A big thanks to both Lightoftruth and Joeytwotimes for helping with this guide! Make sure to check out the written guide on Classicwow.live: forum.classicwow.live/topic/823/enhancement-shaman-raid-and-world-boss-guide Google Slides link: docs.google.com/presentation/d/1FiAr4y8SksKtP1Q2njGyxfXFBE4x74iRiKwYHhV533U/edit?usp=sharing Timestamps: 00:09 - Introduction 00:48 - Enhancement Shaman Fantasy 01:27 - Course Prerequisites 02:00 - Collaborator Introductions 02:38 - Syllabus (Table of Contents) 03:00 - The Enhancement Shaman’s Role 04:12 - Stat Priorities 07:14 - Loot & Loot Priority 07:47 - Enchants 09:44 - Buffs 12:19 - Professions 13:36 - Talents 17:49 - Races 18:58 - Totems 22:53 - Totem Twisting 26:16 - Rotations 28:40 - Intellect/Spell Crit Build 31:45 - Leveling as an Enhancement Shaman 35:11 - Raid and World Boss Strategies 36:06 - Farewell & Interesting Links
I got a question for white hits: In my experience on a p-server I could cast lightening bolt right after the white hit and immedietly after the cast I will white hit again. Instant, I always see 2 numbers, or sometimes. if frostbrand weapon progs, 3. And if I cast lightening bolt right after, again it works. Again and again if timed correctly. Its basically a free hit and increases my dps by 20%-40% (lvl 41 shaman ele a lot of int and spirit, works both pve and pvp) Why dont ele shamans use it in dungeons or raids? would they get ccd, by the mob? couldnt that benafit a hybrid build where you use lightening bolts as dmg+the free weapon swing+a potentiel prog and then you could try to conserve mana by purly white hitting, maybe even regging enough to get full again and in between you still could totem twist sometimes, if one of the other shamans want to concentrate on something else. if more shamans work together they're able to get some crazy builds going, because they can switch up their roles of small utility.
Thanks so much for this guide! Any chance you will be coming out with a BIS list for these specs? I've seen a few out there but they vary significantly from one another.
@@DefcampMelderonTV So there is one for PvP gear but nothing for pre-raid PvE. Would love to see one for enhancement PvE given the unique stat priority shown in this video. By the way, thanks for all the content. Love the channel and the stream!
For the Spell slinging enhance, you need to make sure to use your spells when Nightfall procs. Get as much melee crit as possible to maximize flurry up time. Not a lot of great hybrid gear till later, so mostly non spell damage gear early, easy to get plenty of crit. Most groups will want you to have imp weapon totems and be twisting for your melee group, which limits shock mana. Your dps doesn't matter much anyway.
I will play enh.shaman in classic. However 2 guilds i contacted expressing interest in joining them gave me the same old BS. "No, enh.mate. You'll play resto first, elemental second". Screw them.
Somebody on the reddit wrote and I believe it was confirmed by Blizzard that troll berserking gives 43% attack speed (as it did in vanilla) and is one of the bugs that will intentionaly be not fixed
@@DefcampMelderonTV found the link www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/ch6qy8/troll_berserking_pvp/ www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/ce5q58/wow_classic_not_a_bug_list_wow_classic_beta_test/ us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-classic-not-a-bug-list/175887/45?blzcmp=app
@@Mesisir It doesn't state how much aspd it's giving, just that it's as it should be. Can you clarify where the number comes from and if you mean it still scales with health or is always 43%?
Improved reincarnation gives you 40% mana on revive for 2points. Considering the value you get in mana from other talents this is actually huge. Intentionally suiciding doesn't seem that bad an idea if you're oom in a fight
@@DefcampMelderonTV 40% mana & health on 10min cooldown, you pay the repair bill consequences obviously but other than looking odd a strategic suicide isn't unreasonable or difficult to pull off. If you can guarantee a safe revive (NS heal) it seems like a plausible tactic that im considering trying out. Oh i almost forgot Totem of Rebirth ;)
Given that the buff timer does not line up with the GCD, you should not waste 1.0s out of a 1.5s GCD window to make sure Windfury totem never drops. instead you should drop windfury at the global at 9s and grace on air on the global at 10.5s. This means you can cast 2 extra globals in a 30s~ period.
Great guide....for a less mana intensive totem twist...you can place down the WF totem at 0 seconds...right around 4-5 seconds...place down the grace of air totem...which will refresh the group's current WF weapon buff and will have grace of air for a full 10 seconds....then right around the 9-10 second mark...place down WF totem.... So you end up using less mana but you will have a 5second window between the WF weapon placement and the Grace of Air totem placement. Note: at least from my own tests....the windfury totem refreshes back to 10sec on the party member's weapon when the 10sec buff gets down to 5seconds...and I am almost sure it is just before the entirety of the 5th second has elapsed.
Please be aware that this video does have a small tidbit of misinformation. It is 9% to hit the 63 boss (like stated), however it is NOT 6% if you are using your Axe racial. This was confirmed by blues on WoWhead. "This means that the so-called “hit cap” is in effect 9% rather than 8% for a player with 300 Weapon Skill fighting a level 63 monster with a Defense Skill of 315. With a Weapon Skill of 305, such as from Sword Specialization (Humans) or Axe Specialization (Orcs), this hit modifier is no longer in place against +3 level monsters, provided that you are using the appropriate weapon type to gain the passive bonus. Needless to say, this makes +Weapon Skill very good against raid-level monsters." This means that its 8% hit if you have the racial, as 5 WS at 300, pushing to 305, would ignore this 1% penalty, instead of what everyone who doesn't have the weaponskill will be, which is 9%. If you're gearing around 6% hit rating as an Orc with an axe, you're still going to be 2% hit behind, unless you manage to get another 10 Axe weapon skill on your gear, then you can mark it as 6%. Source: www.wowhead.com/news=292085/hit-cap-in-classic-wow-clarifications
@@DefcampMelderonTV Are those from private servers? Considering WoW classic hasn't even been out for 2 months (which is how long it took to get a reply) and blues even commended on WoWhead that its 9% without a weapon skill talent, then 8% if you're a human/orc using proper weapons, I'm not sure where you even think its 6%.
Great guide! I'm just hoping people understand that getting a dedicated raid spot as enhance will be EXTREMELY difficult unless you have connections/run your own guild.
Yeah, its going to be hard to show people you know how to twist and have the right items/consumes. Shame because if you know what you are doing, you can really help the raid
@@DefcampMelderonTV wrong bro it's a wasted meme spec slot. You get out damaged in every corner by real dps players just go healing and actually be helpful cause a chain heal spamming shamans actually helps vs a shit proc based dps one. I'm an experience classic player who has cleared every raid with a range of guilds not once have we ever considered taking any meme spec because they are useless.
@@stevennagy2305 not sure if you actually watched the video, it's not about doing damage as I stated over and over again, it's about utility and totem twisting. Enhancement that knows how to twist with your top 4 melee DPS will increase DPS significantly. If you are not doing this, you aren't getting the most out of your raid
I'm wondering if (specifically for the Ele Dev hitcap build) dropping the Totemic Mastery for Elemental Focus might be more useful to squeeze a little more damage and crit chance from the build with max-ranked Frost Shocks with your Focus Procs, as it reduces Mana Costs but also deals greater damage and benefits from Winter's Chill.
Wow does additive. Other games do additive, and in general I prefer additive. WoW having all mitigation in one table makes WoW even more in love in additive (50% dodge and 50% parry will make you immune as all avoidance is squished onto one table that roll is made against). And if you make sense and interpret it differently it still makes sense (50% dodge means that 50% of attacks made you will be dodged, not "50% of attacks that would otherwise hit". I vastly prefer this than games where +10% +10% > +20% because of how multiplication works (1*1.1*1.1=121%>120%).
I understand its Additive but the question is it just a flat 25% + your base stun resist or is it 25% of you base stun resist added to your stun resist. Such as if you had a base 5% stun resist the first way would give you 31% where as the second would give you 6.125%. I feel like its the latter I do not feel like I resisted a full quarter or third of all stuns attempted on me.
Hey guys! First of all thanks for all the great work behind the videos!!! But i got a question: Are slow or fast weapons better for enhancer in PvE Raid (not proccer)? Beside of stormstrike does it make a difference?
You have to weigh which is more important, DPS or Mana efficiency
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What do you think of the group. Is a hunter with 100 ap worth it. I think one melee will profit more from windfury then 3 melees from 100AP hunter buff
Melderon, What do you think about Brainhacker as an enhance weapon at 55? I know it’s faster, but does that really matter being that there’s no cd on wind fury in classic?
You'll do less top end DPS with a faster weapon in general. I'm.not sure what your goal is though, top the charts or proc. If it is to proc, you are limited to either Annihilator or Nightfall
Defcamp & Melderon TV yes I wasn’t sure if I wanted to spend the 300-400 g for pre bis arcanite reaper or 60g for brainhacker. Eventual goal is to get nightfall but I thought brainhacker might help those last five levels go a little bit faster, but if I’m going to do less FPS than with a 3.6 blue then I don’t think it’s worth the gold. Btw just listened to your enh shaman pve guide and am super stoked to learn to totem twist and spam some earth shock.
Defcamp & Melderon TV it’s not a cd, but rather an aura that prevents you from gaining wf again while under the effect of the aura so its important to track that aura and not cast storm strike during that aura so you have a chance to proc wf off ss
I love this guide, but is there any actual raiding footage for 40 man where you could try the builds etc.? It's all cool with a video and text, but when you ask raiders that raid for years and years on private servers they all say Enhancement is just way too bad and you either take another healer or another dps. Even the Annihilator/Nightfall procc is better handled as a hunter. So what's left as a serious reason to pick an Enhancement shaman into your raiding group? Don't get me wrong, I would really like to play Enhancement, but without having any up to date video footage of people raiding in Enhancement and showing the DPS+HPS they do to prove their worth it just seems not worth it.
Did you even pay attetion at all to what he said? Enhancement is NOT about DPS+HPS. Is about utility for both damage dealers and healers. To be a fair evaluation, you have to sum up self DPS+HPS + % of all other DPS that have used the buffs to increase damage + % of the DPS that procc windfury. And there you go. Raid leaders that don't include this in the analysis are just doing the wrong calculation and losing out possible advantages.
If crit cap is 33% and your spec'd elemental devastation would you recommend stop getting crit at 24% since the 9% talent makes up the difference of the cap? Is there a point in having higher crit?
With winter's chill, would you not use frost shock to procc Elemental Devastation more with the full enhancement build or elemental devastation as you call it?
What are everyone's thoughts on raiding as enhancement without Nightfall in phase 1? Is it still worth following the stat priorities outlined in this guide (which are optimized around hits per minute)? Does it make the hybrid healing build more attractive relatively speaking, or does it put more emphasize on personal DPS to pull your weight?
Not getting instant ghostwolf when leveling seems weird to me. I always start putting points in so i max it at level 20. It makes for a much lower downtime when running around the world
@@Sluga7hor i know. Just couldnt be bothered to correct myself. Since my point is the same. Saving 2 secs on each cast is huge with all the running in vanilla
It's good until 40 then obsolete imo. But since you can respec to ele for fast leveling times it may be a choice you go with. I never do, does add to my DPS or survivability directly. Very situational usage while impLS and antic are useful in every encounter
I thought it'd be the bees kness myself in 60 pvp, then I hit 60 and started pvp and realized how little I use it in any given scenario. Not putting those points into ghost wolf is fine, it just means you're a teeny bit more clunky.
33% crit is the softcap for 60-62 mobs (as orc) as I have stated previously in other shaman video guides. its much higher for raids, something like 51% against 63 mobs.
Twisting totems gives you an 8.5 second window to melee Nightfall @ 3.5 speed is only 2 swings Annihilator @ 1.7 is a solid 5 swings You should choose axes @ 2.80 speed or less to be optimal
Not worth going 31 resto 20 enh for support build? Helps personal mana I imagine. Even the potential for you to be switched into a mana group to resto all mana then swapped back into melee group?
Amazing video. I love seeing ways to fit these less optimal specs into raids by designing them to improve OTHER classes spec. Please show this to all the people who only look at meters to determine the value of a class haha.
I'm trying to get my head around stacking extra attack speed. With Nightfall having a rough PPM of 2ish adding extra swing speed can potentially interfere with windfury's 3 sec ICD, resulting in potentially less WF procs which result in lower Nightfall and flurry uptime.
@@DefcampMelderonTV I assume you've tested that out? I tried to find a conclusive yea or nay regarding it and my net diving skills are severely lacking and unable to find out one way or another.
@@drmwatson15 The big change they made in vanilla, was to remove the ability for windfury to proc of itself. I think it was in TBC they added the internal cooldown. Atleast from what I remember.
I am playing enhancement shaman in raid but I think that I could improve my performance a lot as I only autohit the bosses and twist totems for my melee group. Any advice?
three 33% chances does not make 100%, it makes about 71% chance. 29% of the time will still not be a crit. Unless i'm missing something and the 3 attacks don't have completely independent chance of critting.
It's all independent but remember that Flurry grants 3 stacks of increased attack speed and only normal swings consume them. Extra attacks from WF do not. So, the other subsequent two auto attacks can also proc Flurry. And, If you WF on just one of those 3 attacks, you have 5 chances (87%) to crit and proc Flurry before it falls off. But, WF can also proc on the other two normal hits as well lol. Essentially, if you have 33% crit and Flurry was just procced, you can achieve anywhere from a 71% (at least 1 crit in 3 attacks) to a 98% (at least 1 crit in 9 attacks) chance to refresh Flurry before losing it! The 98% chance requires you to WF three times in a row though, which only occurs at a 0.8% chance... and I rounded this to 100% in the video. However, 71% at a minimum ain't too shabby. Thanks for bringing this up. I honestly did not want to go into all this in the video. I feel like it would have taken me a while to explain this and then having to explain the chance of chances happening....
@@DefcampMelderonTV thanks for the explanation here! I just noticed something that seemed like a statistical mistake the way that it was stated in the video. It might have been worthwhile saying a bit more in the video about it so it didn't confuse people like me who know little about the intricacies of these types of interaction since it seems to coincidentally line up with one way of misunderstanding statistics.
@@DefcampMelderonTV I'd say that its a great explanation except the "71% at minimum". Expected value =/= "at minimum". Just because you have 33.(3)% to crit it doesn't mean you will always hit one crit in one of the three hits, so "at minimum" stars may actually align and you actually can run entire raid and not crit even once ;-) And even aside that, with 33% variance is still pretty high, and to have the calculated average you would need precisely one crit per 3 attacks - if you calculate the odds - even for having same total number of crits - when having two crits in first 3 attacks and then no crit then you are still not critcapped for the purpose of Flurry (and tbh my gut is saying me that you may not even be reaching the falling point until ~35-40% crit).
As for Tauren, a hidden bonus is longer attack range. I remember on the first gruuls lair fight, the one boss who whirlwinds, and all the other melee had to run out, while i could just sit at max attack range and be just fine. Not a reason to pick them, but a nice mini perk if you happen to be one.
Can someone help me pls? I am thinking about switching form natures guidance specc to Elemental Devastation Build, but then i lose 3 points in elemental weapons which means 40% less wf procs. Isnt 40% wf proc stronger than potential 9% crit chance for nightfall debuffs?
this guide was awesome, i was thinking to go enhancement, but i can only find how bad they are in raid, and some coments about Nightfall, also i was looking for some information in this hybrid build i would love to know more about it. And finaly i have a question, i still not sure if i will be able to play in classic, but if i do it will be casual, how friendly are shamans and this builds for a casual raider ??
The thing is, their damage is not good, but their utility, in the form of totem twisting and proccing potential is great. That's where you will find strength. And yes, as long as you can totem twist, a casual player can really love this type of build and rotation.
@@mihalyspenger7617 with totem twisting, they are a boon to your group and will increase overall DPS. and yes Flame shock is a debuff slot. Way to not watch the video yet comment anyway ;)
@@DefcampMelderonTV Obviously enhancement shaman with totem twisting is worthwhile in a raid, but my question was if the damage of flameshock is worth giving up a debuff slot?
@@mihalyspenger7617 resto shaman cannot twist as well due to intense APM of healing and they don't have the Mana pool for it. An enhancement shaman with your top melee DPS will produce more overall damage
then just play enchancement, everything has it pro's and cons, Just unlocked two-handers on shaman together w rockbiter I hit 200+ crits at level 20 :) As long as you skip the bad skills it's fine tbh
yeah, i'm getting really sad too, i'm started playing vanilla (first time playing it) pretending to play with enhance shaman, but probably if i want to have a spot on endgame i will need to reroll resto, sad
Sucks that magma totem's spell power coefficient is so negligible... I mean, I guess it doesn't suck that bad for enhancement. But overall totem usefulness. Also the totem having its own threat table is pretty garbage... Glad blizzard reworked totems and that that totem especially in late wrath
Holy shit that elem devastation build is utter shit. You are losing 3% hit with melee and spells, Improved WF, and 10% dmg for an inconsequential probability to get an elemental devastation proc. Your chance to crit with spells is basically nothing. That talent might be worth 1-2% crit, at best. That's probably being generous.... Also, since you are constantly spamming rank 1 shocks, you are interrupting your mana regen via spirit. You can get 2 ticks of spirit regen during twisting totems, if you don't cast anything else.
if you drop windfury to buff the melle party, why also have windfury enchants? wouldnt it be better for damage to have flametongue weapon enchant? Or does it simply not stack?
They don't stack, and (PLEASE correct me if I remember wrong here) the regular weapon buffs will take priority over the totem weapon buffs because they are stronger.
Any shaman can totem twist, however Enhancement Shaman do not have to worry about using mana on healing, unless they can or want to. Furthermore, its very hard to heal and totem twists for 2 reasons: mana cost and actions per minute. Remember, one cycle (10s) of totem twisting costs 475-532 mana with talents depending on the rank of GoA Totem you have! That's a lot of mana not going to healing. Finally, Improved Weapon Totems and Enhancing Totems make the twisting more effective. Now, of course, a resto can get these talents too but then they lose out on Mana Tide
My guide is much simpler. If the dumbass raid tries to make you twist totems as a Resto shaman, then go enhancement. Otherwise don't. Finding another guild might be a better long term option too.
I enjoyed the guide. Tons of great info in here which is awesome, one of the few concise guides for enhancement shaman. The only thing I have concern with is the emphasis on debuff proccing. Enhancement shaman are there to buff dps, toss the occasional off heal if needed, and to deal damage. When I played on Elysium, it wasn't uncommon for me to hit top 5 or top 7 dps when actually being allowed to deal damage. We all know that hunters or even an off-tank warrior are better at proccing Nightfall or Annihilator than we are, so why assume that role? I think that being in that role perpetuates this idea that enh shaman are unable to deal proper damage, which is just not true. I preferred using this build classicdb.ch/?talent#hE0zx0hZxVcdVMht when playing enhance. Re-casting lightning shield, IS damage, and clear casting is great for your mana efficiency. You can proc a elemental focus with rank 1s if you'd like to keep flurry up, and then use a max rank Earth Shock for a massive damage spike, granted that you're watching your KTM or another threat meter. During later stages of the game, it's not uncommon to see 2k crit Earth Shocks or even 3k (if you have the AQ tier on) which means you're giving up large amounts of damage which is a big growth opportunity. I'd also try and get your hands on a Drake Talon Cleaver as quick as possible, especially if you're playing orc as the WF procs can help with proccing the cleaver's fatal blow, which is an immense dps booster. I also hate the idea of giving up damage talents for the hit in the resto tree. 6% is not difficult to hit in most cases. Between Voone's Vice Grips, black dragon scale, blackstone ring, devilsaur, Slashclaw bracers, or Truestrike shoulders, you should be able to facilitate your hit cap with little difficulty, and be rewarded with damage talents. I'd check out The Vanilla Dream's channel, and watch him on his shaman "Pudgy". He puts up some seriously respectable numbers. Cheers
haha first raid leader that tries to deny me a raid spot, will get that increased crit and dps table shoved in his face :D been fighting this since day one of vanilla :)
A big thanks to both Lightoftruth and Joeytwotimes for helping with this guide! Make sure to check out the written guide on Classicwow.live: forum.classicwow.live/topic/823/enhancement-shaman-raid-and-world-boss-guide Google Slides link: docs.google.com/presentation/d/1FiAr4y8SksKtP1Q2njGyxfXFBE4x74iRiKwYHhV533U/edit?usp=sharing
Timestamps:
00:09 - Introduction
00:48 - Enhancement Shaman Fantasy
01:27 - Course Prerequisites
02:00 - Collaborator Introductions
02:38 - Syllabus (Table of Contents)
03:00 - The Enhancement Shaman’s Role
04:12 - Stat Priorities
07:14 - Loot & Loot Priority
07:47 - Enchants
09:44 - Buffs
12:19 - Professions
13:36 - Talents
17:49 - Races
18:58 - Totems
22:53 - Totem Twisting
26:16 - Rotations
28:40 - Intellect/Spell Crit Build
31:45 - Leveling as an Enhancement Shaman
35:11 - Raid and World Boss Strategies
36:06 - Farewell & Interesting Links
I got a question for white hits:
In my experience on a p-server I could cast lightening bolt right after the white hit and immedietly after the cast I will white hit again. Instant, I always see 2 numbers, or sometimes. if frostbrand weapon progs, 3.
And if I cast lightening bolt right after, again it works. Again and again if timed correctly. Its basically a free hit and increases my dps by 20%-40% (lvl 41 shaman ele a lot of int and spirit, works both pve and pvp) Why dont ele shamans use it in dungeons or raids? would they get ccd, by the mob?
couldnt that benafit a hybrid build where you use lightening bolts as dmg+the free weapon swing+a potentiel prog and then you could try to conserve mana by purly white hitting, maybe even regging enough to get full again and in between you still could totem twist sometimes, if one of the other shamans want to concentrate on something else.
if more shamans work together they're able to get some crazy builds going, because they can switch up their roles of small utility.
@@Jeygii I'm not sure what you mean by a free weapon swing. Your swing is just going off cooldown while casting
Thanks so much for this guide! Any chance you will be coming out with a BIS list for these specs? I've seen a few out there but they vary significantly from one another.
@@CoTrow18 I think there may be a good one on Classicwow.live
@@DefcampMelderonTV So there is one for PvP gear but nothing for pre-raid PvE. Would love to see one for enhancement PvE given the unique stat priority shown in this video. By the way, thanks for all the content. Love the channel and the stream!
For the Spell slinging enhance, you need to make sure to use your spells when Nightfall procs. Get as much melee crit as possible to maximize flurry up time. Not a lot of great hybrid gear till later, so mostly non spell damage gear early, easy to get plenty of crit. Most groups will want you to have imp weapon totems and be twisting for your melee group, which limits shock mana. Your dps doesn't matter much anyway.
Great guide! I never got my shaman to 60 in Vanilla so I'm planning to do it now, great to know my pet favourite spec will have a place in Classic!
just expect people to want you to play resto or not welcomed
Thanks for making this video. Hardly anyone covers Enh shammies.
Damn you for giving me hope that I could play Enhancement and Raid.
I will play enh.shaman in classic. However 2 guilds i contacted expressing interest in joining them gave me the same old BS. "No, enh.mate. You'll play resto first, elemental second". Screw them.
Find a guild which isnt serious then?
@@SirGEEZUS Actually serious, as you put it, guilds who knew their stuff used enh.shamans the way this guide says.
Only Dr Melderon can get me to continue watching a video with a syllabus.
I love the idea of the 0/22/29 build. True hybrid playstyle
The best Enhancement guide I've ever seen. This helped so much. Thank you!
this is insanely in-depth. great video
Somebody on the reddit wrote and I believe it was confirmed by Blizzard that troll berserking gives 43% attack speed (as it did in vanilla) and is one of the bugs that will intentionaly be not fixed
Hmm, very interesting. Can you provide a link to this?
@@DefcampMelderonTV found the link www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/ch6qy8/troll_berserking_pvp/
www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/ce5q58/wow_classic_not_a_bug_list_wow_classic_beta_test/
us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-classic-not-a-bug-list/175887/45?blzcmp=app
@@Mesisir It doesn't state how much aspd it's giving, just that it's as it should be. Can you clarify where the number comes from and if you mean it still scales with health or is always 43%?
Improved reincarnation gives you 40% mana on revive for 2points. Considering the value you get in mana from other talents this is actually huge. Intentionally suiciding doesn't seem that bad an idea if you're oom in a fight
good point!
@@DefcampMelderonTV
40% mana & health on 10min cooldown, you pay the repair bill consequences obviously but other than looking odd a strategic suicide isn't unreasonable or difficult to pull off. If you can guarantee a safe revive (NS heal) it seems like a plausible tactic that im considering trying out.
Oh i almost forgot Totem of Rebirth ;)
Haha good one
wont you loose all of your buffs tho?
Thanks for the guide Melderon and thanks to joey and Light for their help. As always very well done and a joy to watch.
Thank you for the way you do these guides.
Given that the buff timer does not line up with the GCD, you should not waste 1.0s out of a 1.5s GCD window to make sure Windfury totem never drops. instead you should drop windfury at the global at 9s and grace on air on the global at 10.5s. This means you can cast 2 extra globals in a 30s~ period.
Great advice
further explain?
Great guide....for a less mana intensive totem twist...you can place down the WF totem at 0 seconds...right around 4-5 seconds...place down the grace of air totem...which will refresh the group's current WF weapon buff and will have grace of air for a full 10 seconds....then right around the 9-10 second mark...place down WF totem....
So you end up using less mana but you will have a 5second window between the WF weapon placement and the Grace of Air totem placement.
Note: at least from my own tests....the windfury totem refreshes back to 10sec on the party member's weapon when the 10sec buff gets down to 5seconds...and I am almost sure it is just before the entirety of the 5th second has elapsed.
Thank you a lot for this awesome vid! So excited to be hopefully THE enhancer spot in the raid!😁
Man I wanna see a deep dive esk look into that Hybrid Build. Love to see how the damage compares with the normal build
The best part of this video is the anticipation of another video very soon^^ good shit Doc!
Very well put together video once again my good sir!
This is an awesome guide brother. Appreciate the work!
have you done anymore theory crafting on the int/spell crit build ?? build looks fun would love to know if it is a competitor?!
Bah, And I thought I'd finally decided not to go Shaman...
The spell-melee build looks cool, imo.
This exactly what i wanted
Thanks for the guide, very late to the party, just started shaman today!
Same my guy
Every time you post a Shaman video it makes me reconsider my class choice for classic, shit's hard
Please be aware that this video does have a small tidbit of misinformation. It is 9% to hit the 63 boss (like stated), however it is NOT 6% if you are using your Axe racial. This was confirmed by blues on WoWhead.
"This means that the so-called “hit cap” is in effect 9% rather than 8% for a player with 300 Weapon Skill fighting a level 63 monster with a Defense Skill of 315. With a Weapon Skill of 305, such as from Sword Specialization (Humans) or Axe Specialization (Orcs), this hit modifier is no longer in place against +3 level monsters, provided that you are using the appropriate weapon type to gain the passive bonus. Needless to say, this makes +Weapon Skill very good against raid-level monsters."
This means that its 8% hit if you have the racial, as 5 WS at 300, pushing to 305, would ignore this 1% penalty, instead of what everyone who doesn't have the weaponskill will be, which is 9%. If you're gearing around 6% hit rating as an Orc with an axe, you're still going to be 2% hit behind, unless you manage to get another 10 Axe weapon skill on your gear, then you can mark it as 6%.
Source: www.wowhead.com/news=292085/hit-cap-in-classic-wow-clarifications
It's 6%, check out the melee mechanics guide on the channel
@@DefcampMelderonTV Are those from private servers? Considering WoW classic hasn't even been out for 2 months (which is how long it took to get a reply) and blues even commended on WoWhead that its 9% without a weapon skill talent, then 8% if you're a human/orc using proper weapons, I'm not sure where you even think its 6%.
@@Kiereco no all those tests are from classic proper. Wowhead's information is inaccurate most of the time
If you have direct rebuttals, fight club is more than happy to rectify any questions you may have
Shaman will be my alt as it's completely different to what I usually play, thanks so much for this as I want to do Enhance; so underrated!
Great guide! I'm just hoping people understand that getting a dedicated raid spot as enhance will be EXTREMELY difficult unless you have connections/run your own guild.
Yeah, its going to be hard to show people you know how to twist and have the right items/consumes. Shame because if you know what you are doing, you can really help the raid
@@DefcampMelderonTV wrong bro it's a wasted meme spec slot. You get out damaged in every corner by real dps players just go healing and actually be helpful cause a chain heal spamming shamans actually helps vs a shit proc based dps one. I'm an experience classic player who has cleared every raid with a range of guilds not once have we ever considered taking any meme spec because they are useless.
@@stevennagy2305 not sure if you actually watched the video, it's not about doing damage as I stated over and over again, it's about utility and totem twisting. Enhancement that knows how to twist with your top 4 melee DPS will increase DPS significantly. If you are not doing this, you aren't getting the most out of your raid
I'm wondering if (specifically for the Ele Dev hitcap build) dropping the Totemic Mastery for Elemental Focus might be more useful to squeeze a little more damage and crit chance from the build with max-ranked Frost Shocks with your Focus Procs, as it reduces Mana Costs but also deals greater damage and benefits from Winter's Chill.
Yeah for sure. Just make sure your dps don't wander ;)
It is the leash with which I shall control them. "Stay with me if you want to Deeps."
I was told i needed strength after agility(crit), now I know why I pissed the warrior when I rolled for a strength and agility cloak
this really is some amazing content, thanks for all the hard work.
Melderon have you tested whether Orcs stun resist is a flat 25% or 25% of whatever your stun resist is?
I haven't lol.
It's flat. Additive.
Wow does additive. Other games do additive, and in general I prefer additive.
WoW having all mitigation in one table makes WoW even more in love in additive (50% dodge and 50% parry will make you immune as all avoidance is squished onto one table that roll is made against).
And if you make sense and interpret it differently it still makes sense (50% dodge means that 50% of attacks made you will be dodged, not "50% of attacks that would otherwise hit".
I vastly prefer this than games where +10% +10% > +20% because of how multiplication works (1*1.1*1.1=121%>120%).
@@MajkaSrajka Tauren's 5% extra health is multiplicative though.
I understand its Additive but the question is it just a flat 25% + your base stun resist or is it 25% of you base stun resist added to your stun resist. Such as if you had a base 5% stun resist the first way would give you 31% where as the second would give you 6.125%. I feel like its the latter I do not feel like I resisted a full quarter or third of all stuns attempted on me.
Hey guys!
First of all thanks for all the great work behind the videos!!! But i got a question: Are slow or fast weapons better for enhancer in PvE Raid (not proccer)? Beside of stormstrike does it make a difference?
Am I missing something? Why cast rank 1 earth shock when rank 1 frost shock should have 10% more crit because of winter's chill?
You have to weigh which is more important, DPS or Mana efficiency
What do you think of the group. Is a hunter with 100 ap worth it. I think one melee will profit more from windfury then 3 melees from 100AP hunter buff
Melderon,
What do you think about Brainhacker as an enhance weapon at 55? I know it’s faster, but does that really matter being that there’s no cd on wind fury in classic?
You'll do less top end DPS with a faster weapon in general. I'm.not sure what your goal is though, top the charts or proc. If it is to proc, you are limited to either Annihilator or Nightfall
Defcamp & Melderon TV yes I wasn’t sure if I wanted to spend the 300-400 g for pre bis arcanite reaper or 60g for brainhacker. Eventual goal is to get nightfall but I thought brainhacker might help those last five levels go a little bit faster, but if I’m going to do less FPS than with a 3.6 blue then I don’t think it’s worth the gold. Btw just listened to your enh shaman pve guide and am super stoked to learn to totem twist and spam some earth shock.
Jordan Ramsey Acutally there’s a cd on wf. It’s 2.6. keep that in mind :-)
@@Renozable that is incorrect. There is no cd on WF
Defcamp & Melderon TV it’s not a cd, but rather an aura that prevents you from gaining wf again while under the effect of the aura so its important to track that aura and not cast storm strike during that aura so you have a chance to proc wf off ss
Good luck getting Nightfall. Most raid groups priorities giving the Warrior Nightfall.
What gear would you prefer going for while playing the Healing/Utility build? Healing with a two-handed axe seems not too great?
I love this guide, but is there any actual raiding footage for 40 man where you could try the builds etc.? It's all cool with a video and text, but when you ask raiders that raid for years and years on private servers they all say Enhancement is just way too bad and you either take another healer or another dps. Even the Annihilator/Nightfall procc is better handled as a hunter. So what's left as a serious reason to pick an Enhancement shaman into your raiding group? Don't get me wrong, I would really like to play Enhancement, but without having any up to date video footage of people raiding in Enhancement and showing the DPS+HPS they do to prove their worth it just seems not worth it.
Did you even pay attetion at all to what he said? Enhancement is NOT about DPS+HPS. Is about utility for both damage dealers and healers. To be a fair evaluation, you have to sum up self DPS+HPS + % of all other DPS that have used the buffs to increase damage + % of the DPS that procc windfury. And there you go. Raid leaders that don't include this in the analysis are just doing the wrong calculation and losing out possible advantages.
If crit cap is 33% and your spec'd elemental devastation would you recommend stop getting crit at 24% since the 9% talent makes up the difference of the cap? Is there a point in having higher crit?
With winter's chill, would you not use frost shock to procc Elemental Devastation more with the full enhancement build or elemental devastation as you call it?
good stuff does make me want to play a sham again buuut gonna stick to lock to start :)
Why do you want to focus Spell Hit over Melee-Hit as 21/30 ? You need 8% Melee-Hit anyday and after that you can focus and Spell-Hit.
If I go for the Totem Utility Spec, do I gather Resto Gear or enhancer gear? Vor depends on RAID setup?
What are everyone's thoughts on raiding as enhancement without Nightfall in phase 1?
Is it still worth following the stat priorities outlined in this guide (which are optimized around hits per minute)? Does it make the hybrid healing build more attractive relatively speaking, or does it put more emphasize on personal DPS to pull your weight?
Big Damage!! Sick guide!
Another great job! Thank you!
Not getting instant ghostwolf when leveling seems weird to me. I always start putting points in so i max it at level 20. It makes for a much lower downtime when running around the world
Facts
Still not instant in vanilla. It's a 1s cast down from 3s. But yea I agree it's great for leveling
@@Sluga7hor i know. Just couldnt be bothered to correct myself. Since my point is the same. Saving 2 secs on each cast is huge with all the running in vanilla
It's good until 40 then obsolete imo. But since you can respec to ele for fast leveling times it may be a choice you go with. I never do, does add to my DPS or survivability directly. Very situational usage while impLS and antic are useful in every encounter
I thought it'd be the bees kness myself in 60 pvp, then I hit 60 and started pvp and realized how little I use it in any given scenario. Not putting those points into ghost wolf is fine, it just means you're a teeny bit more clunky.
I'd really like to see a more in-depth guide for the healing utility build.
33% crit is the softcap for 60-62 mobs (as orc) as I have stated previously in other shaman video guides. its much higher for raids, something like 51% against 63 mobs.
Twisting totems gives you an 8.5 second window to melee
Nightfall @ 3.5 speed is only 2 swings
Annihilator @ 1.7 is a solid 5 swings
You should choose axes @ 2.80 speed or less to be optimal
Not worth going 31 resto 20 enh for support build? Helps personal mana I imagine.
Even the potential for you to be switched into a mana group to resto all mana then swapped back into melee group?
Sick guide man!
I'm definately running a shaman in classic thanks to your guide!
Amazing video. I love seeing ways to fit these less optimal specs into raids by designing them to improve OTHER classes spec.
Please show this to all the people who only look at meters to determine the value of a class haha.
I really like the idea of the spell crit build!...but are we actually allowed to use flame shock on a raid boss, with the debuff and all?
Not really. That's up to your raid of course. However, if you can't just keep spamming frost shock
@@DefcampMelderonTV would you say it would be possible to get gear for it to work during pre raid farming then?
@@MrNikomadsen yeah is say so. Hit will be hard of course but intellect will be easy to get
@@DefcampMelderonTV frost shock takes up a debuff slot too.
Nice guide Melderon! Quick question, do fire totem crits proc elemental devastation?
No, only spells do
@@DefcampMelderonTV aww good to know thanks!
I'm trying to get my head around stacking extra attack speed. With Nightfall having a rough PPM of 2ish adding extra swing speed can potentially interfere with windfury's 3 sec ICD, resulting in potentially less WF procs which result in lower Nightfall and flurry uptime.
There's no WF ICD in Classic
@@DefcampMelderonTV I assume you've tested that out? I tried to find a conclusive yea or nay regarding it and my net diving skills are severely lacking and unable to find out one way or another.
@@drmwatson15 The big change they made in vanilla, was to remove the ability for windfury to proc of itself. I think it was in TBC they added the internal cooldown. Atleast from what I remember.
@@drmwatson15 yup. On the beta. No icd. It didn't in vanilla either
@@johanlahti84 correct
I am playing enhancement shaman in raid but I think that I could improve my performance a lot as I only autohit the bosses and twist totems for my melee group. Any advice?
Shyvana_x3 thanks for that advice :P actually I stopped twisting and started playing for dmggggg! Feels much better and is much more fun 🤪☺️😁
three 33% chances does not make 100%, it makes about 71% chance. 29% of the time will still not be a crit. Unless i'm missing something and the 3 attacks don't have completely independent chance of critting.
It's all independent but remember that Flurry grants 3 stacks of increased attack speed and only normal swings consume them. Extra attacks from WF do not. So, the other subsequent two auto attacks can also proc Flurry. And, If you WF on just one of those 3 attacks, you have 5 chances (87%) to crit and proc Flurry before it falls off. But, WF can also proc on the other two normal hits as well lol. Essentially, if you have 33% crit and Flurry was just procced, you can achieve anywhere from a 71% (at least 1 crit in 3 attacks) to a 98% (at least 1 crit in 9 attacks) chance to refresh Flurry before losing it! The 98% chance requires you to WF three times in a row though, which only occurs at a 0.8% chance... and I rounded this to 100% in the video. However, 71% at a minimum ain't too shabby. Thanks for bringing this up. I honestly did not want to go into all this in the video. I feel like it would have taken me a while to explain this and then having to explain the chance of chances happening....
@@DefcampMelderonTV thanks for the explanation here! I just noticed something that seemed like a statistical mistake the way that it was stated in the video. It might have been worthwhile saying a bit more in the video about it so it didn't confuse people like me who know little about the intricacies of these types of interaction since it seems to coincidentally line up with one way of misunderstanding statistics.
@@DefcampMelderonTV
I'd say that its a great explanation except the "71% at minimum". Expected value =/= "at minimum". Just because you have 33.(3)% to crit it doesn't mean you will always hit one crit in one of the three hits, so "at minimum" stars may actually align and you actually can run entire raid and not crit even once ;-)
And even aside that, with 33% variance is still pretty high, and to have the calculated average you would need precisely one crit per 3 attacks - if you calculate the odds - even for having same total number of crits - when having two crits in first 3 attacks and then no crit then you are still not critcapped for the purpose of Flurry (and tbh my gut is saying me that you may not even be reaching the falling point until ~35-40% crit).
@@MajkaSrajka Interesting. Good breakdown. Well. Unfortunately, I can't change anything now. But, hopefully people will read this!
do i need a specific twisting gear (m5p) to effectively twisting?
As for Tauren, a hidden bonus is longer attack range. I remember on the first gruuls lair fight, the one boss who whirlwinds, and all the other melee had to run out, while i could just sit at max attack range and be just fine. Not a reason to pick them, but a nice mini perk if you happen to be one.
Can someone help me pls? I am thinking about switching form natures guidance specc to Elemental Devastation Build, but then i lose 3 points in elemental weapons which means 40% less wf procs. Isnt 40% wf proc stronger than potential 9% crit chance for nightfall debuffs?
The talent doesn't give you 40% wf proc, that would be extremelly broken
How are Shamans as far as grinding mobs in the open world at lvl 60?
I prefer to go 30/0/21 to farm both in open world and dungeons. Excellent with this spec. Enhancement, not as fast
this guide was awesome, i was thinking to go enhancement, but i can only find how bad they are in raid, and some coments about Nightfall, also i was looking for some information in this hybrid build i would love to know more about it. And finaly i have a question, i still not sure if i will be able to play in classic, but if i do it will be casual, how friendly are shamans and this builds for a casual raider ??
The thing is, their damage is not good, but their utility, in the form of totem twisting and proccing potential is great. That's where you will find strength. And yes, as long as you can totem twist, a casual player can really love this type of build and rotation.
Is their dmg really that bad? Or is if mediocre
Remember it's easier to pull threat in melee compared to at range when considering tranquil totem's value and shaman grouping.
Yea Tranquil can be good on Onyxia etc.
For tha hooooorde!! Damn if enhancement shammy doesnt embody that feeling like retribution paladin does for the alliance!
Enh Shaman vs Ret Paladin?
Do any of the "fire spell damage" elixirs from Alech work on shaman totems?
Yes, fire damage totems scale with spell damage and +fire damage so that should work.
doesnt flame shock use up a valueable debuff slot?
@@mihalyspenger7617 with totem twisting, they are a boon to your group and will increase overall DPS. and yes Flame shock is a debuff slot. Way to not watch the video yet comment anyway ;)
@@DefcampMelderonTV Obviously enhancement shaman with totem twisting is worthwhile in a raid, but my question was if the damage of flameshock is worth giving up a debuff slot?
@@invictus5433 likely not but that was only for the spell crit build. If it's an issue, just use Frost shock
@@mihalyspenger7617 resto shaman cannot twist as well due to intense APM of healing and they don't have the Mana pool for it. An enhancement shaman with your top melee DPS will produce more overall damage
@@invictus5433 Frost Shock does have a debuff as well but since bosses are immune, it won't be applied
will there be an update about which build ends up being the best? Really want to play enhancement
then just play enchancement, everything has it pro's and cons, Just unlocked two-handers on shaman together w rockbiter I hit 200+ crits at level 20 :) As long as you skip the bad skills it's fine tbh
is enh. really that bad how people saying? i kinda enjoy lvling my shamn... but i dont know what to play when i reach 60..
yeah, i'm getting really sad too, i'm started playing vanilla (first time playing it) pretending to play with enhance shaman, but probably if i want to have a spot on endgame i will need to reroll resto, sad
@@carloseduardo-fo1rq yep.. u kinda have to play resto in the end... sadly.. prolly go priest... if i wanna heal.. i can do it the best as priest
How do we increase our hit rating to %9 ? I couldn't find anything about it ..
Gear that gives +hit
Finally
Sucks that magma totem's spell power coefficient is so negligible... I mean, I guess it doesn't suck that bad for enhancement. But overall totem usefulness. Also the totem having its own threat table is pretty garbage... Glad blizzard reworked totems and that that totem especially in late wrath
Holy shit that elem devastation build is utter shit. You are losing 3% hit with melee and spells, Improved WF, and 10% dmg for an inconsequential probability to get an elemental devastation proc. Your chance to crit with spells is basically nothing. That talent might be worth 1-2% crit, at best. That's probably being generous.... Also, since you are constantly spamming rank 1 shocks, you are interrupting your mana regen via spirit. You can get 2 ticks of spirit regen during twisting totems, if you don't cast anything else.
If one were to go for the intellect / spell crit build, would it be preferable to go for an orc or a troll in terms of min/maxing?
Troll because of Serking 😘
pls make a guide on spellhance build
Why is this over 30 minutes long and not a 5 minute guide to getting a Nightfall axe?
Because it's about totem twisting. That's the big benefit. If you click some timestamps, your questions will be answered.
@@DefcampMelderonTV You missed the joke by so much you must have 1/300 weapon skill on whatever you were using.
@@WormyMaster jokes are near impossible to convey over text. That being said: haha
because even with Nightfall you will be shit. 100x better but still kinda shit.
Just need a priest guide now! 😁
Pester Defcamp to make one!
@@DefcampMelderonTV haha I've asked him on stream a couple of times!
@@evasion.6096 he's a slacker
13:41 for talents
Timestamps are in a pinned comment
Defcamp & Melderon TV ohh sorry, i didn’t see.
Thanks for the guide tho, i’ve been trying to find a new one because i’m going enhance for raids, hopefully
@@orangecrushprod7607 this one is good but check out the shaman masterclass I just did. Use the timestamps to get to enhancement
Hell yeah
Can you please reupload your Hunter pre raid bis Guide?
we never did one
if you drop windfury to buff the melle party, why also have windfury enchants? wouldnt it be better for damage to have flametongue weapon enchant? Or does it simply not stack?
Doesn't stack mate
They don't stack, and (PLEASE correct me if I remember wrong here) the regular weapon buffs will take priority over the totem weapon buffs because they are stronger.
@@markuspursche4872 correct
@@DefcampMelderonTV Do you main Boomkin? Because I feel pretty star-struck right now. ;)
@@markuspursche4872 Yes also correct
What would be the pre-raid BiS shield/offhand for phase 1? Gizlock's Hypertech Buckler?
Always a good choice
Is this considered as a meme spec ?
Sam Laflamme frost shock
Very much so
if u are lvling u need improve ghost wolf... need to move fast
Couldn’t a restro shammy pull off totem twisting and raid heal? Kinda like holy weaving for priest
Any shaman can totem twist, however Enhancement Shaman do not have to worry about using mana on healing, unless they can or want to. Furthermore, its very hard to heal and totem twists for 2 reasons: mana cost and actions per minute. Remember, one cycle (10s) of totem twisting costs 475-532 mana with talents depending on the rank of GoA Totem you have! That's a lot of mana not going to healing. Finally, Improved Weapon Totems and Enhancing Totems make the twisting more effective. Now, of course, a resto can get these talents too but then they lose out on Mana Tide
Adds Ghost Wolf talents for raid spec, but not for leveling Spec, hmmmmmm :P
Ghost Wolf talent is a must for leveling.
26:01 4.4% crit chance for warriors dam didnt know it was that high.
Will nightfall be available phase one?
nah phase 3 i think
@@skillUnit Correct. Annihilator will be out at launch
21/30/0 Shaman is going to be top dps for sure. Need 1h axe with a caster off hand.
My guide is much simpler. If the dumbass raid tries to make you twist totems as a Resto shaman, then go enhancement. Otherwise don't. Finding another guild might be a better long term option too.
What's mp5?
Mana gain per 5 seconds.
I enjoyed the guide. Tons of great info in here which is awesome, one of the few concise guides for enhancement shaman. The only thing I have concern with is the emphasis on debuff proccing. Enhancement shaman are there to buff dps, toss the occasional off heal if needed, and to deal damage. When I played on Elysium, it wasn't uncommon for me to hit top 5 or top 7 dps when actually being allowed to deal damage. We all know that hunters or even an off-tank warrior are better at proccing Nightfall or Annihilator than we are, so why assume that role? I think that being in that role perpetuates this idea that enh shaman are unable to deal proper damage, which is just not true. I preferred using this build classicdb.ch/?talent#hE0zx0hZxVcdVMht when playing enhance. Re-casting lightning shield, IS damage, and clear casting is great for your mana efficiency. You can proc a elemental focus with rank 1s if you'd like to keep flurry up, and then use a max rank Earth Shock for a massive damage spike, granted that you're watching your KTM or another threat meter. During later stages of the game, it's not uncommon to see 2k crit Earth Shocks or even 3k (if you have the AQ tier on) which means you're giving up large amounts of damage which is a big growth opportunity. I'd also try and get your hands on a Drake Talon Cleaver as quick as possible, especially if you're playing orc as the WF procs can help with proccing the cleaver's fatal blow, which is an immense dps booster. I also hate the idea of giving up damage talents for the hit in the resto tree. 6% is not difficult to hit in most cases. Between Voone's Vice Grips, black dragon scale, blackstone ring, devilsaur, Slashclaw bracers, or Truestrike shoulders, you should be able to facilitate your hit cap with little difficulty, and be rewarded with damage talents. I'd check out The Vanilla Dream's channel, and watch him on his shaman "Pudgy". He puts up some seriously respectable numbers. Cheers
The totem twisting play style sounds boring and miserable
*class fantasy intensifies*
2019 is the year where vanilla wow flavor text became hot shit.
WF imbue, auto attack, press Stormstrike. Hope for WF procs xD
haha first raid leader that tries to deny me a raid spot, will get that increased crit and dps table shoved in his face :D been fighting this since day one of vanilla :)
this is not a dps guide, its a support guide.