The Laser Cannon got some great overall changes in this recent patch, its ability to take out Chargers now is ridiculous! Like and Subscribe for more Content!
Recoilless: instantly strips armor, but needs a backpack and reload Railgun: strips in 2-3 shots if charged to near max (risky) but has no reload restrictions Laser: can chew through armor but requires sustained fire, also has infinite ammo Flamethrower: ignores armor but has short range and can hurt your team
It's almost like the devs wanted a risk-level of each weapon and the Railgun was too good so after the patch everything has a place and can be used very effectively by someone with experience, however you still got bots crying “No Rail gun, BAD GAME BAD GAME”
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The planet he was on at the time of the release of the patch would’ve had a cold modifier making the weapon heat up slower so keep that in mind when forming your opinions.
I dunno man, the rate at which it took down those chargers was pretty fast. Just cause you think it's garbage doesn't necessarily mean others would think the same thing.@@JR-kv6ez
@@JR-kv6ezI think I just might go see for myself. But this isn't misleading, though you may want to wish it to be. He never once mentions a single thing about the heat up time or anything else. If he was doing this on Hellmire, you'd still probably find something to nitpick. Just move on and be salty the railgun got nerfed in private, bud 😂
@@IrishEmilecheck out the last helmet from the regular warbonds pages. I think, it kinda looked like an odst helmet just white with a gold visor. Hopefully we can change color on everything soon.
I primarily use the autocannon, but having to sacrifice a backpack slot and the somewhat sluggish aiming makes we want to try out some of the buffed stuff this patch
this action right here is precisely the reasoning behind the balance patch. nerf the stupidly popular "must have" shit so people actually learn how to play the game and use a variety of cool and unique weapons that isn't just railgun railgun railgun railgun
@@enshrowd As much as I like the decisions to buff other weapons, there's a reason people were spamming the railgun. The vast majority of other weapons were simply not cutting it, verging on being utterly useless with little reason to take them. This was a mistake and fault of the devs, not players and "not actually knowing how to play the game". You can't make only a few weapons really viable at higher difficulties and then complain when people use those few weapons. Even still they've just nerfed some of the few viable guns in exchange for a few buffs making others a bit more viable, still leaving most other support and primary weapons absolutely garbage with little reason to use.
Now it's going to be either arc arc arc then. Nerf a meta you just raise the next meta. Buff ALL the others and meta becomes obsolete. This is just this helldiver fighting only one charger, imagine, 3, a bile titan, and an entire platoon of hunters. You'd be getting minced the moment he managed to lay on the floor.@@enshrowd
Standard weapons were never meant to tackle armoured threats. Chargers and their ilk are equivalent to Bug Tanks in the first game, which were nigh imprevious to weaponsfire that wasn't armor piercing. If anything, things like EATs and primaries and such are even more powerful in this game considering how far out you can eliminate threats without endangering yourself.
Like which? Shotguns good but SMG are also really good and i prefer it for bugs. Shotgun i like for bots. Explosives and rigle standard weapons ya i dont dig it as much.
@@yellowfilly5690 brother, the counter sniper, laser rifle and explosive liberator are literally worthless, and the AP liberator, knight SMG, scorcher, and DMR are all weaker than their counterpats.
An old Strat that I have dusted off since the latest balance patch is laser cannon + jump pack. On planets like Fenrir, there’s massive clear sight lines and plenty of tall rocks. Just hop on one and start laser-beaming every bug you can see, you won’t ever have to come down for a resupply. It’s not the fastest way of clearing bugs solo, but in a team I can basically just be a long-ranged laser turret melting all but the biggest bugs in a patrol before they even aggro my teammates. I’ve found that it’s most effective against hive guards and brood commanders, only taking a few seconds of the focused power of the sun to melt them to death, where previously it could take an entire mag or more from an SMG to kill one.
My favorite build right now is an all laser build. The scythe, laser cannon, laser drone, and orbital laser. Then i throw something else in thats kinda "lasery" like the orbital rail cannon. Its awesome swopping from the primary to the support weapon and back while the other cools down. And now i can do it even better 😎
Isn't the point of the laser weapons to keep heat as high as possible without overheating. So you have to find that balance of shooting and letting it cool to keep the dps at max? Is you're always letting them cool all the way down wouldn't that hurt dps?
@@Bwakcmo69 I don't know anything on the DPS numbers, but if you allow the weapons to cool down then you can remain in fire for longer when in use. Taking your finger on and off the trigger to keep the temperature high doesn't do very much I think.
@@SuperCatacata While I don't agree with that opinion, I'm not against an upgrade. However, with the new laser weapons info leaked it might not be any time soon.
Charger leg armor has always been weaker on the back of the leg. Probably you can weaken the whole leg by blasting it on the backside with the Laser Cannon just like with the Autocannon.
Yep, I always baited them and dove behind them when I was running railgun, occasionally you could kill the back leg and the front legs armor in 1 charged railgun shot and that would usually instakill the charger.
Back of the leg as in the side towards the charger's butt, or back as in inward towards the body? I've been confused about this for a while. The hind legs look just as armored from the butt side as the forelegs look from head-on.
Nah, it's the turning animation specifically. The legs are more vulnerable during it. Try shooting them there with a primary when they aren't turning like that and it will deflect.
Chargers have medium armor on the back of their legs and their joints, only the front of them is heavy armor. Since the Laser Cannon has medium armor penetrating now it can damage chargers from behind. its like the auto cannon, which can 2 shot a charger if you hit the back of their legs.
@@durakeno5575 i gotta try this i think ive been hitting it by splash damage cause sometimes i just spam autocannon to its face cause i got rounds and i might hit the back legs from the front.
I hope your shift to Helldivers 2 content pays off, the future of the game seems bright. Really love your info content about strengths and weaknesses of weapons. Keep it up!
Small aside regarding the weirdness of the leg armor - people are theorizing that, due to the stopping + turnaround animation of a Charger, that the back leg armor hitbox is skewed so medium pen can do proper damage to it. If you try shooting at the back leg of a charger that isn't in one of those 2 animations, it may sometimes still ricochet the beam off. Still though - nice to see the Laser Cannon brought up to snuff with the other stratagem weapons. Given the recent changes to the Railgun, this and Flamethrower are starting to look a lot more ideal to run, but I won't deny that being able to delete charger leg armor from the front (EAT, Recoiless, or Railgun) is still quite nice to have in most situations. Tough to say - but I think the Railgun may still be the ideal choice, if people can figure out the timings on the unsafe mode charges to learn how long they need to hold the charges for - so they can spend the least amount of time to strip the armor off.
ive been doing some testing on my own, punisher also takes chargers out in a similar fashion. you can also get quick kills using railgun to open armor up a bit, and punisher to shoot it. imo seems shooting the armor off completely is unnecessary if you have the right weapon, meaning if youre just breaker-pilled and only ever use breaker, youre not getting reliable charger kills outside of rockets.
can attest to this that punisher and the slugger variant can kill chargers if you just slightly open up the armour. From my experience you just gotta aim at the partially exposed part.
@@anizo2029 You know how grenades tell you the exact level of armor piercing they have? Be cool if guns did the same thing so we'd be able to figure out that the breaker has lower penetration than the other shotguns. I had no idea because I only used the pump shotgun for two or three missions.
This was one of my first unlocks and I've always loved it. Used it consistently until I hit upper difficulties. Glad it's more viable against armored enemies now!
yep, upgraded to it after i tried the primary weapon one (the...scythe i thinkk it's called) it was weak as hell, so i can get my shotty in now with big laser and an SMG
@@Living_Target which makes even more important that this is demonstrated on those difficulties to see if the TTK is viable with how out of whack the spawn rates at those difficulties are
Seems lika a massive buff. Previously, you used to only be able to damage the charger if there was some desync (whis is buggy). Now it seems to kill almot twice as fast, and pretty much guaranteed. Haven't personally checked yet
It’s good to see this might be able to replace the rail gun for killing chargers (hopefully the rail gun is still usable otherwise this isn’t really fixing the issue), I was a little worried the the orbital rail strike and laser strike where going to be required by everyone to deal with all the chargers and bile titans that swarm you on higher difficulties.
You barely have to deal with chargers and biles even on helldive if you focus on killing bug breach bugs, and when they come out of a breach all you have to do is break their line of sight for a couple minutes (Run to a different objective) and they despawn.
All these filthy noobs crying about nerfed railgun. Dont they even read the patch and take off safe mode ? Btw, this is a team based game, not a coop game.
Tried this on bots...turns out the 6 rocket devastators, 8 zerks, 5 reavers, 3 tanks, a cannon turret, and about 20 regular soldiers don't give a flying fuck your zappy beam does to their flame juggernaut
About damn time the cannon got into the fight. This makes it more of a pick vs the railgun (which is still very viable on Unsafe mode btw), which I appreciate immensely. Giving people ammo-less options that work helps ease some of the ammo strain other weapons invoke.
also gotta decide if you still want the railgun to go through two or more light bugs at once (i've had several missions where i kill the bug and the one behind it) or just melt em all in a line
@@knuckles543 Arc-Thrower is my go-to for crowds, light or medium. Lascannon now kinda shoulders its way in with the promise of better handling of the heavies.
You know what would be sick? The ability to “laze” the target to designate it for offensive stratagems like orbital strikes or Eagle attack runs instead of relying on throwing beacons. Beaming a Bile Titan’s armor off while highlighting it for heavy artillery? A two-in-one win for Democracy!
Bit of a spoiler for you. I was in a lobby the other day and had a modder in there. One of the strategems they called down was a "missile laser designator." A pod dropped with a rocket that had an unfinished model and a designator. Pointed designator at an annihilator tank and voila, rocket flew up and destroyed it. Was only a one time use thing so far.
I ran a full laser build today on bugs. Laser Rifle/Laser Cannon/Guard Dog Rover/Orbital Laser. Its a really good build, but Stalkers can be where it starts to lack as they charge you even with the laser cannon aimed at them and fling you away. Probably be better to drop the Laser rifle and run the Breaker for Stalkers.
Is the armor reduced after a charge? It seems like the back on the lags just have less armor and the laser got it's armor pen increased a bit so it can pen the back of the legs now.
During the animation of stopping and turning armored beetle it disables the armor on its hind legs, this is a bug colision, not a laser gun, there can be a regular gun and shoot and kill it
with the upgraded armor penetration laser's actually decent against the Bots like shooting a hulk in the face plus sniping some destroy objectives like AA, Mortars and the Landed dropships in aerial Sabatoge
for some reason ive seen a player with that thing take out a reinforcement ship of the mechs in like 2 seconds shooting it which is nuts and prbly a bug
Pretty sure a supply drop pack always gave you 1 Spear missile. The main drawback was that little ammunition drops around the map (0.5 the effectiveness of a supply drop pack) were unable to give you missiles. That in combination with the jank locking system, 4 rounds total, and frankly underwhelming damage is pretty painful. I'd definitely use it more if they were to make it one shot Bile Titans and tanks 100% of the time. For tanks, if you're curious, it does one shot them but ONLY if the rocket happens to hit the heat sink which is rather unfortunate.
I'm a huge fan of the railgun nerf. It's still exactly as good as it used to be, but only if you have balls of steel and solid aim. Which is great, because being able to comfortably kill 10 chargers with base ammo should take some skill, not keeping it on safe mode training wheels. Meanwhile this may be a little bit overtuned, literally infinite ammo AND heavy armor piercing? Take it to a snow planet and use nothing else I guess. Plus you keep your backpack slot. It is nice that the higher tier special weapons have some heavy tradeoffs. Autocannon is god-tier for sheer utility, can knock out objectives (spore tower/illegal transmission/bug nests) at basically infinite range, plus is quite ammo efficient for medium and heavy bugs, but no backpack. Railgun is king for sheer damage, plus keeping the backpack, but now needs balls of steel.
Its less a gameplay bug, and more the back leg armour seems to have less armour health to make up for the fact you just shoot them less overall. Prenerf railgun annihilated the back legs, but the front legs are just easier to hit and are pointed at you far more
That whole shoot a charger in it's leg after it's charge finishes is weird. You can actually take out a charger that way with ANY weapon. Even basic primary and secondary weapons. No idea if that's an intended feature or not. A smidge inconsistent but I've killed a bunch of them that way with just the defender smg with not even a full mag
Literally every weapon can do this, just some are better than others at it. There is a bug where chargers are briefly vulnerable after a charge. If you take a cannon and shoot a charger while it's stationary, the laser clearly bounces.
that shit melts bugs in general even the commanders melt in about 3 seconds. though i would not recommend on a stalker, i'd still use my shotty or rifle for that
This is less about the Laser Cannon's new abilities and more about the pre-existing bug that has been there since day 1, the only reason this matters for a Laser Cannon is its continuous damage, heat-based nature and precision accuracy, making it very easy to exploit the bug compared to having to really time your shots with slower-firing / reload-heavy weaponry in that small window of time. By comparison, the Flamethrower outright ignores armor entirely which allows you to immediately do full damage to the legs, and provided you can control your stream and not get clipped, you'll melt them within 3-4 seconds, even without the necessity of the post-charge glitch. Give it a shot. Now try going out of your way not to laser legs during the post-charge turn window and you'll see what the Laser Cannon's intended effect is, and it's not great at all sadly; it at best holds a niche for bot weakpoint exploitation, and MIGHT be able to pop a Bile Titan's mouth sacs, but that's a big MIGHT. There's the possibility that EVENTUALLY a Laser Cannon may strip the leg armor, but right now if you're actually sticking to your task, you're likely to down it due to the glitch anyway.
Some places more than others, Def recommend another weapon for Hot planets but on a cold one like Fenrir you can shoot for a very long time without overheating
Lascannon is an infinite ammo MG with damage potential to be as strong as Autocannon as long as heat management is taken to account. Its pretty strong, but not overpowered, as it should be.
Loadout for weps against light, medium and heavy armour respectively. I dont get why people complain when things get switched around. As if having one gun to do everything like the railgun wasnt boring. Laser cannon was meant for light and now "buffed" to heavy to make up for the boring universal railgun. Its definitely a win considering primary weapons only go up to medium.
It will not cut through the front or any geavy armor tho, For Charger it really hit or miss after the charging animation. Not sure if it something with hitbox or what.... Laser cannon... even with cannon in the name it still get out damage but GD Rover... It is wierd D:
This isn't a feature of the Laser Cannon but a bug(?) with the Charger's animations making their legs vulnerable to small arms fire. Dunno why it happens but the theory is that the armor plates desync with the hitboxes, maybe some sort of latency issue that was overlooked.
It's not a bug, but rather that the back of their leg armor is notoriously much weaker than the front, basically meaning you have more options than trying to shoot the small weakpoint in the back. Same thing can be done with tank treads, although they don't quite immediately drop dead like chargers do if they're rendered immobile.
I mean there's always the possibility that I could be wrong as well, but I just assume that it'd have probably been patched by now if it was a glitch. Still, you're all good fam, you've got a really fascinating theory at that.@@newrecru1t
@@norrecvizharan1177 There's some videos of people testing the theory I'm talking about on Charger front legs that aren't armor stripped, it isn't 100% consistent, but the discrepancy happens when a Charger finishes its charge and enters its recovery animation. While it's turning towards you? You can shoot the front legs with functionally any weapon and it'll penetrate... Somehow?... Again, not very consistent, but it has made some rounds in my research on Charger tactics. I wouldn't necessarily recommend relying on it though but I've yet to see the Devs patch it out for now.
@@norrecvizharan1177It's still possible to get any weapon to penetrate even from the front using the charge animation bug/feature so unfortunately/fortunately it was not patched out with the update yesterday.
The only part that sucks is that you can do much damage from the front, even if they do miss a charge. You can only do damage at all if you hit the back of their legs, but unfortunately that isn’t probable because of all the bugs around you l, mixed with the fact you got laser focus (lol) on a singular part. Still awesome though.
"when a charger miss a charge, his armor is reduced" That's the same with us : we are permanently missing our charges so our armors are permanently disabled.
Yes, that's true, however that's cuz you're benchmarking it on difficulty 5, which is low difficulty. Try it in anything difficulty 7 and above, it's usefulness dips drastically. You won't be able to tap a charger out like that anymore. The EAT instead, is a better alternative, one shot to the leg will strip the armor or kill it outright.
Been using it today, very solid pick for clearing chaff, hunters and stalkers when close to you. Can remove spewers but its likely gonna take a whole magazine. Much better than it used to be and fills a nice role in a loadout now
Does the Laser have any effect on Tanks and Turrets at other angles? Most weapons can take out tanks from the back, but getting around it is not always easy. The Laser does work great vs Hulks though. I found that running Stun Grenades makes the process even easier.
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380mm barrage has been improved as well, called it in 50m away, only killed 1 teamate
His sacrifce for democracy will be remembered
A noble sacrifice 😢
Only got one team kill? It was nerfed to oblivion then.
Well above the acceptable loss rate
Sweet bell of liberty, that’s a massive buff!
Obviously it's a bug. It has more than 2 legs and is extremely undemocratic.
That's... actually a really good one.
Rarely do I actually laugh out loud when I read a comment 😂 fair play
Well done.
way too many bugs in this game
My pet dog has more than 2 legs too. Does that mean Rover is a bug? 😢
Lascannon was capable of destroying container doors before the patch as well - just throwing that out.
Ngl that should be returned, because that 100% makes sense
Slugger can destroy them too and got buffed to 60 rounds of ammo and full replenishment from one supply pack instead of 20 rounds per supply.
Still is, I did it today.
@@FalinzinNot the slugger. The punisher
@@shadows_star Actually, the slugger was too. You can see it ingame for yourself.
Recoilless: instantly strips armor, but needs a backpack and reload
Railgun: strips in 2-3 shots if charged to near max (risky) but has no reload restrictions
Laser: can chew through armor but requires sustained fire, also has infinite ammo
Flamethrower: ignores armor but has short range and can hurt your team
different risk, different rewards. as it should be
It's almost like the devs wanted a risk-level of each weapon and the Railgun was too good so after the patch everything has a place and can be used very effectively by someone with experience, however you still got bots crying “No Rail gun, BAD GAME BAD GAME”
Anyway, I just called in 500 KG, I think we should run.
arc gun: ignores armor, but team mates live in fear for up to 40 minutes
I've used them all. Love em all.
My ass rolling up with the spartan laser to the creek
When camping the power weapon spawn finally paid off
Tried that, hulks do NOT care. Neither do tanks.
@@xtxownageI have to agree. The automatons do not care about your puny lazer
@@xtxownage they do care if you are 100% accurate on their little red dot of a face
Wait till the Quasar cannon comes out. THATS the real spartan laser of Helldivers
Your videos is short, but contains the Info that people looking for. Unlike other youtuber just reading the patch note for 15min. Great Work. Thanks!!😊
The planet he was on at the time of the release of the patch would’ve had a cold modifier making the weapon heat up slower so keep that in mind when forming your opinions.
Did i mention anything about the heat or planet??😅 I just said its good to know in short video thats all
Nah, it's misleading. The laser cannon is still absolute garbage. Go try it for yourself, you will see haha.
I dunno man, the rate at which it took down those chargers was pretty fast. Just cause you think it's garbage doesn't necessarily mean others would think the same thing.@@JR-kv6ez
@@JR-kv6ezI think I just might go see for myself. But this isn't misleading, though you may want to wish it to be. He never once mentions a single thing about the heat up time or anything else. If he was doing this on Hellmire, you'd still probably find something to nitpick. Just move on and be salty the railgun got nerfed in private, bud 😂
Mad respect on the choice of O(D)ST
seriously though, if the devs add a ODST looking helmet I’m INSTANTLY buying it
@@IrishEmile YUUP like I have no hope because of exclusivity and what not, but like, anything vaguely similar will be mine
@@IrishEmilecheck out the last helmet from the regular warbonds pages. I think, it kinda looked like an odst helmet just white with a gold visor. Hopefully we can change color on everything soon.
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@@DarkCatfish Air Traffic Control
I primarily use the autocannon, but having to sacrifice a backpack slot and the somewhat sluggish aiming makes we want to try out some of the buffed stuff this patch
this action right here is precisely the reasoning behind the balance patch. nerf the stupidly popular "must have" shit so people actually learn how to play the game and use a variety of cool and unique weapons that isn't just railgun railgun railgun railgun
@@enshrowd As much as I like the decisions to buff other weapons, there's a reason people were spamming the railgun. The vast majority of other weapons were simply not cutting it, verging on being utterly useless with little reason to take them. This was a mistake and fault of the devs, not players and "not actually knowing how to play the game". You can't make only a few weapons really viable at higher difficulties and then complain when people use those few weapons. Even still they've just nerfed some of the few viable guns in exchange for a few buffs making others a bit more viable, still leaving most other support and primary weapons absolutely garbage with little reason to use.
Now it's going to be either arc arc arc then. Nerf a meta you just raise the next meta. Buff ALL the others and meta becomes obsolete. This is just this helldiver fighting only one charger, imagine, 3, a bile titan, and an entire platoon of hunters. You'd be getting minced the moment he managed to lay on the floor.@@enshrowd
Chad Cannon will always be cool.
Use stratagems if there's that many enemies lol@@tsunertoo9149
Last night i was running solos with my bro and we were SHOCKED at how easily the Laser melted through Chargers, let alone Bile Spewers.
I wish more standard weapons were buffed
Everyone wants that but not the devs.
Standard weapons were never meant to tackle armoured threats. Chargers and their ilk are equivalent to Bug Tanks in the first game, which were nigh imprevious to weaponsfire that wasn't armor piercing. If anything, things like EATs and primaries and such are even more powerful in this game considering how far out you can eliminate threats without endangering yourself.
@@yellowfilly5690 yes that's obvious but some weapons feel clunky to use and don't really have a niche when shotguns exist
Like which? Shotguns good but SMG are also really good and i prefer it for bugs. Shotgun i like for bots. Explosives and rigle standard weapons ya i dont dig it as much.
@@yellowfilly5690 brother, the counter sniper, laser rifle and explosive liberator are literally worthless, and the AP liberator, knight SMG, scorcher, and DMR are all weaker than their counterpats.
Love these videos, straight to the point, no nonsense. Thank you for your service, citizen!
An old Strat that I have dusted off since the latest balance patch is laser cannon + jump pack.
On planets like Fenrir, there’s massive clear sight lines and plenty of tall rocks.
Just hop on one and start laser-beaming every bug you can see, you won’t ever have to come down for a resupply.
It’s not the fastest way of clearing bugs solo, but in a team I can basically just be a long-ranged laser turret melting all but the biggest bugs in a patrol before they even aggro my teammates.
I’ve found that it’s most effective against hive guards and brood commanders, only taking a few seconds of the focused power of the sun to melt them to death, where previously it could take an entire mag or more from an SMG to kill one.
This sounds awesome, I'm trying it tonight. Always looking for Jetpack builds
My favorite build right now is an all laser build. The scythe, laser cannon, laser drone, and orbital laser. Then i throw something else in thats kinda "lasery" like the orbital rail cannon. Its awesome swopping from the primary to the support weapon and back while the other cools down.
And now i can do it even better 😎
Isn't the point of the laser weapons to keep heat as high as possible without overheating. So you have to find that balance of shooting and letting it cool to keep the dps at max?
Is you're always letting them cool all the way down wouldn't that hurt dps?
@@Bwakcmo69 I don't know anything on the DPS numbers, but if you allow the weapons to cool down then you can remain in fire for longer when in use. Taking your finger on and off the trigger to keep the temperature high doesn't do very much I think.
@@Bwakcmo69Haven't read anything about keeping heat high for damage. Seems like misinformation.
Scythe needs some help right now.
Thing is hot garbo 😂
It looks so cool, but makes me so sad when I use it.
Anyways, we need a laser grenade next.
@@SuperCatacata While I don't agree with that opinion, I'm not against an upgrade. However, with the new laser weapons info leaked it might not be any time soon.
Charger leg armor has always been weaker on the back of the leg. Probably you can weaken the whole leg by blasting it on the backside with the Laser Cannon just like with the Autocannon.
Yep, I always baited them and dove behind them when I was running railgun, occasionally you could kill the back leg and the front legs armor in 1 charged railgun shot and that would usually instakill the charger.
Back of the leg as in the side towards the charger's butt, or back as in inward towards the body? I've been confused about this for a while. The hind legs look just as armored from the butt side as the forelegs look from head-on.
Nah, it's the turning animation specifically. The legs are more vulnerable during it.
Try shooting them there with a primary when they aren't turning like that and it will deflect.
@@66maybe66 Either leg will work fine. Autocannon can kill it in two shots.
Chargers have medium armor on the back of their legs and their joints, only the front of them is heavy armor. Since the Laser Cannon has medium armor penetrating now it can damage chargers from behind. its like the auto cannon, which can 2 shot a charger if you hit the back of their legs.
The front also has medium armor right below its mouth. You can hit it right before it charges at you.
@@durakeno5575 i gotta try this i think ive been hitting it by splash damage cause sometimes i just spam autocannon to its face cause i got rounds and i might hit the back legs from the front.
you can also do this same thing with the flamethrower and use like 25% of a mag instead of the new 75% btw
I hope your shift to Helldivers 2 content pays off, the future of the game seems bright. Really love your info content about strengths and weaknesses of weapons. Keep it up!
See at least we have 3 options now! Railgun, Flamethrower, and now Lasercannon!
railgun is out of the question now
@@goredyn8150 Use unsafe mode and carry on, the railgun is the basically the same LMAO you should play more and youtube less.
@@goredyn8150 just use unsafe mode
Lol, railgun is not an option anymore. It's dead. They killed it. RIP.
arc thrower over here like.....
amen thank you brother I love these short form videos that provide great info with examples so we can hell dive more
I’m so glad the laser cannon is good now, that thing was really cool looking.
I’m going to try the laser rifle too
Small aside regarding the weirdness of the leg armor - people are theorizing that, due to the stopping + turnaround animation of a Charger, that the back leg armor hitbox is skewed so medium pen can do proper damage to it. If you try shooting at the back leg of a charger that isn't in one of those 2 animations, it may sometimes still ricochet the beam off.
Still though - nice to see the Laser Cannon brought up to snuff with the other stratagem weapons. Given the recent changes to the Railgun, this and Flamethrower are starting to look a lot more ideal to run, but I won't deny that being able to delete charger leg armor from the front (EAT, Recoiless, or Railgun) is still quite nice to have in most situations. Tough to say - but I think the Railgun may still be the ideal choice, if people can figure out the timings on the unsafe mode charges to learn how long they need to hold the charges for - so they can spend the least amount of time to strip the armor off.
I remember seeing alot of your halo infinite vids when that game first came out, very pleased to see helldivers stuff from you👌
ive been doing some testing on my own, punisher also takes chargers out in a similar fashion. you can also get quick kills using railgun to open armor up a bit, and punisher to shoot it. imo seems shooting the armor off completely is unnecessary if you have the right weapon, meaning if youre just breaker-pilled and only ever use breaker, youre not getting reliable charger kills outside of rockets.
Wait the punisher can kill chargers now 😳
can attest to this that punisher and the slugger variant can kill chargers if you just slightly open up the armour. From my experience you just gotta aim at the partially exposed part.
@@anizo2029 You know how grenades tell you the exact level of armor piercing they have? Be cool if guns did the same thing so we'd be able to figure out that the breaker has lower penetration than the other shotguns. I had no idea because I only used the pump shotgun for two or three missions.
This was one of my first unlocks and I've always loved it. Used it consistently until I hit upper difficulties. Glad it's more viable against armored enemies now!
My favorite support weapon.
The last clip is what sold me. I dont have to waste nades or any consumables.
It opened containers before this patch but it was bad at everything else so nobody used it long enough to figure that out.
It's always done that
Bare in mind all these locations usually if not all the time spawn made packages
You can also do that with slugger and arc thrower btw, not sure about other stuff.. Pretty sure penetrator will work as well but than one is garbo.
One of the coolest guns is now good. Nice.
yep, upgraded to it after i tried the primary weapon one (the...scythe i thinkk it's called)
it was weak as hell, so i can get my shotty in now with big laser and an SMG
This is honestly the best reason to use the Laser that I've seen so far. Had no idea Charger armor was reduced after a missed charge!
i wanna see these properties be demonstrated on difficulty 7 and up
Enemy health and armor values don't change over difficulty. It's spawns and modifiers that change.
@@Living_Target I really like this very much instead of health and armor modifiers.
@@Living_Target which makes even more important that this is demonstrated on those difficulties to see if the TTK is viable with how out of whack the spawn rates at those difficulties are
He was a mighty charger once. Then ge took a laser to the knee
Seems lika a massive buff. Previously, you used to only be able to damage the charger if there was some desync (whis is buggy). Now it seems to kill almot twice as fast, and pretty much guaranteed. Haven't personally checked yet
It’s good to see this might be able to replace the rail gun for killing chargers (hopefully the rail gun is still usable otherwise this isn’t really fixing the issue), I was a little worried the the orbital rail strike and laser strike where going to be required by everyone to deal with all the chargers and bile titans that swarm you on higher difficulties.
You barely have to deal with chargers and biles even on helldive if you focus on killing bug breach bugs, and when they come out of a breach all you have to do is break their line of sight for a couple minutes (Run to a different objective) and they despawn.
Rail gun still wipes titans out
Railgun is still good, you just have to take it off “Safe” mode for big bois now.
@@OneBiasedOpinionmy over here wondering why anyone ever had it on safe mode
All these filthy noobs crying about nerfed railgun. Dont they even read the patch and take off safe mode ? Btw, this is a team based game, not a coop game.
Thanks for the video. I have almost 90 hours in the game and I completely forgot this weapon existed.
Tried this on bots...turns out the 6 rocket devastators, 8 zerks, 5 reavers, 3 tanks, a cannon turret, and about 20 regular soldiers don't give a flying fuck your zappy beam does to their flame juggernaut
About damn time the cannon got into the fight. This makes it more of a pick vs the railgun (which is still very viable on Unsafe mode btw), which I appreciate immensely. Giving people ammo-less options that work helps ease some of the ammo strain other weapons invoke.
also gotta decide if you still want the railgun to go through two or more light bugs at once (i've had several missions where i kill the bug and the one behind it) or just melt em all in a line
@@knuckles543 Arc-Thrower is my go-to for crowds, light or medium. Lascannon now kinda shoulders its way in with the promise of better handling of the heavies.
where's the Helldivers playlist at? This stuff is super useful great work
That charger 'weak moment' sounds impactful, might explain why I feel like sometimes the railgun didn't bounce off while testing it..
You know what would be sick?
The ability to “laze” the target to designate it for offensive stratagems like orbital strikes or Eagle attack runs instead of relying on throwing beacons.
Beaming a Bile Titan’s armor off while highlighting it for heavy artillery? A two-in-one win for Democracy!
Bit of a spoiler for you. I was in a lobby the other day and had a modder in there. One of the strategems they called down was a "missile laser designator." A pod dropped with a rocket that had an unfinished model and a designator. Pointed designator at an annihilator tank and voila, rocket flew up and destroyed it. Was only a one time use thing so far.
that's pretty huge, i was kinda wierded out cause some times they died more rapidly earlyer today trying the laser, gwess that's why
That’s a HUGE buff. I’m running one of these now. Goodbye nade launcher
As it should. Been my favorite in HD1 as well, so it getting the love it needed is most welcome.
Yes. Just as I imagined it. Thank you Joel
I ran a full laser build today on bugs. Laser Rifle/Laser Cannon/Guard Dog Rover/Orbital Laser. Its a really good build, but Stalkers can be where it starts to lack as they charge you even with the laser cannon aimed at them and fling you away.
Probably be better to drop the Laser rifle and run the Breaker for Stalkers.
Flashback to "The laser-cannon is useless; don't use it."
Look at me now, pa! I'm a grown boy!
I read the patch notes and didn't expect it to be this game-altering. Holy crap.
This champ has uploaded 5 videos in one day
Is the armor reduced after a charge? It seems like the back on the lags just have less armor and the laser got it's armor pen increased a bit so it can pen the back of the legs now.
During the animation of stopping and turning armored beetle it disables the armor on its hind legs, this is a bug colision, not a laser gun, there can be a regular gun and shoot and kill it
Finally a way to kill charges without clumsy expolsives or "Mr.Everything" railgun
i hope they nerf your weapon :)
@@SainKail So I will choose another one :)
I loved the flamer before and getting a tasty buff is perfection. Shame to see the breaker get a slap but it was necessary
Oh man, you are a better player than me then. Chargers were just laughing at me and my laser cannon.
with the upgraded armor penetration laser's actually decent against the Bots like shooting a hulk in the face plus sniping some destroy objectives like AA, Mortars and the Landed dropships in aerial Sabatoge
"Dutch, arm the rest of the charges"
Anyone know the song being played here? Would love to listen to the full version.
I can't wait to find myself getting strafed with friendly fire from this even more now. It's so bad when they have Rover too.
The charger change do feels intentional. Making dodging it be more rewarding.
for some reason ive seen a player with that thing take out a reinforcement ship of the mechs in like 2 seconds shooting it which is nuts and prbly a bug
I once died to a meteor storm in that same planet lol
Just once?
“The railgun was too OP so we decided to nerf it and make the laser cannon even stronger than the railgun ever was”
Spear can pick up supplies now instead of having to call in a new back pack.
Pretty sure a supply drop pack always gave you 1 Spear missile. The main drawback was that little ammunition drops around the map (0.5 the effectiveness of a supply drop pack) were unable to give you missiles. That in combination with the jank locking system, 4 rounds total, and frankly underwhelming damage is pretty painful. I'd definitely use it more if they were to make it one shot Bile Titans and tanks 100% of the time. For tanks, if you're curious, it does one shot them but ONLY if the rocket happens to hit the heat sink which is rather unfortunate.
That's actually a good tip.
Chargers are such a wall for most people.
Knowing the armor is weaker after a charge is fantastic
I liked when it played the sword base ost
I'm a huge fan of the railgun nerf. It's still exactly as good as it used to be, but only if you have balls of steel and solid aim. Which is great, because being able to comfortably kill 10 chargers with base ammo should take some skill, not keeping it on safe mode training wheels.
Meanwhile this may be a little bit overtuned, literally infinite ammo AND heavy armor piercing? Take it to a snow planet and use nothing else I guess. Plus you keep your backpack slot.
It is nice that the higher tier special weapons have some heavy tradeoffs. Autocannon is god-tier for sheer utility, can knock out objectives (spore tower/illegal transmission/bug nests) at basically infinite range, plus is quite ammo efficient for medium and heavy bugs, but no backpack. Railgun is king for sheer damage, plus keeping the backpack, but now needs balls of steel.
What difficulty was this? I tried this weapon the day the buff went live and I couldn't pierce the armor on any of the Charger's legs.
That Charger thing seems like a bug(HA), but I sure as hell will be using it.
Its less a gameplay bug, and more the back leg armour seems to have less armour health to make up for the fact you just shoot them less overall. Prenerf railgun annihilated the back legs, but the front legs are just easier to hit and are pointed at you far more
That whole shoot a charger in it's leg after it's charge finishes is weird. You can actually take out a charger that way with ANY weapon. Even basic primary and secondary weapons. No idea if that's an intended feature or not. A smidge inconsistent but I've killed a bunch of them that way with just the defender smg with not even a full mag
Literally every weapon can do this, just some are better than others at it. There is a bug where chargers are briefly vulnerable after a charge. If you take a cannon and shoot a charger while it's stationary, the laser clearly bounces.
Holy shit, It's finally fun in concept AND gameplay
that shit melts bugs in general
even the commanders melt in about 3 seconds.
though i would not recommend on a stalker, i'd still use my shotty or rifle for that
@@knuckles543 yea i used it, anything bigger than a hive guard it's not useful against
Phew. Good. It was great in HD1, but not HD2, and I was hoping it would be good again!
This is less about the Laser Cannon's new abilities and more about the pre-existing bug that has been there since day 1, the only reason this matters for a Laser Cannon is its continuous damage, heat-based nature and precision accuracy, making it very easy to exploit the bug compared to having to really time your shots with slower-firing / reload-heavy weaponry in that small window of time.
By comparison, the Flamethrower outright ignores armor entirely which allows you to immediately do full damage to the legs, and provided you can control your stream and not get clipped, you'll melt them within 3-4 seconds, even without the necessity of the post-charge glitch. Give it a shot.
Now try going out of your way not to laser legs during the post-charge turn window and you'll see what the Laser Cannon's intended effect is, and it's not great at all sadly; it at best holds a niche for bot weakpoint exploitation, and MIGHT be able to pop a Bile Titan's mouth sacs, but that's a big MIGHT. There's the possibility that EVENTUALLY a Laser Cannon may strip the leg armor, but right now if you're actually sticking to your task, you're likely to down it due to the glitch anyway.
I couldn’t get this to work well when i tried it earlier. Might try again later
Honestly, I've dropped the Railgun in favor of the Laser Cannon. It's really damn good now, I've had great results against bugs with it.
I believe its not that "missing" reduces armor, rather the back legs have less armor (medium) than the front (heavy).
it's not that they have less armor. Medium armor pen weapons bounce if it's not right after a charge
The overheat is still a pain to deal with. It is both more and less efficient when compared to the MG and Flamethrower as a result.
Use it on ice planets, it's super manageable
Some places more than others, Def recommend another weapon for Hot planets but on a cold one like Fenrir you can shoot for a very long time without overheating
Lascannon is an infinite ammo MG with damage potential to be as strong as Autocannon as long as heat management is taken to account. Its pretty strong, but not overpowered, as it should be.
Goes to show that it has it's own specific niche. Might not be as consistent as the flamethrower, but has far better range.
Good use of the halo music here!
Man that Halo music goes hard
Loadout for weps against light, medium and heavy armour respectively. I dont get why people complain when things get switched around. As if having one gun to do everything like the railgun wasnt boring. Laser cannon was meant for light and now "buffed" to heavy to make up for the boring universal railgun. Its definitely a win considering primary weapons only go up to medium.
Can you do comparison with light medium and heavy armor hitpoints?
What is this song from Halo reach called? I been looking for it forever its never on their official soundtracks 😆
It will not cut through the front or any geavy armor tho, For Charger it really hit or miss after the charging animation. Not sure if it something with hitbox or what.... Laser cannon... even with cannon in the name it still get out damage but GD Rover... It is wierd D:
Focus on front legs, even when you are facing its butt. When it turns you will keep firing at it easier than rear legs.
It was broken before with how severely it was underperforming, and now it is fulfilling its intended purpose.
ODST ost hits different🤤
It's weird that the entire Helldivers META seems to focus on beating this one bug.
Meanwhile, autocannon, mortar and rocket turrets go brrrrrr
Any weapon can strip charger's leg armour while it's mid turning animation. I just killed one with an smg.
................good to know
@@knuckles543 In case anybody interested. YT video is called "Helldivers 2: Animation Vulnerability vs Chargers".
Laser cannon my beloved
Do a video on the spear. Also got silent “fixed” more than buffed
This isn't a feature of the Laser Cannon but a bug(?) with the Charger's animations making their legs vulnerable to small arms fire. Dunno why it happens but the theory is that the armor plates desync with the hitboxes, maybe some sort of latency issue that was overlooked.
It's not a bug, but rather that the back of their leg armor is notoriously much weaker than the front, basically meaning you have more options than trying to shoot the small weakpoint in the back. Same thing can be done with tank treads, although they don't quite immediately drop dead like chargers do if they're rendered immobile.
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Oh jeeze, ngl? I completely forgot about the rear legs being less armored, ignore my dumbass.
I mean there's always the possibility that I could be wrong as well, but I just assume that it'd have probably been patched by now if it was a glitch. Still, you're all good fam, you've got a really fascinating theory at that.@@newrecru1t
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There's some videos of people testing the theory I'm talking about on Charger front legs that aren't armor stripped, it isn't 100% consistent, but the discrepancy happens when a Charger finishes its charge and enters its recovery animation. While it's turning towards you? You can shoot the front legs with functionally any weapon and it'll penetrate... Somehow?...
Again, not very consistent, but it has made some rounds in my research on Charger tactics. I wouldn't necessarily recommend relying on it though but I've yet to see the Devs patch it out for now.
@@norrecvizharan1177It's still possible to get any weapon to penetrate even from the front using the charge animation bug/feature so unfortunately/fortunately it was not patched out with the update yesterday.
The only part that sucks is that you can do much damage from the front, even if they do miss a charge. You can only do damage at all if you hit the back of their legs, but unfortunately that isn’t probable because of all the bugs around you l, mixed with the fact you got laser focus (lol) on a singular part. Still awesome though.
WoW and that even on difficulty 5 crazy.
Flamethrower also ruins them. It did even before the patch gave it a 50% DPS buff
ttk on that charger feels good... wish they buff up other weapons.
"when a charger miss a charge, his armor is reduced"
That's the same with us : we are permanently missing our charges so our armors are permanently disabled.
I waited a month for this?!
I think that’s just you shooting the back of the legs where they are weaker at but could also be bug
Yes, that's true, however that's cuz you're benchmarking it on difficulty 5, which is low difficulty. Try it in anything difficulty 7 and above, it's usefulness dips drastically. You won't be able to tap a charger out like that anymore. The EAT instead, is a better alternative, one shot to the leg will strip the armor or kill it outright.
Anyway you can do the Breaker Spray & Pray next?
Been using it today, very solid pick for clearing chaff, hunters and stalkers when close to you. Can remove spewers but its likely gonna take a whole magazine. Much better than it used to be and fills a nice role in a loadout now
If it busts open the containers does it also close bug holes??
Does the Laser have any effect on Tanks and Turrets at other angles? Most weapons can take out tanks from the back, but getting around it is not always easy. The Laser does work great vs Hulks though. I found that running Stun Grenades makes the process even easier.