Ranking Minnesota Vikings QB options in the NFL Draft
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- Опубликовано: 14 апр 2024
- What are NFL executives saying about the quarterback prospects that are in play for the Minnesota Vikings involving JJ McCarthy, Jayden Daniels, Drake Maye, Bo Nix and Michael Penix and we rank the best options; Mock Draft update and more on Purple Daily.
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10 more days... 10 more days
Longest off season ever.
For-everrrrrrrrr
It’s like Groundhog’s Day at this point.
Lol. I tell them that several times a week.
Please God bring the draft so I don't have to hear another mock draft.
There’s a lot of misconceptions about Daniels because he is a 1,000 yard rusher.
He is not just a Lamar Jackson type coming out. Yes, you’re getting a 1,000 yard rusher, but he’s debatably the most polished passer in this class. He throws guys open, he has the third highest rating when not targeting his first read (only behind Williams and Penix). Daniels has a great arm, not Williams, Milton or Maye good, but definitely an NFL arm.
And Daniels is one of the most consistently accurate passers. The most accurate is Williams of course that guy is insanely accurate
Mackey you keep saying "how he fits kevin oconnels offense"
A good coach will tailor the offense around what his qb does well and not force a qb to fit his structure. Andy Reid didnt force Mahomes to play in the same exact schemes as Alex Smith. This is why the Josh Dobbs failed here because the more koc tried to make Dobbs play like Cousins the worse he got.
For this reason i dont have confidence that koc wont ruin whoever is under center.
First of all Dobbs had already been with five teams, so that had more to do with the fact that he couldn't make the throws. Osborne and JJ both got hurt because he hung them out on passes. KOC comes from Sean McVay's coaching staff. He is fine with a mobile QB which helps with play action, but in order for his offense to be good, he needs a guy who can read progressions quickly and deliver an accurate pass. Mahomes is creative, but at the end of the day he does both of those things well, which every good QB can do.
Mackey is UNlistenable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@77racing71...and yet, you're listening.
I hope we get mccarthy he has the IT as a leader which is important
I agree. I hope we can get him!
It would be HUGE if we can trade up and get him WITHOUT giving up the 2025 first round pick. That would be the perfect scenario for the Vikings.
Sit him for this year or most of the year and let him develop under O’Connell and mccowen.
Who is IT? Is he related to The Thing? 😇
Sam's the Man! 🏈 Skol Vikings!
He wasn’t even voted team captain last year with Wolverines.
You right. He ain't IT 💀
That's all he's got. He can hand the ball off great. Oh wait, anyone can do that. Drake Maye is the same age so why is everyone saying McCarthy is the youngest? By what a few months over Maye...🤣🤣🤣
Please don't forget that we will NEVER know what was the rankings the Vikings had before the draft. They will say that was their target player now matter who they pick, no matter how they were ranked. You keep saying you will trust O'Connell with his pick. What if it is his 3rd or 4th pick that Kwesi gives him and you will never know.
100% this
This is 100% true. A coach and gm will always say the player they drafted was atop their board, or their target guy
Yes, yep, yep.
Yall make me look forward to weekdays no joke. As far as the draft, if the Vikings move up in round 1 they will take a QB with a J.
One with an “A” in his name!
Followed by ayden Daniels
Jr
Unfortunately, that no partying thing doesn't work with GROWN MEN in a lockeroom.
Jrake Maye
My ranking has been identical Declan for 2 months. My rank is Daniels, McCarthy, Williams, Penix, Maye, Nix. I have Daniels and McCarthy neck and neck on the top, but they are very different players. Daniels is an athletic freak and JJ might be the best bet to be a quality starter years 2-10. I have concerns about Williams between the ears. I view Maye as the biggest risk of being a bust based on slow release, poor footwork and being overrated based on his size and arm strength. Penix is NFL ready and could be top 10 if he has an elite Oline but his inaccuracy when he gets flushed out of the pocket are concerning. Nix might be a low end starter or top level backup but benefited from dink and dunk passes.
Spot-on 💯%
Exactly my order... we know our stuff lol. Pretty cool. I have each player where they are based on the same things except for Penix. I almost have him over Williams because of his arm talent. The reason I have Penix a tad behind is because of injury risk. He has a good chance at being a stud otherwise.
Same, and I have Rattler above Maye & Nix.
Good conversation guys!
We need more discussions like this!
I think MCCarthy is a smoke screen and the Vikings have somebody else in mind.
There has been way too much hype on McCarthy and you know what they say when it comes to the draft, it's all about your Poker face and when to play your cards. 😊
Exactly wrong. The smoke screen is Maye and Penix injury machine.
@@debsmith7861 maybe 🤔
It’s not smoke. Lol the pats are saying it. The skins are saying it. Denver, Vegas. Like it’s not smoke. He’s good
Can’t wait for the draft to start already
the Vikings may end up with Darnold and that is it
I'm ok with the vikings having a few bad years....
I’m so old that the run and shoot offense is now considered “Old School.” I’m cool with that! 😎
As to the expert takes on the top six quarterbacks it’s always fun to see quarterback seven (or eight) prove the experts wrong.
Next time we should go back and revisit what you guys were saying last years QBs.
Malik Willis top ten lol
They should have Matt Waldman on Purple Daily he does a deep dive compiling statistics from film work capturing the QBs ability to process on field information and how accurate their passes are. He has Penix as the second rated QB showing through his statistics that all of the faults that many draft analysts have found with him are not correct, such as he does throw to the middle of the field and he is accurate on those throws. That Penix doesn't throw well off platform and doesn't scramble showing that he scrambles more than most NFL QBs and that statistically he throws accurate passes on the move. He also points out through talking to NFL scouts that the rookie QB gets no help at fixing their mechanics problems they are entirely left to themselves to work on that, because the QB coach is working with the QB at installing the offense for the upcoming game. That is why he ranked Maye 6th and McCarthy 5th best QB's because the mechanics and processing problems that they have won't get fixed unless they have years to work on it.
Young & solid over flashy. I think KOC can make JJ into his best self. Comment: Phil didn't make his "weapons all over the place" comment, today ?!
What if they gave up 11 and a 25 1st for a qb and saved 23 for Byron Murphy II ? Maybe they dont like the DT class next year? Maybe they end up with McCarthy/Maye/or Daniels AND Murphy II
If the vikes have a bad year that first next year will be top 10
@@ClownBaby37 Lol the team played out of a top 10 pick with Mullens/Dobbs/Hall but sure, the 2025 pick will be top 10, and even if it was, who the hell cares, you would just want to draft a QB with it and start the same process a year later. The franchise is over 60 years old, 6 decades of wasted years is enough.
PS - the Rams havent had a first round pick for 7 years, they made the playoffs 5x and 2 super bowls.
Sounds like a dream come true 😎
Agree with your point on the rookie sitting for a year, but I ask my fellow Vikings fans, we need to be patient as well. Please, do not start the outcry to play the rook 4 games into the season, we must do our part and trust the process
JJ a northerner he fits Vikings mold! 💪
Tarkenton was a southerner, as was Culpepper, Kramer, Wilson, Bridgewater, etc...
JJ McCarthy FTW! 💯%
The odds are against every one of these QBs.
Minnesota would be savvy to build the trenches and focus on helping Darnold reach his potential.
I had great seats at that Buffalo game when they destroyed the Vikings. Bills scored 3 times in the first quarter in my end zone lol
Difference here is Purdy was a 7th rd pick...NOT a #5 OVERALL
And Trey lance was a 1st
@@wyattneyhart3485 and your point? other then the one on the top of your head
So what dude you don't know qb. Tb12 is drafted with 199 pick. Joe Montana was 3rd round.
So what TB12 was199 player drafted. Joe Montana was 3rd round.
And Birdy has the weakest arm in the entire NFL. McCarthy has a rocket arm and is dead accurate, throws 62 mph, short passing game in MI notwithstanding.
It was egregious tampering by the Falcons but I would expect a swap of the Falcons 3rd round pick with the Vikings 4th round pick. The Vikings getting the 8th pick would make the trade up much more reasonable, but I wouldn't hold out hope for that swap.
If Kwesi was willing to give up the farm for Richardson last year, I bet that give up the farm to either get Maye or McCarthy at 3, they are going to go for the QB
If they give up the farm for McCarthy they will be looking for new jobs at the end of 2024...😂😂
Intangibles are very important for JJ. Mainly because JJ did not have tangible production. Playing in the most games this year he finds himself dwarfed by the other 5 QBs. Mackey using cherry picked sample size stats were used to crush Kirk. Now you are going to use these small sample size arguments to praise Kirk’s son JJ McCarthy? Frankly I love it! I hope JJ goes #2.
Drake Maye is the next Drew Lock
Yikes ydkb
Ymbr
Based on what he hasn't played a nfl snap yet. You know nothing about any of these qbs just like the rest of us lol
I still think the Vikings should stick and pick. Take Penix.
There are reasons they're former GMs!!!
They need to hire another assistant to work with Penix, Maye, or McCarthy to work on their flaws because that isn't what the QB coach does. The QB coach implements the game plan and looks at the upcoming opponents defense with the QBs. The rookie QB works on his mechanics and other issues by himself. A billion dollar industry and they don't give the young QBs the support they need.
GIVE ME DANIELS
McCarthy will be a Viking! It’s gonna work out. Love that guy
The irony of Judd's comment about KOC turning Maye into the $6 million QB in the shop lol ($6 Million Man reference). Yeah based on KOC's track record, Maye might only be worth $6m/y by his 2nd contract xD. To be fair, that was 1973, so adjusted for inflation it would be about $48m by Maye's 2nd contract.
Here's the ranking order.
Williams
Daniels
Penix Jr
McCarthy
Maye
Nix
Watch Kurt Warner and Chase Daniel on Bo Nix. Both said that the offense is a pro style offense with the passing concepts. In fact i want to say both said they felt like Oregon had the most pro style concepts.
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1. Daniels
2. Maye
3. Williams
4. McCarthy
5. Penix
6. Pruitt
7. Travis
8. Rattler
9. Milton
10. Leary
11. Nix
12. Hartman
13. Tagovailoa
14. Reed
15. Bradley
1. Williams
2. Daniels
3. Penix
4. Maye
5. McCarthy
6. Rattler
7. Nix
@@Jderushia07 Like that list. I would have Penix at 2 if it wasn't for history medicals
@@josephboyat-bt1jf Dede Westbrook beat Pat Mahomes as player of the year in the Big 12 in 2016. I guess the Chiefs made a mistake in choosing Mahomes over Westbrook.
Here's one for reckless speculation. Week ago Tom Brady says he's kinda digging the thought of playing this year. If I'm KOC I'm on the phone with my old teammate trying to convince him to make a Brett Favre appearance. I mean wouldn't be hard to sell him with Jefferson Addison hawkenson Aaron Jones. Two probowl Tackles. A Brian Flo defense. You cam still draft your QB and have a chance to make some noise this year in the division.
Drake Maye does remind me of Josh Allen in size, and arm strength. While I believe Maye is lighter than Allen and an inch shorter, he does have a cannon. Allen had accuracy issues but was stated to have the 'right stuff' to be an NFL QB just like Maye. He's a tall QB that played for a terrible college team, I think Maye would be pick that would pan out in a few years. Allen got a lot of crap before he turned into the QB he is today, still some turnover issues but I don't think anyone would disagree that he's elite. If it's Maye I would be excited to see what happens.
We are not going to find the perfect QB. Let's just find a good prospect and see where it goes. If we whiff, we'll take another swing a little farther down the road. I'm easily one of the oldest fans following this whole pre-draft process, and I am completely relaxed about the whole thing.
I hope to God they get Maye or Daniels. Both have the highest ceiling that's available to the vikings if they hive up enough to get them. I'd take Penix 3rd because he has the experience and leadership with his time in college but he doesn't have the ceiling my other 2 qbs have. McCarthy is going to be a great long time backup in the NFL if that's what they are looking for unless we go to a run heavy offense. You have to understand some of McCarthys succes was do to the fact that Michigan ran 90% of the time so that would open up the passing game. No one is thinking like that but they should be. Passing 30 to 40 times a game is WAY different than running all the time and passing 10 times a game guys.
Everyone is hyper focused on trading up for this QB or that QB, who falls, etc. Kwesi is eyeing all the extreme talent in this draft and seems just as interested in amassing studs everywhere we can than simply taking a homerun swing for an unproven QB.
Who does Kwesi take if the following players are on the board at #11:
Penix
Nix
Odunze
Bowers
Mitchell
It's possible all 3 of the skill position players there vie for rookie of the year, based on their scouting. Odunze would give us 3 deep again, ala 1998. Bowers is a matchup nightmare who would also force defenses to single up JJ and Addison all game. Mitchell looks to be a shutdown corner who can erase a team's #1 receiver, something we don't have.
If the DT you love is there at #23, take him. You now have a lethal offense led by an experienced 26-year-old QB who's only real time has been on terrible teams. You'd also have a much improved, younger defense. You'd still have 7 more picks in the draft to move up, the 2025 draft, and the most FA money of any team next year. If we were picking 1 or 2, I'd go all in on Williams or Daniels, but we're not. I'd rather take a can't miss offensive stud and can't miss defender than a 40% swing on a QB. We can do that next year if Darnold doesn't pan out. By then, the rest of the team will be loaded and mostly on rookie contracts.
A 1st round Purdy is a firable offense
Part of this comparison should be these guys versus Sam Darnold. Would you rather have Michael Pinex and your other first round pick or Sam Darnold and both picks? Darnold is only 1 year older, has more experience, could be better in every way, especially after working with KOC. I'm not sure I believe it, but it would be an interesting comparison just to see which version of the team is better. Maybe, just maybe, Sam Darnold could be the long term answer with KOC's tutelage.
That Nicollet law advertisement of him walking through the empty stadium is clown
We need a Kwik Trip in the BRD area.
JD, McCarthy, Pennix, Maye.
When it comes to drafting QB’s, I trust a tortoise more than I do the Vikings. I have a feeling, even if they draft the right QB, they’ll somehow turn him into a bust. That’s just their MO.
man… this came in the knick of time
Has Declan ever watched Michael Penix play football the past 2 seasons? The dude is a literal statue in the pocket with absolutely no mobility AT ALL. He gave up making plays with his legs after the 2 acl tears. I don’t see any scenario in which Penix gets drafted in the first round. And I actually like Penix and think he can be a good nfl qb, he just isn’t mobile and the injury history scares the hell out of me. Solid show as always though boys!
Not so reckless speculation. I have this gut feeling the Vikings trade future picks with the Chargers for Justin Herbert. Those picks would be conditional. Harbaugh will likely pick his favorite QB, McCarthy. LA would benefit if Herbert hits incentives and Vikings have a winning record. I see a win/win for both teams.
On the point about Nix’s production not translating - stop and think about Purdy what Purdy has done so far.
Who is that saying McCarthy had an arm? He threw plenty flutter balls at his pro day
I didn’t check the math but it sure felt like that mock had the vikes paying more to go to 5 then the raiders paid to go to 3 but mabye ik going crazy 51:09
J.J. would be the best QB that we’ve had since Fran Tarkenton. His physical talents and abilities aside, his intelligence intrigues me the most. His IQ is much further advanced compared to other 21 year olds. QB is the most cerebral position of any sport and J.J. might be the fastest processor and best decision maker, besides Caleb Williams, from this class.
I feel like they won’t do anything there going to play it safe
Why do we ignore jaydens time at ASU? His teammates literally celebrated him leaving, there may he some intangible questions that I haven't heard any of you bring up. You do realize he played more than 1 college season right
Kwesi has said they have been studying this QB draft class for 2 years. They go and hire Josh who has worked with Maye already. It's going to be Maye and JJ's just to throw off the scent!
Let us feast this year. ❤
Why do people want the Van Wilder of QBs in Penix? Imagine if JJ or Maye stayed in college for 3 more years, they would be light years ahead of Penix as prospects.
Washington isnt stupid... They know Daniels is miles ahead of mccarthy and Maye. Vikings would have to give up draft picks in 25 and 26 to even have a conversation with Washington.
Nah. I hope WSH takes JD5.
Quite possibly the most biased take you’ll find anywhere on the internet.
( oh and me using the word “biased”
to describe your comment, is laughable)
None of these teams are going to let a guy that they drafted in the top 5 sit for a year.. especially if giving up tons of draft capital to get to top group. ## not sitting for a year
The one thing I like about McCarthy over Maye is McCarthy is not randomly skipping balls down the field.
That's cuz JJ is randomly over throwing everywhere... What's your point? Lol
McCarthy wasn't skipping balls all over the place because he wasn't asked to throw very often period (20 att/g). Should be the first red flag. KOC is pass happy and nobody knows if McCarthy can carry a team with his arm. By pass #25 he might start skipping the ball all over the place.
@@StillKeepOnLosingwhat qb do you think the vikings should take then genius. Let's hear your master plan
@@djangorestraind596 Maye, Penix, or Nix.... Id fire KOC and Kwesi first then go get Lions OC to be HC. Easy
@@StillKeepOnLosing Ben Johnson doesn't wanna be a head coach he wants to remain miserable in Detroit
Penix is the 3rd best QB in this draft behind Daniels and Williams. I hope the Vikings take him.
You guys think when Daniel scramble is to pass. He have not shown it. When Daniel tuck it in it is run not a pass.
Watch the Michigan vs Maryland game and tell me that's a top 10 pick QB
One game huh?
@@Kskol-ld7cq You can watch the Purdue game if you really need to watch him suck in multiple games
You can watch a couple Ponder games and think he's the next Joe Montana lol.
@@franknorth164you realize he's only 21 right
@@djangorestraind596 And you realize there are a plethora of college QB's that are 21 who aren't top 10 candidates right? McCarthy is one of them.
McCarthy grew up in Chicago and played in Detroit. He’s meant to be in the NFC North!!
Tom Brady grew up in the Bay Area, played college un MI, and won 7 titles in the East Coast. You're right. That logic makes so much sense.
@StillKeepOnLosing off all these comments this what irked you lol. Every time I see you comment on vikings content I'm reminded how pathetic your obsession with the vikings is. We get it you love the vikings stop pretending to be a lions fan
JJ isn’t the guy , JJ at #11 you can talk me into taking a swing at
But
To trade multiple draft picks to trade up and draft him would be a complete mistake for this franchise
Jim Harbaugh also isn’t the Chargers GM….
😂😂
34:50 Rick Spielman doesn't love bo nix
Sounds like Kirk jr to me! If you guys just want a younger version of Kirk then Macarthy is your guy. I personally think the Vikings need a runner like Daniel’s
Maye is gonna fall into the vikings laps. Mayes gonna be the best QB of this class.
Cazzy how fast people change the mind without a single game being played may was clear cut 2 now can't throw and is droping lol 😅 jj went from round 2 to 2nd best just 2 weeks ago penex was a round 2
1. Penix - NO. 2. who was it to see the other two with hoodies, and throw one on too? Dex? was it you Dex?
I like 5 of the QBs maye worries me most! Turnover problems and doesnt scramble very well he reminds me most of kirk! can make all the throws but doesnt have that winning IT factor!
It's Jaiden Daniels or nothing
But if you don't have a good left tackle it don't matter who you pick!!!!!
Koc wants drake maye!
How mad are heads gonna be if we trade up for JJ… feel like McCarthy will be like the next Kirk cousins.. he will have the fan base split on either loving him or hating him.. hopefully if that does happen his play makes all the haters turn to lovers
I swear if they draft Nix or Spencer. To quote Shark Tank, "I'm out."
I’m with Declan.
If Harbaugh trusted him why was he not passing first running second??? Anyone can hand the ball off guys....🤔🤔
Something in my gut is telling me that the Vikings are going to take Penix if they can't get Jayden Daniels
I hope so because everyone sleeping on him like he’s not top 3 qb in the draft
Penix would be a top 3 in this draft w/out the injury history. Sadly you only get so many acl recoveries. It's going to be an issue at some point. Still a very good player it just has to be part of the calculus.
We're going to take JJ's intangibles over Nix's production ... Vikings always Viking
I cannot imagine watching a Kirk Cousins teams for 6 years and not learning how absolute meaningless box stat production is when it comes to evaluating a QB.
What about that report from last week that the private workout scheduled between the Vikings and Jayden Daniels after Daniels' Pro Day fell through, per JD's agent, because the agent is so certain JD is going #2 to Washington, so why waste time working out with the Vikings since they have no chance at drafting him. If that story is true, either JD has poor judgement with his agents, or JD is so arrogant that he doesn't want to meet with a team that realistically he could be drafted by. The draft is always unpredictable, you never know what can happen. If JD is that level of diva, than no thanks. McCarthy's team first attitude is much more welcome than a prima dona QB (again, if that story is true--anyone know if it's been debunked?).
I think some of the Drake Maye stuff is just a total smokescreen, I actually think there’s a pretty good chance Washington takes him and if not, he’s going either 3 or 4 overall
Only send the Godfather offer if it’s for Daniels.
Anyone selling a VIP ticket for the draft party :)
Jud keeps saying B. Nix was in a tricked up offense! What does that mean, 4000 yds , 40 tds, 3 ints, how bad could he be!
Most of his stats came off of the back of short screens ect. That other players turned into big plays.
His average yards per pass was something like 7.3. All of the top rated QBs was over 10 yards per pass
@rosssivertson6339 He avoided taking sacks, with 3 interceptions.
I believe the Vikings will trade up but not like all the predictions. I believe they trade with the Titans at 7, and take Penix. Don't go crazy, this would probably be a pick swap 7 for 11, maybe a 4th, and the 2025 3rd. This saves pick 23, gives a chance to add another star
Dex how much you smoke before the show ?
What about the bears taking Jayden Daniels????
BEFORE WE COUNT OUR CHICKENS LETS LET THEM HATCH FIRST. FIRST HOW ARE WE GONNA GET FROM #11 TO #2 or 3 TO GET THE GOOD GUY TO BEGIN WITH!?!?!?
Im pretty sure that 8 for 11 isnt gonna happen if it does awesome but i dont think it happens
The pick is Sam Darnold
Kwesi showed his cards too early and now we appear desperate so now getting a reasonable deal is unlikely and Kwesi is already balking at asking prices, I doubt we get a franchise qb now and Kwesi has screwed up again, get rid of him before its too late to save the franchise.
What are you talking about? How has he showed his cards? Balking at asking prices? Where are you getting this information? 😂
We should get rid of you before you stink up the fan base with your clown takes
Drake Maye sounds like he has the biggest bust potential 🤔
Judd wants Drake Maye so so bad that he ignores all the warnings.. I cant wait for to see the purple daily show three years from now when the new car smell is gone and he has to realize Maye the bust that was warned against.
TRADE JJ for another 1st round pick . Trade the 3 first rounds for a QB OR, DRAFT A GUARD, CENTER , GUARD go for thecQB NEXT YEAR
That makes no sense we give up more to get the 5th pick then the Raiders did to go to 3
Maye had the least amount to work with compared to the other guys. He had to do everything like mahomes did
And he still couldn't put it in the right spot majority of the time. You just never know though. The kids could be HOFers or busts. Just go get your guy and hope for the best
@@BloodySoup74 Mahomes had some of the same problems with accuracy, but your right about not knowing who will be great or bad
JJ is going pick #2.