It's starting to sound like a pretty good update. I've never run in a true super shoe so I don't have much frame of reference when you compare to the Alphafly or TYR.
Congrats on your long run and SB prediction! Today I went out for my long 12 mile run using the Asics Superblast that I just bought for $180 (had a $20 gift card from xmas). It was fantastic- light, cushioned and responsive. This sounds like how you felt using the Boston 12, but over an ounce lighter... Def better than Speed 3 so far
@@MadLadsAnonymous right out of box, they felt firm but bouncy. After 10 miles, they feel slightly more flexible but still a very stiff shoe. I got about 20 miles in, so we'll see... I will do an update if there are more changes, thanks
Great review! Love the rebels! And you answered my biggest question concerning v4. I prefer to train in non plated shoes if possible and have been struggling to find the perfect lightweight energetic long run shoe. I still use v2 & v3, but I might have to test these out for my 20 mile tempo runs along with the endorphin speed 4 and the Hyperion Max 2 when they come out.
The market calling this and similar shoes minimal or flats is hilarious. The original Kinvara, which was glorified as a light weight cushion shoe to take on the marathon, had 18mm of foam in the heel with only 14 on the fore foot. The rebel v4 and Cielo road are awesome shoes.
I run in some lower stack shoes to try and keep my legs honest. I agree it is another type of workout. The newer high stack wave is great and enables us to run longer with fresher legs. But low stack shoes can tell you where you are weak and help build strength. Currently my low stack option is Karhu Ikoni. I have always loved Karhu and while they have raised their stack heights, they are still quite low compared to market.
Thanks again for these ongoing reviews. So many people just do one take based on one or two runs. I';m curious where exactly this shoe would end up in your lineup. Something like a NB 1080/880 is probably a workhorse/recovery/LSD shoe, but is this shoe nimble enough for shorter tempo workouts? (if it is I have a feeling it might be a great value shoe, as I'm guessing the extra stack will add to its durability). I loved Rebels 2 and 3 as tempo shoes, wouldn't have considered them for LSD or recovery runs (though the 3 probably would have been okay for a short recovery, much like the Saucony Speed). I'm all for a varied shoe rotation, but just not sure what unique role this shoe could serve if it is not that effective for tempo workouts. Or is it just that plated trainers (I have real durability concerns about trainers with carbon plates) will always be better at the fastest paces/efforts?
I will probably use this as a lightweight daily trainer, treadmill and workout shoe for any fast and shorter (under 12 miles total) speed work going forward. I'm preferring to do workouts in plated shoes right now given my mileage levels and where I'm at in training (I can use all the help with recovery that I can get), but as we get into the summer and I'm in more of a strength and speed part of the training cycle I'll likely switch back into non plated shoes for speedwork. By the way, this shoe has handled recovery runs great as well so far - much better than v3
It looks like a great daily trainer, might fit in the rotation for road work when trails are muddy, using Nnormal Kjerag. Speed 3 have felt a little unstable with forefoot striking and started feeling a little too squishy for my liking.
The Nike Downshifter 6 was the second running shoe I ever had. The cheapest shoe I could find, that still felt comfortable on step in. Loved it so much! Used to run every day back then, with my dog, so fond memories of that shoe. When I couldn't find it anymore, I tried the 10, which was a total different shoe, I only used it for walking. That's when my search for the perfect shoe, and my shoe hoarding started. Now that I'm used to good running shoes, I probably wouldn't even be able to run in a Downshifter 6 again.
Ayy well first off glad to have you here Running with us! And no 23 miles is not typical - I run a lot 😂 most people work up to between 16 and 20 miles as a long run if they are training for a marathon. But it's not typical to go 20+ every week. I like doing it every week though because going long is the best way to get faster over time. Please let me know if you have any questions on shoes, training etc as you get into it 💪🏽
Interesting coverage of this shoe. Would it be similar in cushioning to the Topo Cyclone 2? Topo has less stack but more pebax so maybe they balance out
I haven't tried the cyclone 2 yet but I've heard good things. I wouldn't attempt a 3 hour long run in it personally though - in my experience EVA based foams holds up a little better over the long haul. PEBA without the carbon plate can get a little squishy for my liking
If I had to choose between the two for a long run then yes 1080 (unless it's a long run workout). But from new balance's training shoe lineup I prefer the sc trainer v2 the most for long runs. Cushion is soft and forgiving enough for long miles but the plate helps keep the midsole lively toward the 2+ hour mark. I don't take the 1080 past two hours - great shoe but it's a little soft for being out there for that long, and especially would not use it if running marathon pace
@@supwell Thanks man. I'm still a lil scared of plates (don't know why), BUT I'm also a very inexperienced runner and barely go past the halfmarathon distance. So I guess I lot of these things don't apply to me. Love your channel tho!
@@koegnessplates def are not necessary, especially if you're going up to the half marathon and not beyond at this point. I would take the 1080 for that purpose for sure - thanks for clarifying
Good to hear that V4 can hold up a little longer than the other versions ..I can get up to 18-20mi in the others by switching shoes during my run..after that foot fatigue starts to sink in..after I wear out the others I will try V4..it will take a while cos OG fuel cell has good durability for me..hearing the birds chirping during your run is great..probably 2 more months til we will hear them here..😢
Ugh. After all your hype videos for the 1080v13. I made a special trip fleet feet(an hour away) and tried them on and for sure much improvement in feel over the v12. I plan on using them Friday for my recovery day. But this video makes me wanna get this one too! Maybe when I wear out my cyclone 2 I’ll have to grab them.
1080s are awesome - you'll love them for those recovery days. and i really want to try the cyclone 2 as well. i've heard so many good things about that shoe
Bro my first pair of running shoes was the Nike Free RN. It was during the pandemic. My shit hurt so bad all the time lmao How’s rebel compared to the Velocity 3? I’m loving mine now as they are conforming to my foot more and not feeling so stiff.
hahaha yeah these new shoes are sooo much more comfortable. i ran in the velocity nitro 3 again this afternoon to compare and they're super different - the rebels are better for slower paces and feel more forgiving. they also have a little more of a rocker. the velocity nitro 3 i like for fast running and they are better than the rebels for longer runs from the higher stack (i went 22 in the puma during testing). velocity nitro 3 definitely have a stiffer but more supportive feel in general than the rebels
FYI it's very easy to locate exactly where you live when you put up a map and show running shots of street names. I want to make sure that you're being safe on here. There are some wild people out there.
You can't beat or argue with nostalgia....people get crazy when you do. If I had to guess, the new trend is going to be around using these newer foams to their full potential by reducing the weight. AlphaFly V3 is a good example. Evo Pro 1 is another. Most brands are going to struggle for a bit on the weight side, but once they catch Nike and Adidas again....that's when we will see the next major shift in shoe tech.
Rebel v4 is a lot lower and lighter - better for fast running and short runs. I love the 1080 for relaxed running where I'm not worried about pace. Rebel v4 is better for those days where you're doing any type of speed
@@supwell thank you so much for your answer 🤩 I’ll get the 1080s then, I prefer to buy last years supershoes discounted for the faster stuff, shoes like the rc/sc elite or endorphins. I need a new easy + long run alternative, been loving the invincibles and the triumphs, thinking the 1080s will treat me well! Have a great day :)
As a high school going into college runner what would you recommend for shoe rotations. As of right now I use the rebel v3 for my workouts but am looking for a shoe for recovery/long run. After seeing your videos about the v4 was maybe thinking those could be the ones
You may want a little more cushion for long runs if you're going more than 90 minutes. If the v3 still has life left for workouts, I'd get the 1080v13 for long and recovery runs and keep the v3 for fast running
Damn I didn’t like this shoe. Good propulsive cushion. After mile 5 I really started to feel the road; it feels like the cushion compressed too much in my run and I started to bruise the bottom of my foot. I’ve never actually heard the term “bottom out” but that would describe how I felt. I’m 6’1, 175 lbs. I recently switched from Pegasus 39s that have over 500 miles on them and my first impression was incredible upgrade on the foam. Also, horrible back of the heel rubbing… good 5k shoe Id say. Probably not my long run shoe.
It’s not minimalist. No need to overthink it. It is NOT. I think runners also do the same with weight. Perception is extremely skewed on what heavy is. There are “underweight” or “normal” weight people who have been referred to as heavier runners
I'm looking for easy long-run shoes, long run like ultra distance. I'm thinking of the 1080 v13 do you think it can support me for those distances? or should I get more light and has more energy return shoes? tia 🫶
Definitely the 1080v13 over this - more cushioning and support. But of all the shoes in new balance's lineup, I would actually suggest the SC Trainer v2 for that. The carbon plate in there helps a ton at the end of long runs but it's still soft and forgiving underfoot - it's a great long run shoe
Great perspective on this shoe, and good lesson on plated vs non-plated shoe.
I just got the shoes, thanks for providing great info!
It's starting to sound like a pretty good update. I've never run in a true super shoe so I don't have much frame of reference when you compare to the Alphafly or TYR.
Yeah I'm really liking what they've done with it in v4
Post-run shotgun is now my new recovery tool
Congrats on your long run and SB prediction! Today I went out for my long 12 mile run using the Asics Superblast that I just bought for $180 (had a $20 gift card from xmas). It was fantastic- light, cushioned and responsive. This sounds like how you felt using the Boston 12, but over an ounce lighter... Def better than Speed 3 so far
How many miles before the midsole on the Superblast broke in for you?
@@MadLadsAnonymous right out of box, they felt firm but bouncy. After 10 miles, they feel slightly more flexible but still a very stiff shoe. I got about 20 miles in, so we'll see... I will do an update if there are more changes, thanks
Great Super Bowl prediction 🏈. Shoutout to the Merrimack Valley, I’m from Dracut but live in Florida now.
Former neighbors! I miss the pats glory days but I certainly don't miss those NE winters
@@supwell Yup, exactly why I moved. Took up running during COVID, can’t say I’d be running outside in MA in winter.
Great review! Love the rebels! And you answered my biggest question concerning v4. I prefer to train in non plated shoes if possible and have been struggling to find the perfect lightweight energetic long run shoe. I still use v2 & v3, but I might have to test these out for my 20 mile tempo runs along with the endorphin speed 4 and the Hyperion Max 2 when they come out.
I’d go with the Rebel V4. I’m sure it can do everything those two other shoes do at a much lower price.
I have the same bottle! Love it. I can’t believe you shotgunned a non alcoholic beer 😂😂🎉
Loving your videos. Keep it up 😊
Have you wondered try Asics Evoride Speed (now in version 2)? I think it is so underrated as a lightwheight stable tempo shoe
Haven't tried yet - thanks for the recommendation
Just the video i neede. Thanks!
The market calling this and similar shoes minimal or flats is hilarious. The original Kinvara, which was glorified as a light weight cushion shoe to take on the marathon, had 18mm of foam in the heel with only 14 on the fore foot. The rebel v4 and Cielo road are awesome shoes.
I run in some lower stack shoes to try and keep my legs honest. I agree it is another type of workout. The newer high stack wave is great and enables us to run longer with fresher legs. But low stack shoes can tell you where you are weak and help build strength. Currently my low stack option is Karhu Ikoni. I have always loved Karhu and while they have raised their stack heights, they are still quite low compared to market.
Thanks again for these ongoing reviews. So many people just do one take based on one or two runs. I';m curious where exactly this shoe would end up in your lineup. Something like a NB 1080/880 is probably a workhorse/recovery/LSD shoe, but is this shoe nimble enough for shorter tempo workouts? (if it is I have a feeling it might be a great value shoe, as I'm guessing the extra stack will add to its durability). I loved Rebels 2 and 3 as tempo shoes, wouldn't have considered them for LSD or recovery runs (though the 3 probably would have been okay for a short recovery, much like the Saucony Speed).
I'm all for a varied shoe rotation, but just not sure what unique role this shoe could serve if it is not that effective for tempo workouts. Or is it just that plated trainers (I have real durability concerns about trainers with carbon plates) will always be better at the fastest paces/efforts?
I will probably use this as a lightweight daily trainer, treadmill and workout shoe for any fast and shorter (under 12 miles total) speed work going forward. I'm preferring to do workouts in plated shoes right now given my mileage levels and where I'm at in training (I can use all the help with recovery that I can get), but as we get into the summer and I'm in more of a strength and speed part of the training cycle I'll likely switch back into non plated shoes for speedwork. By the way, this shoe has handled recovery runs great as well so far - much better than v3
It looks like a great daily trainer, might fit in the rotation for road work when trails are muddy, using Nnormal Kjerag. Speed 3 have felt a little unstable with forefoot striking and started feeling a little too squishy for my liking.
as soon as that game was over.., dropped another 1.. cool cool cool 😎
Thanks for this review. How does it compare to the Streakfly? It seems to be a similar lightweight cushioned fast shot distance shoe.
The Nike Downshifter 6 was the second running shoe I ever had. The cheapest shoe I could find, that still felt comfortable on step in. Loved it so much! Used to run every day back then, with my dog, so fond memories of that shoe. When I couldn't find it anymore, I tried the 10, which was a total different shoe, I only used it for walking. That's when my search for the perfect shoe, and my shoe hoarding started. Now that I'm used to good running shoes, I probably wouldn't even be able to run in a Downshifter 6 again.
So I took the insoles from the 1080 13's and threw them in the rebel. They're amazing right now
That's good to know - did that fix the issue people were talking about in the comments a few days ago with the midfoot having a bump to it?
I'm new to running. Is it typical for people to just casually go out and run a 23 miles?
Ayy well first off glad to have you here Running with us! And no 23 miles is not typical - I run a lot 😂 most people work up to between 16 and 20 miles as a long run if they are training for a marathon. But it's not typical to go 20+ every week. I like doing it every week though because going long is the best way to get faster over time. Please let me know if you have any questions on shoes, training etc as you get into it 💪🏽
@4:36 25-22 So close! 🤣
Interesting coverage of this shoe. Would it be similar in cushioning to the Topo Cyclone 2? Topo has less stack but more pebax so maybe they balance out
I haven't tried the cyclone 2 yet but I've heard good things. I wouldn't attempt a 3 hour long run in it personally though - in my experience EVA based foams holds up a little better over the long haul. PEBA without the carbon plate can get a little squishy for my liking
so you prefer the 1080 over the rebelv4 for a long run?
If I had to choose between the two for a long run then yes 1080 (unless it's a long run workout). But from new balance's training shoe lineup I prefer the sc trainer v2 the most for long runs. Cushion is soft and forgiving enough for long miles but the plate helps keep the midsole lively toward the 2+ hour mark. I don't take the 1080 past two hours - great shoe but it's a little soft for being out there for that long, and especially would not use it if running marathon pace
@@supwell Thanks man. I'm still a lil scared of plates (don't know why), BUT I'm also a very inexperienced runner and barely go past the halfmarathon distance. So I guess I lot of these things don't apply to me. Love your channel tho!
@@koegnessplates def are not necessary, especially if you're going up to the half marathon and not beyond at this point. I would take the 1080 for that purpose for sure - thanks for clarifying
Good to hear that V4 can hold up a little longer than the other versions ..I can get up to 18-20mi in the others by switching shoes during my run..after that foot fatigue starts to sink in..after I wear out the others I will try V4..it will take a while cos OG fuel cell has good durability for me..hearing the birds chirping during your run is great..probably 2 more months til we will hear them here..😢
Benefits of living in the Carolinas - we even had flowers start popping up last week 🤯
Ugh. After all your hype videos for the 1080v13. I made a special trip fleet feet(an hour away) and tried them on and for sure much improvement in feel over the v12. I plan on using them Friday for my recovery day. But this video makes me wanna get this one too! Maybe when I wear out my cyclone 2 I’ll have to grab them.
1080s are awesome - you'll love them for those recovery days. and i really want to try the cyclone 2 as well. i've heard so many good things about that shoe
Bro my first pair of running shoes was the Nike Free RN. It was during the pandemic. My shit hurt so bad all the time lmao
How’s rebel compared to the Velocity 3? I’m loving mine now as they are conforming to my foot more and not feeling so stiff.
hahaha yeah these new shoes are sooo much more comfortable. i ran in the velocity nitro 3 again this afternoon to compare and they're super different - the rebels are better for slower paces and feel more forgiving. they also have a little more of a rocker. the velocity nitro 3 i like for fast running and they are better than the rebels for longer runs from the higher stack (i went 22 in the puma during testing). velocity nitro 3 definitely have a stiffer but more supportive feel in general than the rebels
@@supwell oh wow, they do sound rly different then. I thought I’d miss the rocker feel but tbh it’s surprisingly nice and welcomed in the velocity.
FYI it's very easy to locate exactly where you live when you put up a map and show running shots of street names. I want to make sure that you're being safe on here. There are some wild people out there.
I want to get thses so bad!
NB is measuring stack differently than other brands, possibly just midsole foam. Hoka would liekly call them 37/31.
Ha! Excited to have mine 😂😊
How's the durability of the midsole and outsole compared to other shoes?
Wow. Sb prediction was only off by 1 point for each team
SL2 or Novablast 4?!
You can't beat or argue with nostalgia....people get crazy when you do. If I had to guess, the new trend is going to be around using these newer foams to their full potential by reducing the weight.
AlphaFly V3 is a good example. Evo Pro 1 is another. Most brands are going to struggle for a bit on the weight side, but once they catch Nike and Adidas again....that's when we will see the next major shift in shoe tech.
Great prediction - I'm also interested to see if/when we get mass-market marathon racers under 5 oz
How does it compare to 1080 v13?
Rebel v4 is a lot lower and lighter - better for fast running and short runs. I love the 1080 for relaxed running where I'm not worried about pace. Rebel v4 is better for those days where you're doing any type of speed
@@supwell thank you so much for your answer 🤩 I’ll get the 1080s then, I prefer to buy last years supershoes discounted for the faster stuff, shoes like the rc/sc elite or endorphins. I need a new easy + long run alternative, been loving the invincibles and the triumphs, thinking the 1080s will treat me well!
Have a great day :)
As a high school going into college runner what would you recommend for shoe rotations. As of right now I use the rebel v3 for my workouts but am looking for a shoe for recovery/long run. After seeing your videos about the v4 was maybe thinking those could be the ones
You may want a little more cushion for long runs if you're going more than 90 minutes. If the v3 still has life left for workouts, I'd get the 1080v13 for long and recovery runs and keep the v3 for fast running
Where is the Cielo X1 long run review? Why is this getting tested before the Hokas?
Lol you were very close with superbowl prediction, spin off RUclips channel? Lol haha
Have you reviewed novablast 4?
Haven't run in the novablast 4 yet
Damn I didn’t like this shoe. Good propulsive cushion. After mile 5 I really started to feel the road; it feels like the cushion compressed too much in my run and I started to bruise the bottom of my foot. I’ve never actually heard the term “bottom out” but that would describe how I felt. I’m 6’1, 175 lbs. I recently switched from Pegasus 39s that have over 500 miles on them and my first impression was incredible upgrade on the foam. Also, horrible back of the heel rubbing… good 5k shoe Id say. Probably not my long run shoe.
19-20 miles is easy🙃
It’s not minimalist. No need to overthink it. It is NOT. I think runners also do the same with weight. Perception is extremely skewed on what heavy is. There are “underweight” or “normal” weight people who have been referred to as heavier runners
1st?
The one thing to make this video right is to just use the metric system . What’s wrong with the US
I'm looking for easy long-run shoes, long run like ultra distance. I'm thinking of the 1080 v13 do you think it can support me for those distances? or should I get more light and has more energy return shoes? tia 🫶
Definitely the 1080v13 over this - more cushioning and support. But of all the shoes in new balance's lineup, I would actually suggest the SC Trainer v2 for that. The carbon plate in there helps a ton at the end of long runs but it's still soft and forgiving underfoot - it's a great long run shoe