The 2023 Porsche 911 Carrera T Is a GT3 On a Budget
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2023 Porsche 911 Carrera T review! The new 2023 Porsche 911 Carrera T is the purist's Porsche 911 -- and today I'm going to review it. I'm going to take you on a thorough tour of the 911 Carrera T and show you all the quirks and features, and I'm going to drive the 2023 911 Carrera T and I'll review the Porsche 911 Carrera T driving experience.
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The 911, and porsche in general has by far the most complicated trim levels in the car business. It's absolutely ridiculous
Dodge would like a word
it's not ridiculous, everyone can choose what they want. (by everyone, i mean those who can afford them)
Have you seen the Porsche Cayenne?
have you seen Mclarens model lineup over the years they are worse
Naaa US Trucks are more complicated
Keep making 911 variants please, I need to afford one someday and vast quantities will ensure that lol
same lmfao
Crypto currency, and u can do it
@@danrook5757 does Doge count? Lol
@@danrook5757 lol buy some NFTS also
This bread aged poorly
That MC12 will be an awesome kickoff for Dougcember.
It already kicked off with the V6 Clio.
xD
Lol dougcember
Scratch another one off the list.
Can't wait!
This was such a good video Doug. I’ve been feeling the exact same way about the “enthusiast” crowd around these cars and what these cars have become lately. The gt3 is essentially unattainable and the entire market has been saturated with people buying these cars to flaunt their wealth as opposed to what they’ve always been, being the holy grail of the ultimate driver’s car. Hope to see more of their models start to trend this way in the future
Ok... But what about the carrera s
Exactly, why is Doug skipping over the S, especially since he’s never reviewed a manual one.
Even if people only buy them to flaunt their wealth, the Porsche GT cars are still the holy grail of performance
@@lasersailor6684 I believe he did review a manual S cab?
+Philorg Neopolotin
This is mainly a Problem in Countries where it's legal to do that for Dealers. Here it's not legal and we got several Porsche Dealers who on purpose sell even limited edition Porsche Models for MSRP and they also look into Customers who want to buy it to avoid "Private Carflippers" which luckily in Germany is easy to find out.
As much as i love a lot about Capitalism, i'm glad in Germany certain kinds of Capitalism is regulated to avoid a lot of the Greedy Nonsense that currently is a huge Problem in the USA, especially with Car Dealers.
In fact all the German Car Manufacturers are currently united in trying to find a way to not allow US Dealers get Cars from Porsche and then offer it for 2x the MSRP as it damages their Brand, which is true.
Prost & Cheers from the Berchtesgadener Land in the Bavarian Alps
At 11:54 Doug’s high-pitched voice spec rant was total gold😂👏
I was literally about the right the same thing but yeah it was hilarious🤣🤣
It's the equivalent of Jeremy Clarkson doing his adenoids-voice for Ferrari owners 🤣🤣
@@joebro391 Oh yeah that’s right I remember that now!😂👏
Mormon Temple @ 15:16
That’s why I just got the Cayman GTS. It’s 5 inches shorter then a 992 911 lighter overall has a 6 speed manual with naturally aspirated 4.0 liter motor and is a real 2 seater with rear cargo. I optioned out as much electronics as possible and love the analog gauges and physical tactile buttons. My 2022 spec came in at $90430 it is the perfect drivers car.
That makes so much more sense.
Amen
So you just couldn't afford a 911 huh?
@@StreetPreacherr. No actually I wanted a na motor and my dealership would not sell me a GT3. 😝
A thinking man's Porsche
i love the point doug touches on towards the end, re: the bar to entry of "cool" porsches progressively raising over the years, to the point where it's now "gt or gtfo", which is absolutely ridiculous. it absolutely has become a flex brand at the top end, where it's more about boasting you got the thing itself rather than actually enjoying it as intended- nowadays most gt3(rs) drivers care more about the social status/perception the car garners them more than anything. doug offers such a refreshing take on the 911 lineup and porsche as a whole- i love it.
Concur, but it's really not just a Porsche thing. Consider how many exotic cars are just immediately garaged and later resold -- years later -- with less than 1,000 miles on them.
"Enjoying it as intended"
On a track?
Agreed...I'm on an allocation for a GT4, that is optioned out. Back in 2015 you could acquire a GT3 for the same price its gotten to be a bit of a stretch.
I think Porsche has been like this for a while. The base cars are seen as wimpy but the top trims are badass. Remember watching a season 1 episode of Sopranos where there was a heated discussion about base Porches being pathetic compared to the higher spec ones.
"Which 911 would you like?"
"Yes."
What a hugely entertaining and ejoyable review Doug. Bloody wonderful. This coming from someone who has ordered a GT3 in yellow and yes with yellow seat stitching but not deviated stitching - whatever that is - I'll ask around at my next stitching meet. Due to arrive around Christmas from my UK Porsche dealer in Swindon, UK. You've made me think! Thanks, Simon
The best car reviewer always with another banger
Doug is the type of guy to have a cold and still gives us amazing content! Thanks Doug but please take care of yourself
Porsche never fails to deliver world class products.
And you can't see the world class engine you "paid" for... XDD I will stick to my Porsche 993 4s till death.
... for the 1%.
They do and they charge world class prices too. Tired of the attention to these high end cars.
@@Kalepsis maybe the boxer can be affordable
You mean to say “Porsche fails to deliver world class products.”
All 992s come with PASM standard. The T and above give you the option to spec PASM Sport which drops the ride height by 10mm with revised springs and dampers which also has a negative impact on ride quality.
underrated comment
Well done.
The backseats on a 911 looks important to me like if a rich parents kid just got bullied by not having a porsche they will prove them wrong
Great review Doug. Loved the ‘nice spec’ quip… so funny and so true.
100% agree! I drove an S and a T on the same day on a track. The T still hangs in my brain as the best car I've ever driven. The one I drove at the time even had the red door pull tabs to reduce weight. Coincidentally, it was the same canary color.
I drove both a T and S on a Porcshe track day, I’ll take the S. The Boxster GTS was the most fun.
Red door pull tabs 😂
Serious drivers car
It's good to see the old T designation. My first Porsche was a beautifully restored '72 911T. It wasn't as fast as the E or the S, but damn it was fun. 🙂
I think you forgot to mention there is a optional $7k aero kit that makes it look very similar to a gt3
Fun fact: In a survey of the ultra wealthy the 911 was found to be the most popular sports car to be in collections of owners who had more nine or more vehicles in their collection even if they had other very high end sports cars in their stables.
That’s how loved this design is. If I was blindfold in an empty lot I’d know I was driving one. Wish I had one.
It’s magic. Increasingly unaffordable magic, but the heritage of building these cars for driving is still there. They are serious cars for serious drivers still. Yes a dentist will drop a lot of cavity filling money on a Turbo S, but we still have GT3 and friends and they are basically cup cars that are street legal. Anyone logging miles on a GT3 has my respect.
There are those who drive cars to drive cars....then there are those that like to be seen in cars....i 100% agree with you Doug.....i like to drive cars.....i really could care less about how it makes me look....it could look like crap......if its fun to drive....i wanna drive it. Those old Porsche 914's were so much fun to be in, could drive on rails and corners so beautifully. My friends dad had one. My friend didn't care a whole lot about it, but i did. I would help him work on it, wash it. He'd take me out every so often in it. The memories of that makes me smile as a 43 year old to this day.
I bought one, its really fast, with pdk, sunroof, comfortabel Seats. Amazing roadtrip car. It can have a roofbox, and because there is no backseat, lost of storage space for road trips. Turbo engine perfect for Street use, lost of power in the low rpms, when you come out of a corner at 40 kmh, roundabouts etc.
Thanks so much Doug! You and Moto Man are the two I absolutely trust and obviously listen to when it comes to Porsche. To see your excitement in the Carrera T says it all. I appreciate your candid honesty and humour, especially the spec colour stitchinggggggg 😅 God bless you always Doug, Victor from Langley City, BC Canada 🇨🇦
Looks like a fun model! Have a 992.2 C2 Cab and love it, plenty of performance, agility, handling...and commute every day in it. Not a new money deviated stitching freak, for the record. I'm in my 50s, and been into 911s since I was a teenager (long before I knew what deviated stitching was 🤣), and come from a long line of petrol heads
No you don’t. There isn’t a 992.2 yet.
@@fatboymisk correct, I meant that I have the upgraded PCM which supports Android Auto, the earlier 992s did not support Android Auto. So, I think I just have the upgraded PCM. Thanks!
The Carrera T formula is spot on. I had a 991.2 T and was enamored with the driving characteristics. Looking forward to a 992 T.
No you didnt.
@@3rayallen do we know each other? I am thinking not…
I feel like the T is what the Carrera GTS should’ve been: a 911 that is focused on performance for the purist at a relatively good value, but imo the GTS has gotten too luxurious and expensive for what it really is.
expensive, I agree. But what I like about the GTS is how versatile it is. You can spec it be a track-focused car or just be a daily driver.
@ancient people Who’s to say you aren’t also a bot? Trust no one.
What color is yours?
Yeah the prices have become insane. Even the T is ridiculous at 144k for a correctly optioned car. The GTS and CS are amazing cars, but it's just comical to me that they are over 150k to spec one out the way it should come from the factory for it's starting price. I love me a 992 but because the new ones cost so much and are so hard to get, my dream garage has become a 981 GT4 and a 997 or 991 C4S or Turbo for a daily driver.
A GTS with rear seat delete, carbon buckets and manual is the same car but more power.
A Carrera T with a manual is all you ever need! My Carrera T is spec'd perfectly...need the rear seats though for the boy!
I never knew Doug used to work at a Ferrari dealership at 17!! That's the dopest job anyone could have at that age.
I was looking for reviews of this car yesterday and thought to myself 'man.. Doug should review this.' And here we are. Keep up the great work!
Loved the video! Thanks for the fun review
Doug, it's possible to care about BOTH driving dynamics AND the appearance. The Carrera T would be my ideal 911...but it's only available with a boring black interior. For $120K+, I should be able to have both a great driving experience AND a nice looking car.
Yep- I traded my GT4 to a dealer for a 911 T allocation. Why? The GT4 is a true track car - noisy to the point where I started wearing earplugs and too hard to get into and too small inside besides. I am 6’1” and 250 lbs - so there is that. But it is not a 911. In a 911 I can slide the seat back to where my feet don’t touch the pedals. In a 911 the dashboard is far away from you and the cabin is very inviting. The electronics are all state of the art- standard lab for example/ and a huge screen but the gt4 is old seven years ago design. And the gt4 rides hard all the time. While the 911 in comfort mode is just that comfortable- but in sport and at over 4,000 rpm it is a screaming race car. The gt4 is always harsh and hard - always.
And this new T is fun to drive with a manual with downshift matching capability. So sort of like an automatic.
And by the way the base engine is superb. It has smaller turbo blades than say the S or GTS - so the base engine spins up instantly - no taking a deep breath like the s or GTS does when you plant your foot down on the pedal on your he freeway or hitting a straight on a mountain road.
The sport mode with this base engine makes fantastic back fire and popping noises when down shifting which get louder over time as the engine breaks in. A fantastic sound but the darn GT4 just howls but no pops and bangs etc- ever. The engine in the gt4 just kind of drones away - not pleasant to my ears.
The GT4 is designed to be driven for short periods of time on a track - but is too expensive and too pretty to chip and ding on a track. The T is designed to drive on a twisty country road or a mountain road which is where all us Porsche guys really drive our cars with our local porsche club.
And it is the “real “ Porsche - a 911 not a baby Porsche like the cayman.
I do also own a 718 Boxster GTS and that is more fun to drive than the GT4. So trading the GT4 was easy emotionally - and I also get a new car.
Big question - Python green or GT Silver?
Try a 981 Boxster GTS.
python green or shark blue
I've been a Porsche lover since I was in my early teens and got my first 911, a 78 SC, at 20 in 2003 but I haven't really cared about an 911s since the 996 or maybe the 997. I was very lucky to be able to drive lots of Porsches starting at 16. My first experience with a 996 was when it first came out and I originally thought that was too big and soft but I had just gotten out of a 930 so that might have had something to do with it. I've come to really like the 996 and now have a C4 Cab. I still like the air cooled cars more but the 996 is wonderful. I'm very glad I watched this video because I might just take a look at a T when before watching I mostly glossed over any new 911 stuff. I'm not sure I can bring myself to spend even that much on one but maybe the Porsche stitching buyers won't care about this and they will drop on the used market 🤔🤞
This car is $16k more than our 2022 C2S with manual transmission and we have some custom features. A lot of dumb options are the difference. Carbon buckets are not only uncomfortable and expensive, they don’t fold forward so you lose access to all space in the back. The folded down rear seats when there give you a place to put suitcases. Large suitcases will fit. Carbon fiber roof is a total waste of money. It saves like ten pounds-for $7,000. Deviated stitches are also stupid.
Can't wait for the MC12 review! If I were to get a more expensive sports car, it would be a 911 hands down.
Looking very much forward to the first 911 T deliveries!
O my days... the yellow with the black badges go so well together!!
Hilarious critiques and spot on 👏🏼
I now found a new 911 model I like, thanks for the great video!
Very interesting take by Doug here. Love his last line on which Porsche cars he would get despite the scoring.
Ayoooo, he finally got the MC20! He can finally cross that off his list of cars he wants to review
I like Doug's voice crack on the "this" really makes it special. Let's try more variations please!
had a tear in my eye watching this. Just got my allocation on this today. Thank you for what you do..
Good idea Doug for using an MC12 during the cars&bids ad. I actually listened to it for once!
Man those seats are more than my entire car lol
Why do I feel like Doug was subtly taking shots at Nick Murray with the stitching enthusiast line lol
I love when Dog demuro features Cars and Bids raising and moving his arms, he's like an inflatable dancing doll and frankly I love it, he just needs to look at the sky while raising his arms to make it look cooler. Caars and Bids, baby!
Great review, Thank you!
Drivin' a yellow porsche through the mountains, no access to the engine, the world's most uncomfortable seats, listening to Peabo Bryson.....doesn't get any better than that.
Realistic dream car, cannot wait to spec one out
I think it looks great, very sleek looking without the spoiler too.
@@volvo09It’s got a gorgeous spoiler !
It comes up with speed or driver option on the setup screen.
I'm almost 56, and I'd be getting driver's version! I've been in love with Porches, since I was about 10. hold the leather package and the rear seats. I'll be at the track if you need me...
Clio v6, carrera T , mc12 in the cars and bids Ad. Finally dougcember baby
Doug, I don't understand why you don't appreciate the back seat. I know you're one child is just a baby, but when your child is 3 to 7 years old, you're going to enjoy bringing them with you in your enthusiast car. As are they!
Also Doug, I realize your exceptionally tall, so there's no room behind you for even a kid to sit, however, I assume your partner is not as tall as you and you can fit a child behind the passenger seat
@@joshpinchuk7061 Also Doug, by placing your baby behind the passenger seat in such a small car, you are able to easily clean up any saliva or mucus by yourself when the inevitable happens, even if it's rear facing!
True or a Dog along with you and the wife. Not everyone has kids especially when they can afford to own a new 911. They usually are the ones with NO Kids or kids raised and gone.
These are actually affordable on the used market (100k) comparatively to other new 911 modes and most likely gonna be one I end up picking up in a few years
The 991.2s? Yeah, they're only going for 10% over their original MSRP after 4 years 😂
@@jmdixon1 102k for base model before destination and ttl, ill admit not cheap by any margin but not all what you're describing.
@@jonc7371 Well, since we're a bit nebulous about options, I'll tell you what I've been looking for: 2018+ 911 Carerra T with a manual... cheapest one on AutoTrader in the US right now is 107K with 12K miles. They only go up from there.
@@jmdixon1 manual changes things, everybody wants those!
If everyone on RUclips keeps talking about how great these “T”’s are the price will inflate. Honestly I’ve been looking for one lately and they are more like $110k depending on options, some are at or close to $100k, but there aren’t very many used ones for sale and most have the stupid PDK like Doug said they would. people are holding them hoping they will appreciate would be my guess. This might be my only hope of buying a 911, the used GTS models are going for big money, and I prefer this more stripped down model with performance options. I pray PORSCHE makes this model for a couple more years, so they don’t become some stupid ‘collectors’ model….
13:18 There's a Saab 900 Turbo in the back making a left turn. Love seeing these in random videos.
0:00 Thissssssssssss
0:33 Cars & Bids
1:20 He's begging to use your car
1:27 Quirks & Features
11:16 The Drive
15:43 Conclusion
16:15 Doug Score
Lame
@@donaldsalkovick396 shouldn't talk about yourself that way.
13:18 Saab 900
Can you find and count the number of times he takes jabs at Nick Murray, in the video? ;)
Doug is so funny... the rolexes and the spec! love it
Loved the video!
Excited for Dougcember! Bring it on
The Carrera t is for true 911 drivers who know you don't need all of that other stuff that cost you tens of thousands more for minimal real life difference in experience
Doug is the type of guy to make an opening bid of $911 on a Porsche 911.
Doug is the type of guy to wear the Porsche branded shirt under the Porsche branded jacket....while wearing the Porsche branded driving gloves.
Doug is the type of guy to say "boy, how about that heat?", when it's 110°F outside, and 98% humidity.
@@TangoCharlieAlpha lol
@@TangoCharlieAlphaunfunny
@@Truoa Looks like SOMEBODY is a Doug fanboy.
People's overuse of the word "spec" over the past few years drives me nuts. Thank you for calling it out. The world of driving is more than just how things look on Instagram.
Fantastic video. Thanks for sharing
Fantastic review, Doug... 991.2 T MT driver. Nailed it.
Considering trading your narrow body for the new one?
Probably not. Can't spec it like I did mine (love my deviated stitching! 😉) and there doesn't appear to be too much performance gain/not as much special sauce this time, based on reviews. I also prefer the 991.2 rear a little more. But when I get to drive one and do a direct compare, we'll see...
@@TheEmpiredown Interested in hearing your thoughts after driving one. I'm currently considering stepping down from my 991.2 GT3 for a car I'll reach for the keys more often for. Cross-shopping Ts, GT4s / Spyders. Trying to find something that'll give me ~90% of what the GT3 provides. Rough estimate lol
which color?
Cool cars. I always thought they looked like tree frogs about to jump. THEY NEVER CHANGE THEIR STYLE..... EVER!!!!! 😄😆
it would be cool to get a poison dart frog paint job
@@Clarkeisawesome lol creative for real! Cool man.
3 minutes, a REALLY nice 911, and that MC12!
awesome video!
Keep in mind with an ecu tune these “base” 911s are able to reach over 500hp and also over 690nm so they’re actually a really good car
I can see this car being the starting point for a lot of tuners.
I’m looking forward for that MC12 review
I had a 991.2 Carrera T. Amazing car, especially for the money (barely over $100k out the door). The 992 T looks great also. Just wish you could get a 6speed and PCCBs.
I can't imagine spending $150K on the Carrera T and not spending $200K on the GT3RS.
I don't know if the Sport Classic has already arrived on US shores, but I'd say that's the ultimate 992 911. It's got great styling, thanks to what is essentially the Turbo/S body (but isn't ostentatious like a GT3), the Turbo/S engine, making it more powerful than most 992s, it's RWD and only comes with a manual. BUT, it's crazy expensive.
Not only that, but good luck finding one that hasn't been marked up to hell because of the "exclusivity" of it. I have a Turbo S because I want it to look nice and can fun with it by also taking it to the track or go through the canyons when it's relatively empty as well. If I want a manual car, I can buy either an old Porsche or any other manual car and take it to the canyons/track. There's something for everyone but the Carrera T is a nice substitute if you want something new and with a manual only.
@ 7:30 dang Doug just roasted all y'all watch snobs 🤣
I agree with Doug completely 100% it’s all about how the car drives!
Thank you for calling out all the posers!!! Exactly right right about stuffy spec owners!! Want the pure fun 911 993 driving experience!
I like Porsches, and I’d take one any day, and maybe I’m not well versed enough with the brand but it just seems like they release so many different variants with minimal changes. Guess that means there’s a Porsche for every application
I guess I’m not enough of an enthusiast, but I genuinely can’t visually tell the difference between any Porsche 911 made within the last 10 years.
I like it that way
@@markm0000 eh sometimes me either, plus some porsche enthusiasts are very weird with this topic of discussion or discussion in general.
Thanks for filling out the Porsche Lineup Hierarchy viedos!
The color grading between the two cameras is killing me Doug!
"Reasonably practical (unless, of course, you decided to delete the rest seat)"
Couples without children or any intention to raise children: "Are you kidding? There's more cargo space to carry things that way! We also don't have to let our friends ride in it."
I wonder what the dealer markup will be on this car. This is the 911 I'd want next to my 993. I agree with you on the way this one was "speced "as well! :)
How does porsche keep giving legendary and class leaders ❤❤. Another legend and class leader yet again .
This car with the full Porsche aero kit is one of the absolute best looking cars on sale.
Can someone tech savvy please make a supercut of Doug's impression of Porsche owners?!?!?!?
I feel like a 911 no-option GTS would be a better option than a a Carerra T with all these options.
As a kid in the 90s I loved watching the 911 turbo R's go down the road.
Love your statements about spec. You are right on point.
12:34 It's about the driving, not the spec... ❤
Doug: Hates on Porsche people for spec obsession.
Also Doug: This specific spec is the best spec!
Here for Doug’s high pitched voice imitating Porsche owners.
I’ve got a 2020 992 S manual and it’s an amazing drive if you’re an enthusiast this would be a great car for you. Their driving ‘features’ definitely overlook their quirks. Main quirks in the 2020 are rattles but the dealerships are handling pretty well. Imagine they are working on those.
I remember buying my 991.1 turbo for the same amount 8 years ago. Porsche prices are becoming ridiculous
This. Even the base carrera is over 100k now
U probably paid reduculous price
After this review I'm left wondering what the point of this trim level actually is. It's only marginally less expensive than the Carrera S, but the Carrera S offers everything the Carrera T has, but it also has more equipment standard (which you can also get deleted as no cost options if you want the weight savings) and has almost 70 hp more.
The one difference that you can feel is that the turbine wheel in the turbo of the base 911 equates to less spool/lag than the S and 4S. The base motor drives better than the S... and a tune on the base motor is about 500hp with tune only. It's an excellent platform for modifications. Stock... the base motor is the perfect blend for flogging. It's not die either, magazines are getting the base pdk cars to 60 in 3.3-3.5s
@@karkoncierge7585 I work as a technician at a Porsche dealership and due to the variable vane geometry of the turbos I would not say that the turbos spool any faster in a base, in fact due to the factory tuning I'm pretty sure (although not certain) that the turbos spool faster on an S. Either way in no world would I want the base engine over the S. You can have someone tune it but that's expensive to have done right and you lose your factory warranty and I really wouldn't mess with that kind of thing on a brand new car. All that being said, anyone who complains about the power on a base 911 is just wrong, the 3.0l turbo is just an awesome engine, heaps of fun and if you find a used base 911 outside of warranty a tune could be an easy way to get some extra kicks
@@karkoncierge7585 you think Porsche is going to openly admit that the more budget tier engine has certain more desirable characteristics?
@@JaykobStevens there is definitely a difference in lag. Driving them back to back you can feel it. The S motor is not super laggy, but it's definitely more so than the base. Also a tune is about 1000-2000 and one of my local dealers offers GIAC and Cobb.
@@yungrichnbroke5199 definitely will not. But that's not what it's about, they have a 911 tailored to most drivers needs.
Not sure if I will tune or upgrade turbos in the future, but I LOVE how much I was able to customize my 911 T order. Each of the models have a legit purpose and feel. 2 months to go.
You can tell when dougs voice cracks saying, "THIiiISSsss", he is very excited.
Surprised Doug didn't compare this with the 911 GTS, considering he also said that was a perfect middle road of sportiness between the carrera and the gt3. Would like to have heard his thoughts on comparing them.
GTS is to Carrera S, what the Carrera T is to the Carrera. This is basically a GTS without the S engine. I've heard from various people that the base engine is actually more responsive and fun to ring out than the S/GTS.
I love the 911. My favorite car! So many options. So many expenses. So many expensive options!
11:50 Doug calling people out😂 must be amazing to drive 💯
So, to get Doug's "Pure Driving Enjoyment Score", I just need to add the Handling, Fun Factor, and Quality (and possibly add points for the lower it is in Cool Factor)? Now I have to watch several of Doug's videos over again.
I agree, my 996 4s is so much fun! Small, enough power and the stick which all makes it such an emotional driving experience!
Thank you Doug. You made the point and I do agree to what you said. Even over here in Germany it’s the same issue. The cars are getting larger and heavier. The real driving doesn’t matter anymore. 😊👍🏻