liberation theology is Satan’s plan for subverting the truth.
Nothing he teaches is sound doctrine.
Liberation theology makes the same mistake as prosperity gospel: Man's primary need is things, not God.
Well done documentary. Unsettling, but well researched. I was shocked that Salvation of the Soul would be given a back seat by this ideology.
The 'world's' goal is to neutralize the Gosple any way it can. Social justice sounds good but it's not as important as regenerating a spiritually dead man.
So, it is not what happened to Tim Keller, but rather why did it take us so long to figure out he was a wolf.
He hid it well. Now everything and everyone against the truth & gospel has been exposed. 2020 was a year of clarity.PTL for His grace and mercy.
This is exactly what I was thinking!
Big Eva is one reason-that club of king makers, book endorsers, and conference icons. TGC is one example. This is why confessionally-Reformed churches need to have total subscription to the confessions. Until we figure that out, we will continue to have Tim Keller’s. We have all we need in the scriptures, confessions, and local church. Dump Tim Keller and focus on the ordinary means of grace-your pastor’s preaching of the word, and the administration of the sacraments.
Stick to Martyn lloyd Jones. Mljtrust.org
Since Keller believes he is privileged because of his skin then he needs to resign and cede his pastoral position to an African American. He never will of course- like most leftists he likes to talk about it but never do anything about it
Privilege doesn't mean you need to give something up. Would it help to think of it as being advantaged? Surely you wouldn't argue that people born in developed countries are more advantaged from the start than people born in impoverished countries. Privilege doesn't mean that you have had an easy time; it just means that a particular quality is not something you've struggled or been mistreated based on. So white privilege doesn't mean you've had an easy life; it just means that's not something you been mistreated based on. There is a plethora of things that can be either an advantage or disadvantage to you. Looking at all the factors together is what "intersectional" means. So it would be intersectional to understand that a wealthy black person with a good education and good health is likely to be better off than a disabled, uneducated white person who was born in impoverished appalachia. At the same time, that white person has probably not experienced racist discrimination while it is likely the black person has. The goal is not "oppression olympics" but understanding different factors that prevent everyone having a fair go at life. Playing your cards badly will still make you lose the game, but we want to make sure the deck is shuffled well so everyone has a fair chance.
Fwiw, I have tons of problems with CRT but I do see the issues it purports to address and understand why so many want something to help with those. As Christians, we are uniquely qualified to help since we have Christ within us. So we should be speaking out and offering solutions rather than just criticising faulty solutions like CRT.
What Tim Keller is doing in the NYC parish he planted is not stated. Looks like that would be content in another video.
Here is an article about Keller's Redeemer Church in NYC.
www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/life-and-times-of-redeemer-presbyterian-church/
@@tayh.6235 Privelege can mean you need to give something up. If you have something that doesnt belong to you, you need to give it up. That is the essence of the argument about reparations which Keller supports. Keller has stated very clearly that he believes white people receive certain unfair advantages in the evagelical world-the problem is systemic according to Keller. Well, if you want to change the system and if you believe you have somehting that you unfarily obtained then give it up. Its actually quite simple. check out what he says in this video (start at 10:00) about the systemic problems in evagelicalism (ruclips.net/video/zohRZjxwsss/видео.html).
@@tayh.6235 As a white male, I have experienced racism by blacks multiple times. I have also been blessed to have wonderful black people in my life. Any race can be racist and experience racism. Privilege can be experienced by anyone. Many people have what I don't have, but it would be a sin to put them down for it or blame them for my lack. We need to be thankful for what we have, forgive others for wrong, and help those in need. None of these should be based on my color or theirs.
He did, he did step down, you go run it..
If Jesus came to fix social issues then he failed miserably. He is our example. We don’t see Jesus or his apostles being revolutionaries and trying to fix perceived social ills. They preached Christ crucified for the sin of ALL MEN that would put their faith in him. That’s the most unifying message of all. We are all on level playing fields. Sin does not affect only those who are “privileged”.
Amen!!
Agreed, Jesus was kinda talking about our spiritual well-being, not geo-politics.
Amen!
So well put.
Amen!!
Progressive evangelicalism equals not evangelicalism.
BINGO!!
Progressive evangelicalism equals avangelicalism.
Pseudovangelicalism
Since when are we called to be evangelicals?
@@faithhouse6111 not called to be Marxist certainly.
"You must each decide in your heart how much to give. And don’t give reluctantly or in response to pressure. “For God loves a person who gives cheerfully.”" 2 Corinthians 9:7 (NLT)
This is horribly depressing. Keller was incredibly helpful to me during a season of doubt in my faith. There was a time that I listened to him every day. Only recently have I said to myself, "Man, what happened to Keller?" Now I know this was who he was all along. Thankfully God makes straight lines with crooked sticks.
I don't think you need to agree with every position of any particular preacher to be ministered to by him. If Keller was "incredibly helpful", isn't that enough? Is there any preacher with whom you agree 100%?
The only thing that happened to Keller is with so much exposure the real Keller has been revealed.
Francis Schaeffer was much better. Not the son of Francis! The dad.:-)
I don't think many christians have a problem with this view necessarily. But there's a difference between how the words "social justice" are applied and what they imply. Also there's a difference between providing "social justice" yourself, out of love for God and people, vs. the government forcefully doing it on your behalf and doing it horrendously, unjustly, corruptly and wastefully.
But why is it called "social justice" anyway? Is this a term Christians should use in order to love those around them? Love and truth go together. The truth of Yahweh's Word. I believe it takes more than love to reach people. It takes the truth of the Gospel and the full written Word both Old and New Testaments. The Holy Spirit convicts hearts. We can only do so much. It becomes a works based faith if we feel that we have to work on the love part so much that we gain nothing. I realize that faith without works is dead. Discipleship. Discipline. Endurance. Lifestyle. These are examples that people look for, they see how you live. So, what is social justice? We should not use political terms that support an agenda or narrative to confuse people.
Wow I didn't realize how bad he is. He's managed to cleverly squeeze his way into conservative and reformed circles, but he is a wolf. Keller cares more about creating his own version of Christianity more in line with his love of the world, all in the disguise of Christian compassion for the poor and suffering. That's how he can sneak in ideas of evil twisted men like Marx and Foucault who hated the God of Scripture. After watching this, I don't know how anyone can give him a platform or buy his works. This is really scary.
Personally, Keller has been one of my spiritual heroes. Growing up in Sweden where the church is marginal (and in large portions theologically liberal) he has helped deepen my understanding of the gospel in ways I am eternally grateful for. Understanding that the depth of my sin, the richness of God's grace and the centrality of the gospel in every area of life has been helpful to say the least. I have not found any other preacher which so clearly am able to speak to the heart and tear down whatever walls of pride or unbelief resides in there.
Being politically aligned more to the right as I am (whether its Swedish or American politics) I have however never been led to believe that the left is somehow a superior position to take. Rather Keller has warned time and time again what political ideas (just as the ideas of other worldviews - whether political, religious or philosophical), lacking the gospel as they do, can do to harm. His way of challenging both sides of the political spectrum with a gospel which does not fit any current political ideologies makes a whole lot more sense both of the biblical accounts. I still lean towards the right, but with Keller's help I find the gospel itself much more attractive than any political alignment. If anything he is seeking a gospel-centered way of talking about politics, which of course does not fit what this world's philosophies can conjure.
Am I the end result you worry of when claiming Keller is a false teacher (or at the very least compromised)? I read his books, listen to many of his sermons and talks and live in a country where what you call "leftism" and "liberal theology" is a lot more common than in the U.S. and still find myself critical of these ideas rather than impressed by them with the help of Keller.
I think William Burns (comment below yours) addresses some of your question.
@@tophermike99 What does he mean by "the letting the receipts sort of speak for themselves"? English is not my first language... :-)
You ask a serious question. One reason the apostate can gain ground is to point out our failures. Never to speak of the good things done in the community or simply with our family and friends. Raising our children in the knowledge of God, helping our neighbor, loving our fellow man. Talking to strangers about God, meeting the need of the stranger. No. The Tim Keller’s of this world will divide people and hate will grow! The past few years in the US has born the fruit of this critical/ liberation / Marxist/ regressive/etal, .. To God be the glory as He continues to show us our ways are not His ways, thru His only begotten Son, our Savior Christ Jesus, amen.
@@joefarren7251 I am not sure what you are referring to in regards to the apostate. Do you imply Keller is an apostate who does not speak of the good done by the Christian church?
I agree with you that Marxism and certain other ideologies are harmful, but I fail to see the connection between these ideologies and Keller. On the other hand, I believe a lot more harm is done to the church by merging right-wing politics with orthodox Christianity.
Yes, to God be the glory! But surely God is not glorified when one of his servants, while enduring a very lethal form a cancer, is being attacked from his own kin.
@@christofferlindberg2287 that is exactly what he is implying, Christopher. You’re humble posture is a healthy one, and you’d do well to ignore toxic folks like Joe above, who walk around declaring godly men to be “apostate.” I hope being in Sweden means you don’t have interact with these types of judgmental Christians, but rather enjoy an environment of cherishing and uplifting those fellow believers around you. American evangelicalism is terribly toxic and I mourn that. God bless you as you hold to your confession and grow in the grace of our Lord! (And please, keep listening and learning from men and women who are like Tim!)
I just have to say how refreshing this video was, for giving the facts/story, without personal commentary on how wrong or right things were. It's very powerful when viewers are given 2 + 2, instead of 4. Very well researched and put together!
Yes, observe and one will know them by their fruit
It was researched well and the items selected to be included screamed as loud and those items not included. It gave a biased slanted view of Tim, which I found informative and did not change my positive view of the man.
@@lchampag all one has to do is open a Bible and compare what Keller says. Humanist and liberal Christians will always choose the world and not Jesus Christ when pushed far enough.
Grace to you, "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple." Romans 16:17-18. ....."without person commentary on how wrong or right things were." .....Does your statement line up with scripture though? Tim Keller is a false teacher. A marxist one, a registered democrat as well. Avoid him by the grace of Jesus Christ.
@@jonahdav9589 Thank you. I wrote that a year ago, and today I can not hear or read anything by him. I hate that my reverend likes TGC -- I'm wary about his lack of discernment on this matter.
His first bad idea and the false premise on which he built his entire house is starting with the assumption that whatever his heart felt toward a given topic had any bearing on what the gospel actually is. We conform to the truth not the other way around.
a position paper was written entitled "The Social Gospel." It said something about Christians having to become involved in the issues of the day and making Christ relevant in those issues.
Immediately, that position paper produced a dichotomy. On one hand there were those who said, "No, we are not called to be involved in social issues; we are called to preach the gospel." On the other hand, another group said, "No, our position is to feed hungry people, feed empty bellies, put clothes on people's backs." And the more the fundamentalists said, "Preach the gospel," the more the liberals said, "Feed people." And the more the liberals said, "Feed people," the more the fundamentalists said, "Preach the gospel."
The problem was that both positions were wrong. Both were extremes.
Nothing happened to Keller that J. Gresham Machen didn't describe in his work Christianity and Liberalism.
JUST WOW! I just finished that book on Sunday of last week. Your statement is so true. Its sad to see all that he wrote that long ago coming to pass in front of our eyes.
Syncretism at its finest and most deceptive... 😔
Thanks for posting this. I came to faith through the ministry of InterVarsity and even served for 8 years with them as a campus minister. Tim Keller was often spoken of like a hero and model and his books were widely read and recommended to students. It wasn’t until the past year that I started to realize how compromised InterVarsity was with secular and leftist ideas. And so I’ve been spending much time unlearning and casting away false teachings that I’ve picked up from them.
I hear you. And I was only an IVCF member for my stay in college. A number of former IVCF people I knew and fellowshipped with have gone south in a number of ways. At the very least, IVCF didn't prepare them for the onslaught of false thoughts. At the worst, they were part of the problem.
So true
Wow I’m on intervarsity RN! My boyfriend is the president and we speak about this often. It would be interesting to see a video on intervarsity and when it spiraled if it ever was legit. I would love to do the research for that myself as well. It would be great if we could get together to talk about that I think.
@@karied6175 I was in IVCF in the 90s. That may depend on the campus vs at the national level. I do know a lot of people that I knew from IVCF went soft on the gay marriage issue and one even became gay and got married.
That said, there was an emphasis on helping the poor, etc. And that was great. But we also did evangelistic events. In retrospect, all the help the poor Ron Sider type stuff became a gateway to compromise.
@@aGoyforJesus thanks for your response! I definitely see that. It’s very intentionally “inclusive” now and aims at sugar coating the gospel which is not preaching the gospel at all. I was very misled, which caused some mental distress. thankfully the Lord has pulled me out darkness.
The problem is not indoctrination at the college level. It is lack of doctrine in our homes. If our youth were filled with good doctrine when they went out into the world, they would be able to push back and win others for Christ, rather than fold in the wind.
So as a registered Democrat I gather he votes primarily democrat which means although he may say abortion is wrong he actually agrees with the pro abortion side. “Many will say to ME, LORD LORD, did I not.......
It does not mean he is actually pro abortion.. If he takes scripture seriously, he knows that the second most covered subject in the Bible is social justice: caring for the least of these. About abortion or homosexuality the Bible is virtually silent compared to God's rage directed at the rich and the powerful, including the religious rich and powerful, for separating worship and justice. All the prophetic books of the Bible deal with this as does Jesus Himself. I am not pro abortion, but we live in an imperfect world. We are horrible to the poor and then refuse to take responsibility for caring for the poor. The last time I checked, it is poor women who have abortions more often than middle class or upper class women.
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@@gomomma6649 social justice from the secular world would not be the same as from scripture.
Thank you so much for this! This helps explain SOOOO much about some friends (and a former pastor whose church we just left) who were really big Kellerites. Some of their views just didn’t make sense to us-until now.
Thank you!
“Conn believed the problem with most evangelicals was they gave the salvation of souls top priority and the concern for social justice only secondary and derived importance”
WOW, seems like he has no understanding of what man’s real problem is. “What shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world and lose his soul?”
Conn also utterly ignored the charitable Christian societies and individual Christian charitable acts prior to the state taking over the individual's call to practice charity as a part of their personal obedience and God's sanctifying pruning of every true follower of Christ, indwelt by the Holy Spirit. I've been blessed by many of his sermons that bore no social gospel rhetoric, but I've stopped listening to him altogether since learning of his political syncrytism with the true gospel.
@@rebalspirit I learned contextualzation from Harvie Conn in the mid ‘70’s. This is a misrepresentation of his work. His remarkable success in Korea and the huge Presbyterian church in Korea is an example of his philosophy and praxis in the gospel. This entire video is full of half-truths and misrepresentations. If the makers of this video raised it in Presbytery, they’d be brought up on charges of slander. How is this to be seen in Christian charity in the face of his imminent death?
@@acejackson5527 I feel the charges in this video are false. The PCA church I grew up in however has made simular charges, and I intend to take them to Presbytery. If you have information I could use and are willing to help, please contact me.
@@davidparker8221 I may be reached at harthogan@hotmail.com.
@@davidparker8221 😄🙃🤦♂️
So now I see JD Greear’s way of thinking as well. He called Tim Keller “Uncle Tim”. And he, along with many young evangelicals created working groups “in the city” for “oppressed” people & refugees. I never saw a problem until I saw how little they wanted to invest in children & youth at the church plus Bible studies that made you feel guilty about not doing more for the gospel. While I believe we have an obligation to take the gospel to the world. Our pastors & teachers should be shepherding the flock...they were more interested in planting another church or sending out missionaries trained under their leadership. I always felt challenged even though I served “religiously “ but never blessed. I saw many marriages broken because there was not good counseling available. Truly made me weary to be a part of this church.
"Do good to all men but especially to the house of God!" Gal 6:10 This is our family's focus. We want to care for the church first, take the gospel with us no matter where we go, and help those who are in need whenever we can.
Thank you so much!!!
I knew TGC and Tim Keller bothered me greatly. I hear so many pastors who us their stuff.
Tim Keller’s views and many at TGC’s views now makes so much sense.
Thank you for putting this out.
I found a church thru the gospel collation. It upset me when the pastor attacked my views as being Christian Nationalism. He attacked Franklin Graham by saying he is losing authority by backing Trump.
Since Keller founded the gospel collation everything is making more sense to me now.
Reading Keller’s books you never realize how he lands on these issues. Many great comments here by the way!
I went to a church where the Pastor was heavily influenced by Tim Keller and ended up promoting pro LGBTQ+ stuff and social justice stuff so we left. Thanks to this video, now I understand why the church's slogan was "for our city".
Good, when your own children turn that way, leave them too
Did Kelley really promote that?
Social justice IS secondary to the salvation of souls.
Amen
Social justice is an alternate gospel that opposes justice in truth.
If you make life too easy for your children, what will your children be like? God expects to make us more on the day we see him than we were when we were born. He wants us to grow up and that means that we have to make and learn from our mistakes.
I agree, although I still think social justice is important. But it’s a side issue, not the Gospel itself.
Social justice is a cancerous ideology that replaces excellence with mediocrity, and demands that equality replace freedom. Forced equality is the end of freedom.
@@carolinagirl4759 I would argue that social justice 'throws out the baby and keeps the bathwater.' It does not rise to mediocrity. As a matter of experience we can all reach the bottom but only a few of us can reach the top.
I first heard of Keller when a suitemate had _The Reason for God_ in the room, which I briefly perused. His weaksauce big-bang-proves-the-Bible cosmology (which William Lane Craig also pushes) is the first red flag. As with women preachers, these things are so explicit that even if they're "non-essentials," if you compromise and deny what the Word so clearly teaches, you are not submitting to God's Word and you will either one day repent of your compromise or fall away from the truth. The dissonance cannot continue forever. Someone who believes in evolution is ultimately not a trustworthy teacher.
@QuietlyContemplating Yes, amen!!
"Honkiefied" way of preaching the Gospel? Just wow.
What does that even mean? It reminds me of the people who claimed that Christianity was “the white man’s religion.” Therefore all the blacks needed to convert to Islam. 🙄 Little did they know that their prophet was whiter than Jesus and, unlike Christ, owned black slaves and called them raisin heads. Oh if Muhammad Ali only knew how he had been deceived.🤦🏻♀️
That’s exactly what I thought too... Wow.
When I first heard a preacher speak from Keller's bk the Prodigal Son..I felt uneasy about it.
Sometime later I read a respectful critique of his positions on Christian doctrines entitled 'Engaging with Keller'.
A most helpful bk. I think the Publisher is Banner of Truth.
Thankyou for your presentation.
We must be Berean with a humble heart.
The Prodigal God: Recovering the Heart of the Christian Faith (Dutton Adult, November 2008) ISBN 0-525-95079-6
He never changed. Wow!
He was never one of us...
How far is too far? I have wondered if he's outside the faith, but I'm not sure what the line is. I know James White said Tim is "this close" to apostasy. It's rather confusing.
@@lilacDaisy111
By marrying marxism with Christianity, I believe that alone takes Keller into heretical territory. Jesus didn't come to eliminate inequality. Jesus said "the poor you will always have but you will not always have me". The point of Christianity isn't equality. The addition of that mandate of a need to create equality with Christianity creates something other than Christianity.
Charity is a good thing, it is part of Christianity. Marxism is not charitable, it places demands on society and divides people into groups.
@@prayunceasingly2029 Thanks you, Pray. After writing the above I did think of the verse about if you preach another gospel, "which is really no gospel at all," you are accursed. I always thought accursed meant not saved, so I'll have to check and see if that's right. Some in my Bible class say that Judas may have been saved and that Jesus saying it was better for him if he had never been born relates to his regret. I don't see it that way, but it's an example of how I could be wrong on both accounts.
@End Times 2020 Well, Todd White is a clear cut case for me, especially since he's been caught lying, such as "I've never violated [the pure heart I was given upon salvation]." The Bible itself says anyone who says they do not sin is a liar (book of 1 John). but Tim has taught me a lot with his deeply Biblical preaching. It's hard to fathom someone who knows so much about the Bible being so far from God.
@@lilacDaisy111 not to stoke the fire, but I have a guy at church (not the pastor) whom I have the same thoughts... and then I remember, the devil too knows the Bible well. Remember Christ’s 40 days in the wilderness? When they know it well, it is that much easier for them to deceive the sheep. I pray for wisdom and discernment for all of God’s children. 🙏✝️💕
"Blessed are you when they insult you, and persecute you, and say all manner of lies about you for my sake. Rejoice and be glad for great is your reward in Heaven for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who came before you."
Unfortunately for the producers of this biased presentation, you are indeed speaking the truth.
This was very well made, but it does ignore a lot of what Keller preaches. I’m sure he was influenced by some people I disagree with, but the message he preaches is 100% traditional gospel.
Yeah, most of the comments here are just ridiculous
@@IcedColdCoke tragically, the Church is going through its own version of woke McCarthyism. If someone is preaching the gospel of grace through faith which leads to changed behavior, you are within orthodoxy. I don’t really care what you believe the political ramifications of that message is.
Keller is great on the Bible and has a great ability to show the way to reconcile society to the Lord through the need for the Good News. He is not so good regarding economics imho, even though he makes great attempts to present ideal results from the economy operating in a Judeo Christian Society. The formula for the results is where he misses the mark.
@@rrgirdler
He's a critical race theorist.
@@geekwithabible4477
A little leaven leavens the whole lump. If you mix a little Marxist thought with Christianity do you really have a traditional gospel?
On a side note, more youth today support communism than ever before due to left leaning teachers and professors. Even Obama went to a church with Marxist ideas promoted.
I need to go read my Bible now to cleanse my brain from the 38 minutes of man-made philosophy I just heard.
Exactly what I'm feeling 😅
Thanks for saying this. This whole channel is trash.
Extremely important to be conscious of man made philosophies. Paul understood this concept very well Indeed.
How much of Keller's wealth has HE given away? Or is it just WE are to give it away?
Exactly
The hermeneutical spiral. Wow. Literally twisting scripture.
Hermeneutical DEATH SPIRAL amirite? High five.
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@@thegoodnews753 probably Google
Be careful to seek the context of these terms, the hermeneutical spiral is a perfectly legitimate and orthodox explanation of how one ought to approach scripture. It has its origins in Vos, Silva and Van Til
@@cameronwitmer came here to say this. The hermeneutical spiral is a very orthodox evangelical way of looking at scripture. Look up Grant Osborne's "the hermeneutical spiral." Do better, guys.
Good work, Jon. I appreciate the updates. Good to have this in one video too.
This explains a lot. When the foundation is destroyed what shall the righteous do? Keller rejects the plain teaching of Genesis 1-11 and it's all downhill after that. :(
God gives us the Word in part because it gives us more ways besides the "essentials" to identify if someone is to be avoided. If you deny the clear meaning of the Word (old earth and female pastors are two of the most obvious examples) then you can't be said to believe the Bible, so why should you be trusted as a teacher?
@@horrificpleasantry9474 Amen!
Thanks for the video.
I must say that I've been greatly blessed by the ministry of Tim Keller. Of course he have some flaws and points I could disagree, but thanks God that I am called to hold on the good and reject the evil.
It is worth to mention that besides the people mentioned in this video he also has a Very Wide spectrum of "influencers" and by his preaching I have come to read more of reformers, lewis, whitefield, lloyd jones and others (and btw I have never think of reading a book of Marx by his influence).
Jesus is Lord
Of course social justice isn't the Gospel, but demonstrating justice towards others is certainly a natural progression of a gospel-led life. I've no idea why so many professing christians regard justice with so much disdain. They're happy to say they'll pray for someone but run a mile if they're asked to contribute practically. Not only is justice a truly biblical concept, it's also one of God's inherent and immutable characteristics. If you disagree then your argument is against God himself. I've heard a vast amount of Keller's sermons and he almost always brings his message right back to the Gospel, regardless of the subject matter. I've seen nothing in this video which I feel is in any way antithetical to the centrality of the Gospel. I do doubt much of the veracity of the video's content and unsupported claims. "Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story" eh!
Well said, but it is not up to the state to do all this. Changed hearts and minds with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is where the power to bring justice lies this side of eternity. The power is in each of us as believers. I don't need the state to tell me what to do when I have a Lord and Master (also friend John 15:15) who leads me in to His light and life for the hear and now. All this results in words and deeds that reflect well on Christ.
This was a fascinating video, helping me to understand the social justice movement more. I never understood where these people were coming from. I still don’t agree with them, but I at least understand the history of it somewhat better, and understand how many of our churches have been affected by it.
This expresses my concerns with Keller quite well. When I say I’m not a fan to other Christians I get weird looks. I’ll post this on my social media.
You wouldn't get strange looks from ME. I haven't ever trusted Kellar, and recent events prove why I was right not to.
Yeah I'm right there with you. Keller is a Marxist shill. There's a ton out there like him unfortunately. The Gospel works, we don't need to be 'reformed' but transformed.
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I was once a big fan of Keller. His marxism isn't immediately revealed to the casual sermon watcher like me. He's a smart guy who seems to make Christianity relevant to the new generation. How wrong that perception was!
I've never been a fan either. I didn't understand the big deal.
Man, you are so smart and enlightened. Not like other "sheeple" Christians. I wish I had the level of understanding that you do. You get a pat on the back, my friend.
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Matthew 13:25-30
My husband and I got married because of Tim Keller. His marriage series is still a must listen for all couples before they walk down the aisle. A reckoning is coming to the church. May God be with us all!
That’s what happens when you deny the literal and plain meaning of the Creation account, and try to squeeze “long ages” into an obvious 6 day account.
You begin fudging on other doctrines. It inevitably leads to all kinds of error and starts the slow slide into apostasy and heresy.
I spoke with someone the other day (who is a self proclaimed Christian) who thinks the story of Job is an allegorical story. He also said he thinks Jesus is the word of God not the bible...
AMEN Amaberean! Amen.
@@prayunceasingly2029Jesus is the LIVING Word. The Bible is the WRITTEN Word. Your friend is splitting hairs and getting caught up in Sematics.
Jesus, the Living Word said that Scripture, the Written Word, cannot be broken.
There is no conflict between the two.
I commented the same. When I first heard of him, his compromise on 6 day creation is what turned me off. If you cannot accept what the Word says on an EXPLICIT 'non-essential,' then how can you say that you believe the Bible? Ultimately, you will fall away, or else repent of your inconsistency and submit to the Word.
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I absolutely agree!
I appreciated the letting the receipts sort of speak for themselves. This clearly illustrates why so many conservative Christians didn’t realize his true views for so long. He intentionally melded views from both sides so that he would sort of belong anywhere.
He is a gifted man, I believe a modern-day apostle sent by God to help us see this. He is able to holistically look at Scripture and the current American political disgust and speak to it
Interesting phrasing. The fact that he has worked so hard not to be boxed into either camp, in order to keep the focus on the Gospel (which is, by its very nature, apolitical and a stumbling block to both "sides") is exactly what leaves me more inclined to trust his judgement, not less so... Whereas the infiltration of quasi-political rhetoric into many pockets of the Evangelical church in the U.S. is of great concern to me.
@@jmobo26 Very well put!
@@jmobo26 Both political camps are in error, so for him to get involved with the same is just as much an error. He is clearly trying to offer a political option
Notice he heard a sermon that revolutionized his views on social issues and not The Word of God.
It makes me sad that several very close friends of mine, who are Christians, follow the teachings of Tim Keller. I only learned this recently, as their church has begun using Keller-produced materials in their small groups. These are people who I've known for years and always believed had a well grounded faith and were theologically sound (even more than I consider my own faith and theology). But in the past year or two, I've noticed a change in their attitude and this video really shed light on what might be causing that. Thank you for producing this. I will be attempting to share this with them at an appropriate time. Please pray that God will allow that to happen for me.
Hi Cavetroll, perhaps you should do some more research on the teaching of Tim Keller. He's about as biblically and theologically solid as they come. Please do not believe the simplistic and false view of Keller that this puts out. He preaches the Gospel clearly, and he preaches it very unapologetically.
When we get captured by our own ideas of justice before approaching the Word and convince ourselves we don't have to repent of our grasping of that fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil we set ourselves up as God's and we establish our own Gospel.
Tim has weaved a masterful web of idolatry.
Is the Gospel sufficient to transform society? It seems that the "progressive" wing of the Church answers No!
Of course it is! But we need to preach the gospel in a context that is understood today and he does that for me.
I was unaware of Keller's tutelage and influences. I have always been a bit leery of him, even as I appreciate some of his writings.
The most telling parts of this video were when Keller was allowed to speak for himself
Consider however that this video does not fairly represent Keller. At 24:48 it is made to sound like Keller affirms Foucault and postmodernism. If you listen to the context of Keller's sermon ruclips.net/video/U79Eef6U9nw/видео.html you will see he is using Foucault to criticize Marxists and all those who idolize power. I challenge you to listen to that sermon and let Keller speak for himself more fully. I think you will find him a faithful minister of the Gospel.
@@Dadaw99 thank you for sharing that, it aligns with my original post as to whether Keller ordained and authorizes this history of him. I would love it if he would jump in this thread somewhere and comment
He also had David F.Wells and Gordon Fee and Meredith Kline at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary who counterbalanced the Social action being taught in Dowtown Boston at tge Center Fir Urban Educatiin Campus
They met at Park Street Church. This documentary was incomplete because it did not also discuss conservative influences on Dr. KELLER LIKE James Montgonery Boice, Dr. BARNHOUSE. and J.I.Packer and Os Guiness and later Phil Ryken, R.C.Spro
This does not respect the influence that Gordon Huganberger, Mark Noll amd Garth Rosell had on him bef I re he read too much James Cone Ph.d.
Nothing happened to these snakes. Everyone is finally noticing what they say and what they actually believe are different. Stetzer, Moore, Greear, Piper, et al....brought to you by the Frankfurt School.
“Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.”
“Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us. Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward.
Mark 9:38-41
Calling Christians "snakes" because they don't beleive exactly what you do is not Christlike. There are areas that are foundational and the rest is grace.
It seems that you are thinking in very binary terms. You hate the left and so anyone who takes any leftist idea is bad. That is part of the problem. We need to step oit from behind labels and accept Christ and His teachings - which transcends labels and human barriers we put up. Stop calling these Christian men snakes as if you are perfect. Keller has done so much to bring souls to Christ - and that is our main objective after all is it not
@@TinkerBell-bt6vuconfirmation bias confirmed. Virtue signal to someone else.
@@exvan3571 yes your confirmation bias is confirmed. It is so saddening how "Christians" are condemning other Christians and calling them "snakes" just because they have different views on NON ESSENTIAL doctrine. You know the doctrines Paul said we are to have GRACE with. The things he does are not salvation issues. And Keller has won thousands of souls for the Lord. You don't have to agree with everything he believes. And you ASSUME that I do- which is why assuming makes a person a fool because you are 100% wrong. I actually strongly disagree with many things he teaches but I realize they are issues that we are to give grace on and are non salvation issues. Your heart is heardened and you have lost sight of what it means to be a Christian and what our calling truly is. And calling good Christian men "snakes" because you disagree on secondary issues is extremely sad behavior. It requires repentance and prayer to soften your heart and understand what being a Christian really means. You have fallen victim to the political game happening in the USA. You have fallen victim to binary thinking. Just because someone has a different belief on a secondary issue you think they are the enemy and you attack them even though they beleive that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. The sinless Son of God and God Himself. Who died on the cross for the sins of the world. And 3 days later was the resurrection that brings us life and covers our sins. So that whoever believes and places their faith in Him shall have eternal life. THAT is the gospel. That is foundational. Everything else is secondary and is to be taken with grace.
Tell me if I am wrong what exactly does it take to be a Christian? Make the list of what the belief that Keller has that makes him not a Christian. Or a "snake" in your view. What does he beleive that means he is going to go to he'll because he beleives it? And back it up with scripture or else it is meaningless
@@TinkerBell-bt6vu Thank you for saying this. I am glad I am not alone in this. Keller is as solid as they come. Praise God for him.
@@thefallout25 agreed! And he is a strong man of God who lives out his words. I just think it absolutely ridiculous and scandalous that people sit there and attack a man of God - one who has brought thousands of souls to Christ and who lives the gospel as truth daily and walks with the Lord - just because they disagree with him on a SECONDARY issue. It is sinful actually and shows the opposite of love and grace. I might not agree with everything he teaches and that is normal and perfectly ok, because the few things are SECONDARY issues - the ones Paul says we are to have GRACE with eachother in. And these people who are calling him names and dragging him through the mid to scandalized a good man of God have no clue how they are damaging Christians and the body of Christ. It is shameful behavior. And I will always speak up about it because it is injustice at its finest. God bless you brother (or sister) and thank you for standing up for that man of God along side me
He has an estimated net worth of around 3 million dollars. Put into action what you teach. The rich young man in Mark’s gospel didn’t give up his wealth for the poor and I’m not thinking Keller will either.
To understand what is happening to the Christian church, order, Enemies in the Church, a documentary on the church. Excellent, film.
Phil Johnson, of John MacArthur’s Grace To You, I trust. Can you get more theologians to talk about this? Thank you! BTW, when I visited NYC Redeemer a year ago, February 2020, they had “lunch with visitors’ group,” and the woman who was in charge of the group is secretary of Redeemer, and from our conversation, I went away knowing she agreed with abortion. How can any Christian support abortion?
Remember though these words? “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favour”. Luke 4 quoting Is 61 And what does Is 58 say? “Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen: to loose the chains of injustice and untie the cords of the yoke, to set the oppressed free and break every yoke? Is it not to share your food with the hungry and to provide the poor wanderer with shelter when you see the naked, to clothe them, and not to turn away from your own flesh and blood?
Then your light will break forth like the dawn, and your healing will quickly appear”. Let us look beyond the ‘isms’ and see with the eyes of Jesus who seeks to set the whole person free, to transform lives in all respects from the inside out and starting in this life. “I came that they may have life.....and abundantly” John 10.10. So easy to criticise instead of heeding this call.....
Yes and Yes, Julian. Well said.
The head pastor at the church we “attend” (hasn’t been open since March) loves Tim Keller and it appears he’s been taking his cues on how to respond to what’s going on from him...we’re in Canada so it’s not a huge affect yet but it’s noticeable. I want to send him this but he doesn’t know me from Adam 😬
I wrote a LOOOONG letter to my previous pastor after his first woke sermon in March--which was streamed (that church is still not meeting). I ended up calling him and going over everything and then explained why we were switching churches. I say send the video, ask for his thoughts. If no response, then maybe personally and privately engage with him and--if you feel called to--confront him.
So uncomfortable to confront one's spiritual leader about their grievous errors. But if the Lord calls you to do it, you must.
Update (if anyone cares): turns out there is no way to directly contact the pastor. You can send an email to the church and the admin will direct it as need be. To me that’s a red flag. Can’t contact my pastor directly? The church isn’t that big.
We’ve since left and started attending a church plant with a reformed pastor who preaches a full gospel, doesn’t cut any of the tough stuff out. And he won’t close or mandate masking no matter what Caesar says. My husband has been saved and no one fights going to church any more 🙌🏻. God is so, so good!!
I attended his church sporadically from 2008-2015. I never understand the fascination with Tim. Services felt like ivy league lectures or a public reading of the NYT. I usually felt bored and my spirit was looking for something more.
That was a lot of work to put this together. Thank you!
Why do you feel you need to attempt to malign Tim Keller’s ministry?
I really don't know much about Tim Keller. My first exposure was a video series introducing his "City to City" program. I was so unhappy with the theology he promoted in that series that I dropped out of the Bible study group (after attending it for 9 years!). Last year, I encountered an attempt to jump start a "City to City" movement in the country where I teach university (not in the USA), but I felt this movement was ill-suited for our Christian Community (and still strongly feel that way) and stayed far away from it.
Having said that, I hope that this disturbing video presentation is not altogether true. It's hard for me to believe that someone who is so highly respected could be a post-modern semi-Marxist proponent of quasi liberation theology and still be praised by so many evangelicals. I cannot imagine that Keller's co-worker D.A. Carson is a closet semi-communist/liberation/existentialist theologian (after all, Carson's "The Gagging of God" or his "The Intolerance of Intolerance" seem to go against this).
So I hope that people watching this video will INVESTIGATE to see if the allegations are accurate. I don't know if the claims here are true or not, but I suspect they probably are NOT. At least, I would hope they aren't.
Unfortunately this documentary is accurate. Just follow Keller's tweets on Twitter. Hear his own words.
My church was planted by Redeemer. A team came to my city. They follow his books, the City to City community engagement trainings, racial justice, housing justice, they have a Minister of Justice, food justice to end racist farming, etc. They became buddies with Marxist activist groups and local politicians to get them to pass laws for diversity, equity, inclusion, and to get them to pass laws to redistribute wealth and privileges from Oppressors to the Victims of Oppression. (Yes it’s in capital letters in the newsletters and flyers). They are investing in community land trusts to have collectively owned land, and making sure to only provide vegan food to the poor at the food bank because God gave us the plants for our health and to save the environment. I guess Jesus would not be welcome for eating fish for breakfast.
I left when I saw how crazy it became. Like Redeemer, my church never had a prayer meeting! How can a church not have a prayer meeting?! And they did not evangelize. No gospel preaching on any of these useless justice projects. Just a bag of lentils with an onion and brown rice - no chicken, eggs, or milk for the children, and never an offer to pray for them or give them a children’s Bible book. When my friends and I would go pray for people in the playgrounds or the beach and offer tracts or little gospel booklets (gospel of John), they didn’t encourage us. We asked can the church make tracts for us to share so we can invite people but they said no, give them our business card. No ministry was birthed through prayer. It’s just well dressed Marxism and rich white liberals patting themselves on the back for living among us poor dark people. Phony, cold, fakes.
This explains so much.
Wow, it sure does
Put simply, Keller has an unbiblical view of justice.
This makes a whole lotta sense .
I’m finally understanding .
Thank you for this great presentation! Great job and highly useful for Gods people in this “dark winter”
Well researched and presented. Thank you.
So my mother walked by while I was listening to this and said, "Are they talking about Joe Biden or MLK?"
Wow, your mother is the arbiter of all truth. Telling.
And what is wrong with advocating opportunities for those persons less fortunate than ourselves?
Wow. That was illuminating. Thankful to you for your research and sharing.
Went to school where he learned to reconcile the irreconcilable. I had no idea how far back his corruption went.
Same!
The Leftists mentioned in the video all lived a pretty prosperous, privileged life.
Which so called “leftists” are you referring to?
Great research. Thank you. Also, Exodus 23:3 says, "Do not show favoritism to the poor." Justice is for everyone.
In tbe interest of good hermaneutics and honesty you might want to quote the entire verse. In fact, you might want to read the entire passage for proper context. Compare verse 3 with verse 6. Lord preserve us from those who would misapply scripture or attempt t to use verses as proof texts in order to push their own agendas! As Shakespeare wrote: " Even Satan can cite scripture for his own purpose."
@@DG-mv6zw Ok. Which part or idea of that single verse do you disagree with?
How awful when realizing that TK funneled all this false teaching into the church right under the noses of orthodox leaders.
The carnage that's resulted has been tragic.
I have liked hearing Tim Keller teach in the past, and found this informative and somewhat surprising, to learn who his past influencers have been over the years. Not that I have ever known him very well, but from his teachings I have heard, I am surprised to hear he liked anything from Saul Alinsky, who wrote Rules For Radicals. There were other things that surprised me as well, like Hegel and the Frankfurt School.
So, the problem with evangelicals was the message of salvation was primary and social issues were secondary? Social issues are for a time. Salvation is for eternity.
I'm so thankful that twisting the gospel message is not one of the many sins of which I'm guilty.
Wow. I knew Keller’s name as the big bang evolution Christian dude.... now it makes sense why he so strongly opposes young earth.
Keller - "The whole purpose of salvation is to cleanse and purify this material world." (@35:02) : Not found in Scripture. It is not the Gospel.
Do you realize how taking a quote isolated from its context can seem to say something else?
For instance, do you realize that the material world's evil is traced back to the fall of man in Genesis 3?
Didn't John write that Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil?
Won't Jesus usher in the New Jerusalem and thus at that point he will have made all things new that will reside in the New Jerusalem?
Thus all of his salvation will have resulted in not only the saving of souls and the forgiveness of sins, but also the glorifying of human redeemed bodies in a new "cleansed and purified material world?
So, should you have simplistically though you can sum up the video or the 40+ years of gospel ministry by Tim Keller with your one quote, which you revealed you did not yourself even understand?
@@ivanlambert5524 What Keller really meant is “The whole purpose of Marxism is to cleanse and purify this material world” This is not our world. The ruler of this world is Satan.
Yeah I caught that quote...its disturbing..
@@ivanlambert5524 sounds like you still follow this guy? WTH is it going to take to wake false Christians and false converts up?
Wasn't it Christ who was going to build and bring forth HIS church and man's end is to know HIM.
What happened? His megaphone got larger and his message eventually revealed his Marxist-Liberation theology.
We had glimpses, but when questioned, his "track record" in ministry covered the theological Marxism.
Eventually, these views grow bolder until the theology abandons the bible, orthodoxy, etc.
The real danger for the church is from within...wolves in sheep clothing...we do need to rack and stack pastors of how they divide the WORD of God...thank you for presenting the true Keller. Church opposition Fr the outside strengthens the true body of Christ... while those agents of the enemy from within corrupts the church n leads many people astray. But we only are led astray if we don’t ground ourselves in the word of the Lord...
Notice it comes from university lies. Should we love the philosophies or vain understandings of this world ? He seems to be caught in deception.
He is a deceiver.
@@nicolettecoetzee7339 Exactly. He is a pusher of the deception.
Thanks Jon and thanks Enemies Within the Church
Thank God who is SOVEREIGN in ALL THINGS! And that God had a plan from the beginning of the world that some eyes and ears would be opened to TRUTH and others would not; they never had the Heart transplant that replaced their sin for Jesus’ RIGHTEOUSNESS.
My adage is "The more popular a person/book/movie/song is, the more wrong it probably is. If a teacher or preacher you like is getting well-known, start praying for them like crazy and check what they are saying carefully!!!
Funny, Jesus was so hugely popular that the leaders of his day decided to get him crucified.
It seems IV has greatly contributed to the growth of progressivism in the church in the US.
Kitty Leung I went to IV in college and I absolutely believe that. They were woke before woke was woke.
Jonathan Edwards was right when he wrote that there are only two kinds of love: love for God and love for self. Any attempt to love someone else without embracing the sufficiency of Scripture is self-love. Adding to Scripture is a damnable offense.
I’ve listened to many of Keller’s sermons and read many of his books. He is orthodox in much of his theology. I want to be careful not to misrepresent him. Lately though, I’ve come to see him in a different light.
This documentary was in some ways not too surprising to me the way it would’ve been several years ago. Keller loomed large for me in the Christian world; he was probably my favorite pastor. But now he seems blinded by the kind of biases built into the truth-power dynamic he preaches against. His own take on the Christian worldview is itself formed by postmodern thinkers he seemed to faintly critique.
Keller believes in objective truth and biblical authority. Unfortunately, how he understands that truth has been shaped by radical liberation thinkers. Ironically, his views are themselves culturally constructed by the “Christian” counter-culture he embraced in his youth. He has been promoting those views under the guise of a theologically conservative thinker to Christians who consider themselves firmly grounded in orthodoxy.
We should pray for them and for Keller to repent.
This was so informative. I saw this movement in a Reformed Church I used to attend as the pastor became left in his thinking at the beginning of the pandemic.The harm and destruction this has brought to the church. I knew that must have been cultivated in school and in seminary. Shocking that Westminster had such professors. So very much to pray for 🙏✝️
Thank you for this documentary on Tim Keller, it was very enlightening! 😇🙏⛪️👏❤️
I knew all this since 2013. I got saved in 2012, and I attended the Redeemer from 2008 to 2013 and I remember why I left....after I got saved in 2012, a true and radical transformation, a new creation came over me. I was born again.After that wonderful experience and being on fired for the LORD, I kept going to Redeemer bc it was the only church I knew. But for a whole year something was bothering me, Tim Kellers message is off base. It was the same theme, a social gospel that celebrated this urban professional ivy league coolness. Sermons were mostly about Hollywood movies or Star Wars or the Lord of the Rings, or Nytimes article about the City...basically no sermons about the King of Kings, the Son of GOD, the Holiness and Reverence and majesty of Jesus Christ and the outpouring of his Grace and Mercy to sinners. But a workshop, a seminar, a lecture on how to help your city. How to be a better citizen to your city neighbors and your fellow citizens in need. Salvation, the blood of Jesus, the cross, the sacrifice, sin, or carrying your cross, was just an after thought. Yes Jesus was preached but usually mentioned towards the end, the last 5 mins of the sermon when Tim Keller would remind us of this urban Jesus. Finally after a year, I remember walking in early at the 5pm Sunday sermon - I sat down and as the worship music started - I felt the spirit of GOD, or the Holy Spirit tell me....get out, GOD is not here. You dont belong here. That is the truth, and til this day I wont forget what I felt on my chest and what I heard. It was not audible, it came thru my thoughts, and my chest started pounding, telling me you will not find GOD at this church. That moment still haunts me. I finally left, and never went back. Eventually, I joined a small folksy fire and brimestone church....where Jesus was glorified with simple words, no intellect, no bourgousie city hipster Nytimes liberal yoda like arrogance of Christian humanism that stressed Marxist views. A small church and congregation that preached the biblical Jesus, and the fear of the Lord, and the Mercy of HIS son. My conclusion -I dont think Tim Keller is in a good place. Im sorry, but if his teachings are correct and true, then the gospel is a lie...and we are all wasting our time, repenting, and walking with Jesus in obedience Tim Keller was not an agent of GOD. Now, more than ever I realize how some of those bone chilling verses are real, GOD is not kidding around, it's not a joke....few are chosen. Narrow is the path to life, and few are on it.
Before I knew who Keller was, I was given his book "The Prodigal God" at a men's event. I read it, and thought, "This book is garbage."
A couple years later, I started hearing about his wokeness, and thought, "Where have I heard that name?" And then put together that he was the author.
I have that book , was told it was good , just could not read it . Anything I have of Keller is going into the trash . There are many better , theologically solid teachers out there . We don’t need to eat out of the pig trough
@@janeteaton3240 don’t throw them in the trash, they make good fire starter.
@@johnbasedow3786 LOL , good idea ! About all it’s good for
Wow, if that book is your standard of what "garbage" is, then you're pretty far off my friend. What Gospel do you believe in?
@@thefallout25 I'm an independent Baptist. Salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.
Are you a Christian as well?
We must remember that much of this was an interpretation of who Tim Keller is and not him speaking for himself for the most part. Therefore the author's interpretations may misrepresent the man himself.
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Thank you for this!
One thing that I reckon the church needs to deal with is that some of the men entering the ministry have been to civil government owned schools or have had liberal religious upbringing, rather than being well catechised in the Reformed religion. Then they enter theological colleges - I think you call them seminaries in the US - with an unbiblical worldview. We would be naive to think that they will all change their views to thoroughly scriptural ones at the seminary, so Presbyteries need to be wise and faithful in who they accept as candidates and who they ordain.
Fantastic and eye-opening video!
I think the maxim of "all truth is God's truth" has caused some confusion here. Keller would quote Foucault, Marx, Nietzsche, and others, not to say that they had "THE" truth, but to say that they saw some things correctly. He was always careful to decry the actual ideologies themselves, at least he was when I heard him preach. Finding truth in areas that his audience was familiar with, thus showing commonalities and building a case for God in terms they could understand. Maybe I'm missing something but I always appreciated his being so well-read and aware of the zeitgeists that were moving the culture around us.
He needs to spend some time in third world or poor countries. He’ll learn the true nature of human fallenness. The problem is not lack of equity; the problem is the human heart. Only the Gospel transforms people.