Which is kinda jarring given their instance towards PvP.. I appreciate the fact they don't want to add PvP, as it would either be bland or negatively influence PvE, but I just can't understand all the concert about balance and metas...
It's important to note that while yes, they do nerf a ton of weapons, more importantly they directly and indirectly buff enemies on TOP of nerfing weapons. Notably the arc thrower. They nerf the range, increase charge time, but increase stagger so you could stunlock Hulks and everybody loved it. Then they decide to buff Hulk stagger resist so you can no longer stagger Hulks. Eruptor can take down scout striders in one shot? Guess we'll nerf the eruptor, make it so that there's almost no reason to take it, and then buff scout striders resistance to explosive damage so it takes more time to kill for explosive weapons in general now.
explosive weapons have such little ammo too, but even worse is they actually take your primary slot so it's worse of a nerf than people think vs grenade launcher or anything strategem
The most balanced game ever released was the original MW2. literally everything was broken, and there were numerous bugs, etc, yet everyone loved the game.
I work in the industry, the game is fine and the devs are doing the right thing. They are in what is called the Sustainment Phase. This covers 3 things. Working casually on dlc, while wrapping up bug fixes that couldnt get in before launch, and balancing. It is there literal job to make the game more balanced. Thinking it being PVE means you dont need balance is extremely incorrect and foolish, I remember when every player used the railgun and only the railgun, pissed me off, glad they nerfed it. Cause otherwise what is the point of having other stuff. And also its infinitely easier to nerf something than to buff everything else.
the worst part is these vehicles are fully functional in game files and have been for months. I get not dropping content all at once, but the trickle is too damn slow. I'm getting bored waiting for all of these new cool things because it feels like it'll take months for us to get content thats been ready to go.
@loafofbread9400 same it's hilarious but we can say "told you so" it's been the same shit since launch, hell even the levels are unfinished and just not fun to play
@haholaer4058 you obviously never played or are just brain bead or maybe blind. Not to mention the recycled armors, same shit different copy paste color selector. Game is dead and when warhammer space marine 2 comes out Sept 9th it'll be buried for good.
I think they need to buff everything back to the original. And if a gun is not being used, because it sucks, then buff that gun until people start using it a little more. It's not fucking rocket science.
@@taxman3749and if it's a little too easy then buff the enemies to make it more difficult. It's funner to kill strong enemies with strong guns then weak enemies with weak guns. It seems obvious
I think it is important to remember people bitch so much is because they care and want this game to be better. Otherwise people just wouldn’t say anything and stop playing.
I agree with that completely, but I feel like everyone went too crazy about the rail gun/shield pack nerf. You could just shred everything with your brain turned off lol
The first thing they need to fix out of the 3 issues that were brought up in the video are the game bugs. There are far too many of them for a game that's been out this long. I've just had a valve objective bug out and my team left as they didn't wish to wait 20+ mins until the time up. The balancing is bad for far too many weapons but there are decent main weapons currently that are still usable. The warbond issue makes the game lacking in new content but their first 2 premium warbonds have lots of nice stuff in there.
@@biggy2556 yes, but the real problem is that instead of there being a meta, now there is a "only viable strategy available", at least in the past the railgun was actually useful, now Antimaterial Rifle is a viable railgun and there is no reason to take the railgun over AMR, there is no reason to take the railgun at all in fact, every weapon has at least more than one use except for the spear, Railgun is only really useful for taking down one specific enemy, the hulk bots
The issue is they are balancing around the top 1% of gamers. And as weird as it seems, I often find that difficulty 7 and 8 is WAY easier than difficulty 5 and 6. It is easier to kill 2-3 bile titans or hulks than to mow through a thousand chaf enemies that sometimes randomly one shot you, and lower difficulty is just flooded with chaf.
The biggest issue for me are the constant disconnects. I could always play Halo 3, old COD games, Battlefield Bad Company 2 etc back in the day with minimum issues and yet me and my friends are lucky if we can go one day of playing HD2 without horseshit disconnects, sometimes having to close and reopen the game just to rejoin. This completely fucked me and my friend over the other day just when we called in a Pelican, causing us to lose all the samples we collected. I paid money for this game and yet it's too much to ask for the matchmaking to just work as it should?
It's not *only* that most weapons suck, it's the thought that EVEN IF I find something fun cus it's effective, it'll get nerfed into the ground. All while the enemies get harder my tools get taken away. That's great for player agency. Thanks Alexus: who already did this to Hello Neighbor 2.
@@deedeekreep9139 let me introduce you “The Eruptor” Since the nerf i saw a Whopping ONE (1) players use it It have been made that much useless lmao If i was a Eruptor main i would be livid
I really hate the Railgun revisionism we see now. The RG was not broken, it took two shots to a chargers leg to strip the armor, then three more to kill. It took 12-16 shots to a bile titan head to kill them as well. The reason it was nerfed was because the devs dislike Meta and they were trying to hide a game-breaking PS5 bug that allowed people to one shot or two shot Bile Titans. This bug also affected the Recoiless Rifle but nobody noticed because of the reload.
@Micecheese The Railgun is *supposed* to be a middle ground between heavy weapons and medium weapons. Quick Reload time and no backpack. It really isn't intended for Biles and the pre nerf version reflected that. The RG was perfect for Commanders, Spewers and chargers. It could take out a bile in a jam, but you should have a railcannon or RR for that
RG is still able to do everything. just use it on unsafe that’s the real point of the gun high armour piercing but the cost being time you can’t over charge it or you die just takes a bit of skill to manage but it’s not that hard
So that’s why I used to sometimes one shot BT with a recoiless. Used to hear everyone complain about how shit the RR was until I become the anti tank guy. Now I see why it’s been taking 2-3 lately
No one was doing that loop for chargers, you would break the leg, then swap to your breaker and kill the charger pretty much instantly. Bile Titans have had a bug, maybe it's been fixed, but they take more damage with a Playstation player, allowing the RG to 2 tap a Bile Titan.
How that boot tasting i swear i see yoh everywhere. Why are you covering the devs' mistakes and issue that cause turmoil and player complaints and to leave huh. Are you being paid to do this?@Damaged7
@@Damaged7 The game is still fun! for sure.. But its just as fun for me, to find a new game, learn the mechanics and then move on. I recently started playing SpaceStation 13. That shit was crazy hard to learn. Honestly being a gamer since aged 4, i am one thats hard to keep. I am almost at the point where- I am going to leave gaming forever, as I cannot keep up with the monetized motivations of game devs. I once used to study video game design, I am aware of the pillars of design and the mechanics of design. I gave that up in search of becoming a doctor to add to my community. I was expecting a plethoria of content being added. With the increased level count (I am fleet commander atm) i WOULD have loved a pathway to earn unlocks etc.. Instead, the previous CEO stepped down, couldnt handle the pressure. I am at the point where, I might just get video games for nostalgia purposes- rather than participate in the current state of video games. I am not alone in my sentiment. Your opinions make me feel you are really.. stubborn, uneducated and a perfect consumer of video games titles. You're the reason the games industry went from a niche-nomenclature of artistic, neurodivergent and nerdy peoples- Into a kardassian style episodic binge-watcher ethos of a circus.
The only two issues I have with Helldivers is very simple ones. 1. The devs keep nerfing the dumb fun stuff out of the game, which always is a negative for me. I hated it when Grounded did it with its equipment and that game was a PvE survival game. 2. The community manager basically banning and weeding out anyone who doesn't like their politics, despite the lead developers saying Helldivers 2 would be purely apolitical.
@@kurisutina8067bs. The average base for pc was around 65k and peak was 125k. (Ps player are not interesting because they were not affected). The average in total was around 120-140k. The mainproblem wasnt Sonys dickmove but the complet idiotic patch 1.000.300
Too many people concerned about power creep in a PvE game. It’s not power creep, it’s a galactic arms race. Lore wise, does it make sense for the weapons of war to devolve?
It’s a funny thing huh, why I think the game needs to embrace more lore into it as of right now the lore feels too scared to fully embrace and flesh out a narrative. side not, power creep is more of an issue of making everything else not feel worth using and the stakes being raised just gets more taxing on literally everything in a game in pve setting so but nerfing things into the ground also doesn’t help understand what the difficulty of the game is :P
Lore-wise I always figured more need=corners cut/ simplified=lower quality. Good examples are inter-war 1930s firearms quality vs mid/late WW2 firearms quality.
I feel like this is One of the biggest points. They kind of treat it like a Warhammer or d&d game or something, where balance of certain items would be a factor, only if you could actually obtain those and the set amount of items was already dictated by the game mechanics. The fact that there are so many weapons that get left in the dust at any given point is just disheartening, even if you really like a gun, who's going to use it when you can't affectively take out the mobs in higher levels? The meta is only meta because they do the most effective job across the board, otherwise people would be using everything else that would be in its class. In a real war, you use the most effective tool for the position that you're in. You're definitely going to be using bigger guns to take out bigger targets, that's just the way of the land. If the highest difficulties have the biggest monsters and they're the most often ones, of course you're going to take the biggest and best guns for that particular job. I don't think logic and balance are on the same team here. Balance only applies like this in a PVP because otherwise everybody's going to use the exact same gun, and that does get boring. While I understand the need to fix broken mechanics, the mechanics of the guns that were meta before were not broken, and they were nerfed because they wanted to hide actual broken mechanics that people figured out. I think what's happening is the devs are trying to play a cat and mouse game with their expectations versus what they expect the audience to do, but there's a lot more audience than them, and I'll figure it out way quicker than they expect, so they have to about face every time and create some BS in order for them to save face or look smart. I might be rambling now, but the sentiment feels pretty shared across everyone here, that the game was fun when it first came out, when it was simple and things worked for the most part, and now, things do not work, and you'll be hard-pressed to find anyone who is particularly happy across the board with the game. I still have some fun with it because I found what works for me, but that's also after losing so many different options, having to resort to other options that are not any less broken but just less convenient, and having to deal with that because what else is there to do other than just completely quit? I don't know who drank the Kool-Aid harder, the devs or myself, but I don't think anybody is coming out unscathed.
Maintaining such intense focus on gun balance/enemy spawns when there are so many issues since launch, and more added with each patch, is such a baffling state of just terrible priorities on AH part.
I got tired of idiots saying "let them cook" when literally every patch note takes a fun weapon, stratagem, etc, and then nerfs them into pointless crap. They always say they added more buffs, but they dont.. a slightly better crappy gun is still crap. I haven't played in weeks, went for nikke waifu's on PC. Don't have to worry about tons of nerfs anymore.
The issues comes though on what the “right level” is, and it would seem as if the devs think that level is less than people want it to be. With enemies being stronger this does not help in the long run, obviously.
I also think the devs need to chill out with the defend orders we’re all trying so hard to complete major orders just to loose the 5 planets we took the week prior like hellmyer how many times did we liberate that planet?
i think a big issue too was the patch that made like half the players drop like 50% fps the optimization for the game is severly lacking in my opinion specially those who have windows 10
I mean its also just hasnt really added anything majorly new recently. Plus Elden ring, CF25, and plenty of other big releases are pulling people away. People play other games, when they drop a new faction to fight the playercount will go back up for a month or two then repeat.
We’ve barely had any content updates in the last two months if you don’t count warbonds. We need new stratagems, new enemy types, new armor types, vehicles, etc. The last big content addition we had was factory striders and gunships. Since then it’s barely changed outside of buzzkill balance patches that make the game less fun, and more frustrating/boring.
@@Damaged7 I have, and it barely even qualifies as a trickle. You can make it sound like more than it is, and you are. We’ve had the worst warbonds ever (DD got gutted, and PP is the most piss poor excuse for content. Barely any of it is even usable), ONE new mission type, and four superstore armors that have been pretty mid with the exception of White Wolf. Shut up, and piss off with your “uHmM AhcKtUaLlY” energy. There’s been no major content additions, and in you’re in denial if you don’t agree with that.
This is what happens when you leave your game's balance in the hands of the man who "balanced" Hello Neighbor 2 into being DOA and tried to dip to avoid criticism. It's still fun IMO though, you just need a goddamn lot more patience and tolerance for failure though. Just hope the CEO is successful in bringing the balance team back into line, since a healthier approach will be vital for the game's long-term success
Couldn't agree more. Game still has a ton of players and the potential for long term success is still huge. CEO needs to clutch up and next patch has to be massive!
Yes because if gamers had their way the balancing would consist of buffing the quaser to be instant one shot kill with instant reload and all other guns would be nerfed so there isn't a chance you use anything else.
@@Damaged7 Both extremes are bad. “Make weapons that are fun to use and don’t break the game” is what people in general want, don’t let sweaty people who want everything to be a literal cakewalk represent the entire community
@l1ghtd3m0n3 He's just a baby that doesn't want the game to be fun. If it is, then beating helldive wouldn't be as impressive of an accomplishment and that's all he seems to have going for himself.
The game was eventually going to die just because of the gameplay loop. There is only so much you can do if you were playing this game daily for more than 2 hours. That’s why I left. I don’t know what could bring me back besides an expansion pack. I feel like I saw and did everything available in this game already and it was fun but what else is left?
i felt the exact same as this video. They ruined the game for me, destroying every single gun possible while increasing the enemy numbers and adding more dangerous enemies for example the Automatron Gunship. im done with the game and moved on as im simply not having fun. the Eruptor was the nail in the coffin for me
I remember veing a rosy cheeked diver in the first month hearing about how they were going to do a balancing pass. My thought was "fuk yes, now more of the guns are going to be as good as the railgun." Then the patch happened and it was all nerfs and i know that attowheads form of balance just ment nerfs. Every balance patch i played less and less. Now i have no will to play.
Personally, after the rail gun nerf. Things went down hill for me. The nerf made the later difficulties FAR more annoying as all you would get would be changer after charger after charger and Bile Titan after Bile Titan. The change to railgun showed us all just hot obnoxious it was because we spent half the game kiting them. We had no further tools to deal with the problems. Eventually they fixed charger weakness and reduce CD of disposable anti tank making it tolerable. And reducing the respawn of "oops 12 bile titans" This was then overshadow when they nerfed the breaker shotgun making a huge power shift in gun used. Also buffing Hunters indirectly ad now we had 0 solutions for mass hunter. As well as all other guns being weak in comparison. Later they release the LARS rifle which is so popular and used and again nerfed, same with the Quasar Launcher making it all over feeling less desire to invest on weapons. Overall this all ended for me when i found myself fighting for my life against machines air units being spammed and unable to really respond at all. I quit
Funniest thing ever is sony like "what, our game sells and pefectly works all over world? We can't have that! Restrict 180 countries, we don't want their money, fk those people!"
Free the Eruptor, it sucks now. It used to be fun to play and wasn't complete broken but now feels pitiful. The shrapnel is gone and it feels like it does no splash. I can justify decreasing spare mag and mag size but the damage nerf was unnecessary. Fuck the balance team
I don't understand how they claim the Eruptor change is supposed to be a buff. It's almost as if they don't test the changes and just change some numbers and throw it in the game.
@@itseasymodeThat's exactly what they do. They barely play their own game and if they do play it's on really low difficulty. They do, however, nerf things based on pick/winrate. Which has got to be, bar none, the worst and least nuanced way they could've done it. It almost reminds me of the War Thunder balance team. And if you're able to be compared to THAT hive of scum and villainy, you've really messed up.
They've nerfed and fucked with the weapons and strategems so much that there is only really effectively three weapons you can choose from everything else is a waste of time.
@Damaged7 the game really isn't super hard. You can play and win high dif missions with any guns. It's just not fun to use many of the guns for a majority of players, time to kill is way to long for alot of guns and its incredibly annoying to be excited for a gun to drop, use it for a week and really like it and then have it get nerfed and nerfed again. I get it if you like using guns most people don't like, but acting like it's a skill issue is stupid and disingenuous.
@@shaggy3242 Scorcher if you want a gun that can handle anything. Breaker Incendiary against bugs. Dominator against bots (or if you really hate armored bugs). The Sickle for universal light/medium clearing with unlimited ammo. And maybe the Slugger (If you're OK with having just an objectively worse version of the Dominator in return for it having less cancerous handling).
I say it again here, the graph clearly shows that it was not people getting bored, but actually driven away, there are two notable spikes, both before patches that made the game way worse, the first was the balance patch that nerfed the railgun, what it also did was increase armored spawn and spawn across the board and nerf other viable weapons; second one was when the game started crashing every second match for any reason, I remember the patch note with dozens of crash reason, some completely nothing like "starting match" or "calling is support weapon". These two are noticeable because the first one puts the game into a slope, before it was losing thousands of players weekly, from 400k, that's 1-2% attrition, which is normal, the first drop is a sharp drop from an upward trend, that weekend was looking to also only lose a couple thousand players, instead it lost 150k, more than third of the player base in the span of a few days. The second spike is also clearly visible, it was supposed to be a patch that fixes the game, instead it made it literally unplayable with crashes occurring almost every mission, clearly interest was still there, I would say if they actually managed to fix the game we could still have over 300k players currently. They've fucked up every chance they had, the sony shit was just the last nail in the coffin, by now the game barely hits 50k, and they've burned too many bridges to ever bring it back up, this game will be doing thousands at best by the end of the year. Also, Palword is a single player linear game where you are done when you are done with the content, it's not really comparable.
Keep in mind, burn-out is a thing - I played almost non-stop afterwork for the first month and half, but after I reached the original max rank - I kinda started playing maybe a few times a week.
The thing that soured me on HD2 is a few things. Starting off with the awful community managers that keep spitting their customers in the face, Sony being asshats and AH seemingly mismanaged their launch with disabled PSN and no real communication that this will be required nor did they initially bar people from buying it. Followed by the awful balancing attempts. A gun is fun to use and actually feels like it does something insta nerfed, a gun is used because people like it for 1 property (for example stunlock) insta nerf and this since launch. They dont understand that people who use meta loadouts play mostly the hardest difficulty and there it is required to run the strongest stuff because every other weapon or strategem is just inferior. Its crazy to me that they dont understand this that difficulty 7 and above needs you to go with the strongest options otherwise your time will be hard because barely any weapon can kill fast or destroy those high risk targets like Hulkers or Tanks. I honestly feel like they dont want their players to have any fun in said game and treat this like a highly competitive PvP game. Lastly they constantly balance instead of fixing up their game...
100% agreed. But this game is still young. I've got full faith they'll turn it around. How long that will take though? That's the question. If it takes too long, too many players may leave and never come back
--As a new player I really am not finding the game as fun as was told to me by the community.-- Weapons feel anemic and bots feel RIDICULOUSLY op. Whoever is balancing the game is sincerely ruining the game. You're not imagining things.
I bought the game April 10th 2024. Today is May 17th and I have 316h… But only really played EA games up until now on my PS5. I guess I should say thank you to EA for conditioning me that $60 CAD for a game wasn’t bad because it was half the price of some of their ultimate team packs throughout the year.
@@DemocracySpreader Lol facts, I used to play Ultimate Team back in the day. Let's just say... my wallet is much happier now that I don't play it anymore 😅
So i got a 30€ Deal and played pretty much for 1 week straight. I am lvl 37 now and the game is insanely fun. To me it seems that the game is very subjective. I play mostly with friends and had a newbie in the stack most times, maybe thats why? Insert "first time" meme here. I bought the polar patriot warbound just to get the pummeler and it has been even more fun since then. To be fair i kinda run dry after an operation and need to do 2 games of overwatch and maybe a video of helldivers to quickly become motivated again and dont burn out.
17:38 to add to this: They argued that the Eruptor was prone to doing teamkills and the newly added ricochet mechanic had the unintended side effect that the shrapnel can travel up to 50m back to the player and kill you. So instead of removing or reworking this busted mechanic that adds nothing to the game except for randomly punishing you for shooting the horde in a horde shooter, they just nerf the weapon that showcased why this mechanic is not well implemented.
This right here is the reason that made me stop playing. I don't want to fight tooth and nail for a victory because some fuckhead thought "hey, that gun is working, we can't have that" and then gutted it AGAIN
@@r.k845 lol they’ve been caught time and time again for their bullshit yet you morons still pat em on the back. It’s alright bro they’ve only “fine tuned” over 300k into not wanting to play anymore. you yes men are really good for the games future lolol
This is how i play Helldive difficultly: Don’t even drop ordinance. Speedrun to objectives. Skirt around large enemies. Fucking boring. Where’s the no respawn difficulty? There’s no tension or team cohesion that we can use with the tools we’ve been given. Until the dev team changes the balance philosophy I’ll be checked out of the game
Yep. It's so excruciatingly difficult to kill the overtuned hordes on Helldives that you're better off not fighting them. Let me say that again. The enemies are so tedious, that you are better off _not engaging in actual gameplay._
@@jooot_6850Yeah... Came to that conclusion. The meta is avoiding the gameplay to win. What now AH? Also *Cough* *Cough* Ubisoft with siege *Cough* *Cough*.
As of August 6th with the “Escalation of Freedom” update, we are right back to nerfing popular and fun weapons into the dirt. Flamethrowers and Incendiary weapons were nerfed two days before the fire-themed Warbond was released.
Why I refuse to play D2. I stuck it out with D1 sense day one but after D1 I was done, I use that game as a reference when I think about balancing for online loot shooters like how helldivers is slightly. Not entirely but has the same vibe.
this community needs to work together, half say “dude its fine i never had issues so skill issue” then the other half is this, actually addressing and wanting to solve problems. Just because we say something is underpowered doesnt mean we hate the game. this community is borderline toxic.
You mean like the community came together to help all the people who lost access to the game? Oh wait that didn't happen, you had people using those real victims to get what they wanted then left them in the dust. Great community there.
2 months later and this aged like fine wine. Arrowhead is killing the game. They got the bag and just wanna publish games now and move into other stuff and use HD2 as their cash cow like gta5 online for rockstar
Ahhh, Helldivers 2. The game where the core progression loop is to grind credits, samples and medals in order to unlock weapons, armors and grenades just in time for them to be nerfed into the fucking ground because it isn't fair to the pve enemies that can two shot you that your weapons are effective.
Whoever balances the game works for automatons. There is absolutely no reason to nerf many of the weapons. Things become meta now because everything else is simply useless. Primary weapons especially and they re not doing anything about it, they can nerf something right after release but cant fix it all this time? Im getting slowly pissed off and getting tired of using same setup now.
@@Danthepanman1 wtf you talking about? Never used the railgun or quasar or the shield backpack but wanted to try them before the nerf, autocannon wasnt meta now it became meta because all the good ones are nerfed i loved it since the start. You have no fkn clue just like the devs balancing, congrats you got attention.
@@cuppeli the rail gun nerf got 80% reverted(at the cost of being unable to stagger bile titans) The auto cannon was always meta vs the bots The quasar cannon has competition with the eats and the rr now(not on cold planets) The shield gen backpack is still really good but now you actually have a reason to use the ballistic shield This just shows how little you -play- know about the game because stuff like the laser cannon and the ballistic shield are actually viable now
@@Danthepanman1 clearly not my fault following up on those weapons anymore like most the playerbase slowly are not, the big problem is the primary weapons, i stated i never cared for meta those were examples, its not fun to use the primaries except very few sickle, incendiary breaker and dominator. Options are very little and makes it annoying and that is clear with all the responses so no its not a skill issue its getting extremely boring.
@@cuppeli literally skill issue XD Ands it’s not that the options are limited it’s just people refuse to play around their weapons weaknesses The knight smg and every assault rifle are great at clearing chaff but suck at killing devastators so bring the rail gun or auto cannon The counter sniper and the big iron are great at killing devastators but suck at killing chaff so bring the laser cannon or stalwart The sickle is good at everything but killing hulks so bring the laser cannon or rail gun Every single one handed weapon suck at killing heavy devastators so become one with the ballistic shield My favorite loadout is: heavy explosive resist, knight smg, big iron, stun grenades,rail gun, ballistic shield, and 2 other flex stratagems And all but the stuns and railgun aren’t seen that often because people think they aren’t viable because of their weaknesses TLDR: play around your primary and secondary’s weaknesses and you can have a really viable strategy *im not trying to be pretentious or anything I’m trying to say most weapons can be viable if you play around their weaknesses*
Something I haven't seen anyone mention is that some of the post-match stats seem like pure fiction (friendly fire damage and accidentals come to mind) or you get the weird messages that you were offed by a teammate who was already down (so you know that one was wrong or at best misleading). If the metrics on their end are as bad as the info they let us see, then they are making a lot of important choices based on dodgy data. I don't really get the preoccupation with "balance" in a PVE game. As long as the gear is all distinctive and fun to use, and doesn't destabilize the game, then you've succeeded. It isn't like anyone is stopping you from eventually trying out all the stuff, and going with what you like best, so why ruin people's fun because some strategies are more popular than others?
If anything they should always buff never nerf. If everyone is using on primary weapon make all the rest better so they’re viable. How do nerds fuck this kind of stuff up is beyond me. Book smart with no common sense I feel like.
It's a slippery slope. Meta gamers have already been reported as kicking players for not taking certain weapons on higher difficulties. Why wouldn't that increase with a lack of weapon balance? That's unfortunately how society works, we play to the 1% that are such fuckwits they ruin it for the rest of us. Yeah, maybe not all meta gamers are doing that, but enough of them are to a point that it's causing a problem.
@@biggreen8025 That shows how much they understood about their own game, the xbow was niche at best, i tried it once and i hated it because it didn't dealt enough damage, the aim and the drop off damage(drop off on an explosive bolt ?) was too much for me, then they nerfed i was like wtf ? who the hell use this crap ? like i'm at a solid 200 hours and i think i can count in one hand people using it(including me the first time).
the slugger nerf caused me to quit, 131 hours in with 3 warbonds complete every other gun just sucked and i felt myself like quitting the game then the PSN thing came along and i just didnt feel like playing the game whatsoever they shouldnt nerf weapons, they should make all of them fun and powerful for the sake of having fun
I've slowly realized the game is not only not as fun as it used to be, it's becoming irritating in many ways. Some bugs have never been fixed, such as : finding yourself under the map, getting shot at from behing a rock (you can see the laser pass through it), random crashes, some objectives not working, game takes forever to shut down, network issues, sudden major drops in fps, etc. just to name a few. And those are issues that have been present since the release. When you add on top of that the repetitiveness of playing the same maps over and over again, never really discovering new enemies or parts of the solar system, the overall nerfs of the weapons and the buffs of the enemies, it starts to feel like a grinding experience more than just having fun with your team. By order of comparison, I used to complain about the stability of EA servers but lately HD2 has been far worse in that regard.
Yep. When the host leaves that's it. Pelican 1 antics have got old. Vanishing stratregems are infuriating. All the nerfs are BS. The maps are getting very repetitive.
It’s like the whole company is a slave to alexus, how does he have this much power over balancing that the ceo doesn’t even know what’s going on. He single handedly ruined how the game feels, haven’t played since eruptor nerf
My issue was more the fact it broke at some point for my pc and I'm constantly crashing and I've tried all the fixes, but it hasn't worked. If they added a rejoin squad button, then I'd be on a ton more
The simple fact is, nothing much has changed or advanced in any meaningful way in the game. Just an endless stalemate engineered by Joel. As a result, the community, who have been eagerly waiting for the other shoe to drop, another r faction, a major story development, something, anything, have been left hanging with absolutely nothing to talk about but the wild balance changes being implemented at random by the devs, because that's all they've offered the community as they've chased the PvP balancing dragon in their PvE game.
It's a living game..there will obviously be spikes and lulls in content..unless they set it up where the whole campaign is won or lost every few months and resets..there's literally no way to keep advancing the story everyday. I also keep up on leaks so I know the exciting things coming before ..so the game even in the grind doesn't get boring for me
Dude...it has been FOUR MONTHS. Of course the third faction hasn't dropped yet. Yes, the balancing needs to be reworked, but otherwise the game is fine.
@@95DarkFire Exactly. It's been FOUR MONTHS of nothing but erratic and drastic balance changes that did nothing but degrade the experience of their game. Seemingly quite purposefully. The problem isn't simply that the game needs to be balanced. The problem is that they've trying endlessly to fix what ain't broken, rather than focus on the things which are. So go on then. Tell us all what other exciting developments in the game we should all be talking about, which would be more interesting than this. Because if those things existed, this conversation would not. The game is not fine. It's broken and janky, while they chase the PvP balancing dragon in their PvE game, to the detriment of everyone involved. It wastes their time, the players' time and everybody loses.
@@nunyabidness6961You are spitting FACTS my brother! Dont bother with these wannabe contarians. They are just trying to bait a reply out of you because no one else in their lives wants to talk to them 😂
We’re talking like this game is years old lol it’s only been out like 3 months and it’s the most amount of content I’ve seen a developer put out in that time. I remember when games like call of duty would only get 4 major updates in a year (the map packs) with nothing in between. Now we get content EVERY week and people still aren’t happy. I don’t play the game that much but it’s because there are other great games that released.
Last time I played Helldivers was three weeks ago. The bugs were annoying enough already, but the fact that the devs were putting more effort nerfing weapons instead of prioritizing the bugs (game bugs, not terminids) really put me off from playing to this day. Edit, clarification on "bugs"
@@davidspiekenheier3695 thats not really a good analogy. developers are knowledgeable in multiple languages. It's more like a painting crew tasked to paint a property. The house needs more people to paint the interior but the majority of the crew are fixated on painting the fence.
@@Damaged7 Nerfing guns in a PvE game all about large-scale fights and many explosions with overpowered weapons is like when you stop selling coffee in a café and then get shocked people stop coming to your business.
@@Damaged7 you just can’t accept this game is getting hate and criticism over objectively bad decisions. Keep licking AH’s boots in every reply maybe they will throw you a bone one day.
I joined helldivers around the time of malevon creek just a week before the suck patch that created the unending spawn behaviour. The game felt perfect back then, before that patch and it never got back to that feel again.
2 months later, and the only weapon fixed is the spear (depending on the weather). Warbonds that we were told would slow down, keep coming out monthly. And this once great game is still bleeding players daily. But, they are listening (and laughing?).
400hrs in the game, it gone stale. illuminate is not coming out because of sony debacle. 90% of the warbond content are useless. shooting the same thing with the same strat and build over and over again is not that fun after 400 hours... I think they need to go like darktide, give us perks that we can make unique build. trying new build is what keep these game alive. but before making perks, they really need to remember this game is pve, not pvp. they nerf the guns and armor like it's a pvp games... we cannot have fun with that...
Dude, you play the game too much. The game hasn't even been out that long. They have added a bunch of stuff since launch. Yeah, the latest warning wasn't great, but I really don't have the same issues as you because I play other games.
I have played 400+ hrs. I bought five HD2 copies. I had no problems buying in-game currency. What made me leave were the gun nerfs. But I love the HD2 community!
No, what made you leave was your inability to accept balancing in a live service game. You know what you could have done? You could have used any of the other 20 options available to you.... you know, options, in this game where you're given many toys to play with in a toybox.
@@Damaged7why bother when the toys are broken on arrival? They "fixed" the spear lock on at least twice already but i still dont see my rocket leaving the launcher i'll just go play games where i am having fun
The biggest problem without a doubt is the fact that they prefered nerfing guns (which weren't OP in the first place and actually added variety of gameplay) instead of focusing their effort on bugs (no pun intended) and crashes. Waiting for months to see fire work as intended or the Spear being unusable since launch is far more important than nerfing the Eruptor. Priority, AH, priority...
Tbh after playing 200hrs and trying to help new players get into higher difficulty levels I was tired of the "git gud" attitude by the developers and some of the more toxic players. Not to mention the bugs
I came back to hell divers recently and I was surprised that were still on the same 2 enemy types, we havent conquered or experienced any new enemies trying to invade.
if palworld had player gyms like in go then it'd have 100m downloads, one or four gyms per section of the islands with base bonuses depending on each separate gym.
i don't play by a lot of time, i finally reached the eruptor, i was so happy, it got nerfed after 2 days looool I hated them so much ahahah i litterally stopped playing in that moment.
My friends actually haven't played since that happened. Nerfing the eruptor when a lot of people have actually finally scrounged up enough super credits and medals to buy it was the biggest slap in the face, honestly.
Yeah... I could see the ammo reduction, since it still doesn't have ammo problems after that nerf, but they shouldn't have touched anything else. The entire point of the weapon was to allow players to play with an inverse of the normal requirements. Typically, you can't justify bringing a machine gun because you need something that's anti armor, but the eruptor could somewhat fill that role as a primary weapon, and I had a lot of fun treating the eruptor like a bolt action version of the autocannon while swapping the support weapon out for a machine gun. Nerfing it just returned things to the way they were before with less variety of viable builds.
@@cosmicdragon9237 some of these scrubs just wanna roll thru everything mindlessly lol, when that is clearly not how lvl 8+ dives are meant to be I do agree lots of the nerfs suck tho, but the biggest thing that caused the decline is the lack of content. Still no new faction, and the vast majority of the planets are not playable
I stopped playing Helldivers 2 3 months ago. It started out so fun then the nerfing began. None of the new weapons hit and were actually really terrible. Some of the Strategems don't hit like they're shown to do. It's like the only ones that get good nowadays are the enemies and that the players can deal with their peashooters. It feels like a cash grab at this point and this killed any enjoyment I had for the game. So much so that I removed it from my console.
With 200+ hours into Helldivers 2, I don't actually have any issue with 'Content Drought'. I think the game stands very well on it's own two feet. The real reason I'm not logging in is just because the weapon nerfs make playing anything a slog. Eruptor, my beloved, does not do enough damage or even half as much explosive as it did when it first came out. The new Plas-101 takes too long to charge and doesn't even one-shot a scout strider (so what the hell am I charging it for if I'd get more damage with the other plasma weapons?) Most medium penetration weapons can't even kill the striders legs without running down half my mag. That's all against a SCOUT STRIDER. Meanwhile the Heavy Devastator can kill me from 100 meters away while firing backwards and I'm behind a rock. My guns need to feel impactful for Helldivers to be fun and they just... aren't, not to mention half of the weapons aren't even viable for 7+ because so many of them are Light Armor Penetration when most enemies have Medium. Just revert all of the gun nerfs, rebalance magazines so that the ammo pick-ups on the overworld will refill half of your magazines, and make Super Samples drop on Difficulty 6 so us more Casual players can run on lower difficulties and leave Helldives to the True Helldivers.
That's it. They turned it into a slog. We wanted a fun game about blowing up evil robots and fascist bugs with our friends. Instead we got a realistic rendition of cock and ball torture in video game format. It's not hard. It's just not FUN.
Worst sin they commit is having such a big galactic map with different worlds but we have been fighting on the same planets for over 3 months now, the only hope for this game now is the illuminate coming back and even then that’s just going to be a adrenaline shot for its lifespan they sure as hell better use that boost to try and fix things
@@deedeekreep9139 What in this video or comments makes you think we can't get better or that it's a skill issue? I play 9s just fine. Don't ever fail. Doesn't mean the game is as fun as it was last month, or even the month before.
Hot take. The game feels stale not because the game itself is that stale but because the community overdosed on the game in the first few months of its release and became numb to the content. I enjoy the game even to this day despite not playing it very often. I don't read patch notes. I don't interact with the discord or subreddit. I simply log on, pick my favorite gear and play the game with friends. We cycle through many different games. Overdosing on your favorite things is a surefire way to ruin them for yourself. It's important to pace yourself, especially with your favorite things. The nature of it being PVE also means that it's going to be easier to "See everything" than if it's a PVP game. It's honestly a fantastic PVE game and I LOVE that it's not PVP. PVP games oversaturate the market when it comes to co-op experiences. All and all I think the community binging the game as much as they do and trying to force a "Meta" and cracking the game to the extent that they have fully "figured it out." is an issue that plagues games and kills community enjoyment. It's not a simple thing to fix because it's the nature of gamers. Another thing to mention is that just like Palworld, Helldivers 2 getting a smaller more tight knit community is the best thing for it. Having a too loud and non genuine fanbase whose only it in for "The memes" is not sustainable and personally turns me off from games. I almost didn't play Helldivers 2 because the "Democracy" meme were so loud and annoying. A friend gifted me the game however because he genuinely loved it to the extent that he bought it for our entire friend group. He bought 5 copies so we could play. If not for my friend's genuine love for the game and the fact he still plays to this day, I don't think I would of ever given Helldivers 2 a chance because the memes were THAT annoyingly loud and prevalent. I got a bit off topic but I do love Helldivers 2 and I think what they need is a new faction with new missions, new maps, etc to spice things up. Meaningful content. Fantastic video btw. Keep diving helldiver! 😎👊
Unpopular opinion here. The random players for quick match have always been toxic. So many games of playing through a mission only to be kicked at the end so a randos friend could join actively preventing me from getting rewards and wasting 20-30 mins. It really killed my want to play the game without a group of friends period.
@@TheSakufighter interestingly looking up Arrowheads releases on Steam it seems as though they've exclusively produced games on contracts with other publishers and don't quite own any of the games they've created. Magicka? Published by Paradox with a sequel made by other people. Helldivers? Sony Gauntlet slayer edition? WB games It seems as though Arrowhead doesn't have a single original IP to its name, which to be honest is quite the red flag in the current state of indie games.
I started playing a bit after the whole 'malevelon creek' thing. It really feels like they don't WANT you to win. I stopped playing because nothing was good, none of the weapons or stratagems where ever powerful, the second we get even a slight advantage they nerf it into the ground. I get the game is supposed to be hard, but getting chased around by ten unkillable chargers for the whole game, just isn't doing it for me.
Same here, I wish I was there for that battle. But yeah, I’m not a fan of how they do the ‘story’ as a proper narrative would better give context on what the tone is for each major order we do.
A big part as well is so many of us have unlocked everything and nothing to earn. We are maxxed out on all resources. At the start the game we all wanted to level up to earn more medals and slips for guns and strats. We would risk it all to get samples and got a good dopamine hit when we managed to extract with a massive bounty of samples.
Apparently, it was all a single dude that needed to be moved away from his desk... the CEO stepped down straight into his desk, and is now doing massive amounts of damage control on it. shit is gonna take awhile, but it will get done. (to be more technical: the man in charge of "Quality Assurance" on the Balancing was not a avid player of the game itself, so he was entirely out-of-touch about most changes... relying heavily on reacting to player feedback instead of asking for it.)
I think what is so repetitive about the game is that most planets are the same, they should make every planet separate with its own geography and planets, not the same trees on every others planet
@@blknmongl342 I thought it was like some huge super colony, sorta like helldivers, although it’s obvious that the mites on the walls, parasites, plants, and loot bugs are different species EDIT whoops, wrong comment, i was commenting on a different DRG video 😅 but yes drg is flushed out more
@@blknmongl342 I wish it was more like drg or monster hunter world, for there environmental depth and replay ability, if I’m burnt out and there is no game that fells good to play at the moment, monster hunter world has never let me down
Legit the best strategy, I kid you not, on every map and difficulty is to use 4 sentries and let the game play for you At least they do damage unlike primaries
Arrowhead has absolutely no idea what they are doing and this was painfully obvious from their first "balance" update. There was simply no other way this could have played out with a developer team that's so incompetent.
It's really annoying that new content, wether or not it is paid, was clearly not play tested with the examples of the mech and the crossbow changes. Mech just didn't work good and after their "fix" the rockets just suck to use now. The crossbow's identity was completely changed after we got used to it for a couple weeks so they clearly never actually understood what they wanted from the crossbow and didn't test it enough to then take away a favorite nich weapon.
So, if the team was “out of the loop”, then that means Alexus never relayed the issues about balance properly about balance to said team and has gone rogue in making all the decisions he thinks is best. Basically he’s making a game that he thinks is fun when it should be the other way around.
Stop wasting your time obsessing over stupid shit outside the game like this. What does it do for you? Name one instance where following shit like this improved the game for you? Never. Its never happened.
Trying to nerf things in a PVE game cause it's too overpowered for AI is stupid. It's just like Siege trying to nerf all the shooting in their shooting game
Why not instead of nerfing the op stuff because everyone uses it, why not make everything else as good as the thing they’re trying to nerf so people have other options….
Warbonds shouldn't be monthly honestly it's an insane rate of new armor, weapon, boosters and nades. In no way can you keep making it interesting and impactful with that rate. A 3-4 or 6 month schedule would probably be more reasonable.
Of course you can't but what other option do they have when they have to deal with gamers? You know, the elitist entitled bunch that won't ever shut the hell up and just play the game. Gotta appease them or they'll start running campaigns to kill your game.
They need to dial every weapon up to overpowered, in my opinion. Is there still having difficulties killing players, then add more difficulty settings. It doesn't seem that hard. But everyone, should be able to get super samples on a regular basis. Since they're necessary for moving forward and your upgrades.
@@taxman3749 why would i do that? The game is balanced for teamplay. If you balance it for solo, then you make playing with 4 players trivial. If you wanna play solo, more power to you. But you chose that in a team game. You handicapped yourself.
Since asking for buffs and not giving any ideas is more complaining that actually fixing the problem, let's get into some of my ideas for the big balance patch. The purpose of this is to give some underused/underated weapons some time in the sun. For starters, lets cover some of the most mid weapons that really need a buff. I will not be touching magsize or mags carried (with one execption later down the line). but anything else is up to be changed. Note for AP. Direct Hit: less than 25 degrees. Slight Angle: Less than 60 degrees. Large Angle: Less than 80 degrees. Sharp Angle: 80 degrees or larger. The CB-9 Exploding crossbow. Goal: Increase it's capablity at horde clea Fire rate increased to 150 bolts per second. Thus the DPS is nearly tripled, to 1050. Do note that this also increase the ammo expendature. Reload speed is increased. This was after using the weapon I felt that I could never shoot bolts fast enough. The Plas Purifier. Goal: Make the weapon better and more unique. The AOE damage is increased by 100, it now should be able to one shot a scout strider to the front armor. Like it does in the trailer. You can fire with a parital or no charge by quickly tapping the key, charging increases the area damage from 75 to 250. The Eruptor. Goal: Bring back the power of this weapon. Explosive Damage falloff reduced. Returning the shrapnel in a fashion that doesn't instantly kill the operator from 50m would require a lot of finicky codework that I don't want to put the devs through. This will help bring back a bit of it's old glory. Armor penetration on direct hits are now 4, the same as the AMR. This allows usage against scout striders' front sheild and notably, Hulk's visors. But you gotta hit e'm Dead on, which would take some good positioning, good aim, and nerves of steel. This give a bit of the high skill ceiling back to players. R-63 Diliegence. Goal: We should have a sniper more suited for bugs, shouldn't we? Fire rate increased to 450, same as the verdict. Durable damage increased to 25. Ajduicator Goal: Make it more usable, in a general sense, but maintain it's identity as a battle rifle. Reload speed increased. Damage dropoff decreased. Liberator Concusive. Goal: Update. The Liberator concussive now uses the Pummeler's stun effect, which should dratically increase it's viability. Basically the liberator just has jacked stagger values, while the Pummeler has a dedicated effect for stunning enemies. Tenderizer. Goal: give it identiy and more of a role. Durable damage increased to 45. The Beam Laser weapons. Goal: Increase their versitily and abilty to be used. These weapons can now light enemies on fire if the beam is focused for a period of time. Regardless of armor level. P-113 Verdict. Goal: More Handcannon, it is supposed to be a Super Deagle. Medium AP on Driect and Slight angle hits. Damage increased damage to 150, oh yeah, you can one-tap devestators now. Magsize reduced to 7, because Deagle. Mags carried and resupplied increased to 10. (You lose out on about 10 rounds total, big whoop). Recoil increased to 40, (Same as the Adjuicator, so don't go hog wild on that trigger finger). There is a bit of nerfing and buffing, but since I am basically giving you a pocket dillegence CS, I think there needs to be some form of balance.
I remember when i said there weren't enough servers and they had to turn some new ones on. Some derp youngin thinks they knew so much about the industry and couldn't just turn more on. I'm like; lulz they shift servers over, load the stuff up needed and patch them in. They could get this done in less than three days. They doubted me, in less than two days more servers were up.
They really need to leave fun things fun, and aim towards making the overall gameplay feel FUN and enjoyable. It does not need to be perfectly pvp-blanced since it's a PvE game. Allow us as players to have fun and feel powerful when we spread democracy and freedom against the threats of humanity. For example the Eruptor, it was amazingly fun to use with the explosion radius. They they added "ricochets now hit YOU" which lead to explosion hitting yourself and your team. Then they removed 50% ammo. Then they removed the explosion. Now the Eruptor is in a sad sad sad state. No longer the Eruptor, but the "slugger" in sniper form.
i constantly get kicked from games with a message that says i disconnected. Then once back in my ship it won't let me join a game. I have to exit the game, verify file integrity. two files fail to verify. then once complete the game works again. It happens every day now.
Yep same here I give up it so frustrating spending all that time in game you finally extract and get either kicked or disconnected no xp gains or progression you lose it all
My biggest issue with the game is playing long missions and getting no rewards at the end - either because someone is trolling and boots people right before extraction, or because the game glitches. I am a casual player and usually dont have time for a long play session, so to have my entire free time for the day ruined by trolling or glitches really sucks. The nerfs are also annoying. I dont have time to follow every change to the game or to unlock and test every piece of gear - once I find a loadout I like, it would be nice if that loadout remained usable and didnt suddenly get turned to crap by nerfs. I was so into this game when it released, but the bugs, trolling, nerfs etc make it a frustrating game these days. It's been out long enough I feel like it shouldnt be so buggy anymore.
You know what this reminds me of, and a great analogy for what's been happening to Helldivers 2, is that episode of Fairly Oddparents(wait come back, stay with me here here!), where Timmy wished for everyday to be Christmas. First couple of days were fantastic, great, fun, enjoyable, but the everyday afterwards was getting worse and worse; wasn't as many gifts, and the gifts he got were utter trash. This is pretty much what's happening, from what I've seen with Helldivers 2; Arrowhead can't keep up with the supply of demand from the players. First couple of months of the game was great, everything was new, stealth dropping new enemies or mission types, so players had some more wow factor, as well as fun conversations amongst each other. Now queue in the nerfs of weapons, and buffs of enemies, and the lack of newer unique weapons to stand out on their own, as well as some other things; and we've got the major issue that's been plaguing a lot of players. This game is supposed to be a challenging power fantasy, where we're playing "righteous" Liberators of the galaxy from the powerful Super Earth; we shouldn't be getting nerfed at all, if anything the enemies should be getting tougher, while we stay the same, or become stronger along with them. If they saw one "meta" was being overly used, you DON'T nerf it to the ground(in my opinion at least), you buff other weapons/strategems to that level so players have more options to toss around, then going to the tried and true. A PvE orientated game shouldn't be getting such massive nerfs, before getting bugs and glitches fixed first. I've complained so much on how Arrowhead should rework some strategems, mainly the support ones, sense we have so many of them, as well as some of the other guns, maybe even introduce a new status like Chilled, so then we'd have Arc, Burning, and Chilled to take on enemies. We all know, from the leaks, they plan on adding in more stategems and the Illuminate, but at that point, it'll be little too late, probably. I really wish they didn't add in armor stats or perks, because they're pretty worthless, as well as unimpactful for the most part(outside of having more grenades or stims), especially if they didn't put any on the helmets. If they were going to have perks like that, they should've made it where you just chose which one to equip onto you, kind of like the Boosters. There's been many issues with the game since launch, and after first they bothered me, but I had to start looking over them to fully enjoy the game, and in hopes they would eventually fix them or rework them in some fashion. Some of them have been fixed, but many others have gotten worse, or just overall untouched. I'm hoping Arrowhead figures it out, because I'd hate to see them not a year, when they've done so much in this gaming market. The game could really do with some different side content or something, to break the loop, something to use your Req on, since I'm sure a lot of players are already maxed out on upgrades at this point, so thus being maxed out on Req. Hell, it'd be cool if they added Rush type operation missions, where you need to power through an enemy stronghold to get to the objective, pick it up, and run back to the extract. As much as I love the immersion of the galaxy being a live and missions coming and going based on what's require of us; I really feel like we could do with something that sticks for the long haul, especially when it's so damn enjoyable. It definitely needs more content, for the amount that players eat up, to keep us preoccupied till newer major orders come out; hell, I'd be down with going to Super Earth and having some weird Civilian life Sim, I don't know, distractions can be good from the chaos of war. I'd also be down with having more customization options, because there's no reason that they couldn't have just made where we could unlock different colors for capes and armors, when they already have the same armor with a different color palette. I'd be all for grinding Req to buy different colors/skins for specific armors, instead of a long list of armors that are practically the same, but different only by their decal or color.
I think they should focus on bug fixes first, balance second, and new content third. They've already talked about adding more people so it should get better soon. I suggest patience.
Regarding the smaller glitches and bugs - they are very damaging in a game like this, and it's plain to see on higher difficulties. Once I was running away from berserkers, doing some run of the mill dives. Then, when I happened to dive on a small rock, the game decided it's time to ragdoll me, which resulted in me being mauled to death by said berserkers. Stratagems, like the all important hellbombs, turn blue and bounce around like it's pinball, forcing the team to call in another one because it's too far from the target. On Helldive, a few seconds wasted by a glitch can sometimes throw games. This is precisely what makes the community upset. It just doesn't feel good to have your plays dumped on by bugs and glitches.
To be fair the only reason the Community turned into a "PvP-Like" Community is because
the Devs treat this game like a PvP game for some reason
Player vs Publisher
HD2,beyond-dull,boring,vapid.......
Which is kinda jarring given their instance towards PvP.. I appreciate the fact they don't want to add PvP, as it would either be bland or negatively influence PvE, but I just can't understand all the concert about balance and metas...
it's pve but the developers want it to remain a difficult game, which is why they nerf weapons that are too strong.
exacly
It's important to note that while yes, they do nerf a ton of weapons, more importantly they directly and indirectly buff enemies on TOP of nerfing weapons. Notably the arc thrower. They nerf the range, increase charge time, but increase stagger so you could stunlock Hulks and everybody loved it. Then they decide to buff Hulk stagger resist so you can no longer stagger Hulks. Eruptor can take down scout striders in one shot? Guess we'll nerf the eruptor, make it so that there's almost no reason to take it, and then buff scout striders resistance to explosive damage so it takes more time to kill for explosive weapons in general now.
Wait I used the arc thrower the other day because I found it in mission and I still locked down a hulk. 🤔
The scout strider thing really hurts it. Feels useless against them
explosive weapons have such little ammo too, but even worse is they actually take your primary slot so it's worse of a nerf than people think vs grenade launcher or anything strategem
@theSixPathsOfTrains Didn't work for me and I just used it in a match. Maybe it depends on difficulty.
imo this actually makes the game more interesting and you can headcanon it as the automatons/terminids getting stronger/more advanced.
developers have a strange fetish of wanting to nerf everything into the fucking ground and balance the fun out of the game. despite the game being PVE
No, its not Devs in this case its gamers. Its literally babies crying over anything that moves or makes a sound.
@Damaged7 seemed like no one had issues until... the devs did a thing. Idk what it was though....
The most balanced game ever released was the original MW2. literally everything was broken, and there were numerous bugs, etc, yet everyone loved the game.
I work in the industry, the game is fine and the devs are doing the right thing.
They are in what is called the Sustainment Phase. This covers 3 things. Working casually on dlc, while wrapping up bug fixes that couldnt get in before launch, and balancing. It is there literal job to make the game more balanced. Thinking it being PVE means you dont need balance is extremely incorrect and foolish, I remember when every player used the railgun and only the railgun, pissed me off, glad they nerfed it. Cause otherwise what is the point of having other stuff. And also its infinitely easier to nerf something than to buff everything else.
@@CptOriginalIf everyone wants to use the same thing, let them. No point in making it shit so that nobody will want to use it.
3 months in, and no vehicles with wheels...
the worst part is these vehicles are fully functional in game files and have been for months. I get not dropping content all at once, but the trickle is too damn slow. I'm getting bored waiting for all of these new cool things because it feels like it'll take months for us to get content thats been ready to go.
@@bobsempletank5362Complaint heard. We will be increasing Hunter spawn rates by 500%
@@jooot_6850GOD I HATE THE NON OUT RUNNABLE JUMPY GUYS they’re actually worse then chargers and chargers suuuuck
@@mrwubs._ scavengers are at the top of the most annoying thing in helldivers 2, they always FUCKING SNITCH AND JUST RUN TOWARDS YOU AND SURROUND YOU.
@@mrwubs._complaint recieved, increasing Charger spawn by 2000%
The honeymoon phase didnt just end. It was ripped away from us.
No sympathy for people who go through the honeymoon phase, was complaining about stuff like this ages ago got my posts deleted
@loafofbread9400 same it's hilarious but we can say "told you so" it's been the same shit since launch, hell even the levels are unfinished and just not fun to play
@@AlejandroKirkisObeselevels unfinished? tf u on abou5
@haholaer4058 you obviously never played or are just brain bead or maybe blind. Not to mention the recycled armors, same shit different copy paste color selector. Game is dead and when warhammer space marine 2 comes out Sept 9th it'll be buried for good.
Go Play ED5 my dudes. Join the EDF and defend earth from alien invasion! Its the better game!
The back cover of the game of Helldivers literally states , “spread democracy with overpowered weapons.”
Now they're barely powered at best.
Feels like LaserTag with the occasional bullet coming out the barrel.
It’s nerfdivers 2 with nerf guns. Spread democracy by tickling your opponents
Meanwhile a 500 kg Bomb doesn't do any damage at more then 5m radius around it.
False advertising, it should say, spread democracy with laughable peashooter weapons. 👍
or the simplest thing ever, stop nerfing things in a PVE game!
They are
I think they need to buff everything back to the original. And if a gun is not being used, because it sucks, then buff that gun until people start using it a little more. It's not fucking rocket science.
@@taxman3749and if it's a little too easy then buff the enemies to make it more difficult. It's funner to kill strong enemies with strong guns then weak enemies with weak guns. It seems obvious
I think everybody forgot this all started because people were using the “meta” and kicked other people
@@The_Lord_Vaderi love how a few cases probably caused by those redditors being snobby redditors blew that micro issue out of proportion
I think it is important to remember people bitch so much is because they care and want this game to be better. Otherwise people just wouldn’t say anything and stop playing.
"People boo because they want to cheer."
It's the truth.
I agree with that completely, but I feel like everyone went too crazy about the rail gun/shield pack nerf. You could just shred everything with your brain turned off lol
The first thing they need to fix out of the 3 issues that were brought up in the video are the game bugs. There are far too many of them for a game that's been out this long. I've just had a valve objective bug out and my team left as they didn't wish to wait 20+ mins until the time up.
The balancing is bad for far too many weapons but there are decent main weapons currently that are still usable.
The warbond issue makes the game lacking in new content but their first 2 premium warbonds
have lots of nice stuff in there.
@@firedrapeon6012 I agree. I’ve waisted more time than I’m willing to doing a runs and loosing all mission progress because of bugs.
@@biggy2556 yes, but the real problem is that instead of there being a meta, now there is a "only viable strategy available", at least in the past the railgun was actually useful, now Antimaterial Rifle is a viable railgun and there is no reason to take the railgun over AMR, there is no reason to take the railgun at all in fact, every weapon has at least more than one use except for the spear, Railgun is only really useful for taking down one specific enemy, the hulk bots
The issue is they are balancing around the top 1% of gamers. And as weird as it seems, I often find that difficulty 7 and 8 is WAY easier than difficulty 5 and 6. It is easier to kill 2-3 bile titans or hulks than to mow through a thousand chaf enemies that sometimes randomly one shot you, and lower difficulty is just flooded with chaf.
The biggest issue for me are the constant disconnects. I could always play Halo 3, old COD games, Battlefield Bad Company 2 etc back in the day with minimum issues and yet me and my friends are lucky if we can go one day of playing HD2 without horseshit disconnects, sometimes having to close and reopen the game just to rejoin. This completely fucked me and my friend over the other day just when we called in a Pelican, causing us to lose all the samples we collected.
I paid money for this game and yet it's too much to ask for the matchmaking to just work as it should?
It's not *only* that most weapons suck, it's the thought that EVEN IF I find something fun cus it's effective, it'll get nerfed into the ground. All while the enemies get harder my tools get taken away. That's great for player agency. Thanks Alexus: who already did this to Hello Neighbor 2.
the division 2:
Nothing is "nerfed into the ground" lol 😆
@@deedeekreep9139 Least delusional Helldivers 2 player.
@@deedeekreep9139 let me introduce you “The Eruptor”
Since the nerf i saw a Whopping ONE (1) players use it
It have been made that much useless lmao
If i was a Eruptor main i would be livid
@@deedeekreep9139 most weapons are c tier or lower. In fact, its ridiculous that there's far more F-tier than S-tier
I really hate the Railgun revisionism we see now. The RG was not broken, it took two shots to a chargers leg to strip the armor, then three more to kill. It took 12-16 shots to a bile titan head to kill them as well. The reason it was nerfed was because the devs dislike Meta and they were trying to hide a game-breaking PS5 bug that allowed people to one shot or two shot Bile Titans. This bug also affected the Recoiless Rifle but nobody noticed because of the reload.
but nobody wants to take 20 shots for one bile with a R A I L G U N
@Micecheese The Railgun is *supposed* to be a middle ground between heavy weapons and medium weapons. Quick Reload time and no backpack. It really isn't intended for Biles and the pre nerf version reflected that. The RG was perfect for Commanders, Spewers and chargers. It could take out a bile in a jam, but you should have a railcannon or RR for that
RG is still able to do everything. just use it on unsafe that’s the real point of the gun high armour piercing but the cost being time you can’t over charge it or you die just takes a bit of skill to manage but it’s not that hard
So that’s why I used to sometimes one shot BT with a recoiless. Used to hear everyone complain about how shit the RR was until I become the anti tank guy. Now I see why it’s been taking 2-3 lately
No one was doing that loop for chargers, you would break the leg, then swap to your breaker and kill the charger pretty much instantly. Bile Titans have had a bug, maybe it's been fixed, but they take more damage with a Playstation player, allowing the RG to 2 tap a Bile Titan.
The game went from being fun.. to being part of a focus group experiment on how to manage a live service game.
The game is still fun. If you went out of your way to focus on shit outside the game to make yourself miserable then thats your fault... You did that.
How that boot tasting i swear i see yoh everywhere. Why are you covering the devs' mistakes and issue that cause turmoil and player complaints and to leave huh. Are you being paid to do this?@Damaged7
@@Damaged7then why the playercount dropping?
Is your brain @Damaged7
@@Damaged7 The game is still fun! for sure.. But its just as fun for me, to find a new game, learn the mechanics and then move on. I recently started playing SpaceStation 13. That shit was crazy hard to learn. Honestly being a gamer since aged 4, i am one thats hard to keep. I am almost at the point where- I am going to leave gaming forever, as I cannot keep up with the monetized motivations of game devs. I once used to study video game design, I am aware of the pillars of design and the mechanics of design. I gave that up in search of becoming a doctor to add to my community. I was expecting a plethoria of content being added. With the increased level count (I am fleet commander atm) i WOULD have loved a pathway to earn unlocks etc.. Instead, the previous CEO stepped down, couldnt handle the pressure. I am at the point where, I might just get video games for nostalgia purposes- rather than participate in the current state of video games. I am not alone in my sentiment. Your opinions make me feel you are really.. stubborn, uneducated and a perfect consumer of video games titles. You're the reason the games industry went from a niche-nomenclature of artistic, neurodivergent and nerdy peoples- Into a kardassian style episodic binge-watcher ethos of a circus.
The only two issues I have with Helldivers is very simple ones.
1. The devs keep nerfing the dumb fun stuff out of the game, which always is a negative for me. I hated it when Grounded did it with its equipment and that game was a PvE survival game.
2. The community manager basically banning and weeding out anyone who doesn't like their politics, despite the lead developers saying Helldivers 2 would be purely apolitical.
Yes, my apolitical game about stealing space oil from aliens, just like my apolitical game about fighting WW2 Germany and GWOT Not-Iraq.
@@shellshockedgerman3947 Okay Helldiver's 2 and those games where you participate in military wars ARE NOT THE SAME THING
@@shellshockedgerman3947ah yes my apolitical game that actively clowns on hyper nationalism, chauvinism, etc (not disagreeing just adding more.
@christianbouchard8541 get fucking smoked lmao. You can't sit here with a straight face and think this game and it's devs in any way are apolitical
before PSN issue: 300k active players
after the PSN issue: 70k active players
speak in volumes. thanks sony for ruining a beautiful game
It's not just sony... but yeah that as well
Arrowhead has its fair share of bad they ain't innocent
They were losing players before that.
@@kingpinavatar Nahh the player count is stable around 200k-300k before the psn Issue. now its just 40k-50k LMAO even LD2 has more player count
@@kurisutina8067bs. The average base for pc was around 65k and peak was 125k. (Ps player are not interesting because they were not affected). The average in total was around 120-140k. The mainproblem wasnt Sonys dickmove but the complet idiotic patch 1.000.300
Too many people concerned about power creep in a PvE game. It’s not power creep, it’s a galactic arms race. Lore wise, does it make sense for the weapons of war to devolve?
It’s a funny thing huh, why I think the game needs to embrace more lore into it as of right now the lore feels too scared to fully embrace and flesh out a narrative.
side not, power creep is more of an issue of making everything else not feel worth using and the stakes being raised just gets more taxing on literally everything in a game in pve setting so but nerfing things into the ground also doesn’t help understand what the difficulty of the game is :P
Lore-wise I always figured more need=corners cut/ simplified=lower quality. Good examples are inter-war 1930s firearms quality vs mid/late WW2 firearms quality.
using lore to excuse dumb nerfs is such a stupid thing shut up nerd
I feel like this is One of the biggest points. They kind of treat it like a Warhammer or d&d game or something, where balance of certain items would be a factor, only if you could actually obtain those and the set amount of items was already dictated by the game mechanics. The fact that there are so many weapons that get left in the dust at any given point is just disheartening, even if you really like a gun, who's going to use it when you can't affectively take out the mobs in higher levels? The meta is only meta because they do the most effective job across the board, otherwise people would be using everything else that would be in its class.
In a real war, you use the most effective tool for the position that you're in. You're definitely going to be using bigger guns to take out bigger targets, that's just the way of the land. If the highest difficulties have the biggest monsters and they're the most often ones, of course you're going to take the biggest and best guns for that particular job. I don't think logic and balance are on the same team here.
Balance only applies like this in a PVP because otherwise everybody's going to use the exact same gun, and that does get boring. While I understand the need to fix broken mechanics, the mechanics of the guns that were meta before were not broken, and they were nerfed because they wanted to hide actual broken mechanics that people figured out. I think what's happening is the devs are trying to play a cat and mouse game with their expectations versus what they expect the audience to do, but there's a lot more audience than them, and I'll figure it out way quicker than they expect, so they have to about face every time and create some BS in order for them to save face or look smart.
I might be rambling now, but the sentiment feels pretty shared across everyone here, that the game was fun when it first came out, when it was simple and things worked for the most part, and now, things do not work, and you'll be hard-pressed to find anyone who is particularly happy across the board with the game. I still have some fun with it because I found what works for me, but that's also after losing so many different options, having to resort to other options that are not any less broken but just less convenient, and having to deal with that because what else is there to do other than just completely quit? I don't know who drank the Kool-Aid harder, the devs or myself, but I don't think anybody is coming out unscathed.
But if the bugs And bots just get tougher And bigger then the weapons would be less effective right? (Lore wise)
Maintaining such intense focus on gun balance/enemy spawns when there are so many issues since launch, and more added with each patch, is such a baffling state of just terrible priorities on AH part.
100%
Without actually stating any problems... Well done
@@MyFantapantsdid we not watch the same video?
tbh, balance is probably very easy to change - just change numbers, probably no coding involved at all.
I got tired of idiots saying "let them cook" when literally every patch note takes a fun weapon, stratagem, etc, and then nerfs them into pointless crap. They always say they added more buffs, but they dont.. a slightly better crappy gun is still crap. I haven't played in weeks, went for nikke waifu's on PC. Don't have to worry about tons of nerfs anymore.
They shouldn't be nerfing guns but bringing other guns up to the right level.
The issues comes though on what the “right level” is, and it would seem as if the devs think that level is less than people want it to be. With enemies being stronger this does not help in the long run, obviously.
I also think the devs need to chill out with the defend orders we’re all trying so hard to complete major orders just to loose the 5 planets we took the week prior like hellmyer how many times did we liberate that planet?
Oh fun glad I don't care enough for the game but if I did way to put the cherry on top the ice cream I mean ffs this would be annoying
i think a big issue too was the patch that made like half the players drop like 50% fps the optimization for the game is severly lacking in my opinion specially those who have windows 10
I mean its also just hasnt really added anything majorly new recently. Plus Elden ring, CF25, and plenty of other big releases are pulling people away. People play other games, when they drop a new faction to fight the playercount will go back up for a month or two then repeat.
We’ve barely had any content updates in the last two months if you don’t count warbonds.
We need new stratagems, new enemy types, new armor types, vehicles, etc.
The last big content addition we had was factory striders and gunships. Since then it’s barely changed outside of buzzkill balance patches that make the game less fun, and more frustrating/boring.
They’re clearly making enough money to hire people 🤦🏼♂️
Also why is it still region locked
Um in those two months we've gotten new missions types, new armor, new weapons, new stratagems, new upgrades....
Like.... pay attention.
@@Damaged7 I have, and it barely even qualifies as a trickle. You can make it sound like more than it is, and you are. We’ve had the worst warbonds ever (DD got gutted, and PP is the most piss poor excuse for content. Barely any of it is even usable), ONE new mission type, and four superstore armors that have been pretty mid with the exception of White Wolf.
Shut up, and piss off with your “uHmM AhcKtUaLlY” energy. There’s been no major content additions, and in you’re in denial if you don’t agree with that.
@@Damaged7na bro you just a smip for the game. face the facts, All the content they released was minor and not important
This is what happens when you leave your game's balance in the hands of the man who "balanced" Hello Neighbor 2 into being DOA and tried to dip to avoid criticism.
It's still fun IMO though, you just need a goddamn lot more patience and tolerance for failure though. Just hope the CEO is successful in bringing the balance team back into line, since a healthier approach will be vital for the game's long-term success
Couldn't agree more. Game still has a ton of players and the potential for long term success is still huge. CEO needs to clutch up and next patch has to be massive!
Yes because if gamers had their way the balancing would consist of buffing the quaser to be instant one shot kill with instant reload and all other guns would be nerfed so there isn't a chance you use anything else.
@@Damaged7 Both extremes are bad. “Make weapons that are fun to use and don’t break the game” is what people in general want, don’t let sweaty people who want everything to be a literal cakewalk represent the entire community
@l1ghtd3m0n3 He's just a baby that doesn't want the game to be fun. If it is, then beating helldive wouldn't be as impressive of an accomplishment and that's all he seems to have going for himself.
The game was eventually going to die just because of the gameplay loop. There is only so much you can do if you were playing this game daily for more than 2 hours. That’s why I left. I don’t know what could bring me back besides an expansion pack. I feel like I saw and did everything available in this game already and it was fun but what else is left?
i felt the exact same as this video. They ruined the game for me, destroying every single gun possible while increasing the enemy numbers and adding more dangerous enemies for example the Automatron Gunship. im done with the game and moved on as im simply not having fun. the Eruptor was the nail in the coffin for me
Increase rate of fire + sensitivity in scope
It’s like they don’t play their own game. Why make the game frustrating to play? We are playing to feel OP because life sucks.
just play on a lower difficulty
@@CatalystAI-Vision you say that but super samples are locked in the 3 highest tiers.
@@TheSakufighter Real lol life def sucks
I remember veing a rosy cheeked diver in the first month hearing about how they were going to do a balancing pass. My thought was "fuk yes, now more of the guns are going to be as good as the railgun." Then the patch happened and it was all nerfs and i know that attowheads form of balance just ment nerfs. Every balance patch i played less and less. Now i have no will to play.
Personally, after the rail gun nerf. Things went down hill for me.
The nerf made the later difficulties FAR more annoying as all you would get would be changer after charger after charger and Bile Titan after Bile Titan.
The change to railgun showed us all just hot obnoxious it was because we spent half the game kiting them. We had no further tools to deal with the problems. Eventually they fixed charger weakness and reduce CD of disposable anti tank making it tolerable. And reducing the respawn of "oops 12 bile titans"
This was then overshadow when they nerfed the breaker shotgun making a huge power shift in gun used. Also buffing Hunters indirectly ad now we had 0 solutions for mass hunter. As well as all other guns being weak in comparison.
Later they release the LARS rifle which is so popular and used and again nerfed, same with the Quasar Launcher making it all over feeling less desire to invest on weapons.
Overall this all ended for me when i found myself fighting for my life against machines air units being spammed and unable to really respond at all. I quit
Funniest thing ever is sony like "what, our game sells and pefectly works all over world? We can't have that! Restrict 180 countries, we don't want their money, fk those people!"
Free the Eruptor, it sucks now. It used to be fun to play and wasn't complete broken but now feels pitiful. The shrapnel is gone and it feels like it does no splash. I can justify decreasing spare mag and mag size but the damage nerf was unnecessary. Fuck the balance team
I don't understand how they claim the Eruptor change is supposed to be a buff. It's almost as if they don't test the changes and just change some numbers and throw it in the game.
@@itseasymodeThat's exactly what they do. They barely play their own game and if they do play it's on really low difficulty. They do, however, nerf things based on pick/winrate. Which has got to be, bar none, the worst and least nuanced way they could've done it.
It almost reminds me of the War Thunder balance team. And if you're able to be compared to THAT hive of scum and villainy, you've really messed up.
They've nerfed and fucked with the weapons and strategems so much that there is only really effectively three weapons you can choose from everything else is a waste of time.
What’s even good now because I haven’t played in a min
@@shaggy3242The laser canon is still solid, dominator too.
That’s basically it unironically lmao.
Then you're just not good.
@Damaged7 the game really isn't super hard. You can play and win high dif missions with any guns. It's just not fun to use many of the guns for a majority of players, time to kill is way to long for alot of guns and its incredibly annoying to be excited for a gun to drop, use it for a week and really like it and then have it get nerfed and nerfed again. I get it if you like using guns most people don't like, but acting like it's a skill issue is stupid and disingenuous.
@@shaggy3242 Scorcher if you want a gun that can handle anything.
Breaker Incendiary against bugs.
Dominator against bots (or if you really hate armored bugs).
The Sickle for universal light/medium clearing with unlimited ammo.
And maybe the Slugger (If you're OK with having just an objectively worse version of the Dominator in return for it having less cancerous handling).
I say it again here, the graph clearly shows that it was not people getting bored, but actually driven away, there are two notable spikes, both before patches that made the game way worse, the first was the balance patch that nerfed the railgun, what it also did was increase armored spawn and spawn across the board and nerf other viable weapons; second one was when the game started crashing every second match for any reason, I remember the patch note with dozens of crash reason, some completely nothing like "starting match" or "calling is support weapon". These two are noticeable because the first one puts the game into a slope, before it was losing thousands of players weekly, from 400k, that's 1-2% attrition, which is normal, the first drop is a sharp drop from an upward trend, that weekend was looking to also only lose a couple thousand players, instead it lost 150k, more than third of the player base in the span of a few days. The second spike is also clearly visible, it was supposed to be a patch that fixes the game, instead it made it literally unplayable with crashes occurring almost every mission, clearly interest was still there, I would say if they actually managed to fix the game we could still have over 300k players currently. They've fucked up every chance they had, the sony shit was just the last nail in the coffin, by now the game barely hits 50k, and they've burned too many bridges to ever bring it back up, this game will be doing thousands at best by the end of the year.
Also, Palword is a single player linear game where you are done when you are done with the content, it's not really comparable.
Keep in mind, burn-out is a thing - I played almost non-stop afterwork for the first month and half, but after I reached the original max rank - I kinda started playing maybe a few times a week.
I log on once a month i see the spear still doesnt work i uninstall
The thing that soured me on HD2 is a few things.
Starting off with the awful community managers that keep spitting their customers in the face, Sony being asshats and AH seemingly mismanaged their launch with disabled PSN and no real communication that this will be required nor did they initially bar people from buying it.
Followed by the awful balancing attempts. A gun is fun to use and actually feels like it does something insta nerfed, a gun is used because people like it for 1 property (for example stunlock) insta nerf and this since launch.
They dont understand that people who use meta loadouts play mostly the hardest difficulty and there it is required to run the strongest stuff because every other weapon or strategem is just inferior. Its crazy to me that they dont understand this that difficulty 7 and above needs you to go with the strongest options otherwise your time will be hard because barely any weapon can kill fast or destroy those high risk targets like Hulkers or Tanks.
I honestly feel like they dont want their players to have any fun in said game and treat this like a highly competitive PvP game.
Lastly they constantly balance instead of fixing up their game...
100% agreed. But this game is still young. I've got full faith they'll turn it around.
How long that will take though? That's the question. If it takes too long, too many players may leave and never come back
@@itseasymode I have zero faith that they will turn it around as long as alexus is the one balancing the game.
@@Daethzonez Hey, fair. In the end, only time will tell.
@@itseasymode True, I really loved this game and want it to be better. In the meantime I am just playing DRG instead.
@@Daethzonez For rock and stone!
--As a new player I really am not finding the game as fun as was told to me by the community.-- Weapons feel anemic and bots feel RIDICULOUSLY op. Whoever is balancing the game is sincerely ruining the game. You're not imagining things.
You are late, I have 200 hours in and loved it... but then the insane nerfs and more nad more bugs made me quit.
It wasn't always like that... The sun will shine on us again! 🤞
I bought the game April 10th 2024. Today is May 17th and I have 316h…
But only really played EA games up until now on my PS5. I guess I should say thank you to EA for conditioning me that $60 CAD for a game wasn’t bad because it was half the price of some of their ultimate team packs throughout the year.
@@DemocracySpreader Lol facts, I used to play Ultimate Team back in the day.
Let's just say... my wallet is much happier now that I don't play it anymore 😅
So i got a 30€ Deal and played pretty much for 1 week straight. I am lvl 37 now and the game is insanely fun. To me it seems that the game is very subjective. I play mostly with friends and had a newbie in the stack most times, maybe thats why? Insert "first time" meme here. I bought the polar patriot warbound just to get the pummeler and it has been even more fun since then. To be fair i kinda run dry after an operation and need to do 2 games of overwatch and maybe a video of helldivers to quickly become motivated again and dont burn out.
17:38 to add to this:
They argued that the Eruptor was prone to doing teamkills and the newly added ricochet mechanic had the unintended side effect that the shrapnel can travel up to 50m back to the player and kill you. So instead of removing or reworking this busted mechanic that adds nothing to the game except for randomly punishing you for shooting the horde in a horde shooter, they just nerf the weapon that showcased why this mechanic is not well implemented.
This right here is the reason that made me stop playing.
I don't want to fight tooth and nail for a victory because some fuckhead thought "hey, that gun is working, we can't have that" and then gutted it AGAIN
Exactly they literally hide their mistakes and bad design Choices by adding more or nerfing things so the player is none the wiser. Literal scumbags
@@uncleulysses2328”literal scumbags” and it’s just devs making changes.
@@r.k845 lol they’ve been caught time and time again for their bullshit yet you morons still pat em on the back. It’s alright bro they’ve only “fine tuned” over 300k into not wanting to play anymore. you yes men are really good for the games future lolol
I liked it when they said in the discord that it was "not a nerf" and then proceed to absolutely butcher the living shit out of the eruptor
This is how i play Helldive difficultly: Don’t even drop ordinance. Speedrun to objectives. Skirt around large enemies.
Fucking boring. Where’s the no respawn difficulty? There’s no tension or team cohesion that we can use with the tools we’ve been given.
Until the dev team changes the balance philosophy I’ll be checked out of the game
Yep. It's so excruciatingly difficult to kill the overtuned hordes on Helldives that you're better off not fighting them.
Let me say that again. The enemies are so tedious, that you are better off _not engaging in actual gameplay._
"We're spreading democracy!"
"How?"
"By running around, and avoiding fights because it's easier!"
@@jooot_6850Yeah... Came to that conclusion. The meta is avoiding the gameplay to win. What now AH?
Also *Cough* *Cough* Ubisoft with siege *Cough* *Cough*.
Chargers are fucking stupid give us ways to deal wity armor
As of August 6th with the “Escalation of Freedom” update, we are right back to nerfing popular and fun weapons into the dirt.
Flamethrowers and Incendiary weapons were nerfed two days before the fire-themed Warbond was released.
Its the same patten from destiny. They dictate how you play by nerfing your favorite stuff instead of making all weapons viable.
Why I refuse to play D2. I stuck it out with D1 sense day one but after D1 I was done, I use that game as a reference when I think about balancing for online loot shooters like how helldivers is slightly. Not entirely but has the same vibe.
@@acelener2034imo it’s more like Left 4 Dead
When bungie nerfs shit because its strong in fucking gambit, holy fuck that makes me pissed.
Unreasonable balance decisions is the main reason for me to stop playing.
its why i stopped playing.
@@cypriotfox8354same... the devs dropped the ball
HD2,beyond-dull,boring,vapid.......
Got the game because the weapons looked REALLY fun but now they're like nerf guns
Same
this community needs to work together, half say “dude its fine i never had issues so skill issue” then the other half is this, actually addressing and wanting to solve problems. Just because we say something is underpowered doesnt mean we hate the game. this community is borderline toxic.
You mean like the community came together to help all the people who lost access to the game? Oh wait that didn't happen, you had people using those real victims to get what they wanted then left them in the dust.
Great community there.
Do you realize that every single gaming community has been accused of being toxic? EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.
At this point, it's just meaningless.
@@Damaged7 Helldivers community is delusional reddit level brainrot. Don't pay attention to them.
2 months later and this aged like fine wine. Arrowhead is killing the game. They got the bag and just wanna publish games now and move into other stuff and use HD2 as their cash cow like gta5 online for rockstar
Ahhh, Helldivers 2. The game where the core progression loop is to grind credits, samples and medals in order to unlock weapons, armors and grenades just in time for them to be nerfed into the fucking ground because it isn't fair to the pve enemies that can two shot you that your weapons are effective.
Whoever balances the game works for automatons. There is absolutely no reason to nerf many of the weapons. Things become meta now because everything else is simply useless. Primary weapons especially and they re not doing anything about it, they can nerf something right after release but cant fix it all this time? Im getting slowly pissed off and getting tired of using same setup now.
“Im too bad to use anything but the meta”
@@Danthepanman1 wtf you talking about? Never used the railgun or quasar or the shield backpack but wanted to try them before the nerf, autocannon wasnt meta now it became meta because all the good ones are nerfed i loved it since the start. You have no fkn clue just like the devs balancing, congrats you got attention.
@@cuppeli the rail gun nerf got 80% reverted(at the cost of being unable to stagger bile titans)
The auto cannon was always meta vs the bots
The quasar cannon has competition with the eats and the rr now(not on cold planets)
The shield gen backpack is still really good but now you actually have a reason to use the ballistic shield
This just shows how little you -play- know about the game because stuff like the laser cannon and the ballistic shield are actually viable now
@@Danthepanman1 clearly not my fault following up on those weapons anymore like most the playerbase slowly are not, the big problem is the primary weapons, i stated i never cared for meta those were examples, its not fun to use the primaries except very few sickle, incendiary breaker and dominator. Options are very little and makes it annoying and that is clear with all the responses so no its not a skill issue its getting extremely boring.
@@cuppeli literally skill issue XD
Ands it’s not that the options are limited it’s just people refuse to play around their weapons weaknesses
The knight smg and every assault rifle are great at clearing chaff but suck at killing devastators so bring the rail gun or auto cannon
The counter sniper and the big iron are great at killing devastators but suck at killing chaff so bring the laser cannon or stalwart
The sickle is good at everything but killing hulks so bring the laser cannon or rail gun
Every single one handed weapon suck at killing heavy devastators so become one with the ballistic shield
My favorite loadout is: heavy explosive resist, knight smg, big iron, stun grenades,rail gun, ballistic shield, and 2 other flex stratagems
And all but the stuns and railgun aren’t seen that often because people think they aren’t viable because of their weaknesses
TLDR: play around your primary and secondary’s weaknesses and you can have a really viable strategy
*im not trying to be pretentious or anything I’m trying to say most weapons can be viable if you play around their weaknesses*
Something I haven't seen anyone mention is that some of the post-match stats seem like pure fiction (friendly fire damage and accidentals come to mind) or you get the weird messages that you were offed by a teammate who was already down (so you know that one was wrong or at best misleading). If the metrics on their end are as bad as the info they let us see, then they are making a lot of important choices based on dodgy data.
I don't really get the preoccupation with "balance" in a PVE game. As long as the gear is all distinctive and fun to use, and doesn't destabilize the game, then you've succeeded. It isn't like anyone is stopping you from eventually trying out all the stuff, and going with what you like best, so why ruin people's fun because some strategies are more popular than others?
If anything they should always buff never nerf. If everyone is using on primary weapon make all the rest better so they’re viable. How do nerds fuck this kind of stuff up is beyond me. Book smart with no common sense I feel like.
It's a slippery slope. Meta gamers have already been reported as kicking players for not taking certain weapons on higher difficulties. Why wouldn't that increase with a lack of weapon balance? That's unfortunately how society works, we play to the 1% that are such fuckwits they ruin it for the rest of us. Yeah, maybe not all meta gamers are doing that, but enough of them are to a point that it's causing a problem.
The more i think the more i believe the slugger before the nerf was the perfect gun, i miss it to this day 😢
Loved that thing. I was even using it during the Breaker's prime days. Such a good weapon.
The slugger and crossbow nerf still hurt me.
@@joegrizzly7686 i wasn't a big fan of the crossbow but i liked it bc it was unique but to nerf a barely used gun is crazy
@@biggreen8025 That shows how much they understood about their own game, the xbow was niche at best, i tried it once and i hated it because it didn't dealt enough damage, the aim and the drop off damage(drop off on an explosive bolt ?) was too much for me, then they nerfed i was like wtf ? who the hell use this crap ? like i'm at a solid 200 hours and i think i can count in one hand people using it(including me the first time).
the slugger nerf caused me to quit, 131 hours in with 3 warbonds complete
every other gun just sucked and i felt myself like quitting the game then the PSN thing came along and i just didnt feel like playing the game whatsoever
they shouldnt nerf weapons, they should make all of them fun and powerful for the sake of having fun
I've slowly realized the game is not only not as fun as it used to be, it's becoming irritating in many ways. Some bugs have never been fixed, such as : finding yourself under the map, getting shot at from behing a rock (you can see the laser pass through it), random crashes, some objectives not working, game takes forever to shut down, network issues, sudden major drops in fps, etc. just to name a few. And those are issues that have been present since the release. When you add on top of that the repetitiveness of playing the same maps over and over again, never really discovering new enemies or parts of the solar system, the overall nerfs of the weapons and the buffs of the enemies, it starts to feel like a grinding experience more than just having fun with your team. By order of comparison, I used to complain about the stability of EA servers but lately HD2 has been far worse in that regard.
Yep. When the host leaves that's it. Pelican 1 antics have got old. Vanishing stratregems are infuriating. All the nerfs are BS. The maps are getting very repetitive.
It’s like the whole company is a slave to alexus, how does he have this much power over balancing that the ceo doesn’t even know what’s going on. He single handedly ruined how the game feels, haven’t played since eruptor nerf
My issue was more the fact it broke at some point for my pc and I'm constantly crashing and I've tried all the fixes, but it hasn't worked. If they added a rejoin squad button, then I'd be on a ton more
Yup, I crash or find a game breaking bug way too much in this game.
The base game needs to work in order for anything else they do to feel impactful.
😂😂😂 your pc is shit
The game throwing away an entire 30 min game through no fault of your own is just plain disrespectful of your time.
*sigh* yeah... mutating Unreal Engine 3 into this surely came with inherent issues that would rear their ugly heads.
Sony Ctrl + Alt + Deleting 40% of our player base was fucking bullshit.
The simple fact is, nothing much has changed or advanced in any meaningful way in the game. Just an endless stalemate engineered by Joel.
As a result, the community, who have been eagerly waiting for the other shoe to drop, another r faction, a major story development, something, anything, have been left hanging with absolutely nothing to talk about but the wild balance changes being implemented at random by the devs, because that's all they've offered the community as they've chased the PvP balancing dragon in their PvE game.
It's a living game..there will obviously be spikes and lulls in content..unless they set it up where the whole campaign is won or lost every few months and resets..there's literally no way to keep advancing the story everyday. I also keep up on leaks so I know the exciting things coming before ..so the game even in the grind doesn't get boring for me
Dude...it has been FOUR MONTHS. Of course the third faction hasn't dropped yet. Yes, the balancing needs to be reworked, but otherwise the game is fine.
@@95DarkFire Exactly. It's been FOUR MONTHS of nothing but erratic and drastic balance changes that did nothing but degrade the experience of their game. Seemingly quite purposefully.
The problem isn't simply that the game needs to be balanced. The problem is that they've trying endlessly to fix what ain't broken, rather than focus on the things which are.
So go on then. Tell us all what other exciting developments in the game we should all be talking about, which would be more interesting than this.
Because if those things existed, this conversation would not.
The game is not fine. It's broken and janky, while they chase the PvP balancing dragon in their PvE game, to the detriment of everyone involved. It wastes their time, the players' time and everybody loses.
@@nunyabidness6961You are spitting FACTS my brother! Dont bother with these wannabe contarians. They are just trying to bait a reply out of you because no one else in their lives wants to talk to them 😂
Paying for warbonds and grinding is a waste of time when they nerf the few good weapons. I decided to pass on the newest snow warbond.
We’re talking like this game is years old lol it’s only been out like 3 months and it’s the most amount of content I’ve seen a developer put out in that time. I remember when games like call of duty would only get 4 major updates in a year (the map packs) with nothing in between. Now we get content EVERY week and people still aren’t happy. I don’t play the game that much but it’s because there are other great games that released.
Last time I played Helldivers was three weeks ago. The bugs were annoying enough already, but the fact that the devs were putting more effort nerfing weapons instead of prioritizing the bugs (game bugs, not terminids) really put me off from playing to this day. Edit, clarification on "bugs"
The people that do the balancing and the people that do the bugfixes are not the same. Do you ask a painter why he doesnt fix your fence?
Booooooooo@@davidspiekenheier3695
HD2,beyond-dull,boring,vapid.......
Same
@@davidspiekenheier3695 thats not really a good analogy. developers are knowledgeable in multiple languages. It's more like a painting crew tasked to paint a property. The house needs more people to paint the interior but the majority of the crew are fixated on painting the fence.
They just need to loosen their grip on weapon balance. That's it. Let the powerful shit be powerful as long as it's fun.
Agreed. I think a lot of people will return if balancing gets better.
Or people could stop crying over a 1% change in a weapons performance.
@@Damaged7 Nerfing guns in a PvE game all about large-scale fights and many explosions with overpowered weapons is like when you stop selling coffee in a café and then get shocked people stop coming to your business.
@@Damaged7 you just can’t accept this game is getting hate and criticism over objectively bad decisions. Keep licking AH’s boots in every reply maybe they will throw you a bone one day.
@@blknmongl342lmao it’s about you people wanting a powe fantasy it’s a damn game play the damn game!!
200 hours in and the insane nerfs and bugs made me uninstall. This game is a sinking ship, player count goes down each day by thousands...
the player count is still increasing actually lol
@@NealioFTS sure it is LOL. Look at the chart, new low today too XD
the only thing you comment on this guy's channel is about how "the game is dying" I think you need to get a life bru
@@russian_knight OOH you do care, I am living rent-free in your head.... be happy bud , it would be empty otherwise . bru
@@NealioFTS It's not lmao
30K players lost in a week is a terrible player drop-off
I joined helldivers around the time of malevon creek just a week before the suck patch that created the unending spawn behaviour.
The game felt perfect back then, before that patch and it never got back to that feel again.
2 months later, and the only weapon fixed is the spear (depending on the weather). Warbonds that we were told would slow down, keep coming out monthly. And this once great game is still bleeding players daily. But, they are listening (and laughing?).
400hrs in the game, it gone stale. illuminate is not coming out because of sony debacle. 90% of the warbond content are useless. shooting the same thing with the same strat and build over and over again is not that fun after 400 hours... I think they need to go like darktide, give us perks that we can make unique build. trying new build is what keep these game alive. but before making perks, they really need to remember this game is pve, not pvp. they nerf the guns and armor like it's a pvp games... we cannot have fun with that...
I'd love to see that. Once they make the current content good enough to use, it'd be awesome to get more in-depth ways to expand our builds!
Gotta say 'anything' after almost 17 in game days can become routine and stale, variety is life.
The game has been out for four months and you have 400 hrs clocked in. No shit it's stale lol. Play other games or take a break
Holy fuck bro 400 hours? I play the game a lot but I only just reached 100 hour. Maybe play something else?
Dude, you play the game too much. The game hasn't even been out that long. They have added a bunch of stuff since launch. Yeah, the latest warning wasn't great, but I really don't have the same issues as you because I play other games.
I have played 400+ hrs. I bought five HD2 copies. I had no problems buying in-game currency. What made me leave were the gun nerfs. But I love the HD2 community!
Same
No, what made you leave was your inability to accept balancing in a live service game. You know what you could have done? You could have used any of the other 20 options available to you.... you know, options, in this game where you're given many toys to play with in a toybox.
Inability, pffft. I don’t want to continue to dumb down to make things “work.” I’ll let you get used and abused in mediocrity.
@@Damaged7why bother when the toys are broken on arrival? They "fixed" the spear lock on at least twice already but i still dont see my rocket leaving the launcher i'll just go play games where i am having fun
Or you could play a game where they don't make most weapons unusable everytime it becomes meta@@Damaged7
The biggest problem without a doubt is the fact that they prefered nerfing guns (which weren't OP in the first place and actually added variety of gameplay) instead of focusing their effort on bugs (no pun intended) and crashes.
Waiting for months to see fire work as intended or the Spear being unusable since launch is far more important than nerfing the Eruptor.
Priority, AH, priority...
Tbh after playing 200hrs and trying to help new players get into higher difficulty levels I was tired of the "git gud" attitude by the developers and some of the more toxic players. Not to mention the bugs
istg the bugs and hitboxes are the thing that made me stop playing💀 Never got fixed.
I came back to hell divers recently and I was surprised that were still on the same 2 enemy types, we havent conquered or experienced any new enemies trying to invade.
I feel like palworld would've kept going until probably March/April if HD2 didn't crash the party
if palworld had player gyms like in go then it'd have 100m downloads, one or four gyms per section of the islands with base bonuses depending on each separate gym.
The hype for palworld was dead by mid-late febuary
i don't play by a lot of time, i finally reached the eruptor, i was so happy, it got nerfed after 2 days looool
I hated them so much ahahah i litterally stopped playing in that moment.
My friends actually haven't played since that happened. Nerfing the eruptor when a lot of people have actually finally scrounged up enough super credits and medals to buy it was the biggest slap in the face, honestly.
Yeah... I could see the ammo reduction, since it still doesn't have ammo problems after that nerf, but they shouldn't have touched anything else. The entire point of the weapon was to allow players to play with an inverse of the normal requirements. Typically, you can't justify bringing a machine gun because you need something that's anti armor, but the eruptor could somewhat fill that role as a primary weapon, and I had a lot of fun treating the eruptor like a bolt action version of the autocannon while swapping the support weapon out for a machine gun. Nerfing it just returned things to the way they were before with less variety of viable builds.
HD2,beyond-dull,boring,vapid.......
Yea the devs are so insanely disconnected from the player base which is sooo vocal it’s so frustrating
The erupter is still good though?
A well balanced take on the state of the game. Such a shame that all this has happened to a game with so much potential.
We'll be back, I believe in the devs
I uninstalled immediately when they nerfed the rail gun. I knew what path this game was going.
Nerfing for the AI... 😂
Lol he had foresight
..they only nerfed the safe mode, lmfao
@@cosmicdragon9237 some of these scrubs just wanna roll thru everything mindlessly lol, when that is clearly not how lvl 8+ dives are meant to be
I do agree lots of the nerfs suck tho, but the biggest thing that caused the decline is the lack of content. Still no new faction, and the vast majority of the planets are not playable
I stopped playing Helldivers 2 3 months ago. It started out so fun then the nerfing began. None of the new weapons hit and were actually really terrible. Some of the Strategems don't hit like they're shown to do. It's like the only ones that get good nowadays are the enemies and that the players can deal with their peashooters. It feels like a cash grab at this point and this killed any enjoyment I had for the game. So much so that I removed it from my console.
With 200+ hours into Helldivers 2, I don't actually have any issue with 'Content Drought'. I think the game stands very well on it's own two feet. The real reason I'm not logging in is just because the weapon nerfs make playing anything a slog.
Eruptor, my beloved, does not do enough damage or even half as much explosive as it did when it first came out. The new Plas-101 takes too long to charge and doesn't even one-shot a scout strider (so what the hell am I charging it for if I'd get more damage with the other plasma weapons?) Most medium penetration weapons can't even kill the striders legs without running down half my mag.
That's all against a SCOUT STRIDER. Meanwhile the Heavy Devastator can kill me from 100 meters away while firing backwards and I'm behind a rock.
My guns need to feel impactful for Helldivers to be fun and they just... aren't, not to mention half of the weapons aren't even viable for 7+ because so many of them are Light Armor Penetration when most enemies have Medium.
Just revert all of the gun nerfs, rebalance magazines so that the ammo pick-ups on the overworld will refill half of your magazines, and make Super Samples drop on Difficulty 6 so us more Casual players can run on lower difficulties and leave Helldives to the True Helldivers.
That's it. They turned it into a slog.
We wanted a fun game about blowing up evil robots and fascist bugs with our friends. Instead we got a realistic rendition of cock and ball torture in video game format. It's not hard. It's just not FUN.
Worst sin they commit is having such a big galactic map with different worlds but we have been fighting on the same planets for over 3 months now, the only hope for this game now is the illuminate coming back and even then that’s just going to be a adrenaline shot for its lifespan they sure as hell better use that boost to try and fix things
Sad the community turned into an elitist cesspool, with the phase "skill issue" being its go to tagline.
I despise the "just play lower difficulties" line as much as "skill issue."
There's a fine line between hard and not fun, and they've crossed it.
Yup. The players that are left are emo pricks that kill you for no reason or kick you.
@@itseasymodewhy are you making it seem like yall are unable to get better. Kinda is a skill issue
@@deedeekreep9139 What in this video or comments makes you think we can't get better or that it's a skill issue? I play 9s just fine. Don't ever fail. Doesn't mean the game is as fun as it was last month, or even the month before.
@@itseasymode it is though
Hot take. The game feels stale not because the game itself is that stale but because the community overdosed on the game in the first few months of its release and became numb to the content. I enjoy the game even to this day despite not playing it very often. I don't read patch notes. I don't interact with the discord or subreddit. I simply log on, pick my favorite gear and play the game with friends. We cycle through many different games. Overdosing on your favorite things is a surefire way to ruin them for yourself. It's important to pace yourself, especially with your favorite things.
The nature of it being PVE also means that it's going to be easier to "See everything" than if it's a PVP game. It's honestly a fantastic PVE game and I LOVE that it's not PVP. PVP games oversaturate the market when it comes to co-op experiences.
All and all I think the community binging the game as much as they do and trying to force a "Meta" and cracking the game to the extent that they have fully "figured it out." is an issue that plagues games and kills community enjoyment. It's not a simple thing to fix because it's the nature of gamers.
Another thing to mention is that just like Palworld, Helldivers 2 getting a smaller more tight knit community is the best thing for it. Having a too loud and non genuine fanbase whose only it in for "The memes" is not sustainable and personally turns me off from games. I almost didn't play Helldivers 2 because the "Democracy" meme were so loud and annoying. A friend gifted me the game however because he genuinely loved it to the extent that he bought it for our entire friend group. He bought 5 copies so we could play. If not for my friend's genuine love for the game and the fact he still plays to this day, I don't think I would of ever given Helldivers 2 a chance because the memes were THAT annoyingly loud and prevalent.
I got a bit off topic but I do love Helldivers 2 and I think what they need is a new faction with new missions, new maps, etc to spice things up. Meaningful content. Fantastic video btw. Keep diving helldiver!
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Unpopular opinion here. The random players for quick match have always been toxic. So many games of playing through a mission only to be kicked at the end so a randos friend could join actively preventing me from getting rewards and wasting 20-30 mins. It really killed my want to play the game without a group of friends period.
They destroyed their own game. Froze again last night even though there are half the players are not even diving anymore. Good job arrowhead.
Shouldn’t have gotten in bed with Sony.
It's never crashed or froze for me.
@@TheSakufighter interestingly looking up Arrowheads releases on Steam it seems as though they've exclusively produced games on contracts with other publishers and don't quite own any of the games they've created.
Magicka?
Published by Paradox with a sequel made by other people.
Helldivers?
Sony
Gauntlet slayer edition?
WB games
It seems as though Arrowhead doesn't have a single original IP to its name, which to be honest is quite the red flag in the current state of indie games.
@@thesolitaryowl I'm sure it's more of an PC player issue, since I've never had that problem either. Though I play on the PS5
Yeah the playerbase had NOTHING to do with it right? So blameless right?
I started playing a bit after the whole 'malevelon creek' thing. It really feels like they don't WANT you to win. I stopped playing because nothing was good, none of the weapons or stratagems where ever powerful, the second we get even a slight advantage they nerf it into the ground. I get the game is supposed to be hard, but getting chased around by ten unkillable chargers for the whole game, just isn't doing it for me.
Can only hope that their planned buffs are actually good enough.
Same here, I wish I was there for that battle. But yeah, I’m not a fan of how they do the ‘story’ as a proper narrative would better give context on what the tone is for each major order we do.
A big part as well is so many of us have unlocked everything and nothing to earn. We are maxxed out on all resources.
At the start the game we all wanted to level up to earn more medals and slips for guns and strats. We would risk it all to get samples and got a good dopamine hit when we managed to extract with a massive bounty of samples.
Apparently, it was all a single dude that needed to be moved away from his desk...
the CEO stepped down straight into his desk, and is now doing massive amounts of damage control on it.
shit is gonna take awhile, but it will get done.
(to be more technical: the man in charge of "Quality Assurance" on the Balancing was not a avid player of the game itself,
so he was entirely out-of-touch about most changes... relying heavily on reacting to player feedback instead of asking for it.)
The weapons nerfing, enemy buffing, network crashing made me go back and play the original Helldivers
How ya like it? Still good?
@@itseasymode Yes.
I think what is so repetitive about the game is that most planets are the same, they should make every planet separate with its own geography and planets, not the same trees on every others planet
Yup. Look at Deep Rock Galactic. It's one planet, but it has many different biomes with a different feel and effect on gameplay.
@@blknmongl342 I thought it was like some huge super colony, sorta like helldivers, although it’s obvious that the mites on the walls, parasites, plants, and loot bugs are different species
EDIT whoops, wrong comment, i was commenting on a different DRG video 😅 but yes drg is flushed out more
@@Gloop-de-Gale Yeah, too many sci fis have planets that have one biomes on all corners of the space giants. They need more diversity in terrain.
@@blknmongl342 I wish it was more like drg or monster hunter world, for there environmental depth and replay ability, if I’m burnt out and there is no game that fells good to play at the moment, monster hunter world has never let me down
@@Gloop-de-Gale Indeed. I feel like DRG is the PvE that Helldivers should have been.
Legit the best strategy, I kid you not, on every map and difficulty is to use 4 sentries and let the game play for you
At least they do damage unlike primaries
Arrowhead has absolutely no idea what they are doing and this was painfully obvious from their first "balance" update. There was simply no other way this could have played out with a developer team that's so incompetent.
It's really annoying that new content, wether or not it is paid, was clearly not play tested with the examples of the mech and the crossbow changes. Mech just didn't work good and after their "fix" the rockets just suck to use now. The crossbow's identity was completely changed after we got used to it for a couple weeks so they clearly never actually understood what they wanted from the crossbow and didn't test it enough to then take away a favorite nich weapon.
So, if the team was “out of the loop”, then that means Alexus never relayed the issues about balance properly about balance to said team and has gone rogue in making all the decisions he thinks is best. Basically he’s making a game that he thinks is fun when it should be the other way around.
Stop wasting your time obsessing over stupid shit outside the game like this. What does it do for you? Name one instance where following shit like this improved the game for you? Never. Its never happened.
I don't get these number nerd designers. Why balance anything? Just don't do it! It's a PvE. Make it unique/OP in it's own nature and leave it.
Making something unique/OP would also be balancing.
@@davidspiekenheier3695Your sooo contrarian! Can I get your number?!?!
Because balancing is pseudo content to them, and nerfing causes players to buy micro transactions to speed up progress
@@xreed8 You can't really speed up progression with money in this.
Because everything being op is not fun either
Trying to nerf things in a PVE game cause it's too overpowered for AI is stupid. It's just like Siege trying to nerf all the shooting in their shooting game
Why not instead of nerfing the op stuff because everyone uses it, why not make everything else as good as the thing they’re trying to nerf so people have other options….
Warbonds shouldn't be monthly honestly it's an insane rate of new armor, weapon, boosters and nades.
In no way can you keep making it interesting and impactful with that rate. A 3-4 or 6 month schedule would probably be more reasonable.
Of course you can't but what other option do they have when they have to deal with gamers? You know, the elitist entitled bunch that won't ever shut the hell up and just play the game. Gotta appease them or they'll start running campaigns to kill your game.
The disconnects are not phew and far between, they’re getting worse. I have’nt been able to play the game for the last two days because of it.
They need to dial every weapon up to overpowered, in my opinion. Is there still having difficulties killing players, then add more difficulty settings. It doesn't seem that hard. But everyone, should be able to get super samples on a regular basis. Since they're necessary for moving forward and your upgrades.
Lol 7 is easy enough.
@@jiopa Lol solo play on 9 then.
@@taxman3749 why would i do that? The game is balanced for teamplay. If you balance it for solo, then you make playing with 4 players trivial. If you wanna play solo, more power to you. But you chose that in a team game. You handicapped yourself.
@@jiopa you misunderstand. I'm mocking you.
@@taxman3749 good for you. Lol
I think the one glitch that annoyed me the most was the terrain having thousands of little holes in it like it didn't load in properly
Since asking for buffs and not giving any ideas is more complaining that actually fixing the problem, let's get into some of my ideas for the big balance patch.
The purpose of this is to give some underused/underated weapons some time in the sun.
For starters, lets cover some of the most mid weapons that really need a buff. I will not be touching magsize or mags carried (with one execption later down the line). but anything else is up to be changed.
Note for AP.
Direct Hit: less than 25 degrees.
Slight Angle: Less than 60 degrees.
Large Angle: Less than 80 degrees.
Sharp Angle: 80 degrees or larger.
The CB-9 Exploding crossbow.
Goal: Increase it's capablity at horde clea
Fire rate increased to 150 bolts per second. Thus the DPS is nearly tripled, to 1050. Do note that this also increase the ammo expendature.
Reload speed is increased.
This was after using the weapon I felt that I could never shoot bolts fast enough.
The Plas Purifier.
Goal: Make the weapon better and more unique.
The AOE damage is increased by 100, it now should be able to one shot a scout strider to the front armor. Like it does in the trailer.
You can fire with a parital or no charge by quickly tapping the key, charging increases the area damage from 75 to 250.
The Eruptor.
Goal: Bring back the power of this weapon.
Explosive Damage falloff reduced. Returning the shrapnel in a fashion that doesn't instantly kill the operator from 50m would require a lot of finicky codework that I don't want to put the devs through. This will help bring back a bit of it's old glory.
Armor penetration on direct hits are now 4, the same as the AMR. This allows usage against scout striders' front sheild and notably, Hulk's visors. But you gotta hit e'm Dead on, which would take some good positioning, good aim, and nerves of steel. This give a bit of the high skill ceiling back to players.
R-63 Diliegence.
Goal: We should have a sniper more suited for bugs, shouldn't we?
Fire rate increased to 450, same as the verdict.
Durable damage increased to 25.
Ajduicator
Goal: Make it more usable, in a general sense, but maintain it's identity as a battle rifle.
Reload speed increased.
Damage dropoff decreased.
Liberator Concusive.
Goal: Update.
The Liberator concussive now uses the Pummeler's stun effect, which should dratically increase it's viability.
Basically the liberator just has jacked stagger values, while the Pummeler has a dedicated effect for stunning enemies.
Tenderizer.
Goal: give it identiy and more of a role.
Durable damage increased to 45.
The Beam Laser weapons.
Goal: Increase their versitily and abilty to be used.
These weapons can now light enemies on fire if the beam is focused for a period of time. Regardless of armor level.
P-113 Verdict.
Goal: More Handcannon, it is supposed to be a Super Deagle.
Medium AP on Driect and Slight angle hits.
Damage increased damage to 150, oh yeah, you can one-tap devestators now.
Magsize reduced to 7, because Deagle.
Mags carried and resupplied increased to 10. (You lose out on about 10 rounds total, big whoop).
Recoil increased to 40, (Same as the Adjuicator, so don't go hog wild on that trigger finger).
There is a bit of nerfing and buffing, but since I am basically giving you a pocket dillegence CS, I think there needs to be some form of balance.
I remember when i said there weren't enough servers and they had to turn some new ones on. Some derp youngin thinks they knew so much about the industry and couldn't just turn more on. I'm like; lulz they shift servers over, load the stuff up needed and patch them in. They could get this done in less than three days. They doubted me, in less than two days more servers were up.
You write your comments like we're still in 2012 and it's awesome
@@jooot_6850 does feel like the world had a little more sense in 2012. XD
@@Bangcat yeah the world really did end in 2012
They really need to leave fun things fun, and aim towards making the overall gameplay feel FUN and enjoyable. It does not need to be perfectly pvp-blanced since it's a PvE game. Allow us as players to have fun and feel powerful when we spread democracy and freedom against the threats of humanity.
For example the Eruptor, it was amazingly fun to use with the explosion radius. They they added "ricochets now hit YOU" which lead to explosion hitting yourself and your team. Then they removed 50% ammo. Then they removed the explosion. Now the Eruptor is in a sad sad sad state. No longer the Eruptor, but the "slugger" in sniper form.
i constantly get kicked from games with a message that says i disconnected. Then once back in my ship it won't let me join a game. I have to exit the game, verify file integrity. two files fail to verify. then once complete the game works again. It happens every day now.
Yep same here I give up it so frustrating spending all that time in game you finally extract and get either kicked or disconnected no xp gains or progression you lose it all
I will NEVER understand why nerfing things in a PvE game is a thing
in a nuthshell
"YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE HELLDIVERS 2 YOU WERE MEANT TO DESTROY CRAPPY GAMES NOT JOIN THEM"
My biggest issue with the game is playing long missions and getting no rewards at the end - either because someone is trolling and boots people right before extraction, or because the game glitches. I am a casual player and usually dont have time for a long play session, so to have my entire free time for the day ruined by trolling or glitches really sucks.
The nerfs are also annoying. I dont have time to follow every change to the game or to unlock and test every piece of gear - once I find a loadout I like, it would be nice if that loadout remained usable and didnt suddenly get turned to crap by nerfs.
I was so into this game when it released, but the bugs, trolling, nerfs etc make it a frustrating game these days. It's been out long enough I feel like it shouldnt be so buggy anymore.
The balancing kills it for me too much
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You know what this reminds me of, and a great analogy for what's been happening to Helldivers 2, is that episode of Fairly Oddparents(wait come back, stay with me here here!), where Timmy wished for everyday to be Christmas. First couple of days were fantastic, great, fun, enjoyable, but the everyday afterwards was getting worse and worse; wasn't as many gifts, and the gifts he got were utter trash. This is pretty much what's happening, from what I've seen with Helldivers 2; Arrowhead can't keep up with the supply of demand from the players.
First couple of months of the game was great, everything was new, stealth dropping new enemies or mission types, so players had some more wow factor, as well as fun conversations amongst each other. Now queue in the nerfs of weapons, and buffs of enemies, and the lack of newer unique weapons to stand out on their own, as well as some other things; and we've got the major issue that's been plaguing a lot of players. This game is supposed to be a challenging power fantasy, where we're playing "righteous" Liberators of the galaxy from the powerful Super Earth; we shouldn't be getting nerfed at all, if anything the enemies should be getting tougher, while we stay the same, or become stronger along with them. If they saw one "meta" was being overly used, you DON'T nerf it to the ground(in my opinion at least), you buff other weapons/strategems to that level so players have more options to toss around, then going to the tried and true. A PvE orientated game shouldn't be getting such massive nerfs, before getting bugs and glitches fixed first.
I've complained so much on how Arrowhead should rework some strategems, mainly the support ones, sense we have so many of them, as well as some of the other guns, maybe even introduce a new status like Chilled, so then we'd have Arc, Burning, and Chilled to take on enemies. We all know, from the leaks, they plan on adding in more stategems and the Illuminate, but at that point, it'll be little too late, probably. I really wish they didn't add in armor stats or perks, because they're pretty worthless, as well as unimpactful for the most part(outside of having more grenades or stims), especially if they didn't put any on the helmets. If they were going to have perks like that, they should've made it where you just chose which one to equip onto you, kind of like the Boosters.
There's been many issues with the game since launch, and after first they bothered me, but I had to start looking over them to fully enjoy the game, and in hopes they would eventually fix them or rework them in some fashion. Some of them have been fixed, but many others have gotten worse, or just overall untouched. I'm hoping Arrowhead figures it out, because I'd hate to see them not a year, when they've done so much in this gaming market.
The game could really do with some different side content or something, to break the loop, something to use your Req on, since I'm sure a lot of players are already maxed out on upgrades at this point, so thus being maxed out on Req. Hell, it'd be cool if they added Rush type operation missions, where you need to power through an enemy stronghold to get to the objective, pick it up, and run back to the extract. As much as I love the immersion of the galaxy being a live and missions coming and going based on what's require of us; I really feel like we could do with something that sticks for the long haul, especially when it's so damn enjoyable. It definitely needs more content, for the amount that players eat up, to keep us preoccupied till newer major orders come out; hell, I'd be down with going to Super Earth and having some weird Civilian life Sim, I don't know, distractions can be good from the chaos of war.
I'd also be down with having more customization options, because there's no reason that they couldn't have just made where we could unlock different colors for capes and armors, when they already have the same armor with a different color palette. I'd be all for grinding Req to buy different colors/skins for specific armors, instead of a long list of armors that are practically the same, but different only by their decal or color.
TLDR
The Alexus guy single handedly destroyed the game with his stupid idea of balancing. Wonder why he hasn't been fired yet
I think they should focus on bug fixes first, balance second, and new content third.
They've already talked about adding more people so it should get better soon. I suggest patience.
Regarding the smaller glitches and bugs - they are very damaging in a game like this, and it's plain to see on higher difficulties. Once I was running away from berserkers, doing some run of the mill dives. Then, when I happened to dive on a small rock, the game decided it's time to ragdoll me, which resulted in me being mauled to death by said berserkers. Stratagems, like the all important hellbombs, turn blue and bounce around like it's pinball, forcing the team to call in another one because it's too far from the target. On Helldive, a few seconds wasted by a glitch can sometimes throw games. This is precisely what makes the community upset. It just doesn't feel good to have your plays dumped on by bugs and glitches.