What "defund the police" really means
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2020
- It's not as radical as it sounds.
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Among those protesting police brutality in the US, there is a slogan that’s taken hold: “defund the police.” The key idea is a push to move the billions of dollars we spend on police in the US, to social services and other public spending. The disparities between policing budgets and those of other city agencies are massive. And while defunding the police might sound radical, it’s a policy activists have been talking about for decades. For some, it can mean reforms that simply lessen the police role in society, while for others - the slogan is a call to abolish the system and create something new entirely.
These ideas have all converged into the popular “defund the police” slogan, and the renewed energy around the movement is working.
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NYC budget:
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Chicago budget:
www.chicago.gov/content/dam/c...
On arrest numbers in the US:
www.vera.org/publications/arr...
ACLU report on police in schools:
www.aclu.org/issues/juvenile-...
Body camera research: bwc.thelab.dc.gov/TheLabDC_MP...
Memphis data:
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Refund NASA, give me the ability to leave this planet
Nah give that money to SpaceX because NASA hasn't done anything worth for human exploration of space for the past few decades
This video is a strawman argument. The police are not here to punish, but to protect by enforcing laws.
The police are there to give safety of a person, from someone breaking the law.
The safety of each person is required before homelessness, healthcare or illness.
If the citizens of a society are free to commit crimes, then nothing you have; home, health, etc... matter.
So LAWS are required to protect us from each other, and police enforce those laws.
Get it?
..
I do like the idea of sending appropriate responders to 911 calls, but I got a feeling, a guy thinking about killing himself waving a gun around... will make a mental health expert VERY hesitant to go in and talk to the guy without some police backup.
Reach 3D Printers if they are meant to protect, then they are doing a terrible job
Reach 3D Printers that’s not a reason to give police officers mine resistant vehicles
@@acebalistic1358 Probably overkill in most cities, but there are a few cities where they may be warranted. Perhaps it military surplus at a good price.
I honestly don't know. Ive never known a cruiser to have mine resistant vehicles.... maybe a swat armored transport.
So during a pandemic, when healthcare is very important...NYC cuts 5% of the police 5.9 billion budget while taking out 12% of the healthcare 1.9 billion budget. What?!
5% of 5.9 billion is 250,000,000. 12% of 1.9 billion is 228,000,000. They just took out the same amount of money. Vox will show you facts but not accurately.
@@jasonpearson4485 They should have increased health budgets and at the bare minimum not cut any money from health departments considering the *global pandemic.*
@@jasonpearson4485 how does that make it any better
@@Schmidty1 yeah you are right but the thing is every gov. is facing a revenue crisis thanks to china
although they should have diverted police money to health workers
@@lukakiria527 It doesn't, but it's different.
Didn’t Minneapolis refund their police force after a rise in crime when they defunded it?
Brit here
From what i've heard on the news, yeah... (Not from US)
But seriously defunding your own police force is one of the dumbest idea i've ever seen or heard in my entire life, especially within this hard times
@@TMthe33rd tbh we are living Post slavery.
I doubt most people know what to do
@HuffmanTeamGaming wha-, you know that cops are called to CRIMES right
@HuffmanTeamGaming and parents need to watch they kids better so they turn into gang members that want to wage war against them so they can continue illegal activity, chicago lost more lives than they did in afganistan when the war started
@HuffmanTeamGaming a cop with a tank is something i wanna see
Update:
Minnesota just approved 6.4 million to try and recruit more police officers due to the continuous high rising crimes after they voted to defund them last year.
well well well how the tables have turned lol
More weak target practices for da gangs
Protesters: *Arab ringtone intensifies*
Defunding the police results in more crime? That is so shocking! I wonder what the connection is.
But more freedom for victimless crimes
*"Imagine living in America"*
- person living in America
@Connor Is My Waifu No, you're in America, Canada is in the American continent.
@Drake Petty There's only one, from Canada all the way down to Chile. America.
@Drake Petty Chile is the southernmost country in the continent.
@Drake Petty And Canada is the northernmost.
No, they don't live in America, they survive
"Defund the police means defund the police"
*Ah* *yes* *floor* *is* *made* *out* *of* *floor*
We still need to put it through their thick skulls to understand that though
Lol exactly. I could say “defund healthcare workers” and when I get called out say “what defund really means is to reallocate funds to naturopaths.
Yes defunding someone is going to give you more money for something else... it doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.
@@aplacetobewithmythoughts7428 it's a bad idea if they defund the police then don't let civilians carry ARs
Basesixty Making sure that a racist person doesn’t join the police force doesn’t take more funding,it just takes a system that cares.And fair punishment for cops that are already racist.
Lilcrust Just because a white officer shoots a black suspect does not automatically meant he white officer is racist.
In the Jacob Blake and Rayshard Brooks case 1 was going for a knife to stab the officers the other was shooting a taser they stole from the officer AT the officer.
PS more whites get killed by police than blacks
This did not age well.
How?
Its 2023 and crime is now out of control, and now they're begging for more police.
Well, if you actually look at the statistics instead of getting all emotional over the crime the news loves to cover because it gets a rise out of you for profit, you start to realize that crime in America is actually at an all time low.
Nah, ignore the facts. keep focusing on the 1% of crime the news loves to cover in order to keep you on edge.
Crime is at a historic low in the US right now tho???
@@Schnoz42069those numbers are not accurate because the DOJ dosent require police departments to report crimes to them
@@Schnoz42069 Yeah, true, but right-wing politics don't talk about that.
"Defund the police means defund the police"
- Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
At least she’s honest about it
Leeber Gruber nah, you’re just gonna throw money at a problem
Leeber Gruber Most terrorist attacks are Done by radical right wing people
@Leeber Gruber actually, protesting is an American right. But I agree, some of them are getting out of hand.
Leeber Gruber Black nationalist????????
As a non-american, the idea of having police permanently stationed in schools is bizarre to me
really? even after the many shootings that have happened?
@@luislptigres From my perspective at least, it just feels like, as said at around 4:05, policing is being used to solve problems it was never meant to tackle. And as another non-american, putting police permanently stationed at schools just seems to be avoiding the root of the problem
Because it is strange, the model of policing need to change, Cops in the US seem themselves as the god of the country and in their minds they have the right to do whatever they want when it comes to any situation, only if there was a way to teach the police to be less aggressive on minors and small problems instead of killing ppl for nothing. School shootings can only be stopped when the school is equipped with Police who actually think before doing any further actions!
@@Racko. yeah sure let's have cops armed with guns sit next to little Timmy for art class, that solves everything.
@Luis Selvera
School shootings won’t be solved by more stationed cops. They are solved by making it harder to get guns, better mental health care, and etc. Adding one more police officer in a school is just a misuse of funding. They are not capable of preventing school shootings from happening, the officer would need a miracle to be near the shooter when it starts.
out here in Canada, most criminals surrender when the police arrive instead of resisting so there is little police-related violence. this is mostly because whenever a 911 call goes on regarding a suspect (robbery, housebreaking, stabbing,) instead of 2-4 cops you get a massive response of about 15 cops surrounding 2 suspects.
Here there are many cases where there at upwards of 20 units chasing a single vehicle and they still have the audacity to shoot back :/
This is not true... the RCMP do not have enough resources to support the rural areas that they govern, maybe in places where they have a town or city police this happens... but not in 95% on the rest of the country.
@@robinlutwick664 You're definitely right. I was referring to most urban and suburban areas, not rural areas where crime is either less common or "self-enforced"
"Please stop! Okay thanks. Now please get on the ground and remain silent, eh?"
@@anonymousmobster2444 i love this
Coming back to this years later and just realized how much of defund the police was an extremely reactionary and unthoughtful way to deal with the core issues
Noo really. It’s almost as if you guys think nothing through and just use feeling as a reason.
almost like having no police was a good idea
Why would you expect blacks to have any common sense, intelligence, or forethought?
I’m surprised no one talks about Portland Oregon 🤷🏽♀️
@@18SRTszn Exactly, this guy gets it
It’s almost like it costs more and gets worse results when you don’t address the root causes... homelessness, drug addiction, welfare, healthcare, and education.
You forgot the balance of power within our own system/government
Gawky you forgot racism
Its taken too long for the mainstream to understand this
@@crappymeal mainstream media knows they just don't care unless it has a black person
Lets defund the police! There is an active shooter! Wait there is an active shooter
Sounds like it means defund the police.
Totally.
That is what i read
The far left has come out and very clearly said defund the police means exactly that, not a budget cut.
Bro I know, instead of trying to help police find ways to Desecalate the situations they want to just get rid of them, welp here comes wild west 2
@@lugia2204 Red Dead Redemption 2
The Irony: founders of BLM are getting richer.
They should be getting poorer?
@@gregodena.a3577 Well if you spend it on million dollar mansions instead of fundraising for the own movement... Then..
When I tried to type "defund" my autocorrect correted it to "refund" it seems that my phone is against the defunding of the police
You must have a smartphone
@@Yagh10 haha I agree for once smartphones are being smart
Yep. Real smart phone!
Your phone is a trumptard.
@@winters05 nope
I heard this joke from an old timer.
"The US is ready to protect its Government from any threat"
"Even from American?"
"Especially American"
😂😂
thats how america was born
That's what 2nd amendment is for
@@randomdude9135 And that's a fact
They even signed an act to protect continuation of government in the case of a country-wide breakdown
Wait American's have police in schools? What for??
Have you already forgotten about the rise in school mass shootings in the past few years? I think that might have been a huge contributing factor.
In Hungary they are introducing them now.
@@samazwe Too bad school cops haven't stopped a school shooting huh?
Idk we just did
But if money went towards more public service, we could provide council and mental care for people who could potentially be a school shooter in the future.
No police = Anarchy
It’s not that hard to understand.
A lot of these people are anarchists so it makes sense lol
Did you even watch the full video? She explained that defund the police is about relocating excess funds from police departments to services that need the money and actually stop crime before it happens.
No funds to the police = No reform = people still complain
@@RainEDJ police will still have funding, just not as much as before.
But people want police reform, AND defunding the police. You see how that’s contradictory? Also why would we defund the police anyway? They do so much good.
title: What "defund the police" really means
me: it's pretty self explanatory
It really means abolish the police, which I will not stand for!
@@borisgoykhman5547 Didn't you learn anything from the video? It means allocating resources to other sectors. Meaning, when people are actually looked after, they will be less likely to commit crimes. I live in South Africa, we have some of the highest crime rates in the world. But its because of corruption and the fact that the people are not priority. Poverty, joblessness and more are a result of the government simply not providing, pocketing billions, and have left the infrastructure to rot for decades. Power outages, lack of water and sanitation. I work in law enforcement, and I do not blame people for their actions, I do not treat them like it's them and me but rather we. US police don't seem use their own discretion to handle the situation properly. People want to be treated nice, if your hostile, they will refuse to comply. It's that simple.
I seriously think you need to stop listening to whomever your following, media, politician, Facebook feed or RUclips feed. Think for yourself, observe from all angles not just one.
@@borisgoykhman5547 The ruling class will never allow it
@@borisgoykhman5547 I really hope you never walk into a voting booth
The fact that police need to be in schools to prevent school shootings is nuts to me
Edit: since not everyone seems to understand what I meant by that: It’s the fact that the cops even need to be in schools to protect students in the first place that saddens me.
Their deterrence on school shootings isn't well established. We still have tons of school shootings. I think it's more so that parents feel more comfortable with police watching their children so some guy can't lure them away with candy
theyre also there because
- druggies
- gang stuff
- fights
- when teachers get mad and just really want to make you scared
- when in security to get in they find weapons, drugs, alcohol etc..
- to check security cameras
- more stuff
America every one America
Pretty sure it's not for school shootings. It's more for fights and when students bring in weapons like guns and knives. Prob not needed as much these days but I could see why they would want them when there was a lot of gang activity in the 80s and 90s
@@johnny14980 :o
Hospitals, schools and fire departments have very little money.
American solution : POLICE
Hospitals have very little money? Have you seen their prices???
I hate it here so muchb😓😭😭
Let's be honest, even if they "defund" the police that money isn't going to hospitals, schools or fire departments.
A lot oft smaller Police and Sheriff Departments are underfunded to. Its the City departments who get the most fund usually. It also depends on City tho.
Ray Chadwick well they do need to get the somewhere
They've already tried doing so in Seattle. Spolier alert: it made things only worse
How about gangs and narcotics there? Could you relate to it anyhow (is it a problem there)?
no they didn’t, they voted for it but it never passed
@@beautifulrainbow470 thats a very beautiful rainbow
I also heard they did it in Minnesota. Boy if CA did the same (since its also liberals) then crime rates would be close to Mexico.
They didnt do this in Dallas. Spoiler alert the crime still rose.
03:20 I am a police officer from Germany.
And I think this approach sounds good, but it falls short.
In my 10 years of service I have dealt with 8 cases of mental problems.
In all 8 cases, the subjects were either extremely violent and/or armed and threatened others. In most cases, the person could not be isolated from others.
No psychologist would sit down there and discuss it.
So only the police remain, because they have equipment to intervene in the event of an attack.
Maybe aid the police with those mental health workers
It's pretty simple just put more money to teaching police how to deal with mentally ill people
Polish Prison Guard usually uses a help of Psychologist when they have a problem with a detained person. Police, on the other hand, must take such mentally ill person, to make sure no one gets hurt.
And even though someone is mentally ill doesn't mean he/she's harmless - Stefan W., assasinator of Paweł Adamowicz, is by some specjalists considered as mentally ill.
@@buffasiannerd They already do that. There's a ton of help in prison.
@@buffasiannerd LOL and when this mental health worker gets killed they will still be blaming the police.
Not topic related but I love how she created a “chart” on her table.
@Megaminx I'm a math teacher and the first time I realized laminate desks were dry erase I almost cried I was so excited.
Visually it helps understanding.
@@rayrowley4013 haha lol
Agree. VOX always great in making this kinda stuff.
I’m most intrigued to see how many takes the clip from 7:18 to 7:25 took. It looks like it’s played forward and then in reverse, but I can’t believe that she managed to get the blocks in the right places with such ease as she was just spreading them across the table.
For me as a german it's so confusing how the USA can have this problems but is still seen as the A+ country in the world. They need to start fixing their country!
They were busy sending "freedom & Democracy" to the middle east and forgot their own...
Well unlike Germany, we have freedom of speech
@@nicholite697 We also have freedom of speech in Germany...
Goldrobin (If the statement “contributes to the intellectual battle of opinions on an issue of public concern,” there is a presumption in favor of its admissibility. Untrue facts fall outside the scope of freedom of expression. The Federal Constitutional Court held that) ahem not entirely true on that freedom of speech comment for Germany
@@OrbinHD We don't really have freedom of speech in Germany.
You can get prosecuted for your opinions and your livelihood can be destroyed. Some people can't even have a bank account in Germany and have to go to Hungary to set one up.
Just because one cop did something bad Doesn’t mean all cops are bad
nobody said they are...
@@lilinhh6657 A disconcertingly high amount of people do say that all cops are bad.
@@bluntcabbage6042 and the worst thing is that people base their opinion on police as a whole off of what they see happen in the US, because of recent events with american police it seems like here in the UK every time a police officer arrests someone it's brutality
People don't like the police because they almost always go unpunished when they do a bad thing, whether it's a minor thing or just straight up murdering an innocent civilian, and it's not one cop, it's many of them, they pocket the money that could be used for healthcare, education, housing etc.
@@bluntcabbage6042 Because they are? It's an unjust and racist system.
4:46 Why Would You Defund Health DURING A *PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS?!*
Edit: i created a firestorm in the replies
What exactly can the police do during a pandemic ??? Fight Covid ??? The medical field needs more supplies and resources than a police officer geared up with protective gear for nothing.
Crime doesn't stop just because there's a pandemic and neither does violent crimes. Police still need their gear to protect them from guns and knives
@@blappin9859 yes but why would you denfund HEALTH more than defunding policing during an, i dont know PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS?!
I don't know why they defunded health care, all I know is that police still need their gear
@@blappin9859 But that's not what they we're talking about...
"Defund the police" doesn't mean "defund the police"
So why tf you saying it then
It means the boog is back on the menu
It doesn't mean cut their pay it means better allocation of the funds that are thrown at them. Did you not watch the video?
It obviously cutting budgets on policing. The activists intention is obvious. If it where to increase budget for others, it should be called "fund the others".
Watch the video first THEN make a comment
You're bad at making slogans aren't you?
If a tree is dying you don’t always look to the roots for the problem but that’s where the problem most times starts and has a domino effect on the rest causing more problems
So they can point to the leaves during election time and say look how beautiful and improved the foliage looks!
Politicians dont get the same shine because the roots cant be seen.
Same reason why our infrastructure rots while every politician shows up when they build a new bridge or school or whatever. There is no excitement when filling potholes and replacing pipes and wires.
verry dump choice of words im a horticulturist and we all look at the leaves of trees to see why its dieing not the roots
the government is trying to glue the leaves back, but we should be helping the tree grow
@@sydneyconcerts902 yet you don't know how to spell, understandable.
great more looting... let face it... do whatever you want..
Minneapolis just spent a massive amount of money hiring 200 more police officers and refunding the police
It’s about addressing what is not working. Opinions and platitudes don’t solve problems.
As a former police officer I was not equipped to handle many of the situations that I was thrown in.
Most people have no idea what they are talking about, they are simply reacting to new ideas.
Can I know more about missing equipment?
Thanks for your service ❤
he doesn’t mean he’s literally missing equipment but moreso he wasn’t equipped with the skills needed for that situation.
Thank you for your input as a former officer
Maybe the slogan shouldn't be 'defund the police!' but something like 'redistribute the funds!' or 'redistribute the budget!' I guess it's not as catchy, but idk seems to me to be more clear and concise
Yeah
Hearing that makes me support it now. People don't realize the impact words can have and why we need to choose our words carefully and wisely
@@Risingofthephoenixxx Yeah but defund the police is the "softened" version of abolish the police. Defund the police will have a much more positive response from everyone versus abolish the police; even though the saying doesn't explain what defunding will do, it's still much more agreeable than abolish. Words are extremely critical in communicating and garnering support for an opinion or movement, I agree!
Agreed. Coming from a marketing perspective; if your slogan needs 5 min explanation videos, you should probably rethink your strategy.
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they have police in *schools* in america??
was shocked as well
There’s even a sheriff in my school.
They are nuts over there
@@stevenfoley8487 yes they do clown
We have watchman 😂😂😂😂 he's our best friend our protector 🔥
Hey Vox, any updates on the Defund the Police movement lately?
It’s simple: there’s always been larger budgets in large US cities because violent crime/theft per capita is in some cases, 4x than that of a suburban city.
Mental health is equally as important as physical health, period.
As a psychology student, YES.
mental health, after all, is physical health
@@soojinl10 that's the dumbest thing i've heard this year
same thing as tires, after all, are the car
CanadaNuma1 Can’t drive the car without the tires.
Whether y'all agree with the video or not, I feel like we really should appreciate how these videos help us visual stuff in really simple ways (using blocks on this video)
Ikr
Well, that's maybe because you can't use normal numbers like the average person I guess.
@@terreausore2435 I think you and i have a different perspective on the "average person"
At 5:20 they use the term black to be synonymous with poor people which I would say is racist, yet noone says anything because this is a left-leaning news outlet.
@@koalakangaroo3516 no, she's just listing different types of people in the same situation
Some people are always talking about defunding the police but they aren't the first one who called the police if they need any help
There’s more to getting help than policing you know.
Bro how what do you mean by overpolicing, if someone has drugs they get arrested. Like what do you expect?
They asked everyone’s opinion except those that actually have experience in policing and mental health.
3:51
try watching the video again, this time paying attention
Go to 3:51
pay attention to the video, 3:51
Lol, you're right. They didn't. Its funny, these people think the clip at 3:51 is an interview or something. Hahaha
Imagine living in America 😂.
This comment was made by the Non-American citizen gang.
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Less funds for the police, less police, less law enforcement, more craziness
Far Left Activist: Get rid of racist pig police! We don’t need your help in this fair city of ours!
Police Officer: Suit yourself!
*One Bad Political Move Later*
(Far Left Activist gets beat up and robbed by a gang of thugs.)
Activist: Help, officer! My life is in danger!
Police Officer: No. See if I did that, I’d be helping you, and you very explicitly said that you didn’t need racists pig police in your fair city. You’re on your own.
Perfect Irony: the ad that played before this video was for a re-elect Trump app.
Same
DO NOT CLICK ON IT! It costs the Trump campaign every time you do! So don't click on it!😉
bruh i got it too
Don’t click on it? Great now I want to click on it.
Omg so am not the only one that see it
Totally agree but I wish we all agreed on the phrase “Reform the Police” since that ones less likely to be misinterpreted.
it also makes more sense and is better policy
Agreeed
I agree
Yea. I feel like it would make more sense to blue lives matter people.
Watch the vid...it says we already tried reforms multiple times....the police police themselves...it does not work. They have become too powerful to now be reformed...just like the government is far too corrupt for reform....its too late for all that and we already tried all that many many many times....catch up
I think 'refund the police' would be a more approachable title.
Jocko Willnick (ex Navy Seal) said "the police should spend 20% of their time training" (JRE podcast) and I agree. it is not an easy job, and the police are vastly undertrained, in some cases they get 2-4 hours of training a year.
Joe Rogan is a white supremacist.
@@simongriffith2107 **** blacks
Training for what? Nothing will ever change when dealing with someone trying to stab you or shoot you or fight you. It will always end up the same. People need to tell criminals its not ok to do that to the police. Stop treating criminals like victims. This is what needs to happen.
yea. combination of a poorly trained and highly armed individual results in deaths (suprise)
why have so many of them if it only means you then have to spend for more training. leave it to a seal to reform social issues...
If you want more mental checks for officers, improved training, and countless other programs to reform the police... wouldn’t you need more funding for police specific improvements? Just fruit for thought...
its a mix, you need to reallocate sources... instead of humvees they need to spend on reeducation, psychological support and extra personel... but thing is those psychologists dont lobby quite as good as the arms dealers...
@@MojoBonzo they get the military tools for a great deal which is why they have so much
we don't want those things, those things don't work. evidenced by the stats in the video. what we want is defunding and disbursing of police funds into other social programs that might be better equipped to handle issues/have a good chance of preventing a great majority of the issues at large. (mental health response, homelessness, drug addictions, etc)
For that we would take funds that go to militarization into mental health and stuff
You saw the diagrams with the blocks for NYC and Chicago funds, they gotta use the funds PROPERLY for all the mental health checks and stuff. They dont need more, they need to use it properly and they dont in a lot of places. Whatever they don't use however SHOULD go into better programs.
America's only arguments for it's failures now are "the other side" and "It's not (Insert developing nation here)"
What failure? The "failure" of a police responding after a filed report, to then arrest and render a serial criminal harmless? That's the "failure" that the whole irrational world are screaming about right now. Think about that for a second.
And "communism"
Serenity I’m sorry but the countless innocent people who have been killed by police and they haven’t been charged, what is that? Someone resisting isn’t an excuse to end someone’s life it’s not the polices job to play judge jury and executioner
@Serenity
Not to mention, people seem to think that American police are killing people all the time for no reason.
More like the failure of Democrat run cities who've been in control for decades
This didn’t age well
3:20 So, when someone start a school shooting call a counselor to sit with him and talk, don't call the evil police please.
I think you may be exaggerating a tad
I think its they shouldn't call armed men for noise complaints
Well think of it as if counselors and social workers were better funded, we'd see a lot less school shootings, since now the kids with mental health issues have someone to talk to and won't feel the need to express their anger that way.
@@victoriasalinas725 did you not see what happened to Columbine. The kid filled out a mental health for 3 days before the school shooting. No one helped him
Well have the armed police on school campuses stopped school shooters?
As a cop outside the US, this is really interesting and has helped me frame my understanding of this issue. In the UK the police (as well as many, many other public and community services) have been getting "defunded" for around ten years, and some areas are seeing increased crime, disorder, terrorist incidents and gang-related violence.
I completely support defunding the ridiculous militarisation of police in the US and we would all love to see increased funding for mental health services and community services.
But at 2am when someone is in mental health crisis or when children are at risk, the police are who attend and assist, rightly or wrongly (personally I want to help people, not arrest them, so I enjoy these kinds of calls, but some police do not).
I would argue that quality police funding leads to police being able to recruit the brightest and best, and could improve training that can save lives. I have also seen how understaffing can lead to increased use of force - if there are adequate cops to effect arrest on a violent offender, there is generally less need for an officer to use spray or baton.
But I fear that American culture means that increased funding for US cops won't be used to solve some of these problems.
I would not want to be a police officer in the US.
@James Bond Did you even watch the video? Defunding the police means redistributing those funds to other resources like mental health services, drug addiction professionals or social services; people who are better suited to do some of this work that for some reason is being handed over to the police. No one is saying to get rid of the police all together because that is impossible and they are needed especially for taking care of violent crimes but they never should've had such a huge budget to begin with when we could better use that money to fund other services that will be of better use to the community.
lee haute this took a wrong step somewhere in history that has led the government to believe we needed an army for police
I mean in the US we literally have police departments who will refuse to hire you if your iq is too high. They don’t care about getting the best and brightest. American police become police in order to hurt people.
I know that people outside the country try might think that police is over equipped, which it is. But the police in America has to be more equipped than any other country bc when the police go on a simple job, anybody could have a gun. People in Europe can’t have guns like that. So that puts more fear on an American police than European ones.
Trevor Scott I think that stopped now. I just hope that the next generation of cops will be brighter. It’s just that most people who get cop jobs aren’t necessarily the brightest
3:02 But school nurses don't do anything...
it's just, *ice*
I've had band aid from them too
Very true lol
A school nurse saved my life when I went into anaphylactic shock. Just because you don't have health issues that need special care doesn't mean others don't. What about all the kids with diabetes that have to get insulin shots?
School nurses aren't real nurses
@@JH-kw8zy my brother went into cardiac arrest and the nurse just called 911, she didn't know what to do so she called people that do
Christian Davenp, I noticed you have Dr. Ambedkar's picture on your BG. Thank You Recognising him and acknowledging him in your way.. Thank You from India!! 👍
Now i hope these lunatics see how disastrous defunding the police is.
It's not disastrous, it would lead to a better society overall and end overpolicing over minor issues
@@foop2954 I guess you have not been affected by the crime Yet.
@@foop2954 clearly you live in a fantasy world 😂
"policing was never meant to solve those problems"
No it was meant to stop crime caused by those problems
@@sable.11 a lot of the stuff they respond to aren't crimes and should be handed over to another job
A-Sun Truth So why not allocate more funds to the police so they’ll be more trained to properly respond to a wider range of problems.
@@robertbenitez3647 because they already have enough money to properly train the police but they don't
@@robertbenitez3647 it takes longer to become a barber than it does to become a cop
Call it Re-allocating of Police Funding & Duties.
That is much better ! Defund or abolish the police is just wishful thinking, it's naive to think that the police is a perfect institution, but it's also nuts to think if we spend money on education and counselors no one would commit crimes or no black person would be killed again, this is Earth, not Disneyland.
This, right here. Some European nations have demonstrated what it looks like to have a more properly balanced budget between law enforcement and crisis / mental health / social workers. No one has the formula down perfect, but we definitely lag behind. However, I don’t think there is any foreseeable future where we could do without the police entirely. We are human, and there are many, many of us who will do wrong for gain, without any trauma or marginalization on which to blame.
Yes! Then people won’t be turned off!
They didn't have a problem calling it "defunding education, and planned parenthood"
@@JL-sk8fs FYI the budget reallocation defunds the police. No way the LAPD needs a $150 million dollar yearly increase.
Since the slogan “Defund The Police” is so easily misunderstood, and sounds like the OPPOSITE of what we want it to mean, can we please rectify it and change the wording to “Reallocate Police Funding” or something like that.
defund
verb [ T ] US
UK /ˌdiːˈfʌnd/ US /ˌdiːˈfʌnd/
to stop providing the money to pay for something:
@@jintsfan When you tell a guy on the street that you want to defund the police, they'd assume you want to take away most of a city police department's money. They'd likely compare it to how a department at the office they work at got "defunded" and closed. They might compare it to how public schools that get closed down are officially said to be "defunded".
They'd also probably ask why people did not use a more specific slogan like "more social workers, less riot gear" or "more counseling, less shootings" if that's what they mean.
Exactly! The term was immediately co-opted by the extreme right-wing. These issues are complex and by using rhetoric that can be easily co-opted or misunderstood it served to reinforce "us" versus "them". I would like to see an undoing of the failed police policies, support what is working, and support demilitarized community-based policing where the police are again part of the communities they serve instead of seeing themselves as military. (They should not be policing as an occupying military force. I served in a combat zone and take offense when police are armed in that way for everyday work.) The slogan should be "reform policing" because this is more easily understood in a soundbite - which is the way most people consume information (as fast-food without any research or through misinformation.
I got a receipt from the supermarket this morning, which was partially folded, and I saw
EFUND POLIC
So I opened it up, wondering why my supermarket would print something about defunding the police on my receipt.
(It said "REFUND POLICY" !)
lol this is going on my camera roll
"Defund the police "
Someone start shooting
"Call the police"
apparently many Americans support anarchy.
I look forward at the crime rates at places where the police is defunded
JFO2NDALDY2KSH defunding the police doesn't mean to abolish it. It just means that the police WONT HAVE SUCH A HUGE EGO WHEN HOLDING MILITARY CLASSED WEAPONS. When u call the police for something u want them to defend u but not to escalate the situation even more by bringing so many unnecessary stuff. Defunding them means taking some of the unnecessary amount of money they get and put it into places where its needed more like health care, education, helping the poor etc.
@@larssrensen4353 We already see that with Minneapolis, where city council voted to ABOLISH their police dept. Now they're being sued by residents for lack of police staffing. Great policymaking right there. Interesting to note the worse cases of police abuse happen in Dem-controlled cities.
@@momcomepickmeupimscared930 So...Police reform?
@@momcomepickmeupimscared930 "Military Classed Weapons" An Colt AR 15 is far from being a military rifle
“Those who would trade essential liberty for a small measure of safety deserve neither.”
That’s America.
Isaac Shuman not everyone is you
Isaac Shuman
You “feel” free. But are you?
You only have the rights the officer in front of you allows you to have.
Isaac Shuman
When the government fears the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.
Isaac Shuman
Be honest.
When a cop pulls in behind you as you are driving, do you feel “safer” or do you feel some other emotion.....like “fear”?
@@giordanobruno1333 I feel safe as long as I know I'm doing nothing wrong
1. The proportions looks wrong because mixing federal and local expenses, there are significant federal expenses to heal care and so on. 2. Local mayors shown us what is defund the police - this is less cops and more dead bodies, we know now.
Defund the police is disgusting, that’s why Portland Oregon is so bad now
So, did they literally "defund" the police? And are you paying less taxes?🤔
@@Dixie_Normizliberals will always find someone for your money
"What if it's not as radical as it sounds?"
Doesn't that just mean that it's a bad slogan? If it doesn't communicate its intention effectively, then it does a bad job at being what it's supposed to be.
"Defund the police" makes some radicals cling onto it by implicitly overpromising something to the effect of "defund" = "abolish", and it scares off the majority of people who don't realize that "defund" is closer to "demilitarize" and "deemphasize" in intention.
Just seems like another instance of well-intentioned groups shooting themselves in the foot due to bad messaging.
Ooooor you could research what the slogan means instead of jumping to a counterargument without knowing what it is?
Completely agree. They need a better slogan that communicate the social interactions behind the movement. The slogan just attracts radical resistance
Marshmallow Pie - Their point is that not everyone will. And a large portion of those who won't will immediately be turned off to the movement.
@@Kibaoftheleaves I absolutely agree, but human behavior unfortunately doesn't work like that. The function of a slogan is such that if it requires effort on the part of the person reading the slogan to research it before they can make a judgement on it, then it's a bad slogan. Slogans are all about effective communication.
The only reason I'm able to make the comment I did is because I did research it and I do understand the actual policy proposals associated with it (the vast majority of which I agree with). But if your three word slogan has a gigantic asterisk that radically changes the meaning from what it appears to be at first glance, it reduces the likelihood of implementing those policy proposals, and it means it's a bad slogan.
It’s also because some people do want a total abolishment and then recreation of a new type of law enforcement, sort of like they did in new jersey
Everyone : "US has Police in their Schools ???"
Taiwan, having Soldiers in school : "What's the big deal ?"
Tbh they're only here to look scary and don't even have a Gun, more of a Military Teacher
Traior246 in America, the “police” are just security guards who are pretty friendly tbh (at least in my school, idk about other schools)
Some schools have police officers. They often have detectors on or by them since the area they are located in is known for crime or gang violence. An example of an area you could look at is Brownsville. It’s in Brooklyn and it has a high rate of crime.
Brazil, having some high schools literaly run by the millitary: *so what?*
@@abseph1825 same, I feel safer. I really depends on where u live
school shootings
People: defund the police
Crime rates: *goes up*
People: *surprise Pikachu face*
People: Vote for Pikachu
Crime rate: Goes down
Police: Gotta catch them all
All these peaple want to defund the police but when they need help it’s a different story for them right?
Clearly you didn't watch the video... 7:33
What I’m saying is all these protesters hate the police for killing black peaple but when they need help why should they come
@@andrewc6755 because that's their job? Wait, so you think that when people are protesting for police to be held accountable, the police shouldn't help people?
@@yourwiiddealer4388 actually… police officers don’t have to show up to the call if they don’t want to
We should increase spending in our infrastructure and education. It would help improve opportunities for people, which will lead to less need for this level of policing.
At 5:20 they use the term black to be synonymous with poor people which I would say is racist, yet noone says anything because this is a left-leaning news outlet.
koala kangaroo you need to re listen this sentence and try to think with ur brain please
koala kangaroo putting different things in the same group does not mean they are synonyms
I agree. Spending more on infrastructure and education would be good for us. Education is what can make or break the next generation of a country, and infrastructure signifies a healthy economy and a country that’s being run properly. I’d like to see some high speed rail lines coming in when I’m an old man, ahaha.
@@TheoAhamdach Try again.
I love how Christin Davenport has BR Ambedkar's statue in his room. He was the writer of Indian Constitution and messiah of a lot of people in India.
That guy has made General category people suffer in India. No value for meritocracy. You must be a rich general guy so this doesn't affect you
That was literally the first thing I noticed! These are the icons we’re proud of :)
Who would've thought.
What! I wrote the same ;)
At 5:20 they use the term black to be synonymous with poor people which I would say is racist, yet noone says anything because this is a left-leaning news outlet.
They should have been protesting to re-educate the police because they don't get enough training. And if you compare Norway, Sweden, Germany, and the United States on cases of police brutality (in that order of time training) you'll see that the less training an officer gets, the worse they will do at their job. That is true at any job.
I just wanna see the Prez say, "Ight, we gonna do what you want", and give all cops a week off, and let the activists realize what they're saying...
have you heard of the chaz zone?
@@winters05 she said to abolish them at the end of the vid
@@winters05 I was stating a fact
@@winters05 idc what u think 🤷♂️
@@winters05 no. I used the correct words
Would maybe be a good idea to spend more on police training though, especially in deescalation
There is already plenty I believe, its just a few bad apples that make the whole police force seem bad.
The trainings in most states are just not long enough to even have a chance to be of good quality. The US doesn’t treat policing as the highly skilled job it is, especially when everyone can own a weapon.
@@nils2868 Alright, I dont know but from what I hear they get a lot of training and are good at what they do.
The average length of police training in the US is about 4 months, that’s not nearly enough
@@nils2868 Seems plenty in my opinion seeing as military training takes around half of that.
Well, if that is the case, then "defund" is not the right word for that.
Maybe, "re-channel the budget" should be a better term?
Well you to defund the police to redistribute. I mean it can go either way tbh.
"Defund and Distribute! Defund and Distribute!"; how about this one?
Yes! And this is where the video sort of doesn’t make sense. People who are demanding the defunding of the police might not really know this definition of defunding that Vox is trying to explain. I certainly didn’t know and didn’t come to think of this definition when hearing people chanting “defund the police”. With this being said, I do believe a lot of people protesting literally want to defund the police (give them less money) since they did people wrong, and this video doesn’t acknowledge that part of the story
Yep, the word has immediate negative connotations. This is going to sound weird, but it’s a marketing issue.
They need to come up with a better term that explains in simple terms what they want.
Personally something closer to “Reallocate the Budget” would be better, although it’s more clumsy than “Defund the Police”
I guess they thought 'defund' was sexier in a slogan but it actually damages their cause.
I'm rather surprised BLM started this message because defund/redistribute doesn't really address the institutional racism that lead to the deaths.
If you defund the police who you going to call, Ghost Busters?
Dispatch: 911 what’s your emergency
Victim: there’s someone in my house
Dispatch: ok this call is sponsored by Nike so you can run faster than your attacker
not a joking matter.
America has so much violence.
* Sips morning coffee from here in South Africa*
Haha reading this after someone took my laptop🤐
Eish things this side boet 🤦♂️🤦♂️😂
Collin Andrew Sherriff haha, my farm only gets attacked about twice a month
Yo as a South African, I genuinely feel like the idea of living in South Africa is safer because at least its common knowledge we can't trust the police.
I’m saying we need more police in SA😂. Have you even waited 8 hours for police?
*Also me sipping tea from Central America
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That sounds about right
Correct
WRONG
can we get one more like plz
D: some of use are actually smart
I mostly prefer the police to maintain the funds because if we do maybe Armored criminals can have a advantage on defunded police stations
Sure let's increase already long response times
As a mental health counselor, I feel it's important for me to let everyone know about how TERRIBLE of an idea it is to send mental health counselors to 9-1-1 calls, some of which could easily turn violent (domestic violence for instance).
@Lucy Splendid mental health counselors are not trained, nor are many capable, of defending themselves or others if things get physical... it's an awful idea, period!
Richard Pierce So train them? Your argument is so flawed. Do you want to solve the problem or no?
@link 4448 Um, do you understand what the SWAT team is? It's cops. Regular cops who are also part of the SWAT team when they get called up.
I've got friends in healthcare, social work, and mental health counseling and all of them occasionally involve diffusing a mental health crisis and/or physical confrontations. Just because it's not work you're familiar with or prepared to do doesn't mean other people aren't already doing it or that it cannot be done.
@@KatlyHong There is a difference between arriving on scene for someone experiencing psychosis or a borderline patient in crisis and someone under the influence beating the snot out of their wife... myself and every single one of my immediate colleagues totally disagree with the idea that we should be responding to these types of calls, such as those proposed by the "defund the police" crowd.
Reallocate a portion of budget the police, I guess doesn't have the same ring to it .
This video is a strawman argument. The police are not here to punish, but to protect by enforcing laws.
The police are there to give safety of a person, from someone breaking the law.
The safety of each person is required before homelessness, healthcare or illness.
If the citizens of a society are free to commit crimes, then nothing you have; home, health, etc... matter.
So LAWS are required to protect us from each other, and police enforce those laws.
Get it?
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I do like the idea of sending appropriate responders to 911 calls, but I got a feeling, a guy thinking about killing himself waving a gun around... will make a mental health expert VERY hesitant to go in and talk to the guy without some police backup.
Reach 3D Printers but that’s the thing they don’t do that. And the police is heavily militarized they are no longer there to solve violence in many cases they instigate it.
@@Reach3DPrinters that's the idea but the execution is completely unacceptable. Hence why qualified immunity needs to go asap.
@@niematansolamenteazucaralg2259 I think the situations that they escalate are rare in comparison to the ones where they protect someone.
I would wager that 50% of the calls made are for domestic assault cases. I could be wrong, but I've listened to a police band in the past, and a LOT was domestic violence.
@@Reach3DPrinters I feel like you didn't understand a bit about this video where they explained how police haven't effected crime and are not upholding the law they are taking the law into thier own hands and doing what a judge normally would be only allowed to do
Wait so arresting people for illegal drugs, is now "Over policing"......What?
Everyone is going to be crying for them to come back when the crime rate goes up because there's no one to enforce the law.
I say punish the individual police officer for his crime ,defunding the police is not the solution
@@Gambetdz fr, I think the individual police officer should be removed from the force
0:20 i live in a city right outside of DC, and the main reason this was implemented was bc the mayor decided to increase the police budget by $19 mil, so though the mayor did something good, she was totally contradicting herself at the same time and people were mad
At 5:20 they use the term black to be synonymous with poor people which I would say is racist, yet noone says anything because this is a left-leaning news outlet.
@@koalakangaroo3516 no they don't, they are listing the various groups that face police brutality and overpolicing
DC has a $500 million budget surplus in 2019. $19 million is just a small portion of that. Our city still has a lot of violent crime and my understanding is that the DC police department has started to focus on that. Overall, I would say the DC police department is very good. The same cannot be said everywhere else unfortunately.
@@jogennotsuki So does that mean that poverty is racist? Got it.
I hate when people say “oh we have crime we can’t defund the police” but literally if we invested money into things like mental health, education, etc there wouldn’t be as much crime. A lot of crime occurs in poorer places where people don’t have access to adequate education or healthcare so if we had free college it would give the chance for a lot of these poorer people to pull themselves out of poverty which will than result in less crime
Canada has a lot of social programs and 1/5th the homocide rate. Still need cops that are well funded, well trained. Yes, social programs need more funding, but don't steal it away from law enforcement. Raise taxes and fund those badly needed social programs.
What’s going to stop crime then?
@@Paulafan5 Buddy did u not hear the dude say that more police funding is questionable to the crime rate being influenced, police literally have so much funding it's unnecessary.
@@Paulafan5 Did u like not watch the entire video, you don't need to increase taxes, because all that tax money is going to police who obviously shouldn't be hoarding it all.
It might work in the long term but in the short term you can expect some booming of crime. Also, I know that France is not the same to the USA but I will still point out that some suburbs of Paris benefit of huge investments in education, infrastructure and social programs and yet the criminality remains high there. Anyways, one of main factor of criminality we tend to forget is inequalities. If people don't find a legal way to gain status, they will engage in illegal activities (especially men).
Medical speak here "Police don't cure the sickness, they treat the symptoms."
I thought they just arrest those who speak out against them
2 years later, how'd that turn out?
I would like too see how does the revenue police "generates" by fining people affect the big numbers provided over here.
Looking into for-profit prisons would surely provide some clarity as well.
Making cops pay for their own mess, would have erased $230 million in settlement fees from the 2018 New York city budget.
@Mrs. Arthur Morgan not that they all get quotas but in some states are rewarded bonuses for handing out the most
@Mrs. Arthur Morgan there's also an interview with a former Ferguson police officer who said the same thing
They're mafia with a badge.
End for profit policing /siezers
Require third party oversight to investigate complaints
We have special police forces for gangs, narcotics, and homicide. Why not for mental health? Being sick is not a crime.
Being sick isn’t a crime but if your breaking a law (no matter if your sick or not) it’s still a crime.
AshLasti also you just answered your own question. Police have task forces of those stuff because it is a crime. You just said being sick isn’t a crime so police shouldn’t deal with it.
Jack Quillen ash lasti is saying that they are giving to much money to the police and not to health and other things like education and transportation
They have closed mental hospitals to save on cost. If they create a new police unit to serve people with mental health, that would create new cost to fund them, which defeats the original purpose of closing down the mental hospitals.
They do called crisis intervention officers that are trained for dealing with with metal health issues or mental crises.
POV:You searched "defund the police" only to see what people think about it in the comments.
Do you have cameras in my house😃
Defund all social programs.
this has absolutely 0 track record of success
I am in favor of re-assessing the budget given to the police in relation to others like healthcare, housing, etc., but to totally abolish the police? No!
@David Clinging Yes, but some, more radical people have started using the term "abolish the police". I've actually had to correct people who use the terms "defund" and "abolish" interchangeably. They are both completely different things. And this video only examines "defunding" not abolishing. And as the video states, defunding is a lot less radical than many people believe. In fact, it's nowhere even near as radical as abolishing.
It means....
Defund the police...
If you want to say, “reform police”,
say reform police.
Well, the Reform is based on the defunding.
Cube_25 I don’t know how defunding the police will make them better, that would be defunding training programs and would make cops less confident about controlling their suspects therefore more likely to use a gun.
@@arian4562 the defunding also Takes a Lot of the cases away from them that they should Not handle. The Police still needs Handguns and submachineguns for Special cases, but they dont need all this for a Traffic Stop. Its Not about the Training, its about taking the Military Equipment away. The Police right now Looks like an occupying Army inside the US. That is Not what the Police is supposed to do. End the war in Drugs and instead of drugbusting everyone send Them into rehab. Invest in schools so Kids dont resolve to crime in the First place. As you saw in the Video, violent arrests are very uncommon, and for that is the Handgun and taser. The Police still needs Money, but they are apperantly not responsible in spending it properly.
@@arian4562 actually the NYPD did a month strike and crime went down 40%
@@arian4562 using a gun on non violent crime is horrendous and we the rest of the world are watching confused asf how someone so untrained can just have a gun they shouldn't even be given one after just 6 months of training defunding them won't do that because they have excess equipment
It means more violent crime.
I am all for redistributing funding for the police to other programs, but I'm not sure about entirely abolishing the police.
Defund the police has been a disaster in the cities that did it.
Look at the Forest Service; Law Enforcement, Fire Department, HAZMAT, etc. All Park Rangers are trained under this, but I am always happy to be corrected.
What happens when people with mental health problems have a gun are you going to send someone to listen to them
Same thing when you send a school officer. Nothing. As seen at stone Douglas, school police don't stop the same thing they are there to protect against. Same is happening with the main police force.
@@skylerricketts7392 there's plenty of cases where the police do prevent shootings from occurring ahead of time, they just don't lead to headlines because nothing happens.
Justin Time what this guy said ^
Skyler Ricketts there have been several cases where campus officers have found and stopped students with loaded weapons before a tragedy happened.
Machewdude 820 so what you are saying is that there are SOME instances where there was no need for a firearm but there still thousands of cases in where an officer would need a firearm
“The renewed energy around the movement is working”
Unsurprisingly, it doesn’t seem to be working in favor of anyone.
As someone living in Denver, you're wrong.
Axel Gust
How’s the crime rate in Denver?
I mean, narcotics and gangs are problem in USA, right?
Well, without institution specially trained to infiltrate it, it's impossible to fight it.
Should just let the cities who want it gone vote on it. If they choose to remove police, let them. Sometimes you have to let people learn the hard way.
Precisely... Thankyou for giving me the opportunity to use my favourite word.
We need more cops..... more thugs jailed........