******************UPDATE FOR X3 FRAME GEN MODE************************* sorry i forgot this part When using X3 mode you need to make sure that you set your frame cap accordingly as well as your refresh rate for the monitor. Like I explained in the video if you are a user that can get 40 FPS Natively and you do not have an 80 hertz option for your refresh rate for the monitor and you do not want to drop down to 60 hertz then what you could do in this situation is to use 40fps As your cap and then use the times three mode and set your screen refresh rate to 120 hertz. If you have a 240hz monitor and can get 80fps natively in the sim then x3 will be good there also , set your fps to 79cap Or drop your refresh of the monitor to 160hz and set x3 mode and use 52fps cap. So as you can see the X3 mode can come in handy for those people who are getting between 30 and 60 FPS and have a higher Refresh rate monitor. X3 mode make sure that you set your frame cap to at least 1/3 of your refresh rate that you set in your Nvidia control panel And like I showed in the video I like to go one step farther and just reduce that FPS by one. The closer you keep your interpolated fps to the set refresh of the monitor the smoother it will be And to do that you want to make sure that You do not fall below your capped frame rate but as long as you are using dxgi capture method and if you do fall below your cap frame rate dxgi should interpolate lower for you and it really shouldn't make that much of a difference. *****************************************************************************************************************
@2020fsers tengo un monitor 16:9 de 60 Hz y los fps hasta ahora los había puesto a 27 fps con Auto FPS con TLOD al máximo en casi todos los escenarios salvo ciudades muy grandes o aeropuertos la simulación es fluida. La pregunta es: Que configuración debo proporcionar con este programa y generación de cuadros? o este programa tiene generación de cuadros también?
Game changer! I’m now completly maxed out Ultra, etc. on my 3090Ti on an ASUS 41.5” 3840x2160 @120hz and getting 60-89 FPS at KSFO. Without LS I’m getting 30ish with a mix of high/Ultra. Thanks for the awesome videos!
AT LONG LAST, your the only place I've managed to find out about using this with VR, I had the same results...everything got a whole lot worst. Keep up your great videos.
Thank you so much for noting the *_No VR_* caveat right in the title. That's a first in the MSFS 2020 tutorial space! I'm watching it, anyway, because of that courtesy, even though I fly exclusively in VR.
thank you im not trying to waist your time thinking that it will make vr better lol at least it didnt for me .. i also put another easter egg in the thumbnail... i also always fly vr unless doing a tutorial, theres nothing like it until you get into a real plane that is.
Great work! However - as others have pointed out - GSync enabled gives horrendous input lag, at least on my machine (4090 7800X3D LG42 4K HDR 120hz monitor). I tried disabling GSync altogether, and disabling it for MSFS and Upscale, but still the lag was insane when enabling RTSS. Since I’m an HDR user as well as a heavy X-Plane user, I’ve dug around for methods to improve HDR in X-Plane (as it doesn’t support HDR in the true sense), and landed on SpesialK, which also features a FrameRateLimiter, and a lot of customizable controls to tweak stuff in order to reduce latency. Long story short: Disabling GSync via SpecialK + limit FPS to half refresh rate -1 did the trick! Seems like GSync sets the refresh rate to the sim output - in my case 59 FPS - regardless of what the upscale / frame gen provides, which I suppose is to be expected. Disabling all DLSS features via SpecialK also reduces latency.
Seems I'll be able to hold off on buying a new graphics card for a good while still, lol. The other thing which should be mentioned is that if you cap your FPS to half your monitor refresh rate, you also save your GPU from a lot of strain. Yes, Lossless Scaling does add a bit of overhead to the card (I've tested and confirmed this multiple times), but if you cap at half of your monitor refresh rate the GPU actually gets some breathing room and stays surprisingly cool (and quiet). For someone like me who still runs an RX590 (yes, yes I know) and bog standard 60Hz monitor, this works a treat, even when bumping in-game settings to high or ultra in most cases (very little difference between medium and ultra settings if you ever care to compare, so my suggestion is to stay on high max). Anyway, just my 2 pennies. Thanks for the vid - helped me figure out what I was missing regarding the app setup.
First of all, thanks for your detailed and highly instructive video. You explained everything very well (as always) and your steps are easy to follow. I had been using DX12 with FG, and when it worked, it was great - but when it didn't, it was a disaster. Many times after moving around in DX12 (MSFS 'High' settings, i9-10850k, 4070ti) I would notice stutters. Not the kind that you say "oh darn, I'm getting stutters", but the kind where the game is literally unplayable (1 or 2 FPS at the most, very jarring). Oddly enough, I could temporarily clear it by going to Settings, changing something, then changing it right back, applying the 'non' change, then returning to the sim. Anyway, I'd been fighting that for months and assumed that if I wanted DX12 FG then that was the price I had to pay. On my first tries with LS, I stayed with DX12 and FG on. That was clearly a mistake for me as several times I locked up completely and the only way to clear it was to toggle the 'Scale' button in LS off and on. I then tried DX11 again with Ultra settings, and it works like a champ. My generic test is to land at KMIA with FSLTL running (150 IFR, so I'm getting a lot of planes). Under DX12 and FG, it was always a stutter fest. Using LS and DX11, I can run under Ultra and still have a nice experience with some minimal stuttering but nothing like DX12. i did notice that when on the MSFS screen, my mouse goes to about half the size as it does on the other screens and is harder to find. I didn't notice any settings on the LS app to adjust that - do you know of a way to make my mouse bigger? Thanks again for the great job. This app is well worth the money for me.
Jon, I've been playing around with the settings suggested in your video. I'm running 3 - 55" 60 hz native refresh Rate TVs on a RTX 4090 AND 4 additional displays on a second GPU RTX 2080TI (Yes, all on one PC (5800X3D). First, RT kills my performance when adjusting to 30 or 29 FPS. IF I zero it out I get 21/42. V-Sync off and still a little jerky. Also, The smoothness is really only noticable on my Center Screen (The one I select when "Scaling" is initiated. The Left and Right TVs are not as Smooth. With all that said the over all performance is better than without using LOSSLESS. Thanks for you efforts!
Thank you .. from what I've been hearing the scaling tool will only fg the main monitor or 1 monitor at a time and won't fg all monitors unfortunately.
There's lots of people out there who have different takes on settings you are the only one bar one who is spot on your take always turns out well I always look forward to you putting a new one out good man
I’ve tried to like this program over the past few months. Yes, it gives a smooth experience but the picture quality had glimmers and didn’t look as good. Plus having to hit my windows key to go to other monitors was a pain. It’s give and take. I’m sure some will love it especially if you don’t have top end hardware.
a couple things check my nvidia control panel guide, link in the description. then make sure to tick the multi monitor check box at 12:24 . but it still may be hit or miss for some people
I have a very annoying bug where lossless scaling makes the cursor vanish and I cant get it back except by scaling and turning it back on. This is really killing the enjoyment of using this with MSFS. I have 3 monitors. I only use the sim on the center 1440p Ultra wide while the 1080P monitors on the left and right handle other apps like Navigraph, FSLTL etc. Sometimes the cursor will vanish in the sim but be visible on the side monitors then sometimes it will be vice versa, be visible in sim but not on side monitors.
@@2020fsers Yeah I did thus my frustration. I have looked at several threads on Steam Forums and other places and I am not alone. This happens to others too and the creator even seemed to be puzzled that it was happening at all in one of the threads.
Awesome video very detailed. Thank you and 2 questions Is it work with 3 monitor? ( I do see you have 2) how to enable for all 3? And if my monitor 165HZ what should I enter at NVIDIA/Riva tuner?
Hi i am facing an issue when i limit framerate in riva app i think it also limits fps of lossless scaling app. It shows 29/29 fps on top left corner of game scree. How to solve this issue
In the Nvidia control panel regarding Microsoft flight simulator specifically make sure that you have Vsync set to application controlled. All of my other settings are the same that I go over in the Nvidia guide that's in the description. Yeah anyone with g-sync I recommend to keep that off as well I don't have a g-sync monitor so I can't test and comment but I would assume that you don't want to add any latency into the system so that's why vsync and g-sync should probably be turned off
It wasn't clear to me, as you demonstrated 144hz, but since you're using your Acer monitor too (limited to 60hz) do you normally have your Dell monitor set to 60hz to match the Acer? Also, Is this necessary if you don't plan to use more than one monitor for the simulator itself? For example, I like using my other monitors for other utilities while flying (like Little Nav Map, OBS, etc)... Would it be necessary for me to lower the refresh of the monitor I fly the simulator on, to match the other monitors, that are NOT being used by the simulator?
I don't use my second monitor for the simulator at all I mostly fly VR but yes if I were going to use both monitors I would limit my refresh rate so that both monitors are going to be the same. However if you're not going to use your secondary monitor for the simulator then the software is not Using frame generation on that monitor also in the user interface for the frame generation tool you can select which monitor you only want the frame generation to occur on which would probably be good in your situation so this way when you click off of your simulator onto your second monitor to use navigraph or something like that that it doesn't try to frame generation your your navigraph or anything on your secondary monitor. Then you would just need to adjust your refresh rate on the monitor that you're using for the simulator only as well as your capped frame rate you may also want to set a specific profile in the Riva tuner in your case as well so this way it doesn't limit your FPS on any of your other applications and you're only limiting it on Microsoft flight simulator.
On my side, I am quite satisfied with the free FSR3.1 mod coupled with Anti Aliasing mode "AMD FSR2 - Quality" (both AMD origin ==> best compatibility) . I also use FSLTL Traffic injector and the last MSFS Map Enhancement 8.0.8 with Google map. I am above 60 FPS whatever conditions (weather, airport etc.) with an RTX2060 - 12GB GPU and a AMD 5900X CPU. To get a crispy image I am not using GeForce Experience filters which are FPS greedy, just the anti aliasing above and the NVIDIA driver settings "Image Scaling - Sharpen at 100%" + "Anisotropic Filtering at 16" (and OFF in the MSFS general options to avoid double load) Note : I use 100% for Object and Terrain Level of Details and most of the rest in Ultra (specifically all the seven first parameters). I do not use MSI afterburner at all and run MSFS in DEVMODE with 2 monitors, i.e., 3840x1080 pxls (Half 4K) - VSYNC OFF Results are crispy and smooth as butter w/o any stuttering. Cheers
@@2020fsers My pleasure, I forgot to say that I boosted my CPU at a 4.950 GHz since most of the time I am limited by the main thread. This fact let me doubtful about upgrading my GPU to a 40 series : what do you think ? Kind regards
@@2020fsers you are right but the 4070 ti super is so attractive with its 256 bits bus, technologically speaking . It would provide even more fluidity using the bar option that I do not have on my Asus 2060 12G. But I am afraid to burn more watts...so I just keep an eye on potential opportunities pricewise.
@d.p.5874 if it were me and you didn't need the card I would wait for the 50 series and get that . It will be leaps ahead of the 4000 series and will last you longer for gaming. Also if you wanted to dabble in vr you will be able to . If not you will be able to play any game in 4k easily . Or o multi monitor . Even the 4090 can't push 3 4k monitors .
Can i limit fps to 20 in riva tuner and use 3x mode. Because in 2x mode when in a busy area my fps drops to twentyish and that will drop my lossless scaling app frames to below 60
I thought I'd try it out with my 4090 and 7800x3D. I think it's best to always test these things at heavy areas so I picked the ultimate: iniBuilds KJFK with TLOD set to 400 in the PMDG 737-800 Hovering right around 29-33 FPS. If I take TLOD down to 200 I gain maybe 2 or 3 FPS, nothing drastic. I'm probably gonna stick with regular FG in DX12. Edit: scratch that! I’ve re-enabled dx12 and FG and G-sync…but! I enabled lossless scaler and holy crap it works! I was showing 154FPS at JFK. I limited to 50 fps and wow…😮
How to solve the problem with inscriptions jerking on liveries? My plane is also flickering. The 165Hz screen limited frames from 80 to 40. The problem does not go away
At my end if I set multi monitor to OFF I lose mouse pointer when I travel to the second monitor which I use for Navigraph and etc.(not MSFS). With the setting turned ON everything is OK.
So i have a triple monitor set up, and it seems like the dlss frame gen didnt do much but make game have ghosting. The frame rate barely changed (50 to 60ish, no matter im in frame gen or not). Im tempted to do this in hopes that it works better...
@2020fsers you're kidding. I thought you said yours did it on yours with your two monitor set up. Thank you, you've saved me time and money! Is that, perhaps, why it doesn't seem to do diddly with frame gen in game, too?
@skippychurch2965 yeah indidnt notice until after because my main monitor was good but my side had a little lag which couldn't be seen in the video . After talking to more people only the screen that showed the fps is the screen that is using lossless scaling ... makes sense to
Which Nvidia driver you recommend? I’m on an Asus 4090 using the driver that came with it 9 months ago, but it’s time to try out Nvidia filters and this driver doesn’t support it. Thanks for any advice .. and your channel 👍
I tried it, but when I'm Airborne with the fenix a320 I have stutters at certain times. I think it is the CPU usage that together with the fenix software and the simulator is not enough.
yes the fenix is a big draw ... the idea is that you balance your settings first with this video ruclips.net/video/VY5jloE27mU/видео.html then use the scaling tool maybe that will help
Thanks a lot for the video! But i have a question. When i activate SLC or Pacx (passenger programs) i get stuttering. Otherwise it works flawlessly. Do you have any suggestion?
I‘m using two screens and sometimes lossless scaling seems to crash, completely freezing the main screen. Not even shutting down lls or the sim works in this case, it seems like the gpu output is then somehow broken. I need to restart the Pc when this happens. Anyone else? Any suggestions?
Thanks for the video...been looking at this application but I don't do anything like this until I get your input. Question...I use the Auto FPS App and wonder should I still use it after setting this up? If so what FPS target in the Auto FPS App should I go for. I have my monitor set at 60 hz refresh rate (it can go to 144 but I know with my set up that would not be realistic) and also cap it at 60 hz in Riva. I then set the Auto FPS Target PC FPS for 40 and it runs very well. Thanks for your input. Garry
@@2020fsers I just set mine up this way. It was working great with X2, but I saw this post and thought what the heck, give it a try, and it is smoother still using X3. Can see the results for sure in the cockpit moving around. I have been messing with these settings now for 3 hours after watching your video. You really have to play around till it satisfies you. Thanks again.
I use the fenix and i get like 38fps in the sim with 144hz monitor what would be the best thing to adjust or use on the lossless scaling. I get lots of laggy movement when i look around in the cockpit
@2020fsers, I installed the Riva Tuner, on my desktop, and when i click it to open it, it just wants, to re-install it, and does not open it, anyway, YOU can help me, with this problem, it should just open up the application, Thanks, in advance.
I love it, but I do have a one small problem, when I activate it I can’t move the mouse cursor from one screen to another with hitting the window button?
So out of curiousity, my laptop is 60 hertz for refresh rate (I know I need to upgrade soon). What would the frame rate be for me to cap at? With lossless running it is not receiving a boost. Thanks!
Works beautifully, but now I need to figure out how to use SLC and FSHud ATC with it. They overlay and even if I put them on other monitors, they kill the performance gain.
@@2020fsers I did, I have it set for my ultra widescreen, but regardless of what I do with SLC or FSHud, they are still in overlay mode and so has the issue with performance degradation that you mentioned, even if I move them to other monitors.
Hi, this was a great video. I don't know what I should set my fps cap because I have a 165hz monitor, my sim cannot natively sustain 53fps(165/3) so what should I set my fps cap to? Thanks appreciate it!
Thank you for this video! Yesterday I installed LostLess scaling with no problem. A bit later I downloaded the Riva utility, however I couldn't open the interface once I installed the program. As a result I couldn't try either program. There is an updated version available of LossLess. The biggest issue I have is trying to get FSFS to load up quicker. There isn't very much in my community folder since I am using the Linker program. My internet speed is about 1 gig. It can take 4 to 5 minutes for FSFS to load on my system. I have removed aircraft and etc that arent being used. I noticed ysterday I can't access the Market place, no idea why. Your feedback is welcome. Thank you!
I have NVIDIA 4090 with monitor resolution 5120X1440 and native refresh rate of 240 Hz. Is it still necessary to limit my frame rate to around 119 fps? I suppose that even with loss less scaling X2, I would never reach 240 fps. Further consider the maximum frame rate that I have reached before was not more than 100 fps. In case may I limit the FPS from nvidia panel control? Thank you
You may wany to try the x3 method then. The goal is to equal the refresh rate so you may want to lower the refresh rate of your monitor to something under 240
I followed these tips and man, I got the smoothest flight ever with the Fenix A320 yesterday. However, I went for a flight today and I dont know why, but with the same setup, it was all laggy and I felt like I had 20 fps. It wasn't smooth at all compared to yesterday. The settings are all the same, I don't know what happened here, anyone here has experienced this?
possible server issue with msfs. sometimes it happens some days its great no stutters and some days its a lot of stutters . the only way to tell is to turn off bing maps and photogrammetry and try it with all the online stuff off . if it works well then thats the issue the msfs servers.
also if you turn off the lossless scaling you can test that as well if that is full of stutters then it will parlay that into the scaling app . if the info stops flowing then you get the lags no matter how much frame interpolation that you use .
@@2020fsers I never thought about MSFS servers issues, that's interesting. I did turn on and off Lossless Scaling and it was still full of stutters. I'll try it again and keep you updated, thanks a lot mate!
Hi, just one question. I have "Max Frame Rate=75Hz" (My monitor's refresh rate) in the Global Settings, what about the Simulator Settings inside the NVIDIA Control Panel? Before the Riva Tuner I set it to 35, but I'm not sure if I have to turn it OFF and use the Riva Tuner instead. Nice video indeed, this app is a game changer.
do not use max frame rate in the nvidia panel if you are using rivatuner . turn any nvidia frame caps off and only use rivatuner if that is your frame cap program of choice if you want to use nvidia frame cap then dont use the riva tuner.
Have problem with lossless Scaling. It is not showing the fps in MSFS. I have set up everything as said in the video. I have 2 monitors both 60 Hz on fore MSFS and the second one for MSFS apps.Have tried with Multi-display mode on and off and I have Draw FPS on Hope to get some help🙂
you release very helpful videos. QQ I see this thin fuzzy layer around the edges off the aircraft. I am running a 60hz monitor my frame rates is half to 29 in the RTSSS tool. any reasons around the fuzziness
do you only see the fuzzines when using the scaling app? if you are using the scaling mode in the tool turn it off and try again ,Example: if using amd fsr turn off it could be the scaling method dosent like your monitor.
@@2020fsers I have a 7900 XT AMD and I am lost when you used the Nvidia control panel. I got all set but that’s confuses me and dont know what to tweak on the AMD adrenaline software
Amazing! Thank you for the vid. The only thing that I have noticed is that the colors are terrible when my TV display is set to HDR on. I'll have to see if there is a fix for this.
Hi i'm encountering several problems with lossless scaling, i Hope you are going to be able to help me. I have a Ryzen 5 5500 and a rtx4060, i've followed all the steps but unless i put "performance on" it lags so much that makes the game unplayble. Another problem i have is that sometimes the sim just freezes and on the screen I have a freezed screen but on background the sim continues to run correctly. This happens also after i close lossless scaling, the only way to solve this is to close the sim, it is so annoying i hope you can help🙏🏻
thats a great question i would probably use it off but i dont have a gsync monitor so i cant say for sure .. try both and go with what looks better and less lag and let me know what you find i would appreciate it.
the frame gen can be used on 4000 cards but not to be used with the frame gen available for the 4000 cards 1 or the other. personally i use a 4080super and i do not like dx12 which is needed for frame gen on the 4000 cards so using this allows me to use dx11 and frame gen .
Hmm that's is a gamble my gut says no but it may be better than the quality you have now but may still not be perfect. If you have 5 to spare try it but it's 50/50
Great videos as always!! Followed all steps however when enabling lossless scaling my sim turns into a different color as if it had several exaggerated filters. Tried a bunch of stuff and can't figure it out. Any help is greatly appreciated..... thanks !
@@2020fsers EDIT: problem solved by turning off HDR mode in Windows11! Same problem as above over here. Turning on the HDR slider results in a black screen. Using a 4070 Super.
For Loseless App, you have set Vsync to fast in nvidia control panel. So it means that i should turn off Vsync for the game itself from nvidia control panel?
I would love to completely test the software. But I presume those that are complaining they can't move the mouse to a second or third monitor like me, is because we are using those monitors to run our other programs and not a multi monitor setup.. I for example am running Navirgraph, Airmanager, Beyond ATC, Volanta. All on 2 other monitors and unfortunately can't move my mouse to any of the other screens with LScaling is running. Unless there is a setting or solution I don't yet know about or missed?
@@2020fsers Thank you so much. It was setup that way, but did not work. I decided to give it one last try again now. Cleared all settings and redid them and the mouse is working now. I am very happy. 🤓🤦♂
@@2020fsers At least I can go through your video step by step now and test it fully. I already tested quickly and definitely have a difference. Thank you.
Thanks for the Video. I have a Problem with LS that after several times it starts to get stuttering altough the FPS are the same. I can only get rid of them by pressing Alt+Enter twice. Then it is smooth again for a few moments
Excellent tutorial ! but at this stage I'm not confident to install it. Could someone please explain in detail how I would go about implementing this setup to my system. I'm running 3 x 4K 55" monitors (each have a refresh rate of 60 Hz) PC - i9 13900K & RTX 4090, at the moment I'm getting an average FPS of 42 using Nvidia DLSS3 which is set at Quality in MSFS settings also driving a 4th monitor on same PC which handles a pop-out panel. I would love to get extra FPS for smoothness but until I feel confident to implement Lossless Scaling to the system I would dearly love one of Guys to give me a full explanation. I know the video touches on multi monitors albeit 2. Anyone Please .....
Hi thanx for the vid. The result of this tool is only applicable to the main monitor/TV. I have to TVs that both can do 120hz. Main can double its FPS bit not the 2nd one. This has always been the case with frame gen. If you find a way that works on all monitors/TV that would be fantastic
How do you know that the second monitor is not doubling its frame rate because the frame rate counter is on your main monitor so how are you able to calculate that?
Hi Mate, I follow all your videos, I’m confused, I run a 4070ti with a 10700k gsync monitor 165hz, I use the settings in your old videos on nvidias control panel, vsync set to fast and the number 1 below, works a treat, so following this video do I disable the fast option in the nvidia control panel and just go with your river tuna settings?
Ok what you would do is disable the vsync in the msfs program specific settings in the nvidia panel and set to application controlled. Only set fast vsync in the lossless scaling program specific settings like I show Here . You may also want to turn off gsync but try both on and off.
@@2020fsers Thank you so Much, I followed your advice, although I’ve turned vsync off in msfs, nvidia control panel msfs settings and just use it through lossless scaling in the nvidia app, set my monitor to 162 hz out of 165 on the control panel and capped it to 81 frames in rivatuner and lossless scaling works like a dream “4070ti, 10700k” I did buy and try this app before your video a few weeks ago and it worked terrible so again thank you, without your video I’ve never have gone back to it, I can now run FSTL traffic injector at 100% also
I will Also add to that incase anyone with similar specs wants to try it I still run dx12 in the sim with frame generation on and set to TAA. Terrain level of detail set to 150, Object level of detail to 200 And everything else set to as high as possible, I did find my upping my TLOD to 200 yesterday with lossless scaling on it still felt abit jittery so went back to 150
@@2020fsers Thank you Sir what you’ve done for my sim and the community is brilliant, Many Thanks ,,, I’ll just add to the above I done a 60 minute test flight tonight, all was perfect except it seems Lossless Scaling Hates the GSX passengers, once the passengers were boarding my fenix it came to a freeze, literally, each and every time, so whilst there boarding / sitting In there seats with the cockpit door open I disable it, then once ready to fly I close the cockpit door and enable it again, not sure if you’ve came across this yet but if you ever know of a fix I’m all ears :)
Ok in this case it's a little different and some trial and error . If you only have a 75hz monitor then try 30 fps using x2 mode . Do you have 100 hz? If so try 30 in x3 mode that will get closer to 100 than x2 and 75hz.
Greetings 2020 FS'ers Thanks for the vidz you guys produce. Are you guys able to do videos that help persons who use AMD instead of nVIDIA cards please? It would be nice to see the two sides of the coin. thanks in advance.
How is your performance with this in Glass cockpit aircraft? I’ve seen other people use it but you still get that lag/ghosting on a PFD when it comes to the speed and altitude
the issue is ive seen so many tutorials on this and everyone is different lol so my guess is lots of people are using diff settings leading to some issues and not for others. they may also be using overlays which causes issues and everyones system is different from hardware to software , so you may get a completely different result than someone with the same specs.
@@2020fsers well I guess I need to find out what this will be like because I have yet to test. I’ve just been hesitant because of what I said before. My monitor refresh rate is 144hz and I achieve 40-50fps pretty easily. I’ve been using AutoFPS lately to keep the sim smooth but maybe lossless scaling is better for me.
I need some help! When I turn on lossless scaling my picture becomes very harsh in contrast and super intensity colors. Doesn't matter if I'm in the sim or just watching this RUclips video it's basically not usable. My monitor's native resolution is 3840 x 1600 @ 144hz. It does this regardless of whether I trigger the program via hotkey or just pressing the scale button. My Nvidia control panel is set as recommended and I've turned off DLSS and FrameGen in the sim. GSync is on but that's just about tearing right? The screen becomes way oversaturated colors and contrast when turned on. I wish I could attach a pic. 3080 Ti, i7-13700K, 32gb RAM. Any suggestions?
@@2020fsers Well, my HDR is turned on in Windows 11 but when I try to start up MSFS with all my new Nvidia CP settings I get a CTD with a DXGI_Error_Device Hung message so I've obviously got bigger problems than HDR! But thank you very much for your prompt response. I'll report back if I'm able to resolve any of my issues thanks again
Okay, I seem to have everything resolved by turning OFF HDR in Windows 11 settings and then turning on Lossless scaling has no appearance degradation. Thanks again for your help!
riva tuner is completely limiting my fps, I turn on riva tuner for 30fps and I turn on FG and am getting 30fps natively and only getting 30 from Lossless scaling. I am using an AMD GPU I dont know if that has anything to do with it. I remove the limit on my fps and get around 50fps natively and get 90 or so in lossless scaling. Can someone help me bc rivatuner is completely limithing my fps.
ok in your case you can try a couple options . if using x2 mode use 75hz and cap at 36 using dxgi it should auto interpolate down to 60 fps because thats all you can achieve in the sim the cap will only prevent you from exceeding your refresh rate of the monitor if your fps should spike. or you can try x3 mode using 100htz refresh rate on your monitor cap in sim to 32 using x3 mode . if that is sloppy then same x3 29 fps cap and 75htz refresh you dont want to cap your fps at 25 it may not be good but you can try it. i hope 1 of those works for you please let me know. DXGI only in your case
@@2020fsers just wasn't sure if your recommendations from your other video applied here too. great thanks, finally got all the gears working together and the sim has never been smoother!!! dialing my 165hz monitor down to 144hz really did the trick for me (I guess it's a bit easier to handle for my system). performance was always good here, but now the (micro)stutters are gone too. your videos really help out a lot, thanks and keep it up!
Hey, thanks for the video! Actually helped me out a lot. Only issue I am facing is that FSHud on screen is blurry/seeing it twice laid on top of each other. Do you have a fix for this? It only seems to happen with FSHud
@@2020fsers I flew into Burbank with 200 TLOD and 200 OLOD and even though the game framerate was in the teens as expected, with 2x, I'm at a comfortable 30+ landing in LA. That's a good day! Now hopefully someone can figure out how to capture the smoothness in OBS and how to use overlays like SLC with it.
@@2020fsers I hope so. I've been running into issues with LUVCARS (for Southwest Virtual) co-pilot not communicating with me when I'm running FG. I'll have to do a flight today with no FG to see if it is a problem with that (not sure why) or if it is just a ccnnection issue.
Unfortunately, my screen freezes but the sim does not CTD. I can press the windows button to come out, press unscale and get the screen back to normal, however moments after scaling again, the screen freezes once more. I followed each setting. RTX 4080 x i7-13700K. (Yes my GPU is more powerful than it's CPU counterpart.) I have an HP 165hz monitor without G-Sync compatibility. Aside from the screen freeze, it is indeed smooth with low latency. Someone please help me lol
@2020fsers Yup. In the "Set up G-SYNC" tab in the Nvidia Control Panel, I have the HP X34 monitor unselected bc under the "3. Display Specific Settings", it says "Selected display is not validated as G-SYNC compatible. Will continue to test and double check settings. All is well except for the random screen freezing. So close to perfection now😂🙈
******************UPDATE FOR X3 FRAME GEN MODE************************* sorry i forgot this part
When using X3 mode you need to make sure that you set your frame cap accordingly as well as your refresh rate for the monitor. Like I explained in the video if you are a user that can get 40 FPS Natively and you do not have an 80 hertz option for your refresh rate for the monitor and you do not want to drop down to 60 hertz then what you could do in this situation is to use 40fps As your cap and then use the times three mode and set your screen refresh rate to 120 hertz. If you have a 240hz monitor and can get 80fps natively in the sim then x3 will be good there also , set your fps to 79cap Or drop your refresh of the monitor to 160hz and set x3 mode and use 52fps cap. So as you can see the X3 mode can come in handy for those people who are getting between 30 and 60 FPS and have a higher Refresh rate monitor. X3 mode make sure that you set your frame cap to at least 1/3 of your refresh rate that you set in your Nvidia control panel And like I showed in the video I like to go one step farther and just reduce that FPS by one. The closer you keep your interpolated fps to the set refresh of the monitor the smoother it will be And to do that you want to make sure that You do not fall below your capped frame rate but as long as you are using dxgi capture method and if you do fall below your cap frame rate dxgi should interpolate lower for you and it really shouldn't make that much of a difference.
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@2020fsers tengo un monitor 16:9 de 60 Hz y los fps hasta ahora los había puesto a 27 fps con Auto FPS con TLOD al máximo en casi todos los escenarios salvo ciudades muy grandes o aeropuertos la simulación es fluida. La pregunta es: Que configuración debo proporcionar con este programa y generación de cuadros? o este programa tiene generación de cuadros también?
Can confirm - this works a treat for MSFS. Game changer for me. All Ultra settings in-sim, FSLTL at Max and it's as smooth as silk.
awesome thanks for the comment !
can you help me set it up pls
what are your pc specs?
you could be easy happy easy with a 1060 and i5 2600 I guess then.
What are your Pc specs?
Game changer! I’m now completly maxed out Ultra, etc. on my 3090Ti on an ASUS 41.5” 3840x2160 @120hz and getting 60-89 FPS at KSFO. Without LS I’m getting 30ish with a mix of high/Ultra. Thanks for the awesome videos!
Your welcome thanks for the comment 👍 😀
AT LONG LAST, your the only place I've managed to find out about using this with VR, I had the same results...everything got a whole lot worst. Keep up your great videos.
Thank you 😊
My god, never in my life have I played MSFS at 60fps -- it's almost uncanny. Can't thank you enough this is amazing.
Fantastic, glad it helped . Thanks for the comment
whats your gpu?
I have a 4080super
Vsync to fast was a really help for me. Thanks for this tutorial. This app is magic.
Yes they also just added x4 option
Thank you for being the first you tuber to state up front this is not for VR in the title. Good job!
Your welcome .. time is valuable and I don't wanna waste your time .thank you for the comment .
@@2020fsers There is something like for VR users?
@The_Fabio_Fernandes no unfortunately not
This thing brought back the enjoyment for MFS, at least in my case.
thanks for the comment !
@@2020fsers My Pleasure.
Thank you so much for noting the *_No VR_* caveat right in the title. That's a first in the MSFS 2020 tutorial space!
I'm watching it, anyway, because of that courtesy, even though I fly exclusively in VR.
thank you im not trying to waist your time thinking that it will make vr better lol at least it didnt for me .. i also put another easter egg in the thumbnail...
i also always fly vr unless doing a tutorial, theres nothing like it until you get into a real plane that is.
@@2020fsers Hmmm...can't resolve the thumbnail enough to see/read an easter egg. Low-rez...
@@2020fsers Next up on my watch list...your video on VR settings. :)
You may need to use a monitor to see it lol
@@imacmill if you have a pimax headset i have specific vids for that
Been waiting for this.
The most comprehensive guide to LS on YT.
Great job, mate. Thank you!
You're welcome I appreciate the comment
Great work! However - as others have pointed out - GSync enabled gives horrendous input lag, at least on my machine (4090 7800X3D LG42 4K HDR 120hz monitor). I tried disabling GSync altogether, and disabling it for MSFS and Upscale, but still the lag was insane when enabling RTSS. Since I’m an HDR user as well as a heavy X-Plane user, I’ve dug around for methods to improve HDR in X-Plane (as it doesn’t support HDR in the true sense), and landed on SpesialK, which also features a FrameRateLimiter, and a lot of customizable controls to tweak stuff in order to reduce latency. Long story short: Disabling GSync via SpecialK + limit FPS to half refresh rate -1 did the trick! Seems like GSync sets the refresh rate to the sim output - in my case 59 FPS - regardless of what the upscale / frame gen provides, which I suppose is to be expected. Disabling all DLSS features via SpecialK also reduces latency.
Thanks very much for the tip
Super helpfull!! With your indepth tutorial lossless scaling works. Thanks!
Awesome thanks for the comment
Seems I'll be able to hold off on buying a new graphics card for a good while still, lol. The other thing which should be mentioned is that if you cap your FPS to half your monitor refresh rate, you also save your GPU from a lot of strain. Yes, Lossless Scaling does add a bit of overhead to the card (I've tested and confirmed this multiple times), but if you cap at half of your monitor refresh rate the GPU actually gets some breathing room and stays surprisingly cool (and quiet). For someone like me who still runs an RX590 (yes, yes I know) and bog standard 60Hz monitor, this works a treat, even when bumping in-game settings to high or ultra in most cases (very little difference between medium and ultra settings if you ever care to compare, so my suggestion is to stay on high max). Anyway, just my 2 pennies. Thanks for the vid - helped me figure out what I was missing regarding the app setup.
Thanks for the comment 👍 😀
First of all, thanks for your detailed and highly instructive video. You explained everything very well (as always) and your steps are easy to follow. I had been using DX12 with FG, and when it worked, it was great - but when it didn't, it was a disaster. Many times after moving around in DX12 (MSFS 'High' settings, i9-10850k, 4070ti) I would notice stutters. Not the kind that you say "oh darn, I'm getting stutters", but the kind where the game is literally unplayable (1 or 2 FPS at the most, very jarring). Oddly enough, I could temporarily clear it by going to Settings, changing something, then changing it right back, applying the 'non' change, then returning to the sim. Anyway, I'd been fighting that for months and assumed that if I wanted DX12 FG then that was the price I had to pay.
On my first tries with LS, I stayed with DX12 and FG on. That was clearly a mistake for me as several times I locked up completely and the only way to clear it was to toggle the 'Scale' button in LS off and on. I then tried DX11 again with Ultra settings, and it works like a champ. My generic test is to land at KMIA with FSLTL running (150 IFR, so I'm getting a lot of planes). Under DX12 and FG, it was always a stutter fest. Using LS and DX11, I can run under Ultra and still have a nice experience with some minimal stuttering but nothing like DX12.
i did notice that when on the MSFS screen, my mouse goes to about half the size as it does on the other screens and is harder to find. I didn't notice any settings on the LS app to adjust that - do you know of a way to make my mouse bigger? Thanks again for the great job. This app is well worth the money for me.
Thanks for the comment . Try the mouse clipping option or test the other mouse options maybe they will help that.
Jon, I've been playing around with the settings suggested in your video. I'm running 3 - 55" 60 hz native refresh Rate TVs on a RTX 4090 AND 4 additional displays on a second GPU RTX 2080TI (Yes, all on one PC (5800X3D). First, RT kills my performance when adjusting to 30 or 29 FPS. IF I zero it out I get 21/42. V-Sync off and still a little jerky. Also, The smoothness is really only noticable on my Center Screen (The one I select when "Scaling" is initiated. The Left and Right TVs are not as Smooth. With all that said the over all performance is better than without using LOSSLESS. Thanks for you efforts!
Thank you .. from what I've been hearing the scaling tool will only fg the main monitor or 1 monitor at a time and won't fg all monitors unfortunately.
There's lots of people out there who have different takes on settings you are the only one bar one who is spot on your take always turns out well I always look forward to you putting a new one out good man
Thanks so much glad it helped 😊
Welcome Back! Thank you!
You're welcome thanks for the Comment
I’ve tried to like this program over the past few months. Yes, it gives a smooth experience but the picture quality had glimmers and didn’t look as good. Plus having to hit my windows key to go to other monitors was a pain. It’s give and take. I’m sure some will love it especially if you don’t have top end hardware.
a couple things check my nvidia control panel guide, link in the description. then make sure to tick the multi monitor check box at 12:24 . but it still may be hit or miss for some people
Amazing again!! ! Thank you very very much, dude! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
your welcome thanks for the comment !
I have a very annoying bug where lossless scaling makes the cursor vanish and I cant get it back except by scaling and turning it back on. This is really killing the enjoyment of using this with MSFS. I have 3 monitors. I only use the sim on the center 1440p Ultra wide while the 1080P monitors on the left and right handle other apps like Navigraph, FSLTL etc. Sometimes the cursor will vanish in the sim but be visible on the side monitors then sometimes it will be vice versa, be visible in sim but not on side monitors.
Did you turn on the muti monitor slider I the ui of lossless scaling
@@2020fsers Yeah I did thus my frustration. I have looked at several threads on Steam Forums and other places and I am not alone. This happens to others too and the creator even seemed to be puzzled that it was happening at all in one of the threads.
@CaptainKMan I'm not sure then
Very good video. All explained very well
Thank you 😊
Awesome video very detailed. Thank you and 2 questions
Is it work with 3 monitor? ( I do see you have 2) how to enable for all 3?
And if my monitor 165HZ what should I enter at NVIDIA/Riva tuner?
It does not fg 3 monitors only 1. For 165 hz if you can get a sustained 55 fps use that with x3 mode .
Hi i am facing an issue when i limit framerate in riva app i think it also limits fps of lossless scaling app. It shows 29/29 fps on top left corner of game scree. How to solve this issue
create a profile in the riva tuner specifically for msfs and dont use global
Thanks. Big thumbs up. Did you change anything in the NVCP regarding MSFS or VSYNC? Also, I heard LS doesn't play nice with G-Sync.
In the Nvidia control panel regarding Microsoft flight simulator specifically make sure that you have Vsync set to application controlled. All of my other settings are the same that I go over in the Nvidia guide that's in the description. Yeah anyone with g-sync I recommend to keep that off as well I don't have a g-sync monitor so I can't test and comment but I would assume that you don't want to add any latency into the system so that's why vsync and g-sync should probably be turned off
It wasn't clear to me, as you demonstrated 144hz, but since you're using your Acer monitor too (limited to 60hz) do you normally have your Dell monitor set to 60hz to match the Acer? Also, Is this necessary if you don't plan to use more than one monitor for the simulator itself? For example, I like using my other monitors for other utilities while flying (like Little Nav Map, OBS, etc)... Would it be necessary for me to lower the refresh of the monitor I fly the simulator on, to match the other monitors, that are NOT being used by the simulator?
I don't use my second monitor for the simulator at all I mostly fly VR but yes if I were going to use both monitors I would limit my refresh rate so that both monitors are going to be the same. However if you're not going to use your secondary monitor for the simulator then the software is not Using frame generation on that monitor also in the user interface for the frame generation tool you can select which monitor you only want the frame generation to occur on which would probably be good in your situation so this way when you click off of your simulator onto your second monitor to use navigraph or something like that that it doesn't try to frame generation your your navigraph or anything on your secondary monitor. Then you would just need to adjust your refresh rate on the monitor that you're using for the simulator only as well as your capped frame rate you may also want to set a specific profile in the Riva tuner in your case as well so this way it doesn't limit your FPS on any of your other applications and you're only limiting it on Microsoft flight simulator.
@@2020fsers thank you for the in-depth clarification!
Your welcome
On my side, I am quite satisfied with the free FSR3.1 mod coupled with Anti Aliasing mode "AMD FSR2 - Quality" (both AMD origin ==> best compatibility) .
I also use FSLTL Traffic injector and the last MSFS Map Enhancement 8.0.8 with Google map.
I am above 60 FPS whatever conditions (weather, airport etc.) with an RTX2060 - 12GB GPU and a AMD 5900X CPU.
To get a crispy image I am not using GeForce Experience filters which are FPS greedy, just the anti aliasing above and the NVIDIA driver settings "Image Scaling - Sharpen at 100%" + "Anisotropic Filtering at 16" (and OFF in the MSFS general options to avoid double load)
Note : I use 100% for Object and Terrain Level of Details and most of the rest in Ultra (specifically all the seven first parameters).
I do not use MSI afterburner at all and run MSFS in DEVMODE with 2 monitors, i.e., 3840x1080 pxls (Half 4K) - VSYNC OFF
Results are crispy and smooth as butter w/o any stuttering.
Cheers
thanks for the info
@@2020fsers My pleasure, I forgot to say that I boosted my CPU at a 4.950 GHz since most of the time I am limited by the main thread. This fact let me doubtful about upgrading my GPU to a 40 series : what do you think ? Kind regards
@d.p.5874 no need to upgrade u less you have to . Don't fix what isn't broken
@@2020fsers you are right but the 4070 ti super is so attractive with its 256 bits bus, technologically speaking . It would provide even more fluidity using the bar option that I do not have on my Asus 2060 12G. But I am afraid to burn more watts...so I just keep an eye on potential opportunities pricewise.
@d.p.5874 if it were me and you didn't need the card I would wait for the 50 series and get that . It will be leaps ahead of the 4000 series and will last you longer for gaming. Also if you wanted to dabble in vr you will be able to . If not you will be able to play any game in 4k easily . Or o multi monitor . Even the 4090 can't push 3 4k monitors .
Can i limit fps to 20 in riva tuner and use 3x mode. Because in 2x mode when in a busy area my fps drops to twentyish and that will drop my lossless scaling app frames to below 60
I wouldn't limit your frame rate that low try 3x using your current limit it might be able to handle that
I thought I'd try it out with my 4090 and 7800x3D. I think it's best to always test these things at heavy areas so I picked the ultimate:
iniBuilds KJFK with TLOD set to 400 in the PMDG 737-800
Hovering right around 29-33 FPS. If I take TLOD down to 200 I gain maybe 2 or 3 FPS, nothing drastic. I'm probably gonna stick with regular FG in DX12.
Edit: scratch that! I’ve re-enabled dx12 and FG and G-sync…but! I enabled lossless scaler and holy crap it works! I was showing 154FPS at JFK. I limited to 50 fps and wow…😮
Awesome glad it works for you
How to solve the problem with inscriptions jerking on liveries? My plane is also flickering. The 165Hz screen limited frames from 80 to 40. The problem does not go away
BRUH!!!!!!!!!!!! this actually works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I normally dont comment on video =O
Hey thanks for the comment glad it helped 😀
At my end if I set multi monitor to OFF I lose mouse pointer when I travel to the second monitor which I use for Navigraph and etc.(not MSFS). With the setting turned ON everything is OK.
Yes I went over that in the video and I believe the 12:24 mark if you have multi-monitors make sure that you turn on that little checkbox
@@2020fsers Thank you :)
So i have a triple monitor set up, and it seems like the dlss frame gen didnt do much but make game have ghosting. The frame rate barely changed (50 to 60ish, no matter im in frame gen or not). Im tempted to do this in hopes that it works better...
This will not give you fram gen on all monitors unfortunately only 1
@2020fsers you're kidding. I thought you said yours did it on yours with your two monitor set up. Thank you, you've saved me time and money! Is that, perhaps, why it doesn't seem to do diddly with frame gen in game, too?
@skippychurch2965 yeah indidnt notice until after because my main monitor was good but my side had a little lag which couldn't be seen in the video . After talking to more people only the screen that showed the fps is the screen that is using lossless scaling ... makes sense to
Should probably change the title, then, since it doesn't work on multi monitor after all
@skippychurch2965 done
Which Nvidia driver you recommend? I’m on an Asus 4090 using the driver that came with it 9 months ago, but it’s time to try out Nvidia filters and this driver doesn’t support it. Thanks for any advice .. and your channel 👍
i personally use the latest driver 555.99 but using the studio driver .
Hi is the lossless scaling is meant for the steam version of the MSFS 2020 only or also for the store version?
It's used for any game or sim purchased on steam or from the developer.
If you watch the video I answered that question about 1 minute and 20 seconds in
I tried it, but when I'm Airborne with the fenix a320 I have stutters at certain times. I think it is the CPU usage that together with the fenix software and the simulator is not enough.
yes the fenix is a big draw ... the idea is that you balance your settings first with this video ruclips.net/video/VY5jloE27mU/видео.html then use the scaling tool maybe that will help
Thanks a lot for the video! But i have a question. When i activate SLC or Pacx (passenger programs) i get stuttering. Otherwise it works flawlessly. Do you have any suggestion?
Yes try and alt enter over the msfs window . Switch back and forth between windowed mode and full screen and see if that fixes it
@@2020fsers Thanks a lot for your anwer. I will give it a try.
I‘m using two screens and sometimes lossless scaling seems to crash, completely freezing the main screen. Not even shutting down lls or the sim works in this case, it seems like the gpu output is then somehow broken. I need to restart the Pc when this happens. Anyone else? Any suggestions?
Haven't had that issue . Set the ui lossless to scale your main monitor and not auto see if that helps
I dont know but when it happends try to press win+ctrl+shift+b
Mine isn't work, when it scales everything gets dark and grainy. im running 1440p 165hz
Thanks for the video...been looking at this application but I don't do anything like this until I get your input. Question...I use the Auto FPS App and wonder should I still use it after setting this up? If so what FPS target in the Auto FPS App should I go for. I have my monitor set at 60 hz refresh rate (it can go to 144 but I know with my set up that would not be realistic) and also cap it at 60 hz in Riva. I then set the Auto FPS Target PC FPS for 40 and it runs very well. Thanks for your input.
Garry
Hey Garry do you have a 120hz option? If so and you get steady fps at 40 . Cap your fps on 40 and use x3 mode to interpolate to 120.
You can still use auto.fps
@@2020fsers Great…thanks.
@@2020fsers I just set mine up this way. It was working great with X2, but I saw this post and thought what the heck, give it a try, and it is smoother still using X3. Can see the results for sure in the cockpit moving around. I have been messing with these settings now for 3 hours after watching your video. You really have to play around till it satisfies you. Thanks again.
@@2020fsersI’ll look and try it if I can.
I use the fenix and i get like 38fps in the sim with 144hz monitor what would be the best thing to adjust or use on the lossless scaling. I get lots of laggy movement when i look around in the cockpit
If you have 120 mhz try that and cap at 40 using x3 mode .
Hmm, when I activate it, my colours go beserk, Similar to when I 1st set up HDR.
Ok tick the hdr slider in the ui of the lossless scaling tool then try it again
Thanks so much for your video. Stupid question: why don't you limit fps inside FS2020 instead via RivaTuner?
Not a stupid question.. the only way I know to limit fps in the sim is vsync and I explained why vsync is not good to use with lossless scaling .
@@2020fsers Thank you very much, clear!
@2020fsers, I installed the Riva Tuner, on my desktop, and when i click it to open it, it just wants, to re-install it, and does not open it, anyway, YOU can help me, with this problem, it should just open up the application, Thanks, in advance.
Makensure you are not clicking on the Install exe . When it opens it will be in your task manager lower right .
@@2020fsers How do I manually find the file, to make sure I don't do that, how to find 'open files"?
When you install it it asks if you want to put a shortcut on the desktop choose yes
I love it, but I do have a one small problem, when I activate it I can’t move the mouse cursor from one screen to another with hitting the window button?
in the video go to 12:24
So out of curiousity, my laptop is 60 hertz for refresh rate (I know I need to upgrade soon). What would the frame rate be for me to cap at? With lossless running it is not receiving a boost. Thanks!
Cap at 29 . Using x2 mode
Works beautifully, but now I need to figure out how to use SLC and FSHud ATC with it. They overlay and even if I put them on other monitors, they kill the performance gain.
In the ui set the screen you want the fg to be on this may help .
@@2020fsers I did, I have it set for my ultra widescreen, but regardless of what I do with SLC or FSHud, they are still in overlay mode and so has the issue with performance degradation that you mentioned, even if I move them to other monitors.
My only question would be can you just use the free software that you talk about in the video or do you have to have both of them to make it work
The Riva tuner application is only used to cap your frames it's not going to add frame generation like the lossless scaling application does
@@2020fsers ok
Don't know about Nvidia filters but I can say that using Re-Shade has no performance impact.
ok awesome thank you so much for the info!
Hi, this was a great video. I don't know what I should set my fps cap because I have a 165hz monitor, my sim cannot natively sustain 53fps(165/3) so what should I set my fps cap to? Thanks appreciate it!
What other refresh rates does your monitor support
hello, one question when using Lossless scaling do i have disable G-sync for my moniter is true?
Yes I would turn off gsync
Thank you for this video! Yesterday I installed LostLess scaling with no problem. A bit later I downloaded the Riva utility, however I couldn't open the interface once I installed the program. As a result I couldn't try either program. There is an updated version available of LossLess. The biggest issue I have is trying to get FSFS to load up quicker. There isn't very much in my community folder since I am using the Linker program. My internet speed is about 1 gig. It can take 4 to 5 minutes for FSFS to load on my system. I have removed aircraft and etc that arent being used. I noticed ysterday I can't access the Market place, no idea why. Your feedback is welcome. Thank you!
Does Riva need to be on all the time? or can I close it? Great vid as usual thanks
Riva does need to be running all the time so you can minimize it. Thanks for the comment
So I had the opposite effect. My frame rate was cut in half. Went from 30 down to 10😩. Followed step by step. No idea what went wrong.
That's strange.. set up a profile in the Riva tuner and see if that helps . If you have gsync turn off
You could try Changing the Gpu it uses in the settings from Default
Awesome video as usual. He do you have discord or something? I want to pick your brain about some OBS questions.
i don't have a discord but in the description there is a link for the facebook page .
Ok I’ll go there now
I have NVIDIA 4090 with monitor resolution 5120X1440 and native refresh rate of 240 Hz. Is it still necessary to limit my frame rate to around 119 fps? I suppose that even with loss less scaling X2, I would never reach 240 fps. Further consider the maximum frame rate that I have reached before was not more than 100 fps.
In case may I limit the FPS from nvidia panel control? Thank you
You may wany to try the x3 method then. The goal is to equal the refresh rate so you may want to lower the refresh rate of your monitor to something under 240
@@2020fsers make sense.
I followed these tips and man, I got the smoothest flight ever with the Fenix A320 yesterday. However, I went for a flight today and I dont know why, but with the same setup, it was all laggy and I felt like I had 20 fps. It wasn't smooth at all compared to yesterday. The settings are all the same, I don't know what happened here, anyone here has experienced this?
possible server issue with msfs. sometimes it happens some days its great no stutters and some days its a lot of stutters . the only way to tell is to turn off bing maps and photogrammetry and try it with all the online stuff off . if it works well then thats the issue the msfs servers.
also if you turn off the lossless scaling you can test that as well if that is full of stutters then it will parlay that into the scaling app . if the info stops flowing then you get the lags no matter how much frame interpolation that you use .
@@2020fsers I never thought about MSFS servers issues, that's interesting. I did turn on and off Lossless Scaling and it was still full of stutters. I'll try it again and keep you updated, thanks a lot mate!
Great video. Can I combine this with the Autofps addon?
Yes you can
Hi, just one question. I have "Max Frame Rate=75Hz" (My monitor's refresh rate) in the Global Settings, what about the Simulator Settings inside the NVIDIA Control Panel? Before the Riva Tuner I set it to 35, but I'm not sure if I have to turn it OFF and use the Riva Tuner instead. Nice video indeed, this app is a game changer.
do not use max frame rate in the nvidia panel if you are using rivatuner . turn any nvidia frame caps off and only use rivatuner if that is your frame cap program of choice if you want to use nvidia frame cap then dont use the riva tuner.
@@2020fsers Thx buddy. 🙏
your welcome
Have problem with lossless Scaling. It is not showing the fps in MSFS. I have set up everything as said in the video. I have 2 monitors both 60 Hz on fore MSFS and the second one for MSFS apps.Have tried with Multi-display mode on and off and I have Draw FPS on
Hope to get some help🙂
its not showing any fps counter in the top corner of the screen?
you release very helpful videos. QQ I see this thin fuzzy layer around the edges off the aircraft. I am running a 60hz monitor my frame rates is half to 29 in the RTSSS tool. any reasons around the fuzziness
do you only see the fuzzines when using the scaling app? if you are using the scaling mode in the tool turn it off and try again ,Example: if using amd fsr turn off it could be the scaling method dosent like your monitor.
@@2020fsers using the nvidia scalling since am not using amd video card or it does not matter
it doesn't matter you can use all of them on any card. for msfs stick to amd nvidia or ls1
what happened if you dont have steam problem for msfs 2020? Can this program still work??
Yes this works with store purchase or steam
As this is meanr to work with AMD cards where do we find the equivalent setting to the Nvidia Control Panel shown here ?
For amd you may have a panel similar to nvcp I'm not sure tho . Yes it does work with amd cards
@@2020fsers I have a 7900 XT AMD and I am lost when you used the Nvidia control panel. I got all set but that’s confuses me and dont know what to tweak on the AMD adrenaline software
Don't worry about it and try without those settings
this is magic 3080 8700k usually 35 fps in new york medium now ultra 62 fps crazy man !
Awesome thanks for the comment
Amazing! Thank you for the vid. The only thing that I have noticed is that the colors are terrible when my TV display is set to HDR on. I'll have to see if there is a fix for this.
Yes flip the hdr slider in the ui of the lossless scaling app. That may help.
Thanks for the comment 👍 😀
Hi i'm encountering several problems with lossless scaling, i Hope you are going to be able to help me. I have a Ryzen 5 5500 and a rtx4060, i've followed all the steps but unless i put "performance on" it lags so much that makes the game unplayble. Another problem i have is that sometimes the sim just freezes and on the screen I have a freezed screen but on background the sim continues to run correctly. This happens also after i close lossless scaling, the only way to solve this is to close the sim, it is so annoying i hope you can help🙏🏻
I have heard of the screen freeze issues but I'm not sure what causes that .
Question: For a 144 Hz G-Sync monitor, should G-Sync be ON or OFF?
thats a great question i would probably use it off but i dont have a gsync monitor so i cant say for sure .. try both and go with what looks better and less lag and let me know what you find i would appreciate it.
Does this help on RTX 4000 series cards, or is the standard FG better? Can it be used simultaneously?
the frame gen can be used on 4000 cards but not to be used with the frame gen available for the 4000 cards 1 or the other. personally i use a 4080super and i do not like dx12 which is needed for frame gen on the 4000 cards so using this allows me to use dx11 and frame gen .
I tried it out at x2 as instructed, fast and cap at 59 with 120hz.
But shimmers all over the place, randomly in front when just looking straight 😵💫
Ok did you turn off the scaling in the ui and only keep on the fg.
@@2020fsers Yes i am only using FG.
Did you turn off the scaling ?
Ok possible nvidia panel settings . Turn off any texture filtering and see if that helps
Hello brother. I have only 3200G but can fly at lowest settings with PMDG 777 or 738 with 18 to 21fps. Is it still possible?
Hmm that's is a gamble my gut says no but it may be better than the quality you have now but may still not be perfect. If you have 5 to spare try it but it's 50/50
my forza horizon 4 becomes horrible after applying all these setting pls help
Great videos as always!! Followed all steps however when enabling lossless scaling my sim turns into a different color as if it had several exaggerated filters. Tried a bunch of stuff and can't figure it out. Any help is greatly appreciated..... thanks !
Ok yes turn on the hdr slider in the ui of the lossless scaling and see if that helps .
@@2020fsers EDIT: problem solved by turning off HDR mode in Windows11! Same problem as above over here. Turning on the HDR slider results in a black screen. Using a 4070 Super.
For Loseless App, you have set Vsync to fast in nvidia control panel. So it means that i should turn off Vsync for the game itself from nvidia control panel?
yes turn off vsync in the panel for msfs and in game . i believe now you have a vsync option in the lossless scaling app if you need it.
@@2020fsersthanks for answering
I would love to completely test the software. But I presume those that are complaining they can't move the mouse to a second or third monitor like me, is because we are using those monitors to run our other programs and not a multi monitor setup.. I for example am running Navirgraph, Airmanager, Beyond ATC, Volanta. All on 2 other monitors and unfortunately can't move my mouse to any of the other screens with LScaling is running. Unless there is a setting or solution I don't yet know about or missed?
i have no issue with my mouse rolling to my other monitors . make sure to watch the video at 12:24 for the option for multi monitor
@@2020fsers Thank you so much. It was setup that way, but did not work. I decided to give it one last try again now. Cleared all settings and redid them and the mouse is working now. I am very happy. 🤓🤦♂
Ok cool .. the ui is a little buggy
@@2020fsers At least I can go through your video step by step now and test it fully. I already tested quickly and definitely have a difference. Thank you.
Your welcome
Thanks for the Video. I have a Problem with LS that after several times it starts to get stuttering altough the FPS are the same. I can only get rid of them by pressing Alt+Enter twice. Then it is smooth again for a few moments
Some users have reported this . Switching back between windowed and fill screen fixes the issue . Maybe an update to the software can fix the issue .
@@2020fsers So you do not think it is a Setting issue ?
@McPattyify no i don't think so
@@2020fsers Thank you. Do you have any idea to reduce those jittering issues while panning around?
AMAZINGGG THX BUDDY!!
You're welcome thanks for the comment
thanks not using msfs but using prepar3d anmd went form 26fps all way to 70fps with nearly maxed grafihcs and 2k monitor fucking gamechanger
Awesome 👌 thanks for the comment
Excellent tutorial ! but at this stage I'm not confident to install it. Could someone please explain in detail how I would go about implementing this setup to my system.
I'm running 3 x 4K 55" monitors (each have a refresh rate of 60 Hz) PC - i9 13900K & RTX 4090, at the moment I'm getting an average FPS of 42 using Nvidia DLSS3 which is set at Quality in MSFS settings also driving a 4th monitor on same PC which handles a pop-out panel. I would love to get extra FPS for smoothness but until I feel confident to implement Lossless Scaling to the system I would dearly love one of Guys to give me a full explanation.
I know the video touches on multi monitors albeit 2.
Anyone Please .....
Hi thanx for the vid. The result of this tool is only applicable to the main monitor/TV. I have to TVs that both can do 120hz. Main can double its FPS bit not the 2nd one. This has always been the case with frame gen. If you find a way that works on all monitors/TV that would be fantastic
How do you know that the second monitor is not doubling its frame rate because the frame rate counter is on your main monitor so how are you able to calculate that?
What if you bought msfs off steam and using lossless scaling at the same time, will it work ?
Yes it will
Hi Mate, I follow all your videos, I’m confused, I run a 4070ti with a 10700k gsync monitor 165hz, I use the settings in your old videos on nvidias control panel, vsync set to fast and the number 1 below, works a treat, so following this video do I disable the fast option in the nvidia control panel and just go with your river tuna settings?
Ok what you would do is disable the vsync in the msfs program specific settings in the nvidia panel and set to application controlled. Only set fast vsync in the lossless scaling program specific settings like I show Here . You may also want to turn off gsync but try both on and off.
@@2020fsers Thank you so
Much, I followed your advice, although I’ve turned vsync off in msfs, nvidia control panel msfs settings and just use it through lossless scaling in the nvidia app, set my monitor to 162 hz out of
165 on the control panel and capped it to 81 frames in rivatuner and lossless scaling works like a dream “4070ti, 10700k” I did buy and try this app before your video a few weeks ago and it worked terrible so again thank you, without your video I’ve never have gone back to it, I can now run FSTL traffic injector at 100% also
I will
Also add to that incase anyone with similar specs wants to try it I still run dx12 in the sim with frame generation on and set to TAA. Terrain level of detail set to 150, Object level of detail to
200
And everything else set to as high as possible, I did find my upping my TLOD to 200 yesterday with lossless scaling on it still felt abit jittery so went back to 150
Awesome thanks for the update
@@2020fsers Thank you Sir what you’ve done for my sim and the community is brilliant, Many Thanks ,,, I’ll just add to the above I done a 60 minute test flight tonight, all was perfect except it seems Lossless Scaling Hates the GSX passengers, once the passengers were boarding my fenix it came to a freeze, literally, each and every time, so whilst there boarding / sitting In there seats with the cockpit door open I disable it, then once ready to fly I close the cockpit door and enable it again, not sure if you’ve came across this yet but if you ever know of a fix I’m all ears :)
I'm getting only a 28-34 fps in game what do u recommend in a 75 hz monitor capped fps in RTSS?
Ok in this case it's a little different and some trial and error . If you only have a 75hz monitor then try 30 fps using x2 mode . Do you have 100 hz? If so try 30 in x3 mode that will get closer to 100 than x2 and 75hz.
Or try and cap at 35 in x2 mode
Let me know what works for you .
Greetings 2020 FS'ers
Thanks for the vidz you guys produce. Are you guys able to do videos that help persons who use AMD instead of nVIDIA cards please? It would be nice to see the two sides of the coin.
thanks in advance.
Unfortunately it's only me and I don't have any amd stuff 😕. Therfore I really can do anything on it because I'm not able to test .
How is your performance with this in Glass cockpit aircraft? I’ve seen other people use it but you still get that lag/ghosting on a PFD when it comes to the speed and altitude
you would need to see their settings my bet is they are using vsync . i dont seem to have any issues
@@2020fsers Maybe, I’m not sure. That was the only reason, I haven’t tried it yet. But following your video I’ll give it a try.
the issue is ive seen so many tutorials on this and everyone is different lol so my guess is lots of people are using diff settings leading to some issues and not for others. they may also be using overlays which causes issues and everyones system is different from hardware to software , so you may get a completely different result than someone with the same specs.
what fps can you easily maintain in msfs? what refresh rates are available for you monitor?
@@2020fsers well I guess I need to find out what this will be like because I have yet to test. I’ve just been hesitant because of what I said before. My monitor refresh rate is 144hz and I achieve 40-50fps pretty easily. I’ve been using AutoFPS lately to keep the sim smooth but maybe lossless scaling is better for me.
Nice, but my monitor natively can go up to 240hz. My sim can't run at 120 frames, so should I drop my hz to 160?
Okay what can you reliably run natively in your simulator as far as FPS and what refresh rate does your monitor have
You may actually be a great candidate for the X3 mode depending on what your native FPS in the sim is.
So at the moment I've dropped my monitor hz to 120 from 240, then locked at 40 frames and use X3@@2020fsers
Ok how does that work for you?
@@2020fsers smooth performance with 40 frames, and 120 hz using X3. Going to set the 240, and play around some settings and see what happens
I need some help! When I turn on lossless scaling my picture becomes very harsh in contrast and super intensity colors. Doesn't matter if I'm in the sim or just watching this RUclips video it's basically not usable. My monitor's native resolution is 3840 x 1600 @ 144hz. It does this regardless of whether I trigger the program via hotkey or just pressing the scale button. My Nvidia control panel is set as recommended and I've turned off DLSS and FrameGen in the sim. GSync is on but that's just about tearing right? The screen becomes way oversaturated colors and contrast when turned on. I wish I could attach a pic. 3080 Ti, i7-13700K, 32gb RAM. Any suggestions?
Ok turn on the hdr slider in the ui that should take care of it
@@2020fsers Well, my HDR is turned on in Windows 11 but when I try to start up MSFS with all my new Nvidia CP settings I get a CTD with a DXGI_Error_Device Hung message so I've obviously got bigger problems than HDR! But thank you very much for your prompt response. I'll report back if I'm able to resolve any of my issues
thanks again
Okay, I seem to have everything resolved by turning OFF HDR in Windows 11 settings and then turning on Lossless scaling has no appearance degradation. Thanks again for your help!
@fredziker3784 ok great glad you.got it sorted
riva tuner is completely limiting my fps, I turn on riva tuner for 30fps and I turn on FG and am getting 30fps natively and only getting 30 from Lossless scaling. I am using an AMD GPU I dont know if that has anything to do with it. I remove the limit on my fps and get around 50fps natively and get 90 or so in lossless scaling. Can someone help me bc rivatuner is completely limithing my fps.
Set up a profile I the Riva tuner o ly for msfs and see if that helps
This is still cool though even without VR. Thanks.
Your welcome thanks for the comment. It will work on other games and sims but not vr unfortunately.
For some reason it doesnt let me limit my frame rate every time i put 71 it puts 1,000
nevermind lol
Probably frame time . Glad you got it
Holy shit! sorry for the language, but cant belive this worked!! Thanks!!!!
lol awesome thanks for the comment !!
great video will this work in 4K native 144 hz monitor gtx 3080TI 12700K Intel
Should be fine . You may need to use the x3 or x4 depending in your base frame rate
Thanks very much@@2020fsers
Can you help me please? I have 100hz monitor, what fps should I cap in rivaturner? What should I use WGC or DXGI? Thanks!
ok what is an fps that you can maintain natively in msfs? what options on refresh rate do you have in the nvidia panel?
natively 30 fps, and I have 75hz or 100hz option in the nvidia panel.@@2020fsers
@@2020fsers Natively I maintain 30fps in the sim and I have 100hz or 75hz option in nvidia control panel.
ok in your case you can try a couple options . if using x2 mode use 75hz and cap at 36 using dxgi it should auto interpolate down to 60 fps because thats all you can achieve in the sim the cap will only prevent you from exceeding your refresh rate of the monitor if your fps should spike. or you can try x3 mode using 100htz refresh rate on your monitor cap in sim to 32 using x3 mode . if that is sloppy then same x3 29 fps cap and 75htz refresh you dont want to cap your fps at 25 it may not be good but you can try it. i hope 1 of those works for you please let me know. DXGI only in your case
@@2020fsers Will let you know! I appreciate your replies so much man! 🙏🏻
It worked flawlessly last week. Today, it freezes msfs. I installed the 556.12 nvidia drivers meanwhile. anyone else having issues?
I'm using the latest driver and I don't have any issues
Hello and thank you for the video.
I have three monitors and use the nvidia surround, how does this work with the nivdia surrond?
Unfortunately from what I'm hearing the frame generation will only work on one monitor
@@2020fsers Thank you for the reply
what do you set the vsync in nvidia control panel to for this?
For msfs application controlled. And for the scaling app I went over that in the video
@@2020fsers just wasn't sure if your recommendations from your other video applied here too. great thanks, finally got all the gears working together and the sim has never been smoother!!! dialing my 165hz monitor down to 144hz really did the trick for me (I guess it's a bit easier to handle for my system). performance was always good here, but now the (micro)stutters are gone too. your videos really help out a lot, thanks and keep it up!
@disco79stu that's great thanks for the update 😀 glad it helped
Do you think that for a 7900XT gpu do I could see improvement?
Yes you should .
@@2020fsers thanks
You're welcome
IS it better than the fsr3 mods found on Nexus for rtx 3060 ti ?
Not sure I've never used that mod
Hey, thanks for the video! Actually helped me out a lot. Only issue I am facing is that FSHud on screen is blurry/seeing it twice laid on top of each other. Do you have a fix for this? It only seems to happen with FSHud
Unfortunately some overlays may have an issue.
Tried to use loseless in GTA online 😂 Freezes my game 😵💫
It might be a specific setting in GTA itself like with dx11 or dx12 maybe try different ones if you have those options
What do I do for Manage 3D settings without an Nvidia control panel...I have AMD?
I believe amd has a similar software . But try without those settings
@@2020fsers seems to work fine, apart from any overlay programs negating the FG.
@@2020fsers I flew into Burbank with 200 TLOD and 200 OLOD and even though the game framerate was in the teens as expected, with 2x, I'm at a comfortable 30+ landing in LA. That's a good day!
Now hopefully someone can figure out how to capture the smoothness in OBS and how to use overlays like SLC with it.
@MartinWenzelYT I'm sure they will think of that .. glad it's working for ya
@@2020fsers I hope so. I've been running into issues with LUVCARS (for Southwest Virtual) co-pilot not communicating with me when I'm running FG. I'll have to do a flight today with no FG to see if it is a problem with that (not sure why) or if it is just a ccnnection issue.
Unfortunately, my screen freezes but the sim does not CTD. I can press the windows button to come out, press unscale and get the screen back to normal, however moments after scaling again, the screen freezes once more. I followed each setting. RTX 4080 x i7-13700K. (Yes my GPU is more powerful than it's CPU counterpart.) I have an HP 165hz monitor without G-Sync compatibility. Aside from the screen freeze, it is indeed smooth with low latency. Someone please help me lol
possibly gsync causing this did you try and turn off gsync?
@2020fsers Yup. In the "Set up G-SYNC" tab in the Nvidia Control Panel, I have the HP X34 monitor unselected bc under the "3. Display Specific Settings", it says "Selected display is not validated as G-SYNC compatible.
Will continue to test and double check settings. All is well except for the random screen freezing. So close to perfection now😂🙈
Oh crap you did say that earlier sorry I thought you said you had a gsync monitor .
Ok try wgc method and see if it freezes