My Concerns for the Future of Halo
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- In this episode: I discuss some uncomfortable truths regarding Halos recent History and its uncertain future, and how they concern me.
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Its such a shame, all these large scale corporations have these massive and expansive universes under their belts that the potential for limitless stories to be told and experiences to be had and all they ever wanna do dump all their resources into over confident uncreative corporate safe projects that either flop entirely or just do ok at best like youd think an entity that has millions at its disposal would be able to create the best work around but theyre either too scared, too uncommitted, of both to actually pursue something thatll actually result in something overtly successful
That's the modern world for ya. Low effort with a very high price tag.
Because with their hyper-inflated budgets, there's too much at stake; too much to potentially lose. When they dump the GDP of a small country into a video game, they want to basically ensure they will make their money back, so they make the most sterile, safe, inoffensive slop possible to ensure they don't potentially lose money on something that was *too* creative or *too* out-there to have mass-market appeal. It's why every AAA company is making the same freaking game right now; a generic 6v6 hero shooter seems to be the new trend, a few years ago it was the "linear 3rd person over-the-shoulder cinematic ghost train ride", and a few years before that it was battle royale.
It's almost as if a company's value is measured in their quarterly reports. If they take a gamble and fail, their margins won't be hit and investors will pull out. Remember, games exist to make a profit.
Ironically, there's over 20+ plus years of rich CANON LORE of the HALO world, which 343 could work with, yet over the years, 343 refuses to do any research and use it. The desire to play in a HALO world has become mentally painful. Now, the go-to fix is searching out canon via novels.
The one guy responding to all the comments saying people are lying about not liking the new games is wild.
Jus to add my comments to the mix, and I have said this before elsewhere, but if 343 DOES NOT follow through on their promise for Halo Infinite, I will NOT buy anything from them. Ever. They have broken our trust far too many times for the fans to continue to bail them out. Now, I am under no illusions that they will fix Infinite and provide 3-4 DLCs for the campaign, but that will dictate MY future with Halo. And I loved Halo. As far as I am concerned, they should hand the reigns over to a competent company for the future of this franchise.
Much love, 00, I’ll still watch your content. Can’t wait to see more updates on the suit
That last message was beautiful. It's a dream scenario, but it'd be the obligatory obvious one if they want to have a better shot of longterm success
Get Activision on it....BUT....without live service crap, no microtransactions, co-op day one....oh, who am i kidding? We're screwed
If 343 botch the CE remake and Halo 7, enough is enough. 343 will have screwed up this franchise for over 15 years. We will have given them enough chances. If these are failures, 343 needs to be shut down. Then cancel the Halo franchise.
@@johnmichinock752 this gets said every single time; you already know exactly how this is about to go
@@_Mutt_If they botch a remake of the game that started it all, that’s different. That’ll piss off basically all fans.
@@johnmichinock752 Halo fans have said this every. single. game. since 4. "If this mess it up this time, I'm really seriously not gonna not like it! *Buys $30 skins*"
@@_Mutt_ There’s a difference between 343 screwing up their own game. But going back and remaking the one that started it all? You’ve got to either get it totally right or have everyone turn on you. 343’s already in hot water. If they get this wrong, they’re really gonna see many fans leave the franchise for good. How many excuses and chances are we gonna give them?
If the Halo remake rumor is true; imo a good way to do it would be this.
Mode 1 - The story as presented with original launch
Mode 2 - The expanded story (if they do that)
Gotta say fire team raven gave a cool and fun expansion on the story of halo ce and like if they are doing a halo ce remake then maybe add some of that. Have the origional levels but also expand on them, add new missions and maps or maybe even use the dire base from fire team raven (cant remember its name) as a staging ground for the main missions after Halo and have the fire base as a hub that you can help defend against on coming attacks form the covenant, and later the flood up until the final story mission on the pillar of autumn. Maybe have supply or support missions where you render aid to the marines or heck maybe assist in getting them to pelicans before the last couple of missions which could then end on the same ending except dor day the legendary ending after the whole "all thats left is dust and echoes" scene have a transmission come in from the pelican that's in the book based straight after the origional game which would be a good nod to the old story whilst also somewhat explaning how some marines including Johnson survived to the old fans whilst helping tie together the story's of halo ce to 2 without confusing newer fans and making the mcg an easier experience to follow just that smaller bit.
343 has also struggled to pick an antagonist and stick with it for more than one game
On top of that, I feel like they focus too much on making their characters look cool at the expense of the villains.
I mean, cool. Spartans can tear through covenant troops like their wet toilet paper but then, how do you make a covenant villain threatening? What's the worst one elite or brute can do when you spend a whole game both in gameplay and out doggin' on them like you're a grown man at a kindergarten basketball game
If that made any sense...
exactly like Cortana felt like more of a meaningful Antagonist than Brutes again but their red this time. Like I hate the banished with every fiber of my being bc their just trying to make players keep fighting the aliens time and time again.
@Secret-Side-5 what you dint like ""oooooooh worst than the flood".
Or oooooooh I'm Mr floaty man.
Ooooor oooooooooh I'm the blue floaty woman in your head who having a bad day.
343 clearly has no confidence in any of their narrative ideas.
It's another microcosm of the state of the broader entertainment industry today. Beloved franchises have, for a variety of reasons, been reduced to shambling corpses, kept animated through controversy. The old guard see no replacements. The newcomers don't understand the original appeal. What a mess.
This era is going to be looked at as a dark age in the entire industry, a plague of DEI and mixed with blind corporate greed
@@AbyssalSoda by dei you mean anyone not white working at these places right?
Cause that what literally every person who brings up dei means. Veiled racism.
@@rampagegamingg8434 got any proof of that beside your word?
@@rampagegamingg8434 Is that what they mean? Did you ask them that? Or did you just assume?
No, DEI is just racism, blatant racism disguised as inclusion when it's by definition, exclusion.
@@rampagegamingg8434you’re right and wrong Rampage. DEI is setting goals to hire specific amounts of people from certain races and/or creeds. Meaning that these companies will just pick someone who will meet their quota rather than a competent individual. I don’t care who makes the things I consume, as long as those things are quality. It just so happens that in the US, white people are the majority. At that scale the US is at, it just becomes a numbers game
I’m gonna say something a little unpopular, but it might be met with some agreement from fans. I think that Halo needs to make other spin off games. Make another Halo Wars, make a Halo game focusing on a character(s) that’s not master chief. While simultaneously making the Halo games that do focus on him. They need to branch off. At the same time though at the end of the day, I still contest that the thing that ruined Infinite was it inability to be a finished game on release with everything it needed. With how many games come out nowadays and the options people have at their hands. It’s more important than ever to be ready at lunch and they failed. At the same time, they also shot themselves in the foot by following so many of the things that are hurting online gaming right now. It was a collective disaster… and that is coming from somebody who thinks that Infinite is actually fun to play.
343 should have done this from the beginning, they should have cut their teeth on a self contained Halo game similar to ODST or Reach before taking the reigns of the Master Chief storyline. I blame Microsoft for not allowing this to happen, I think their primary concern following Bungie's departure was to get the Master Chief back onto the front of Doritos packets rather than fostering the long term health of the franchise.
Dude… I’ve had this very same opinion for the longest time, I couldn’t agree more. They need to start using the EXPANSIVE lore, the stuff that we’ve barely seen yet. There’s so many different stories they could tell, so much potential. But instead they’ve been tunnel visioned for so long with the mainline games that it seems as if they’ve forgotten what makes Halo, Halo. It isn’t just the Master Chief, it isn’t just about the Spartans. It’s about every little thing that makes the universe so alluring. So many different plot threads that are already woven into the story, yet they decide to keep making their ‘own stories’. It needs to stop 😔
@@praeamble I mean nothing wrong with the Doritos you know but I hear what you mean lol. But ya Reach and an ODST type game might be needed.
@@nicwalker882 ya exactly, Chief ain’t all it. To me Halo is more interesting when it’s about the unknown. That’s why I like the original games because they were about discovering something that not only chief and all of them didn’t know about but also you the player. Chief is just a catalyst to that stuff cause he’s cool.
In hindsight, this is what should've happened.
14:18 let’s get it straight, MCCs multilayer took around 3 years+ to be functional and playable. The game launched in 2014 and wasn’t playable until the massive 2018 update. Fucking wild.
Actually early 2019. The May update.
Wrong. I played it in 2015/2016 and it was fine. Low population for sure. But it wasn't unplayable like it was in 2014.
It also was not fixed by 343, but a new studio who took over and fixed it.
Then 343, start adding new content.
@@LoremIpsum1919no it was not a low population, the games code literally was why the wait times were long. The team built it poorly.
You are my favorite lore content creator. Doesnt matter what world you cover im in. Halo has always been my favorite story universe but its been so long since i felt like it was being handled well. They need to hire some really good writers for the series and they need to stop treating their fans like we are expendable.
@@ianhoyt3426 I agree.
The issue I see is that 343 wants to keep the old fans in so much they pay for new games, books and other materials but don’t want their opinions or interest in anyway that isn’t superficial. Halo 4 barely feels related to Halo 3 in terms of narrative and art style, 4 doesn’t matter a lot to the story of 5, and Infinite was a bandaid solution because we all finally had enough. Ever since the beginning all they’ve wanted were new fans, it’s why they changed so much so quickly and it barely feels recognizable to pre 343 games and lore.
I have no faith or trust in 343 anymore despite the years of me thinking they were finally getting it right with Infinite. It’s been close to 15 years since they’ve taken the reins and it’s been disaster after disaster ever since without fail. Now hearing Joe was fired from 343 after everything he had already done and did was my breaking point.
If 343 weren’t artificially propped up by Microsoft they would have shut down years ago.
343 is Microsoft, Microsoft is 343. They are one and the same. The moment that 343 fails to deliver, Microsoft will just axe 343 and shelve the series of Halo forever. They will never in good faith give the rights to another studio. This is what corporations do.
@@KylePhantomK94 [C0RTANA Studios]
A man can dream
@@KylePhantomK94 why if they axed 343 would Microsoft not just hand Halo to a different game developer that will actually make them more money?
and if they don’t want to do that, make it open source and give it to the fans.
I believe you have a lot of core fans that would click on anything you make. I’d 100% click on a video of you explaining something as simple as “Flora and Fauna of Janjur Qom” or something like that 🤣
same i watch him, Hidden Xperia, and Mint Blitz. Ill watch anything. i know our fav series is dead and done but
@@ryanrules3827 But you still parrot the "linear bad" propaganda...
I can't wait to have this same conversation in 3-5yrs lol.
My huge problem with 343's tenure over the franchise is their reliance on comics to advance, establish, and conclude storylines in their universe. Now thats not to say that there shouldn't have been any comics at all but i think its import to acknowledge that most people do not engage with cross-media stories. If you start a story in a game then it should be finished within a game. Similarly, if you want to draw on the events of a comic then you need to reference them properly in game and not assume people already know about them. Granted this in part due to 343's fear of their own narative arcs and a poor response to public criticism but its really no excuse for such a shoddy use of mixed media.
Well, you helped calm me down when you showed a better grasp on 343 failures as a developer than most.
Thanks.
I will never stop being bitter about the "linear bad/children on a pizzeria's basement" propaganda tho...
For real, imagine if Star Wars Episode 4 ended on a cliffhanger with the Death Star approaching Yavin-4, and then the next movie starts with the Death Star destroyed, the Empire gone, and some new threat you've never seen before, and you wonder wth happened, only to find out it was all resolved and established in a spinoff comic that maybe like 10-15% of moviegoers might've read.
People who play video games (or watch movies in this example) and people who read comics/novels don't have a lot of crossover.
@@fearlesswee5036 There are definitely some parallels between Halo and Star Wars in recent years. I'm particularly thinking of the gap between episodes 8 and 9 where, because of the polarised reception of the last Jedi (ala Halo 4 or 5 ), the Rise of Skywalker throws out almost every plot point developed in that film in an attempt to course correct, regardless of merit (in particular the whole message that you don't have to be descended from someone special to be a hero).
The most obvious example from the Halo side is certainly Cortana as a villain. Regardless of how much it might cheapen the ending of 4, or feel like a character assassination, there are genuine emotional stakes involved in a story dealing with Chief vs Cortana (or indeed the possibility of Chief hunting Halsey after Spartan Ops) that deserve more than just being swept under the rug.
yeah, simply put external sources shouldn't be mandatory to understand what's going on, lets take the fall of reach book and first strike book as examples, they elaborated on the lore around the games and increased the resolution on vague background story beats while not really overruling the lore in the games, nor were they necessary to understand the lore of the bungie era games
Part of the problem, and this isn't just limited to halo, is we have writers in who have no idea on how to build a expansive world. As someone who absolutely loves digging into a new world with high potential for lore, like halo, Mass effect, Kotor, Fallout....it's been nothing but a drought for the last ten years.
Infinite's campaign just doesn't have any ambition. All the producers know about Halo's story is the fact that Grunts are funny and Master Chief is cool. They have absolutely no clue of how expansive and rich the universe is, they just assume it's supposed to be a spartan story because that's all Halo ever used in its marketing. I love multiplayer, but it has ruined a lot of people's perception of the franchise over the years. 343 doesn't even care enough to make campaign content anymore and it's really sad. But I guess that isn't as profitable as charging money for cosmetics and getting brownie points from competitive players.
The lack of writing quality for many of these franchises is what made me pursue writing in the first place. I kept finding myself going "why didn't they do x, y, and z it is so obvious and easy, but its cool!"
But also in pursuing writing, I'm also realizing that a problem with alot of these writers (and many Halo fans are guilty of this) is that they can't discern the difference between lore, world building, character building, and plot. Halo 4 had plot, character building, and lore, but lacked substantial world building. Halo 5 lacked character building, plot, and lore, but was great for world building. Then Halo Infinite had character building, but lacked lore, plot, and world building.
It is sad to me that Doom, the game praised for having as little story as possible, has better character and worldbuilding, lore, and plot than most other games right now. (and this isn't a knock toward doom, I'm saying everything else should surpass Doom in this category)
@@emperorfridgethedude To be fair, Infinite's campaign did have ambition. But it was all cut because the game needed another 3 years before launching.
@@alienatedpoet1766
I guess so.
This is why I kind of chuckled when he mentioned how 343 needs to go back to Halo's roots and take inspiration from the works that Halo drew inspiration from in the first place, e.g., the Bible and Dante's Inferno. It seems to be the case that most modern writers are extremely poorly read. How can they reference the Bible or Dante's Inferno when they've never read them and won't read them? Many modern writers think they're far more competent than they actually are, and they think they can write masterful works of fiction without standing on the shoulders of any of the giants that came before them. At best, they seek to reference other modern works of fiction that are similarly shallow.
I’ve been a die hard fan of Halo since the glory days. I think the main issue with the franchise has always been one of direction. So many people have their ideas of what Halo should be, managers had their ideas of what it should, and the publisher has their idea of what it should be, and none of them are in sync. I think this rumored remake may be their attempts to get those groups on the same page. If it happens, it could be a good thing. Look what happened with the Resident Evil franchise
Impossible when some people in charges hate Halo and fire their best assets. Their ego is oversized.
@@HuskySansVergogne from what I saw, it seems like some of those bad faith managers have left 343. So we can hope that those who take on those roles will be better for the franchise as a whole.
IDK why ppl are so hopeful, none of the parent companies are making good decisions. Failures all the way down the tree. Even game pass will fail, not because it's a bad idea, just because Microsoft is a failure of a company and all it's children.
@@johnnylaw8168 cope
@@infernaldaedra hope, not cope. I’m not so willing to delude myself that I think this is the outcome. Nearly holding on to hope for a potential positive
Hey 00, could you do a video covering what CE was originally supposed to be, before all the cut content and reworks? Maybe give some light onto what a CE remake should be, if it is faithful to the original intent? I was born a year before CE came out, so i think many "younger" fans would appreciate a deep-dive into what we missed there. Thanks.
I’m sure I’m not alone in the knowledge that I have zero faith that 343 will ever bring Halo back to its original glory. Lore wise and in game. As far as I’m concerned anything past halo 3 is fan-fiction. I have no faith that 343 ever had a vision for halo, they simply were stuck with it, stringing it along with a minimum of effort.
It's all fan fiction.
Halo 3 itself is fan fiction with how God awful the writing is and how they killed off two good characters 0 justifiable reason. As far as i'm concerned halo ended on the halo two cliffhanger And we never got a cannon sequel
Lore for Halo hasn't been bad. It's the games' execution that has been a colossal failure. There's enough books to add to that, but the issue is that 343i never develops and allows the main stories and villains introduced in the games to end in the games.
Halo will never be returned to its golden era for you guys because most of y’all are 30 years or older lol. You guys are clinging on to nostalgia of the past days. The Halo trilogy was fantastic for its time but if those exact games came out now, they would be lambasted for its thin storylines and lack of content in MP. Times change, move on or become a bitter fan of something you used to love.
@@mariobadia4553 At the time I played Halo 3 (circa 2010), I immediately picked up on the fact that a) Bungie were ending the series as a trilogy, so character deaths are expected, and b) Installation 04B could not kill the Flood given the specifications of the Halo Array...unless 100,000 years of R&D made a Halo ring that could actually work against the Flood, and c) Miranda and Jacob Keyes were established as running around with no armour on back in CE and 2. I also viewed the 'To War' line as a little nod to Jacob Keyes never keeping his pistol loaded, possible contemplation of suicide, and inferred from that line that the UNSC forces had been in full on retreat, fleeing from bunker to bunker for months.
I had concerns years ago. Today, I have resignation. The Halo we loved died a quiet death a long time ago, and it's just taken us until now to realize it.
But this is the way things often go in life. Stories do not last forever, no matter how beloved. Maybe someday Halo will be rediscovered and reborn, and the same magic as infatuated us will be experienced by future generations. But for now, I have accepted that the moment has passed. Halo is dead. All we can do is remember it.
If Halo is dead you still seem pretty invested in a corpse.
@@jakespacepiratee3740 Don't kink shame.
@@jakespacepiratee3740Because of all the good times there were before it went sour.
@@bthsr7113 if ‘remeniscing’ is shutting down any potentially positive talk about the new Halo Games then you need to get a less depressing hobby
If true... The murderer's name is akira toriyama, widow of Jeffrey Epstein.
Not like the "antilinear, power level based and mtx-pilled" chimpanzees will ever admit it...
Halo died with Bungie, and Bungie died with Halo. 343 is puppeting a corpse, and Bungie is farming micro transaction hell.
The genuine love, care, lore-caring, and in some cases *edge lords of yesteryear* (lookin' at you GoW's David Jaffe...) video game creators are long gone sadly. At least most of them anyway.
@@gjtrue Those roles have started to be filled by the indy studios out there. The big development studios have become far too bureaucratic in their function for the games to be developed and explored by developers and programers. Failure is just far too costly for them to explore in the ways that created the original Halo series.
343 is the Flood.
@@mistermidnight1823then why do Halo fans keep asking for the Flood in Halo 😂
Both Games right now have Microtransactions lol. Stop pointing fingers. And if Halo is Absolutely dead, you seem pretty desperate in fighting over a Corpse. I wish the old angry ‘fans’ who just hate everything could leave for good and stop being so desperately invested in something that’s apparently dead!
So i made the decision at halo 5 that if the writing and direction goes to the point that i need to walk away from halo the end of the story is halo 4. I like the feeling of the ending for this is like the end of a journey. Chief is back at earth, cortana is dead and so are.most of who he knows but he made it home. The solitary survivor. With one final scar.
That's a good way to look at it. It's also fitting that Halo 4 is the last game in The Master Chief Collection, so when playing MCC, you can see it as the end of Master Chief's story.
@@matthewk4912 ending of spartan ops would be a little frustrating, like the story should continue but it was another plot thread they didnt do anything with anyway.
@@ianhoyt3426 Yeah, Spartan Ops wasn't popular enough so they cancelled the "Season 2" DLC and finished up the storyline with the Escalation comics.
There were big things that happened in Spartan Ops that had huge ramifications for the Halo universe, such as Halsey joining Jul's Covenant remnant and both the UNSC and Jul's faction finding halves of the Janus Key that leads to all Forerunner tech in the galaxy. And 343 just decided to just drop everything. They're like the anti-Kylo Ren, they will never try to finish what has been started.
@@matthewk4912 i honesrly thought it was going to be part of the story line for halo 5 and why the chief went rogue in the first place. I also really loved spartan ops and i wish they continued it. They really cant finish anything they start. How.much do you want to bet the next halo game will be another year in the future and everything has been resolved agaon
@@ianhoyt3426 same. Probably one of the very few to complete Spartan Ops and I liked the idea of the Janus Key and a race to find Forerunner tech/worlds.
The possibilities for Halo 5 could've been amazing.
Instead, like @matthew4912 said, Halo 4 is my end to Master Chiefs story.
That being said, I did enjoy Halo Infinite up until release of S2 and no word of campaign dlc.
Story was dreadful but I liked the trio of Chief, Weapon & Brohammer.
THE GAME RATED T FOR TEEN WAS 20% OF THE ISSUE, THIS USED TO BE A RATED M SERIES
They've dumbed the series down to marvel avengers tier writing, plots and action
That caught my eye as well on the game case so messed up
I have always hated that they made it T instead of M everything does get dumbed down. Destiny started with a T rating and sometimes I feel that game would be even better it was rated M
It was over when 343 took over. With every new release Halo fans get excited again "this time Halo will be back" etc. All the while every game 343 has made or remastered has fucked up at some level or insane levels of incompetence. They can't even make a tv series out of it with so many books games and other material. 343 should be an example on how to NOT run a company. It's absolutely unacceptable, sad and hopeless the state Halo has been in since 343 took over.
Personally i believe the suits rushed ahead too far in the timeline of halo going for increasingly fantastical forerunner shit and Spartans galore which really cheapened a lot of it (you see this in many other franchises controlled by committees).
More time and media should have been devoted to the more gritty military side of halo even pre-UNSC, the Jovian Moon campaigns, the CMA, The Insurrectionists ect, it's always annoyed me, The Great War was fought by countless billions of regular Naval, Army, Marine and air force personnel, probably thousands of epic and tragic last stands, delaying actions, feats of bravery and vengeance, both military and civilian, Navy crew knew that every combat situation was basically a suicide mission and still they fought.
Millions of Army garrison forces died ensuring just one more ship loaded with civilians made it off planet, Marines were everywhere constantly alongside ODST's reinforcing needed areas and the ODST's were going on deep raids and suicide runs before the Spartan III's made their ill fated raid on the Covenant refinery.
And.We.See.None.Of.This.
Give us an entire second playthrough of Halo CE from Arbiter's perspective. Show us the story we were only ever told.
DLC - Johnson's escape...lol
That is extremely creative and something I'd look forward to, however this is 343. They'll come up with the most creative way to ruin the franchise
Actually that's a spinoff I can get behind
@AbyssalSoda What if it wasn't a spinoff, though?
Hear me out here, I've got two ideas of how it could work off the cuff.
First would be to weave the Arbiter's perspective missions into the original campaign from CE. Similar to Halo 2, but this might feel a tad more janky because we never got his side the first time. But that leads to option 2:
Have two separate campaigns, distinct from one another, one being Halo CE and the other being the Arbiter's perspective. That way you could either jump between the two as you saw fit while playing, or it could be something where beating the original campaign unlocks the arbiter's perspective so you can see the whole story from his eyes now.
There are options. It just takes someone actually doing something about them.
How do I put it…… yes and no
It would work in every sense of the way and would be bought by millions but they would lie to us the entire time and we’d pay for a 1/8 of what we were shown and promised. Oh no you’re going to create your own game company and do it differently I hear?? After the start up cost and you get enough employees to make a game in todays age a 1/4 of your staff is just money hungry and don’t say you are because you just put up a few million to get this off the ground; then to make even on your loan for the spot and all you bought ….. year or so goes by all settles down time to make the halo of our dreams /// not so fast you have to buy the rights to halo to use any of their stuff without getting sued by the time you get the rights if you ever do you’ll be so financially screwed you’ll be putting micro transactions on the start menu.
Id love to see it but honestly it’s just a fart in the ocean
We need the gaming industry to invest in creative passion again. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like that's the trend for AAA game developers. I feel like AAA industries all want now is profit, no customer loyalty.
When Final Fantasy XIII released, "fan royalty" (same as dbz supposed value) was outed as the Great Journey-esque lie it was.
Complaining about a sequel's actual shortcomings?
Or better to complain about 90 of gaming with the "linearbad" retardcy?
Open worlds lead to microtransactions, microtransactions lead to gambling, and gambling... leads to failure.
Halo, as your typical _LINEAR_ shooter, got in the crossfire, would've eventually anyway, but dbztards actively went out of - their- its way to attwmpt to kill it.
"linear bad", literally the qanon of gaming...
And 343i does have massive problems: can't follow through on a single arc, botched releases (more of an issue with every anti-FFXIII, pro cancer triger AAA release, but still), and a reliance on the books that even _MatPat_ would be annoyed...
Nah, let's all bitch about sprint when level design no longer exists...
@@JuanLeon-oe6xe That hit like a ton of bricks
@@CaptainDJ_VT Sorry for that, but I'm just tired of people pointing fingers at innocents while screaming "witch, witch!".
I imagine everyone is to some extent
A Most Detailed on the Halberd class destroyers would be most welcome.
EDIT: I see you've already done the Longsword. Something to watch after work.
Uhh, "things have been better since new management came in"? Did I hear that right? Canceled seasons? Increased shop prices? Infinite getting canned entirely? How is that better?
@@Aether-Entropy infinite getting dumped is a step in the right direction, this “live service ten year plan” seasonal battle pass bs that every game is adopting needs to die off like loot boxes did, but yeah how they’re shutting it down is scummy, they’re trying to drain every whale’s wallet while drip feeding the unreleased content they have in backlog.
Some people will go to great lengths to maintain their own Stockholm syndrome.
My brother, I’d watch a video you made on Underwater Basket-weaving if you made it. Loyal to the end. Brighter times are ahead. Stay strong.
The situation has been frustrating for me as a player that discovered Halo with Halo 4. I went back and played through the original games and I fell in love with the franchise, but then with every new game 343 has seemed to fumble in one way or another.
I greatly enjoyed Infinite's campaign, but as you said they weren't able to maintain the support they promised. I have no animosity or anger toward 343, I legitimately believe they are trying their best and think they are capable of getting the ship back on course but the concern is always there.
I would really like to know how much the story writers know about the lore and history of Halo because 343 never seem to use any plot threads that would be interesting for example using Zeta Halo and basically ignoring all of its history
I think that the franchise needs a hiatus before something abitious as a CE remake. They couldn't even satisfy their own audience in this last decade and now they're moving for the rival audience lol. If people already forgot H4 also aimed to expand Halo in this way.
A remake, remaster, rerelease, or reimagining ever being described as "Ambitious" is a complete joke.
We need to stop feeding into this crap and make it clear we want something new, something better.
It's already been three years since we were able to first play Halo Infinite. The hiatus has already been fulfilled.
@@jrgonzalez3845the RE2 remake was definitely ambitious. So was final fantasy 7’s.
But yeah halo will still be an FPS its not like they are gonna make it a VR game…
You know like half life
@@bigdaddynerono it has not, the series needs to go away for like 7 more years
@@RusticRonnie Was 6 years not already enough?? Lmao.
I hope you're still able to thrive with Mass Effect or other Sci Fi lore. I'd for sure like to see your perspective and takes on things like John Ringo's Into the Looking Glass books or Battle Star Galactica.
Great video. I hope whatever they do next is good and helps revive things 🤞
As long as there's money the Chief will be put on life support. The halo universe and lore deserves respect.
Much like Star Wars, Halo has been dead for some time and we are just recently realizing it's approaching funeral time.
Star Wars is definitely not dead and has far far more life in it than HALO.
It's honestly mind-boggling 343 didn't Outsource infinites multi-player to another studio and work on dlc campaigns probs would have been quicker and easier
Thing is 343 has been doing outsourcing almost everything for their entire tenure, with CE anniversary all the way up to Infinite. From Microsoft's end that needs to change and have everything in house in one direction in regards to major titles, have the amount of people where they need to be. Unfortunately that's never happened.
Everything good in Halo post Bungie era has been outsourced lmao.
As long as a redo of Halo fixes the atmospheric storytelling of flood missions, and stops going down the crap route they have been the last couple games, should be ok.......wishful thinking?
343i needs to develop their villains better and allow the protagonist/the player to defeat the villain in a game and not a god dammed book.
The new games had just as much of not more environmental storytelling. And The “crap route” is too vague to even take seriously.
@jakespacepiratee3740 It's the same crap route Stargate SG1 and Stargate Atlantis went down. America good. Aliens bad. Allies are useless. Humans acquire all alien technology. Only the military matters. The usual.
Copium at maximum levels
Us lore junkies have been in despair
I will always support all Halo content creators, regardless if the franchise is doing bad or good. You guys put in hard work for a franchise we collectively love, and I support that 💪
I’ve been saying it for years. The 343 has expanded the lore to be too much. In terms of factions. The covenant/flood with the mystery ancient background of forerunners was the best density of lore.
Thus, I strongly recommend that they wind back the clock to early in the Human Covenant war. We play as a young chief, just having his imperatives totally changed from riot control to Hero of humanity. Newly paired with Cortana, we see the development of their relationship where Cortana learns to tolerate and embrace Chiefs strengths, namely his bold unabashed bravery.we also are confronted with the Covenant in a new way, where they are novel, mysterious, and terrifying in a way they haven’t been.
Then, go to the data. Clearly, Halo 3 was a fan favorite and best selling multiplayer and sandbox/physics, gameplay, emulate that style and simplicity faithfully.
Halo has been asleep since Halo 4. The releases of each Halo game made by 343 have shown there is in fact a market out there in the mainstream gaming space for Halo, but its been fumbled every time by 343's inability to maintain not just a live service modern-gaming model, but post-launch game health.
I would be lying if I said 343 hasn't made ....interesting..... story moments and decisions for Halo. The worst of which is obviously Cortana's story not ending in Halo 4 and the subsequent ramifications of her survival. But, now that we are long from that travesty, I cannot lie and say I do not wish to learn more about The Created uprising. I would love to fight (rebalanced) Prometheans again, piss of Sloan, fuck maybe even fight the Executor(s).
I also would love to see the culmination of Atriox, the Banished, and the Endless. For all it's problems, Halo Infinite presented an incredible opportunity to once again flip the power dynamic of the Halo universe, but it failed to deliver. Still, the potential of the Endless, what they are, what Atriox's plans concerning them are, I just want to know!!!!!
Additionally, the resurgence of The Flood is instantly a draw-in for a horror nerd such as myself. And now we know it's back with 100% certainty, with the additional knowledge that we have now ACTUALLY LOST SPARTANS TO THE FLOOD....
Honestly 343's problem (imo) is not their storytelling. Yes, Halo 5 exists, but Halo 4 has a great story (eat my cock), Halo Wars 2 has a good story, and Halo Infinite has great potential. 343 has been laying down excellent groundwork lore-wise for Halo, and they've proven that there is a desire in the general gaming audience for Halo (look at launch #'s for all their games), so the fact they/Microsoft have continued to fumble it is crazy.
But I will always be here. Waiting for the day.
I'm a Destiny fan afterall, not my first rodeo...
There's never been a group of warriors that could actually fight toe-to-toe with Spartans before without overwhelming numbers. Chimeras are even more upgraded Spartans, and so pose a threat to Human freedom heretofore unrealized. Sure, the aliens ruled with firepower, but the Assemblie(s) are actually equal, and perhaps superior, in fighting prowess!
Additionally, the Created have fractured and now fight for either control of worlds or protection of their inhabitants, so the UNSC can ABSOLUTELY team up with certain Assemblies to fight for freedom and survival!
And when the Flood reemerges, everyone will be fighting to retain the diversity of life. Alliances are inevitable.
Halo is done. I was a die hard fan and I don't pay any attention at all to any articles or news about Halo anymore. At this point I could care less, fuck 343.
Said it in a different video. If 343 decides to remake the series with all that cut content, and expanding the fan base, I'm 100% for. However, I won't be satisfied until Infinite gets a full sequel with a satisfying ending to the story, no reboot crap!
Also, I would point out this is an entirely new leadership team at 343. Leadership is a massive influence in any workplace, especially gaming. Pierre's record speaks for itself.
Also also, yes the series needs a variety of developers. Halo is too big to be only done by a single developer. Hell, does Infinity Ward do the only CODs? Of course not.
Also also also, Installation 00, I will die on this hill and agree. Halo 4 had stumblings, but it's story ideas and themes were great and I loved it!
I always wondered why it was decided that H4 needed to be years after H3. Every game before that was set only weeks apart at most, and if the Dawn was sent to Requiem through the Ark's slipspace navigation by Mendicant Bias, then they would have arrived in days! Destroying Cortana and ruling over Halo seemed to be Guilty Spark's... I mean 343's... only objective.
@Mikel.mystic I personally don't take issue with that delay because it shows that the Chief left his world/galaxy in one state and then after a few years he returns to it being completely different, even his friend is dying. One of the developers had his mother going through dementia at the time of writing the story and he said he wanted to highlight that process of watching a loved one slowly deteriorate and being unable to do anything.
I think it was a good choice because Halo 3 was a massive action heavy game. In the interest of avoiding power creep telling a more human story of the Chief for the first time in the series being unable to win because his opponent (Cortana's rampancy) is not something he can shoot at was great. I will say, and this is coming from someone who likes Halo 5... bringing her back in Halo 5 seriously cheapened the story of Halo 4. 343 should've had some backbone and left her dead as they wrote a beautiful ending to Cortana
Installation00 is best
"We're three years into what's supposed to be a ten year project"... THAT'S A SEVEN YEAR GAP. To kill it on the cusp of a 7 year gap is to mock the thing Bungie had with 7's!! Ugh!!!!!!
My growing question is; when do we as the OG fandom base stop buying into new games that have, as stated in the video, been over all lack luster. When do we as a community speak with one voice, Do right by the franchise as a whole, don't hash it!
Well said
I am not a gamer. However, I have come to love Halo lore through the game movies, animations and audiobooks. Even the soundtrack music sends a shiver down my spine. My first experiences in binging on these stories, are very cherished memories.
As you have so often demonstrated, Installation00, there is no lacking of creativity in interpreting the Halo universe. But embracing that creativity in a productive manner that advances the cannon (and doesn't insult our intelligence) isn't a priority to 343 and Microsoft. There isn't the willingness to invest in the original IDEA of Halo. The TV series, which of course just HAD to have elements of contemporary wokism and made a mockery of the characters, was a failure we all saw coming from a lightyear away. Really? That's the best "they" could do with such a rich tapestry to draw upon?
We the fans and creators like you, Installation00, should be the primary influencers of the future of Halo. We intimately know what does and doesn't work.
Now that Disney and so many other entertainment providers are collapsing, because of being driven solely by woke-identity-politics shareholders, we can only hope they'll finally realize who is actually responsible for their existence.......
......before it's too late and Halo evanesces away in obscurity.
I really appreciate you calling out the Banished for what they are; cheap Covenant recolors. In Halo Wars 2, they were actually a pretty cool faction. But in Infinite, they're incredibly lackluster (except for the new chopper design, I'll admit).
Sadly Halo is just another victim of modern gaming. Destiny is now a disgrace, Call Of Duty since Black Ops 4 has been a monetized hell with lack of content, Battlefield is deader than Kobe Bryant, and Halo is more or less on life support.
Halo is now reaching the same state as Star Wars where there have been more bad entries than good ones, and the era of disappointment and controversy has grown longer than the era when the franchise was successful and popular. 343 should have been dissolved after Halo 5, never mind being allowed to work on more games. They've never produced a critically or commercially successful product. The fact that they've been allowed to try and fail four times now is astonishing.
Perhaps a long form breakdown of 1-3 campaigns and the details of the lore within whats happening as you move through the missions would be a good video series.
I know it’s a small thing, but I want forge for CE and this remake could be a good way of adding that (not that 343 has a good track record with forge) On a wider note: I would love to see a larger selection of multiplayer maps and modes and they should release it all at once, no more drip feeding please.
*343 made Halo is NOT canonical. It's expensive Halo Fan Fiction.* It has deviated, altered, Retconned and hastily re-written Original halo lore FAR too much to properly fit the original narrative themes, timeline, events and character motivations. For the Record I am not denouncing it as "Bad".. but None of their Original work fits. it's a rather gobsmacking "Coda" to the rest of the works.
We're just plain not going to get another proper canonical Halo game if 343 is left to be the adjudicators / arbiters (LOLZ) of the current lore. It's just not possible as they have painted themselves into what should have been an easily avoidable corner.
For me, and for at least one friend, Halo is only the FPS story. I've never even had my Xbox connected to the net. This 'content' thing,.....I've no clue. I just wanted a decent story, and engaging gameplay. Start, have fun within context (i.e. an engaging narrative), finish. Going 'online' to just shoot random psuedo people.....never understood that. Story, investment required. Otherwise, why do I freakin' care?
Halo has no future. It was a lightning in a bottle, the same as the first Xbox.
It was great, we can still enjoy the original games, but there’s no future for this franchise.
My concern with the remake is this:
If they decide to touch anything about the gameplay or story, they could ruin it.
I'm not saying that adding things to an old game is bad, but I have no confidence that any changes they make to CE would be good.
What if they put focus on the Endless? Deemphasize the mysteriousness of the forerunners in CE in favor of lorebuilding?
What if they decide the Pistol is too powerful, or the shotgun has too much range? The CE plasma rifle is my favorite weapon in Halo, what if they change it to be more consistent with the plasma rifles in other games?
The atmosphere and gameplay of CE are the highlights of the series to me, and I just can't see 343i respecting them.
They already failed to respect the atmosphere of CE with CEA...
Halo ended with Reach and ODST, its OVER. And i'm kind of glad. Weirdo identity politics weirdos wanting to subvert halo don't DESERVE this amazing story. I want this IP to stay dead and gone until social politic issues simmer down so we can get some actually good spins on the story again instead of self righteous weirdos with a message to push get their grubby hands on the IP.
Here is my hot take. They wanted the UNSC to be the good guy. They were never the good guy in the old lore it’s just the only option left. Halo also worked because humanity was on the back foot loosing so morality went out the window. They then said the UNSC changed which like is bizarre that the same government that abducted children now says that was bad the same government who used war orphans as super soldiers. NOVA bomb assassinations of civilians who were anti UEG. Like guys you can’t make them Star Trek it’s halo know your setting
343 has done the fans dirty too many times now. As soon as 5 was announced to be a live service, I decided to wait and whaddya know, didn't lose anything by skipping it. Same with Infinite, The story campaigns were free to watch anyway.
This was a great video, I reckon you should "remaster or remake" old halo lore content from your channel.
Get it all sounding crisp because your voice has changed over the years and your set up is better
So like a 5-10 ep series callit Halo Atlas start with the date like "The year is 2552" have seasons
Welcome to Halo Atlas
Games
The alien races
The flood
All that good Sh!t
Honestly I am so lost trying to figure out where halo’s story is going. Back in the day everything seemed to make sense but the new storylines in the post human-covenant war and the created in halo 5 and halo infinite just seem so confusing and I’m having a hard time following and understanding what is going on. There’s things that I really enjoyed about both bungie and 343 halos, but I just can’t wrap my head around the new stories which is a huge bummer…
I have very very little hope that Halo as a whole can be brought back to life. Every one of 343s Halo games have lacked any cohesiveness and almost feel like a different Studios made each game. Time after time again we hear about how toxic and careless the atmosphere is around Halo. It's simply only still around to be a cash cow for MS. For example Bungie would never have green lit the Halo show but it was green lit simply because it could make money. It was severely normalized to appeal to a broader audience but in turn it just turned out to be your run of the mill action show. Infinite was kind of boring and leaves a really bad taste in my mouth how they made empty promises and never came out and told the truth.
To add 343 has now "had" Halo for longer than Bungie now and look at the state its in, there no hope.
After infinite, the last shred of hope I had for Halo was killed with extreme prejudice.
343 is a terrible development studio, they had they got handed the keys to success with a franchise as popular as Halo was.
And somehow they just couldn’t get the door unlocked, or didn’t want the keys in the first place.
Easier for me to believe Halo had a peaceful rest after Reach.
I tried for as long as I could to stave off this mindset growing within me, one that's far from rare amongst the community. But it's become increasingly apparent to me over Infinite's lifecyle that the Halo I knew and loved growing up did in fact die when Bungie left Microsoft. Try as they may - they're just never going to be able to replicate that same lightning in a bottle that the Bungie of old created.
Halo died with Bungie and the last of my faith in 343 and Microsoft officially died with Infinite.
You should've been concerned the moment Halo infinite released. Halo infinite felt like fortnite. Sanitized and childish. Halo infinite was stage 1 cancer. The halo show was Stage 2 and now it's at stage 3.
We have the master chief collection that took them 10 years to fix. We don’t need 343 working on anymore remakes the games look and run as good as they need to. Just give us a co-op campaign game and release that in seasons would be nice but they need to be large seasons and then have a different dev make a new halo multiplayer game.
Every new game these days lacks the passion that developers use to have. That lack of passion leads to a dead end every time. All these big devs care about anymore is revenue, so that naturally leads to a dead story without any true ending...they want it to persist to make more money, but they don't truly care about the longevity of player base. Halo has just died...they gave up on almost everything they planned on doing.
This is the 3rd time CE has been released. 343i has shown that they would much rather cater to esports instead of most players. Sucks to say but Halo will be dead in the next 10 years
Games dead
Also side note, 9:00 - I will intentionally select "do not recommend" on content that is overwhelmingly negative or just hatebait. This short film you made isn't that.
343 has been stumbling, at this point im surprised they havent hust rebooted the franchaise, but modern gaming as a whole is a mess, look around AAA studios are starting to make lower quality games compared to indie games, things need to change
I've still got my old systems, the original versions of each of the Bungie games, and I'm satisfied with that. Nothing 343 has done has made the franchise better, to me.
Sadly this is why i don't give any shit about Halo Infinite... It reminds me of comic industries redlining their old stories to make something "new"
yeah i think 343 are just terrible at story telling now adays i dont know what is wrong with them, but not even involving the flood in the story at all in favor of releasing a brand new species in the Endless, is possibly the dumbest, most criminal thing they have ever done when they have so much easy free lore on a silver platter that they refuse to dig into. They always think they can create something new and make it better than the old but they dont understand thats not good story telling if you just rush through what we love to get to what they wanna do.
“Bringing the franchise to new audiences” doesn’t mean to corporate figures what it means to you and other optimists. Every time we’ve heard that, the IP to which that idea has been applied has suffered. Present day Star Wars and Star Trek do not have anywhere near the status or respect they once had and this sentiment is the core reason.
I stopped being a hardcore halo fan after 4, and i stopped being a fan after 5. I keep a little bit of hope going that its gonna get good again someday, but 343 just can't make it happen, even after working on Halo for longer than Bungie did.
What happened to the hyper realistic armor build? I remember watching something on your helmet.
I agree with Halo needing to be handed to other developers. It's a franchise with simply so much potential to evolve and expand in many other genres.
So, I hear that The Empty Throne and Epitaph are the most recent books in the Halo franchise. Anyone else think that those titles are as ominous for a franchise as Mercy Kill and Crucible, or is it just me?
Halo 3 was the end for me me. The minute the creators aren't involved in a project that they made and it's sent to somebody else the love is not there. The gaming climate is microtransaction city
It would be nice if the series of remakes were just a reboot that just erases all of the 343 nonsense after H3 that wasn't from the halo bible.
Humans being forerunners and the didacts anatomy just being an extremely evolved form of human would be dope.
I agree. Said the same thing an hour ago
So there a big 3 with halo info.frist is hiddenXperia who brings the hype to halo fans. Second is halofollwer who give you all the news and updates and leaks. And finally is installation00 who bring the suave and sophistication deep extensive explanations and narrative guide to understanding how and what may happen with in the future of halo but to calmly explain like a grandfather to the lore of it all.
The Gravemind has taken Luc of HiddenX into its den of rot and turned him into a shadow of his former, optimistic self.
The shame in this is that they had some departments on the right track. But using contractors on making the engine is ultimately why everything was so rushed and scrapped after a few months of support. They need to primarily focus on getting the team right and consistent before pursuing any new engine or lore plan without having to worry about an executive check box of the current market. Easiest way of describing it is confused. And needs a foundation that has actual focus on all levels of development.
I'm really worried they'll leverage the CE remake as the primary vehicle for continuing the Silver timeline. The idea strikes me as both the last thing fans would want, as well as utterly on brand for Microsoft.
I feel like a lot of RUclipsrs see “negative content” as strictly hating the franchise whether it be halo or star wars or whatever. The thing is I’d say the majority of people being “negative” aren’t doing it out of malice they’re simply saying what it is. Like let’s not beat around the bush the franchise is in a mess and has been a mess since halo 4. I want 343 to do good desperately but until then we can’t just pat them on the head and tell them “hey at least you tried” that why we are where we are.
That being said I’m glad to see you finally saying what you are here. Maybe this will be the straw to 343’s back.
Wow nice and early on this one. Late night post for you 00
Regardless halo 1 to 3 is a complete trilogy and nothing can change that 😊
9:34 See this is my problem with…most of the halo youtubers..i won’t name call but i just wish you guys would be more UPSET about the bullshit they’ve done and what we’ve been through as a community…Me i’m just the little guy i can rage in the comments all day nobody cares…BUT YOU GUYS HAVE A PLATFORM AND ARENT USING IT TO PUT HALO IN A POSITION IT NEEDS TO BE IN! If the entire community showed how they really feel about the treatment of halo i feel like Microsoft/343 would notice
like dawg you’re making this video 2 something years after Infinite came out when it was CLEAR something was OFF about Infinite regardless of how much potential it had
Halo has had a bumpy ride. Bungie started well enough. Then the baton was passed to 343. Things for Halo were not looking so good. So, I think concern for future Halo content is sound. I would dearly like to say other wise. It could be we will be reduced to Halo What ifs! Truly, a sad direction for Halo. Thank you for your time on this matter.
We need. To let halo go. . . and die. For a bit, and then you make a game in 5532 as an odst/marine in a city, with the vibes of an unstopable enemy (the covenant), you helping rescue the civilians, the city, go from fallback to fallback point, until you get rescue by spartans, the first time they appear, and save the unsc land forces. and still the situacion gets bad, and you die, or escape just by luck. . .and the end of the game gives you a sour flavor in your mount the flavor of defeat, like the old covenant war was
Can you make more videos of you armor, boots, shoes. 😮😊
343 must be taken out of the picture if Halo is to have a future they're toxic culture and greed is ruining the games
The Halo community is toxic by default.
I'm not gunna lie at this point I'd be happy with an h2a style remake for ce
That's CE:A
I stand with the fact that if halo goes to PS it’ll die
Dude, what are you talking about? Halo’s been dead since Halo 4. There is nothing to be worried about. It’s dead. Where have you been for the past 15 years?
Dead is a realitve term
@@PineApple-vq9xvTrue. It’s relatively dead in creativity and relevance compared to what it was.
You know 00 is serious when he gets out the fancy chair