Littlefinger, in his last seasons, is like that episode of Community, 'Conspiracy Theories and Interior Design': if you conspire with every person who approaches you, you're not really conspiring with anyone. You're just doing random crap.
When Littlefinger talks about chaos, I think he is referring to political chaos, which he can attempt to manipulate. Im not sure he’d want the white walkers past the wall because they’re not necessarily a force he can control if they succeed. But all the changes to patch stuff dumb and dumber forgot are great
Yeah, his Chaos is a Ladder monologue is more political, but his actions throughout the earlier seasons breed chaos throughout the entire realm. It did kind of snowball out of his control, however, he still profited immensely from the war of the five kings. So trying to replicate that again probably wouldn't be out of the question. It is inherently a gamble unleashing the Night King and Littlefinger doesn't know their true strength and potential. I'd reckon he'd bet that all of the living houses banding together + Dany's dragons will defeat the Night King (at that point in the story the Night King wouldn't have a dragon through my alternate take). He would know for certain that it would massively cripple every house in Westeros that he could then challenge further in the future. Not to mention that the Eyrie would be one of the safest locations in Westeros. So honestly, I think it would be a realistic plan in which it would give Littlefinger some major opportunities. Then, through him trying to marry Sansa, getting some other houses behind them, and causing Dany to go crazy thus dismantling her rule would essentially give Littlefinger his best shot at the Iron Throne.
Well he has a serious case of main character syndrome, people like that are usually fine with unleashing hell on everyone because they think they’re apart from everyone, with MCS it only increases your bias every time you don’t get killed… but that can only escalate so far before they do end up dead
@@ЭйденПирс-н8ф Within the confines of the show, Varys was helping to attempt Khal Drogo attack Westeros, just the same as in the book. how was the for the common peoples good? In the book Varys does not hold the common people as his major interest, he is helping (f)Aegon Targaryen attack Westeros so he can take the Iron Throne. He kills Kevan Lannister and Maester Pycell, because they are bringing too much stability to Kings Landing. The common people argument in the show, was only used seriously, and not as a lie. Later on in the show, when they didn't introduce (f)Aegon, meaning that Varys had lost his major plotline from the book. The problem with it is, if he really cared about them, why would he have helped Viserys cause with the backing of Khal Drogo, which would have rained death and destruction on the common people. They abandoned his actual storyline, then just claimed he "cared". But it doesn't line up with his past actions in the show. It also doesn't help that the most secretive scheming character in the show, just told every single other character his plans. His character lost all sense and reason.
Not to mention in the books he manipulates Sansa to point of changing her own identity, they never reveal her to the vale and frame a singer for the death of lysa. I don't think he is going to part with his greatest asset lightly, he probably won't even reveal her until it absolutely guarantees his succession as Warden of the North.
Most fact quote of Littlefinger : "He has a larger army. He's the finest military commander in Westeros. A betting man, would put his money on Stannis. As it happens, I am a betting man."
Baelish is quite the schemer in the books because nobody sees him as one. In the show, everybody sees him as such. This was already a plothole in season 1. Everybody but Ned seemed to know what Littlefinger was like.
Yeah, theres that show original "knowledge is power" scene between Littlefinger and Cersei which is a good example of that. Show Littlefinger was ALREADY dumb at that point because it was a scene written by people that don't understand his character. He literally almost died that scene and got nothing out of it.
Thissssssss. I think isn't such a plothole bc it feels more like a "it takes one to know another" (besides Catelyn), but everybody tends to forget that our boi looks like the lord next door with a golden heart and good intentions kkkkkkkkkkkkk
And when he's introduced in the first, it's through Ned and Catelyn's eyes, so much of his action in the early story is mostly shaded by their perception of him as the same boy who lost a fight with Brandon Stark. Only when Sansa escapes to the Vale do we get more insight to who he is now, which is arguably an absolute madman. As far as the books are now, he's technically at his most powerful and also at his most vulnerable, politically.
Something that the show needed to understand is that littlefinger thrived on soft power. His only influence, even as he climbed the social ladder, was entirely predicated on other lords feeling that he was useful to them, or they liked him. Like his control over the Vale rested on Lysa's love of him, and later Robin seeing him as a father figure. His power in the Riverlands (in the book at least) rested on the Lannister's viewing him as a loyal ally who they could use to indirectly control the Freys (who the Lannisters don't actually trust). Therefore, his entire plan for Sansa should be to first of all, make her like and rely on him (which he is clearly already doing in the books by acting as an almost mentor in intrigue to her), but also plan to use her as the eventual "key to the north". What does this mean exactly? That he needs to remove the unpredictable Boltons from power, and institute a new ruler of the north who is legitimized by a marriage to Sansa (or just have Sansa herself straight up be the ruler under the fact she is the 'last living stark' in the eyes of most people). Clearly this means Littlefinger should be using Sansa to scheme against the Boltons, such as by using her more bloodline-backed claim to the North to rally lords to his side. And throughout this, he maintains power over them through having Sansa rely on him. I think this is clearly the direction the books are going at least -> With Littlefinger setting up to gain soft power in the North, the Riverlands, the Vale, and Kings Landing. Ultimately he does have his eyes on the iron throne, and his unique position does give him a large group of people he can rally under one banner. For Littlefinger though, his only shot to ever lay claim to the throne would be through marriage to someone with a strong claim, such as Danyaerys, although I doubt she'd ever be down for that. Either that, or he could use the chaos of the long night to temporarily lay a claim to the throne. But ultimately I feel the best end for Littlefinger would be for him to get what he wants, at least to an extent (so if not the throne, at least soft control over a large region of Westeros), but to eventually be killed by White Walkers. At the end of the day, his quest for power left him with no true allies, and he is abandoned as the Wights bear down on him. It would be fitting to the themes of how all the squabbling over the throne has made Westeros so vulnerable, and also not have Littlefinger go down like a chump.
It was alright for most part but when in season 7 Littlefinger said to Varis: “Maybe the real Game of Thrones was the friends we made along the way”, it all started to feel a bit off.
Littlefinger giving Sansa to the Boltons was the moment that showed that the show runners had lost their understanding of the character and they wound up killing him off because they weren't smart enough to figure out what to do with him.
@@JazzAK6969Tyrion is actually not that smart and makes multiple logical errors himself, but yeah, D&D couldn’t write even that and turned him into a literal fool
Littlefinger didn’t send the catspaw assassin to kill Bran, at least not in the books but I think it’s the same for the show. Jeoffrey did. Littlefinger simply used the event in the way he does, to stir the pot.
@@mahadbahad9895 it's all but confirmed by Jeoffery mentioning being no stranger to Valyrian steel (the catspaw dagger) and him also hearing bobby b drunkenly saying bran would be better off dead(he's known to say things in his cups then deny ever saying them once he sobered up), so Jeoff tries to act on that to impress his "father" also kings landing is about 1500 miles from Winterfell. The whole attempted murder smacks of incompetence too, It was most certainly Jeoffs doing. In the books at least, but the logistics alone and the botched attempt still rules out little finger, until they start forgetting shit in the later seasons.
@@supaflizayI think Mance hiring the catspaw is best for the story. Otherwise, Mance is either a moron, or has another reason to have journeyed for months to Winterfell that hasn't been revealed.
In the books, Littlefinger is currently doing a bunch of political manipulation to claim ownership of the vale and get its vassals under his control. This is such an interesting plot line that is completely ruined in the show by him giving up his most valuable piece (Sansa) to the boltons for practically no reason.
Holy shit. Have David and Dan hacked this as revenge for all the times he shat on them? "Well actually David and Dan kinda forgot about Supercuts Delight and his roasting videos"
I was the first to comment by saying "yo did his channel got hacked again?" Kinda odd how no one has said that before. Maybe I'm gonna get jacked just for commenting who knows. I don't even know how RUclips channels get hacked
@@rookie_odst2560 The hacker disabled comments on newly uploaded videos. Comments are not literally disabled, but every comment made won't post until it's reviewed. I'm sure many people have commented on these vids, the hacker obviously won't approve any of them.
Thanks for confirming that I was so confused, I really hope he can get it back I always enjoyed seeing post notifications from the channel and having all these spammy posts is really annoying
I mean the Vale conflict you proposed is essentially his conflict in the books, manipulating the Vale lords and gaining more power. Another fix could be not killing Ros in season 3 and sending her as fake sansa considering their vague similarity in appearance and her knowing Theon.
Littlefinger was legit my favorite villain in the early seasons. He's literally the reason the whole series exists, as his convincing Lysa Arryn to poison her husband was the driving force for the King coming to Winterfell to recruit Ned. He masterminded so many of the major plot points in the early seasons, that I don't see how anyone could see him as something other than the biggest player of the game. His interplay with Varys was awesome too! Season 4 was setting him and Sansa up to be a power couple, and then...season 5 happened. I was furious with the direction they took him. They took the most brilliant manipulator in the show and made him a dunce. I have no problem with Sansa and Arya being his eventual undoing, but the fact that they neutered him long before this demise robbed the moment of how epic it could have been. When Arya sliced his neck, I just rolled my eyes. It's like Dave and Dan didn't understand Littlefinger's character at all, knew viewers absolutely loathed him, and so wrote him as a jester doing stupid stuff until he fell into a pit of his own making.
@@SteveAustin-zv1nn well yeah , as i was in the minority when i said got season 5 and after was bad . Hell even during season 7 saying that wasnt popular and look at it now . Hotd is really poor imo
@@lolilol5346 I'm sorry but saying season 7 was bad while it was on was very much popular. Some people were trying to be optimistic but the more ardent fans saw the decline begin, as you say, in season 5.
@@hououinkyouma3864 wow, I completely forgot about this channel after I unsubscribed because of the incident :D He got hacket last november or december by some guy who posted like 30 fortnite videos a day, got his channel back and just a couple days after that it happened again. After a few days of that fortnite shit obliterating my inbox I, like many others unsubscribed
Wanting Littlefinger to bring down the wall feels like a massive misread of his character. He's petty, but not stupid, and bringing down the main barrier against an omnicidal force of absolute evil that could kill both his a) profit base and b) potential subjects would be really foolish. Ruling over the ashes would be fine for Littlefinger, being dead when the Night King slaughters every living thing in Westeros, not so much. Littlefinger often unleashes forces that can't easily be controlled, but not ones that he has no means of eventually stopping.
I think it could still work, if no one has seen them and lived, little finger could underestimate them and when he sees that they can’t be stopped he schemes his way down south as far as he can as the white walkers move south too
I hard agree about the wall, his story has almost no real connection to that (outside of our own knowledge of impending icy doom). This is just an inevitable weak point overall with how the show handled magic and cut characters from the story. It would make more sense to me if Euron has something to do with it, but then again I'd rather not think of show Euron...
I agree, unless littlefinger was made to take the black, call it scheming by Varys or something. He brings down the wall and flees back to the vale going “I’m your lord let’s keep doing what we have been doing” and once again the vale closes its doors. Then the mad queen arc culminates in her basically burning out the place that was untouched by the war. For more points, Arya symbolically finishes her list by killing littlefinger first but ultimately perishing in the flames. For more bonus points sansa actually marries ballish of her own volition, but only to give Arya the opening. (Arya taking off Sansa’s face or something once the bedding ceremony commences)
I disagree given how revenge motivated Littlefinger reveals himself to be. While he certainly profited off of the War of the Five Kings, creating a war that he knew would place the Riverlands as the battlefield could also be read as him finally being able to get revenge on the Riverlands, to at last hurt back the man who had hurt Littlefinger by sending him back to the Vale while he was healing from his sword wound, "denying" him of Catelyn (not a real grievance, but real to Petyr), and aborting his baby. As shrewd a businessman as Baelish was, I also like the theory that he's still the pissed off boy who wants to hurt those who wronged him back.
I feel that another addition to this Littlefinger rewrite is to add the major difference book Littlefinger has with show Littlefinger. There is actually a RUclips video where George himself goes over the difference between the two Littlefingers and I believe that book Littlefinger offers a much more interesting story progression, as he starts like someone that you would believe Ned Stark would trust only for the "you shoukdn't have trusted me" line to hit even harder and as the show ptogresses we see more and more of Littlefinger revealing slowly and steadily his true self.
Personally, i'd be annoyed but mostly fine with him dying in a sham trial at Sansa and Arya's hand. But what i've truly hated is him grovelling at their feet for mercy. That isn't Littlefinger. The LF i know would tell any lie to get himself out of a situation like that. Imagine a scenario where LF spins the truth of his accusation to a point where he could believeably be innocent but Sansa executes him anyway. Or a scenario where he is forced into a trial by combat similar to when he fought for Catelyn. Except this time, he fights for his life. It could have been a good conclusion to his character but the show instead is interested in making Sansa as unambigiously "right" and "good" as possible by killing the bad guy and its stupid on so many levels
Love the idea of him scheming to get his hands on the horn! Would’ve gave Varys a compelling plot where he uses his little birds to gain info to stop Littlefinger for the good of the realm
Damn, this was hella brilliant holy cow! And the best part is that it sounds like something little finger would come up with! Littlefinger! the destroyer of the wall! the Queens Terror! The man who flew too close to the (red) sun!
I’ve been wondering the same thing! The only thing I can think of is his account got hacked or compromised. The last few weeks of content is just out of left field!
My guess is that D&D felt the uncanny drama of the Jeyne Poole subplot would be on-brand, but having failed to include the Poole family, couldn't face introducing a new character so late in the story, so they plonked it on Sansa, warping Littlefinger in order to do so. To me it's a clear example of their evident understanding of Martin's work as "Fantasy but horrible!" instead of Martin's approach, which is much more "Horrible, but fantasy." How Littlefinger will shake out in the actual story is a fascinating question.
Writing a cohesive story about a collection of stories losing cohesion must be a tricky business and, as D&D demonstrated, it's easy to muck up. Don't do what they did and let the opportunity to say something edgy dull your faith in the material or its author.
But Jeyne was in ep 1- she was sitting next to Sansa at the Winterfell dinner - where they screwed up, was making her barely more than a cameo- she doesn't go to Kingslanding; her plotline is just clumsily grafted onto Sansa's- whereas BookSansa is exploring Vale politics & secrets...
Excellent video and analysis as always! And as someone who is replaying Skyrim after 5 years, I am really loving the OST in the backgroud! Cheers from Aus. !
The way I'd do LIttlefinger is having him first ally himself with the Lady Stoneheart with aims to take over the Riverlands from the Freys. There's no question that this is something he can achieve. He was already close to Cat and now also has Sansa to present to her, and declare that he saved her from King's Landing. He now also has a considerable amount of military power behind him from the Vale. By the end of season 5, he should have achieved the goal of taking down the Freys and getting the Tully family back in charge (all incredibly indebted to him for his help). Simultaneously, I'd have Stannis capture Winterfell from the Boltons, and put Rickon in charge, with the help of Jon (with some minor subplot about finding Rickon) Season 6 his conflict would be with Stannis. He wants to use Sansa again, but this time to get the North, and he can't do that if Rickon is Lord of Winterfell. What he would do is argue to his faction that the Rickon is clearly a fake since it is public knowledge that Rickon is dead (TBH he wouldn't even be lieing - he would actually believe the Rickon is fake - he might have spies, but there's no way his spies are good enough to confirm the survival of Rickon). Lady Stoneheart already dislikes Jon and Stannis so the conflict is pretty easy to set up (as long as Rickon stays safe in Winterfell where Lady Stoneheart can't verify his identity). On the other side of the conflict, Stannis and Jon, after having already discovered the fake Arya supplied by Littlefinger, would not trust that his new Sansa is actually the real Sansa (again, as long as the characters never meet). So here is a Stark vs Stark conflict that they wanted, except that this one makes sense. That's as far as I got. I would like to point out that although Littlefinger's plan here is pretty watertight, it does have 1 weakness, and that if Sansa trusts Jon. And this weakness is a particularly interesting one to have for the plot because it means Sansa CAN resolve the conflict and betray Littlefinger by meeting up with Jon so he can verify that she is in fact the real Sansa, and in turn going to Winterfell to verify that Rickon is in fact the real Rickon. I find this possibility pretty awesome!
Take over the Riverlands from the Freys? Littlefinger was awarded Harrenhal and the title of Lord Paramount of the Riverlands for arranging the the alliance between the Tyrells and Lannisters. He already ruled the Riverlands, the issue was that it was a war torn mess.
They were desperately trying to find source material to work with since their own writing was so weak, thought they could just substitute Sansa into the Jeyne Poole subplot, and didn’t realize that the plot loses all coherency if you do this. It was a dumb arc for not only Littlefinger, but also Sansa. Her characterization got strange and weak. She was *already* weak and powerless in King’s Landing, so the Bolton arc just felt like unnecessary torture porn for her and didn’t advance her growth at all. A real shame for both characters.
In the books Littlefinger spent much more time to win over the Vale, and it's impossible to fix his character without fixing Varys and Stannis first. It's heavily implied from geopolitical percpective that the Northern Alliance from Robert's rebbelion (Of the Vale, Riverlands and the North) would be reestablished with Stannis or Jon as their apparent leader and Littlefinger pulling the strings while the other half of the realm would be under control of (pseudo) Targaryens under Young Griff and Varys. It'd be completely natural for the lands and houses that fought Targaryens 17 years ago to do the same again. In all honesty the final conflict of the show (after defeat of the white walkers) would be between Varys and Littlefinger, two masterminds who started the war in the first place. Show really did poor Petyr dirty.
Littlefinger should do what he does in the books and buy up all the wheat from across Westeros for the upcoming Winter. He will have a monopoly on food supplies and can "give out" grain to peasants to ingratiate himself and any of his attempts/claim for the Iron Throne.
I personally feel like littlefinger wouldn't consider bringing down the wall, as much as chaos benefits him i feel like that would close too many opportunities for him aswell, however if he did manage to acquire it he could effectively use it as a very powerful bargaining chip, attack me or dont follow my orders and you will have a much bigger problem, he could hold the whole of westeros to ransom essentially. Although this does rely on him believing in the power of wn old horn that seemingly does nothing unless you believe in magic in that way and i dont think he does, however he may recognise that enough of the right people believe in its power and play on that, even if he didn't believe in it himself.
Littlefinger and Varys were my favourite characters of the show. The entire game of thrones revolved around them and it was so fascinating to watch. To see them not only be given the importance they deserved later on, but to basically be completely swept under the rug in a rush was infuriating. Probably the two most disappointing character endings too. A channel called Uniquenameosaurus did an amazing General retwrite of the second half of game of thrones and handled their characters and the conflict between them perfectly, portraying Littlefinger as the main villain of the king’s landing storyline and giving them a perfect ending.
Cersi likely called Little Finger to King's Landing to see if he would come, using your own logic she can assume he won't appear if he is responsible for Sansa's escape. Little Finger then calls her bluff by appearing, which is on brand for his character and story.
For me he never really worked, for the same reasons he didn’t work for GRRM who called him the most changed character in the show from the books)that was an early interview through, before the Dorne shit) Aidan Gillen play him way too obvious, he’s so much the evil vizir trope, he’s transparently an evil manipulator. Book Littlefinger is more unassuming, more friendly. But yeah season 5 is where the show died, and Littlefinger and Sansa plot is one of the reasons why.
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The whole video should be “don’t give sansa to the fucking boltons” over and over
It should just be a chorus of Glidus singing that
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@@danielcantiego9374Glimboligist and Alternative shwifty are my favorite dragon boys
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Littlefinger, in his last seasons, is like that episode of Community, 'Conspiracy Theories and Interior Design': if you conspire with every person who approaches you, you're not really conspiring with anyone. You're just doing random crap.
He did say “keep your enemies guessing.”
@@lovecraftianleviathan8918Yes, but they don’t have a guess if you keep telling them the truth lol
Random question.. but do you think this channel was hacked?
@@darthsilversith667definitely
@@Dr_sharko Thats unfortunate. Surprised bigger channels aren’t talking about it because they have a decent size sub count.
When Littlefinger talks about chaos, I think he is referring to political chaos, which he can attempt to manipulate. Im not sure he’d want the white walkers past the wall because they’re not necessarily a force he can control if they succeed. But all the changes to patch stuff dumb and dumber forgot are great
Exactly
Yeah, his Chaos is a Ladder monologue is more political, but his actions throughout the earlier seasons breed chaos throughout the entire realm. It did kind of snowball out of his control, however, he still profited immensely from the war of the five kings. So trying to replicate that again probably wouldn't be out of the question. It is inherently a gamble unleashing the Night King and Littlefinger doesn't know their true strength and potential. I'd reckon he'd bet that all of the living houses banding together + Dany's dragons will defeat the Night King (at that point in the story the Night King wouldn't have a dragon through my alternate take). He would know for certain that it would massively cripple every house in Westeros that he could then challenge further in the future. Not to mention that the Eyrie would be one of the safest locations in Westeros.
So honestly, I think it would be a realistic plan in which it would give Littlefinger some major opportunities. Then, through him trying to marry Sansa, getting some other houses behind them, and causing Dany to go crazy thus dismantling her rule would essentially give Littlefinger his best shot at the Iron Throne.
I don't know, Petyr Bealish being a worshiper of the Great Other wouldn't be that far-fetched.
Yeah. If you're doing the horn/wall plot, it makes more sense to give it to Euron Greyjoy.
Well he has a serious case of main character syndrome, people like that are usually fine with unleashing hell on everyone because they think they’re apart from everyone, with MCS it only increases your bias every time you don’t get killed… but that can only escalate so far before they do end up dead
Littlefinger in the late show was pretty much a middlefinger to whole setting
Peter “Middlefinger” Baelish 🤣
His sigil was even a bird, too. There’s another joke there for someone else to find.
@@lovecraftianleviathan8918 A mockingbird doing a flip
DnD were actually genius. they made littlefinger's character so complicated, that no one could ever understand his plans, inclusing themselves
Littlefinger and Varys were so intriguing in the early seasons. D&D really ruined their characters in such an obvious and carefree way.
Better than in the books. Something that people don't acklowedge.
It is a constant source of frustration. D&D just didn't care about this story
I agree about Littlefinger, but Varys wasn't ruined. He really cared about the common people and got the "I told you" ending
Varys was my favorite in the show, I was super disappointed how he ended up .
@@ЭйденПирс-н8ф Within the confines of the show, Varys was helping to attempt Khal Drogo attack Westeros, just the same as in the book. how was the for the common peoples good?
In the book Varys does not hold the common people as his major interest, he is helping (f)Aegon Targaryen attack Westeros so he can take the Iron Throne. He kills Kevan Lannister and Maester Pycell, because they are bringing too much stability to Kings Landing.
The common people argument in the show, was only used seriously, and not as a lie. Later on in the show, when they didn't introduce (f)Aegon, meaning that Varys had lost his major plotline from the book.
The problem with it is, if he really cared about them, why would he have helped Viserys cause with the backing of Khal Drogo, which would have rained death and destruction on the common people. They abandoned his actual storyline, then just claimed he "cared". But it doesn't line up with his past actions in the show.
It also doesn't help that the most secretive scheming character in the show, just told every single other character his plans. His character lost all sense and reason.
Not to mention in the books he manipulates Sansa to point of changing her own identity, they never reveal her to the vale and frame a singer for the death of lysa. I don't think he is going to part with his greatest asset lightly, he probably won't even reveal her until it absolutely guarantees his succession as Warden of the North.
Most fact quote of Littlefinger :
"He has a larger army. He's the finest military commander in Westeros. A betting man, would put his money on Stannis. As it happens, I am a betting man."
Profile pic checks out (I am also a proud Stannis the Mannis enjoyer)
Then he married Sansa to the Boltons
Give the dude his channel back
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Baelish is quite the schemer in the books because nobody sees him as one. In the show, everybody sees him as such.
This was already a plothole in season 1. Everybody but Ned seemed to know what Littlefinger was like.
Yeah, theres that show original "knowledge is power" scene between Littlefinger and Cersei which is a good example of that. Show Littlefinger was ALREADY dumb at that point because it was a scene written by people that don't understand his character. He literally almost died that scene and got nothing out of it.
Thissssssss. I think isn't such a plothole bc it feels more like a "it takes one to know another" (besides Catelyn), but everybody tends to forget that our boi looks like the lord next door with a golden heart and good intentions kkkkkkkkkkkkk
And when he's introduced in the first, it's through Ned and Catelyn's eyes, so much of his action in the early story is mostly shaded by their perception of him as the same boy who lost a fight with Brandon Stark. Only when Sansa escapes to the Vale do we get more insight to who he is now, which is arguably an absolute madman. As far as the books are now, he's technically at his most powerful and also at his most vulnerable, politically.
Poor Ned he just always missed the red flags and obvious signs. With LF, with Cercei, all of them. Rip.
@@bulbakirb5789That scene was a disaster. Book's littlefinger would NEVER say to Cersei that he knows about the incest.
Something that the show needed to understand is that littlefinger thrived on soft power. His only influence, even as he climbed the social ladder, was entirely predicated on other lords feeling that he was useful to them, or they liked him. Like his control over the Vale rested on Lysa's love of him, and later Robin seeing him as a father figure. His power in the Riverlands (in the book at least) rested on the Lannister's viewing him as a loyal ally who they could use to indirectly control the Freys (who the Lannisters don't actually trust). Therefore, his entire plan for Sansa should be to first of all, make her like and rely on him (which he is clearly already doing in the books by acting as an almost mentor in intrigue to her), but also plan to use her as the eventual "key to the north". What does this mean exactly? That he needs to remove the unpredictable Boltons from power, and institute a new ruler of the north who is legitimized by a marriage to Sansa (or just have Sansa herself straight up be the ruler under the fact she is the 'last living stark' in the eyes of most people). Clearly this means Littlefinger should be using Sansa to scheme against the Boltons, such as by using her more bloodline-backed claim to the North to rally lords to his side. And throughout this, he maintains power over them through having Sansa rely on him.
I think this is clearly the direction the books are going at least -> With Littlefinger setting up to gain soft power in the North, the Riverlands, the Vale, and Kings Landing. Ultimately he does have his eyes on the iron throne, and his unique position does give him a large group of people he can rally under one banner. For Littlefinger though, his only shot to ever lay claim to the throne would be through marriage to someone with a strong claim, such as Danyaerys, although I doubt she'd ever be down for that. Either that, or he could use the chaos of the long night to temporarily lay a claim to the throne. But ultimately I feel the best end for Littlefinger would be for him to get what he wants, at least to an extent (so if not the throne, at least soft control over a large region of Westeros), but to eventually be killed by White Walkers. At the end of the day, his quest for power left him with no true allies, and he is abandoned as the Wights bear down on him. It would be fitting to the themes of how all the squabbling over the throne has made Westeros so vulnerable, and also not have Littlefinger go down like a chump.
It was alright for most part but when in season 7 Littlefinger said to Varis: “Maybe the real Game of Thrones was the friends we made along the way”, it all started to feel a bit off.
Omg "the friends we made along the way" is D&D's theme for the last 2 seasons and end. And they hated themes 😅
"I guess you could say there's a little Song of Ice and Fire inside all of us"
For me it's when he said "it's fingering time".
"I played the Game of Thrones so that we could all take a seat, together!"
Littlefinger giving Sansa to the Boltons was the moment that showed that the show runners had lost their understanding of the character and they wound up killing him off because they weren't smart enough to figure out what to do with him.
Having to write a character that is smarter than me is a task I'd wish on no decent man
I think the issue with characters like Littlefinger and Varys is that they were ultimately too clever for D&D to actually write.
I would add Tyrion to that list as well. He's too intelligent for those numbskulls to grasp let alone write.
@@JazzAK6969Tyrion is actually not that smart and makes multiple logical errors himself, but yeah, D&D couldn’t write even that and turned him into a literal fool
Littlefinger didn’t send the catspaw assassin to kill Bran, at least not in the books but I think it’s the same for the show. Jeoffrey did. Littlefinger simply used the event in the way he does, to stir the pot.
Correct. He was nowhere near Winterfell
that is not fully confirmed . its slighlty hinted it was jeoffery but it can still be littlefinger
@@mahadbahad9895 it's all but confirmed by Jeoffery mentioning being no stranger to Valyrian steel (the catspaw dagger) and him also hearing bobby b drunkenly saying bran would be better off dead(he's known to say things in his cups then deny ever saying them once he sobered up), so Jeoff tries to act on that to impress his "father" also kings landing is about 1500 miles from Winterfell. The whole attempted murder smacks of incompetence too, It was most certainly Jeoffs doing. In the books at least, but the logistics alone and the botched attempt still rules out little finger, until they start forgetting shit in the later seasons.
@@supaflizayI think Mance hiring the catspaw is best for the story. Otherwise, Mance is either a moron, or has another reason to have journeyed for months to Winterfell that hasn't been revealed.
In the books, Littlefinger is currently doing a bunch of political manipulation to claim ownership of the vale and get its vassals under his control. This is such an interesting plot line that is completely ruined in the show by him giving up his most valuable piece (Sansa) to the boltons for practically no reason.
Well. Been subbed for years but I guess this is the S8 of This channel
he got hacked
Yeah. All these stupid gaming hacking videos in my feed is starting to piss me off. If it continues 1 more day its unsub time.
@@furanduron4926 he got hacked dude
@@user-t8gxkfin7n he got hacked
@@user-t8gxkfin7n he got hacked
Channel got hacked?
Holy shit. Have David and Dan hacked this as revenge for all the times he shat on them?
"Well actually David and Dan kinda forgot about Supercuts Delight and his roasting videos"
rip, hope you can get your channel back. sticking by you!
Holy fuck did his channel get hacked?
Nah he's just a fortnite channel now
seems so
Yeah, ots weird how there are no comments too
I was the first to comment by saying "yo did his channel got hacked again?"
Kinda odd how no one has said that before. Maybe I'm gonna get jacked just for commenting who knows. I don't even know how RUclips channels get hacked
@@rookie_odst2560 The hacker disabled comments on newly uploaded videos. Comments are not literally disabled, but every comment made won't post until it's reviewed. I'm sure many people have commented on these vids, the hacker obviously won't approve any of them.
RIP Supercut Delight (2018-2023) 😢😢😭
the last video before he got hacked
Really
@@jatonator yes
@@jatonatorno
Hacked?
@@LisaAnn777his channel was hacked when i posted my comment
Dude its been Days already how is your account hacked still?
supercuts delight saw littlefinger, thought "i can fix him" and took it to a new level!
Yes his channel got hacked again, I can't believe how blatant those low life scammers are
Do we have any idea if he'll be able to resolve it?
I really hope so! My guy needs to get Nord VpN or something lol
Thanks for confirming that I was so confused, I really hope he can get it back I always enjoyed seeing post notifications from the channel and having all these spammy posts is really annoying
@@spartanxmonsternot sure a VPN would help at all against a brute force attack
Did this channel get hacked again?
wow i guess someone really hated his littlefinger takes
🤣🤣
Please get two-factor authentication my guy.
I mean the Vale conflict you proposed is essentially his conflict in the books, manipulating the Vale lords and gaining more power. Another fix could be not killing Ros in season 3 and sending her as fake sansa considering their vague similarity in appearance and her knowing Theon.
I pray you get your channel back
Hacked
Was his channel hacked
Littlefinger was legit my favorite villain in the early seasons. He's literally the reason the whole series exists, as his convincing Lysa Arryn to poison her husband was the driving force for the King coming to Winterfell to recruit Ned. He masterminded so many of the major plot points in the early seasons, that I don't see how anyone could see him as something other than the biggest player of the game. His interplay with Varys was awesome too! Season 4 was setting him and Sansa up to be a power couple, and then...season 5 happened.
I was furious with the direction they took him. They took the most brilliant manipulator in the show and made him a dunce. I have no problem with Sansa and Arya being his eventual undoing, but the fact that they neutered him long before this demise robbed the moment of how epic it could have been. When Arya sliced his neck, I just rolled my eyes.
It's like Dave and Dan didn't understand Littlefinger's character at all, knew viewers absolutely loathed him, and so wrote him as a jester doing stupid stuff until he fell into a pit of his own making.
so what's gonna happen with the account being hacked and everything?
I'm sure he's talking to RUclips support about it right now. But talking to RUclips is almost like talking to a brick wall so...
why hack this account :(
Sooo… when is he gonna get his Channel back?
These videos keeping me going until HotD season 2. Can't wait.
Hotd is season 5-6-7 got level and it's not really god , i'l die on that hill
@@lolilol5346 You're in the tiny minority but I respect your opinion.
@@SteveAustin-zv1nn well yeah , as i was in the minority when i said got season 5 and after was bad . Hell even during season 7 saying that wasnt popular and look at it now .
Hotd is really poor imo
@@lolilol5346 I'm sorry but saying season 7 was bad while it was on was very much popular. Some people were trying to be optimistic but the more ardent fans saw the decline begin, as you say, in season 5.
@@SteveAustin-zv1nn nah a lot of ppl were hyped of the wall episode etc ..
Looks like someone is hacked
Fr why tf is he posting so much
Ah fuck yeah he must be
I'm glad to see you got your channel back
I hope he gets his channel back. 😕
Homie obviously never heard of 2 factor authentification.
Getting hacked 2 times within one week is just embarassing
Wait,I keep seeing that he was hacked, but what happened?
@@hououinkyouma3864 wow, I completely forgot about this channel after I unsubscribed because of the incident :D
He got hacket last november or december by some guy who posted like 30 fortnite videos a day, got his channel back and just a couple days after that it happened again. After a few days of that fortnite shit obliterating my inbox I, like many others unsubscribed
Wanting Littlefinger to bring down the wall feels like a massive misread of his character. He's petty, but not stupid, and bringing down the main barrier against an omnicidal force of absolute evil that could kill both his a) profit base and b) potential subjects would be really foolish. Ruling over the ashes would be fine for Littlefinger, being dead when the Night King slaughters every living thing in Westeros, not so much. Littlefinger often unleashes forces that can't easily be controlled, but not ones that he has no means of eventually stopping.
I think it could still work, if no one has seen them and lived, little finger could underestimate them and when he sees that they can’t be stopped he schemes his way down south as far as he can as the white walkers move south too
I hard agree about the wall, his story has almost no real connection to that (outside of our own knowledge of impending icy doom). This is just an inevitable weak point overall with how the show handled magic and cut characters from the story. It would make more sense to me if Euron has something to do with it, but then again I'd rather not think of show Euron...
I agree, unless littlefinger was made to take the black, call it scheming by Varys or something. He brings down the wall and flees back to the vale going “I’m your lord let’s keep doing what we have been doing” and once again the vale closes its doors.
Then the mad queen arc culminates in her basically burning out the place that was untouched by the war. For more points, Arya symbolically finishes her list by killing littlefinger first but ultimately perishing in the flames.
For more bonus points sansa actually marries ballish of her own volition, but only to give Arya the opening. (Arya taking off Sansa’s face or something once the bedding ceremony commences)
I disagree given how revenge motivated Littlefinger reveals himself to be. While he certainly profited off of the War of the Five Kings, creating a war that he knew would place the Riverlands as the battlefield could also be read as him finally being able to get revenge on the Riverlands, to at last hurt back the man who had hurt Littlefinger by sending him back to the Vale while he was healing from his sword wound, "denying" him of Catelyn (not a real grievance, but real to Petyr), and aborting his baby. As shrewd a businessman as Baelish was, I also like the theory that he's still the pissed off boy who wants to hurt those who wronged him back.
Can y’all give this man his channel back plz 💀
I feel that another addition to this Littlefinger rewrite is to add the major difference book Littlefinger has with show Littlefinger. There is actually a RUclips video where George himself goes over the difference between the two Littlefingers and I believe that book Littlefinger offers a much more interesting story progression, as he starts like someone that you would believe Ned Stark would trust only for the "you shoukdn't have trusted me" line to hit even harder and as the show ptogresses we see more and more of Littlefinger revealing slowly and steadily his true self.
Hacked again 😭
Bro got hacked 😢
u got hacked again??
That horse drawing ought to be the title art for this show forever. Perfect summary.
damn, the channel got hacked
@youtube needs to do something about it. This channel has been hacked.
Personally, i'd be annoyed but mostly fine with him dying in a sham trial at Sansa and Arya's hand. But what i've truly hated is him grovelling at their feet for mercy. That isn't Littlefinger. The LF i know would tell any lie to get himself out of a situation like that. Imagine a scenario where LF spins the truth of his accusation to a point where he could believeably be innocent but Sansa executes him anyway. Or a scenario where he is forced into a trial by combat similar to when he fought for Catelyn. Except this time, he fights for his life. It could have been a good conclusion to his character but the show instead is interested in making Sansa as unambigiously "right" and "good" as possible by killing the bad guy and its stupid on so many levels
He begged because he knew he was out of options. They called him out multiple lies in that scene…there was nothing else he could do.
They also had bran who could just be the lie detector.
@@carastone3473 Which is stupid because the LF we know wouldn't never put himself in situations that he'd run out of option.
This channel got hacked lol. And it's bad because they're using it for scams.
Bro, were you hucked?
Come on people, we need to flag this channel to YT so they do some kind of verification/investigation!
Did your channel get hacked again?
Love the idea of him scheming to get his hands on the horn! Would’ve gave Varys a compelling plot where he uses his little birds to gain info to stop Littlefinger for the good of the realm
Damn, this was hella brilliant holy cow! And the best part is that it sounds like something little finger would come up with! Littlefinger! the destroyer of the wall! the Queens Terror! The man who flew too close to the (red) sun!
Littlefinger and Varys going after each other was my favorite thing to watch.
LF was so calm but so scary.
hacked boys-hacked boys, what you gon' do? What you gonna do when they come for you??
Did the account get hacked?
lmao at baelish as queen in the north, made me laugh more than it should
Brothers the channel is hacked rn do not click on any links after this video
Hey, you got hacked again :(
Love this format. Make the "Fix _______" a series. Do "Fix Varys" next, please.
What happened to this channel? All the vids are like Fortnite hacks or something now
I’ve been wondering the same thing! The only thing I can think of is his account got hacked or compromised. The last few weeks of content is just out of left field!
He got hacked
He posted video with explanation on his second channel Supercuts Action
Yeah he got hacked. Alot of creators hasn't even getting hacked recently by the same person/group
Think someone hacked your channel boss
Extremely happy the deleted/ or privated videos of yours are back! Was worried I was stuck watching them through the eyes of reactors.
My guess is that D&D felt the uncanny drama of the Jeyne Poole subplot would be on-brand, but having failed to include the Poole family, couldn't face introducing a new character so late in the story, so they plonked it on Sansa, warping Littlefinger in order to do so. To me it's a clear example of their evident understanding of Martin's work as "Fantasy but horrible!" instead of Martin's approach, which is much more "Horrible, but fantasy." How Littlefinger will shake out in the actual story is a fascinating question.
Yeah too bad it'll never be
Writing a cohesive story about a collection of stories losing cohesion must be a tricky business and, as D&D demonstrated, it's easy to muck up. Don't do what they did and let the opportunity to say something edgy dull your faith in the material or its author.
@@joeyoung431 They're morons and a product of failing upwards
But Jeyne was in ep 1- she was sitting next to Sansa at the Winterfell dinner - where they screwed up, was making her barely more than a cameo- she doesn't go to Kingslanding; her plotline is just clumsily grafted onto Sansa's- whereas BookSansa is exploring Vale politics & secrets...
Excellent video and analysis as always!
And as someone who is replaying Skyrim after 5 years, I am really loving the OST in the backgroud!
Cheers from Aus. !
Bro what happened? Is your channel hacked or something ?
yeah he got hacked
Obviously lmao XD
Every fan rewrite I've ever read is way better than what D&D did.
He got hacked 😢😢
19:00 I kinda like the idea of Littlefinger being a Great Other cultist.
The way I'd do LIttlefinger is having him first ally himself with the Lady Stoneheart with aims to take over the Riverlands from the Freys. There's no question that this is something he can achieve. He was already close to Cat and now also has Sansa to present to her, and declare that he saved her from King's Landing. He now also has a considerable amount of military power behind him from the Vale. By the end of season 5, he should have achieved the goal of taking down the Freys and getting the Tully family back in charge (all incredibly indebted to him for his help). Simultaneously, I'd have Stannis capture Winterfell from the Boltons, and put Rickon in charge, with the help of Jon (with some minor subplot about finding Rickon)
Season 6 his conflict would be with Stannis. He wants to use Sansa again, but this time to get the North, and he can't do that if Rickon is Lord of Winterfell. What he would do is argue to his faction that the Rickon is clearly a fake since it is public knowledge that Rickon is dead (TBH he wouldn't even be lieing - he would actually believe the Rickon is fake - he might have spies, but there's no way his spies are good enough to confirm the survival of Rickon). Lady Stoneheart already dislikes Jon and Stannis so the conflict is pretty easy to set up (as long as Rickon stays safe in Winterfell where Lady Stoneheart can't verify his identity). On the other side of the conflict, Stannis and Jon, after having already discovered the fake Arya supplied by Littlefinger, would not trust that his new Sansa is actually the real Sansa (again, as long as the characters never meet). So here is a Stark vs Stark conflict that they wanted, except that this one makes sense.
That's as far as I got. I would like to point out that although Littlefinger's plan here is pretty watertight, it does have 1 weakness, and that if Sansa trusts Jon. And this weakness is a particularly interesting one to have for the plot because it means Sansa CAN resolve the conflict and betray Littlefinger by meeting up with Jon so he can verify that she is in fact the real Sansa, and in turn going to Winterfell to verify that Rickon is in fact the real Rickon. I find this possibility pretty awesome!
Rickon was suppose to be Aegon the Unlikely of House Stark, not Rickon Stark who couldn't Zig Zag
Take over the Riverlands from the Freys? Littlefinger was awarded Harrenhal and the title of Lord Paramount of the Riverlands for arranging the the alliance between the Tyrells and Lannisters. He already ruled the Riverlands, the issue was that it was a war torn mess.
They were desperately trying to find source material to work with since their own writing was so weak, thought they could just substitute Sansa into the Jeyne Poole subplot, and didn’t realize that the plot loses all coherency if you do this. It was a dumb arc for not only Littlefinger, but also Sansa. Her characterization got strange and weak. She was *already* weak and powerless in King’s Landing, so the Bolton arc just felt like unnecessary torture porn for her and didn’t advance her growth at all. A real shame for both characters.
I don't think he "loves" Sansa. He loved Cat, in a creepy, stalkerish, obsessed way. Sansa is a standin
In the books Littlefinger spent much more time to win over the Vale, and it's impossible to fix his character without fixing Varys and Stannis first. It's heavily implied from geopolitical percpective that the Northern Alliance from Robert's rebbelion (Of the Vale, Riverlands and the North) would be reestablished with Stannis or Jon as their apparent leader and Littlefinger pulling the strings while the other half of the realm would be under control of (pseudo) Targaryens under Young Griff and Varys. It'd be completely natural for the lands and houses that fought Targaryens 17 years ago to do the same again. In all honesty the final conflict of the show (after defeat of the white walkers) would be between Varys and Littlefinger, two masterminds who started the war in the first place. Show really did poor Petyr dirty.
what about Euron Greyjoy? No one pays attention to that mdfkr right now and he is eager to start the apocalypse
Supercuts got hacked.
Littlefinger should do what he does in the books and buy up all the wheat from across Westeros for the upcoming Winter. He will have a monopoly on food supplies and can "give out" grain to peasants to ingratiate himself and any of his attempts/claim for the Iron Throne.
Sorry to see you got hacked glad you got it sorted!
Hey i think you got hacked broskis
Hacked? Getting my feed littered with game hacking garbage.
You should make more of these "fixing" videos for different characters.
I personally feel like littlefinger wouldn't consider bringing down the wall, as much as chaos benefits him i feel like that would close too many opportunities for him aswell, however if he did manage to acquire it he could effectively use it as a very powerful bargaining chip, attack me or dont follow my orders and you will have a much bigger problem, he could hold the whole of westeros to ransom essentially.
Although this does rely on him believing in the power of wn old horn that seemingly does nothing unless you believe in magic in that way and i dont think he does, however he may recognise that enough of the right people believe in its power and play on that, even if he didn't believe in it himself.
Early Littlefinger: Chaos is a ladder.
Later Littlefinger: Chaos lol.
Chaos is a lad- _derrr!_
Good to see the account back
Hey, not sure if your aware but it looks like your acc has been hacked, loads of new videos in 24 hrs
Littlefinger and Varys were my favourite characters of the show. The entire game of thrones revolved around them and it was so fascinating to watch. To see them not only be given the importance they deserved later on, but to basically be completely swept under the rug in a rush was infuriating. Probably the two most disappointing character endings too. A channel called Uniquenameosaurus did an amazing General retwrite of the second half of game of thrones and handled their characters and the conflict between them perfectly, portraying Littlefinger as the main villain of the king’s landing storyline and giving them a perfect ending.
I couldn't concentrate on what you were saying because of the skyrim ambience music in the background lol
I just realize you put an Skyrim song in the video and I love it. Love your videos
Cersi likely called Little Finger to King's Landing to see if he would come, using your own logic she can assume he won't appear if he is responsible for Sansa's escape. Little Finger then calls her bluff by appearing, which is on brand for his character and story.
I like the part when littlefinger yells "you've been fingered!" and runs away.
Did you get hacked or something?
Nah he's just a game cheat channel now
@@aouyiucan confirm
@@heynowur9146 Really? Like im actually curious.
I mean this as a compliment.
You should have been a writer for the show .
Has this channel been hacked? What's with the fortnite and modding tutorials?
Second time he's been hacked this month, smh
Yea it got hacked
It's probably D&D who hacked him cos he's been shitting on their show for years after the finale@@aouyiu
"then this video would be 45 minutes long" GOOD
“Jeyne, Jeyne, it rhymes with pain”
For me he never really worked, for the same reasons he didn’t work for GRRM who called him the most changed character in the show from the books)that was an early interview through, before the Dorne shit) Aidan Gillen play him way too obvious, he’s so much the evil vizir trope, he’s transparently an evil manipulator. Book Littlefinger is more unassuming, more friendly. But yeah season 5 is where the show died, and Littlefinger and Sansa plot is one of the reasons why.
My favorite character so thank you ❤
Channel got hacked. Don't download anything or click any links. Just report the videos.
2nd time this month
What do I report it as?
"Legal issue" idk, but I do wanna report it.
There should be a "hacked content" option or some sh*t
@@rookie_odst2560spam