What would Littlefinger be like as King? | Game of Thrones
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- MrBushido asked us a simple question : If Littlefinger was King what would the realm look like?
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When it comes to Baelish as king, an old quote comes to mind.
That if he found himself a king, he'd want to be an Emperor. If he was Emperor, he'd want to be a god. nothing would be enough
Probably but him being king would keep him very busy
I think that is a near perfect way of describing his outlook. Unfortunately he lacks the Pysker abilities of your good self. There can only be one God Emperor 🙏
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Sounds similar to a great general named Bonaparte
@@TheFandomeClips The emperor protects!
He’d be the biggest pedophile! Baelish’s love life during his youth was cut short by stronger suitors. Dating a woman with her own strengths would reignite painful memories for him and restore a deep fear of her leaving him. Baelish would start with a younger lover that he could easily manipulate, then a teenager, like Sansa, then, an actual child! Baelish was incapable of love and only wanted control!
*Littlefinger becomes ruler of Westeros*
"Now what?"
Littlefinger: "I don't know, I never thought I'd get this far."
Pretty much 😂 i genuinely think that not even George (and by extension LF) knows whats actually at the top of the ladder hes climbing anymore 😂
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@@TheFandomeClips RULER OF THE WORLD NEXT! MORE AND MORE AND MORE POWER!!!!
He would keep trying to create more ''chaos'' in his kingdom between other houses, so that he could keep other houses in check by saving them when they need, try to look like hero when in reality he would be the one causing conflicts.
Petyr would definitely go the Tokugawa route and make sure he's the last nobody able to become somebody
Hideyoshi route, toyotomi hideyoshi used to be a sandal bearer and then during his reign made the social ladder a social cliff
Time to see how Walder Frey would turn out as king of the Iron Throne
Haha thats actually a great idea 💡 😄 I think that in the same way littlefingers key word is "expansion" i think Walders keyword would be "breeding" 😂 one things for sure he wouldn't be short of heirs lol.
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😂😂i see it now, the late walder frey, an undead Frey on the iron throne.
Margaery, Sansa, Daenerys, and Cersei would all have Frey bastards.
thats the end game of the omni walder
War of the Five Kings? More like the War of the Fifty Kings if Walder was in charge.
I feel like as soon as he’d get it, he wouldn’t know what to do with it
I don't think that feeling is without merit in fairness, especially without the last two books.
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He would try to create more ''chaos'' between great houses as he already did to keep his crown, if other great houses are in conflict, it would be easier for him to control them. He could end the conflicts that he secretly started so he would look like hero and saviour of the kingdom.
I think so too when it comes to subduing the great houses. I also think he'd do it just out of fun for playing the game 😂 he clearly enjoys sparring with other players.
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It won't come cheap 😂 he was master of coin after all and he borrowed so much money.
Littlefinger is a bird who tries to find the highest tree or branch to perch but doesn’t know how to build his nest. He can in the modern age but he is unfortunately born in the medieval age of Westeros.
He doesn't really hold capital or meritocracy as an ideal, just a means to an end. He'd be the first to pull the ladder up behind him, so to speak, and would take action to thwart any other powerful merchants who want to follow in his footsteps.
What if Ned actually didn't make the same mistakes in Canon. An was a bit more pragmatic in politics and knows when to and i quote *(Put his honor aside)* like say not tell Cersei he knows about her, the kids and Jaime and tell her to run for it, cause he plans to tell Robert.
I think that's a tough one, just because ripping away Neds honor is ripping away Neds fundamental core as a character. But I definitely think had he played it smart and thrown in with Renly they could have secured much more favourable circumstances with which to beat the Lannisters.
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I personally feel like Ned should have replaced members of the small council with his banner men or those he trusted so he would have more allies to rely on in the capital, but not sure if he could be killed before that would go into effect.
It depends of who people he listen and who he put aside :
Trust Littlefinger = keep Pycell and Slint , put aside Stannis, Renly and Varys , take Joffrey to a hunt or sword practice ,tell him that he is cool and Cersei is boring and weak and convince him to sent Myrcella and Tommen to winterfel
Backlash : maybe Stannis and Renly are uniting their power ( because the Lannisters have 4 kingdoms behind their back ) and unite against you the Dorne ,Stormlands and the Reach where KL is not ready, that will pretty much broke Ned and he gets replace by Tywin
Littlefinger is paying City Watch and Ned needed them to win. Littlefinger would tell Cersei anyways so Ned couldn't take Kings landing from Lannisters. Only if Ned sides with Renly, and doesn't trust Littlefinger, then Renly's and Tyrells men in Kings Landing, they could perhaps take the city from Lannisters and City Watch, and Tywin probably wouldn't risk to fight an alliance such as Tyrell, Baratheon, Starks, Tully, he would draw his forces from Riverlands. Then its up to decide if Stannis would still use dark magic to kill Renly or not, if Ned and Renly has the Kings Landing, Stannis probably would try to negotiate with Ned first on Kings Landing and wait until Lannisters are defeated.
Chaos is a ladder….to the iron throne
-Littlefinger….probably
Hope he falls off that ladder 😂
Very funny 😂
He actually had a ton of privilege. Being a ward of river run due to his father, or grandfather I forget, befriending Hoster Tully gave him the Lisa connection which he used to get as far as he got.
He acts as if he wasn’t part of the noble classes or had any leg-ups getting places, but he was and he did.
I could see him slowly setting up a Oligarchic style system. Kind of like the Medieval Republics (not in the modern sense) in Italy or Germany.
A intresting idea Kaleb! Even an autocrat needs friends!
Thanks for watching! Liam
Why? He doesn't care for the common people (look how he is prepared to drive up corn prices to line his own pocket - or how treats Jeyne Poole, for that matter), he's manipulated his way to power under the system as it is. You don't overturn a social order in which you are winning. The only reason he might seek to change the system would be if his chosen King got a little too independent (but Kings can always be removed with a swift dagger or drop of poison, which is much safer).
@@johnpotts8308 Oligarchic nations don't really care about the common people. Russia is a modern example of an oligarchy.
He could raise the crowns army. Joffrey mentioned the idea and seeing how crucial the Lannister army was in the war of the five kings acting as de facto crown's army. He may want to have a system of defence in the case of any uprising. He could recruit high ranking officers from the lower lords pulling some power from the high lords and ensuring loyalty of the officers. That would centralise power in the hands of the crown while "flattening" the structure of the feudal system.
A Common little Finger W… until he was replaced with a faceless man in the show
😂
The thought of little finger becoming king has never came to mind not even for a second until now lmao
Loved the Edward Longshanks cameo
He's basically Sheev Palpatine of Game of Throne in this scenario
Minus the army of clones and hatred for the jew... I mean Jedi
@@willbeard4835The Jedi don’t practice usury
@@MDE_never_dies and the jews do in your area?
I think it would literally be like Qarth, prosperous trading nation with naked left tit and porn walls. Also in the books it is described how well he invested money and placed his own men everywhere, so even Tyrion with power could not get rid of him.
Westaros would turn more into a absolute monarchy then it is now
What if Theon escaped winter fell during Ramsey siege and took the black, I would expecially with the ANNOYING HORN BLOWER!
Almost certainly the Black Brothers would kill him, if not a Northerner than Jon when he comes back from his undercover mission.
@nahlataha1744
That’s illegal they can’t kill their brothers or they’d get executed
@@dakotalange2858 but who would rather them out, or do it in a way that would lead back to them
They’d still be executed not everyone would give a crap he did that, there are Murders and r@pists poachers and other people at the wall
Jon is the only one with a reason to which would put him in thornes list the other people there don’t care they are from other houses or poor people they don’t care so Jon’s head gonna be the first one they come after Theon isn’t a good fighter so he’s probably in the steward or builders
LOTR's Theory Idea: what would have happened if different decisions were made at the council of Elrond(Sending the ring west, Giving it to Tom Bombadil, Giving it to Aragorn)
Tom Bombadil wouldn't want it and it would corrupt Aragorn.
Reading the books would answer most of the "what if they did this to the Ring" -scenarios - since they were actually discussed in the council of Elrond.
Yep basically Sauron gets it back and wins in any scenario except the one they took
Love the little banter at the beginning of these 😊
It is actually an interesting idea, I would definitely like to see one for Stannis.
I’ve mentioned this over in the discord but I think realistically the closest little finger can get to sitting on the throne would be to become hand of the king. Which I remember hearing Jaime thought he would be one of the best options to be Tommens hand. With Kevin dead he and Mace Tyrell must be the only real options for hand of the king and we all know that Ceresi is no big fan of the Tyrells. I don’t know if little finger would take the offer or not it’s hard to say he’s probably decently content in the Vale. Awesome video as always from you guys!
Something that would be reale nice were a Video on wath happened If Ned would be the Regent Like Robert wanted him to ne.
Me and Thom have poked around that idea (basically a what if Ned didn't fuck up type of vid) , but we find it really hard to turn off Neds honour and keep it still Ned, its so unbelievably fundamental to his character.
Great suggestion though Mattesnilgen 👌 Thanks for watching! Liam
It wouldn't take much for Ned to come out on top in KL. It really doesn't. I don't think warning Cersei does much as she would be likely to sieze power whether Ned tells on her or not. She wants it too much and hates him too much. The problem was his potential ally in Renly abandoned him too early, and he was outbid on the city watch issue.
Had Renly stuck around, or manoeuvred a few more of his allies into the capital earlier (which as Master of Laws he can do - He is technically the Goldcloaks boss so he should have been stacking them with his supporters well in advance) then things would go very differently.
Hmmmm.
He is competent and skilful in terms of what he can do. I think he would in theory be capable of being a decent king in terms of his abilities.
However I do not think he would be a good king for 2 reasons. First, he has a personality that would prevent him from creating genuine allies which will limit his ability to have backing for any changes he wants. This would lead him to needing to spend a fair bit of time shutting down rivalries and so on.
Secondly, he has no actual intention or desire to do good things. He would not work to benefit the people. They do not matter anything to him except as pawns.
I think my thoughts are he is excellent at playing the game of thrones and could become a ruler fairly skilfully. However he does not have the traits to be a good ruler for the kingdom.
Edit: Second thought - I never get the sense from him that he is interested in any type of real egalitarianism. He only really cares about being in charge himself not the system itself. I get the idea is that this is the better thought for the video but I don't buy it for Littlefinger.
Thats a great critique Neo! I kind of see what your saying. Basically he'd be like Robert Baratheon, except instead of smashing his way to the top he would scheme his way there and once he got there he'd probably wish he could go back in time as he enjoyed the journey more than the destination.
Thanks for watching as always mate! Liam
@@TheFandomeClips That is a way better way of saying it than I did!!
Although I think he would be far more disciplined than Robert so not lose his edge as much, but also be far less able to unite a realm under him than Robert was.
Random thought - What would Bobby B be like as a king had he had to deal with another civil war earlier into his reign? I imagine him ruling during a time of Ninepenny kings or Blackfyre rebellions would have kept him active enough to stave off some of the worst of his vices and play to his strengths somewhat.
Agreed! Littlefinger would want to build a system that benefits Littlefinger. Creating a meritocracy or capitalistic system might mean someone could rise up to challenge him.
He might build up the realm to build his power but Littlefinger would immediately take out any threats even if it harms the realm overall
Must admit - very interesting video format. I'd like to see more. Especially as I really enjoy the 'how would this faction win...' series
Great video, as always, honestly you are up their as my favourite game of thrones channels, you and alt shift x are legendary. You have to do a stannis video
Now that is high high praise indeed Hayden thank you so much! To be put in the same sentence as Alt shift X is honestly a great honor (how that guy can just talk over a slide show and call the banners the way he does speaks to just how awesome his words are)
Oh I'm sure we'll have a pop at Stannis, if only for my own curiosity.
Thanks for watching Hayden matey! Liam
to be fair to George it is extremely hard to produce high quality writing and writing can easily take years to accomplish. its easy for consumers to consume but for writers it can be very Mentally challenging and Taxing to create a high quality story you can theorize about. and sometimes you do need a period of time to "Recover" i would not be surprised if it took five more years for George to release more content. dont forget that it is very mentally taxing to create high quality content. J.R.R Tolkien dedicated his life to his work and upon his death even considered his work unfinished. that is a massive dedication
12 years…
Having only watched the show....yeah Peter never really wants to rule.
He wants to smash Cat. He removes the obstacles that prevent him from doing so only to get her killed in the process.
He then moves his desires to Sansa, avenges Cat, and removes his obsticles to smash her.
Ignoring the DnD whole sale seasons this is what he wants and cares nothing for anything else. His thirst for power is a means to an end.
I can't believe how dumb they made him in the show. In the books he is legitimately in the conversation for currently winning, discounting wildcards like Dany and Stannis, its basically LF and Varys punching it out for that top spot in the story currently.
I agree with your take on the shows version though! 😂
Thanks for watching as always Josh!
This video is great and spot on.
definitely a great idea! Do one for Ygritte on the Iron Throne next
Great video!!! I think it would be really interesting to take a look at who would be effective rulers of the realm (Tywin, Olenna, Catelyn, etc), who would be bad (Robert, Cersei, Avalon Greyjoy, etc) and those who would be hard to say (Danaerys Targaryen being a prime example with her questionable job running Mereen but potential to learn and improve).
One video for each in depth would be my preference but I could see doing a top 3 type of thing 😁
Thanks Jeremy! I think with the rate this video is picking up that might be on the cards. Probably do Rob and Stannis first but we could definitely look at Tywin, Olena ect......
Thanks for watching! Liam
Littlefinger is the Mr. House of Westeros
Great topic, it caught my attention immediately. My favorite person to sit on the throne would have been Olenna Tyrell. She’d be perfect. Robert’s fear was actually leading so fear paralyzed him and he fell. LF is a manipulator so that’ll likely be his downfall.
Thanks Trey! Yeah Olena is just so unbelievably boss and would make for a magnificent Monarch (or as the primary advisor to Margery)
I mean she had a king killed under his own roof just because she didn't like the things she'd heard about him 😂 how badass can you be?
Thanks for watching as always mate! Liam
@@TheFandomeClips Yeah, Joffrey was just Joffrey, he behaved more like a Targaryen and had to go. Like the mad king, within that kingdom he would have been worse than a plague if he ruled into his fifties. props to her for doing it.
Brothels on every corner!
I personally think that Littlefinger wants to be the lord of the vale, the riverlands and the north. With fAegon as king, I honestly think he would pledge himself to him and solidify rule over the val, riverlands and the north. If I;m honest, I want littlefinger to succeed, then lose the north with the return of Rickon and Sansa's new skills, then losing the vale as Robin survives, and then keep the riverlands.
How would jon snow…stark…Targaryen…do as king?
Based on his record in the books, probably quite well. He’d be a second Conciliator.
Book Jon: Probably a good king, being regarded similarly to someone like Viserys II or Jahaerys II or maybe even the Old King himself.
Show Jon: Charismatic leader but useless politically, probably a puppet for Varys.
@@KaiHung-wv3ulJahaerys II was a passive King just like Viserys I, but as you said he would be an excellent King like the conciliator or Viserys II
@@nahlataha1744 Jaehaerys II reconciled the nobility with the monarchy while keeping most of his father's reforms, so that seems pretty good to me. Not as great as Viserys II with a similarly short rein but still much better than Viserys I.
@@KaiHung-wv3ul Viserys II acted as a King during his tenure as Aegon III reign, and held the kingdom up for him, Oberyn and Tyrion even discuss this in the books about how ‘The lives of 4 kings’ should have been called 5 kings.
If Tywin is a lion, fierce and intimidating, Littlefinger is a Jackal - looks friendly, almost like a dog, but will bite you as soon as you turn your back.
If this is a type of video you'll want to keep doing, I'd love to eventually see you discuss what characters like Ned or Tyrion would be like as king 😊
Great ideas enjoy this. Curious on would varys not be a factor or obstacle. I think in order to get varys on side littlefinger would need to share some of his plan but this not in nature as like people to guess his true nature that way able change sides or back side that suits his plan. Varys is a factor as equally plays the game and wouldn't necessary go along with littlefinger puppet proxy in charge unless it suit varys as well.
What if Ned took little fingers offer
I think that ends badly for Ned no matter what 😂 Taking Renlys offer though is a pretty interesting what if though I think!
Awesome video
Peter is smart to not be big. He would pull a Tywin and be the shadow king whos in charge of the crowned king and has more power than him. He knows he’s not of a good house and he knees being a king puts a target on his back. Also he has someone to blame. If everyone starts getting mad at the “king” he’ll replace him and reset everyone’s rage. realistically Peter is just Tywin but more smarter and doesn’t have the crutch of improving his family name. if Peter was from a powerful house like Lannister or Tully than he’d be more ruthless than Tywin.
So the conclusion i got from this video: Westeros becomes the UK
LETSFUCKINGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I mean Westeros is sort of based on Britain JT, makes sense to me 😂
Thanks for watching! Liam
The Little finger/Bron editors note makes me wonder, why didn't Peter have a chief goon?
I do find it odd that as a complex as a character littlefinger is in the books we never actually know any of his plans of what he'd do if he were to become king, all we know is that he wants to be king
Am I crazy, I just feel like the second he got that far he'd burn out or something because he achieved this "impossible" dream he'd been striving for for a decade and a half straight. He also clearly is already more unstable than he seems judging by his feelings about the women in his life. I'm not saying he'd have a full crisis, but that he'd I'm just crash, at least for a while. At the very least he'd lose interest for the most part. I'm not sure he could honestly justify expanding westeros overseas as being worth the trouble for instance
I think it depends on how his mind works. Some people (I've met them in real life) just do not stop no matter how much they accomplish. I've always seen LF like this, the world itself is not enough to satisfy him. You really have to look at just how far this guy has come, there's only one other top dog player whose come from less than LF.
But your opinion is just as valid as ours or any other fans, at the moment we have very little to go on with this guy.
Thanks for watching Quid! Liam
to support the idea of what Baelish is up to keep in mind, Baelish knows you can't really buy a man with gold.
Now look at the people he trusts, as much as he trusts anyone. Look at how the men he put in the treasury department are described. Merchants, sons of minor lords, hedge knights. All of low birth all out performing the highborn men they replaced. Look at the Kettlebacks. Three goons he tricks Tyrion into hiring to spy on Cersei so he can spy on them both. Their dad is his Castlelain. Not hard to imagine he has known those guys his whole life. Lothar Brune, a very capable hedge knight who is Sansa's handler.
And it can not be stressed how traumatic the duel with Brandon was. He almost died with the physical, mental, and emotional scars that persist to this day.
I think Baelish is the red flag of any idea this is a story that ends in any kind of democracy... if it was... a guy like him would be the hero of the story. Not the hidden prince. Not a mother of dragons. Not the dwarf son of the most powerful guy in the land. It would be Baelish, Dunk, and Bronn. Or at least people like them.
Love that explanation David! Haha Bronn and LF combined? Now that is far too much ambition in one duo, Bronn was badass enough with Tyrion, with LF it would be too much.
Thanks for watching as always David! Liam
How the realm looks under Baelish? A Hoe House.
😂 The Red Keep would become the Red Light Keep.
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@@TheFandomeClips my pleasure Liam! Keep on making em and I’ll keep on watching and 👍 em!
I'd say he'd be a fairly benevolent leader. His smallfolk on the Fingers which is the piece of land he actually rules all seem to like him.
I always assumed little finger meant to ride his chaos to the top, I mean the ladder metaphor implies climbing all the way.
Besides he was always perfectly happy to burn everything down and scrape something out of the ashes.
Once Robert took the throne the line of succession was tenuous at best, the war of the five kings made it worse and the Lannisters will get what’s coming to them eventually.
So like if all five kings plus the lannisters are gone who could stop a resurgent little finger?
With a big enough army and the entire continent in ruined he could theoretically be king of the ashes and would likely be fine with that trade.
A guy like that places little value on actual physical things, money and cities and all the pretty things a kingdom has means nothing to someone like that.
He’s kinda like Vergil from DMC, a guy who will burn the Forrest just to get a better look at the trees.
On Baelish end goal. End of his ladder. Littlefinger search of power is to ensure he can never be felt weak ever again. Remember that Nate Brother beat Littlefinger when he was younger. He made him feel small. Weak. Baelish believes that by gaining power he can prevent himself from feeling this ever again. It drives him.
There's no proof that Baelish feels any sort of kinship with common folk. He certainly hasn't done a thing that could be viewed as altruistic for them. It is all about him. He doesn't want to overthrow the old system. It works perfectly fine for him. He just feels personally slighted by the people in charge of it. He's a narcissist settling his gripes. At most, he would expand the bureaucracy so he can fill the spots with people loyal to him. So, the noble houses can have their titles and names, he'll have the true power.
He would be more of a Cardinal Richlieu type. The power behind the throne. King in everything but name. He probably wants Sansa as queen so he can knock her up and know secretly it is his bloodline ruling Westeros.
Yeah Littlefinger doesn’t give a crap about the common folk. He’s only down with giving himself power. He’d hate democracy
If I were Little Finger I would probably have loyalists and mercenaries train a national army while the reforms are underway. The hope is that he’d live long enough to break the nobility, but not so long that he doesn’t lock in the title of Emperor like Rome did after the fall of the Republic
Littlefinger wouldn’t overturn feudalism but he’d complicate taxation and public works to the point that the game became completely unplayable for almost anyone who wasn’t both incredibly wealthy and incredibly shrewd. He’d force his lords to spend money while hobbling their ability to collect more from the peasants with reforms. Fine them for breaches of the peace on their lands, then secretly support the iron born and the brotherhood without banners. Don’t let them punish the farmers too harshly, but demand they store up more food for winter. Monopolize money lending thru the iron throne- you can’t borrow from the Lannisters, I will borrow from the Lannisters and you will borrow from me. But don’t corner them- don’t try to take away their castle or empty their granaries- have them send a small contingent- maybe 5 or 10% of their men at arms to The Wall to satisfy their debts. It’s only a small decrease in their ability to make war… for now. And since you can’t afford do all of the things I require for stability of the realm, send me some of your less productive or less ruly peasants for service in Kings Landing… I promise not to raise a royal army of what are effectively slave soldiers from them… and I definitely won’t command their loyalty by reminding them that you threw them out of their home and that I took them in and gave them a way to live that didn’t involve sending their sister to the brothel.
By the end of winter King’s Landing boasts the largest army in the kingdoms, everyone else is weaker, the poor lords are grateful to King Littlefinger for not making them pay in gold, the rich lords have a sunk cost that they can’t simply come and take back against the huge Royal army, and the last hanging chad is that all of this centrally controlled manpower requires a lot of food and the crown is in debt- so you play the Tyrells against the Lannisters and support the Tyrells to cut the throne’s debt in half while keeping the food flowing. And while you’re at it, time to resolve that issue of you secretly having the iron born plunder your own kingdoms to bankrupt lords by turning them privateer and sending them to reave off of other continents.
this would be a dope series ngl
A very inquisitive video indeed🫡
Thanks Kush! Liam
13:19 is how Olenna would deal with Littlefinger
my own theory is that Little finger hired the faceless men to kill the starks. Like i think its obvious but, everyone else missed it.
1. Faceless men are first brought up by Ned, and little finger tells him all about them right down to how much they cost to kill a high lord. guys sometimes the dude who knows the cost of the whores is the guy buying whores.
2. Little finger says correctly that faceless men are crazy expensive they would cost an entire kingdom. Hes the mast of coin, and some how the realm is 'a kingdom in debt'.
3. in book 3 we find out that Little Finger has been embezzling the kingdoms money when half the jailers he staffs dont even exist.
4. theres only a hand full of people who could have possibly come up with this amount of money like in the entire kingdom 30. 7 high lords their master of coins, a few of the lesser rich houses like redwine or hightower, and perhaps at a stretch some rich traders like the Acinet Guild of Splicers.
5. 3 faceless men(biter and rouge) were caught in the black cells at the start of book 2. theirs only so many people clever enough to trap them, and it was most likely the person who knew the name of person they were to kill. who ever little finger wanted dead he no longer wanted dead. I think I know who that is.
6. Little finger wants someone dead in book 1 but theres no way he can kill him.
When you put it all together theres nobody else it could have been. I also have a firm idea of who he wanted dead, and what his plan was.
He would cause chaos and people wouldn’t stand for it. There would be war and death he would destroy everything wand he would watch the world burn
I never really get that vibe from Littlefinger, he opportunistically uses chaos to get power, but I don't think chaos itself is the objective. Once he's got sufficient power he can just use power to get what he wants instead.
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@@TheFandomeClips true but power at what cost he caused the wars if I remember correctly might be wrong saying that Ned’s sister was kidnapped. He would do what ever it took to consolidate his power and wouldn’t care if the common folk where hurt in the process.
@@Historybuffmuppet baelish was banished from Riverrun before that, he didn't make that claim. Where did you get that from?
@@davidlewis5312 indeepgeek make a video time ago I think I might be wrong my haper focus take me between star wars lotr and game
LF has an uncanny resemblance to Hitler in the thumbnail
I think Littlefinger would actually be a decent ruler (probably as hand of king for a weak king like Tommen or Robyn). He’s smart, good with money, ruthless against enemies. A choirboy makes a poor Hand (see Ned). Tywin was actually a very good Hand for 20 years. I doubt Littlefinger would try to overthrow the nobility. Once he was in charge I think he’d be quite happy with the system (especially if got Sansa to marry him). He’s not a champion of the people he’s only in it for himself. But he would be a better ruler then Joffrey, Robert, or the Mad king (a low bar admittedly).
So Littlefinger is a medieval version of Mr. House?
In terms of his intentions, as cool of an idea it is to think that Littlefinger wants to bring the feudal system in favor of a capitalist meritocracy is, I don't think it jives with his role in the story. To me, its clear that Littlefinger's role in the story is largely meant to be Sansa's guide to politics and her primary obstacle to overthrow so she can take her place on the Westerosi political stage as a key power player (I personally think her story ends with her as the Lady of Winterfell and/or the Trident but I can be persuaded as to what exact role she'll have in the end).
So, if Littlefinger has this motivation, how does that help Sansa's narrative to that end? I suppose it could become her motivation at the end of the story but I think most people would find an ending where the hero embraces the villain's ideology that inspired said villain to kill hero's family in significant numbers. TLDR: I think it just complicates the story in ways that don't really say anything new and simply making his aim be becoming the most powerful person in westeros largely would have the same effect with less problems for GRRM. And at this late in the game, GRRM doesn't need more complications.
I think you're missing the point if you think Baelish would have enough principles to have an ideology. He's not emotionless, but he's defined by his selfishness more than anything else.
Personally, I lean Kleptocracy. Not because I think Littlefinger lacks any skills but because I think he doesn't want anyone as skilled as himself in government. I don't doubt he'd destroy the nobility if he could, but more as revenge for his perceived lack of privilege rather than any idealistic meritocracy in mind. In his mind, he'd rather be the only smart guy in the room, and any improvements to Westeros or its people would be purely coincidental, after all what have they ever done for him?
What if the Vale joined Robb Stark in the WoTFK
Everything would be on fire
He craves power. He would play the houses against each other to weaken/absorb their authority.
He would pathology strive for a fascist dictatorship grinding those he rules over into progressively worsening conditions.
Eventually the 7 kingdoms would be a husk where a small number of minions repress a huge number of the downtrodden.
Then he would die leaving an incredible power vacuum that would take generations to stabilise.
Thats the first time ever i saw anyone think littlefinger wanna make any societal change in westeros lol
He would let the world burn if he could be king of the ashes
I don't think Littlefinger had such a far-reaching vision. He definitely had a vision with himself at the top, but I don't think he'd ever aim for social reform or empowering others to follow the same path, especially since they would be his competition later on.
Could someone please tell me what show or film 15:33 is from. Thank you.
I don’t think it would end well for him if he did. He’s really more of a person operating behind the curtain instead riding a horse in shining armor.
CHADMURE King has to be the next one
Thankfully the One True King had covid otherwise Chadmure would be Deadmure Warlord 😂 I think Chad would come under Rob, although edmure on the throne would make for a great April fools.......... 😂
How Ned Stark be like as the king?
Even though Littlefinger is evil kinda want him to win after all stuff he's went through to gain power anyway great video as always
Hes easily one of the best players that often gets overlooked as a genuine potential winner, people forget just how much of the stories twists and turns are owed to his fuckery 😂 thanks for watching as always Conor! Always happy to see you in the comments! Liam
What would daemon be like as King?
I couldn't see him as a King, but maybe a Hand. Scheming and manipulating the King, running the kingdoms, but not accepting the blame or responsibility of failed decisions. If he sat on the Iron Throne, it wouldn't be for long, because he would be killed by the Lannisters, Tyrells, Starks, or the the Tulleys. Just my opinion.
What would little finger be like if he was in Lord of the rings
loving the tin foil hats guys. i would like Jayne to take him out. that's my favorite little finger death theory
Thanks Soup! I'd like that too, although I'm also keen for him to try to manipulate Sansa and it back fire to his death, a bit like the show but you know................. actually make sense and be well written 😂
Thanks for watching as always matey! Liam
Def need to make a seris otta this. I also think Stannis for example wouldn't be that "uncompetent", when it comes to politics/diplomacy etc. as people seem to think due to his uncompomising nature. Would like to see it for all the 5 king's + Dany/Jon
"Meritocracy and capitalism cannot exist together in harmony"?!
Meritocracy and capitalism are the same thing.
Not the same but certainly closely related
Meritocracy: A government or the holding of power by people selected according to merit.
Capitalism: An economic system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit.
While you could have a Capitalistic system that was not based on a Meritocracy it would be less efficient than one that is a Meritocracy.
Capitalism is an Economic system not a form of government
What would the Tyrells be like as the ruling family of Westeros?
He would be a king but with little fingers....
Yes this is what I needed it sure took you long enough give me more content quicker if you can’t make longer videos
What would Hodor be like as king?
No closed doors in his castle
This video is good, but we all know that everyone wants to see how would Craster rule westeros
I do t see Technologies advancing very far in this world due to the seasons. Yes they have long summers but they have equally long winter's meaning more time and labor is spent in agriculture and trying to survive.
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What if Ned had gone with Renly to tell Stannis the truth?
So like Palpatine for Westeros?
My bf and I have talked about this at length. Baelish was one of my favorite characters, however, I don’t think he would’ve made a good leader. He’s too selfish. My bf disagrees with me. Bf said that he’d take Baelish as a leader. While, LF’s Machiavellian pragmatism could be good for ruling, LF was too self centered and selfish to truly be an effective leader. Crisis capitalism comes to mind. He’d create problems that only he could fix (in theory), thus ensuring that people would want to keep him in power….b/c he wouldn’t want people to know that he created said problems.
What if Rhaegar rebelled against his fathers cruelty at the Tourney of Harrenhal?
I think that was the plan buddy, but unfortunately the mad king turned up.
What if Robb Stark became King in the North/'Trident gained independence. What would the north/Trident look like?
He would never be king. He would search the ends of time and space to find a puppet lol.
Look at the bright side, a brothal on every corner 😉.
He would get cut by the iron throne.
I would love to see Robb as king in the north and the river lands after the war of the five kings
I think we'll have a pop at that some time in the future Ace! Thom loves Rob so I'm sure he'll twist my arm and ill probably do one for the Mannis just because I like Stannis lol.
Thanks for watching Ace! Liam
@@TheFandomeClips thank you for making a great video. I hope we see more videos and do you think you guys could rank each kingdom in terms of strength?