Mike Renner doesn't think I'm wrong about Drake Maye
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- Опубликовано: 17 апр 2024
- Matthew Coller is joined by NFL draft analyst Mike Renner to preview next week's NFL Draft and discuss the Vikings' QB options.
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Penix makes so much sense for the Vikings.
Drake Maye has the highest upside of any QB in this draft. Josh Allen/Justin Herbert type player if he reaches it. Shoot for the stars, KOC and the coaching staff can make it happen. Go get him, no matter what.
P.s. Renner just wants us to draft Nix because he is a Packer fan
Maye is a bust
Renner is the man ! So is Matt
I’m not gay, but Mike Renner is a beautiful man 🤣.
lol I was going to say the same thing, this man is hot as hell
Oh you are both gay
Matt is forgetting a previous Washington QB - RGIII. Daniels is a lot like him, and the Commies could ruin him for the same reason they ruined RGIII. QB's should mostly avoid running downfield.
RG3 was my initial comp when watching him and reading scout breakdowns. I’ve since seen another comp for Daniels that might fit even better: Randall Cunningham.
Best QB for Commies would actually be Bo Nix. He gets rid of the ball in 2.3 seconds, quickest in the class, and he puts it in stride, so his guys can catch it and make a move to daylight. His requirement for a solid O Line is the least of any of them.
He got rid of the ball quickly in college because the offense was all WR screens and dump offs. This doesn’t translate and is a meaningless stat. Nix will have to read defenses and attack the entire field to succeed in the NFL. It will be a big adjustment and it is tough to know how he will project.
I feel bipolar on this class but I am starting to love the idea of Maye even tho I don't see the upside in my scouting
I see the upside but also think Maye has the lowest floor. (I also don’t think his upside is any higher than the other three QBs at the top.) So, he is a polarizing prospect for me. I have him 4th and would certainly be happy if the Vikings drafted him. (Though, frankly less happy of they chose him over McCarthy or Daniels.) The red flag that is hard for me to overlook is his performance under pressure. To succeed in the NFL, particularly in the playoffs, the QB has to excel under pressure. Maye was a checkdown QB in college with a 48% completion rate. This is alarming as it makes me think of Cousins on his worst days.
Many think he will need a redshirt year, which is fine. But I’m not sure how much it will help his game and consistency since I don’t believe staying level headed under pressure can be taught. Anxiety can be managed but not eliminated. The truly elite have a pulse that simply doesn’t fluctuate in big spots. I don’t think Maye is that guy and at best, I think he becomes a good but not elite QB. (Like Herbert is right now.)
I actually spent a couple hours watching over game film of some of the top QB's recently and I found Maye's film to be very UNIMPRESSIVE. After watching film I am now a big hell no with Maye and a big hell yes for Daniels! Watch Daniels film, that guy is making NFL reads and NFL throws with ease and OMG can the man run!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, it's a Viking podcast, so you gotta talk about them
Dan is Dean from Supernatural 🧟♀️
Good point about being outbid. Yes, it's possible, but it will be tough. The Vikings have 2 first rounders this year. That's a payback NOW instead of some now and some next year. And IF some other team want to overpay, let them and then the Vikings stay at #11 and #23 and call it a day. Get their QB at #11.
Its so funny how we all have our top qb picks but time will tell who is right...lol
Was wondering... I see Fiske as DT#3 even though many have him far lower. I think his game translates well to NFL. Clearly B Murphy II is top of my list & Newton might go 1st Rd. But after I think it's muddy. I have Fiske as my DT number two in this draft over Newton, Taylor, Hall & Jenkins who currently are ranked higher. what do you think? I agree with you that Vikings need a difference making 3 tech. I can hear Flores now banging the table if Fiske falls to 3rd round.
Hoping Sam is the the Vikes next Randell Cunningham
SEC players should always get the nod in a tie. North Carolina qb's got stats, but not much cred in the nfl.
The fact that McCarthy just doesn’t make touch throws was the first thing I noticed about him. If there is a red flag that would be it in my eyes. Finally the topic is being discussed.
I mean he’s 21 these guys aren’t finished products
Maye struggles mightily under pressure. McCarthy is the opposite, he thrives. Smart pick is McCarthy.
Both Penix and Nix have proved many times that they can dodge a pass rush, then complete a pass downfield.
The first example is awareness and decision making, not ball placement. The rest are legit. Also, every QB misses.
Remember our $10 million dollar QB this year was once the must have trade up at all cost QB for the Jets just a few years back. Instead of reaching for another "can't miss messiah" why not see what KOC can do with him given he's had 5 OCs and 3 teams? We need to defend against what Chicago's picks will be able to do. Like a good edge rusher and cover corner. Here's my question: which would you rather have a man child WR like Moss was? Or, a run for your life QB that eventually gets caught like RG3? I watched Cousins since Mich St. He was the 3rd best QB in the B1G then and his same flaws never got better. We should be thankful the Falcons have him and his salary! Because it is ultimately the best team you can "afford".
Vikings QB Cost/Benefit Analysis decision is key here We all pound the table for Vikes trade up to Pk 3 so KOC can get our guy. But if we can't get to pk 3? Don't force a Multiple Number One Picks trade up for 2nd tier QBs Pennix & McCarthy. Desperation is bad strategy. Trading away two or three 1st rounders for QB 4 is reaching. There is real value with Vikings pks 11 & 23. If top 3 QBs are taken at Pks 1-2-3 then Kwesi the Cost Benefit Analysis GM must guide the choice: Door #1) Trade multiple first rounders for Pennix or JJ McCarthy. Door #2) Pk 11 Take CB: Q Mitchell then take QB at Pk 23: Pennix (Ready Now) or JJ McCarthy (Little production but youth upside) My take is "Rookie QB Salary Super Bowl Window" is a real thing. College QB is way easier than NFL QB. Harbaugh did not ask JJ to carry his team vs college defenses. Imagine asking him to throw 35 passes a game vs NFL Cornerbacks next year. Vikings need to get KOC a QB to mold. If all gone at pk 3 then a stud CB or DE at pk 11 and one of the two development QBs: Pennix or McCarthy if either is still there at 23. Slight reach but getting a stud defensive player at 11 eases the pain. SKOL
Would you sell the farm for Daniels
Not a QB in this draft worth selling the farm for. Unless it's a really crappy farm.
So DEPRESSING to think about the Vikings giving up 3 or more FRPs to move up to 3 and wasting the Pick on Maye who won't be ready until at least season 3 at the earliest.
The Vikings need to hire an expert like you.
@@timmurphy1215 Absolutely.
Season 3? Seriously? What are you smoking
@@loganwhitson9880 Have you seen all his flaws? It will take 2 seasons minimum to get him ready to play in the NFL.
Certainly, Maye is the top prospect to most likely need a redshirt year. (Two years might be a stretch.) For what its worth, I like him as the 4th best QB prospect in this draft. I think he has more flaws than the other guys at the top, similar to Penix and Nix. His potential separates him from those two to keep him in the top four.
Nix couldn't hack it in the SEC and went to a gimmicky Oregon offense ...Drafting him would be a wasted pick ...His job on Sundays will be holding a clipboard and then 5Yrs from now being a High School assistant coach...See Kellen Mond
Not sure where you were goin with the wnba thing unless your saying Caleb Williams is gonna turn into something no one wants to watch
I hate the idea of looking at this as an economics decision instead of looking for the best player you can get your hands on. I don't put much credence into the "rookie QB cheat code" philosophy.
That only works for the Eagles and Niners because they've hit on star talent in every single round of the draft for years and made phenomenal trades/FA acquisitions on top of that. We can't assume that we can do that, we probably can't! .....also even with all that those teams lost in the Superbowl to a star QB who had a mediocre team surrounding him.
It makes sense. But only if that rookie QB is a top 12 guy. Saving $40M+ per year to pay other positions is game changing. Of course, the window is small, so better win now before you have to pay the guy…
So yeah, the ideal situation is to draft Montana/Brady/Mahomes and be a Super Bowl contender for a decade plus. The rookie QB is a realistic fallback option for everyone else.
The Cousins fans are the cult pushing for Maye.
A boring guy that needs too much perfection around him. Maye just like kirk cant create.
Nix!
Maye is a bust. His highlights are against bad teams like Coastal Carolina and Appalachian St and other low level chump teams.
Mays accuracy is bad and he isnt ultra athletic. He is just big with a stong arm but there is little else that shows him as a difference maker.
Maye is a a bust and definitly nlt worth moving up for.
Packers aren't going to be the class of the division, Detroit is. Packers will be the 2nd best team. Vikes and Bears, at least for now, are 3rd and 4th in some order. Renner's delusional.
Sonny Jurgensen, Ken Stabler, Dan Marino and Dan Fouts were the 6th quarterback taken.
Johnny Unitas was a 9th round pick.
Bart Starr was a 17th round pick.
Warren Moon and Kurt Warner weren't drafted.
ok?
😂 Kirk Cousins is a master at ball placement? 😂
Then why was it 4th and 8 the play after KJ Osborn was open beyond the 1st down marker?
On MNF, he threw two passes to Charverius Ward in the 1st half!
Against Carolina, he underthrew Addison by 14 yards then threw a 99-yd pick-6. The 4th and 18 in Buffalo was perfectly placed if he wanted only the Bill to have a chance at catching it instead of Jefferson.
Kirk's bad throws got Jefferson knocked out of the Indy game twice.
His accuracy on passes to open receivers in the end zone is particularly bad.
[Though I give him credit for a beautiful pass to Jefferson that was nullified by holding before the 99-yd pick-6.]
And then there were the 300+ other plays where he dropped the ball where only his receivers could catch it 1.5 seconds after getting the snap and s defensive lineman is in his face. STFU.
The top reason Kirk was a top 15 QB was accuracy. Every metric backs that up. Yes, there were throws he missed as every QB does
Because Kirk is at heart a non risk taker and he defaulted back to that when the stakes were high.
@@Romeloblade True. But he was able to attempt the pass in Buffalo. After the lousy pass to Osborn was broken up, it was Hockenson who wasn't willing to risk a lateral and chose to take the football to the turf.
@@leonardshevlin7260 It was a dumb pass, end of story.
You are way wrong about the Pats. Don't count on trading down with them. They are definitely choosing a QB.
Nobody knows anything it’s just speculation and rumors. It’s very possible that they don’t have a high grade on Maye and decide to move back
JJM IS the over rated player 4 thus years draft
Cause he had one loss and won a national championship 🤔
@@jamesjahnke5721 Well all that says is he can hand the ball off good 😅🤣😂
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I would call him slightly underrated. Bobblehead gurus in the media are talking themselves into thinking that going 27-1 for a team that won its first title in 26 years is somehow a negative.
Maye 😂😂😂😂 please nooooooo
Wrong dude. Maye has a MUCH higher ceiling than McCarthy. McCarthy oh yeah played for a national championship team but that team ran 90% of the time something KOC isn't going to do. He is bigger than McCarthy and passed a hell of a lot more in college than hand off McCarthy...😂😂 I would take either Maye or Daniels far above McCarthy. Asking a qb to throw 3 to 4 times more in the NFL isn't an easy task and oh yeah the Vikings aren't running anywhere near what Michigan did so it opens up the fact he's going to take way more sacks and pass for more int's.
@jamierask8527 Nooooooo i disagree,and I'm not going back and forth about it.
Drake is best QB in class. Ability to anticipate windows
Rennet sucks!!! Watch the offenses each of these guys ran and take a look at the players they played with. I rest my case