Porsche 992 Carrera review. Is the base 911 Carrera a better buy than the Carrera S?
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- The new 992 version of the 911 is the most technologically advanced yet but is the regular 385bhp Porsche Carrera actually a better buy than the 450bhp Carrera S? You save £11,500 by going for the regular 911 Carrera over the Carrera S and in this video, I look into which version is the best one to buy.
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At last someone does a review on a base 911 Carrera and it's Harry. Couldn't be any better.
+1. .. Harry's perspectives are food for thought. .. The man knows these machines! .. Thank you, Harry.
I also reviewed it myself, but I still don’t have Harry’s charm on camera 😅
@@DriftingSquirrel i watched yours btw..good job man!
@@ahmedshinko5142 thank you mate!!
@@michaelschneider- he's not a paid reviewer like the others
I just love the look of meatier tires at smaller rims
Me too
Small wheels matter!
Times Up for twenties!
Agreed. Always preferred the more basic looking 911's - I really like the '80's impact bumper model with narrow body and no rear wing.
To me 17” are perfect for most cars. I hate 20”-22” because with most low profile tires you get no suspension action from the tire.
Dearest Harry and family, Thank you so very much for all the time you’ve spent this year (When you have other things to worry about) sending your fabulous videos 😊🙏😊🙏Merry Christmas 🎄
@Tim Edwards. .. Ditto that. .. Cheers, Vail, Colorado
“Not a long video” *checks video length: 17mins* sigh of relief
I did the exact same thing! 😂
James Harding
Me too 😂
me
I have debated this with myself (and others) for years now. I genuinely believe that the best looking Carrera is the simplest base model. No wings, slots, scoops, splitters, nothing.........just let the design speak for itself. Having said that, I think the best looking Carrera of recent years is the 911R from a few years ago - but that was the simplest of 911 design shapes too.
Three sentences, three uses of "I." Ugh.
Made yourself look a right bellend there John good one
@@johnsmith1474 two sentences, made the mistake too.
@@johnsmith1474 Why did you feel a need to be so pedantic ?
True..The scoops, vents, splitters etc just look daft. I don't think Porsche have made a truly beautiful car since the 993...maybe the 997 4S. This thing to me is another pig of a thing, I cannot stand that rear light.
People can’t afford the car: I want manual
People who buy the car: PDK please
@@dr.lyleevans6915 I believe anyone using their bank account as an argument for authority should shut the f ck up. Especially when that bank account is filled with drug money.
Manual = I am a bore.....
@@jochem1986 its legal out there pal ..
Only 3 pedal 911s for me. No interest in PDK whatsoever.
@@dr.lyleevans6915 I grossed almost 4 figures
Harry is the only person I see that can drive around in Porsches and Lamborghinis and not sound superior. Hard to carry that off and remain so popular. Its what's called class I think.
Facts
He is a nice classy man
Rather hard sell for this when a Cayman GTS 4.0 is a bit less and way more special overall.
Easier sell to your wife with the back seats though.
I have not tried a GTS 4.0 or a 992 but I always have preferred driving a 911 over a boxster purely due to the drivetrain layout. In my opinion the rear engined 911 experience is just more fun and engaging than mid engined cars.
911 cabin space it way more practical day in day out.
Also this applies only taller people but if you plan to go on track make sure you can fit inside a Cayman with a helmet on. A helmet adds many inches to your torso height. If you can't fit in a Cayman you might need to get a 911. I can easlly roadtrip in my friends C6 corvette. But doing 3 laps on track with my head tilted at an angle against the roof felt down right claustrophobic.
@@memememine1 Watched Jay Emm On Cars this morning, he reviewed a GT3 RS. He mentioned the car feeling more mid engine versus the traditional feel of the motor way out back. Maybe not as large of a distinction anymore?
Strange that they don’t offer it with a manual.
i suspect so the tuners can't make cheap 911 R out of it
They must have a few PDKs to shift, manually.
Perhaps they’re saving that combo to differentiate a 911T down the line.
Yet you can get the Carrera S with a manual. Strange move I agree.
It's not strange because the Carrera S is the mainstream enthusiast's choice and therefore attracts more potential manual gearbox buyers
Always a pleasure to see a new upload from Harry.
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Looks lovely in white too, Not many cars carry white well but this is one.
I agree. White is normally a colour I only associate with vans, not nice cars.
That's facts
Im 35 after 15 years hard work im buyung me 992 in Germany.
Really appreciate how you start the videos off with a decibel meter test. Often overlooked because these are "sports cars". After driving 5 hours yesterday in our 2006 Boxster S my ears are still ringing this morning. Feels like I flew in a plane for 18 hours....
absolutely agree!
Just what I needed for a Sunday evening - another one of Harry's videos. Great content as always. Thank you so much.
Fawning comments aren't necessary. Press the like button if you like someone's content.
@@mortyme4593 was no way intended to be a fawning comment, but wanted to let Harry know that I really appreciate the time and trouble he goes to to provide the content that he does. Compared to the majority of car reviewers on you tube his delivery of his reviews is very calm and logical which makes them very enjoyable to watch.
@@mortyme4593 Derogatory comments are unpleasant, and your opinion is overbearing.
@@DABroke My mistake.
@@unclewilbur8976 Toughen up.
I always want to know what Harry thinks of a car 🚗. Honest opinions
I came here wondering which 911 model is the one to go for and I'm leaving still confused. I've always thought of the 911 as an everyday useable car and a GT tourer, but the cabin noise highlighted etc. has me rethinking a 911 at all. As many things are subjective I'd try driving one, however Harry's opinions and observations usually are pretty much spot on.
When Harry first mentioned "he's back in the 80s" after setting off, my first thought was he was referring to the decade.
It took me three views and your comment to get it.
I thought he had suddenly found himself going rather quickly
No one reviews base cars and I am glad you do! Keep up the vids Harry 👍
The base 911 isn't so "base" Lol
Harry,
Please review a Lexus LC500. Love to know what you think of the Japanese take on fast GT cars.
Thank you.
My (limited) experience with Japanese sports cars (1991 Supra twin turbo) is that they're simply not up to European standards, particularly in terms of ride and 'feel' on the road. I just felt isolated from the action and despite the ability to travel quickly, was left feeling that it was just a machine to get from A to B rather than an organic experience enabling me to feel at one with machine and road. Clearly built with the American market in mind since manufacturing began.
Exhaust reminds me of 997 turbo.. I think I prefer these to the sport tips!!
They look way better.
Greetings from the USA Harry. Enjoyed your video and wanted to say that I went through a similar deliberation process before ordering my 2017 Carrera. Having driven both the base and S model, I ultimately decided to go with the base model, and spend the extra money on options like a full red and black leather interior, which goes well with the white car. Not being a track guy I felt that the base had adequate power for my needs.
Wishing you all a very Merry Christmas and an end to this bloody virus.
The “virus” was bullshit.
I’m sure you all know that now… You were lied to.
How’s that feel?
Could it be reduced sound deadening at the rear? Unlocks some engine noise at cost of cabin refinement. I vaguely recall a story many years ago of engineers desperately chasing noise out of a car, then realised that carpeting the boot made a huge difference. Anyway, great point about the mounts/bushes too, that'll also do it. Interesting video content as usual, cheers.
Love that you bring up sound deadening at the rear. Very likely culprit. I’d also be curious to see, like Harry mentioned, different tires on the car. I’m assuming that Porsche offers these test cars with winter tires at this time of year. That could be part of the issue as well.
Harry can you get one in with the insulated glass for a quick DB comparison?
Great vid. My wife had a 991.2 base manual and it was all the car you needed in the UK real world. Just a shame no manual option on the base 992
I’d take a base 911 any day..
With all of these cars if just get the base version. It's the best bang for buck.
Not without a manual unfortunately
Id take a carrera s any day
@@xj_220 it's too expensive, you can easily get the same horsepower out of this one if you really wanted to.
@@dragospahontu nah modified fars dont last anything
Bravo for not ignoring the base model and a great, open, honest review as always. Keep the videos coming 👍
Good video thanks Harry. I presume the ride is still firm? I recently changed from an F Type S to a new 992 Carrera S having driven a C2S at Porsche Silverstone track then test drove one on the road but in the rain. Having owned it for a couple of months, two things that stand out (as you mentioned) are the poor ride over even slightly bad surfaces and loud road noise - more than my F Type which I didn't expect. The soundtrack is pretty dull too and not particularly nice when revved hard - again I'm comparing this to an F Type which wasn't loud unless you gunned it. I guess it's the 'Porsche' sound which I wasn't used to and, surprisingly, as you point out the car doesn't feel every day usable. Other than that it's good car and seriously quick, somewhat better built than the F Type which turned out to be one of the worst cars I've ever owned from a build quality and reliability point of view (without exaggeration it had more than 15 different problems in the 4 years I owned it).
You can hear the amount of road noise even from the video. Seems like they've really missed a trick for everyday driving.
Great video, Mate! I have to agree, the road noise in most newer 911s is just too much. I own a 991.2 GTS, 7 speed manual. The car is amazing however, my only complaint is tire noise. I replaced the original spec Pirellis with Michelin PS4s shortly after taking delivery, hoping to reduce tire noise but the improvement was barely noticeable. In their long list of options, Porsche should offer the choice to add additional sound insulation to reduce the annoying tire noise. I would have ticked that box for sure!
Regarding the 911’s performance focused engine mounts and suspension joints; I don't believe they contribute to road noise, or if they do, it’s insignificant. Those components would lead to firmer road manners and/or ride quality though Porsche now offers dynamic engine mounts to partially address that. I’m pretty sure most of the noise comes from a combination of wide tires and lack of sound deadening. Cheers from Oregon, USA!
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There is a new noise insulated glass option for 2021 models. Could you please do a test? Thanks.
I have the light, noise reducing glass.
You’d never know it !!
I think the fact that the base Carrera isn't available with a manual transmission is down to emission regulations. Car manufactures have to pay more money to the EU if their fleet is above a specific CO2 limit. A manual car is less fuel efficient than a PDK car and thus they would have to pay more money to the EU. A base Carrera would probably be quite popular as a manual and therefore this would significantly impact their fleet CO2 emissions.
That is my guess too. 👍
They just wanna sell the T when it comes out…
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The SUN, is mostly responsible. And Earth is CYCLICAL. It’s called WEATHER. The only difference nowadays, is today we have GRIFTERS called MARXISTS, SOCIALISTS, COMMUNISTS, FASCISTS, all vying for higher taxes to line their pockets with. It’s all about CONTROL, and control is POWER.
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Very sad you dont get the manual option...BIG mistake
I like this guy. He’s like a nice version of my dad.
Tell us about your dad.
@@blondiebxl He's old, bald and has a beard. Knows a lot about cars (was a mechanic before becoming an engineer) but we don't really get along. wbu?
Imagine a ClubSport version of this, with a manual gearbox and 100kg less weight!!
hope will be the 992 carrera T. Would like to know how they'll manage the Radio Delete option!
Sadly they won't make that mistake again :(
Neither, you go for the 718 GTS! :)
Not a fan of that silly gear change toggle. That alone would be enough to put me off getting the PDK.
Harry, Porsche has an option for 911, it's called Lightweight and Noise Insulated Glass.
I suspect they introduced this option for a reason. I would get it in a base 911.
Nice review as always.
Does anyone have feedback about this option? My understanding is it may not change all that much.
I have it on my 2023 Carrera…..I don’t think it does much.
The car is loud……that’s the price you pay for perfection.
We need more project 7 content !!!
I agree! We had big plans in 2020 but CV restrictions meant it couldn't happen, here's hoping 2021 might be kinder to the idea of EU travel but hard to plan anything right now..
For me, the base 911, is the best day to day use and mainly the best Porsche to buy. Thank you Mr.Harry for yours magnificients reviews.
Looks like they’re reserving the manual in the base model for the future Carrera T. If you’re tracking it then you’re better off with the Carrera S, which has the larger brakes and Porsche Torque Vectoring (not available on the Carrera) which makes a difference.
Good on you Harry for highlighting the road noise, I find it very tiring on long journeys and its detrimental to your hearing too. My Dad used to work at MIRA many moons ago and it was one of his bugbears. He said that its all to do with weight saving and fuel economy, thus not sufficiently insulting the car. You could always Dynamat it yourself!
Hi Harry, about the cabin noise in both of the 992's you tried, I noticed that they have an option on their configurator called "Lightweight Noise Insulated Glass". You should see if Porsche can give you a car with this option installed, to see if it makes a difference.
wonder they don't then offer a sound-absorbing wall, some sound-absorbing materials in the torpedo wall wheel arches exetra.
Absolute disgrace no manual option on the carrera.-Quite happy to keep mt 997 on 18 alloys and M030 suspension option.
Always appreciated the base Carrera, glad to see it getting an airing.
The reason there is so much road noise as there is in the 718 also, is because the inner wheel arches are plastic where as those in the Macan etc are felt. This makes a huge difference
I love that Harry is hammering home about the road noise. I bought a 981 Cayman S 7 years ago, still have it today and love it. However, on poor UK road surfaces it's so obnoxiously loud that it almost spoils everything. I would happily sacrifice some performance for a reduction in the cabin noise. I was actually considering a 992 Carrera as my next car but most certainly won't be buying one if the noise is the same. I know people say that it's a sports car, it shouldn't be quiet. However engine noise is one thing, 80-90db tyre roar on a motorway is just obnoxious and makes it so unpleasant, I'm a one car kind of guy too.
Funny thing, I was hoping a 991/992 was going to be a lot quieter than my base 997.1 - perhaps they aren’t 😢
Personally, if I could afford a 911 of any variant I'd choose the base model for everyday driving. You get more chances to floor it more of the time.
Agree 100%!
I’d be tempted by the S, just to get the manual gearbox. The Carrera T could be worth waiting for.
Yes its more fun to drive a slow(er) car fast than a faster car slow. Not that the Carrera HP numbers are anything to grouse about.
I'd only go for the gt3. If I were to spend 6 figures on a car, it needs to be special. the entry level trim of a car that's sold literally a million examples is not going to be special.
@@DonLee1980 Trouble is unless you are a very "favoured customer" there is no way you will get an allocation for a new GT3 since the speculators moved in.
Base price has now shot up from £82k to £97k before options!
How long do you think before it reaches SUV size ?
It couple generations. It is already chunky boi.
@@KreKeriS911 although good looking, i'm starting to lean to the 718. The 718 now also has the only special interior (although old) the 911 interior is an exact copy of Macan Cayenne and Panamera, which I hate. When you buy something like 911, it must be special inside, more than practicality.
I guarantee you the rolling noise in this car is because of the Pirelli P Zero tyres - they're absolute toss.
Put it on some Goodyear F1 Asymmetric or Michelin Pilot Sports and I bet it'll become much more liveable.
It's 900 quid and you shouldn't need to spend it but I wonder if "Lightweight and noise insulated glass" would help?
@edwowen. .. +1. I'll second the optional "Lightweight & Noise Insulated Glass" .. Our new Kombi has this "Double Insulated Glass" option. .. Its library quiet.
I want one. I think there is something very cool about having the base/standard '911' of our times without all the various spec options and machinations that pollute the rest of the range.
even a base 992 is more car that 99.9% of people will ever own and drive.... what a beast!
Just spec the lighter noise insulating glass then.
In line with James Mays dislike against Nurburg ring-development and testing.
Porsche has got the optional lightweight glazing with laminated glass and acoustic film on the front, door and rear window for the 911. Does it do the job? Not a cheap option however.
With the utter garbage coming out of BMW’s styling department these days, a Porsche may be in my future. Thanks for the helpful consumer advice!
I have the base 911 Carrera and am very happy with just that ! ❤🙌🏻😊
Cars are so good these days, base models are therefore nearly always the pick of the bunch. Love the Carrera.
Buy the best Porsche you can afford. Do that and you can't go wrong.
I love the 5pm Sunday slot for a new HG video. Developing the same feeling of anticipation I used to have for 8pm top gear. Please keep up the good work and all the best for 2021.
Thanks, I used to aim for a 5:30pm launch but seeing how dark it is at this time of year, I moved it back slightly to 5pm. Maybe I'll have to review timings again when we hit summertime and the clocks go back an hour!
Press cars are so often the loaded versions. Fascinating to see a "base" model on test. I look at the Porsche options list and wonder "Do I need PASM? Sports Chrono? Am I missing out? Is the base model a huge loss experience-wise?" Loading on the options worsens depreciation. I feel like I could live with "A 911".
The 911 really has evolved beautifully, a stunning beauty.
One of the reasons I stopped driving a 911 was the noise. It was a nightmare having to pull over to take calls and also I couldn't sit on con-calls while driving. Basically wasted hours a week. That they relegates the 911 to a weekend car and there are better choices.
I’d be interested to see how the noise insulating glass might impact the noise.
good point, however based on my experience driving one its coming from the rear wheels. people used to dynamat that area in the previous models
Another great video Harry - thank-you.
I do like this base vehicle - however I would never buy one in Australia.
This base Porsche 911 is insultingly over-priced for antipadeans. I just can't see the value at AUD$280,377 drive-away. This is equivalent to a UK purchase price of £157,450. (Conversion rate as at Nov 2022)
80DB? That's very high for just normal road noise. Would be interested to know how loud it is in the Countach at highway cruising speeds?
Bruh, the rear tires at so fucking wide it is normal road noise for these tires
There has got to be a quieter specification tire available, or one would hope.
That amount of noise would be pretty annoying .......maybe it is quieter on German roads.......swapping out the Pirellis for Michelin's may help
Great video thanks for posting. A while back I test drove a 997 turbo and loved it. It had the wider tires but didn't notice excessive loud tire roar/road noise. Since I liked the wide body but not the price I went with the 997 4s. Great car and really enjoyed it except for one thing: it was very loud in the cabin :) The tire roar was the problem with apparently less sound deadening inside (vs the turbo model).Years later I am now thinking about getting a 997 (my favorite series 911) in the turbo spec...
You can spec noise insulated glass (£942). Probably worth it long term.
Amazing video. I am getting much more into the "base" spec models than these silly specials and nonsense price options. Great Video Harry. As always 😍
Harry didn’t say what tyres it had on - I’m guessing PZeros? I’ve always found Michelin PSs to be quieter and better than the Pirellis, Contis and Bridgestones that come on past 911s (996 Turbo, 997 C4S and 996 C4S) - but all were still relatively noisy. However, my recently acquired 991.1 S Cab came on 20” PZeros and I’m amazed how much quieter and more refined the drive is. It will get PS4s eventually, but the Pirelli’s have too much life left in them right now.
It’s one of those rare occasions when the base model looks amazing!😍
Base Carrera is what I want to own next. I want a great daily driver but not so special that I get too precious about it.
A recent convert, fantastic depth of knowledge and real world driving. Thank you Harry
When I was younger, I was fine with a noisy harsh riding sports car….in my early 60’s now…I rather want quiet, smooth and comfy…so I would more likely go for a Panamera…or even the latest Lincoln Continental. I need a daily driver that won’t wear me out.
Let the tyre pressure down from 46psi or whatever they are... I bet it’s quieter 👀
I love the car. This is a version I would choose. Actually these days the 911 T with manual transmission.
Get the sound insulation glass( plus its lighter) improves the road noise.
Please can you review the new Porsche GT3 Touring. Fantastic review of the base 911, bravo
Spring for the Carrera 4S.
You’ll pay a bit more monthly if you’re financing/leasing, but you’re spending this much, why not spend a bit more and get what you REALLY WANT.
I learned a long time ago to pay more and deal with it. This way ZERO REGRETS. You know it, I know it. Why play games.
If you can afford it, consider the Turbo S or Turbo S… but I would not. Way too pricy.
I really appreciate the down to earth and practical nature of Harry's reviews. As a long time 911 owner and daily driver with ear problems, the noise level would really give me pause on this model. On a GT3, I could understand those levels, but for an ordinary 911 the usability should be higher.
Sustained sound levels above 82 decibels will lead to permanent hearing damage! It's as loud as inside a motorcycle helmet....
"I hope you've enjoyed this video" Harry, I always enjoy your videos. Thank you so much :)
In Australia this car with no options is $304,000 local dollars - crazy difference!
This one would suit me just fine, only the money is lacking; still :(
Janko suggests ordering the "Light Weight and Noise Insulating Glass" option on the 992 Carrera and Carrera S. Apparently saves 8 pounds and shaves off 10-15 db cabin noise at speed.
I got the base 992 and put more into interior options. Just an amazing car!!!!
what a stupidity, if I want a basic Porsche chances are I want it fitted with a manual box and not stupid heavy overcomplicated PDK
How refreshing is it to listen to Harry and his calming voice over the youtube car bloggers (you know who I'm talking about) screaming about their new car, their new wrap, exhausts etc etc.
It’s nice to see white Porsche 911 for great review. Beauty
Great video Harry. I like your thinking with the base 911, seems more pure. PS I have the registration 911 YUM..
PS who cares?
I think you might ?
I just bought my very 1st 911 a base Carrera. After 9 Mercedes-Benz’s…
Has Porsche somewhat officially addressed the complaints about the 992 being too noisy inside?
I'm interested in that as well. Quite surprising from Porsche, really. I'd expect some better sound dampening.
if you would watch the video you would know.
@Duncan Idaho The guy clearly watched the video which is why he's asking his own follow up question about it. I also watched it and there is nothing in there regarding Porsche's official or unofficial response to this issue. Please provide a timestamp marker so I can watch what I clearly missed.
@@duncanidaho7494 timestamp or GTFO.
@@zurdo85XIX obviously they have not. By using that kind of language it shows how bright you are ;), just like your original comment.
Hi Harry, hope you are keeping well. For me the 911 has always been the most beautiful car. And i can't see past the base model every time. In white it's a real work of art. Cabin noise? More sound insulation. As you've tested it here, this is my perfect car. Unfortunately me and my friend Arthritis probably couldn't get in or out of this beauty these days, so thanks for sharing. Stay safe and keep up the good work. 👍🖖😎🦼
I actually prefer those standard exhaust tips too the oval tips
Sound insulation weighs hundreds of pounds, and they are making a sports car, so I’m not surprised it’s loud:)
Thanks for the review Harry. I’m pretty certain though that you don’t get Launch Control without Sports Chrono Pack. Because Sports Chrono gives you ‘Sport Plus’ mode where you can engage Launch Control. In this Carrera you were testing you only have Wet, Normal and Sport Mode. When you tried it that just seemed like a foot on the brake with acceleration when lifting off. Not quite Launch Control where it holds the revs until you disengage the brake pedal. 👍🏼
Could be the Michelins? Noticed they were noisy on my Fez. Stiff engine mounts and bushings probably don't help. The 911 is a rather strange older man's GT meets not quite a sports car, these days!