These Discmania Discs are the Most Surprising FLOPS of 2024

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  • Опубликовано: 12 дек 2024

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  • @ArmoryDiscGolf
    @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад +3

    I oh forgot to ask- do y'all think this Solar Flare is orange enough? It's got a lot of pink but it DOES look orange when it's sitting in the bag...

  • @jmillydg
    @jmillydg 7 дней назад +11

    Can confirm that the Gravity Bomb is a GREAT disc.

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад

      'cause ur huge

    • @cnspr_
      @cnspr_ 6 дней назад

      I’ve been really liking mine, but it did come with a nasty bit of flashing that I had to sand down.

  • @NickCarroll
    @NickCarroll 7 дней назад +1

    Hey Nick, I love the new scorecard you have going on there. Very stylish and visible. You're making me want to switch out my minimalist interface. 😁

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад +1

      appreciate it! I'll probably continue to tinker with it, I go back and forth with minimal and more heavily edited stuff myself

    • @NickCarroll
      @NickCarroll 7 дней назад

      @@ArmoryDiscGolf well you've convinced me that there's value to attractive minimalism. It has to be done right, and I think what you have here is really, really good to start. I went for, literally the Roboto font, as close to what Google uses for RUclips, so it can be out of the way. But an attractive design has it's own benefits!

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад +1

      @@NickCarroll I really appreciate that. Funny you mention it because Roboto is one of our 2 main fonts and I've never even noticed that it's the YT default haha

    • @NickCarroll
      @NickCarroll 7 дней назад

      @@ArmoryDiscGolf Yeah it's a good looking font that's very clear even if it's small. I can see why they went with it. Or maybe they created it in the first place.

  • @Jtrain039
    @Jtrain039 7 дней назад +2

    Gravity Bomb plastic color blends look great! But myself and other players have probably wised up and have a realistic expectation in what they can actually throw well. If they released something like the DD in that plastic, I think it would move better. Or better yet, do a run of the MD1 in that plastic and reinvent the Mind Bender!

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад

      the colors look and the plastic feels great, I would love something like this in one of those molds

    • @teemuojaniitty9864
      @teemuojaniitty9864 7 дней назад

      They did exactly that with the new mystery box.

  • @billcoulter1984
    @billcoulter1984 7 дней назад +2

    I buy discs based on how they perform, I pay way more attention to reviews I see on RUclips than I do to the players name on the disc. I have 2 star destroyers for my stable to overstable slot. A 168 g for most headwind drives, A max weight for really high wind.

  • @neverlayup
    @neverlayup 5 дней назад

    Thing is about the solar flare, how many do people need of that type of disc. A lot of people might get the same type of flight out of a zone type, or mid or fairway. And if you get them in a premium plastic and beat them in, they will still likely remain stable enough for most ams. I think the discs I buy the most are neutral mids and stable fairways. 6:23 lol and there it is. I haven't been buying any disc for like 6 months mostly because I sold my house in Canada and I am moving to Paraguay.
    6:48 I do really like the innova Invictus. I got a used one a few years ago and now I have around 6. But for me, a resistor or a volt fly pretty similar. I do think that I have more confidence with my Invictus. I like that the invictus/pd has more dome.

  • @connorstevenson6730
    @connorstevenson6730 7 дней назад +4

    I'm not sure how many other feel this way, but it's hard to want to support what House of Discs is doing right now. The p2x may be popular, but I think that's more about Gannon than discmania

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад

      I do feel like some of the "soul" of these companies has been lost, if that makes sense. Discmania and Kastaplast in particular don't get me excited the same way they used to

    • @michaeldirnberger2422
      @michaeldirnberger2422 5 дней назад

      House of discs is a venture capitalist group that united the various companies to work together to protect disc golf market space. It has very little to do with the specifics of how the companies are run or blending plastics or producing molds. Saying you can’t get behind one of the house of discs companies is like saying you can’t drink out of soda fountains because they’re all owned by Coca Cola and therefore taste the same.

  • @nomad182
    @nomad182 7 дней назад +1

    I'm definitely outside of your customer base, so maybe my perspective would be interesting. I try to buy local, I'm lucky enough to have a local 9 and a local game store I've known for years pick up Innova and MVP, so that's where I try to spend most of my money DG-wise. Content creators as opposed to pros have been more successful in getting me to spend money outside of the local store when they have companies my shop doesn't offer, and they're usually offering discs I can actually throw. For example, I've purchased Bodanza's Sphinx, some of Broderic's discs, and (though he's a pro, puts out content) Bradley William's "Baby Destroyer", 159g Halo Destroyers that I can get actually get out across 300.
    I understand that Calvin's Destroyers and Gavin's PD2 reflect what they actually throw, and they may be tailored to their specifications, but I'm then surprised that they don't (more frequently) also double up on a disc "for the people" to advertise and try to pick up sales. Gannon's P2x, Barsby's Roadrunners, Simon's Lizottl Hexes, Philo and Bradley's Destroyers "for the people" and so on. Enthusiasts and experienced golfers may very well want the beef, and you probably have an enthusiast base buying from your storefront, but like you said, your Firebirds and PD2s still aren't flying off the shelf. I think and hope that James Conrad is in the absolute perfect spot having the Envy, Detour, and Trail all associated with him, which are all in my noodle-arm bag.
    All of that to say, pros should have more social media sense (see: Buhr, Harris, Lizotte, Gibson, White) and disc sense for their releases.

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад +1

      Supporting local is great! I think the Conrad line is the best overall in the game (compared to Simon, McBeth, etc). I know that "amateur" discs sell better in general, but in the past the Sky Rider PD2 and Doom Bird FD3 were verrry popular. Obviously Alden and Gavin aren't Simon, but I thought there would be some carry over interest in those molds for that reason

  • @peterthallen8270
    @peterthallen8270 7 дней назад +1

    Solar Flare seems to have sold quite well , most colors i Horizon sold out fairly fast on Euro store and have been restocked. Both discs are good but they are beef, and a beefy 12-speed such Gravity bomb dont tend to sell out that fast.

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад

      I think the big surprise for me w/ the Gravity Bomb was that it was the first C Line PD2 from the Originals line so I expected people to get excited about that. And to your point the Solar Flare DID sell better for us as well

  • @teemuojaniitty9864
    @teemuojaniitty9864 7 дней назад

    I backhand Destroyers 470" but with new Swedish S-line PD2 I barely reach 300". I have old Innova made S-line PD2 which is softer and grippier than normal. They are perfect compliment to Halo Destroyers.

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад

      well I'm glad I'm not alone, there were some of these throws that I was shocked at how far the disc didn't go haha

  • @prattacaster
    @prattacaster 7 дней назад

    I will throw an Enforcer in the bag if it's windy and I'm going to a certain course locally. I always have my custom stamped Felon in the bag, I'd have no problem bagging the FD3, looks great!

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад

      Yeah I would only throw this PD2 once every few rounds, but when you NEED it, it's really nice to have those slots

  • @billcoulter1984
    @billcoulter1984 7 дней назад

    I love your videos, wish there were more of them😉

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад +1

      Had another baby, I'm getting back to it though!

    • @billcoulter1984
      @billcoulter1984 7 дней назад

      @@ArmoryDiscGolf congrats! Family always comes first!

  • @marklethemagic
    @marklethemagic 7 дней назад

    Interesting analysis, but I do think it makes sense. We all know there is a rightsizing decline from the sales during covid. I think a lot of the covid disc golfers, like myself, bought these overstable slots early, since we were influenced by pros in the bags. As I have gotten better, I've been trying to throw with more finesse, and rely less on just hacking over an overstable disc to mask over bad form - less flex shots and more hyzer flips. I used to bag a force/pd2 but don't anymore, I bag a more stable version of the distance driver I'm throwing, such as a TI Zeus, or an overstable cloudbreaker/dd3. For the overstable 9 speed, it's generally a Raptor/FD3/Draco - I'm also not losing or needing to replace them. I tend to lose straighter/flippier distance drivers that can turn in the wind and get carried away more than any of these utility overstable discs.

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад +1

      That's an interesting point, because thinking back through my bag I also think that I lose a lot more of my neutral to understable stuff. Which makes 100% sense. The OS stuff mainly gets cycled when it becomes not OS, whereas the US stuff just gets lost haha

  • @21sabiandrummer67
    @21sabiandrummer67 4 дня назад

    I already aced w my gravity bomb haters just gotta work on their skip shot game....

  • @TheStrangerlol
    @TheStrangerlol 7 дней назад

    My fast OS stuff is 9/10 speed, everything above that I throw more understable stuff. I have a 5th anniversary legacy enemy that I use for my firebird slot, with old glow FD3s as backups from a similar feeling run. And funny enough my most bought disc from your store is Bobcats lol. I bought a what I presume was dyed (Was silver but has purple/blue flight plate) that I bought years ago, and the recent glow run I picked one up.

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад +1

      First off, appreciate you 👊
      I hear good things about Legacy from just about everyone I know that throws their stuff, but I also only bump into those people 3-4 times a year it seems 😅

    • @TheStrangerlol
      @TheStrangerlol 7 дней назад

      Yea I don't throw a ton of legacy, honestly picked it up originally because it was akin to old Sexton birds and I didn't wanna foot the bill of buying an old bird lol. I haven't met a single person that throws legacy around me, but for some reason I still see used legacy discs at the PIAS around the area so they gotta be out there. Have a good holidays man and keep on keeping on.

  • @derrickwhite2950
    @derrickwhite2950 7 дней назад

    I bag a Draco in the firebird slot but honestly I never throw it. I have one for the one time it’s too windy for something else. The distance I can throw it is the same as a nice stable buzzz which I feel more comfortable throwing when there is any line to hit.

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад

      Do you look for stable Buzzzes or did you happen across one? I've only ever thrown 3-4 (somehow), but they've all been very neutral

    • @derrickwhite2950
      @derrickwhite2950 7 дней назад

      @ArmoryDiscGolf I think a z buzzz is best. Sure it won’t be dumpy but it will get left.

    • @derrickwhite2950
      @derrickwhite2950 7 дней назад

      I think the 20 year buzzz and Halloween this year are the best feeling plastics and are much straighter than a brand new z buzzz which

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад

      @@derrickwhite2950 I have a 20 year Buzzz and they're arrows. Great disc, sitting just behind the Hex for making the bag rn

  • @milesshore9402
    @milesshore9402 7 дней назад

    Instead of the gravity bomb for the over-stable high speed driver I tend to use a pretty much new royal rive and its done me wonders.

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад

      I enjoy the Rive fresh off the shelves but they quickly beat in to have a bit of turn in my experience. That was the distance driver I cycled most of this year

    • @teemuojaniitty9864
      @teemuojaniitty9864 7 дней назад

      My stepbro has 3 Rives. I can tell from experience. Rive beats in fast

  • @JinGalactica
    @JinGalactica 4 дня назад

    To your point about the lack of sale, and much as I won't want to disrespect both of them (as obvious as it sounds) - Alden and Gavin aren't as popular as Simon and Eagle when they were on Discmania. I LOVE the Solar Flare don't get me wrong. Have yet to throw the PD2, but its very similar to when you go out and purchase basketball shoes. Do you wan't Michael Jordan's/LeBron's? Or Kyle Kuzma's? It's business, and its a hard pill to swallow when discs aren't able to fly off the shelves.

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  4 дня назад

      I agree. And while I like the concept of "Gravity Bomb" and "Solar Flare", I find it odd that the broke from "Sky Rider" and "Doom Bird" even though Gannon kept "Cloud Breaker" for the DD3. Seems like they could have rode those coattails a bit for the sake of sales

  • @jakemiller270
    @jakemiller270 7 дней назад +1

    I have enough felons and rives seasoned to different levels that those slots are filled for the next 5 years. I see no reason to buy new molds until my stack of those is gone.

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад

      Haha I got that way with my Wraiths. Rives beat in too quick for me to keep a stack for very long though

  • @Cabe71
    @Cabe71 7 дней назад +1

    personally this year has been terrible for my dye sales, so I haven't had dollars to vote with. the hyperinflation of the past several years has taken a toll with two kids to feed and I just haven't been able to get more than 6 new discs all year. when it comes to making choices, I'm almost never going to pick something that is insanely beefy. beefy discs are easy to come by, ones that fly well for most AMs are not.

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад

      Yeah that all checks out. I'd love to spend less on groceries and more on discs haha

  • @clawshooter5867
    @clawshooter5867 7 дней назад +1

    Gavin and crew could win every tournament next year, and still couldn't out sell just one of the O.G. crush boys disc

  • @weedmanbrandon
    @weedmanbrandon 7 дней назад

    I definitely wanted to buy both these on release but i need to be more wise with money these days things are getting expensive especially food ya know 😅

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад

      I just added my 4th kiddo to the mix, I definitely do know haha

  • @ericjepson3765
    @ericjepson3765 7 дней назад

    Ive been playing discgolf for 18 years and ive never met a single person that throws Discmania.

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад

      That's wild... you mean like exclusively or at all? It's consistently been one of the most popular brands over the past decade or so

    • @ericjepson3765
      @ericjepson3765 6 дней назад

      @ArmoryDiscGolf
      Not once ever. I found a Discmania knock off Destroyer once (whatever unimaginative number and letter combo that is) and my buddy threw it once, so I guess I've seen one fly, but that's it...

  • @serenityinsilence
    @serenityinsilence 7 дней назад

    I have a hard time justifying the high prices for discmania plastic, when the market is so saturated with great discs. Once the economy recovers, I might drop some extra money per disc 😂

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад

      tbf Discmania is consistently a few bucks more expensive than other companies. Which is dumb because HoD controls them all

  • @lostfull5796
    @lostfull5796 7 дней назад

    Discmania’s signature discs are really starting to creep into “I could buy 3 f2 innova discs for this price” territory. Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to go crazy for them especially since the whole lineup is essentially overstable which isn’t great for people with low arm speeds

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад

      1) I think you're right about the OS thing, I'm interested to see Discmania move things like the Essence and Origin into their Originals lineup because I think they'll get more attention there
      2) tbf idk if it's because I've been playing so long or what but I typically prefer spending $25 on a disc I really like and really want to $25 on 2 that are just ok. IF I really enjoy the aesthetic appeal of them, that is. I'm obviously a pretty particular when it comes to my bag aesthetics though haha

    • @lostfull5796
      @lostfull5796 7 дней назад

      @ for sure. Nothing wrong with a pretty bag but we pretty much just have woods golf here so some discs aren’t long for this world lol. Also as sales slow down and manufacturers raise prices to compensate, I’m not sure how I see this correcting itself unless a huge wave of interest is injected into the market like 2020. the committed fans will keep buying discs but is that enough? Idk

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад

      I think we're about to start seeing lower level pros lose their sponsorships. We've seen it a lot regionally, it'll probably work itself up for a while

  • @dustinsanford6045
    @dustinsanford6045 7 дней назад +1

    Pd2 is mine...

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад +2

      Yeah have at it haha. Feels great and looks cool. Is beef.

    • @KevinJames90
      @KevinJames90 7 дней назад

      I love the FD1, but for the FD3 slot I have Raptors just because I like the feel more. The PD2 is just too overstable for my armspeed, I use a DD3 which does the job for me as far as overstability and a Wild Honey for a more neutral to flippy option.

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад +1

      @@KevinJames90 I just don't jive with most of Discraft's plastic. The Solar Flare was great but I'm in no rush to move on from the good ol' Firebird

  • @lorenbarnhurst
    @lorenbarnhurst 7 дней назад

    What was that Isaac to Innova comment about? Speculation? Did I miss something big?!

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад +1

      It's speculation. I'd love to see him throwing TL3s though 👀

  • @POFFINGTON1508
    @POFFINGTON1508 7 дней назад +1

    I personally have disliked Discmania's graphic design and color choices for a while now. No shade just not my thing. I think people that have stuck around the sport by now have color choices and combos they prefer. For me if I can get a White disc with Holo Foil and just a bartamp with the players name under it....Id buy 10. Design is really big for me when purchasing, I know the teams work hard to come up with new refreshing stuff, but simplicity is sometimes better. Aldens Ring of Thrones stamp (prodigy) was SIIIIIIIIIIICK....im not even religious and I wanted multiple. Color theory is a thing...even if people don't know it, they subconsciously dislike wrong combos. Also sweden price tax is sheeeeesh

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад

      To your point, this orange and pink color combo that Solar Flares have were not super high on my list. A simple orange and white with a matte stamp would've got me more excited.
      And they didn't even NEED to get crazy with the colors of discs and foils and whatnot because tossing an Elephant astronaut of all things on a "Solar Flare" is already intriguing

    • @POFFINGTON1508
      @POFFINGTON1508 7 дней назад +1

      @@ArmoryDiscGolf 100%

  • @DiscGolfDouche
    @DiscGolfDouche 5 дней назад

    I bag all 3 and it's fairly simple..
    Discmania = for advanced players
    MVP = gyro gimmick beginner friendly.
    MVP marketing is smart, they totally simped to the masses to make money. They legit exploited beginners to grow their business and these knuckleheads just don't get it 😂

  • @sethwilliams736
    @sethwilliams736 7 дней назад

    Personally hate the stamps. Cloudbreaker and sky walkers have been the best stamps in the past year imo. Discmania stamp game has gone down since Simon and eagle leaving

  • @TherealPapaDogP
    @TherealPapaDogP 7 дней назад

    Hopefully the Notion isn’t up here

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад

      the Notion was solid. In general people get less excited about new putting putters compared to other slots because you typically just have 1 mold in that slot

  • @MrCornaldo
    @MrCornaldo 7 дней назад

    Too many noodle arms in DiscGolf 😂

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад

      haha maybe- but I feel like EVERYONE is bombing these days, especially compared to when I started playing ~10 years ago

  • @jamesfarabaugh6669
    @jamesfarabaugh6669 4 дня назад

    In DG world I’m a vegetarian. Both are too beefy for me.

  • @thechessreview3197
    @thechessreview3197 7 дней назад

    It’s literally all in the name. Why else you think discs named Destroyer and Firebird are perennial best-sellers (aside from also being great molds)?
    Cause they have badass names.
    Gravity Bomb?
    Solar Flare??!
    No thanks.
    You can look at any manufacturer and tell which molds will be their best-sellers (or flops) based on the names.
    Dynamic Discs are a great example of a once-great brand who has fallen by the wayside because their disc names never evolved.
    I will die on this hill.

    • @ArmoryDiscGolf
      @ArmoryDiscGolf  7 дней назад

      I agree about the DD naming scheme, idk why they thought that was a good idea. But I think Solar Flare and Gravity Bomb are both really cool names, actually. They're in the same realm as Cloud Breaker and Doom Bird, which were both really popular