We bought the cheapest Ferraris in the UK! Ferrari 456 - 308 GTS
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2020
- Two Ferraris, bought unseen, which cost less to buy than a highly specced family SUV. My friend Fergus also bought his Ferrari in lockdown, and his 456 was a similar price to my 308 and it's a four seater. Should I have thought harder before buying the InfluEnzo? I could have had a real Ferrari V12!!
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The 308, I would say, is more true to what's expected in terms of classic Ferrari style and looks. Epitome of the late 70s and 80s.
The 456, I always loved it, very elegant, uncospicuous and understated. Formidable sober style, represents in my humble opinion the best Berlinetta (4 seater-ish) model Ferrari ever made.
Would be diffcult to choose between the two.
Well put.. thanks for watching Domenico
@@Number27 I love your channel! Thanks for your videos!
a V12 is a V12
You bought the right one my friend. 308/328 FTW
The 360 wheels really suit the 456 well.
Your back to back videos are great, really gives an excellent comparison when your looking to buy
Another cracking video. Have started watching your channel from day one. Really good !
I do love the 456 especially in silver but that scene of your 308 coming down hill on that twisty road it looked absolutely beautiful. You have the roof down experience and the classic Ferrari looks I think you’ve nailed the Ferrari experience
I loved this back to back test Jack...To answer your question, yours all day long but my god that V12 in the 456 is awesome
Two very different beauties and a back to back review is a great reminder of how one marque can produce two fabulous outcomes
456 for the engine.. 308 for the looks, imo
I like the 456 a lot. One of my favourites too as it looks like a modern Daytona. The modificato looks even better!
The 308 is more obviously (or more popular?) a Ferrari in design though and over the two, I would choose the 308.
I have also been put off by the potentially enormous bills following a service on a 456. :-)
That was really good! Your posts getting better and better 👍 my first fer was a 612, really fantastic car, still one of my faves
Thanks Jim!
“Stupid statement of the month” 🤣 Maybe, but you’ve driven both. Most of us have driven neither. One of the best videos yet with drive-bys and cuts 👍🏻 I’m really enjoying your channel Jack!
(Oh and I’d take the red one 😉)
I’ve been an admirer of the 456 from word go. Nice that you had a chance of a manual box version 👍
Great review and nice video... but hardly any view of the cars from the outside... could you please do some shots of the cars driving past? that 308 is such an eye candy!
Very good episode indeed. That v12 is so tempting but you made the right choice. The 308 is more connected and you can work on it with pb blaster and a hacksaw. You're part of it's history do whatever you like to it
Love your work as always and you for saying ‘equally’ and not ‘equally as’
Why do you always look at the gearstick before changing!!!!! Makes me smile ! Great videos
Thanks buddy!
Why did you have to point this out. I didn't see it to start with, now I can't see anything else.
456 was and still is a great design such as your 308, but that V12 sounds great. Enjoyed very much this review.
Thanks for watching!
thanks for the comparison 👍. your 308 is a iconic look. tuff to beat .plus tire technology has in proved and suspension .you could always upgrade them from stock now make 308 even feel better.!
Both great cars ! 456 V12 is amazing .. great torque, revs like a motorbike !! Love it! ..
And 308 is an Icon .. If you want to improve sound try Tubi Style ..
great video
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The V12 soundtrack is boss but the Influezo has the classic styling. It's a no-brainer for me. I would have to go for the 308...... just need a lottery win first lol. Nice vid 👍👍
Thanks Graham!
The 456 has always been my favorite Ferrari. So elegant, understated and refined.
Great review. I like those early 90s 456, 550, F355s. You could still get a manual car and they are as quick as you'd want on the road really. Great buy too.
Thanks! Am going to try a 550 soon!
Youve bought the right car. No debate. End of
I have driven your model / mark car in the past and I loved it ! Never driven a 456, but I think you have the right car..........its what I would buy ;)
I was sitting in the barbershop last Sunday and a 308 drive passed. I almost ruined my haircut to look at it. Absolutely stunning in the flesh. Such presence!
Nice to hear! Thanks for watching!
What another horrible day in the office, you definitely got the right car, 308 wins every time, I do however have a soft spot for the V12 GT 456.
Still love the interior of the 456, proper GT cabin. Always remember Michael Hutchence having one in a photo shoot in Loaded back in the 90s and thinking it was cool.
Agree.. don’t make them like that anymore!
It's very easy to forget how a fully mechanical car feels. You are so much more connected to the road. You have got the right car.
Why pay for a TV licence when you tube is far superior
Damm why do you British even have that?
I think 456 is underrated. Looks are understated and doesnt have too much modern tech which wouldnt be modern anymore or would go wrong.
I'm sure someone in the past several weeks or months someone commented or has suggested a Capristo exhaust system. Not sure if they make it for the 308. I believe that's the sound you're searching for. The other aftermarket exhaust you tried didn't "sing" like you wanted. It may be worth the money for the Capristo sound !!
I've always liked the 456. But I love the 308 as well.
The 456 is the only Ferrari iv'e ever experienced in my life at Knockhill in Scotland....Silver one too...never forget my basic Ferrari experience.
That’s a very good analogy - that Peugeot was clearly “inspired by” this Ferrari 456. But the Ferrari 456 is a nice looking understated car all the same. The sound is very good too. I can see that under acceleration it pushes you back into the seat with all those G Forces. But dont get rid of your 308. It is a heck of a lovely car. I m hunting for a 1:43 and 1:64 scale model in Red - unable to find one!
Try to use both hands over each end vs one in the middle when closing the trunk. Less chance to end up with a bent in the middle of your lid..so was I I told when I got my 308 and religiously adhered to the recommendation..
Lovely looking 456. Never been brave enough to go 12 cylinder myself.....
Love the 456 cornflower blue was always my favourite four seater that ferrari ever made
The 456 looks like it was designed by Datsun. The Influenzo was a fine choice.
Good to hear your take on this topic.
FWIW, I too think that you bought the right one.
Your friend’s 456 may have been more expensive initially and there’s no denying the allure of a Ferrari V12 but you may find that you have the more valuable investment in time.
Stuff the investment, the car's the thing.
Can you add the fast steering rack from superformance? Would love to know your thoughts.
To 50 something me the 456 is the more alluring car, it is the most understated car to me Ferrari have made, its got a proper engine...........................and after all, ''The horsa pulla the cart, not pusha the cart'' as a automotive genius was supposed to have said ;) > Sorry Jack, you brought the wrong car Mate.
No offence taken! I still prefer the Influenzo!
@@Number27 The 308 is a car you will grow out off, the 456 is a car you will grow into...................;)
Is that Harry Metcalfe’s favourite piece of road?
Certainly looks like it.
Your 308 is the one to have. It has style and character whereas the newer one doesn't look anything special. I will admit it sounds good though! Interesting comparison, good video!
What exhaust that 456 has? Sounds quite different from mine 456 GT.
Any Ferrari with 3 pedals these days is a gem... with Red, V12, 4 seater is a dream car, n that's 456 Rosso
I had an mr2 sw20 for lots of years. It was based on the 308 the 348 and the 355.
It looked kinda like a ferrari and it had popup headlamps. (forever a bonus)
Mine had a T-top and full leather interior which made the ownership experience all the better.
Only 174BHP which was not the same as the Turbos that the US reviewed against the 348.
The car was very beautiful and quite fast and handled better than any car I'd driven up to that point.
Honestly I don't think I could could take a windy road any faster in my Z4 with 218BHP than the SW20 with 174bhp.
It was incredibly agile.
It was my favourite car I've ever owned.
Luv and Peace.
So, having had an older 308 (1979) for quite some time I have enjoyed your channel and your hands on approach to your trials and tribulations. I adore the little Ferrari and have had a plethora of other classic sports cars to compare it to without any regrets. Luckily I got mine with about 22K miles on it and as its still under 30K I've had very little problems with it. There is basically nothing on this car I can't fix myself which is just the way I like it. And yes the exhaust sound sucks.
My other favorite at the other end of the spectrum is the 456GT. Mine is Rosso Monza and truly a spectacular car by Ferrari standards of the day. I've it just North of 160MPH without feeling like it was even breathing hard. Its got a Capristo exhaust and absolutely nothing sounds like a F V12 on song.
You have the right car. Might not sound as good as the 456, but definitely looks the part😎
Some people are saying: 'Go with the V12, no contest.' But I'll bet they haven't worked on one that's been stuffed into a cramped engine bay. It seems most V12s are actually a pair of independent inline-6 engines, working in concert. That means two complete but separate engine management and ignition systems, two water pumps, possibly two alternators, etc, etc. Replacement parts WILL be extremely expensive for a limited-production Ferrari V12, of course.
If that 456 is an OBDII (1996-later) vehicle, it only gets worse. It will have at least four wide-band O2 sensors, probably four catalytic converters, multiple knock sensors, fourteen injectors (two cold-start), a comprehensive evaporative emissions system, and a wide range of other complexities. Not to mention all the electronic goodies that can fail, like power seat motors, cruise control, automatic climate control, damper adjusters, and so on.
It may have cost only three grand more to buy, but it will be far more difficult and expensive to operate over a significant number of miles. My god, you paid 245 POUNDS for one Ferrari distributor cap and rotor set for the 308! An obscenity. Costs about $35 (~25 pounds) for my C4 Corvette. Even if you do the work yourself, which will be a truly annoying nightmare, the expense will be astonishing (if not downright sickening).
Meanwhile, you already have a beautiful 308. It's a completely analog car (the holy grail, right?), and dirt-simple. As of this writing, you are well along in sorting it out. With the second custom exhaust, its flat-plane V8 sounds brilliant. Is the V12 really so much better? The 456 is actually a bit sterile in comparison, anyway. Sure, it's faster, but the 308 lets you savor its character. The 456 gets you to 'go to jail' speed so quickly, it's hard to enjoy. Impressive isn't the same thing as fun. Ask Fred the Frog.
I'm British, live in Canada. In Canada we have wide straight roads, and when I go back to the UK I am driven bat sh*t bonkers by the narrow winding roads that make up the entirety of the UK. If you do go onto what Canadians call a "highway" it's a parking lot in the UK, bumper to bumper traffic! I drive my Porsche on the HWY 400 Extension between Barrie Ontario and Parry Sound. It's like a track for sports cars. Two lanes, wide, and straight, and 100KM plus of road. I frequently "race" the guy in the Corvette or Mustang next to me. There is never any traffic.
On 456 you can use 50ohm for kattemp sensor and consumption go down to 17-18 litre for 100km
The cheapest 308 in Australia is $100k AU - you guys are living the dream with those prices over there !! Top video
Thank Bruno!
The 308 is an outrageously pretty car. Classic Ferrari.
I just have to say that the 308 engine doesn't sound quite right. Has the induction system been balanced? Just a thought.
@Number 27
Did you just turn left where Harry turns right and the nails it at 5:26??
Really good 550's are making around £50k on various car auction websites - they are a great second hand buy - ran one for 10k miles without major drama
You absolutely bought the right car. While I don't mind the 456, the 308 has so much more character there is no contest.. lots easier to work on too..win-win.. but if we dream we can hear that V12 in the influenzo.. wouldn't that be a great combo?
Love the 456 alloys are they made by speedline ?
You picked the right Ferrari, the 308 is gorgeous. :)
Agree the 456 does look like a Peugeot 406 Coupe VERY much. I had a new 406 3.0 coupe, decent car.
Both cars are stunning. The 308 should stay in red, but please please remove the fog light covers. Great videos.
dreamed of a 308 gts since a teenager..and get a 456 ! opportunity of a low mileage/manual/documented...bla vla and getiing older. I love it but exhaust is disappointing. What type of exhaust modification is on your friend 456?
I like your comments and agree with most of what you say. A well sorted 308 is an absolute joy. In my opinion, QVs were the fastest but the carbs sound best. I’ve had both.
I ran a 308 GTS QV and a 456 GT together for almost 10 years. Sold the 308 when I got married in 2013. Much regretted that sale. Hope to bring my 456 silver lady to Istanbul one day. That will be a road trip.I wish that I could post a pic of the pair.
Here they are: photos.app.goo.gl/Enfk2q8JxSMphRWGA
Does the 308 have a bad angle?
Doesn’t matter what angle you show it from, it always looks as amazing today as it did 40 years ago!
I did not realize that the shape of the 456 wasn't loved by everyone! After the Ferrari 275GTB4 and the 250GT Luzzo (complete with rear live axle) the 456 is my next favorite Ferrari. That beautiful shape graced the opening credits of the original Top Gear. Very controversially (now back off everyone) I also have a soft spot for the 308GT4.
@henryhol8538 To me the 456 looks like a modern Daytona.
I like a GT4 too!
Lucky guy, I have driven a 456 when I was looking at buying one, glad I didn't buy the one I was looking at, two many issues. I still want to drive a 3x8 car, but since I am picking up my V8 Esprit next week, I don't think I will be looking for one any time soon.
Enjoy the Esprit!!
I like the 456. Didn’t realise how closely it inspired the 406 Coupe but, of course, now you mention it the similarity in style is obvious.
If I was being unkind, id say that the 456 is the Ferrari for those who’ve made it while the 308/328/348 etc is the Ferrari for those who’ve won the lottery. I like the 456 with round headlights.
The iconic look of the 308 makes it unique to me, this is the one I would buy without hesitation.
The 308 is the right one, check out the Nouvalari exhaust system possibly de-cated, fitted this to my 348, now sounds epic, also purchased the car though seen quite recently.....
"Unpolluted" is the word of the video, and so true of the 308/328. Would be interesting to do a back to back with an Elise, a 2005 111r arrived at home on the day of the lockdown :( and I haven't driven it much but I agree there are amazing similarities!
It would be really interesting to see if you can add tweaks to get the handling and performance of the 308 to better match the looks...
Few tweaks will definitely help!
Talking Of Ferraris that divide opinion, I've always liked the 365/400/412 but most people seem to dislike them, I think they're beautiful to look at esp. from behind. Fwiw I'd have the 456 but would not be bothered either way if, irl, u gave me the choice.
The 308 must be the best investment. I can see values going up in the years to come.
To know one's limits, and to drive not pamper. Is an unbeatable combination. Love the color.
That 308 looks so good on the roads! The ergonomics of the 2 cars look very different. Seat back height and steering wheel angle for starters...both look wrong by today’s standards.
You chose the right car Jack but it still aint soundin' all that. Get it sawtid fella!
The sound you want is definitely out there somewhere, i was at oulton park for a porsche track day in my then 72 RHD 2.4S. It was pissing down. The best car there was a 2.2E with a 3.6 993 engine in it (for sale at the time for 20k why I didn't bite their arm off I can't say) but there was a 308 interloper that just made the most incredible noise and we all wanted it
Not all 456s were created equal. In 1996 the Bosch Motronic 5.2 engine management system was introduced. This was OBD2 compliant, so makes chasing engine gremlins a little easier and cheaper (not so intimidating). Many components are shared with BMWs, Volvos, etc. Also, the later M version (1998) of the 456 didn't have the earlier car's motorised rear underbody flap, which can present maintenance problems.
Yes.. that flap is cool though!
The 308 is the best hand built street race car hands down.. If you want that F1 sound go straight pipes all the way back 😯 I would rebuild the suspension to stiffen the roll..
Ferrari-Sounding and looking great 🚒👍
I think the 456 is a beautiful thing. But it shouldn't bottom out on ordinary roads so it may have been lowered, or the electronic dampers may have an issue. The steering I found fine, and Ferrari had been putting power steering into cars for 20 years before the 456 so it should be pretty well tuned. I haven't heard of any electronic fix to lighten the steering, and if as I believe it's purely hydraulic with no speed sensitivity or other ECU input that seems unlikely. If you want a list of what can go wrong, ask Ratarossa! But as with both cars if you find one that's been taken care of it will give fewer expensive surprises. But you pay for the privilege of course.
Yes this one has been lowered a tad..
Left hand drive and right hand drive?
456 is the car I reckon Enzo would have driven as a daily - understated, quick, pretty and comfortable - I read he loved his 400 coupe so very much a modern version of the same?
I'm thinking of pulling the trigger on a 308 in the next few months. It'll be a sight unseen Ebay auction. To me it's the most beautiful car ever made. You seem to be a tall fellow and you fit just fine...I'm 6'3" and hope my dream doesnt crumble because of my height...
Beautiful car you have...enjoy it in good health!
Don't forget to wear your favorite Pajama trousers when you click the button. It will bring you luck, trust me.
Good luck, hope you get a good one!
Also, those are the exact same roads that Harry's Garage test drives his cars on. 😎😜
The one you own is always better than the one you do not own.
Nope, not with Italian cars. It's usually better getting rid of them than owning them....😉
@@thefreedomguyuk Keep washing your camry.
@@darrellsimpson6966 If you cared to look for my other posts, you'd find I actually do know a little bit about italoclassics. You'd also known I'm always very tongue-in-cheek vocal about how financially rewarding ownership of these is....
I've actually owned a Camry. Nowt wrong about that. And a Volvo, and a Vectra. You can't really use an Italian car, new or classic, as a daily drive.
@@thefreedomguyuk Good on you.
@@darrellsimpson6966 It's not really about being good or not. We've got some really nice discussions going on here, so I just think your attitude is unnecessary.
I think you made the right decision. The 456 is technologically superior, but the 308 is a piece of art in motion. And let's not forget it was Magnum P.I.'s car!
At the end you comment that you like the 308’s mechanical simplicity and it’s directness. With which model did this really end? The 328, 348, manual shift 355 or manual shift 360? No definitive answer I’m sure, but I’m interested in your view.
Interesting comment.. the 348 is the last car without assisted steering and so on.. but it’s not the best ferrari. But it is the last one that felt old school.
Love the look of the 308 but not so keen on the fit. Good job it’s got an open top.
The 456 is understated a subtle beauty, it shouts out under the hood! Probably far more reliable than the 308!
Steering feel won’t be helped by those 360 wheels- the fronts are far too narrow. They were narrow on the 360, and that didn’t have a great big v12 in its nose.
Tough comparison but 308 looks cool but is lacking what the much younger GT 456 gives from the v12. I think you actually look cooler in the 356.
Just saw a lovely Dino this morning.... Now that is the better of them both.
308 is just a beauty! Classic beauty 🧐
Hi Jack loved the video the v12sound mmmm fond memories try and get a drive in a F355 you wont be disappointed i owned one for a while it was the last real Ferrari as far as i was concerned must admit id have a 555 Maranelo manual version ask your friend jayem to let you try his
Yes, he’s aiming to visit in a week and I’ll get to try his 550! And I’ll do a little video!
I guess the best car is the one that gives you the most driving pleasure.
The 456 is the most understated Ferrari I think. Very classy. A proper grand tourer as opposed to the 308 which is a sports car. I'd struggle to choose between them. Horses for courses, no pun intended.
Can I ask a question, please don't take it the wrong way as I love your videos...... Why do you look at the gearstick every time you change gear? Is it necessary with the gate in a Ferrari? Thanks for all the great videos, keep them coming!
Others have mentioned this! Wasn’t aware I was doing it... I definitely don’t do it in the Peugeot.. so may e it’s that it’s a gated shift. I’ll think about to next time I drive it!
Are these the same roads Harry M uses?
I just subscribed.
Great car channel.
Thank you buddy, much appreciated!!