Fate in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
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- Опубликовано: 18 июл 2020
- Analyzing how Fate works in Jojo, and how the characters deal with it.
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Other Anime: the protagonist overcome fates and becomes strong
Jojo: overcome fate=infinite death
You know the rules and so do us
@@cookedhappyman3780 Araki to dogs be like:
I like how fate in Jojo could be interpreted both ways. A way to overcome it and a way to accept its existence. Diavolo is so obsess about changing his fate that in the end, he did indeed attain his life long goal to be ascended or an immortal so to speak but at the cost of him enduring his cycle of unending death, meanwhile, Dio has already accepted that fate is unavoidable thus he creates a new plan or a new way for himself as well for other people to see their own fates and accept it us such and embrace it no matter what. In the end, Dio did achieve his so called "heaven' but like fate itself, it changes, thus creating a new fate or a new 'heaven" in which not everyone knows what their ultimate fate is but it is still there currently present. It was fate that the main cast of Jojo in part 6 all meet together again for the second in this new world.
U know what? That is exactly what I think Sophokles meant with Edipo
@Mike Hawkizard Nope.
When u realize that jonothan monologue when he was about to die” dio our fate might truly be one of the same” is in line with dio later on ideology of gravity
It's highly likely that, with those being the last words Jonathan said to Dio, Dio simply mulled them over for the hundred years he was at sea and came to determine how fate truly could not be fought, therefore the best alternative was to simply know one's fate and then accept it as how it will happen.
Legion Beast definitely agree i am sure he was rethinking his life in the coffin, and everything that happen with jonathan etc etc that lead up to his ideology of gravity and heaven
@@legionbeast watch the episode again. He didn't say that to dio, those were just he's thoughts.
*Jonathan sorry
You can say Baron Zepelli is the one character to achieve heaven because he knew his fate but marched towards it anyways
One of the things people overlook when they say "Pucci won" or "DIO was actually the hero of JoJo" when they're exposing how little the paid attention to Part 6 is DIOs idea of Heaven is inherently selfish and based on an arrogant superior view of humanity. He basically thinks if everyone knows what is going to happen to them from birth to death, they'll accept it and be content with their lot in life. But first of all: people would mostly just be confused after the universe resets itself which we do see snippets of, so they'd probably just go through life with a sense of deja vu. And even if they get the message that what they experienced was the path of their life that will play out absolutely, if their fate sucks ass, basic human nature would compel them to try to change their fate, not accept it.
DIO wants a world of subserviant humans who will live their lives in absolute submission to his will, and is so full of himself that he thinks they should be happy about that.
They wouldn't be able to change their fate, their personalities even though they could end up being vastly different, wouldn't be able to modify anything because fate controls their actions, ands they would know that thanks to Made in Heaven.
So Fate in JoJo still sucks ass
It's even more selfish in the context of the Heaven plan itself. Because as far as I understood it, Dio would be the only person absolved of fate in that new Universe. Therefore, he would literally be a living God - he would have complete control of anyone's actions, because he is not subjected to fate.
@@statisticserinokripperino part 6 heaven is all about godly power of absolutely free will with fatalistic universe with no free will. In philosophy someone that has absolute free will has godly power to change fate and destiny. Dio want an ultimate power to become a god. Pucci want to be a priest to preach philosophy of fatalism and guide humanity into believing it. He literally make a world where everyone has no free will except him and guide them into believing his philosophy of fatalism that he discovered when his sister Perla death is and will make everyone happy and have a peace of mind. Pucci is very definition of hypocrite
@@almalayuwiyyah2512 I could never hope to put this in any way better
@@almalayuwiyyah2512 True, but the way he talks about it is very convincing (at least for me) and knowing what he went through, I see how Dio's (lets be honest) manipulation sounded so good to him.
Both Pucci and Dio let lives constantly plagued by fate, so it makes sense they would want a world where they can know their future and accept it.
8:28 --> "Fate can be changed but the changing of Fate is still predestined"
*M I N D B L O W N*
You may have outsmarted me, but I outsmarted your outsmarting!
They called me a madman)
It's confusing but it makes sense.
*flashbacks to Mista destroying rolling stone*
Jojo is not the first story where fate or time traveling work like this. Though I think it makes much less sense than the more popular multiple timelines kind of time traveling where a new timeline is created every time something changes fate where the the new timeline is the one you're now in and the old timeline is what was supposed to have happened.
I think why fans don't like it is because the don't accept the premise that there is fate .
Wait, people dont like the concept of fate in jojo?
@@jokaro3069 People don't like the concept of fate in reality
@@UviChaos Me neither
But the way fate is used in Jojo is much MUCH better and complex than most
I think it's more so because some people see it as a method of pushing the story forward rather than an aspect of the story due to how fate is often mentioned when it feels like it is being used to push the story forward (except in part 6) and these people don't really think about how fate would impact other events or ideas or characters.
by "fans", do you mean the 45 people (out of ~34 000) who disliked the video?
Finishing Part 6 actually helped me a lot with understanding confusing stuff like King Crimson. If you know how fate in JoJo works it makes many things much more clear.
Dude
How can you call King Crimson's ability "confusing"
Part 6 made me realize how shit part 5 really is.
@@giuseppeagresta1425 People call KC "confusing" cause of the super outplayed meme that used to be funny. The notion of KC being confusing was only meritable when the manga scans for Vento Aureo were translated poorly; but now that they've been updated it makes it a more clear, and on top of that the anime explained the best. At this point if one is still confused by KC then they are either kidding, or they genuinely have attention problems with following a plot 🤷♂️😂
@COMMIEBALL
Thats another reason why commies should commit _bite the dust_
@@Daydy377 I like part 6 more than part 5, but it's not true that Vento Aureo is trash
I never will understand people who read parts 4-6 and continue to say fate is a cop out, like just say you don't know how to read bro it's okay
Don't mess with JoJo fans
We don't know how to read
People don't like a lot of part 5. Giorno being lame, having a beyond broken stand, Diavolo getting the worst ending all sours people. Its made worse by Araki cramming in Sleeping Slaves/Rolling Stones right after to beat people over the head with it. We understand it fine but that doesn't mean we like it. Then there is the issue of contradiction with King Crimson. He can't attack but severs Trish's hand, oh its fate, stop questioning it. What I'm saying is, part 5 sucks.
He did it immensely better in part 6 though and despite dealing with the same theme, is much, much more palatable.
@@L2DaK2Dap I think people hate part 6 more but fair points
@@tvt2428 The hate for 6 comes mainly from the minor villain stands. Nearly everyone agrees the Space Center stuff is great and much of that is rife with the theming of fate and gravity.
@@L2DaK2Dap Nah, you're talking about dumbasses. Come back a few years later with actual arguments instead of wrong nitpicks, kid.
Jojolion 99 has one of the best "fate" revelations in JoJo.
If you think about it,probably tooru/Wonder of U can control destiny,causing the calamities
I havent read a single jojolion chapter but my yt recommendation yells a lot about chapter 99, should I start reading?
@@owari6336 read it if you've already read/watched the previous parts, part skipping is just dumb
fork knife mangadex.com or on the jojo subreddit menu, you can find downloads for every part so you can read online or offline
@@nullkazune2025 Is part 8 connected to part 7? Isn't it other universe? For me part skipping is acceptable since it has no connection or whatever (though I haven't skipped yet)
I theorize that Jolyne's name change in the ending to Irene was also caused by fate. To put it simply my theory is that Jolyne was "fated" to take part in the events that happened in part 6, making her a "Jojo". If Pucci didn't exist then the world wouldn't need another Jojo, so she became Irene, but still has the same soul. This explains why Jotaro kept his name, he had his own story which he was fated to happen with that name. The ending universe contains the same souls as the first one. The only difference between them is the lack of Pucci.
Exactly it also has a different meaning since now jolyne is free from the joestar curse to fight evil like dio so her name was changed she doesn’t have jojo anymore since she is now free, free from fighting she can finally be happy
What if stone ocean is the first part, that's why it have so many inconcistencies, ireneverse is the main timeline (without pucci's existence)
Alejandro Maturana what ?
Alejandro Maturana what
@@zeinner237 i have a theory, the first timeline culminates with the events of stone ocean and made in heaven, second timeline is the pucciverse where everyone knows their fate, third timelines would be the main timeline, everything till part 5 goes as normal, the history we all know and love.
So stone ocean has some inconsistencies with the rest of the series, and besides some references to prior events (mainly part 3) we could say it stands apart, like the ubication of the requiem arrow, Dio's traveling the world and jotaro's 5 second time stop.
Now the fourth timeline, the SBR and jojolion one is kinda problematic, because the events oh that timeline could perflectly happend in the main timeline and we wouldn't have to know.
That last paragraph comes because (Jojolion mild spoilers) we see speedwagon fundation studying the higashitaka terrain on morioh.
Still its on probation tho
This adds more context on why the child Gyro was trying to save died. He was fated to do so. Yes, it makes Gyro's journey feel like nothing on the surface... But if Gyro never went on his journey then he wouldn't had never changed Johnny for the better. And we see how much of a better person Johnny becomes from the history books in Part 8.
The child was fated to get sick and push Gyro on his journey. Not all fated meetings are happy ones but they do lead to better outcomes in the grand scheme of things.
You are right. I hope they make it clesr in the anime.
damn im halfway thru part 7 and kinda sucks to see this spoiler :(
@@wowaduck719 eh, it really doesn't change much in the grand scheme of things.
@@wowaduck719 I'm sorry about that! Wish there was a way for youtube to put up spoiler tags.
@@wowaduck719 HERES ANOTHER SPOILER FOR YOU...JOHNNY JOESTAR DIES AFTER HIS HEAD GOT CRUSH BY A ROCK...A ROCK I TELL YA.
Araki : **compare Fate as a fundamental force of the universe and even use Gravity as a metaphor**
"JoJo Fans" : ArAkI uSe FaTe As A aSsPuLl
Araki isn’t perfect. People interpret things differently
@@mumbalig2092 wrongly*
Fate was the very basic of JoJo storyline since Part 1. It's people who are dumb.
Dawid Nowak the JoJo fandom gets a bad rep because of elitists saying that JoJo is god. Meaning that less and less people will want to get into JoJo. And also, you can’t call someone dumb for interpreting things differently. And @flersive I know what I said and I mean what I said. I like JoJo as much as you guys and not everyone is going to pick up on the same hints as everyone else
While it seems like he has mechanics for fate it is still an asspull, as with some other stuff he does. It's just part of the JoJo package at this point.
People who think that fate is "excuse for asspulls" are probably the same people who think that mirror world in part 5 is contradiction to what Kakyoin says in part 3. IQ = 0.
*the same people who think Mista's Stand is called "Six Pistols" instead of "Sex Pistols". IQ < 0
The same people who criticize the time stop for being able to talk as much as they want. 0 iq
the same people who think araki forgets something. 0 iq
Dawid Nowak I mean most of the time I used it as a joke but seriously, Is there actually people who unironically believe that?
ARAKI FORGOT HOW STANDS CAN GO THROUGH STUFF DIVER DOWN IS USELESS
I always praised Jojo's use of fate. Whenever I see someone complaining about it, you just know they have no clue what they are actually talking about. They probably heard "fate" and wrote the whole thing off without actually looking back or thinking about how it was integrated.
I always look back to the final stand of Will Zeppeli, in truly accepting his fate. That moment means a lot to me.
Wait does this mean that, in a way, Will Zeppeli had achieved DIO's view of Heaven??
@@natbihun1963 kind of
@@natbihun1963 In theory, anyone can achieve that "heaven", DIO just wanted to force everyone into it.
Wait, are you talking about fate in real life or fate in jojo cause in real life fate doesn’t work like that at all
@@charleskruger8607
Nobody knows how fate works irl
I just realized that the reason rolling stone shows fate is because fate is set in stone
Wow u opened my eyes that make soo much sense how the fuck didn’t i realize this sooner ( btw i am not sarcastic i seriously never thought of this thank u
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Looking at the comments, people are talking about others calling Fate an asspull. I have an easy answer to this: Those who say that have never read the manga, and if they did, completely skipped over the parts that explains Fate.
Like people who read fast a part to get to the another one or that persons that dont understand something but dont tries to do it.
It doesn't matter how much you explain and lay a foundation for fate existing and being a real force. When you use fate to justify some dumbass plot development like Kars (some-fucking-how) getting punched by Joseph's severed hand getting launched by a volcanic eruption causing him to get launched out of earth's atmosphere, that's an asspul. It's fate being used as a cheap excuse for something ridiculous to happen. And I don't mind it personally, jojo is all about ridiculousness, but when someone has the audacity to argue that this ain't some cheap shit because "they explained fate", that's annoying.
@@Ghally Then don't read/watch Jojo then.
How about Gravattact on Ben 10 Omniverse when he wants to stop the Time Beast of havoc on the city
11:04 It's like A one show, one believes
The concept of fate is the very reason I started to love JoJo in the first place, most other writers give depth to their stories by pushing incredibly specific concepts as their message, or by giving ambiguous morality to their characters, JoJo isn't like that, but at the same time, it is...
On first look, JoJo is a simple good vs evil story, there's always a hero, just how there's always a clear villain to be defeated by the end. It never gets more complicated than that. But at the base of all of this, is fate, and instead of just brushing it off as "just fate" araki actually commits to explore this concept deeply...
That's JBA's depth...
And in each part, araki explore fate in a different point of view in a different manner by his character motivation goals and action
@@zeinner237 yeah, araki is definitely one of my favorite authors ever, his work always surprises me, specially right now with jojolion
Someone well i haven’t read jojolion yet but i definitely think he is doing a wonderful job i love him to he is my fav mangaka ever i just hope that his work will finally get the recognition that it deserved and that people stop just thinking jojo is a meme show with no deep story
"Jojo is a simple good vs evil story"
I mean, until part 3🗿
Giuseppe Agresta even part 1 the story was about living and life that was one of the most important theme also fate is in it when jonothan talks about it to dio u can make other analysis to each part if u want to lol
People often ignore how omnipresent fate has been from the start. Also I think that fate aligning itself with justice and peace is a nice thought, especially nowadays.
I concur. Hell, the concept of fate that Araki is presenting could even be what fate truly is in real life. No matter what, no matter how hard you try to circumvent fate, and avoid it, it will eventually correct itself into a right and just path. The most notorious dictators ultimately met their demise through one thing or another, and from that moment on, the countries under that terrible influence started to correct themselves. It takes time... But fate will set it self onto a just path.
Great comments that I agree with
I mean, luck and fate stuck out immediately in the anime (The prologue with the narrator after Dario “saves” George, plus Sono chi no Sadame’s lyrics.), and as soon as Dio’s moles are mentioned.
@Wild Fang They won't listen, but a day will come when they wish that they had.
@Wild Fang Fate hasn't taken effect yet, luckily the cogs of Fate are still moving along.
Weather Report and Pucci's stand were both created by the same event, and this event spawned the two stands that would bring Pucci to achieve heaven and take it away!
And ironically enough, Weather Report is more close to heaven with his abilities than the horse riding stand Made in Heaven, and the first is the one that ends the second and his fake idea of "heaven".
"Could this all have been predetermined by some event that happened long before anyone was aware?"
Almost as if, long ago, "a creator" (as referred to in Jojolion 99) took the first napkin...
Suppose that you were sitting down at this table. The napkins are in front of you, which napkin would you take? The one on your ‘left’? Or the one on your ‘right’? The one on your left side? Or the one on your right side? Usually you would take the one on your left side. That is ‘correct’ too. But in a larger sense on society, that is wrong. Perhaps I could even substitute ‘society’ with the ‘Universe’. The correct answer is that ‘It is determined by the one who takes his or her own napkin first.’ …Yes? If the first one takes the napkin to their right, then there’s no choice but for others to also take the ‘right’ napkin. The same goes for the left. Everyone else will take the napkin to their left, because they have no other option. This is ‘society’… Who are the ones that determine the price of land first? There must have been someone who determined the value of money, first. The size of the rails on a train track? The magnitude of electricity? Laws and Regulations? Who was the first to determine these things? Did we all do it, because this is a Republic? Or was it Arbitrary? NO! The one who took the napkin first determined all of these things! The rules of this world are determined by that same principle of ‘right or left?’! In a Society like this table, a state of equilibrium, once one makes the first move, everyone must follow! In every era, this World has been operating by this napkin principle. And the one who ‘takes the napkin first’ must be someone who is respected by all. It’s not that anyone can fulfill this role… Those that are despotic or unworthy will be scorned. And those are the ‘losers’. In the case of this table, the ‘eldest’ or the ‘Master of the party’ will take the napkin first… Because everyone ‘respects’ those individuals
@@user-lq2wk5yr4xwhat the heck
So basically…
Pucci wanted to make the whole people on the planet like scollopi from part 5…
Scollopi was a clear reference to Jesus, and remember Jesus accepted his own death as his fate in order to reach heaven like the human being he was before the resurrection.
You're wrong. Scollipi wanted others to die and not accept the fate. Pucci and Dio wanted everyone to accept their fates and live a life without fear.
@Tornike Tvalchrelidze Eyes of Heaven isn't even canon. Dio said in Part 6 that he's not seeking for power because it's pointless. Power isn't fun and satisfying. Eyes of Heaven just doesn't make sense, don't even mention it. Pucci would never be friends with Green Baby if their talk wasn't genuine so Dio is completely honest in conversation with Pucci. Or he would just make Pucci a minion in Part 3 if he wouldn't care for him.
@Tornike Tvalchrelidze I'm not saying Araki forgot. Dio kept his plan a secret and has only told Pucci about it because he trust in him because he's friends with him. Dio literally has said in his plan that he needs a trustworthy friend in order to succeed in his plan. The whole point of Part 6 is that Dio's plans was not like in Part 3 all the time and that he just wants to get rid of the Joestars, that's all. His goal was "heaven" and not to rule the world. We can also see that he is extremely calm around his minions. He doesn't consider them as enemies (I'm talking about the ones who weren't paid), but he uses them as power to defeat Joestars. He also wanted to grant them a "peace of mind", which is "heaven" we are told about in part 6.
A nice topic...
Calm voice...
music...
10 / 10 video
you should have mentioned the Oingo Boingo Bros. thats an excellent example of Fate in jojo
@@dyvyby It's more than just that. As soon as a reading is made in the Manga, the prophecy *must* happen. Boingo's only "fault" is that he can't read between the lines, namely that what he sees is not necessarily happening due to his actions or even soon. Him seeing Jotaro die held utterly true - it's just that he had nothing to do with it and he couldn't realise this.
Nooo but you cant say that. Rollarollada zawarudo kakyoin milf araki forgot part6 bad fate is asspull
Nooo but diver down is useless, why didnt jotaro use Star finger?, it's that a mf jojo reference?!, Koichi pose, where the fuck is Mickey?!, Fate is asspull
YEAH AND STAR PLATINUM IS JONATHAN'S SOUL
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JoJo Reddit moment.
@@thegodofsoapkekcario1970 Certified Milf hunter moment
JoJo has such deep and interesting villains that can teach us about life and humanity... and then there's kars...
Well...um..............hes flamboyant...thats something I guess.
Insane self-absorbed and supremarcy. That's kars for you.
Kars is just there, being fabulous and T-posing in the light of the sun.
I think Kars represents when a person wants to be perfect above all else, and then uses that as an excuse for atrocities.
Then in the end, what he has attained froze him.
Joseph, however, is clever and uses what he has to win, and he does. He also fights in an honorable way and for his life and eventually the world. Honor, self-preservation, and especially the third thing can be tied to justice, which is also part of fate.
Therefore, one could say that Battle Tendency is saying that fate is attained by working with what you have and being clever instead of seeking “the ultimate solution”, for in clever steps one will eventually face what they need to face. This is opposite Kars, who wanted to be the best and still wasn’t because of luck. It is like Diavolo, but less overt.
@@iantaakalla8180 Remember that Kars loses because he is no longer tied to the Earth's gravitational pull. Diavalo loses because he can no longer arrive at what is fated.
Wow, I never really read JoJo like this , I did have some ideas of some shit , but not in depth . This video is making me want to read it again , I feel like I missed a lot .
Jojo requires careful study. There is a lot that everyone misses on the first read/watch.
Unfortunately, this video is fated to be misunderstood by JoJo "fans."
You mean r/shitpostcrusaders users?
Oh oh sir you dropped this 👑
@@hybmnzz2658 The worst part is that due to that sub, stuff like Shuckmesiter's Araki forgot has been accepted as fact in the fanbase. The sub had an unhealthy effect on the fanbase, that's the reason why most people hate the JoJo fanbase.
ゴゴ Joji Joestar ゴゴ ikr?? “Araki forgot” was funny cuz no one actually took it seriously and most people knew that it was mainly the readers fault. But then everyone started to think they were serious and it just got really unfunny really quickly.
NOW IS TIME TO CHANGE THE FATE, KINGU CURIMUSION
Remember at the end of Part 1, Jonathan is bleeding out and holding Dio's head and the last words he says are how he feels how he and Dio truly are bound by fate. It's highly likely that, with those being the last words Jonathan said to Dio, Dio simply mulled them over for the hundred years he was at sea and came to determine how fate truly could not be fought, therefore the best alternative was to simply know one's fate and then accept it as how it will happen.
Omg Dio thinking about Jonathan's last words for so long is a heartbreaking headcanon to me, that's awesome
*_Is the destiny of mankind controlled by some transcendental entity or law? Is it like the Hand of God hovering above? At least, it is true that man has no control, even over his own will._*
Average JoJo "fan": thats an asspull!!!
I'm definitely ready to learn more abiut fate in jojo
Worst fates:KARS
DIAVOLO
and SORBET
Jolyne, Jotaro, Anasui and Hermes too 😔
Explanation:
Reread, Their souls are dead, Irene is not Jolene. Pucci said that the souls of Jolene, Joatro, Anasui and Hermes ceased to exist. Of all the positive characters, they have the worst fate, they did not go to Paradise like Jonathan or Buccellati, they were erased from reality
@@user-qw5sw6yw7t just finished part 6 and i dont understand why Jolyne would has worst fate.
MRK what? jolyne got the best fate, she lived a great life with her boyfriend and friends with no hardship
sorbet is nothing compared to diavolo and kars though
@@chomchem9855 jolyne final moments are the worst just by Pucci breaking her stand glasses. So rude!
Imagine saying the artist's drawing purpose is bullshit because you simply don't like it. Fate literally existed in all of the parts of JoJo
Ikr literally the _entire point_ of Will Zeppeli's sacrifice was that he outright knew he was _fated_ to die in battle against the Stone Mask's consequences if he kept pursuing their defeat yet valiantly charged ahead anyway. We literally even see a flashback of one of his guru teachers outright seeing Zeppeli's future ahead of time and predicting the situation Zeppeli would find himself in after reading his palm, so readers going "lol fate copout" when fate was defined as a real fundamental thing as far back as the _first part in the series_ is maddening.
Even in part 1 Speedwagon says the line: "Some people are just fated ro meet each other"
It literally exists all around us.
Nobody applies the term "Dumbness" to entire JJBA just because of how annoying the fate is. But still... If you know that villains will lose, how can you worry for the MCs?
@@shazamman2287Villains lose in almost every type of fiction . The question isn't if they can beat the villain , it's how they can beat the villain . Also Jonathan lost to Dio so there is that . Also Fate ≠ Victory for the good guys .
Basically, Araki wants to tell a story about human greatness and that such things as "Is there a god?" or "Can Fate be altered?" are not the right questions to be asked, no matter if your life as a good or a bad one. Ultimately, Araki wants to say "Try what you can to be good and moral and do not concern yourself with things vastly outside your realm of control." What all villains in JoJo have in common is that they try to direct things in their favour on a grand scale, be it the world, Fate itself or the entire universe and everyone therein, whereas the heroes take what comes and then act according to their morals. The gist of JoJo is "be a good person".
Okay the video is cool and all but we never got to learn the fate of the horses from the mini horse march...
UNTIL JJL CHAPTER 100 BABYYYYYY WHEN THEY COME BACK TO BEAT THE HEAD DOCTOR'S ASS TILL HE BECOMES RED PASTE
Plashe WAIT, [SPOILERS INCOMING]
THEY CAN HIT STANDS?!??!!?1111?!!?222!!????211!? BRUH
@@ronramen5827Spoiler
They be beating Tooru with joshu
Alberto Beto Hernandez They’re the counterparts to vampires.
Araki is just the "My goals are beyond your understanding" type of guy and to his credit from the fanbase *YES HE IS*
The new JoJolion chapter was crazy.
yetihasautism but araki draws it?
@@chomchem9855 Yes and no the mangakas has assistants
@@chomchem9855 His assistants tend to draw the backgrounds, like in that chapter the forest. But Araki does draw the main focuses in each panel
@yetihasautism Araki talking to himself.
I really enjoy this breakdown of the "Gravity" and "Fate" part of part 6 which I found as one of the best storylines in Jojo simply because it seems very technical as well as being super ambiguous as to what is really happening
I've noticed the conflicting ideals between Diavolo and DIO and always found it interesting. It's a shame both of these villains are often misunderstood
Yeah, fate is a theme in Jojo, most people who hate that are not aware of this so they only see it as a last minute asspull.
Excellent video by the way, pretty succinct regarding Araki's writing and intentions behind it, it's a godsend to see this when you have way too many idiots in the fanbase who refuse to put any attention in this.
Dude... What can be interesting in spectating the plot if you know that villains will lose anyways because "fAtE iSsUe LMAO"
@@shazamman2287Villains in Jojo don't lose just because fate exist they lose because they try defy it . They try surpass or cheat fate which eventually leads to their downfall . The message of fate in Jojo is that you should make the best out of your own fate that's given to you . And it goes lot deeper than that in part 5 and 6 .
@@shazamman2287Literally where in the story is said that the MC won because of fate?, or even that fate is helping the heroes?, when in almost every chance the one with good luck is the bad guy
INCREDIBLE VIDEO! Makes Stone Ocean way more clear.
On that note I would like to suggest a similar video but maybe fleshing out the perspective of the protagonists? How Josuke believed in helping others instead of ignoring them, Giorno believed in giving life instead of taking it, and Jolyne.
I don't recall Giorno sparing any lives
That one dog that was saved in part 2, definitely had epitaph
In the summer of 2017 I made a video talking about how much I love part 5 for its use of fate, and couldn't believe how many commenters were "surprised" at the depth, or claimed they changed their position on GER having now understood the significance of fate. I'm so glad that more people are discussing the fate theme now, because it really is integral to the genius of the whole series.
Reading Manga in Theory and Practice is what really drove it home for me, and I honestly believe it's a must read for anyone who likes JoJo. It's pretty much guaranteed to give you a deeper appreciation!
Is "Manga & Theory" practice available to read online?
@@divineshinobi1791 Possibly but I don't know about legally. It's really cheap though, amazon has it for about £10 new, so $15 or so. Well worth it!
@@starlight_artist Oh I thought it could be read online for free
@@divineshinobi1791 I mean, illegally yes, the same way most read manga online. But I'm not aware of anywhere you can find it for free online without breaking the law. I honestly whole-heartedly recommend the purchase.
@@starlight_artist Alright thanks for the info
What people have to understand is that Jojo isn't simply a character drama, or a shonen about setting up good fights. It tells a story about the unconscious, and the hypothetical evolution of humans to a higher state of being. It needs grand and abstract plot mechanics to get all that across. If you take the plot about fate and resolve etc away, all you have is a race for the macguffin for that part, aka the stand arrow, red stone of aja etc. It'd be lame.
No
@@turtleboy1188Care to explain ?
"Fate only follows the path of justice" line hit different when you look back at all the parts and how much every protagonist from each part had to go through, and they still were on the side of justice and what was right. Jojo really is a perfect anime
Alright, at first I just thought to myself "Oh all of the connections must be a coincidence" but you reveal the polar differences of DIO and Diavolo and just
Araki is a masterful story teller.
Honestly out of all the instance of fate I have seen in Jojo, the one that seems the silliest to get mad at is the Tarot Card one. For one thing, from a writing perspective, did you really want to have 3 Stars, 9 Chariots and 6 Hermits? It would make the Stand names more confusing and less unique. Besides that, Tarot Cards are all about fate, out of everything in Jojo I expect that to at least give the character's their fated Stand names. Finally, its a dumb thing to get mad at anyway given all the other crazy things that happen in the series. You mean to tell me you can accept people using buff ghosts with super powers to fight people, you can accept a 100+ year old vampire with the ability to stop time, you can accept a dog with human intelligence, but people getting unique names from Tarot Cards is where you draw the line? Its really odd how people are so willing to accept completely crazy and extreme ideals but still sweat the little stuff. If Jojo was more realistic then that would be fine but its not, it has magic sun martial arts powers, buff ghost summons, big ass buff guys who can eat you just by touching you and Jesus' corpse gives you super powers. Crazy shit happens, an extremely unlikely scenario is the least of these.
Sorry but wdym by "Jesus' corpse?"
I legit haven't seen anything like that JoJo (finished 3 parts, currently at 4)
If its a major spoiler don't give me the details, just the part where it is
@@pkmntrainerred4247Part 7. It is like a reboot universe
I love the explanation of fate being gravity, cause even in the real world unless we prove that elementary particles are completely random (superposition) we can safely say that everything in the universe is predetermined
Jojo's use of fate is beautiful.
If the series has taught me anything, it's that wether you can change fate or not being your best self is all you can do.
People that don't understand fate in Jojo are the same people who think the way Kira died way was silly when he actually has one of the best deaths in the series, or that "GER is a Deus Ex Machina", when infact part 5 is one of the best poetic and thematically written manga, or the concept of Gravity and Heaven that DIO lays out clearly that later goes on to fulfill itself in everyway through part 6s plot and Pucci's intial success, or those who say Alt Diego is a cop out when there is so much set up as to why Johnny cannot win. And theres SEVERAL other examples 💯
UhH, DiEgO wiTh tHe WoRld wAs unNEcesSary anD jUst a fAn SerVice.
No it was NOT!
@@raimaxmezuku9138 Exactly. Meti perfectly explained why this simply isn't the case💯
@@hybmnzz2658 jojokers
@@Schnoz42069 king crimson had such an OP ability, of course the arrow is going to give giorno a super strong ability to be able to beat him, yes it's a really well done power up.
@@Schnoz42069 The reason it's not really a deus ex machina is because it's not an unexpected power or event. The arrow and the requiem ability was built up beforehand. Deus ex machinas, on the other hand, is used to resolve plots with a sudden and unexpected event just to give a positive ending. The requiem ability being able to counter King Crimson is expected and definitely poetic justice. I suppose what was unexpected was the huge ass whooping that was dealt to King Crimson and Diavolo, and more people wanted an even fight before the last hit. I don't think an even fight would fit the story nor the build-up for the arrow/requiem.
What makes fate in JoJo's so much more believable is how fate doesn't always favour the protagonists . Like how it was revealed that Bruno, Narancia and Abbacchio were fated to die from the very beginning after the Rolling Stone arc and how they were unable to change their fate . The only difference between the heroes and Diavolo is that they accepted their fate and tried to do their best in the time they were given unlike Diavolo who was obsessed with changing fate
After reading your twitter I knew this was coming lmao
(うずまきナルト) For the millionth time, HB educated himself on why what he was said was offensive and apologised. You’re not making a difference by saying this over and over again 😐
@@chomchem9855 Don't bother with crazy people. You can't reason with them.
Why are you both just spamming your comments everywhere
Xavi K Because the first reply is spreading misinformation about a content creator I enjoy and is calling them racist when they don’t align themselves with these beliefs anymore. I have an issue with that
@@chomchem9855 I am sorry i have seen his apology i will remove all of my comments.
This is perhaps the single best Jojo video I have ever watched. Also I love how when you start talking about how fate ultimately favours just actions and show a panel from part 8 about ‘The right path’, you play the tear jerking track named ‘The right path’ from part 5’s anime, used at moments such as Abbacchio and Narancia’s deaths.
Poor Hamon Beat... Having to deal with, what seems to be, one of the dumbest fanbases ever
Didn't I see this comment on part 6 debunking Araki forgot with the exact same wording?
@@razorsmith2327 Did you?
@@JBarG22 I don’t know, did you?
@@connordervoncyberlifegesen8529 I don't, this is way I asked.
I think it's more arrogance that leads to them not stopping and thinking about things and rather just write everything off as either "araki forgot" or just not making sense. These are the same people who write part 6 off as not making any sense and as bad while not actually taking a few moments to think about it.
*YES* I have non-stop tried to explain this to people, about how Made in Heaven works and it's relationship to fate and destiny, especially with the "piece of mind" speech. But every time I do it becomes too long and complex. This video makes that explanation simple and easy to understand, so i can just refer to this from now on. thanks.
It just amazes me how everyone seems to perfectly understand Part 5 themes, especially fate, but Part 6 themes are somehow too convoluted and confusing.
It's because the majority of them have never read it. Dumb anime onlies just hear universe reset and assume the rest. Shuckmeister's ridiculous hate videos certainly don't help things.
@@zh7334 Was never a fan of his though i admit i have only seen one of his videos. It kind of sucks that so many popular youtubers completely misinterpret Jojo. In the end i really agree with you that reading is the only way. The anime is great, but reading it is just so much better in almost every way, especially if you want to truly appreciate the themes and characters.
Those vids were for the meme lol
Most of them are battleboarders
So basically in Jojo as long as you accept your own fate and do what you think is right, fate will favor you even when you die. The only reason why Jojo's villain will lose to Jojo is all because they deny their own fate and death at the very end whereas character like all the jobro accept their own destined death and try their best to help the protagonist which results in their "win" over the villain/ death of the villain even when they no longer alive. Please tell me if I am wrong tho, Hamon Beat. Like your videos!
Anime only JoJo fan:"Part 5 is the worst part because fate is lame"
Me, an intellectual who has seen how better fate makes the stories in all parts: *bruh_sfx.avi*
Almost every video by Hamon Beat makes me deepen my appreciation for the storytelling of Jojo and Araki's philosophy in writing stories. Keep up the good work, and thanks for really illustrating these factors of Jojo in such a concise yet thoughtful way.
This is such a well put together video that explains so much about how the parts of JoJo are actually connected. For a long time I just didn't really understand how all of the different parts work together (even thinking that parts contradicted each other) but your videos have really helped me understand the more in-depth philosophy of Araki in his storytelling. Seriously, really amazing stuff!
In the spirit of showing the contrast of each villain in how they view fate, perhaps you can disscuss the duality of the characters in the series (such as Josuke and Kira in Part 4)
BuT pEoPlE hAvE aLrEaDy MadE vIdEoS oN tHaT tOpIc
Indeed although I do want to hear Hamon Beat's understanding/take on the subject
Ivan Louis J Barrantes Right, that’s why I used the sarcastic font.
It honestly baffles me how much some people underestimate part 6. It instantly became my favourite after realizing how important it is to jojo's universe as a whole and how good of an ending it is.
The people who say "bohoo fate is just plot armor" are probably the same who ignore the only jojo part that throughly explores this crucial concept
An in depth explanation on how Araki weaves fate into Jojo is brilliant. Even if a story arc is completed, not everyone's fate has concluded, like Fugo in Purple Haze Feedback or Kira in Dead Man's Questions. Apart from most other media that have poorly worded or executed takes on fate, I can see how careful Araki is in the way he implements it into Jojo. Clearly, major Stands like King Crimson, The World, Killer Queen and Made in Heaven are the most influential to fate, but there are several others that appear like the Requiem Stands or Boingo's Thoth, the latter of which suggests that fate is the most patient element in Jojo since it took 24 years for one of its predictions to come true. And as was explained with the differences between DIO's and Diavolo's takes on fate (one who accepts vs one who denies), fate is patient, but also unforgiving if it's outright rejected.
If this hasn't been done already, may I suggest you cover how the Requiem Stands work? I know that a Requiem Stand comes when the arrow pierces the Stand, but I'm not sure if there's more to it than that.
Good thing we have you.
I am a simple man, I see Hamon Beat upload and I click + like
@@mccoy2294 What are you a shuckmeister fan or something??
i love all of jjba and listening to you talk about it always gives another perspective. keep doing you dude ty for all the time spent making these.
The easiest way to sum it all up is Araki is the god of JoJo and all characters in JoJo bend to the will of Araki’s will and whatever happens in JoJo is whatever the fuck Araki wants it to be. Jojo characters can experience the sorties being written by Araki and the characters decided that it’s fate moving them along a set path rather than a middle aged Japanese man making up their lives as he goes along.
araki stand
Pretty much. Fate decided that the main villain will fail
As an Orthodox Christian, I can relate exactly to the JoJo's acceptation of fate
And in a totally different way, in Avatar The Last Airbender we see the exact same kind of understanding fate as the main JoJo's at their respective parts.
If you don't believe me, go watch it now
That’s facts
I think you can even relate more to it in part 7, the amount of the theme of "prayers" and "miracles" in it is admirable
You are such a genius. When talking about the right path you played the OST from GW also named "the right path"
This might have been the best JoJo's video I've ever seen. Please do more analyses like these.
0:53 one of the comments said part 5 was trash. I wonder how stupid that guy is to think it's trash because of fate being used in it? I may have a least favorite part in JoJo but I consider every part to be good in some way or another.
Great video as always. I love your vision on JoJo and how you express it on video. You are one of the best JoJo related channels on youtube
I don’t get the hate, I think the concept of fate in jojo actually adds depth to the show and makes it more interesting
Neither Dio nor Pucci knew exactly what would happen when you attain Heaven. Dio only wanted to achieve some sort of mysterious ultimate power which the control of the flow of time essentially is. The way Pucci used it was his own idea.
Amazing video as always, heck, you outdid yourself with this one actually, so well explained.
I always got the feeling that Araki used fate more as a character that brings the story together, and not a "get out of jail free card" people seem to see it as, but this video helps put everything together nicely and understand exactly what Araki is trying to make with fate.
Thank you for the video.
I loved it. I sometimes misunderstand what araki writes and your videos clear most if not all of it up. Keep it up!
fate in anime has always interested me
Yeah but there just a 2 shows were it was explored in a good way at least from what i have read these shows are bersek and jojo
Can we just talk about that one comment at the start which stated that part 5 is the worst one? Like wtf. It's one of the best
Wow. I love this, such a detailed analysis. Great video
I really enjoyed this analysis, as this is a theme I've wanted to explore more within JoJo's myself. Awesome job!
The way I see it, fate is it's own character. Like some vehicles in movies or tv shows, such as the DeLorian in the B2tF series or The Shining/the supernatural power good guys have in Steven King books.
I think you should making a video examining Diavolo’s split personality and how much of it is rooted in real world psychology
I was just thinking about this the other day. Great video, perfectly polished and explained
I love it when you put "Maze" in the background. It makes what you are saying more meaningful honestly
I wish we could see more of the universe where people knew their fate (heaven according to the mentally unstable vampire and priest) we see it happening a bit during Emporio vs. Pucci but not a lot. Imagine you knew that you would die in a car crash you would try your best to avoid cars but alas fate will caught up to you, this is actually fucked up making people filled with extreme paranoia just to have that bad stuff happened to them.
Even before I knew about JJBA, I've always thought about why things happen and all that fate stuff. This is probs why I ended up being pretty obsessed to the series (especially part 5 and 6)
I have never heard King Crimsons ability explained that way, but now it makes perfect sense. Like I thought I understood it before, but I was never able to conceptualize it so concisely. Great video!
OMG THIS VID IS SO GOOD I HAD NO CLUE ABOUT HALF THIS STUFF THANK YOU SO SO MUCH
chill nigga
Somehow I knew he was gonna do this video when I saw the tweet
incredible content.. Thank you for sharing
I really like your channel and the content you put out
This video is fantastic, keep up the good work man
I feel like the idea of inevitability of fate, fate as gravity, as a tragic force, is extremely fitting with the "Flow" speech of Satoru from the last chapter (99 for people of the future) of Jojolion.
Jojo villains fates rated at how bad and painful it was from 1-100
Kars: fate 90
Dio: fate 15
Kira: fate 50
Diavolo: fate 100
Pucci: fate 31
Funny valentine: fate 5
Tooru: fat- wait *crosses tooru out* ok hold on
Tooru deserves the WORST fate of them all. At least Diavolo is immortal.
Fate in JoJo is the best I've ever seen the topic handled. It's a series all about fate and humanity's role in the world. It really is beautifully poetic in so many ways, irony and justice permeates the whole story. And my favourite thing about it is that it's still relevant to this day, because Araki is so passionate about this idea that he always keeps portraying it in new and exciting and inventive ways. Perhaps now more than ever with Part 8, as the (assumed) big bad seems to be able to "enforce" fate itself by weaponizing accidents (a.k.a calamities) with Wonder of U. This was a great video and I loved the insight!
My favourite of your videos so far. Araki's gravity metaphor sounds quite beautiful. I'll need to finish part 6.
this manga went from action to life lessons real quick
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Thou shalt not be bestowed with the rank of "first"
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This video gave me renewed vigor in my appreciation for Jojo. I've always been a fan of fate as a mechanical feature as opposed to an abstraction to justify abstractions. By making the Fate in Jojo into a fundamental force like Gravity, something which characters can interact with and even test, it makes the potential depth to the story exponentially greater, especially considering how Araki considers a great villain to be one who controls time and space, which fundamentally means they control fate to some extent. (If we consider one's position in space to be the result of ongoing fate).
Mostly, this just filled me with Jojo hype, though. Hats off to you, sir. I'm subscribing just so that I have access to this video.
This is a top-notch video! It's too rare to see themes in any work being discussed intelligently without appeals to 'muh feels'.
Waiting for someone to finally make this video like this.
This video coincidentally has the best KC description I've ever heard:
1. He sees the future
2. He can change what he does in that seen future
3. What he saw is absolute though, so it still happens as if he hadn't changed his actions
4. Everyone else cannot react to his changed movements (they perceive a time skip)
This video was fantastic I can’t wait for more videos like this
This video was really interesting and it blew my mind, good job.