343 Industries Disrespecting Bungie Halo Developers.
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- Опубликовано: 23 июн 2024
- That tweet from the dev is over a year old.
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Unrelated but Surasia posted that 343 Industries has a completely finished UI Menu refresh for Halo Infinite that hasn't been released.
Very curious as to why they haven't released it if its done. Time will tell.
im very curious why 343 are still a thing
because it would take effort from 343
Not that I had much hope for this remake to begin with but hearing this has completely killed any hope I had for it. Once again 343 has proven they never deserved Halo, the inheritance of the mantle of responsibility for all of Halo was never meant for them, it seems fans will have to remake Halo ourselves. Madders are already remaking Halo CE, perhaps with the right assets from the SlipSpace engine or even Unreal we can simply remake all Bungie era games and continue the story from where they left of ourselves and do better.
Is it gonna be an update or an actual resale?
@@francosaglio3640 It's meant to be a proper remake since they would be using the Unreal Engine.
It's simple, 343i does not want Bungie people because they would quickly show that 343i devs/leadership have been incompetent and don't care about Halo.
What's worse is that Pierre Hintz' team is VERY talented. But this aversion to stay away from what Bungie has built is honestly frustrating. If The Coalition can build upon what Epic Games did with Gears (albiet with mixed results) the 343 should be able to do the same but no.
@@chaoschaoforever don’t worry, the report is talking about the old 343 before Peter took over. Peter worked on halo 2 multiplayer.
@@NazmusLabs It's Pierre, not Peter. And no, this is a flat out fabrication. He had nothing to do with Halo 2. Additionally, the only thing he has done since taking over is cancel seasons (and Infinite entirely), fire Joe Staten, and increase shop prices.
@@Aether-EntropyWrong, it was also Pierre’s team that resurrected MCC. That team has repeatedly show they understand Halo. It’s the senior leadership that has handicapped 343 now.
@@CDX7 they understand halo because they fixed a game that was broken 6 years after release? How does this show they understand halo? All they did was add cosmetics (that didn’t match halos art style) and shut down support once people pushed back on the monetization of MCC.
The level of cope people have is insane
I'm just salty that Microsoft shut down a bunch of studios and somehow missed 343.
This one was truly tragic. 343's decade+ of identity crisis gets to stay, but Tango gets gutted?
Like...Seriously? Is that the state of things? We're cooked, Halo is cooked, it's just being juggled for fun at this point
even though most of the community hates 343 for what they have done to the series...people still buy the overpriced bullshit in the store which makes bank compared to a single player indie game
@@JuiceboxCEit's like Halo playing Russian roulette except somehow it's managed to off itself 4 consecutive times. Tango hit a slam dunk and then gets taken out back and euthanized like old yeller.
@@red5robb1 that's the part that annoys me the most. They make buttloads of money in spite of the lack of quality and here I am screaming, "Yeah but imagine the even more buttloads you could be making if you made stuff that didn't suck".
It was gutted but unfortunately wasn't shutdown so who knows if there will actually be any changes. I would like to know if the people that were originally in charge of hiring are still there. If not, there will definitely be no changes. And the fact that Halo is too much into feelings makes sense now
this lowkey seems petty, it feels like 343 industries keeps trying harder and harder to separate themselves and their games from bungie's. Its like theyre trying to outshine the original games while refusing to use any of the leverage they have from learning and building upon old formulas already established. Hiring people that dont like halo or someone that doesnt like games with guns just appears to be self sabotage
They can’t outshine Bungie. Whatever they try will NEVER work. They should just give up already. 343 is trash
@@antonjalowy4143 at this point i think the name 343 is just a bad omen
@@antonjalowy4143 H5 clears any overrated ass bungie game
@@Manning0151 🤣🤣🤣 what fantasy world do you live in dude
@@antonjalowy4143 The real one.
You can’t even sprint in Bungie games and the one time you could it was an ability💀 and your DMR had bloom💀🙃, H5 is Franchise best
Is 343 full a bunch of 10 year olds? These people need to grow up
You mean like all the people getting their pants in a twist over one tweet? I think its the outraged ones like yourself that need to grow up.
@@marty1459 could care less about a tweet but you can assume whatever you want, pal
@@marty1459 this is not about the tweet. 343 has consistently held this absurd "Higher than thou" or "Our shit doesn't stink" attitude for the entirety of their time developing Halo. It's nothing new. All the tweet does is remind people of just how much this studio sucks.
Kinda ridiculous to think its the entire studio that feels that way since it was one employee and the fact that alot of the studio employees have been changing. Idk it seems like another the sky is falling thing, just another Tuesday for the halo community....
@@marty1459, in Public there's usually a consequential FO component to your FA...
343 is the definition of self sabotage.
They're almost on Netflix's level at this point.
Thats like being a vet technician that dosnt like animals, wtf 343
Or a teacher that doesn't like kids......... oh wait.....
I would say more like a doctor that gets squeamish with blood
EXACTLY
I'd understand the matter if this person didn't know they'd dislike guns before going onto Halo. Something like that happened with Mortal Kombat devs, where they didn't expect to be traumatized by the gore as they thought they could handle it. But this tweet is not clear about that part.
No. He literally said he liked futuristic sci-fi weapons more.
Yeah halo is cooked, sadly 343 doesn't give it the treatment it needs like ID software does with DOOM. We need passionate devs, screw 343
Yeah 😔
Blaming 343 while they do what they can with dumb Microsoft 18 months contracts... People like you don't understand anything...
@@AnthonyGR32have you not watched this?
Those were 343 decisions
Microsoft is bad but so is 343
Nobody is handling halo right and both of them are very much in the wrong
There’s little to no hope for the halo franchise from here I’ll be real, not one side is handling it with care and everyone who’s tried to has been turned away and blocked out
@@doubletrouble4766 These weren't, considering it was the same problem with Forza Motorsport.
Also, considering this + COVID + new engine + more ambitions (open world) etc. That's a lot. They really shouldn't have tried to release it for XBOX One too imo, that's the main problem.
But considering 343 Industries is bad while they made Halo 4 that was very good, Halo 5 that was very good too and Halo Infinite that was also very good, all 3 overall, it's not really fair. They didn't make any bad games. These games have problems, yeah, so as Bungie's games...
Worst thing from 343 was Kiki Wolfkill who should definitely be fired and never touch anything from Microsoft's IP ever again...
Halo produced by ID software would be leagues better than anything 343 has made
Just like Star Wars.
There's a stupid trend I've noticed where people who hate a beloved franchise are hired to -re-image- *destroy* its content.
You spelt "destroy" wrong.
Yeah its called milking their audience, and I'm tired of being treated like cattle. It also doesn't help that Star Wars and Halo are so beloved yet tarnished at the same time that it's really easy to take advantage of the small amount of customers who still stick around and just want something enjoyable.
@@stable9010 You're right, let me edit that.
There are so many similarities between Halo and Star Wars now. Both sold off to different companies where they've been completely ruined beyond repair, awful streaming shows, uninspired sequels that fail to capture what made the originals beloved, insulting the fans, Spartans and Jedi used to be rare but now everyone can be one apparently, behind the scenes footage of both franchises from 15-20 years ago showed the passion the people working on it had which we don't get anymore, and both have become completely oversaturated and dare I say sabotaged into the ground.
@@SimplestUsername I have witnessed justice in real time.
I thought we were over this. 343 hired people who hated Halo, and look what happened to Halo. Disney hired people who hated Star Wars and look what happened. What are we still doing here?
Chasing the Nostalgia
Crazy how hiring people outside a fan base who aren't passionate about a franchise doesn't lead to innovation within that franchise.
Cia
Which is ironic as no one wants 343 as Halo developers but here we are....
And that's the problem, which company are willing to take in Halo? Surely not current Bungie?
@@Samuel_LoeganxD
@@KuraVixen I mean, do we seriously want even more heavy microtransactions? XD
Current Bungie is even worse than current 343. So effing much for independence from Activision 😂 Remember Jason Jones? Bungie OG? Yeah he is not this damn jolly wholesome lead dev back in Bungie days
I waant the ground level people making the game not the people in charge because im pretty certain theyre not like Bungie where they were on the front lines with their people and if they are its to teeter an agenda that isnt Halo, WHATS THAT YOU ARENT WORKING ON THE STORE!? REEE IT LAGS WHEN YOURE LOOKING THROUGH STORE PAGES NO NO WE CANT HAVE THAT! lol what the game lags for online people who gives a flying f*** they arent paying for our microtransaction get real
I live in the Seattle area. This is pretty par for the course with white collar professionals around here, especially in creative spaces. These folks are envious, insecure, and resentful... They'd rather be the Captain of a sinking ship than let someone more capable take over who can actually avert disaster. Yes, they really are that petty.
Imagine being uncomfortable with guns in video games. Imagine being that soft.
Your ancestors survived 300,000 years of bloodshed only for you to be afraid of something that is entirely digital - that isn’t real.
I know that’s rude to say, but my God, it’s unbelievable seeing someone say such a thing.
I was gonna comment something similar
It’s 100% true
I know it’s rude but then get out of the industry
Start being vocal at halo events . Start pushing the narrative against 343 industries and Microsoft that we need the old bungie employees to be hired and to be in leadership positions at 343 . The hiring processes in the future should be only halo fans .
While I'm sure some Bungie (current or former) employees like Joe Staten would love to work on Halo again, much of the reason Bungie sold Halo to Microsoft was because they did not want to keep making it. They were sick of it, especially after Halo 2's development hell. IF they were going to give Halo to anyone, I'd rather it be Certain Affinity which are primarily made up of former Bungie employees that worked on Halo. But that being said, I'd rather Mircosoft end Halo for a little while. As much as I love it, nothing will compared to the first 5 games and how cohesive and well written the story was. I'm just so done with the franchise after 343's butchering of it.
@@chaoschaoforeverThat isn’t true for all Bungie employees. Marcus Lehto is always involved in the Halo community and has helped out a few modders with making models for them and he helped the digsite crew get a lot of old assets from the macworld demo for them. He’s stated on twitter he would love to work on Halo again. Paul Russel, Paul Bertone and Marty have all shown interest in working on another Halo game but have said 343 is hostile towards old Bungie employees. Perhaps Bungie at the time wanted to pass the baton to work on something else but their opinions have changed since then, as opinions tend to do with time
as an alpa tester for fire fight mod from 2007-2011 the 343 was designed to erase Bungie culture. I remember hear the lead art director say i can't wait to change and put my touch on thing's people are familiar with. with a big grin and the hair on the back off my head stand up. 343 was designed with nepotism in mind since day one. part of the reason they cut the test group and slot a bunch of youtuber's in was all to kill the Bungie culture and the control them with access and content. a lot of the halo 4 content was not what you think.
How to destroy a franchise 101 featuring 343... again
This makes me not want to get a Halo game ever again out of principal alone…
I just want a good halo game😭
yes we need a good halo game :(
You and me both.
@@MintBlitz You guys have a giant reach. I believe with help of modding community you can make your own I'm sure. SPV3.3 is the perfect example.
yeah but if 3 different dev studios make a halo game... then 343 wont sell anything from their game( no mater how good it is) .... probably due to boycotting .... then 343 will either be a dead studio or get placed as a support studios like how EA is doing with all of their Dev studios for Battlefield
🥺😢😢😭😭😭
This company is a legitimate circus.
It’s such a strange and pointless ego thing from 343, why not have the help from people WHO CREATED THE GAME?!?!?! It’s a win win for them AND the fans. Mind boggling stuff.
I cant say much for Bungie either back in their day... Even they dont like the Studio who made Halo Wars 1..... they werent being co operative and dont want them to make their game and since they needed guidance and help and resources from Bungie
Because Bungie would NEVER help them even if they could. The whole reason for the hostility in the first place is because Bungie wanted to put the series to rest and Microsoft just straight up said "Nope." and created 343i, and since it's technically Microsoft who owns the IP, Bungie quitting means anything Halo is no longer able to be touched by Bungie. 343i is literally a company created to spite Bungie, it's a miracle they had as many past Halo devs in 343i as the did in they first place.
@@Abakato You're like 75 percent correct. 343 was created as a Halo COMMUNITY studio. Meant to just run Halo Waypoint and forums and stuff. They were NEVER meant to be a dev team. But yeah Bungie would never help Microsoft again. Bungie should never sold the IP to Microsoft. I know they were backed into a corner and had to but still.
@@chaoschaoforever Oh fuck, yeah i forgot about Waypoint, your right. Honestly makes it sound even worse when you put Halo 4 in that context. "We hired the community to make Halo. Also the people we hired from said community hates Halo."
@@Abakato It honestly sucks because the truth of the matter is I think Bungie themselves predicted this, as they said a passionate team who have a vision will always try their best to bring on the best people for the job, and that will push themselves to bring out the best in each and every person on that team. And despite all Bungie's bumps in the road with Destiny, I have to give credit where it's due as Bungie stuck to their guns and gave us a fantastic expansion end to a 10 year story. Something 343 couldn't even do.
Joe Staten was laid off? I thought he left to pursue the current job he was at?
No, he was part of the firings.
He was moved back to his old job at Microsoft publishing which he then quit and went to Amazon.
Joe fully expected to remain at 343 and work on the next halo game.
@@LateNightHalothat’s actually sadder. They fired him and he expected he was staying?
@@LateNightHalo
Sad.
Btw, completely unrelated to the video, can we get another video thought on the current Destiny 2 situation with Final Shape.
You only did one after about two years when the game sucked after Lightfall came out.
@@LateNightHaloMicrosoft is on fent for that oh my god
I was hoping that the new leadership would be better, but Joe was fired after Bonnie left. I guess it really is just gonna get worse
I think that hiring a developer who does not like guns to work on Halo is more of a management issue than anything. If this person made it clear they didn't want to work on a game with guns, they should never have been considered for the job in the first place. I wish I could say I'm angry or shocked, but this just feels like another drop in the bucket of mistakes and bad decisions 343i have made.
If thats just one dev's opinion, imagine who else has/is harboring similar feelings towards the IP. Gee I wonder why this franchise has an identity crisis.
When the old heads were cut from 343, I was really hoping things would turn around, and they did for a time.
But seeing that the old, petty bad blood for the old bungie team still remain is making me wonder if the 343 curse is just stuck there. (I mean, they literally named 343 after the character that betrays Master Chief in CE).
I really like the idea of Microsoft putting together a team of the old Bungie guys. We've been saying for a while that the Halo IP needs to be shared across studios now since 343 has been constantly making missteps for over a decade, so why not let them have their own side project?
They could make a Halo: ODST 2. The ODST's have been gone long unloved and never properly utilized under 343, so if the ex-Bungie guys wanted a crack at it, I say let them.
As much as I would love that to happen it's pretty much impossible now. Marty O'Donnell is retired, Marcus Lehto is basically retired now after what happened at EA, Jason Jones has repeatedly stated he will never work on Halo again, Joe Staten was now outed from Microsoft (knowing them probably permanently), Michael Salvatori is currently MIA, Max Hoberman leads Certain Affinity (which is under Microsoft), Alex Seropion is MIA after EA shut down his studio last year, Frank O' Connor is gone (most likely permanently), Tyson Green is currently game director of Destiny 2 and so on and so forth. The band split up. While these new devs are very talented, you unfortunately cannot have one of the old crew without the other. These team of people that created the first 5 games was like capturing lightning in a bottle, and now the band has gone off in their own direction.
It's a shame what 343 has done to the game. Face it, no matter how hard we try, things aren't going to get fixed at this current rate. 343 will just keep messing up, again and again.
The fact that infinite was getting updated consistently and better shows it can. It just takes some effort and time
@@sgtaveryjohnson3803 True, but at this point the only way we can get change is if there was a large-scale protest outside of 343s building, but you and I both know that won't happen.
@@sgtaveryjohnson3803 And yet Infinite is still worse than MCC and Halo 5.
@@megaman37456 Worse than Halo 5? Yo pass me whatever potent drug of choice you are smoking. Halo 5 was an abomination of a game. Nothing in the franchise from 343 even come close to that steaming pile of dogshit. I remember after Halo 4 came out I thought "Okay this is different but 343 is just getting their toes wet and feeling out how they want to make a Halo game" and then H5 comes out and I didn't even buy it. It literally was the catalyst that finally encouraged me to fully switch to PC gaming lmao.
@@YuYuYuna_ Halo 5 is easily one of the best Halo Multiplayers out there, problem is it's also bar none, the worst Halo campaign out there.
But anyone who thinks Infinite's gameplay is better than ANY previous mainline Halo game or even ODST, is both High and Stupid.
Bungie isnt the same company anymore.
The jokes just write themselves at this point. This franchise will never come back
I now see why now fans don’t want 343 to work on Halo anymore… it gut wrenching to see devs not passionate about the projects they’re working on.
Gaming is a complete 180 from what it used to be.
Once 343 realised who I was, they tried compromising my Linkedin account for weeks. I confronted them about it, and threatened them with police action (I can show you screenshots from my ticket to back this up). Things have changed now in their communications with me, but there were actual trash cans working at the company who hurt their ability to hire people.
There was bad leadership at the company, but the badness percolated down to the rank and file. They are no doubt struggling to hire competent talent with this kind of attitude.
People should know this.
For what it's worth, having new people work on the next game is probably not a bad idea anyway. Look at the 2016 and later Dooms for a good example of how it can work out.
Hang on, who are you and how did you get into that situation? Did I miss something?
Yo, additional context would be nice? Who are you?
To be clear, I'm not ex-Bungie. I informally offered my services to help Infinite in written form, given my background. Immediately after which I started noticing suspicious login events from certain locations. After another written update, they ceased.
The above is kind of a rough summary of events. It's not worth expanding further in a public forum.
But for any appropriate 343 personnel, there should be enough written communications to track down what I'm talking about.
343 will do anything but do their job. We need a full list of every decision made by these "producers" and "leaders"
I dislike 343 so damn much but being entitled to know every decision they’ve made is a little to much lol
When it comes to the Halo remake, hearing that 343 sacked the original Halo devs & doesn't want them back is extremely sus to me. This gives me the strong suspicion that 343 isn't interested in faithfulness to the original, but wants to 'make their mark'. I am not confident that 343 will remake Halo CE well.
Watching the rest of the video, I also wonder if 343 are trying to wreck Halo out of sheer spite. As in, if they can't corrupt it the way they want - source material be damned - then they will ruin it utterly. Deliberately hiring people who actively despise the IP you're working on is calculated self-sabotage, 343 wants to run Halo into the ground.
It would be cool if the ex Bungie devs made an ODST 2 (or other spinoff game), but 343 would probably be worried that they would be taken out of the spotlight and people would just play the spinoff
Gosh, it'll also be a big flex to 343 if ODST 2 was also like a Helldivers 2 type game as well.
if 343 doesn't understand that a massive chunk of the fanbase is here for more "bungie-era halo" (and have been since 2012), then idk what to tell 343. If they're not gonna take things seriously, we ain't about to rush out and buy the next "halo". there's an endless amount of mods and older content to enjoy.
I’m just glad Shills, Casuals, the average consumer, and the Halo community is finally coming to their senses and realizing what many people had been trying to alert everyone with all these red flags and early warnings.
Anyone with eyes and ears has been telling people how terrible 343 is since their inception. H4, H5, MCC, false advertising, broken promises, terrible broken launches. Over and over. It's insane that people still defend this company.
@@Aether-Entropyincluding every other Halo youtuber such as this guy who praises 343 for “fixing” this trash beta of a game even for the smallest detail that SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE GAME AT LAUNCH.
it’s just money for them because it’s Halo and they need content to make that money even if the game is total trash they defend this trashpile of a company. just gross blindness
lol how do these people make it into the positions they have… like who is making these absurd decisions
Microsoft should have the old Bungie guys keep supporting MCC. They can work with the Digsite team and keep finishing and adding content that was supposed to be in those games to begin with. Would have plenty of content for years to come and it would be faithful to those games.
If this is confirmed I will not be buying the next game. This is so f💩cked up
Don't worry mint blitz is lying here lol
Since i finished today MCC again on legendary and reading in the end of H4 the :"Every great journey starts with a single step. this is our beginning. Thanks for trusting us with the universe you love and joining us on this epic adventure" -343 Industries. Ngl even back than after finishing halo 4 on my xbox 360 i already diddnt had a good feeling about that game in particular and the future.
343 isn’t cooking, they are cooked.
Nah they "crisp" those mfs burnt up during halo 4 like a shooting star and are still burning🤣🤣
The fact that someone is uncomfortable because of guns is insane to me. Especially in video games...
I don't think 1 dev in a team of 100 people + is going to derail a whole game. Like saying police LOVE dealing with drunk people. They don't... but they do it. This guy might be in charge of visor colours. Relax.
Tf? I said it's weird that they are uncomfortable with guns... what are you on about? Also, it's weird that you just tried to start an argument over that... Relax.
@@GiltUwU Apologies if my comment seemed aggressive. It was not meant that way. There seems to be an undue amount of outrage over 1 guy expressing himself (Not you specifically). The game hasn't changed over night... I'm still playing it. There may have been Vegans (not Star Trek) working on Cooking Mama. You might not feel/think the same as people you work with.... that's cool. Again, apologies if I came off as rude.
*gets popcorn bucket out
343 not wanting Bungie employees is the most disconnected thing I've ever heard. These ppl hate Bungie and what they created and how the fans hold them in such high regards, Halo is never going to get out of the gutter if these ppl at 343 and MS don't get their heads out their butts. This has made me lose all hope in the halo franchise, this thing we all love is on life support 😢
Would explain the lackluster FINITE updates to the franchise. 😂
To be fair the MCC updates were nearly a new golden age of Halo, then Infinite shat the bed so hard that it undid ALL of that.
@megaman37456 it took 343 6 years to start updating mcc in an actual meaningful way to the point that it’s actually playable.
@@joelc9329 And that doesn't negate the good it did.
@@megaman37456 Agreed, took em half a decade to fix what should've been a lawsuit for false advertising, then with Halo 5, should've been another lawsuit for false advertising, and with Halo FINITE which should've been met with, you guessed it, you read it, you see this coming, ONCE AGAIN, A THIRD LAWSUIT FOR FALSE ADVERTISING!!!!!
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They are making censorship changes to Halo 2 and Halo 3: ODST to try to avoid a label of islamphobia that literally nobody was giving it along with cater to BLM wokoid terror groups, and 343 abandoned MCC to not give it updates due to microtransactions being met with backlash.
For short, MCC is actually a BAD thing, not a good thing.
Twitter really is hell…
343i, like many modern corporate entertainment entities, just cant understand what made franchises of the past so entertaining. They think they're geniuses and think the market will follow wherever they take these series and can not and will not consider a future where they unknowingly lead it in a "bad direction". Narcissism, hubris and stupidity.
But luckily the market can humble them with cold hard results.
Bro having three different developers for halo would be lit. That would mean more halo games and I believe the games with the ex bungie devs would be more suited to do the ce remake and their games would be a lot more fun
343 deserves to be nowhere near that remake. But who knows with Microsoft smh
Then sell the franchise to a studio that would
iD Software comes to mind.
343 STIll has yet to come out with a fix for Halo Infinite crashes on Nvidia graphics cards. The only solution they have is to roll back the drivers which causes all my others games that require the new drivers to run properly. its been a month and I still cant play.
Same here. Sucks
All this makes the last 10 years make even more sense while at the same time making it more infuriating to be a halo fan.
So tired of 343i as a company, just give the IP to the companies that want to make a Halo game and to people that actually care about the original story.
No wonder 343 kept making guns look like nerf if they have people with this weird mindset working on Halo
It’s at the point where we have to say fuck what 343 want’s Microsoft should be doing something about this studio ruining the franchise
it's infuriating to see people so unfit for the job get thriving positions when I myself have the qualifications and passion but can't get anywhere
I really hope in the future, someone passionate would be able to buy Halo from Microsoft, and start to hire people that love halo to work on new projects.
Didnt we already know this as they bragged about purposely not hiring ex bungie?
3:57 He didn't even hit that player yet his shields dropped.
That's 343 bullet magnetism for ya.
Could be a theatre glitch?
he's playing from australia so the game puts him in other regions' servers because of infinite's low population
Keep in mind that Joe Staten and Paul Bertone were not the only ones fired, half the studio was BY MICROSOFT. Also Marcus Lehto has mainly shown support for 343, he likes Halo 4 and Infinite. And Microsoft also hired fans of Halo to work on Halo 4, Josh Holmes is a Halo fan.
Time for a new company
I'm not usually one for optimism. but I hope the reasoning is because the bungie that exists today, is vastly different to the one that made halo 20 odd years ago
edit: ok. watched whole thing now. yikes. what little optimism I had has been demolished
microsoft absolutely has nothing good planned for halo. they're the main reason halo went for a cod feel in the first place
343 has done this from the very start. They have always had a deep hatred for Bungie and didn't want to be making Bungie-style Halo games so they burned the whole franchise down and for the past 10 years have been surprise-pikachu-face-ing surprised that no one likes their generic FPS gameplay and want the gameplay that is the main reason people fell in love with the franchise in the first place.
I just find it so odd that we might be getting a remaster of the first Halo. Sure it's a classic, but I think a continuation of Halo's current story would be good or a game about some of the other characters like more Noble 6 or more rookie.
Microsoft/343 should definitely be consulting with ex Bungie devs if the Halo Remake project is actually in development. My hope with Infinite and with 343 bringing back Joseph Staten was that we would actually get a return to form when it came to the "Halo Formula" we all know and love. But that never really panned out as i'm sure the game was already too far in development for Joesph to really course correct anything.
I'm also concerned with Gears of War E Day. Cliffy B. mentioned in a recent podcast interview that Microsoft/The Coalition hasn't reached out to him in any way for consulting or helping out with the development of the game. Why wouldn't you want consulting from someone who was instrumental in the creation of the IP. smh.
"I bought a Golden Goose so I could come home mad and kick it." - Microsoft
They're probably just jealous that most of us prefer the bungie games
Which is unfortunate because at the end of the day we just want a good game, and this move isn't really helping either
HERE WE GO AGAIN
WE ARE SO BACK BABY BUT IN A TOTALLY WRONG WAY ... THE PAIN ... THE PAIN
343 doesn't deserve Bungie devs. Just let Halo die peacefully ...
I love this franchise. A lot of stuff i'm planning was, and still is, at its core, Halo, and to see that the creators just clearly do not care at all? Its just a god damn shame. I am reminded constantly nowadays of Takahata saying repeatedly while watch DBZA, never love a thing more than its creator.
343 doesn't like Bungie, if they are going to "remaster" or "remake" Halo they are going to make it follow the Halo TV show.
I'm trying to stay cautiously optimistic about the future of the franchise, but man are they making it difficult...
It's things like this that make you actually consider the "humiliation ritual" narrative. It's so crazy that it seems like parody.
Who knew naming 343 after the monitor who deceived the player would become so ironic
they should change their company name to 343 insecurities at this point
we will never get change if evereyone wants to play the nice guy all the time, you need to be ruthless to get the message across
Reminds me of Halo 4, "we actually tried to hire people who don't like Halo". Ya that worked out.
Amazing Video man! I totally agree. I hope 343 and Microsoft considers talking to the original bungie devs, and bringing in anyone interested.
Why not let 343i do Halo 7 and give the Bungie devs the CE remake!?
The question everyone wants to know the answer to!
@@brickyrobot8932The answer is simple. Because Bungie have repeatedly said they don't want to do it again.
@@chaoschaoforever He said Bungie devs who worked at 343, not the actual bungie studios
@@GENERALEVILANGEL Oh oops! My B I misread!
In that case, that's a bit trickier as while many of the old heads want to come back like Marty, Marcus, and Joe. There are some like Jason Jones who never want to touch it again.
The issue is the bridges there have been burned, blown up, lied about and lied to, etc. too much that we would much sooner find another Earth-like planet in our solar system that we could make "earth 2" before we would get all of or even half of the old Halo Bungie team back together. Just about all of them are either working at other studios, retired, or have been burned, lied to, and spat on by 343 too much they no longer care to interact with them even for a minute. 343 has made a very calculated and concerted effort to make the Bungie devs who worked on Halo to know that they are not welcome to work on Halo anymore. For something like this to happen Microsoft would have to do some insane leg work to fix the burned and mangled bridges that 343 destroyed.
For those who dont understand. Halo has been subverted and destroyed. And I, for one, don't see any real future for Halo under 343i.
It's really not that hard for Microsoft to make the right decision here. Listen to the people and look at what 343 has done. It's a no brainer. Take 343 off and get the people who love Halo to work on it.
Just based off that tweet you know that dev loves content for a “modern audience”
thank you for doubling down on the fact people were shaming this person(s) for this
while it doesnt make sense for them to be working on a shooter, being an asshole to them changes nothing
Yeah, they replied to me and said oh but it was only a few people being really toxic!!
Lol
@@MintBlitz people will have always have something to say, cause remember, you, Nick, and Xperia are all 343 shills!
Looking forward to H3 LASO!
Do we even know if that dev works on the weapons sandbox? There is so much that goes into making a game.
They *could* be an environmental artist, building vehicle physics, so many non gun related things.
Actually I kinda relate to this person. I'm not crazy about guns myself and not really fond of hyper-realistic shooters like CoD. But Halo and DRG I'm fine with (and other sci-fi stuff). Not everyone who likes Halo is gun nut!
Besides, the guy said that Halo DOESN'T bother him. So this shouldn't really affect anything.
Also in the dev's defense, the guy clarified that the sci-fi aesthetic is good for the separation from reality. There's plenty of things I like to do in videogames that I wouldn't like to do in reality. For me, usually, the videogame is separation enough, but we should all understand that we all draw different lines
343 has lost their minds.
Yup
They never had any to begin with.
Welp I know how Star Wars fans are feeling now us halo fans and Star Wars fans are all in the same boat now 😞
Next halo game will have soft pillows and feathers as weapons
Mint this is a message for you and may apply to other content creators for halo I hope you truly get what this message means. I Enjoy your videos a lot because you try your best to send positivity towards Halo and it’s fans because they are craving it especially in this past decade, BUT now is time to take desperate measures against 343. I am NOT saying we should attack them with insults because of the reason you mentioned on your video, but 343 needs to go, they have to leave the halo franchise, the videos need to be more impactful or serious targeting the community to sign petitions or revolt against 343 some way or another like helldivers 2 showed us or war thunder. I am, and many are absolutely angry about the recent news (and I am not talking of the eventuality that they want to reboot everything) and your videos need to be a little more less positive (towards 343) we need to stop accepting this bs because if we keep this pace, we can wait till 2552 to actually have a good halo game, literally
I hope you understand
From a random halo fan.
343 is so frustrating
This is truly the end of an era.
The people working on Halo need to be passionate about everything going into the game. The way people at id are passionate about doom, the way people at infinity war are passionate about modern warfare, and the way old school bungie was passionate about halo.
I'm straight up gonna go up to bat for the "anti-gun dev", as long as they aren't working on the guns themselves, I don't see why they can't help work on other aspects of the game. They also said that the guns in Halo rarely ever make them uneasy, which makes this whole discussion seem kinda questionable to me. I especially empathise with the dev in question if they're American, considerinbg mass shootings and gun violence are hugely rampant here.
As far as the "just work on the games that don't include guns" point, it unfortunatly isn't as easy as that from what I'm aware of. There are a ton of people looking for work in game development right now, and it's unfortunatly become a bit of a "get what you can get" situation for most at the moment. Perhaps Halo isn't the ideal project the dev would want, but they would likely rather have a project they're iffy on then none at all.
I'm a largely a pro gun dude, but I can't help but shake that this is largely a non-issue where most of the people who are upset are upset for largely political reasons.Disagreements are all fine, but the Halo fanbase hardly needs any more reasons for outside people to see us as toxic assholes.
TL;DR, Who cares? Their opinion probably isn't hurting anything if they're just a grunt worker, don't harrass devs over for small political issues.
Not a defense of 343, but, there isn't a need for bungie devs. The Halo "feel" is already there to copy in the first 3 games. Kelly Gay could honestly be on the writing team for the games, and I'd be perfectly happy because she seems to have the perfect grasp on what makes the halo story great.
Plus, having an ex bungie dev doesn't suddenly mean the game will be good. Thats such a ridiculous oversimplification. Reach was much worse than halo 3 imo. Even legendary developers make shit games. Shinji Mikami is a great example of this.
If 343 is truly anti bungie devs, that dumb, but it's literally the flip side of halo MUST have bungie devs to be good at all. Both are ridiculous positions.
To let Bungie develop Halo games that veer off into an alternate halo universe that splits at the ending of 3 would be the dream. 343 can make games in their version of the Halo universe, whilst Bungie can do the same in a completely separate one that begins where they left off. Think Star Wars pre and post Disney, where they made two different timelines for the new stuff and the old stuff.
Part of the community must come together to create the FANGAME which will show 343 that they have done everything wrong
Mint Blitz: "Stop being toxic to 343 Industries employees"!
Also Mint Blitz: "Here's another unconfirmed reason to be toxic to 343 Industries employees"
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Something to note is that 343 answers directly to MS. If MS doesn't want 343 to do something, they won't do it, no questions asked. Back in the day, MS would suggest or demand stuff for Halo, and Bungie would fight back. I'm willing to bet that, even if some people at 343 wanted to hire ex-Bungie devs, MS told them no. MS wants a bunch of yes-men, and they know they won't get that with most ex-Bungie devs. I mean think about it, 343 did have ex-Bungie devs at the studio at one point. Hell, Frank O'Connor was ex-Bungie, and he was one of the top dogs at the studio. Why, because he was a yes-man. Some things have changed since the Halo 4 days though. The 343 of today is a completely different studio from the 343 of the Halo 4 or Halo 5 days. Using the "we hired people who don't like Halo" quote these days seems silly when basically none of the people who said/enforced that still work at the studio. If you want to get mad at a company, start pointing the blame at MS. They never understood Halo from the start, and instead of admitting that and letting Bungie/343 make a good Halo game, they'd rather let the franchise fall into irrelevancy.
Legitimately the smartest post in this entire comment section. People are putting the cart before the horse with 343. They are allowed and encouraged by their boss to make bad decisions. It doesn't matter if they cease to exist because MS can get another yes man. There is no shortage of those people.
saw a video on this today about this as well about how 343 didnt want Marty O'Donnell either and they treated Jeff Steitzer the classic halo multiplayer announcer like crap and wanted to replace Steve Downes and Jen Taylor, like halo isnt halo without Steve and Jen as master chief and cortana. like all these insider leaks makes me not want anything to do with 343 made halo games anymore
Make a team around the old Halo/bungie devs and shit can everyone at 343. 😉😉💪🏻💪🏻
if 343 has zero haters I'm dead
343Industries is just like Lucasfilm ... They so focused on other things that are degrading the franchise instead of making more creations of what we love. They need to stop rewriting or reinventing the wheel with Halo and just start dishing out Halo games every year. They need more studios instead of having so much contracting temp hires. Social politics is running the Halo franchise into the ground. All these awareness months/holidays and other factors like not being rated M for Mature anymore is really damaging aswell as the free to play live service model. We need a full complete game unless we have multiple halo studios developing diff Halo projects within due time.
I really hope this is a thing to with Bonnie Ross and frank o Conner when they were in charge and not the new leader ship. Why you would not have some of the most experienced people to help you make a new game in the franchise THEY created is ridiculous. This is even more confusing when you remember that frank o Conner worked at bungie as well during the halo 3 days.
Why do I get the feeling this halo ce remake will be a reboot. Yeah they said it’s not a reboot but how can you completely trust 343 anymore. We’ll obviously get the original campaign but 343 is going to find a way to undermine bungie and make it their own somehow.
They looked at Destiny and said "yea no"
That’s just messed up to deny someone who’s passionate.
It honestly feels like Halo is going the way of recent Star Wars which hurts the fans.
Fans would be happy for the OG creators to work on Halo which this is known but 343 and MS seem to avoid it.
There used to be a time that someone could go to a game con and say "I work on Halo" without having tomatoes thrown at them
No shit
Get back into reality stop living in the past bro. Game devs are trash and keep wondering why it's getting worse... You keep supporting them!!! Hahaha what do you expect
They said it themselves with halo 4 that they only wanted people who hated halo. I knew it then