The US Military is Planning for a War with China | Hasanabi Reacts to Johnny Harris ft. Boy Boy
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2023
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Dude I’m Brazilian, leftist, have tons of socialist friends and literally never heard someone call North Korea Popular Korea or whatever. We just call it North Korea lol
I think "best Korea" was a thing on 4chan like 8 years ago.
maybe they were referring to “democratic people’s republic of north korea”? or just like a shortened / shorthand version of that?
I always just use DPRK. Same with U.S.S.R. as opposed to Soviet Russia.
I've heard once or twice some call it the "People's Korea" (A Coreia do Povo, ou algo nessa vibe)
Definitely kinda weird though lol
magina caralho, a gente que é comuna chama SIM a Cuzeia do Norte de Coreia Popular, a não ser que você não assista NENHUM canal marxista nessa porra
Johnny CIA reacts are always so much fun lol.
Gotta love the lib takes
@@owengravy3645Based takes
@@Wheatthin21 Johnny 'State Department' Harris has never had a good take. Mid at best.
@@Laeshen Gotcha, I personally am very left wing so maybe we have a fundamental difference on what we think is good lol
@@Wheatthin21johnny harris does very good videos covering corruption around american politics and our horrific actions in foreign affairs (besides him acting like the CIA only did 7 coups since WW2 bc the CIA only confirmed 7 instead of you know, our 86 involvements in coups since WW2) but he sucks or is lackluster most of the time when it comes to geopolitics, history of other countries, and typical lib brained coverage of china, russia, and any other “big bad communism” country.
War is the stunted growth of humanity, much like hate. We are lucky to have another day on this planet TOGETHER.
It’s crushingly embarrassing how much we as a planet spend on war. Literal trillions of dollars that do nothing but cancel each other out, objectively wasted resources. Think of the progress we could have made with that kinda funding going to worthwhile causes.
Rome used the defense excuse to preemptively invade everyone around them. Saying the same things as Rome said probably isn't a good sign
Ha ha, yeah. Rome was well-known as a friendly, helpful, and diplomatic neighbor. The US State Department loves to assert that countries, thousands of miles away from our physical borders, simply existing is a tangible threat to our sovereignty.
I'm sure you can name a few more right? Pretty much every world power throughout history has done this, including China.
I mean its not like china has increased the amount of jets they fly through taiwans airspace and miscles they shoot over taiwan or japan by 5fold or more over the past 3 years or so, def not...
@@AuthorityCat Rome are the masters of this strategy, the Roman Republic used to use that strat all the time to expand. You’d see it every once in a while in the historical record for other countries but Rome definitely used it the most.
China and Russia do the same exact thing. So have a ton of others since Rome. It's almost like military doctrine is developed by observing world history.
Everyday I wake up in Okinawa and hear an obnoxiously loud jet fly over I ask the same question. WTAF is the US in Japan?
Because the Japanese government wants us to be.
Incase we need to nuke another city.
Simple. When you lose a war and your government is designed by the victor and the victor has bases in your country, you are forever the victor’s beotch.
Because in the treaty of 1945, the Allies told them to dismantle their military, and in return, we would provide aid and support.
Korea and China really don't like Japan because of the war crimes and massacres they did, so to fulfill our portion of the treaty, we need to make sure we are able to defend them from both threats.
If the US and Australia balk at the defense pact, we lose a lot of soft power.
Taiwan needs to reclaim China from the authoritarian tankies
You hear that Hassan in 10 years you're going to be speaking double American
that good ole double truth
I'm actually surprised that Hasan mentioned the Philippines and Aleksa actually mentioned the problems of Filipino voters, and obviously as a Filipino myself.
I couldn't help that them mentioning us made me smile :)
As a Filipino that considers himself a Marxist.
As someone who was born in a communist dictatorship, I feel sorry for you.
considering usa has military bases in all of countries south of china, and warships, usa could easily pressure with establishing a free democracy in these countries. so wouldn't have form of authoritarian governances like these: "Thai woman jailed for record 43 years for criticising monarchy,
19 January 2021, British Broadcasting Corporation
Thailand revived the controversial lèse-majesté law, which forbids any insult to the monarchy, late last year in an attempt to curb months of anti-government protests, with demonstrators demanding changes to the authoritarian monarchy. "
and no longer just pro-usa juntas, and corruption, but a real, corrupt-free democracies. even when you take the chance that those election results could be sometimes against usas interests, by becoming neutral countries.
just 2 weeks ago: "Protests in Thailand as rivals derail Pita’s PM bid
Thai parliament blocks Move Forward Party’s progressive leader from being renominated for prime minister, prompting protests.
his nomination for prime minister was defeated in a joint vote of the House and Senate last week, with conservative military-appointed senators mostly refusing their support."
now, some westerners might ask, what does "military-appointed" mean?
" 65 days have passed since Move Forward’s stunning triumph over military-backed parties in a May election, in what was widely considered a clear public rejection of nine years of government controlled by generals."
uh-huh. and this could've been a golden opportunity for usa to prevent things like these, military takeovers, make a big public thing, pressure thailand for democracy. to protect democracy and freedom. but these military dudes are pro-usa.
@@Ida-AdrianaCommunist dictatorship from where?
@@greysnake2903Probably the Soviet Union
@@Ida-Adriana There is literally no correlation between communism/socialism and dictatorships. Yes, a communist state can most definitely become an authoritarian dictatorship. But capitalist countries can also be dictatorships, and many still are. Economic doctrines have literally nothing to do with political structure.
I want to like Johnny Harris, his production is phenomenal and inspiring, some of his videos are very fun to watch, but some of the video takes like this are odd. As I was going down the Johnny rabbit hole I remember seeing a video pop up that explained how there was a lot of exaggeration in some of his videos which made me start questioning what he's saying more rather than believing everything he says which is easy to do because of how good the videos are.
Pretty sure he’s like confirmed propaganda
His production style is the whole point. He's trying to convince young people into buying his propaganda through good camera angles and bright colors.
The Australian mind cannot comprehend this
Your welcome for our shield of protection
In high school I had to write a history essay test either advocating w sources why Hiroshima was justified vs not, and since their sources for unjustified were so little and unconvincing I was forced to write for justified. I got an A.
Here that just told us it was justified and they left it at that. Everything else was out of the question
I just recently had a college final paper on the topic i chose (whether nuking hiroshima was a necessary means to end the pacific war) and the sources saying unjust werent strong enough so i had to pick the latter too.
@@alexstrickland5039 I'd be very interested to know what people did before nuclear weapons in order to stop wars. I mean without nukes did wars ever come to an end? Or did they just require nukes in this one exceptional case because.... conveniently, Japan was a country soooo unhinged that they just had to be nuked. Not Germany. Just Japan.
If the usa had not used the atomic bomb, millions on both sides would have died instead of ~200,000 from the atom bombs, ending the war. In fact japan planned to be so entrenched with massive tunnel systems in countless mountains that the usa would have needed to annex the entire japanese mainland by force without a surrender. Japan would be shadow of itself if they had not surrendered.
@@PCgamer923 Japan tried to surrender before the second bombing
This culture war is about to be WILD.
Did Hasan adopt an Aussie as well? 😂😂
USA: We're so friendly that we'll surround you, so we can say "Hi!" from every angle!😊
i think china will eventually match usa in defense budget.
@@Redmanticore The USA is transforming into a banana republic. We'll still have an $800 billion military while our citizens are unable to afford homes or cars. Interesting, that used to be our self-appointed duty toward other nations in our hemisphere.
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Hasan's take on foreign politics is trash
i always cracked out a laugh everytime he said adbreak
But you know what's even funnier?
Hassan is so ignorant when it comes to geopolitics. And he knows nothing about the relationship between asian countries and their history. 😮
37:00 that’s literally what I was taught in AP US history too lol
Literally same. I thought for the longest time that the nukes on Japan were justified until I watched Shaun's 3 hour video on the topic
@@operative1258can I get a plot synopsis? Why was it not necessary? How did it not save lives?
@@BMac420 JP already failing, nuke just speed the time
@@SunnySzetoSz2000 usa could have told japan´s emperor, that unless you surrender now, we will leave this country to the communist stalin that is already coming, and you won't get to keep your independence.
after some thinking, the emperor would have surrendered. the emperor was more for negotiation and surrendering than the military brass, more far-seeing, thinking the future of japan, not just that japan must end today.
@@BMac420japan was literally negotiating for peace already, the concessions they demanded then are what the US accepted after the bomb anyways, but the US wanted to preempt the soviets from doing their own invasion of japan and also spook the soviets with their kewl new bombs
Umm China would have already taken Taiwan if the US was not there. And they are there to balance the power. You’re a political science major, you must already know these basic international regulations concepts
The US is there for self interest, which happens to ALSO benefit the countries China bullies. The simple and old "the enemy of my enemy, is my friend". Is it really that hard to understand, really? These countries are picking against bad, or awful. But bad is better than awful.
Nuclear weapons is the best weapon created by human to stop wars
Y'all ain't ever getting healthcare 😮💨
Nope!
I got mine.
neither is china. china has made it by law, like India, that children have to take care of their elders, because china does not offer elderly care, proper pension system, social welfare, healthcare. within two decades, china’s retirement-age population is projected to surpass the entire population of the united states. by 2040, an estimated 402 million people, or 28 percent of china’s population, will be older than 60 years old.
imagine having to financially take care of yourself, your children, and your parents. all living in an apartment with few rooms, not in a big house.
The idea that there would be no tension in East Asia without the US is wild.
Modern day Japan feels threatened by China. Taiwan feels threatened by China. South Korea to a lesser extent (because they're more occupied with North Korea).
In SEA, Philippines, Malaysia and Vietnam feel threatened by China.
Yeah these fellows are kind of easy on China always for some reason😅
Retorically for domestic consumption, yes, but their actions were the opposite until recently for some and same for most.
Politicians were constantly telling the US to go away in more investor centric interviews.
S korra building military bases against japan instead, Philippines directly telling the US to piss off under the prev admin, Malaysia still saying their staying neutral. Vietnam saying still saying they'll stay neutral if conflict breaks out, Indonesian TM saying they're looking forward to the multi trillion dollar investments in interviews, etc.
43:00 replace Chinese with American and you have how the boundary splitting unified Korea under the PRK was made
oh cool 1h video
Japanese, Korean, Chinese, conflicts would most definitely occur even without the US.
Funny thing is they have for centuries. China just slowed down due to Western direct contact.
@@CarmelloVision I know Hasan is being kind of ignorant here about how East Asia geopolitics dynamics really works.
@@hamizanyunos1502 man, it’s super surprising. Given his takes on Japan (where I live), and with much love, I think it’s the exoticism that’s alluring to him. He’s still a good dude, but he is def missing the overall scope.
Except that usa push this client state to literly point the gun at the face of china when she is clearly the regional power by every standart , like literly pushing them against china just to benefit the usa hegemony , like it sad that will be a war that will never impact usa but will fuel more their military indistrual complex as always from ww1 to ww2 to every conflict
@@hamizanyunos1502i’m shocked. Hasan has a bad foreign policy take?!?!? 😱😱😱 big surprise there
Is it just me or does hasan sometimes not let them talk. Their pretty funny but he talks over them sometimes
Love Hasan but this is a common issue when he has guests. It’s not malicious or anything but it’s definitely a tendency. He has ADHD if I recall correctly and this is a known symptom (I’ve got it too so I’m speaking from experience!). It’s only exasperated by his multitasking in reading comments, opening links, playing/pausing, etc. and not looking at the speaker, making social cues more easily missable. So I understand why and there’s no judgment, but I do wish he would actively try to let his guests have the floor a little more.
That's a ADHD thing apparently. Plus he's so excited to share HIS views, it's like he feels he's educating his guests too
mfer refuses to treat his adhd and thinks it doesn't affect him. lol, lmao, even
I think it's a combo of ADHD plus going to college in the Tri-State Area. As a person w/ ADHD myself AND from South Jersey, I have to tell myself to chill when I get really into a convo. Back east we were raised finishing each others sentences and/or expecting the other person to keep talking while I talk lol. When I'm w/ my close friends and family, we'll have one huge convo and multiple side convos going on at the same time but I didn't know that was weird until I moved to LA! LOL
“there wouldn’t be tensions without the U.S.” bro tell me you know nothing about the region without telling me you know nothing about the region 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡
Saudi Arabia is like: Thank you for helping us with democracy, my friend.
You can't ignore the tension was already exist in South China sea b4 US came and intervene. Vietnam was a close ally to China (we're both communist country, china aided in American war). We distanced ourselves after 1979 invasion but shake hands again after the fall of USSR. Both China and Vietnam have claims island on the china sea. The area was kind of neutral till Xi Jinping became president. He started building islands, military bases, cities on those claims. His foreign affair is very aggressive compared to previous presidents. US didn't pay attention to Pacific front (they was still in middle east: iraq, afganistan, taliban...) till Xi Jinping era. With his aggression toward neighbors, the surrounding countries has to ask the other big guy for help (US, obviously) .
Don't bother, its geopolitics and Hasan and some of his fans only care about the big bad America and all the other tankie-sourced brain garbage.
Wth are you saying? To say "there would have been tensions anyway" is a non-argument, and if you think the US is there to 'help' its 'allies' you haven't followed their foreign policy at all.
Also, the nine-dash line is obviously infringing on the waters of many countries, but the PRC did not make that claim. They inherited it from the ROC. What are you expecting them to do? Just carve it up and hand it to their neighbors? Because if they do that the US is just gonna storm in and encircle China even further BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY DOING THAT.
Vietnam was obviously 100% in the right in 1979. No question. But it wasn't China who committed genocide against your people. It was the Americans who did that. You'd think that you'd be sympathetic for China defending itself from the same country that tried to destroy yours.
I just don't see how anyone can make the claim that there would be any kind of comparable tension in the region without the US. I mean, we're talking about WWIII here, over some damn fishing boats, apparently. Why?
i still think this can be avoided if both sides agree to concessions and diplomacy.
@@RedmanticoreDiplomacy? Countries like the Philippines tried that, it didn't work.
@cosmicluna5783 except that their gov is military proxy for the usa , you literaly negotiating with the usa at this point
Bruh, the Johnny video is 20 minutes long. This is an hour plus change.
yes? it's supposed to be like that...
that’s content baby!!!
@@CharlieKell yeah. He rambles A LOT. But its usually just 20 minutes more, not 3x lol
@@christiannipales9937he made a 45+ minute react from a 5 minutes video once lmao
33:38 what are the chances a year on from then
yankoids and other westoids think that Hasan's takes on geopolitics are insanely out of hand, but here in Brazil his takes are very normal among leftists, even among social-democrats lmao
Definitely, some are used by liberals even, but some of what Hasan says is just common sense in Latin America due to more access to that kind of knowledge unlike Europe and the US.
Watch his Crimea takes lmao
@@orcho141his Crimea take is mainstream leftist in most of the non European/American world lmao
@@orcho141crimea river
Brazilian politics Are sad lol
Great video! Now lets just wait for the hillarious reacts from the you know whos 😊
Is that Australian guest mumbling or is his accent just hard to understand for us Americans? I really am having difficulty parsing most of his words.
Umm they are certainly trying to stop Taiwa from having its own democracy……
We are China's number one customer, so we fund them. If you have an issue with China, why are you funding their practices?
Great point.....
Aaaahh but have you considered iPhone?
@@michaelslowmin
I just love apple’s simplicity. An average person isn’t going to care about tech stuff.
Capitalism baby sweet cheap labor can’t get enough of it. Plus the government will always bend to the will of corporations and billionaires
@@robert2690 Fair enough. I was more referring to China's manufacturing of microchips.
"There would be tension without the US [presence]" Sorry but there really would be. Japan and China haver never gotten along. Taiwan exists because of Japan. Regardless of the US presence there (whose been operating in the area since before WW2 btw) the South China Sea is a tumultuous location. Yeah, a lot of that was caused by the USA during and after WW2, but it has nothing to do with the US military presence in the area right now.
Also the idea of two world powers not intimidating each other is baffling. There's never been a moment in human history where there haven't been border tensions pretty much everywhere. If it wasn't the USA strong arming China, it would be China doing the same exact thing. Like, it's not complicated, right?
how many bases is china building the pacific and atlantic around america?? also china is funding a lot of PH infrastructure. good luck US
infrastructure by itself is good for everyone. that doesn't matter and is actually good for usa too, since it makes economies prosper, as long as some missile batteries, nuclear missile silos don't appear in it.
@@Redmanticorenothing wrong with arming small countries with nukes. I mean there’s only one country that will probably use them
@@Redmanticorethat last part is the part that china is doing too, they build these ports under the guise of being beneficial, but when these poor african countries can’t pay the insane interest rate, china takes it and posts battleships there.
the subs were free, they just had to pay shipping and handling.
Also Johnny Harris doesn’t even do the editing for these videos, I know Hasan always praises the nice editing but it’s not even his work. He credits an editor, and two animators at the end of the video, they are the ones actually making the video look nice, Johnny does none of that.
The idea that other nations aren't threatened by China is laughable.
Oh noes, the Chinese are coming with their engineers to build stuff!
@@elmoheadtheir dogshit engineers coming to take jobs building tofu dreg styrofoam buildings they will overcharge for then take once you fall behind on payments. It’s just imperialism with extra steps.
@@elmohead Lmao, chinas not doing that out of the goodness of their hearts bro, its all with the idea of national interest and financial control of other nations.
@@theelitespinach465 its a win-win scenario.
I think you Aussie guys missed the point on what was free. Not the hardware which is what Australia is paying for but the technology is what’s free and that is in the billions
When i watch Harris’ videos, I just exchange the position of USA and China, then i start to judge.
Never seen Johny straight up lie before. Freely = 370b apparently
Free as in no strings attached dingus they obviously didn’t literally give them away
Or “famously pacifist” Japan lol.
@@TrU_homie he proceeds to mention all the god damn strings the minute he says freely. They have to use them to patrol china lol
finland, on russian border, has now a 6 billion defense budget. that is divided among all defense, air, land, sea.
370b is 61 years worth of finnish defense budgets, just into these submarines.
gangsters play, when they really want to.
most expensive conventional military submarine is 3 billion, most expensive prototype spy submarine, that usa is just planning, that doesn't even have a name yet, is 5 billion.
so that would still mean _110 state-of-the-art submarines, of the most expensive military submarine variety. and 8 spy ones._
united states of America has 67 submarines, of all kinds, currently. so. in theory. that would mean Australia has double the submarine force than usa itself. its over 7 times australias defense budget.
free, indeed.
Dude, the US was freaking out because of a party balloon but yet China is supposed to accept American war ships off their coast
*enemy aircraft in your airspace*
this guy: “totally cool, don’t worry about it”
*Cruisers hundreds of miles away*
this guy: “time to panic, they’re attacking already”
😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡
Do you research on the Palm oil industry
We do know there are multiple US bases in the Caribbean right? It’s actually worse because people live there and will become a target by default.
The US has conveniently put bases all over the globe, in high density areas. Their plan is to make sure the entire world goes down in flames during a worst-case scenario.
19:16
lmao, the chatter thinks that liberal bourgeois democracy is actually democratic
tell that to the thousands and thousands of HK citizens who live in literal cages because of housing market speculation
So you prefer to live in China or the US?
@@alexs1640 Both have cities that smell like urine.
As a Filipino, the situation regards to the West Philippine Sea is scary. Especially that Filipinos are split in this topic and our politicians are fumbling so hard on how to solve the situation. Most poeple here don't like the actions of China. However, the previous administration was a full on pro China that our debt ballooned to $1.1B that might agitate China if wrong move was done. Also, not to mention that the previous administration didn't follow through the abtriral ruling with the reason that they're scared to go war against China. This sentiment sadly infects most Filipinos. But US is no better of course.
Swaggapino civil war upcoming 😂? I've heard Chinese families are strong in your capital city while they are funding terrorist/freedomfighters/privatearmy etc to keep the tensions up on the south of the Philippines.
And not to mention Muslim fighters that have ties with other Muslims in other countries. Mix it up with new American bases 😂 it's a mixture of disasters bound to happen.
bro you are a US client state with a CIA controlled military i feel like that is a bigger issue no?
@@user-qd3dm7ut2n yeah. But most people here are oblivious to that.
@@Ihavealeftbrainthat is by design
Its air defense, not air space. Some really bad America-Bad takes in this one, this was a rough watch.
16:40 sure america does it for their own good, nothing new here. but taiwan sure in the fuck appreciates the help even if its for the wrong reasons. Taiwan seem like a great place, that I would love to visit one day but i would prefer if it wasnt psycho pass city over there like in china.
5:56 there would be no tension because none of those countries would be able to do anything about china violating international law and controlling trade in international waters claiming it as their own.
This isn't strictly true. China has a rapidly aging population. As much as they would have the largest military, they wouldn't be able to unilaterally control absolutely everything through pure military strength. People act like war is like a game where the biggest military can just control everything through brute strength. They can't. The US managed it through very specific set of circumstances but as has already been clear they cannot do so for much longer.
China wouldn't be able to just declare war on everyone and expect to win without doing massive damage to themselves. Far outweighing the potential gains. They would dominate trade and the region but not as easily as you're making out. It would be as much through trade and sanctions as through direct military control.
@@IshtarNike actually, japan's the country with the most issues regarding a rapidly aging population. so much so that they're struggling to find a way to maintain the 'homogeneity' of it's population w/ all of the 'guest workers' that are needed to care for it's senior citizens. on the other hand, china has rapidly expanded it's middle-class, as well as infrastructure, and no longer has strict population guidelines.
also, china wouldn't "declare war on everyone" like American war-hawks would like us to believe, and even if they did, it's not WW2 and we (the US) don't have an unlimited supply of 18yr olds to shovel into a grinder, like we did before. plus, if trade were to grind to a sudden halt (due to war) america would grind to a halt w/n weeks due to the fact that almost all of our manufacturing has been outsourced to *CHINA* ... us supply lines would be devastated lol
Yeah only the usa is allowed to do that
@@thanasis-_- we don't violate countries sovereignty and international law. yes it can be argued we did in the past but not in recent decades.
CHINER!
Hasan’s on that Sheldon Cooper sarcasm vibe.
ouch
How long are the boys staying with Hasan?
ik hes joking about the australia thing but china will never give up taiwan. its like xi's vow or something. not to mention like half of the KMT (taiwan's right wing party) is actively working on reunification lmao.
Why would they? Taiwan is a part of China.
the KMT is delusional if they think they're ever "reunifying" which I assume they mean taking over all of the territory they claim lmao
It's not "Xi's vow", the communist party have been saying "there's only one China and Taiwan is part of it" since they took power in 1949 and the KMT fled to Taiwan
This is my take. Naturally, before industrialization, regions with the largest population produce the most economic output, thus, having the most influence. Think India and China accounting for 2/3rds of total economic output prior to western countries industrializing. Western countries industrialized first, they had a head start and since the equilibrium naturally places them below regions with the most populated regions, the west has to keep the rest of the world contained. This is why the US behaves the way it does with bases all over the world under the cover of maintaining peace and stability. China is giving global south countries another option other than the U.S. And that’s why China’s a threat but not evil or an enemy.
1:02:57 summary of the video
I only want to see Johnny Harris tripping on a banana peel.
@5:40 I love how the standard of "no tension" defaults to an authoritarian military power with a history of invading its non-chinese neighbors. 😂
Legit he is saying there would be no tension because China would steamroll its neighbors. His anti-war take is letting tyrants & dictators conquer and subjugate any country in their reach. He asks why the US has to get involved, because every country in the area is fucking terrified of China and begging us to help defend them. Hasan probably thinks there was no tension in this area before Pearl Harbor either, just a militant superpower dominating all their neighbors quick and easy as it should be.
It would be like saying you are "anti-rape" because you think women getting raped should just give consent so it isn't rape anymore. He puts the burden of ending wars, keeping peace, lowering tensions... on democracies defending aggressions from their totalitarian neighbors. The geo-political equivalent of victim blaming.
Right? Lmaoo
There would be no tension just like how there’s no tension around the immediate surroundings of America. After few decades of wars and coups and assassinations.
that would be identical to the US for the past 200 years, idk why in your mind the US should be in the South China Sea at all
@@Dell-ol6hb Because even IF we were to equate the two, the king 3000 miles away is much better than the king 3 miles away. Especially when that far-off power leans more towards commerce than outright annexation/occupation.
BTW, that's still not a reason for the US specifically to be there; it's just one of many reasons why Southeast Asia might choose to side with the US of their own free will.
Taiwanese prefer status quo because China has a law requiring them to invade Taiwan if they declare independence. If there is no issues with China then independence becomes a lot more favorable in Taiwanese polling.
Well the same thing for usa i don't things a state can be independant by law , taiwain is recongnized as one with china
Im sure the ROC is eager to let Kinmen and Matsu island unify with the PRC since they are mostly pro China
lol
3:28 "an effort of defense or aggression?" Lol its pretty clearly one of these and its not defense
We both said china at the same time assuming Johnny would too 😂
China does have tensions with the Philippines, as well as Vietnam. Hasan is a bit clueless on this one. He also either completely misunderstands or is intentionally misrepresenting our position on Taiwan. Our position has always been that Taiwan must decide to join China peacefully on their own and that we will not allow it to be taken by force. No part of that is an acknowledgement that Taiwan is part of China. In fact, its the opposite.
And Taiwan and Japan obviously(Japan as a whole has had border disputes with China over Islands for years). This take is getting to his Russia will not invade Ukraine tier... Taiwan(Prior Republic of China was our ally in WW2) And Japan has been in a defense pact with the U.S since the end of ww2 ( and yes i know caused by U.S and occupying Japan for their "Rebuild"). As far as your explanation all fits with what I know of the situation.
@@OfficerDva444 The Republic of China was allied to Nazi Germany until 1937
Philippines has been an US puppet-state since the US went to war against Spain for it
@@ernestokrapfmost normal tankie take
"Hasan is a bit clueless on this one."
That's an understatement tbh.
Yeah, no. Honestly, for everything else, Hasan is alright. There is just something about the support of a Chinese hegemony that doesn’t sit right for me. Maybe it is how much I know my family had suffered from the regime and the many terrors that many have experienced under the CCP. The 100 millions who were killed by the CCP and the people who are still being killed under the rule of the CCP. Compared to a capitalist nightmare USA is, China is much much worse. Everyone in China, who aren’t brainwashed, have an understanding of how horrible the government can be. A government that is willing to throw its people under the bus just to hold on to power and keep their authoritarian and draconian ways. A China hegemony means spreading that kind of ideal, the ideal of using absolute power to absolutely dominate its people, the ideal of an authoritarian capitalist society which would only lift a finger to support the so called “antitrust” ideals because they want to consolidate more power. The whole system is fked from top to bottom and a prospect of China being at the top is a scary one.
Then stop consuming us propaganda. What you are feeling is deep implant of self hating propaganda. 100 million killed? From cia book really? Did u even research for youself. Stop the self hating please
No audio boss man
You're too fast! RUclips likes to publish videos a bit before actually done sometimes, everything should be okay if you try again in a couple minutes :)
@@HasanReactionsfanTwo Sounds good now
Why are American journalists always surprised that there are Chinese near China….. why
I'm a brazilian communist and I can confirm that we indeed call North Korea "People's Korea"
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Lol. You Tankies also call Taiwan by its proper name!? The Republic of China? As a socialist, I very much doubt you’re an actual communist. Most of you are Left leaning fascist, “Tankies”.
@@moazamkhan shut up yankoid
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Hasan really should stay more up to date geopolitically, because his take on the South China Sea is just awful. The 9 dashed line dispute is what causes a huge amount of tension between China and its neighbors, with or without U.S. presence.
i agree 100% and also his takes on HK are also terrible, as someone who lives here he is just so wrong
his geopolitical takes are his best. you are just mad because it contradicts what you've been told your whole life
every maritimal claims in the South China Sea is a mess, it's not just China
@@jaekko2k he really isn't, Hong Kong is a part of China and the protests started to protect a murderer from facing justice, and even The Daily Mail confirms this
@@user-qd3dm7ut2n Or it just doesn't gel with our actual lived history, having actual family ties to the region.
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i got no sound...
You're too fast! RUclips likes to publish videos a bit before they're ready sometimes, everything should be okay if you try again in a minute or two :)
this is so frustraiting. hasanabi knows nothing about history nor geopolitics
I like this guy criticizing every reported and journalist. Yet he himself does not do any accurate journalism and criticize journalism without any evidence or their own journalism.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Manufacturing consent for a second Ukraine
ukraine? oh, it wont be nothing that small, don't be naive. this time usa will be directly involved. ukraine is just 0,3% of usa budget.
China basically owns everything in the whole . its like chess, china currently making relationship with africa atm. in the meantime what USA currently doing.
white people should have built expensive capitalist infrastructure all this time to africa too, like china, to help it develop. not just given food through united nations. what do you do after you eat the food? ask for more. you cant stand on your two legs. but united nations is not capitalist structure, so it could never do that kind of capitalist investments.
thats why africa has not progressed in the last 100 years, but it progresses with china.
There are people saying Hasans takes on this are bad..
Youre right, but actually list out why theyre so bad. Ill do the same.
Hasan says Taiwan wants to be autonomous, but doesn't want to "rock the boat." It sounds like you're saying that they are afraid of China turning them into glass.
Is that consent to you? Legitimate question, not rhetorical.
Japan is a democracy. In some ways worse than the US but in others better.
The US position on Taiwan is window dressing. It's better to say Taiwan is part of China and bolster their defenses than outright antagonism.
Personally, I found the problem with American imperialism in Latin America to be the spread of authoritarianism. If America was ACTUALLY spreading democracy, then I genuinely don't give a fuck.
The actual motivation of the US does not matter as far as the consequences.
The US may just want to protect their supply of microchips, but as long as it consequently defends a country from authoritarianism, it's a good thing.
Deontology is brain poison.
I lost Hasan when he said he is pro china like as a person from Hong Kong I actually can't see Hasan as the same person. Like china does have a ton of millitary bases like in Africa so it is kinda hypocritical. I thought you don't like the US and China as I do and you can't use whataboutism as your main argument I am against the US but from my perspective China has done wayyy more bad stuff like with the Uyghurs and just giving loans to poor African and asian nations just to have a sphere of influence in those countries. And don't fucking call the Philippines Japan and other US allies client states they are sovereign nations that became US allies just to be safe from China. Again both the US and China are bad but you can't support China just because your ideology is criticly against intervention. Like man I'm just sad that some intellectuals in the US go out on stream to thousands of streamers just to say they support China and other guys seeing this I really hope you don't just blindly support China just because he said smith.
hahahaha Fed mumbojumbo
@@user-qd3dm7ut2nwhat bro ok Hasan dickrider
wayyy more bad things than America?😂😂😂
I love how Hassan is incapable of understanding why Japan would care about Taiwan. It's about tsmc. It's also about China's. Very aggressive naval posturing. Japan has enjoyed the ability to basically not have to have a military because the US provides its defense. Also, if you pull the Japanese public, the people near the military bases hate having to deal with them, but the rest of Japan loves the military bases.
The chauvinistic attitude about the people who are actually there as having no agency is actually pretty racist.
None of this implies anything the US is doing is inherently good or bad. It is just the nature that the US interests align with other interests of the other nations in the region.
368 billion is free guys.
(Only if it's Australian Dollars though)
Hasan is correct when he says “there would be no tension without Americas presence.” Because China would be the only country in the region.
how many wars has china been in recently?
is this based on historical precedent or your feelings?
You think they wouldnt take the America route of just couping everyone nearby instead of invading?
Yeah Hasan definitely takes an L for that one, none of the countries in that region like each other so to say there would be tension even without the US is an incredibly cold take.
@@Lucarioguild7there would be far less tension as the nations would have to work diplomatically more. Here in Australia a lot of the major news outlets use think tanks funded by the US weapons industry to keep tensions high. It gets insanely jingoistic among the journalists class.
When did he say that ??
5:40 is he insinuating that the best alternative would be to let all countries in the south east pacific have their sovereignty crushed by china? only a couple of minutes in and I remember that this guy has the worst takes possibly ever.
"...only a couple of minutes in and I remember that this guy has the worst takes possibly ever"
this is literally the most online reply EVER... congrats.
Like a bunch of sovereignties that were crushed by the US/CIA?
did they not talk about BRS at all smh
Australia, spends almost 400 billion dollars in order to protect our trade routes from China, who is our biggest trading partner...
So we're spending 400 billion to protect our trade routes to China, from China.
SOME ¢UNT MAKE THIS MAKE SENSE LOLZ 🤣
What is this in reference to? Because Australia's annual defence budget sure as hell doesn't approach 400 billion, it's more in the region 30 bil.
@@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022 soz, that 400billion number comes from the nuclear submarines we're buying from the US (in order to accomplish my above point: securing our trade routes to China against the Chinese).
BTW, you'd know that if you watched the entire video, I Did a Thing and Boy Boy talked about it with Hasan.
What a moronic joke at the beginning. Turkey should be partitioned between the Armenians, Kurds and Greeks, I'm just saying.
US should be partioned for Black, Latino midwest germansn and Southern anglos.
TURKEY DESTORY ALL ARMENİANS KURDS GREEKS TURKEY ONLY TURKS NOT OTHERS.😊
I'm sorry but Hassan is just wrong from beginning to end on this topic.
Just ask the people from countries surrounding the south china sea like indonesia, vietnam etc if the us being there is a good thing.
China literally is a local bully over there (claimed EEZ etc.). The fact that the US behaved simularly in the past doeant make their involvement here bad.
Only America is allowed to bully other countries, ok got it
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Great guess we have to pay for the (Hopefully) not damaged
Didn't expect unironic Imperial Japenese apologia from Hasan 😂
Yeah the US totally should've just allowed their government to stay the same!! Hasan is so fucking smart.
'There would be no tension in the South China Sea if the US wasn't there' has gotta be up there as one of the dumbest international relations takes I've ever heard
True. I normally agree with Hassan, but he seems to think the US is the catalyst for all bad in the world. China would definitely be bullying its neighbors if the US wasn't there. The US is there NOW and they still are bullying smaller countries. This whole "US is a bully so they can't bully a bully" doesn't make any sense.
EXACTLY!!! I normally like hasan but wtf was that?? If America didn't exist every country would be best friends/No other country can stand up to China so its actually all peaceful and chill. Like hell that ended up being as US centric as neolibs
Yeah Hasan is being really weird with China
I like Hasan but he has a very shit understanding of Geo-politics involving China. I can't tell if he's being dumb or willfully ignorant.
It has to do with geopolitics, and yes there would be tension without the US. You see, Taiwan is the best chip producer which runs our world, it’s in your fridge tv phone computer radio microwave and more it’s called a microchip… or semi-conductor. Taiwan is the nationalist china, and prc is run by the ccp.
5:31 wtf? Taiwan??
37:20 I thought that the consensus was that Nukes would cause less casualties than a mainland invasion of Japan.
Convenient excuse isn't it. How did wars stop before we had nukes? If nukes are so good at stopping casualties why haven't we used them since then to stop wars of attrition? It was primarily a technique to shock the world and ensure the US took over Japan before the Soviets who were advancing. It's a convenient coincidence that arial bombardment and nuclear weapons have not been listed as war crimes. The main reason of course being that "we" did them the best so if we attempted to collar our enemies with such labels we'd be liable too.
The casualties were way down the list and we kind of need to be honest about that. We did what we wanted to for wider strategic reasons. We certainly would never have accepted this logic if it came from our enemies. Imagine if Japan argued that they were trying to frighten the Chinese into submission with the Rape of Nanjing? Is it only "reasonable" if it works? What sick things could one justify in hindsight if it "works".
the nukes were mainly dropped to deter the Soviet union from continuing to expand further west after WW2. They also wanted to see what the nuke did to people. Generals at the time have said that there was no reason to drop it. There a video by a RUclipsr called Shaun that goes further into depth.
@@dernddy I'll check it out, thanks!
@@northuniverse No problem! It's an insanely long video but he says the generals thoughts on the bombs dropping in the first 5 minutes if I remember correctly so don't be intimidated lol
Less *American* casualties. Y'know, the people that matter. The Japanese were about to capitulate. This idea of every last Japanese citizen commiting suicide attacks for every inch of japanese mainland is propaganda. No different from the "Soviet human waves" nonsense. The truth is they wanted a show of force, and sacrificed hundreds of thousands of civilians to make that happen.
Only American 'historians' claim otherwise. I wonder why...
I despise the US and it's military outreach, yet I'm "forced" to kowtow to them back home (Eastern Europe) and now in Taiwan, for protection from authoritarian regimes that have irredentist ambitions.
Why is the US Navy in the Pacific and South China Sea? Man you realise that China was the main beneficiary of the US Navy back in the day, having an essentially free navy to protect their trade routes. China would absolutely not be the global power it is now without free trade and globalisation, which was facilitated by extended US presence.
I love Hasan's social policy and economics takes, but he's just so fucking tone deaf on foreign affairs and geopolitics. The way Hasan argues his geopolitics points is like "well, the US does it so why not . They're both bad, and just because Japan and the Philippines are "client states" to the US, doesn't mean that they don't have a right to territorial waters and sovereignty over land (Senkakus, etc)
Typical western leftist, the us occupies all these nations, the west is the most evil destructive people on earth and you still believe in just advancing that hegemony at the expense of the global south.
Yeah you know the rest of the world doesn't hate you off vibes it's the real material circumstances of your "buzzword democracy" being more evil and destructive then any other force, god forbid people think "america bad right" and actually do something about it
Yup. The US isn't about to invade Taiwan to install a government hostile to the people's wishes...China is.
Famously, free trade and globalization didn't exist before the US invented it. It was an American invention!
bro has beef with australia
16:40 usa doesnt have democracy 18:00 (little before) downplaying crackdown on hongkong portests
Suggesting that there wouldn't be tension between Taiwan and China if the US was not involved is the most braindead, uninformed thing I have ever heard anyone say, ever.
The tensions would be long gone by now and there would be only one china
For free 😂
god, i know very little about these English speaking north America based progressive people, but sometimes it feels like even they forgot there's a people outside of their boundaries too. sKoreans always have to read the mood between CCP and America to survive, prevent the war, and then these people live outside keep talking nonsense of how we should sided with Japan + America or China + nKorea.
South Korea is literally an American puppet state like what? They never existed before America split them up. The three kingdoms period never extended into modern politics. There were no structural differences before NK and SK before America stepped in.
Because you have a country that supports a system enables exploitation.
This country has influenced every country around the world, some of them via coups, which this system become what it is today.
People complain about corporatism and where does that come from? Under capitalism.
America, under the influence of capitalism, backed by billionaires, has controlled countries that they have started coups and what comes next? Capitalists bringing their businesses and start influencing the country, exploiting people.
US led coup in Hawaii. I will never forget that.
@@robert2690and China?
@@Laeshen Are you being sKorean and saying these? It was America AND Soviet that stepped in here and split this land. It's not a propaganda, it was what happened. Kim's government almost conquered Korea until America interfering too. I'm not even denying President Lee was leaning to America, but blame America solely for how we divided, that's some actual propaganda stuff from nKorea. Also, "three kingdoms period never extended into modern politics"? Are you sure? Where do you think our regionalism based on? Yes, dictator used it for suppress democratic moves, but why do you think it worked in the first place? We even have a satire movie about how it impacts. Come on.
@@robert2690 I don't even denying what you said. My point is never "stop criticizing America because they are fine", it's about "stop normalizing the other imperial minded, authoritarian countries to criticizing imperial America". I'm sick of right wing, conservative blaming China for everything. But that doesn't stop me sick of to left wing, progressive people just blame everything on America.
“Why are we there?” To keep China from having control over TSMC, which is the producer of over 90% of world’s semiconductors. The US is home to the top three ‘designers’ of chips but Taiwan’s TSMC manufacturers them.
I was wondering if these guys were just completely ignorant of the significance of this. It seems they are completely ignorant of it and instead of seriously asking why these countries cared about Taiwan, they just made it out to be a huge meme and joke.
boyboy and Hasan are both lowkey tankies. Basically defending anyone who opposes America no matter the facts. For reference, refer to his dog shit takes on Russia's invasion on Ukraine.
I really do like hasan, but is he ever not sarcastic? I get being jaded about u.s foreign policy but we need the america deserved 7/11 energy for this