Hello Rex, thanks for the video. I appreciate that YT seem to not like certain subjects related to reloading but I always enjoy your reloading equipment videos & hope to see more - whether they be hints & tips or reviews of new or old presses etc. Your presentation is about the most pleasant to listen to on YT. Regards Russell
Failure to feed doesn't ALWAYS mean a short stroke in the cycling action. If the spring is still too heavy, it won't allow the slide to pause at the rear, long enough to allow a new round to rise up out of the magazine, and be stripped off the top. But, a lighter spring should fix either issue.
Thanks, I'm trying to branch out from the reloading room a bit. Most of this is old hat to most of my viewers, but I figure there are enough new shooters that might stumble across this to make it worthwhile.
@@RexRoach I say do what ya wish. My son and I belong to the Sacramento Gun Club, and your post(s) have helped us 'loads' with your reloader unit. Yeah, had to.
@@RexRoach Also...if your looking to network, branch out to gain more subs: I suggest, as you may have done, check out Kickok45 (of course), Forgotten Weapons site, Military Arms Channel, Carry Trainer and all the hundreds of other enthusiast. Stop by, say hi...mention your channel, what the heck.....OHH, and don't forget Thunder Ranch site with Clint Smith. If ya haven't, you will get a kick outta his posts, always fun, always loaded with information. God Bless :) United We Stand.
I just contacted Canik, and they sent me a lighter recoil spring free of charge, to use with lighter loads. My TP9 SFx runs GREAT as it is, but I've got a feeling that the lighter spring will control the muzzle even better, plus will help it function with lighter loads, also. Win, win.
You know, I've never tried contacting FN about a lighter spring. I've **heard** they don't support anything except the 17 lb original spring, but it might be worth trying to get through and just see what they say. Good for Canik for working with you.
Thank you sir, good to know glock 17 guide rod and spring will work fine in the fnx45, im recently done shooting a few round of 45super using this fnx the barrel seem can take it, been looking everywhere for the heavier recoil spring for this specific fnx but seem cant find it.. and im still dont know what exactly the stock spring weight are, had emailed them but they reply that they dont have a data for that, maybe because they only want us to only purchase their original parts from them..
Hey there Rex, I know this is an old video but I am having failure to eject issues with my FNX-45T while using subsonic ammo with my Osprey 45 suppressor on it. You mentioned there were 3 different springs in this kit you bought. Where did you pick up this Glock 17 guide rod and spring kit? Did the kit come with all 3 springs or did you buy them all separate? Also did you buy them online and if so could you share the link? Thanks!
Whoa! I don't remember what I had for lunch (it's 1:30 now) and you expect me to remember a few years ago! Actually I do remember. I believe I got the parts from Brownell's, but when I checked them just now, I didn't find what I thought I'd find. Instead, you can get everything you need from Wolff Springs. BE SURE to get the guide rod as you cannot use the springs with the factory FN guide rod/spring combo. You'll get one spring with the rod and you can order a couple more. Stick with parts for the G17 and it will work. I can't remember if I pointed out in the video you will probably have to use a grinder to remove some of the diameter of the rod guide to get it to sit down properly. Trial and error until the rod installs easily and the slide operates back and forth without hesitation. Here's a link: www.gunsprings.com/GLOCK%20®/All%20Models/cID1/mID5/dID116
Probably not since it's a +P load. The pressure will be higher than "normal" and that will provide plenty of head thrust of the case against the breech face. I may be wrong, but recoil impulse of the gun and slide operation are not caused by precisely the same factors. Recoil is a function of the bullet and charge weight, and their velocity. Slide movement is a function of case head pressure (thrust) against the breech face. So the recoil will be lower, but the impulse will be sharper and the slide action should be quite lively. Compare how far the brass is ejected by this load vs. a standard 830 fps 230 gr hard ball load. That would be a good question to post with some of the real experts on the High Road, Brian Enos, or Cast Boolits forums. If I omitted your favorite forum, just ask them as well and please accept my apologies for the oversight
When I add a sound suppressor to my 9mm, I get failure-to-feed or failure-to-eject. For proper feeding and ejection, do I need a heavier recoil spring or a lighter recoil spring?
Suppressors for semi-auto handguns usually have an internal spring system that allows the gun to function normally. If your suppressor doesn't have that, or wasn't designed for handguns, that might be the problem. You should not have to change the recoil spring in the gun. That's my 2¢ worth and it's probably not worth that much.
Paul Molnar I don’t recall, but heavy, slow Bullets have a low impulse and are very comfortable to shoot. It would be an excellent bullet for these reduced loads.
@@RexRoach Does the FN spring/rod assy come apart? if so How? I don't see a way to dissemble the spring and rod assembly. And which Glock 17 generation springs did you get?
It would batter the heck out of your pistol. The slide would slam against the frame part which stops its movement. Something would sooner than later break, most likely the slide would crack. Suffice to say, nothing good would happen. It’s all a balancing act.
@@redjoker8640 I would use the factory spring all the time unless I had a pip-squeak load like this "Geezer" load. FN makes guns for the military, so they're not really concerned with real light loads. They make guns that are 100% reliable with military grade ammo and whatever else happens, just happens. My whole point here was that you can often "customize" a gun to work outside of its original intent (and comfort zone).
@@CosmicDog91 Pretty sure it's the early 1-3 generations. You can get the Wolff springs from Brownells. As I recall, I had to grind down the diameter of the large end of the spring guide rod, the part which goes under the barrel "lug" area. I put the rod in my drill press and used a file and some sandpaper to reduce the diameter. It's a trial and error sort of thing. Not a lot to take off, but creep up on it. You'll probably get good results from 13 lb springs, but YMMV.
Let me quickly add that the grinding was on the replacement rod, NOT THE ORIGINAL. The original can't be used with the new springs as it is permanently fixed for that spring.
@@CosmicDog91 You're welcome. Take your time with the fitting. At some point it will all go together. For whatever reason, I can only assemble the gun with the "new" spring when it is upside down. Obviously not a perfect fit, but it works just fine once together and with light loads only.
Hello Rex, thanks for the video. I appreciate that YT seem to not like certain subjects related to reloading but I always enjoy your reloading equipment videos & hope to see more - whether they be hints & tips or reviews of new or old presses etc. Your presentation is about the most pleasant to listen to on YT. Regards Russell
Thank you, Russell. Greatly appreciated.
This is exactly the video I was looking for. Thanks!
It's always good when that happens.
Failure to feed doesn't ALWAYS mean a short stroke in the cycling action. If the spring is still too heavy, it won't allow the slide to pause at the rear, long enough to allow a new round to rise up out of the magazine, and be stripped off the top. But, a lighter spring should fix either issue.
Spot on, Jamie. It's a balancing act all the way. Thanks for your comment.
Man that looks easy such a flat muzzle seems very pleasant to shoot. 👍🏼
Wonderful post. I really enjoy your work.
Thanks, I'm trying to branch out from the reloading room a bit. Most of this is old hat to most of my viewers, but I figure there are enough new shooters that might stumble across this to make it worthwhile.
@@RexRoach I say do what ya wish. My son and I belong to the Sacramento Gun Club, and your post(s) have helped us 'loads' with your reloader unit. Yeah, had to.
@@RexRoach Also...if your looking to network, branch out to gain more subs: I suggest, as you may have done, check out Kickok45 (of course), Forgotten Weapons site, Military Arms Channel, Carry Trainer and all the hundreds of other enthusiast. Stop by, say hi...mention your channel, what the heck.....OHH, and don't forget Thunder Ranch site with
Clint Smith. If ya haven't, you will get a kick outta his posts, always fun, always loaded with information. God Bless :) United We Stand.
Please make more videos,you are the best
Excellent info.
I just contacted Canik, and they sent me a lighter recoil spring free of charge, to use with lighter loads. My TP9 SFx runs GREAT as it is, but I've got a feeling that the lighter spring will control the muzzle even better, plus will help it function with lighter loads, also. Win, win.
You know, I've never tried contacting FN about a lighter spring. I've **heard** they don't support anything except the 17 lb original spring, but it might be worth trying to get through and just see what they say. Good for Canik for working with you.
I got also my stock tp9 sf elite and keep malfunctioned on lighter loads. What lbs recoil spring did canik sent you perfect for lighter loads?
Always interesting 👍
Very kind. Thanks.
Good info
Thank you sir, good to know glock 17 guide rod and spring will work fine in the fnx45, im recently done shooting a few round of 45super using this fnx the barrel seem can take it, been looking everywhere for the heavier recoil spring for this specific fnx but seem cant find it.. and im still dont know what exactly the stock spring weight are, had emailed them but they reply that they dont have a data for that, maybe because they only want us to only purchase their original parts from them..
Nice
It was poltergeist on that round failure!
Absolutely! I would never blame it on the ammo maker. That would be too close to home.
Wow you are a genios, got some oxigen tank?
Hey there Rex, I know this is an old video but I am having failure to eject issues with my FNX-45T while using subsonic ammo with my Osprey 45 suppressor on it. You mentioned there were 3 different springs in this kit you bought. Where did you pick up this Glock 17 guide rod and spring kit? Did the kit come with all 3 springs or did you buy them all separate? Also did you buy them online and if so could you share the link? Thanks!
Whoa! I don't remember what I had for lunch (it's 1:30 now) and you expect me to remember a few years ago! Actually I do remember. I believe I got the parts from Brownell's, but when I checked them just now, I didn't find what I thought I'd find. Instead, you can get everything you need from Wolff Springs. BE SURE to get the guide rod as you cannot use the springs with the factory FN guide rod/spring combo. You'll get one spring with the rod and you can order a couple more. Stick with parts for the G17 and it will work.
I can't remember if I pointed out in the video you will probably have to use a grinder to remove some of the diameter of the rod guide to get it to sit down properly. Trial and error until the rod installs easily and the slide operates back and forth without hesitation.
Here's a link: www.gunsprings.com/GLOCK%20®/All%20Models/cID1/mID5/dID116
I have an FNX 45t. I just bought underwood extreme defender +p 120gr. Do you think the light round is going to be an issue? I haven't fired it yet.
Probably not since it's a +P load. The pressure will be higher than "normal" and that will provide plenty of head thrust of the case against the breech face. I may be wrong, but recoil impulse of the gun and slide operation are not caused by precisely the same factors. Recoil is a function of the bullet and charge weight, and their velocity. Slide movement is a function of case head pressure (thrust) against the breech face. So the recoil will be lower, but the impulse will be sharper and the slide action should be quite lively. Compare how far the brass is ejected by this load vs. a standard 830 fps 230 gr hard ball load.
That would be a good question to post with some of the real experts on the High Road, Brian Enos, or Cast Boolits forums. If I omitted your favorite forum, just ask them as well and please accept my apologies for the oversight
I found Berrys need a good bell on the mouth of the case otherwise you will get odd shaving and misalignment issues with the round.
That's absolutely correct. In fact, if reloaders will treat any plated bullet just like a cast or swaged bullet, life will be good.
When I add a sound suppressor to my 9mm, I get failure-to-feed or failure-to-eject. For proper feeding and ejection, do I need a heavier recoil spring or a lighter recoil spring?
Suppressors for semi-auto handguns usually have an internal spring system that allows the gun to function normally. If your suppressor doesn't have that, or wasn't designed for handguns, that might be the problem. You should not have to change the recoil spring in the gun. That's my 2¢ worth and it's probably not worth that much.
Hi Rex, good information. But what happens to when you go back to P or +P loads?
You swap back to the original guide rod and spring. It only takes 30 seconds or so.
@@RexRoach did you try firing 230 grain bullets with the lighter spring?
Paul Molnar I don’t recall, but heavy, slow Bullets have a low impulse and are very comfortable to shoot. It would be an excellent bullet for these reduced loads.
@@RexRoach Does the FN spring/rod assy come apart? if so How? I don't see a way to dissemble the spring and rod assembly.
And which Glock 17 generation springs did you get?
Sorry I was just on the Wolf site is the spring kit you ordered 13141 RECOIL CALIBRATION PAK RP for GLOCK 17,20-22,24,34,35 ?
I just got the fnx 45 tactical and iam having to same problem. What exactly did u get to fix it
Something like this should work. www.midwayusa.com/product/2381283064?pid=524796
Only thing I hate about Canik is their dang recoil springs when they are brand new. They are way too heavy
Well you were making dirt fly so I say it’s a succed
What happens if you use heavy load ammo with light recoil spring?
It would batter the heck out of your pistol. The slide would slam against the frame part which stops its movement. Something would sooner than later break, most likely the slide would crack. Suffice to say, nothing good would happen. It’s all a balancing act.
@@RexRoach Does this mean it is best to use light weight spring with light load and heavy weight spring for heavy loads and hot rodded cartridges?
@@redjoker8640 I would use the factory spring all the time unless I had a pip-squeak load like this "Geezer" load. FN makes guns for the military, so they're not really concerned with real light loads. They make guns that are 100% reliable with military grade ammo and whatever else happens, just happens.
My whole point here was that you can often "customize" a gun to work outside of its original intent (and comfort zone).
mine is the same way... looking to buy what you did but don't know what you got.... can you tell me or send me a link to the Glock springs
was it for a Glock gen 1-3 or gen 4-5?
@@CosmicDog91 Pretty sure it's the early 1-3 generations. You can get the Wolff springs from Brownells. As I recall, I had to grind down the diameter of the large end of the spring guide rod, the part which goes under the barrel "lug" area. I put the rod in my drill press and used a file and some sandpaper to reduce the diameter. It's a trial and error sort of thing. Not a lot to take off, but creep up on it. You'll probably get good results from 13 lb springs, but YMMV.
Let me quickly add that the grinding was on the replacement rod, NOT THE ORIGINAL. The original can't be used with the new springs as it is permanently fixed for that spring.
thank you for your fast response, I just ordered the Gen 4 and I think it's bigger so I'll have to send it back
@@CosmicDog91 You're welcome. Take your time with the fitting. At some point it will all go together. For whatever reason, I can only assemble the gun with the "new" spring when it is upside down. Obviously not a perfect fit, but it works just fine once together and with light loads only.
Smh lol