the most iconic and instant way to understand jotaro's character is how he acts cold to his own mother and tells her to stop kissing him, but the one time she doesnt kiss him in the morning he instantly recognizes that something is wrong and rushes to check on her
As other people have said, that doesn’t really make him an less shallow. Then again, only a handful of characters in jojo are actually decent. The rest have multi-personality disorder (like the villains of part 4 becoming completely different after getting beaten).
Jotaro's character, in the anime at least, is mostly told through subtext. And not easy to read subtext either. So I can see how someone who isn't too into analysing stories misses it for him
@@AQ47434 He was caring from the start, the first thing he did on screen was put himself in jail because he saw the "evil spirit" as a danger to people, when his mom got sick he went on a life threatening journey so she can recover , Jotaro doesnt show a lot of emotions but that doesn't mean he lacks them.
and it gets worse as parts go on, Jolyne literally poured gas in her and lit herself on fire so she wouldn't die to hyporthermia microbes, Johnny played angry birds with himself and let a fucking horse kick him in the gut so he could get more height, Gappy is the smartest character in this franchise and has the most self preservation yet he still throws himself into the enemy's stand ability in like every fight (might be a low blow since you can't really predict what the fuck the next character is pulling out of their gaping asshole)
4: Literally ride or die as all hell 5: Will go solo in a fucking 1v2 so he doesn't risk his teammate's lives even if the fight is stacked against him 6: Actively prioritises other's lives over his own 7: Most cowardly character, apparantly
Fugo: *stabs Narancia with a fork over a math question* Cosmonaut: "cAlM cOoL gUy" Polnareff: *literally would rather die than run away from DIO* Cosmonaut: "fUnNy CoWaRd"
@@SkeebzGamez during the video cosmo says that fugo is calm and collected which umm NO just no and then says that polnareff is a "funny coward" when he constantly shows his bravery and wit in the anime (you could call him a funny hothead because he IS kinda bad at measuring the risks of the battle he's taking but also he almost never backs away from a fight except for when kakyoin literally forced him to during the hol horse battle)
@@cnvrgnt Part 2 and 4 are my favourites. Part 2 is just so damn wacky. Like, the scope of things in that part, where we went from an evil vampiric adopted brother to 3 immortal ancient gods of fitness is what makes it so.. JoJo, you know? I also loved how we get to explore more on Hamon, especially in the hands of one that had had more time in perfecting it Part 4 I feel like is where Araki really started to improve as a writer. The many different, yet clever uses of Stands here is a breath of fresh air compared to Part 3, where almost all Stands are the same in that they're primarily used for combat. It should also go without saying that Kira, in my opinion, is one of the best villains in fiction, ever
Ah yes, Fugo the calm and cool guy, he's definitely one of my favorite characters alongside Diavolo the kind-hearted and outgoing family man, Okuyasu the highly intelligent and introverted physicist, and Jonathan who's the reincarnation of Satan himself.
And Johnny, the confident non-amputee who is middling at being a horse jockey, and Funny Valentine a great president that is not like any US president at all. Or Yasuho the selfish person who abandoned buried Josuke and her boyfriend Joshu, the social expert keen on propriety.
@@iantaakalla8180 or jolyne, the evil lawyer that never got caught doing a crime ever. Nope. Ah man i loved that part in part 1 when Johnathan set a ship on fire and tried to kill his wife and son... Good times.
There's also Kars and his three comrades who died valiantly while trying to prevent Joseph from becoming the ultimate life form and threatening all life as they knew it
We also have Jotaro who is very respectful to his mother and shows mercy to enemies. Josuke who is cool with people insulting his hair. Kira the kind hearted and extroverted man who helps people with their problems. Bucciarati the bad leader who doesn't care about his gang. Abbacchio is such a good friend to Giorno who gets along with him since the first episode.
How is mista a funny coward when his origin story is literally him getting into a gun fight in order to save a woman? It’s like he didn’t even watch/read this stuff
The whole thing about Diavolo’s story is that he’s a mystery. He’s a guy who doesn’t want his identity revealed at all costs, so much so that he can conjure up a separate identity that is unaware of his real connection with his boss. I think it’s really fitting that we have to wait until the very end to see what the guy looks like. He has such a hard time revealing his identity that, when we first see him in Venice, he has to hide in robes, in the the darkest corner of the room, because of the slightest chance that someone may see him, it’ll be hard to make out what he looks like.
Funnily enough before the part 5 anime people said diavolo was the worst villain because you barely knew him, even though that was the whole point of his character. Speedreaders/watchers are a special case.
I don't understand how Diavolo being introduced halfway into the story was a problem for him when the exact same thing happened with Kira. I feel like Diavolo had much more of a prescence than Kira did before they were properly introduced.
@@melancholygirl7793 He’s even teased near the beginning! When Giorno and Bruno are planning on taking over the Mafia, we see that there’s a boss in charge of everything, so at that point we could all guess that guy will probably have to be the final threat they need to deal with. At that point in the story, they need to focus on getting Giorno into the mafia and rising up the ranks.
@@rogerpuzzitiello5175 Yeah, exactly! Kira's prescence in the manga was one line you could interpret to foreshadow him. While his prescence in the the anime kind of reinforces that one line.
@@melancholygirl7793 The reason that Diavolo's late appearance is a problem and Kira's is not is because Kira receives tons of development/characterisation during the course of the story, and Diavolo does not. I shouldn't have to explain anything else beyond this.
The reason Josuke's grandpa wasn't in the Great Days opening is because his death was avenged the same episode he died. All the dead characters in the opening had deaths caused by Kira (except Okuyasu's Brother) in which Josuke tried his best to avenge their deaths.
I think the most agregious misrepresentation to me, is saying Fugo is the "calm cool guy." His entire stand is based around how he's ANGRY all the time. It literally shoves that he's not calm in your face by saying "his stand is a manifestation of his anger."
I wouldn't say Fugo is really calm or angry all the time, more he's one or the other and has no in-between phase, just like how Purple Haze was described when it first appeared.
@@grimms8783 as a kid he was rised as a puppet and told to follow the lines all the time unable to voice his own opinions or thoughts keeping his emotions down one of his prime emoitons that was Sealed away and grew the most was anger and rage towards his parents teacher and role place on him sexual harassment and possible rape are good contributes
I love how Cosmonaut said that he won't read part 7 because his taste for Shounen has stopped developing but part 7 is the moment when the series stopped being shounen
I get watching the first parts and deciding that the show isn't for you, hell I can even kind of understand part skipping...but sticking with it all the way through only to stop *specifically* at Part 7? That should be classified as some kind of crime.
@@dubbie7879 and why is that? Like it's not really a matter of opinion. Jojo part 7 (and subsequent part 8) are both seinen which means a certain demographic not genre. Unless you are talking about the above commentor then he is just joking because really, sticking 6 parts just to stop at one of the most praised parts?
Cosmo is also quoted regarding Star Wars "Sometimes you just need to accept the dumb stuff". But somehow he can't do that with JoJos? He's a huge hypocrite
"The deaths are unceremonious" Well it's not like everyone has some energy left to deliver a speech that lasts half a whole episode in their dying breath.
Literally only Avdol has an unceremonious death in Part 3. He gets erased by Vanilla Ice and Cream. Iggy gets a dramatic sacrifice to save Polnareff, and Kakyoin gets to take his last moment of living thought to warn Joseph about DIO's Stand after deducing it *as he is dying* Past part 3? Shigechi gets an insanely dramatic death at Kira's hands, Aya gets a horrific death from him as well. And Kira's own death is incredibly dramatic.
why would you want a grand death everytime. A fast quick silent one shows you how dire the situation is and in tern makes it feel more real. Sorry anime fans, people don't get final speeches in real life ☠
@@ShrimpRice That's why the more I see of the "dying characters needs to have last speech" trope, the more I get tired of it. I heard Cosmonaut is a One Piece fan right? Love that series but when I look back at it, it was tropey like *SPOILER and UNPOPULAR OPINION ALERT* looking back at Ace's death I got bored rewatching it because of how his final words is dragged out for a whole episode. Like is he really dying after getting a MAGMA donut from Akainu? And aren't they in a middle of a war? Some enemy should be striking them at one point.
I wouldn't call Polnareff a coward either. He constantly saw and experienced how life threatening the journey was, but instead of noping out, hiding in a remote place and hoping that Dio won't find him, he kept on going, even after he avenged his sister.
You do realize that a character can still fit the very general mold of an archetype while having moments where he’s not in that mold right? Holy shit jojo fans are the fucking worst
@@ricardomiles2957 lmaoo deadass Narancia was the dude who initiated jumping that guy with abbachio and mista. Yeah very cowardly to jump a guy because you spilled wine on him
I actually love how unceremonious the deaths are in part 5. it makes them feel real. real people don't typically die ceremoniously. they just die. abbachio and narancia were the only two deaths I actually cried over throughout the entire series, mostly due to the other characters reactions (specifically how they grieved for abbachio).
Exactly, they wouldn't have as much of an impact if they had a 5 minute speech talking about how dying. They were there and they were gone, just like real people and that makes them more meaningful
honestly, I loved Abbachio's death because for the first time since king crimsons introduction, we don't see what happens in the time skip. one frame, everything it fine. the next, theres a fist through abbachio's chest and he's bleeding out. it's horrifying and shocking, and i had to rewatch the scene a few times just to realise what happened.
@@martinaelyse9152 Wanna make it worse? Mista didn't visibly cry or grieve until Naranchia died, implying he was trying to act stoic and brave for Naranchia's sake. Buccharati, despite being a corpse unable to bleed still bit his lip so hard that he drew blood, implying his heart pumped once more. You're welcome.
YES in real life death is fast, brutal, and can come out of nowhere. im tired of people just dying in the arms of their friends or loved ones and saying some corny bullshit before passing away at the perfect moment to make the scene as "dramatic" as possible. i WANT more unceremonious deaths in media, because in real life not everyone gets a perfect fairy tale ending. vanilla ice can LITERALLY ERASE THINGS FROM EXISTENCE. how the fuck is a "ceremonious" death even possible in that situation. obviously avdol got obliterated at the snap of a finger, thats what an ability like that would actually be like
"Character arcs don't exist" ah yes, it's not like koichi and johnny joestar have stands that evolve with their character, like a personification of their character arcs
@@Johnson-br2lw I get irrationally angry about how much worse Act 3 is compared to how Utterly Broken Act 2 could be if it was ever used with any imagination. Dude can rewrite the qualities and nature to anything that has a Japanese onomatopoeia (Which is fuckin' everything with how many they have.), And trades it in for "Make stuff heavy.".
@@minatoyukidoorkun3305 i mean Johnny was able to switch acts 2, 3 and 4 using act 1 all the time technically using it all the time (his nail bullets) so why can't Koichi
I lost it at "funny coward". Polnareff is incredibly, stupidly brave and confident, to the point it causes major problems, cause he's just ready to go against anyone anytime. What the fuck.
Even the first fight against Avdol, Polnareff chooses to slowly burn to death rather than take the easy way out with the knife and Avdol even comments that his honor was overriding the flesh bud. He's the polar opposite of a coward or a weakling.
"Characters in part 3 die unceremoniously". Yeah the way Kakyoin died while, uh, (checks notes) directly confronting the main villain who had been shown to have an ability that seemed like extraordinary speed at the time that had been demonstrated plenty of times before was very unceremonious.
@@keodiozubu8670 Undodgeable would be more accurate actually - If Dio didn't have the timestop he would have to somehow deflect everything thrown at him while also keeping himself and TW from touching HG's barriers as much as possible, which would be incredibly difficult even with TW's base speed (which is about the same level as Star Platinum, who could keep up with Chariot). Second, the fight seemed to suggest that Kakyoin's goal at the time wasn't landing a blow, but rather to draw out as much information about TW as he could, which worked out despite it leading to his death, and ultimately changed the tide of battle into Jotaro's favor. In a way, it's like Avdol's death; A noble sacrifice.
@@ninjakidkat12 I mean did it. Jotaro mostly found that about by himself. Plus even then he did not have anything to stop until he also gained the power to stop time. Hell even with Joseph he could not get the information in time and even he could not even do anything about the stop time. Its like him finding out that dio could stop time meant almost nothing. Second even then with a stand with multiple abilities especially one that is said to reflect or in your case not dodgeable him going out like that with almost no damage done to dio with just simple timestop seems more not ceremony worthy. At least to me anyway
@@keodiozubu8670 If Kakyoin didn't find out about TW's ability and didn't leave his dying message for Joseph to understand, Jotaro would most likely have stepped into Dio's range when Joseph and Dio fell from the rooftops. Joseph yelling about him having to keep his distance kept Jotaro from doing so and ultimately saved Jotaro from being able to be killed in the same timestop Dio "killed" Joseph in. If Joseph didn't have that information beforehand, the fight would've ended then and there. It's funny that you describe timestop as being "simple" despite how absolutely broken it is. It's absolutely feasible that Kakyoin, who didn't know of the ability at that point, wouldn't be able to actually hurt Dio. In fact, the fact that he managed to get close to harming Dio is noteworthy on it's own. Hol Horse's attempted betrayal has shown just how terrifying timestop can be if you have no way to counter it, which has only been done by Jotaro armed with the information of TW's ability plus SP being basically the same Stand. And some rats for some reason. Jotaro is the main character; Of course he'd get the privilege of actually playing Dio at his own game and harming him. If you don't know someone has a timestop ability and/or you have no way to get around the problem, the enemy can just stop time, move out of harm's way and kick you in the balls in the meantime, which is what Dio did. Kakyoin getting the information was really the best he could do and like I said earlier ultimately saved Jotaro's life. It's faithful to what Dio has shown to be capable of while also giving Kakyoin a bit of spotlight, even if it did kill him.
@@ninjakidkat12 That's sorta of a stretch. Cuz the only thing preventing Jotaro from staying back is Joseph saying stand back. Jotaro could have stopped for minute or two just process what happened or Joseph could have figured it out himself and it would have the same affect. Also freaking polnaerf got a stab in and that was close range granted by surprise but still. Also being simple does mean it cant be broken( ots a non point but still). Kakyoin stand had many abilities at his disposal and he could do his from long range. How come he did not even get in one hit in why polnaerf got at least a good stab? His main contribution to the whole fight just seems( my opinion by the way) to relying information that either he could not beat, Jotaro beat by himself and mostly figured out by himself and to Joseph saying at that exact time stay back which could have been without that.
“Fugo is the calm collective guy” Ah yes the guy who has one of the most deadliest and aggressive stands in the part which by the way, stands are literally manifestations of one’s innermost self is the most chill guy.
I mean considering he only gets used once despite being arguably the strongest of the group doesn't help. Purple Haze is a horrific Stand, though. Although LA Squadra has a lot of disturbing Stands. Like the worst one, beach boy, wielded by pineapple head
The foundation of One Piece is the dreams never die, but yet people constantly keep shitting on One Piece even though it’s objectively the best Shonen/Shonen Jump series of all time.
@@okami9039 , it has the best themes of family members are your family regardless if they’re biologically related to you or not; it has the best themes of dreams never dying; Zoro and Mihawk are more badass stoic than Jotaro; it has the best themes of not all Pirates are evil, and not all Marnies are good; Fishmen Island Arc was able to do themes of civil rights without it being propaganda, and it showed a none biased historically accurate version of the civil right movements, and Zoro from One Piece is the best character of all time.
Let me quote someone who described Giorno "He's calm and cool" -Cosmonaut Variety Hour Cosmo literally says Giorno has no character traits then proceeds to contradict himself in less then 30 seconds by saying he's calm and cool. How he has the amount of subscribers he does baffles me.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr but it’s too long for a average weeb. Just saying. I can’t call it the best when I can’t even watch the entire series since it’s too long and too much
Ah, yes. Polnareff. The cowardly man who went nuts leaving France to avenge his sister, facing someone who called himself a god head-on with zero shits given. The funny coward who hunted down the Pink Godfather Barbie Doll that turned him into a paralytic and had the strength and determination to latch onto another soul just to make sure Pink Godfather Barbie is defeated. Funny coward indeed. Very cowardly.
It’s a pretty odd critique to call someone a coward when their actions throughout the whole series contradicts that statement. For Dragon Ball fans, it’s like calling Goku a lazy cowardly fighter who always wins a battle because he’s the main character who never made a single mistake in the entire series.
@@JustADemon2023 Its just a horrible take. Even in his first battle polnareff is overly cocky and smug to the point it ends up costing him the battle. As he burns to death he refuses to use the knife avdol gave him to try and stab him in the back and chooses to burn to death with dignity. Avdol even blatantly states that polnareffs sense of honor overrode the commands of DIO's fleshbud. He almost gets Avdol killed because he underestimates his Hol horse and wont back down. Cosmonaut has been a bad take machine over the past few years imo.
“I’ll kill you if you approach me” “You hired the man who assaulted and killed my sister, and your lackey killed two of my friends, I will stop at nothing you slaughter you DIO.”
Not gonna lie. When he pointed Fugo, FUCKING FUGO, as "cool and calm" guy, I literally stopped the video and LAUGH. Cool and calm, Fugo. The guy with LITERALLY ANGRY ISSUES! Did he really watched the show, what the hell?! 😂😂
The guy who stabbed his friend with a fucking fork, bashed in a prof with a book, and has a stand that embodies pure rage and destruction is a cool calm guy? Was cosmo reading a different manga?
yes, because his stand isn't one of the most dangerous, and "blast radius" stands in the entire series due to it being a personification of one of his most defining character traits - which is his deep seeded, and extraordinarily violent anger issues and a tendency towards violence just in general. yes, very calm and cool
"Part 1 isn't that memorable", but it's only 44 chapters/9 episodes and people remember Kono Dio Da, Danny's death, Dio rejecting his humanity, Speedwagon's abs, Sunlight Yellow Overdrive, Zeppeli's sacrifice, Dio making a mother eat her own baby, Thunder Cross Split Attack, and Jonathan's death. One could argue it's the most memorable since there is so little of it.
@@ChadBenjamin I don't think anyone cared about danny,dio making a mother eat her own baby, and thunder cross split attack and kono dio are just remembered as memes nothing else. At least that's what I think
Honestly, his initial takes were ehh to me, but calling Speedwagon, a character with no powers who risked his life time and time again against supernatural threats to help the man he owed his life to, and his descendants, funny and cowardly, crossed the line.
for the cosmo fans that say you dont have to bring up arguments for not liking something. We know, but cosmo`s video was literally about bringing up arguments for not liking something and most of his arguments were A) his fault for not paying attention or not approaching the series in a good way or B) just false and put there for content
@@IsGrouse like who?? Name them. Because you’re wrong, Also. If THATS the only thing you got from Cosmonaut’s video, that means he really did a shitty job
introverted character: - exists - some ppl: edgy, emotionally unavailable, sketchy, little empathy because they dont have over the top reactions, must be secretly evil/abusive or some sht because theyre not super easy to read and that gives me bad vibes reee
Jotaro is edgy whether you like it or not. Insulting everyone you meet including your own mom for no reason isn't an introverted attitude, it's just being a dick.
Cosmonaut really comes across as that type of guy that feeds into the internet contrarian stereotype: the guy that goes against the popular consensus just to get views, but when people makes arguments against him, he pulls the whole “it’s just my opinion, guys.”
One of the many you tubers I can’t stand much like ihe and pewdiepie. He uses the phrase JuStMyOpInIoN as a blank term for him just to get views and not any actual criticism because the loves circlejerk everything
An opinion would be like: “I really like this character and wasn’t a fan with how he was handled” Cosmonaut opinion be like: “Araki is a terrible writer, here are 10 instances that prove this notion to convince you, no one should like this ever again, but just my opinion jk.
"part 6 had nothing memorable" Okay that's how you KNOW he's lying. Love it or hate it, stone ocean was full of memorable moments, if for no other reason than how utterly bizarre they are (pun fully intended)
Stone Ocean is literally the most experimental JoJo ever got You can make a case that part 7 and 8 might be weirder, but come one.. How often do you see anything similar to the ending of part 6?
I wasn't really forced into watching Jojo, but did it for the memes and shit. Now, I'm way too invested and I enjoyed each part. It's just so good imo.
Yeah JoJo don't take itself serious. Is that kind of anime/manga that you read/watch just to relax and pass your time If you read JoJo with the mindeset of being critical about every little thing, you will never enjoy it
@@lain5858 having that mindset when watching ANYTHING will make you hate it. I guarantee that you could watch some of your favorite childhood movies with said mindset and you will think they are shit. I used to do this and it basically made me hate every movie I watched or game I played. Definitely don't recommend.
@@noiwontsignyourarmpit5263 Sadly most people are like this right now Even more when you "look cool" hating on popular stories that other people enjoy And let's face It, the perfect story *don't exist* you will always find flaws and like you said you will end up never enjoying anything in your life
@@lain5858 Thats how I roped in friends. Told them about jojo and just eased them into it. I let them just find their love for it. No screaming at them everyday, rather just a few times and leaving them be.
Same thing happened to me. Legit binged the show in 2 weeks and read parts six and Seven online. Now I’m buying all the manga and planning to get a bunch of figures
“Jotaro has no emotion” But then Jotaro puts himself in mortal danger to save his mom and goes apeshit when DIO kills Joseph. No emotion my ass. Same goes for Giorno
Nonono I dont like this dude but I will give him a pass on that comment if he only watched the anime cause they did jotaro dirty in the anime version for he did not exactly have the most amount of emotion like the manga I understand why he acted the way he did in the anime I respect but its sad we did not get to see him smile more or have more reactions in the anime
If Jotaro had no emotions he would not save his mother in the first place. Because he would not *feel compassion* enough for her and would not *feel guilty* in leting her die People without emotions are basically psychopaths People should at least have a Basic notion of psychology before trying to analyze characters Or stop counfounding "expression" with "emotions" Yeah Jotaro is not much expressive but he have a Lot of emotions
"Polnareff is a cowardly character" The dude straight up jumps towards DIO almost killing him Cosmotards will say "iT's hIs OpiNiOn" when the dude is straight up making objective statements.
The Cosmonaut fanboys are like those 2015 prank channels who just say "it's just a prank bro" when someone confronts them except they say "it's just an opinion bro" because they can't take any valid criticism
@@whiterunguard6415 Irrelevant. If he said something that is directly contradicted by the show, he is wrong. End of discussion. You can't hide every dumb shit you say behind "it's my opinion". If your opinion can disproven by evidence, or by simply pointing out a fact, then it's a wrong opinion.
Fugos whole character dynamic is hes the calm cool guy archetype that Cosmo describes but he has outbursts of rage so I think Cosmo is right in calling fugo that archetype
@@jericho9642 calm and cool is an archetype in and of itself but Fugo so much more clearly has a Dr Jekyll, Mr Hyde thing going on. You can't be calm and cool but also prone to bursts of anger, those are opposing character traits.
@@Green_Falcon Yeah Purple Haze is the physical embodiment of Fugo's anger and ill temper. Furthermore it shows that Cosmonaut didn't pay attention because the first thing we see Fugo do is lose his temper and strike Narncia for getting a math problem wrong. But he's the "calm" guy...Right... EDIT: 23:30- 23:43 Oh speak of the devil, MangaKamen proved my point.
25:04 - Is he serious? Araki's whole signature writing style is establishing introductory character traits the moment you meet them. THE MOMENT YOU MEET THEM. You see this not just with Giorno, but with everyone -- including Bucciarati, Fugo, Narancia, Mista and Abbaccio. Hell, especially Diavolo, and that's BEFORE you've even seen him. How does that escape this Cosmo guy?
Same guy who confidently says that he didn’t understand the entire plot of Phantom Menace for years and thinks he had the right to criticize the movie, how anyone take this guy seriously, is genuinely surprising
Okay, but fr, nah, Abacchio’s death was not unceremonious. He got caught off guard and killed in an underhanded and brutal way (like how a gang member would kill another gang member), but if he hadn’t succeeded before he died, the entire rest of part 5 would not, could not happen. Abacchio in that scene is single handedly the most important character of part 5.
14:31 to add to that, Avdol even said in DIO’s castle that every man was for themselves if they were to die, but Avdol still went through the trouble of saving Polnereff and Iggy at the cost of his own life. THAT is ceremonious.
And remember: Cosmo said that Polnareff was a coward. If he was truly a coward, he would've fled from Vanilla Ice, instead of killing him to avenge Iggy and Advol.
*Bucciaratti:* we're going to kill the boss, this is a really dangerous quest and we'll probably going to die, I you don't want to come I understand. *Mista:* OK, I'll risk my life for the team *Cosmonaut:* wow, what a cowardly decision *Fugo:* I won't go, I appreciate my life, and don't want to die *Cosmonaut:* that doesn't makes sense, why wouldn't you want to go to a suicide mission, this isn't realistic and good writing 😭😭😭
I'm really impressed that, as someone who hates Giorno, you were able to demonstrate a great understanding of Giorno as a character and describe him in a way that makes him sound really cool.
Giorno has no emotions, he just achieved a powerful stand like a piece of cake unlike jotaro who had to struggle for the time stop power I like part 5 but giorno is not a good charecter
@@justajobro1266 Giorno:cries for Narancias death, griefs for Abaccio and punches Ciocolatta for 30 seconds because he was killing innocents, yep definetly no emotions from this protagonist. And also are you telling me getting the stand arrow was easy? Bruno died for it and they spent like 3 episodes chasing it so that Diavolo woudn't get it.
@@just_a_tarnished4269 it was still very easy compare it to jotaro's struggle for the timestop ability I mean I know he cries and all but I haven't once seen him laugh/do anything it feels like mistas/ buccurati's part that's what makes it feels like no struggle buccurati was the one that took all the pain and suffering it made me feel bad for him and GIRONO broke some bones yes, but that's his ability healing others and himself so it doesn't even matter, atleast you see jotaro smile/ laugh or get angry for once I mean he is the worst in the diverse selections of joestars but he is still a pretty good charecter,take jotaro or Joseph for example the joke sometimes, get pissed off and are inherently fun to watch whereas giorno does absolutely nothing important until the finale even Jonathan was more interesting girono is definitely the most boring joestar and part 5 was only good because the villans and Bruno's gang. Giorno feels like a side charecter in his own part, and thats a big fault
He said Jotaro didn't have any character development which is just a lie. In part 3 Jotaro got annoyed by girls ganging up on him but in part 4 when Tomoko confuses him for Joseph he just calmly explains who he is. That would not have happened in part 3. And this is just a small example. Jotaro by nature is a quiet and reserved person, but theres so many moments of him being empathetic as he got older. I'm pretty sure he just kinda read it just so he could say he read it.
I wouldn't really call Giorno a Gary Stuart. That implies that he doesn't go through a single struggle or adversity Vs. Bruno: Get's pretty much owned for most of the fight until he figures out a way to counter and make up for his short range. Vs. Babyface: his only solo fight and even then he figures out how to counter his enemy in a reasonable way (i.e. using baby face to learn something new about his ability.) Vs. Notorious B.I.G.: Is forced to loose his arm as an attempt to get rid of him as is taken out of commission. Vs. Crush and Talking Head: He was the one who needed the saving in the scenario. Vs. Ghiacco: His powers or completely useless for offense and is brought down as support for Mista. Giorno also has his moments of emotion. Giorno's character is a lot more subtle than other Jojos. His backstory establishes him to be a more introverted character. While he doesn't outright show emotion, His emotions come from his inner thoughts, which we see him display panic and frustration is situations. There even times where does show emotion: - Him quivering and disbelief at Abbachio's death. - His utter despair and disbelief at the reveal that Bruno was basically a zombie on a time limit. - His destain, hatred, and anger towards Ciocolatta. - His despair towards Narancia's death (It's also the first time we see him cry, which given the context of his backstory, holds some significance. It's basically what you said about Jotaro. Although he doesn't show much emotion, it doesn't mean they're not there. As a critique towards Cosmonaut, he complains that him being the son of Jonathan and Dio has no plot relevance when that wasn't the point. It's to contextualize Giorno's character and his morality. He has Jonathan's sense of justice and honor, but has a Dio way of delivering that justice towards his enemies. Giorno is a character that has to be looked deeper into in order to appreciate him. While do understand how his introverted personality can be seen as uninteresting, in my opinion, his subtly as a character is what makes him more interesting. I'm not expecting anyone's mind to be changed. This is just how I feel about him.
The thing that bothers me about some "anti-Jojos" people (I don't mean people that just aren't into it, I mean antis). Is that they don't understand how a show can have a very specific appeal that really draws in certain people. I have friends that don't like JJBA but they ALWAYS say they can totally understand how other people can be really into it. They can see the appeal even though it does nothing for them. Jojos has a unique niche it fills for some people. Going on a Rant about this show feels very out-of-touch to me. It has the same energy as people who would rant about something like Evil Dead or Rocky Horror. It's just not something you can do without missing the point/looking stupid. Also people that forget this JJBA is a property started in the 1980s and 90s irritate me. There are so many interesting cultural things you won't understand if you don't keep the dates in mind.
I think the anti jojo people don't hate the show they just think the fans are annoying also im basing this argument from my friends who hate jojo.They said that the fanbase constantly pushing the series and being in every single music video and saying is this a jojo reference made them hate the show.Im not trying to say the fanbase sucks but in trying to say that theres a minority who put the series in a bad light.Im saying this as a jojo fan
I tried to get my little sis into JoJo and she couldn’t because “it’s just weird” and to me that’s an acceptable answer. Modern anime/manga satirizes the serious, ridiculous, over-the-top nature of the superpowered hero manga subgenre. JoJo is in a very special place where it is both aware of this cliche and celebrates it by making a willing audience member shed the embarrassment they might feel due to its camp. It’s not exactly tongue-in-cheek, but there is never this sense of “If you laugh during serious moment, you’re ruining the mood”. That’s where “Bizarre” comes in. “Bizarre” is an assault on convention and the expected. Things can be life or death and still weird. People can be ruthless killers and have odd quirks (Ghiaccio’s hate-boner for idioms). You can be aware of how trope-y things are but still enjoy it because of the entertainment it gives you. JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure is a series that says “It’s ok to like cool things simply because they’re cool.”
There are two types of people I hate 1. Sees JoJo memes, assumes that's what it's about and claims to love it 2. Sees JoJo memes, assume that's what it's about and claims to hate it
12:54 I like the fact that araki killed off the main characters in his story, it gives the feeling that the cast isn't invincible, despite their victories.
Yeah, I had to shudder at the "Fugo is calm and collected" thing when it's shown that Fugo is quick to anger and becomes murderously psychotic at the drop of a hat. Literally one of the first things we see him do onscreen is go screaming mad and stab Narancia with a fork because he got a math problem wrong
@@aozorahaou2643 Apparently that particular scene was exclusive to a spinoff story but was adapted into the anime. In the actual manga Fugo’s loving grandmother died and that professor refused to allow him to visit her and encouraged him to study instead, causing him to fly into a rage and kill him.
He said he liked it when it was bizarre but it got to points where it wasn’t bizarre and just shit, I do like JoJos and I agree with everything in his review
I was aggravated with his takes at first but calling mista a coward and fugo “too strong” solidified the fact that he didn’t know what he was talking about
@@lennard8066 He never called Fugo weak lol, and you missed the point. The comment was referring to how cosmonaut believed Araki wrote Fugo out was due to Fugo being too strong, despite the fact that most enemy stands before Fugo left could actually counter Fugo's stand.
"Even people who like part 5 agree with me" Giorno is my favourite character, I find him really interesting, with things like the mix of dio and jonathan and never crying because he knows it's useless
@@nighpaw4651 I disagree with him being interesting because he is a mix of Dio and Jonathan. I hate cosmos video as it is BS, but that was the only part i agreed with. IMO Araki could have done a lot more about Giorno being the son of one of the most dangerous stand users on the planet instead of never showing him again after part 5.
@@emeraldwolf3494I've only seens parts of Giorno in Part 5 so I can't give a complete opinion, but from what ive seen in part 5 and EOH he seems decent enough.
Yeah. I'm not someone who unsubscribes to someone for having a different opinion, but with Cosmo, I disagree with his takes on the Raimi Spidey trilogy, Jojo, and TLOU2 because he seems to miss the point of some scenes, characters, or just misinterprets stuff in whatever he's reviewing. This was the problem I had with Dunkey's TLOU2 video where he basically ignored or misinterpreted the valid reasons why fans hated the game.
Isn’t Cosmonaut also the same guy who said that Joel from The Last of Us wasn’t a beloved character?🥴And also thought that people were angry just because they killed him off without even looking into the context of the situation? Which’s that people thought he was killed off in the most contrived and unsatisfying way possible?
Nothing was unsatisfying about Joels death lmao. It had both heavy story and plot significance which is what a good death needs, unlike 80% of deaths in jojo which make absolutely no effect on the plot other than the character is no longer there. This is coming from a big jojo fan.
When Pol stabbed DIO , you need to take in consideration that he thought all the other crusaders are dead , after all Jotaro was playing dead. After taking that into consideration you CANNOT tell me that my boy Pol is a coward
also Polnareff literally went off solo against Diavolo, got his body wrecked and came back for round 2 edit: and he also went against Allessi, AS A 3 YEAR OLD
“Polnareff is a funny coward.” “Fugo: calm and cool guy.” “Mista: funny coward.” “Narancia: funny coward.” And this is not the first or last time he’s doing it. Just take a gander at what he describes Sokka from Avatar on Twitter. “Sokka’s only character arc is that he shouldn’t be a sexist.” The backlash from his comment has him say “it’s just a joke guys!” Glad to see that this pretentious caustic contrarian hack is at it again.
@@gereniccc4487 Not really, at least after the Kyoshi Warriors where he learns about people who he once believed to be weak are not, and are in fact way stronger then him. Sokka's character is more or less learning he's not the biggest fish in the ocean and has a lot to learn. Like for instance him learning swordsmanship because of how he feels himself to be useless when in fact he's not.
@@shirothr5384 And growing into a good leader and tactician hell we've seen this in The Day of Black Sun where he fumbled a speech and Aang told him he'll prove himself on the battlefield which he did and we loved every moment of it as Sokka truly grew into a leader his parents and Katara will be proud off
He comes off as insufferable for sure! what’s funny is that for a guy who claims to love films and other media, he’s the last person you’d wanna sit down and talk with cause he’s so pretentious and condescending aka a giant asshole who isn’t even that informed when it comes to this kind of stuff
As soon as Cosmo tried to label Fugo as a Cool and Calm character, I immediately knew he didn’t know what the fuck he was talking about. The character that was depicted with such extreme anger issues that his Stand is uncontrollable. Yeah okay, buddy.
The dude who literally stabbed his friend he was tutoring in the face with a fork because narancia is such a dumby when it comes to any kinda educational intelligence
I've always hated how people say giorno has no character traits. just because he's very stoic, calm (mostly), and quiet doesn't mean he has no character traits, you just gotta actually pay attention to him
Jojo is my favorite fictional series, but honestly JoJo character writing isn't super strong. Not bad, mind you, but not strong. If you made it to part 5, you lose all right to complain about Giorno being flat in my opinion. Not like any jojo that came before him is the writing equivalent of getting your first blowjob.
“the deaths were unceremonious” yeah because THATS HOW DEATH IS. my best friend was hanging out in her living room one day when her dad started groaning in the other room. ten minutes later, he was dead. no last words, no dramatic goodbye, he just died right in her arms. that’s what makes araki’s writing so impactful, because it doesn’t pander to the audience’s need for closure. Grief is painful and unexpected and raw; you sometimes don’t get to say “i love you” or even “i’m sorry” before that person is gone, and i think deaths like caesar and narancia really encapsulate that feeling. they leave people behind (joseph and fugo) who have to live with the burden of words left unsaid. God i hate how reductive cosmo’s language is, he fundamentally misunderstands the story but preaches to his hundreds of thousands of viewers like his words are the truth.
Even then I wouldn't use the word unceremonious. We do get a send off for every character that dies. Be it their Ghost visiting the surviving companion, the narrator giving a speech, or something else. Like Narancia had the most "unceremonious" death. But the entire story took a quick break to acknowledge his death. The anime even added that scene with Fugo. The only death that I consider completely unceremonious happens in Part 7.
In the real world, death is mostly unceremonious. It's usually cruel, brutal and it happens out of nowhere. I'm glad Araki choose to end his beloved characters this way because it gives a more heavy gut punch. It is why I believe Narancia's death is the saddest of the anime series.
What makes Narancia’s death sadder is that it happened right when he was fantasizing about going back home and actually starting a normal life by going to school. But nope-he gets impaled on a fence instead.
@@blobofmeatwhoexist8460 ah shit, the one kid Gyro tries to save or somethin? I honestly forgot some details in part 7 but good golly, my heart sank when I read that.
The Part 5 death scenes were unceremonial? Maybe they died out of nowhere, but that’s just to show how secretive Diavolo acts and even kills. The scenes after their deaths with Abbacchio in the afterlife and the group realizing Narancia‘s fate are some of the saddest imo
To be fair though, Jojos fans also can’t take criticism. Any time I’ve told a Jojos fan that I didn’t enjoy Jojos they try to explain to me why I’m wrong.
11:46 “They don’t have character arcs, they just have gradual changes in their personality over time as a result of external and internal driving forces.” *Dude literally describes a character arc saying they don’t have one.* smh
@@christophersamueldearlysih262It's not an arc if there isn't a core character issue being addressed, and it needs an ending to it as well. Character development ≠ Character arc.
As someone who did really enjoy Giorno's character, I appreciate you defending him despite not liking him. I understand why other people may not like him, and maybe my opinion will change once I read the manga (I just started Phantom Blood a few days ago) but your ability to summarize and defend who his character is despite not enjoying it that much really shows that you understood the story that was trying to be told, unlike how Cosmonaut would misrepresent characters like calling Fugo calm and cool. Overall this video put a lot of things into words that I'd felt when first watching Cosmonaut's video and it was done in a very entertaining manner. I also really like that you said it's alright for people to not like JoJo since it is quite a strange show to get into. Lots of your arguments had plenty of evidence and sources, plus it was all delivered in quite an entertaining format. Basically what my 3am brain is trying to say is good video, I really enjoyed it. I'm excited to watch more videos from you :D (also props to Kaiser for the editing and little commentary moments, I really enjoyed those as well).
Dude, Giorno is my favorite JoJo and this MangaKamen’s analysis is SPOT ON. He REALLY understands the character and the part, yet he can openly state he doesn’t like them, and that’s a really respectable attribute to him
@@flamingdoge6242 Giorno is my least favourite Jojo, and I completely agree with the defence of his character despite initially agreeing with Cosmo's take on him.
@@flamingdoge6242 SAME As someone who also loves Giorno, I thank you and OP for putting this into words when I was too shy to do so Really love how MangaKamen defended him besides not liking him, because not liking a character doesn’t mean you don’t understand them and their role in the story. I was really happy to see that understanding coming from him
I feel kinda strange towards Giorno , I dislike his character and he’s my second least favourite Jojo but I can talk about how well written he is and how well he ties into part 5’s narrative themes for 8 hours .
it's funny that cosmonaut loves part 4 and hates part 5, even though 4 is *slightly* longer than 5 (in the manga). and in the anime they have the exact same number of episodes **facepalm**
My one complaint here: Kakyoin is NOT cardboard. If you pay attention to him at ALL, you would know this. It’s just he doesn’t really get a backstory at all until the episode where he DIES. Kakyoin legit grew as a character throughout the adventure. This was blatantly reflected during the T D'arby fight.
THANK YOU!!! I love kakyoin so much and to see people call him that makes my eyes roll into my head. Everyone has their own opinion but it's really just oversight.
People like him for the wrong reasons. They like him because he likes milfs and licks cherries, but not because he was a lonely introvert who's only friend was one that nobody else could see, but he finally found friends who truly understand him.
THIS THO Not only the T D’Arby fight was amazing regarding that, but I loved seeing Kakyoin’s time to shine against Death 13. He was basically alone when no one else trusted him, and the way he had to overcome those challenges on his own to me was triumphant
@@lucinavonnolaran8728 4 is literally a well known “curse” in japan. They take it out of hotels normally and skip over the number 4 because the way they say 4 is close to the way they say death. Mista is paranoid of this and I’m pretty sure he even made a reference to this while talking about his dislike for the number during the cake scene. Just because someone is paranoid over something DOESNT mean they’re cowardly. Especially when the character literally risks his life not once, not twice, BUT ON THREE DIFFERENT EVENTS (Train scene, Helicopter scene, and the stand fight where HES shooting bullets while the bullets warn him he will possibly die.) those are not the traits of a cowardly person and if you think it is then maybe you should look up a definition of cowardly.
Cosmonaut seems like the guy who would take "Araki forgot" seriously. This guy is a joke. I remember watching his essay on Sam Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy, and I *despised* his many poor takes on the matter. Well, what do you know? Years later he's back and oh boy is it even worse this time around!
People keep talking about his Raimi Spiderman Trilogy video as like all of his points were actually serious. He’s said multiple times that most of “criticisms” were just for fun. When he ranked every super hero movie he put Spiderman 2 as one of the best. “I love this video. This is such a well-spoken and constructive response, and I appreciate you acknowledged that most of my video was just for funsies. Maaaaybe I'll reconsider how I feel about Aunt May having heard your side. But MJ is still the worst.” Cosmonaut literally said that 5 years ago on a video responding to his.
@@DrJareld. I just hope he decided that during the process of creating the video not AFTER the fact that he got absolutely criticized for what he spoke about. Cause I'll be honest none of his content inspires trust from me and i couldn't give him the benefit of the doubt that he aint just back peddling to do damage control.
@@thatmagelad8539 yeah, but it's long and when someone calls a 48 episode anime "long" when he has caught up with the 999+ episode One piece, there is a problem.
Cosmo comes off as the type that likes to hate what ever is popular and give very surface level statements or completely misrepresent or misinform the viewer. Watching this had me think “Did this dude watch the same show that I did?” and calling characters “cowards” when they almost literally get themselves killed for the main goal or protagonist had me cringing so hard
A guy who hates DC films but loves MCU, even Captain Marvel, which is mid according to fans. Label people dumb for not liking TLOU2 and She-Hulk series. Yeaaahh, this guy is one of those people if you know.
@@Grf1556bro, he literally has said that the MCU is kinda mid, and a lotta the movies mid or bad. He has entire sections of videos dedicated to talking about the bad movies.
The deaths in golden wind were actually my “favorite” not that I enjoyed people dying but it showed how people, even people close to the main character can die without a moments notice when out is such dangerous situations, there was not time to prepare, no time to even try to save them, it just happened and no matter how strong the protagonist is, he can’t save everyone
My favorite death is Shigechi. Not because I hated the crotch goblin. It showed Kira perfectly, hence why he’s my favorite villain. He’s human. It also shows that it could’ve been easily avoidable. Shigechi was the most hard hitting death because it shows that no one besides the main characters know he’s gone. It rings too close to reality of kids who go missing and their parents don’t know what happened to them. Plus his death gave them a head-start to Kira at that point
@@crackerjack0349 I agree and Kayoin was pretty similar as well, I like the way all the deaths in jojos were implemented, even Avdols, its just that the deaths in part 5 were main characters, you knew some might die but you never saw it coming, especially not Narancia but yeah, while Kira isnt the strongest, he is the best villain
He complains about Diavolo/Doppio being introduced so late but Kira was the same. He was introduced halfway into part 4 but was hinted at as many times as Diavolo.
and even then, the boss was built up from the beginning of part 5, whereas kira in the manga came from left field, they fixed it in the anime by adding a lot of hints
I legit don’t understand how this guy thinks the fights in part 3 suck. Is it because they aren’t throwing continents at each other and blowing up solar systems like in other anime?
The best "fight" in part 3 is the poker game imho. Sure, Jotaro's bluff is strong, but how he make Darby lost his cool is very meticulous and carefully planned.
imo some of the fights in the first half weren’t the best, but in egypt they were awesome. N’Doul, the darby brothers, Pet Shop and Anubis come to mind
@@paulmajano I honestly liked what they did with Mandarin before the whole “gotcha” moment at the middle of the movie. It could have been a clever revitalization of the character and would have driven the theme of Tony being Iron Man without the suit by using his smarts instead. It’s still sad that the best version of the Mandarin outside of comics is the version from Armored Adventures where he’s basically a Tokusatsu villain.
@@kingbash6466 you know why they did that with the mandarin? It’s because the mandarin is Chinese, Disney can’t have a villain that’s Chinese because that will upset their Chinese overlords.
I personally find Cosmo's videos to be kind of surface level. Like he never really analyses or criticises them on a deeper level but it probably stems from the fact that I don't enjoy the way he presents his content or humour that much either
I hated Cosmo's videos on TLU2, Jojo, Watchmen HBO, and his takes Star Wars. He not only does shallow takes at best...he fundamentally doesn't understand why people don't like or like something. I want to say he misrepresents arguments, but I can't. He just doesn't seem to get any other viewpoint than his own...and even his own is underdeveloped.
Cosmonaut: Fugo is the calm cool guy Fugo's whole backstory and reason for joining the gang is that his uncontrollable rage led to him killing his teacher. He stabs Narancia with a fork for getting a maths question wrong.
So if Jotaro didn't have feelings why would he: 1) Go to a long trip to save his mother 2) lose his shit when DIO drank all of Joseph's blood 3) literally almost cry when Polnareff left (That's how I saw it) 4) mentor and care for Josuke and his friends 5) leaving his wife and daughter just to protect them from other stand users hunting him 6) choosing to save Jolyne over saving the world How dafuq did Cosmanaut miss this (oh yeah he didn't care) Oh and nice video Manga
@@danielshore1457 yeah exactly and also when the Crusaders are making fun of wheel of fortune he was smiling and when they realized where the user of The Sun is hiding he laughed
This is always the case with characters that are, for the most part, reserved or stoic. Kiryu from Yakuza has the same reputation by pseudo-fans. "He never smiles!" or "He's an emotional blank-slate!". No. He and Jotaro are simply the same type of character - morally just, but emotionally reserved. They express their emotions when it truly matters, not just all the time like others.
He literally went “grandad said to run but fuck that this asshole killed him and my friends, I am too pissed to let him get away” Is he blunt, rude, and prone to violence? Yes, but he cares about the people around him. The ENTIRE REASON he let himself get arrested at the very beginning was to keep his stand from hurting people at random.
Then it would just ruin the whole stakes if the hero is stronger than the villain, I mean in BlazBlue imagine if Ragna was just stronger than Terumi/Susano'o in the first game? It would just ruin the whole plot on how Terumi and the villains are unbeatable villains until the third game. Also another example imagine Goku beating Frieza without much effort like Rey did with Ren, it would suck like balls since the whole Frieza fight raised the stakes so much that during its time you have no idea what was going to happen. I mean Hellsing Ultimate and One Punch Man are the only ones that work because the plot and the characters make the story more interesting I mean I love Saitama but the guy is kinda meh and the characters and the setting really works with it.
He defended the Last Jedi, but dislike the Rise of Skywalker. In his Star Wars megareview, he did mentioned the flaws of the Last Jedi, and the Rise of Skywalker really soured his taste for the sequel trilogy.
Narancia’s death was necessary tho. It showed that Diavolo was done playing around now that the arrow was in his reach. And he was going to use literally whatever means was necessary to do that. And Narancia unfortunately had the means to possibly track him down.
the most iconic and instant way to understand jotaro's character is how he acts cold to his own mother and tells her to stop kissing him, but the one time she doesnt kiss him in the morning he instantly recognizes that something is wrong and rushes to check on her
He definitely really cares about her. He just acts like a delinquent
Some people just can't figure things out unfortunately
As other people have said, that doesn’t really make him an less shallow.
Then again, only a handful of characters in jojo are actually decent. The rest have multi-personality disorder (like the villains of part 4 becoming completely different after getting beaten).
Jotaro's character, in the anime at least, is mostly told through subtext. And not easy to read subtext either. So I can see how someone who isn't too into analysing stories misses it for him
@@AQ47434 He was caring from the start, the first thing he did on screen was put himself in jail because he saw the "evil spirit" as a danger to people, when his mom got sick he went on a life threatening journey so she can recover , Jotaro doesnt show a lot of emotions but that doesn't mean he lacks them.
The funny cowardly character didnt try to run from TWO main villains
He fucking blew his nose on the curtains of one of them
@@dragonheart1236 he's literally one of the bravest characters.
The funny cowardly character was ready to die for a dog too.
@@XIUnicron and in what category would iggy fall into?
@@Misto8990... Idk
"You can say that many JoJo characters are funny cowards"
Dude I really don't think most of the JoJo cast even knows what self-preservation *is.*
Especially Zeppelis and Jonathan
Except Fugo
You “can” say it, he’s not wrong about THAT. It’s just if you do, you’re actually an idiot. And I actually don’t hate Cosmo I’m subscribed :/
Legit every cited "funny coward" is literally less cautious then the main characters
and it gets worse as parts go on, Jolyne literally poured gas in her and lit herself on fire so she wouldn't die to hyporthermia microbes, Johnny played angry birds with himself and let a fucking horse kick him in the gut so he could get more height, Gappy is the smartest character in this franchise and has the most self preservation yet he still throws himself into the enemy's stand ability in like every fight (might be a low blow since you can't really predict what the fuck the next character is pulling out of their gaping asshole)
1. Encounter supernaturally horrifying situations
2. Experience stress and anxiety
3. Be defined as a "coward"
4: Literally ride or die as all hell
5: Will go solo in a fucking 1v2 so he doesn't risk his teammate's lives even if the fight is stacked against him
6: Actively prioritises other's lives over his own
7: Most cowardly character, apparantly
Fugo: *stabs Narancia with a fork over a math question*
Cosmonaut: "cAlM cOoL gUy"
Polnareff: *literally would rather die than run away from DIO*
Cosmonaut: "fUnNy CoWaRd"
Also Polnareff: *Still charges at Dio from behind despite still not knowing Dio’s stand ability*
That “Funny coward” title belongs to Zenitsu (awaken)
@@fr0ck360 Yeah I can’t wait til demon slayer gets more seasons his character gets so much better than what the fanbase has summed him up as .
What does what you said even mean
@@SkeebzGamez during the video cosmo says that fugo is calm and collected which
umm
NO
just no
and then says that polnareff is a "funny coward" when he constantly shows his bravery and wit in the anime (you could call him a funny hothead because he IS kinda bad at measuring the risks of the battle he's taking but also he almost never backs away from a fight except for when kakyoin literally forced him to during the hol horse battle)
@@SkeebzGamez You can't say Jack! You're just as, if not, even more confusing than the original poster.
Mista jumps out the top window of a building to save Bruno, such cowardly action.
Yes anyone not a coward wouldve just stayed inside and let his friend die obviously smh🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Yup its so coward a fucking 10 year old could do it smh
@@Domestic_Abuse Dude, he was sarcastic.
@@ChiefMedicPururu i am Being sarcastic who tf uses smh seriously its 2021
@@Domestic_Abuse I've seen cases like that, tho.
‘It’s not what the powers are, it’s how you use them’
THIS
THIS IS LITERALLY ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT MAKES JJBA GOOD
Kakyoin signature move its litteraly just throwing rocks but it still looks cool
@@Ashelybee Part 3 was when stands were first introduced and were all mainly combat oriented. Part 4 is when Araki gets much more creative with them
@@cnvrgnt Part 2 and 4 are my favourites.
Part 2 is just so damn wacky. Like, the scope of things in that part, where we went from an evil vampiric adopted brother to 3 immortal ancient gods of fitness is what makes it so.. JoJo, you know? I also loved how we get to explore more on Hamon, especially in the hands of one that had had more time in perfecting it
Part 4 I feel like is where Araki really started to improve as a writer. The many different, yet clever uses of Stands here is a breath of fresh air compared to Part 3, where almost all Stands are the same in that they're primarily used for combat. It should also go without saying that Kira, in my opinion, is one of the best villains in fiction, ever
I mean look at sticky fingers.
It's only ability is making zippers appear out of nowhere but bruno uses it in interesting ways
@@stuckerfan2563 Cream Starter was inspired by shaving cream, but Hot Pants puts it to good use.
Ah yes, Fugo the calm and cool guy, he's definitely one of my favorite characters alongside Diavolo the kind-hearted and outgoing family man,
Okuyasu the highly intelligent and introverted physicist, and Jonathan who's the reincarnation of Satan himself.
Can't forget Dio, the amazing gentleman and master lawyer
And Johnny, the confident non-amputee who is middling at being a horse jockey, and Funny Valentine a great president that is not like any US president at all.
Or Yasuho the selfish person who abandoned buried Josuke and her boyfriend Joshu, the social expert keen on propriety.
@@iantaakalla8180 or jolyne, the evil lawyer that never got caught doing a crime ever. Nope. Ah man i loved that part in part 1 when Johnathan set a ship on fire and tried to kill his wife and son... Good times.
There's also Kars and his three comrades who died valiantly while trying to prevent Joseph from becoming the ultimate life form and threatening all life as they knew it
We also have Jotaro who is very respectful to his mother and shows mercy to enemies. Josuke who is cool with people insulting his hair. Kira the kind hearted and extroverted man who helps people with their problems. Bucciarati the bad leader who doesn't care about his gang. Abbacchio is such a good friend to Giorno who gets along with him since the first episode.
How is mista a funny coward when his origin story is literally him getting into a gun fight in order to save a woman? It’s like he didn’t even watch/read this stuff
Mista is full of resolve,he shot himself like 20 time to win
Yeah, jump into saving women getting raped by 4 armed men is literally a cowardice action by cosmonaut standard
Bro can't belive Guido "I save a woman for terrible situation" Mista is a Funny coward 😭👊
@@vovabars1234 Mista the Juggernaut confirmed?
He wasn't the funny coward
The whole thing about Diavolo’s story is that he’s a mystery. He’s a guy who doesn’t want his identity revealed at all costs, so much so that he can conjure up a separate identity that is unaware of his real connection with his boss. I think it’s really fitting that we have to wait until the very end to see what the guy looks like. He has such a hard time revealing his identity that, when we first see him in Venice, he has to hide in robes, in the the darkest corner of the room, because of the slightest chance that someone may see him, it’ll be hard to make out what he looks like.
Funnily enough before the part 5 anime people said diavolo was the worst villain because you barely knew him, even though that was the whole point of his character. Speedreaders/watchers are a special case.
I don't understand how Diavolo being introduced halfway into the story was a problem for him when the exact same thing happened with Kira. I feel like Diavolo had much more of a prescence than Kira did before they were properly introduced.
@@melancholygirl7793 He’s even teased near the beginning! When Giorno and Bruno are planning on taking over the Mafia, we see that there’s a boss in charge of everything, so at that point we could all guess that guy will probably have to be the final threat they need to deal with. At that point in the story, they need to focus on getting Giorno into the mafia and rising up the ranks.
@@rogerpuzzitiello5175 Yeah, exactly! Kira's prescence in the manga was one line you could interpret to foreshadow him. While his prescence in the the anime kind of reinforces that one line.
@@melancholygirl7793 The reason that Diavolo's late appearance is a problem and Kira's is not is because Kira receives tons of development/characterisation during the course of the story, and Diavolo does not. I shouldn't have to explain anything else beyond this.
Josuke’s grandpa is so forgotten that even the Great Days opening didn’t include him in it
Yeah, even David Pro forgot about him, sad :(
The reason Josuke's grandpa wasn't in the Great Days opening is because his death was avenged the same episode he died.
All the dead characters in the opening had deaths caused by Kira (except Okuyasu's Brother) in which Josuke tried his best to avenge their deaths.
@@takethel2808 Oh yeah
@@takethel2808 Keicho also was avenged. But then again, David Pro could include him because Okuyasu saw him in the final arc.
I saw his stand tho
He didn't read/watch JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, he read/watched Joojoo's Ordinary Journey😭
Lol lmao
Ronalds ridiculous road trip
JayJay's Peculiar Trip
He watched JayJay's Peculiar Trip
Gogo's Unusual Travels
I think the most agregious misrepresentation to me, is saying Fugo is the "calm cool guy." His entire stand is based around how he's ANGRY all the time. It literally shoves that he's not calm in your face by saying "his stand is a manifestation of his anger."
The guy literally bashes his professor's head in with a textbook
Yes, because stabbing a teenager with a fork over a math equation is calm.
I wouldn't say Fugo is really calm or angry all the time, more he's one or the other and has no in-between phase, just like how Purple Haze was described when it first appeared.
@@grimms8783 as a kid he was rised as a puppet and told to follow the lines all the time unable to voice his own opinions or thoughts keeping his emotions down one of his prime emoitons that was Sealed away and grew the most was anger and rage towards his parents teacher and role place on him sexual harassment and possible rape are good contributes
Wait, a minute, why 'Vard is here? ;)
I love how Cosmonaut said that he won't read part 7 because his taste for Shounen has stopped developing but part 7 is the moment when the series stopped being shounen
Imo for some weird reason part 5 didn’t feel shounen while the others did
Part 7 was said to be the best part tho
I get watching the first parts and deciding that the show isn't for you, hell I can even kind of understand part skipping...but sticking with it all the way through only to stop *specifically* at Part 7? That should be classified as some kind of crime.
i care to disagree
@@dubbie7879 and why is that? Like it's not really a matter of opinion. Jojo part 7 (and subsequent part 8) are both seinen which means a certain demographic not genre.
Unless you are talking about the above commentor then he is just joking because really, sticking 6 parts just to stop at one of the most praised parts?
I also wanna point out that Cosmo got mad at the fact that some parts of the show were too weird when he's watching a show with bizarre in the title.
Lol.
Right? It's not Jojo's Totally Normal Day Out.
yeah its bizzare so it being to wierd is fine your fucking idoit
No offense to him but there are series that are *way* weirder than Jojo
Cosmo is also quoted regarding Star Wars "Sometimes you just need to accept the dumb stuff". But somehow he can't do that with JoJos? He's a huge hypocrite
"The deaths are unceremonious"
Well it's not like everyone has some energy left to deliver a speech that lasts half a whole episode in their dying breath.
Hell Whamu had a great one.
He had a great talk with with Joseph about the honor of a great warrior and that Joseph earned his respect
Literally only Avdol has an unceremonious death in Part 3. He gets erased by Vanilla Ice and Cream. Iggy gets a dramatic sacrifice to save Polnareff, and Kakyoin gets to take his last moment of living thought to warn Joseph about DIO's Stand after deducing it *as he is dying*
Past part 3? Shigechi gets an insanely dramatic death at Kira's hands, Aya gets a horrific death from him as well. And Kira's own death is incredibly dramatic.
why would you want a grand death everytime. A fast quick silent one shows you how dire the situation is and in tern makes it feel more real. Sorry anime fans, people don't get final speeches in real life ☠
@@ShrimpRice that's why we have Avdol's death. I like it cause its quick and we get a nice little sendoff
@@ShrimpRice That's why the more I see of the "dying characters needs to have last speech" trope, the more I get tired of it. I heard Cosmonaut is a One Piece fan right? Love that series but when I look back at it, it was tropey like *SPOILER and UNPOPULAR OPINION ALERT* looking back at Ace's death I got bored rewatching it because of how his final words is dragged out for a whole episode. Like is he really dying after getting a MAGMA donut from Akainu? And aren't they in a middle of a war? Some enemy should be striking them at one point.
“Polnareff is a coward”
Meanwhile polnareff:
“Im coming with you guys to get revenge on the man who brutally murdered my sister”
FuNNy CoWaRd
My reaction when he said Polnareff is a funny coward: 16:25
He also killed vanilla ice who is one of the most powerful stand users in part 3
I wouldn't call Polnareff a coward either. He constantly saw and experienced how life threatening the journey was, but instead of noping out, hiding in a remote place and hoping that Dio won't find him, he kept on going, even after he avenged his sister.
You do realize that a character can still fit the very general mold of an archetype while having moments where he’s not in that mold right? Holy shit jojo fans are the fucking worst
“The funny cowardly character”
Polnareff vs Diavolo: now hang on a minut-
Not to mention Vanilla Ice
He's the only French man who isn't a coward
I think the most outrageous part was putting Narancia in that category, he's literally the most impulsive hot headed and deadly member of the team.
@@ricardomiles2957 lmaoo deadass Narancia was the dude who initiated jumping that guy with abbachio and mista. Yeah very cowardly to jump a guy because you spilled wine on him
Narancia also CUT HIS OWN TONGUE. If that isn't a coward move, I don't know what is.
Cosmo: "Calm Cool Guy Fugo"
Dumbledore: "I'm so proud of him"
"How many times do I have to keep teaching you this lesson?", Fugo asked calmly.
Purple haze: “GRAAAGGGGHHHH!!! GEEERRGHHH!!”
It cried out calmly
I actually love how unceremonious the deaths are in part 5. it makes them feel real. real people don't typically die ceremoniously. they just die. abbachio and narancia were the only two deaths I actually cried over throughout the entire series, mostly due to the other characters reactions (specifically how they grieved for abbachio).
Exactly, they wouldn't have as much of an impact if they had a 5 minute speech talking about how dying. They were there and they were gone, just like real people and that makes them more meaningful
honestly, I loved Abbachio's death because for the first time since king crimsons introduction, we don't see what happens in the time skip. one frame, everything it fine. the next, theres a fist through abbachio's chest and he's bleeding out. it's horrifying and shocking, and i had to rewatch the scene a few times just to realise what happened.
For real. I find it hard to rewatch Abbacchio's death bc Narancia's mourning just hit too hard for me
@@martinaelyse9152 Wanna make it worse? Mista didn't visibly cry or grieve until Naranchia died, implying he was trying to act stoic and brave for Naranchia's sake. Buccharati, despite being a corpse unable to bleed still bit his lip so hard that he drew blood, implying his heart pumped once more. You're welcome.
YES in real life death is fast, brutal, and can come out of nowhere. im tired of people just dying in the arms of their friends or loved ones and saying some corny bullshit before passing away at the perfect moment to make the scene as "dramatic" as possible. i WANT more unceremonious deaths in media, because in real life not everyone gets a perfect fairy tale ending. vanilla ice can LITERALLY ERASE THINGS FROM EXISTENCE. how the fuck is a "ceremonious" death even possible in that situation. obviously avdol got obliterated at the snap of a finger, thats what an ability like that would actually be like
"Character arcs don't exist" ah yes, it's not like koichi and johnny joestar have stands that evolve with their character, like a personification of their character arcs
So koichi gets worse
@@Johnson-br2lw I get irrationally angry about how much worse Act 3 is compared to how Utterly Broken Act 2 could be if it was ever used with any imagination. Dude can rewrite the qualities and nature to anything that has a Japanese onomatopoeia (Which is fuckin' everything with how many they have.), And trades it in for "Make stuff heavy.".
@@calemr in the manga he was shown to be able to swap acts anytime also he doesn't have a choice with how his acts will turn up
@@minatoyukidoorkun3305 i mean Johnny was able to switch acts 2, 3 and 4 using act 1 all the time technically using it all the time (his nail bullets) so why can't Koichi
@@user-fb7zv7zu2y I just said he swapped acts I'm not talking about Johnny and I mean when he got a new act he can't pick what'll it be before hand
I lost it at "funny coward". Polnareff is incredibly, stupidly brave and confident, to the point it causes major problems, cause he's just ready to go against anyone anytime. What the fuck.
*fights vampire that can litteraly erase shit using a fucking sword*
Man what a coward
Polnareff left France just to find his sister's murderer. That doesn't sound like cowardly behavior to me.
I mean one of his first actions upon joining the crusaders is getting avdol shot in head cause he didn't want to run away from a fight
Polnareff is extremely cocky which is the polar opposite of being cowardly
Even the first fight against Avdol, Polnareff chooses to slowly burn to death rather than take the easy way out with the knife and Avdol even comments that his honor was overriding the flesh bud.
He's the polar opposite of a coward or a weakling.
"Characters in part 3 die unceremoniously".
Yeah the way Kakyoin died while, uh, (checks notes) directly confronting the main villain who had been shown to have an ability that seemed like extraordinary speed at the time that had been demonstrated plenty of times before was very unceremonious.
Dude he died by getting punched in thw gut after an attack that was supposedly unblockable
@@keodiozubu8670 Undodgeable would be more accurate actually - If Dio didn't have the timestop he would have to somehow deflect everything thrown at him while also keeping himself and TW from touching HG's barriers as much as possible, which would be incredibly difficult even with TW's base speed (which is about the same level as Star Platinum, who could keep up with Chariot).
Second, the fight seemed to suggest that Kakyoin's goal at the time wasn't landing a blow, but rather to draw out as much information about TW as he could, which worked out despite it leading to his death, and ultimately changed the tide of battle into Jotaro's favor. In a way, it's like Avdol's death; A noble sacrifice.
@@ninjakidkat12 I mean did it. Jotaro mostly found that about by himself. Plus even then he did not have anything to stop until he also gained the power to stop time. Hell even with Joseph he could not get the information in time and even he could not even do anything about the stop time. Its like him finding out that dio could stop time meant almost nothing.
Second even then with a stand with multiple abilities especially one that is said to reflect or in your case not dodgeable him going out like that with almost no damage done to dio with just simple timestop seems more not ceremony worthy. At least to me anyway
@@keodiozubu8670 If Kakyoin didn't find out about TW's ability and didn't leave his dying message for Joseph to understand, Jotaro would most likely have stepped into Dio's range when Joseph and Dio fell from the rooftops. Joseph yelling about him having to keep his distance kept Jotaro from doing so and ultimately saved Jotaro from being able to be killed in the same timestop Dio "killed" Joseph in. If Joseph didn't have that information beforehand, the fight would've ended then and there.
It's funny that you describe timestop as being "simple" despite how absolutely broken it is. It's absolutely feasible that Kakyoin, who didn't know of the ability at that point, wouldn't be able to actually hurt Dio. In fact, the fact that he managed to get close to harming Dio is noteworthy on it's own. Hol Horse's attempted betrayal has shown just how terrifying timestop can be if you have no way to counter it, which has only been done by Jotaro armed with the information of TW's ability plus SP being basically the same Stand. And some rats for some reason. Jotaro is the main character; Of course he'd get the privilege of actually playing Dio at his own game and harming him. If you don't know someone has a timestop ability and/or you have no way to get around the problem, the enemy can just stop time, move out of harm's way and kick you in the balls in the meantime, which is what Dio did. Kakyoin getting the information was really the best he could do and like I said earlier ultimately saved Jotaro's life. It's faithful to what Dio has shown to be capable of while also giving Kakyoin a bit of spotlight, even if it did kill him.
@@ninjakidkat12 That's sorta of a stretch. Cuz the only thing preventing Jotaro from staying back is Joseph saying stand back. Jotaro could have stopped for minute or two just process what happened or Joseph could have figured it out himself and it would have the same affect.
Also freaking polnaerf got a stab in and that was close range granted by surprise but still. Also being simple does mean it cant be broken( ots a non point but still). Kakyoin stand had many abilities at his disposal and he could do his from long range. How come he did not even get in one hit in why polnaerf got at least a good stab? His main contribution to the whole fight just seems( my opinion by the way) to relying information that either he could not beat, Jotaro beat by himself and mostly figured out by himself and to Joseph saying at that exact time stay back which could have been without that.
“Fugo is the calm collective guy”
Ah yes the guy who has one of the most deadliest and aggressive stands in the part which by the way, stands are literally manifestations of one’s innermost self is the most chill guy.
I mean considering he only gets used once despite being arguably the strongest of the group doesn't help.
Purple Haze is a horrific Stand, though. Although LA Squadra has a lot of disturbing Stands. Like the worst one, beach boy, wielded by pineapple head
@@bestaround3323he's scared of his stand, which is why he doesn't use it
@@Lazy-Lizard despite that, it sucks how like use he had. Dunno if it's worse or better than okuyasu (as he helped near the end),
@@Lazy-Lizard He also had no other good uses against other stand users, and also Araki was too sad to make him betray the group.
The man whose Stand is the manifestation of his barely suppressed Rage
"I can't name a single character trait for Giorno"
Well, he has a dream
The foundation of One Piece is the dreams never die, but yet people constantly keep shitting on One Piece even though it’s objectively the best Shonen/Shonen Jump series of all time.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr one piece is not the best shonen
@@okami9039 , it has the best themes of family members are your family regardless if they’re biologically related to you or not; it has the best themes of dreams never dying; Zoro and Mihawk are more badass stoic than Jotaro; it has the best themes of not all Pirates are evil, and not all Marnies are good; Fishmen Island Arc was able to do themes of civil rights without it being propaganda, and it showed a none biased historically accurate version of the civil right movements, and Zoro from One Piece is the best character of all time.
Let me quote someone who described Giorno
"He's calm and cool" -Cosmonaut Variety Hour
Cosmo literally says Giorno has no character traits then proceeds to contradict himself in less then 30 seconds by saying he's calm and cool. How he has the amount of subscribers he does baffles me.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr but it’s too long for a average weeb. Just saying. I can’t call it the best when I can’t even watch the entire series since it’s too long and too much
Polnareff who persistently ran upstairs towards dio despite not understanding his abilities is a coward. yup definitely a coward.
"if you approach me then you will die"
polnareff: bet
Ah, yes. Polnareff. The cowardly man who went nuts leaving France to avenge his sister, facing someone who called himself a god head-on with zero shits given. The funny coward who hunted down the Pink Godfather Barbie Doll that turned him into a paralytic and had the strength and determination to latch onto another soul just to make sure Pink Godfather Barbie is defeated. Funny coward indeed. Very cowardly.
It’s a pretty odd critique to call someone a coward when their actions throughout the whole series contradicts that statement. For Dragon Ball fans, it’s like calling Goku a lazy cowardly fighter who always wins a battle because he’s the main character who never made a single mistake in the entire series.
@@JustADemon2023 Its just a horrible take. Even in his first battle polnareff is overly cocky and smug to the point it ends up costing him the battle.
As he burns to death he refuses to use the knife avdol gave him to try and stab him in the back and chooses to burn to death with dignity. Avdol even blatantly states that polnareffs sense of honor overrode the commands of DIO's fleshbud.
He almost gets Avdol killed because he underestimates his Hol horse and wont back down.
Cosmonaut has been a bad take machine over the past few years imo.
“I’ll kill you if you approach me”
“You hired the man who assaulted and killed my sister, and your lackey killed two of my friends, I will stop at nothing you slaughter you DIO.”
Not gonna lie. When he pointed Fugo, FUCKING FUGO, as "cool and calm" guy, I literally stopped the video and LAUGH. Cool and calm, Fugo. The guy with LITERALLY ANGRY ISSUES! Did he really watched the show, what the hell?! 😂😂
The guy who stabbed his friend with a fucking fork, bashed in a prof with a book, and has a stand that embodies pure rage and destruction is a cool calm guy? Was cosmo reading a different manga?
yes, because his stand isn't one of the most dangerous, and "blast radius" stands in the entire series due to it being a personification of one of his most defining character traits - which is his deep seeded, and extraordinarily violent anger issues and a tendency towards violence just in general.
yes, very calm and cool
Fugo is cool and calm? Jesus
LOL SAME
yes, fugo calm and cool, whose stand is a literal representation of his inner rage
"Part 1 isn't that memorable", but it's only 44 chapters/9 episodes and people remember Kono Dio Da, Danny's death, Dio rejecting his humanity, Speedwagon's abs, Sunlight Yellow Overdrive, Zeppeli's sacrifice, Dio making a mother eat her own baby, Thunder Cross Split Attack, and Jonathan's death. One could argue it's the most memorable since there is so little of it.
Yeah, but the memes are pretty much THE memorable parts of Part 1.
Wait, when did Speedwagon show his abs?
@ When he thawed Zeppeli's frozen arm.
@@ChadBenjamin I don't think anyone cared about danny,dio making a mother eat her own baby, and thunder cross split attack and kono dio are just remembered as memes nothing else. At least that's what I think
I love Part 1.
Honestly, his initial takes were ehh to me, but calling Speedwagon, a character with no powers who risked his life time and time again against supernatural threats to help the man he owed his life to, and his descendants, funny and cowardly, crossed the line.
Speedwagon best waifu
finally, someone who thinks that speedwagon is a good character for actual character traits and not "haha speedwagon best waifu."
Couldn’t have said it any better
i think speedweed is more like a krillin except instead of marrying the best girl he turned into one
You don't have to like Speedwagon. But cowardly is the LAST word you could describe Speedwagon.
he said polnareff is a coward, after everything he did in part 3 and 5... wow, that's stupid
while polnareff literally save jotaro from dio cutting his head, and help the gang defeat diavolo, and make polnareffland
@@kakyoindonut3213 wait he got to make polnareff land? 🥺
@@man-wv8xj no
Polnareff was literally the workhorse of part 3. They don't call it polnareffs adventure for nothing
@@starbreaker269 No jokes, I think he was the protagonist of part 3
for the cosmo fans that say you dont have to bring up arguments for not liking something. We know, but cosmo`s video was literally about bringing up arguments for not liking something and most of his arguments were A) his fault for not paying attention or not approaching the series in a good way or B) just false and put there for content
Thank you
not true though the only thing I can really say he was wrong about was Polnareff being a coward and Fugo being calm the rest was pretty accurate
@@IsGrouse what points of his was accurate?? Please tell me
@@Sparks0114 most of the characters in golden wind act the same
@@IsGrouse like who?? Name them. Because you’re wrong, Also. If THATS the only thing you got from Cosmonaut’s video, that means he really did a shitty job
introverted character: - exists -
some ppl: edgy, emotionally unavailable, sketchy, little empathy because they dont have over the top reactions, must be secretly evil/abusive or some sht because theyre not super easy to read and that gives me bad vibes reee
people are fucking stupid
“Introverted characters”... do _not_ shout at their sweet momma, calling her an “annoying bitch”, for no reason.
Jotaro is edgy whether you like it or not. Insulting everyone you meet including your own mom for no reason isn't an introverted attitude, it's just being a dick.
@@thecommentsuperhero8578 why do you sound like such a crybaby?
@@roserose109 Could ask you the same. Hurt because I criticized your fav anime character?
It's weird that he decided to rant about something based off vague memories from years ago. At least look through the jojo wiki bro
Reminds me of those old ranting videos from the infancy of RUclips.
@@ChiefMedicPururu oh...
Cosmonaut really comes across as that type of guy that feeds into the internet contrarian stereotype: the guy that goes against the popular consensus just to get views, but when people makes arguments against him, he pulls the whole “it’s just my opinion, guys.”
That’s exactly how he is
Not only that. He's a genuine hipster. Guy unironically likes The Last Jedi
@@kingsadvisor18 i like the last jedi. I know its flawed but some of Marcus points were bullshit
One of the many you tubers I can’t stand much like ihe and pewdiepie. He uses the phrase JuStMyOpInIoN as a blank term for him just to get views and not any actual criticism because the loves circlejerk everything
An opinion would be like: “I really like this character and wasn’t a fan with how he was handled”
Cosmonaut opinion be like: “Araki is a terrible writer, here are 10 instances that prove this notion to convince you, no one should like this ever again, but just my opinion jk.
"part 6 had nothing memorable"
Okay that's how you KNOW he's lying. Love it or hate it, stone ocean was full of memorable moments, if for no other reason than how utterly bizarre they are (pun fully intended)
I don't really like stone ocean tho cuz Netflix completly ruined it
@@Night_Gale I dunno I think they're doing a good job with it
@Devin Gunnels Waiting for a year to get 12 more episodes is "doing fine" to you?
@Cristi Goga patches are ass but I like the anime
Stone Ocean is literally the most experimental JoJo ever got
You can make a case that part 7 and 8 might be weirder, but come one.. How often do you see anything similar to the ending of part 6?
I wasn't really forced into watching Jojo, but did it for the memes and shit. Now, I'm way too invested and I enjoyed each part. It's just so good imo.
Yeah JoJo don't take itself serious.
Is that kind of anime/manga that you read/watch just to relax and pass your time
If you read JoJo with the mindeset of being critical about every little thing, you will never enjoy it
@@lain5858 having that mindset when watching ANYTHING will make you hate it. I guarantee that you could watch some of your favorite childhood movies with said mindset and you will think they are shit. I used to do this and it basically made me hate every movie I watched or game I played. Definitely don't recommend.
@@noiwontsignyourarmpit5263
Sadly most people are like this right now
Even more when you "look cool" hating on popular stories that other people enjoy
And let's face It, the perfect story *don't exist* you will always find flaws and like you said
you will end up never enjoying anything in your life
@@lain5858
Thats how I roped in friends. Told them about jojo and just eased them into it. I let them just find their love for it. No screaming at them everyday, rather just a few times and leaving them be.
Same thing happened to me. Legit binged the show in 2 weeks and read parts six and Seven online. Now I’m buying all the manga and planning to get a bunch of figures
“Jotaro has no emotion”
But then Jotaro puts himself in mortal danger to save his mom and goes apeshit when DIO kills Joseph.
No emotion my ass.
Same goes for Giorno
He needs to learn the difference between no emotion and subtle emotion.
Nonono
I dont like this dude but I will give him a pass on that comment if he only watched the anime cause they did jotaro dirty in the anime version for he did not exactly have the most amount of emotion like the manga I understand why he acted the way he did in the anime I respect but its sad we did not get to see him smile more or have more reactions in the anime
@@bandan8992 he explicitly stated he read the manga first.
If Jotaro had no emotions he would not save his mother in the first place.
Because he would not *feel compassion* enough for her and would not *feel guilty* in leting her die
People without emotions are basically psychopaths
People should at least have a Basic notion of psychology before trying to analyze characters
Or stop counfounding "expression" with "emotions"
Yeah Jotaro is not much expressive but he have a Lot of emotions
Part 6?
"Polnareff is a cowardly character"
The dude straight up jumps towards DIO almost killing him
Cosmotards will say "iT's hIs OpiNiOn" when the dude is straight up making objective statements.
The Cosmonaut fanboys are like those 2015 prank channels who just say "it's just a prank bro" when someone confronts them except they say "it's just an opinion bro" because they can't take any valid criticism
@@moderncrusader1150 it do be like that
@@moderncrusader1150 Everybody hides behind this "oh it's just an opinion bro, art is subjective lol. Objectivity doesn't exist lol"
Bunch of morons.
dude this is Cosmonaut's opinion, he says so himself. this is not a argument meant to sway others to his side. He is telling people about HIS OPINION.
@@whiterunguard6415 Irrelevant. If he said something that is directly contradicted by the show, he is wrong. End of discussion. You can't hide every dumb shit you say behind "it's my opinion".
If your opinion can disproven by evidence, or by simply pointing out a fact, then it's a wrong opinion.
How could he say Fugo is 'calm' when Fugo's entire backstory is based on his violent tendencies?
Purple Haze is the embodiment of why Cosmonaut is wrong
Fugos whole character dynamic is hes the calm cool guy archetype that Cosmo describes but he has outbursts of rage so I think Cosmo is right in calling fugo that archetype
@@jericho9642 calm and cool is an archetype in and of itself but Fugo so much more clearly has a Dr Jekyll, Mr Hyde thing going on.
You can't be calm and cool but also prone to bursts of anger, those are opposing character traits.
or you can say... BATTLE TENDENCIES
@@Green_Falcon
Yeah Purple Haze is the physical embodiment of Fugo's anger and ill temper. Furthermore it shows that Cosmonaut didn't pay attention because the first thing we see Fugo do is lose his temper and strike Narncia for getting a math problem wrong. But he's the "calm" guy...Right...
EDIT: 23:30- 23:43 Oh speak of the devil, MangaKamen proved my point.
25:04 - Is he serious? Araki's whole signature writing style is establishing introductory character traits the moment you meet them. THE MOMENT YOU MEET THEM. You see this not just with Giorno, but with everyone -- including Bucciarati, Fugo, Narancia, Mista and Abbaccio. Hell, especially Diavolo, and that's BEFORE you've even seen him.
How does that escape this Cosmo guy?
Because he doesn't give a shit.
He just read a poorly wrote wikia it seems
Same guy who confidently says that he didn’t understand the entire plot of Phantom Menace for years and thinks he had the right to criticize the movie, how anyone take this guy seriously, is genuinely surprising
@@j.j.hector735 no hes kinda right ab that lmao
Okay, but fr, nah, Abacchio’s death was not unceremonious. He got caught off guard and killed in an underhanded and brutal way (like how a gang member would kill another gang member), but if he hadn’t succeeded before he died, the entire rest of part 5 would not, could not happen. Abacchio in that scene is single handedly the most important character of part 5.
When you word it that way, it reminds me a lot of how Shigechi died.
Plus they have a really sad scene afterwards where the others mourn his death and try to move on without him :-(
@@errortryagainlater4240 I cried a lot in part 5, those scenes are so hard to get through. Especially the Abbacchio one.
It makes sense that he was caught off guard by the Boss, much like an actual mafia execution of a traitor.
@@cosmicm8 diavolo isn’t a man of many words. He goes straight for the kill there is no time to talk he’ll just stay longer than expected
14:31 to add to that, Avdol even said in DIO’s castle that every man was for themselves if they were to die, but Avdol still went through the trouble of saving Polnereff and Iggy at the cost of his own life. THAT is ceremonious.
And remember: Cosmo said that Polnareff was a coward. If he was truly a coward, he would've fled from Vanilla Ice, instead of killing him to avenge Iggy and Advol.
*Bucciaratti:* we're going to kill the boss, this is a really dangerous quest and we'll probably going to die, I you don't want to come I understand.
*Mista:* OK, I'll risk my life for the team
*Cosmonaut:* wow, what a cowardly decision
*Fugo:* I won't go, I appreciate my life, and don't want to die
*Cosmonaut:* that doesn't makes sense, why wouldn't you want to go to a suicide mission, this isn't realistic and good writing 😭😭😭
Literally how he probably reacted when reading part 5 lol
The moment someone says that "you are brainwashed!" I instantly dismiss their opinion because they technically attempt to brainwash me as well.
@@emmalion1976 what?
@@emmalion1976 I think you commented this on the wrong comment
"Obviously you having a different opinion from mine could only mean that you are a brainwashed fool! Why else would anyone disagree with me!"
Gotta love Dogma
@@emmalion1976 bruh... did you read the comment?
Great video bro, I’ve been waiting for someone to cover not only that video but Cosmonaut as a whole
I like cheese hamburgers
it may be kinda long but MauLer has like 3 separate episodes of the EFAP podcast tearing cosmo a new one
@@spuart3308 yes cheese hamburgers are cool
Hi Jojo song man
@@hackmaniteultra4329 howbout burgers with pineapple?
I'm really impressed that, as someone who hates Giorno, you were able to demonstrate a great understanding of Giorno as a character and describe him in a way that makes him sound really cool.
@@Mangakamen I'm of the point of view he's barely a character so it's hard to call him a character, he's more like a plot device
Giorno has no emotions, he just achieved a powerful stand like a piece of cake unlike jotaro who had to struggle for the time stop power I like part 5 but giorno is not a good charecter
@@justajobro1266 Giorno:cries for Narancias death, griefs for Abaccio and punches Ciocolatta for 30 seconds because he was killing innocents, yep definetly no emotions from this protagonist.
And also are you telling me getting the stand arrow was easy? Bruno died for it and they spent like 3 episodes chasing it so that Diavolo woudn't get it.
@@just_a_tarnished4269 it was still very easy compare it to jotaro's struggle for the timestop ability I mean I know he cries and all but I haven't once seen him laugh/do anything it feels like mistas/ buccurati's part that's what makes it feels like no struggle buccurati was the one that took all the pain and suffering it made me feel bad for him and GIRONO broke some bones yes, but that's his ability healing others and himself so it doesn't even matter, atleast you see jotaro smile/ laugh or get angry for once I mean he is the worst in the diverse selections of joestars but he is still a pretty good charecter,take jotaro or Joseph for example the joke sometimes, get pissed off and are inherently fun to watch whereas giorno does absolutely nothing important until the finale even Jonathan was more interesting girono is definitely the most boring joestar and part 5 was only good because the villans and Bruno's gang. Giorno feels like a side charecter in his own part, and thats a big fault
Giorno is amazing, best animated mf in JoJo (as of now)
He said Jotaro didn't have any character development which is just a lie. In part 3 Jotaro got annoyed by girls ganging up on him but in part 4 when Tomoko confuses him for Joseph he just calmly explains who he is. That would not have happened in part 3. And this is just a small example. Jotaro by nature is a quiet and reserved person, but theres so many moments of him being empathetic as he got older. I'm pretty sure he just kinda read it just so he could say he read it.
also him getting ptsd when Kira says his actions are *useless*
And how he protects his daughter, Jolyne, in their fight against Pucci
I wouldn't really call Giorno a Gary Stuart. That implies that he doesn't go through a single struggle or adversity
Vs. Bruno: Get's pretty much owned for most of the fight until he figures out a way to counter and make up for his short range.
Vs. Babyface: his only solo fight and even then he figures out how to counter his enemy in a reasonable way (i.e. using baby face to learn something new about his ability.)
Vs. Notorious B.I.G.: Is forced to loose his arm as an attempt to get rid of him as is taken out of commission.
Vs. Crush and Talking Head: He was the one who needed the saving in the scenario.
Vs. Ghiacco: His powers or completely useless for offense and is brought down as support for Mista.
Giorno also has his moments of emotion. Giorno's character is a lot more subtle than other Jojos. His backstory establishes him to be a more introverted character. While he doesn't outright show emotion, His emotions come from his inner thoughts, which we see him display panic and frustration is situations. There even times where does show emotion:
- Him quivering and disbelief at Abbachio's death.
- His utter despair and disbelief at the reveal that Bruno was basically a zombie on a time limit.
- His destain, hatred, and anger towards Ciocolatta.
- His despair towards Narancia's death (It's also the first time we see him cry, which given the context of his backstory, holds some significance.
It's basically what you said about Jotaro. Although he doesn't show much emotion, it doesn't mean they're not there.
As a critique towards Cosmonaut, he complains that him being the son of Jonathan and Dio has no plot relevance when that wasn't the point. It's to contextualize Giorno's character and his morality. He has Jonathan's sense of justice and honor, but has a Dio way of delivering that justice towards his enemies.
Giorno is a character that has to be looked deeper into in order to appreciate him. While do understand how his introverted personality can be seen as uninteresting, in my opinion, his subtly as a character is what makes him more interesting. I'm not expecting anyone's mind to be changed. This is just how I feel about him.
Thank you. Also I dont know why but the dub brings more of his character out or able to portrayal it naturally in my opinion
@@xblade149
the sub:
Giorno sounds like dramatically reading off a script
the dub:
Giorno sounds like, he's on the verge of sobbing.
@@Legomicroman yes exactly
@@xblade149 what?? it really does? I might have to watch the dub, i've put it off for far too long!
@@roserose109 yeah dude give it a look
The thing that bothers me about some "anti-Jojos" people (I don't mean people that just aren't into it, I mean antis). Is that they don't understand how a show can have a very specific appeal that really draws in certain people.
I have friends that don't like JJBA but they ALWAYS say they can totally understand how other people can be really into it. They can see the appeal even though it does nothing for them.
Jojos has a unique niche it fills for some people. Going on a Rant about this show feels very out-of-touch to me. It has the same energy as people who would rant about something like Evil Dead or Rocky Horror. It's just not something you can do without missing the point/looking stupid.
Also people that forget this JJBA is a property started in the 1980s and 90s irritate me. There are so many interesting cultural things you won't understand if you don't keep the dates in mind.
Like how Part 5 takes place in 2001, which is why Risotto says Multiple Personality Disorder instead of Dissociative Identity Disorder.
I think the anti jojo people don't hate the show they just think the fans are annoying also im basing this argument from my friends who hate jojo.They said that the fanbase constantly pushing the series and being in every single music video and saying is this a jojo reference made them hate the show.Im not trying to say the fanbase sucks but in trying to say that theres a minority who put the series in a bad light.Im saying this as a jojo fan
@@AkameGaKillfan777 or a 21st century schizoid man
I tried to get my little sis into JoJo and she couldn’t because “it’s just weird” and to me that’s an acceptable answer.
Modern anime/manga satirizes the serious, ridiculous, over-the-top nature of the superpowered hero manga subgenre. JoJo is in a very special place where it is both aware of this cliche and celebrates it by making a willing audience member shed the embarrassment they might feel due to its camp. It’s not exactly tongue-in-cheek, but there is never this sense of “If you laugh during serious moment, you’re ruining the mood”. That’s where “Bizarre” comes in. “Bizarre” is an assault on convention and the expected. Things can be life or death and still weird. People can be ruthless killers and have odd quirks (Ghiaccio’s hate-boner for idioms). You can be aware of how trope-y things are but still enjoy it because of the entertainment it gives you. JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure is a series that says “It’s ok to like cool things simply because they’re cool.”
@Noah zzstu Smith that's how all fans of anything behaves though, it's not unique to jojo.
There are two types of people I hate
1. Sees JoJo memes, assumes that's what it's about and claims to love it
2. Sees JoJo memes, assume that's what it's about and claims to hate it
Truth
Fr, this is so true
If the memes are this shit why would I watch the show?
My friend is jojo hater and want to drag me to other anime
Although the memes are the real reason why I'm invested in JoJo.
12:54 I like the fact that araki killed off the main characters in his story, it gives the feeling that the cast isn't invincible, despite their victories.
Yeah, I had to shudder at the "Fugo is calm and collected" thing when it's shown that Fugo is quick to anger and becomes murderously psychotic at the drop of a hat. Literally one of the first things we see him do onscreen is go screaming mad and stab Narancia with a fork because he got a math problem wrong
He barely paid attention.
and his stand is supposed to represent his repressed anger like bruhh
And all that anger stemmed from his home life and the fact his teacher tried to SA him if I recall
@@aozorahaou2643 Apparently that particular scene was exclusive to a spinoff story but was adapted into the anime. In the actual manga Fugo’s loving grandmother died and that professor refused to allow him to visit her and encouraged him to study instead, causing him to fly into a rage and kill him.
To be fair he got it SO WRONG.
Words cannot describe how much Cosmo's "Why is this BIZARRE adventure so BIZARRE?!?!?" argument annoyed the shit out of me
He said he liked it when it was bizarre but it got to points where it wasn’t bizarre and just shit, I do like JoJos and I agree with everything in his review
You’re not allowed to agree with him.
@@sondog5789 Even the parts where he was just... wrong?
I was aggravated with his takes at first but calling mista a coward and fugo “too strong” solidified the fact that he didn’t know what he was talking about
Fugo is weak.
If his stand for example falls over :
*"OH NOO. PuRpLe HaZe'S cApSulE bRoKe, GuEsS i'Ll JuSt DiE*
@@lennard8066 He never called Fugo weak lol, and you missed the point. The comment was referring to how cosmonaut believed Araki wrote Fugo out was due to Fugo being too strong, despite the fact that most enemy stands before Fugo left could actually counter Fugo's stand.
Mista : Shoots at White Album Gently Weeps even though he knows that the bullets are going to come back and hit him .
Cosmo : “Funny Coward”
Dude, he knew what he was talking about.
@@gereniccc4487 you’re gonna have to co-sign that opinion with a counter-argument, as the reasons that have been provided are pretty compelling.
"Even people who like part 5 agree with me"
Giorno is my favourite character, I find him really interesting, with things like the mix of dio and jonathan and never crying because he knows it's useless
I see what u did😂
@@changedcj007 if I am thinking right, it wasn't intentional but I am not complaining
but he cried after Abbachio and Narancia, wtf man
@@flogiston2ify that just showed how bad that situation was
@@nighpaw4651 I disagree with him being interesting because he is a mix of Dio and Jonathan. I hate cosmos video as it is BS, but that was the only part i agreed with. IMO Araki could have done a lot more about Giorno being the son of one of the most dangerous stand users on the planet instead of never showing him again after part 5.
Huh. Even if you hate Giorno, you explained him better than Cosmo ever could. Thanks, Manga.
@@Mangakamen Interesting. Good to see you again.
I don’t really like him either TBH he just doesn’t feel like a JoJo, only at the very beginning and very end of Part 5.
@@emeraldwolf3494 I chalk that up to him being the son of Dio.
@@user-in1gv1uh2v it’s not that, he just feels irrelevant for most of the part
@@emeraldwolf3494I've only seens parts of Giorno in Part 5 so I can't give a complete opinion, but from what ive seen in part 5 and EOH he seems decent enough.
Yeah. I'm not someone who unsubscribes to someone for having a different opinion, but with Cosmo, I disagree with his takes on the Raimi Spidey trilogy, Jojo, and TLOU2 because he seems to miss the point of some scenes, characters, or just misinterprets stuff in whatever he's reviewing. This was the problem I had with Dunkey's TLOU2 video where he basically ignored or misinterpreted the valid reasons why fans hated the game.
Don’t forget the prequels
That too
Oh or he's take on video game movies
So the dude is a massive contrarian? He just hates popular things and likes bad things?
@@revolvingworld2676 Pretty much.
Isn’t Cosmonaut also the same guy who said that Joel from The Last of Us wasn’t a beloved character?🥴And also thought that people were angry just because they killed him off without even looking into the context of the situation? Which’s that people thought he was killed off in the most contrived and unsatisfying way possible?
Yes
Yup.
That's him alright.
Can't believe he's one of those RUclipsrs who assumes a controversy has only cause.
That might of been one of the dumbest things Cosmonaut said about Joel, and that saying a lot.
Cosmonaut is living proof that anyone can run a successful RUclips channel, no matter how brain-dead they are.
Nothing was unsatisfying about Joels death lmao. It had both heavy story and plot significance which is what a good death needs, unlike 80% of deaths in jojo which make absolutely no effect on the plot other than the character is no longer there. This is coming from a big jojo fan.
When Pol stabbed DIO , you need to take in consideration that he thought all the other crusaders are dead , after all Jotaro was playing dead. After taking that into consideration you CANNOT tell me that my boy Pol is a coward
also Polnareff literally went off solo against Diavolo, got his body wrecked and came back for round 2
edit: and he also went against Allessi, AS A 3 YEAR OLD
“Why does mists get a fake out death and gets revived like 4 times!!”
Krillin, Goku, Yamcha, frieza, and every other dragon ball character:
Did you just say *4?*
i mean they actually get revived, but i see your point
lol 4
Bro they at least actually died, mista just gets shot 50 times and gets better
Well sure dragon ball is a ridiculously long running anime and mistas in 1 season
“Polnareff is a funny coward.”
“Fugo: calm and cool guy.”
“Mista: funny coward.” “Narancia: funny coward.”
And this is not the first or last time he’s doing it. Just take a gander at what he describes Sokka from Avatar on Twitter. “Sokka’s only character arc is that he shouldn’t be a sexist.” The backlash from his comment has him say “it’s just a joke guys!”
Glad to see that this pretentious caustic contrarian hack is at it again.
Saying sokka's only arc was not being sexist, is like saying Sex pistols is only used to redirect bullets
It's almost like he's correct.
@@gereniccc4487 Not really, at least after the Kyoshi Warriors where he learns about people who he once believed to be weak are not, and are in fact way stronger then him. Sokka's character is more or less learning he's not the biggest fish in the ocean and has a lot to learn. Like for instance him learning swordsmanship because of how he feels himself to be useless when in fact he's not.
@@shirothr5384 And growing into a good leader and tactician hell we've seen this in The Day of Black Sun where he fumbled a speech and Aang told him he'll prove himself on the battlefield which he did and we loved every moment of it as Sokka truly grew into a leader his parents and Katara will be proud off
He comes off as insufferable for sure! what’s funny is that for a guy who claims to love films and other media, he’s the last person you’d wanna sit down and talk with cause he’s so pretentious and condescending aka a giant asshole who isn’t even that informed when it comes to this kind of stuff
As soon as Cosmo tried to label Fugo as a Cool and Calm character, I immediately knew he didn’t know what the fuck he was talking about. The character that was depicted with such extreme anger issues that his Stand is uncontrollable. Yeah okay, buddy.
@L Lawliet exactly homie you get it
Yep, at that point I was like "wait - what?" Purple Haze couldn't be less subtle about Fugo's anger issues if it tried 💀
The dude who literally stabbed his friend he was tutoring in the face with a fork because narancia is such a dumby when it comes to any kinda educational intelligence
I've always hated how people say giorno has no character traits. just because he's very stoic, calm (mostly), and quiet doesn't mean he has no character traits, you just gotta actually pay attention to him
plus, you just listed character traits for Giorno
Jojo is my favorite fictional series, but honestly JoJo character writing isn't super strong. Not bad, mind you, but not strong. If you made it to part 5, you lose all right to complain about Giorno being flat in my opinion. Not like any jojo that came before him is the writing equivalent of getting your first blowjob.
@Timose he honestly felt like an isekai protagonist to me 💀
I feel like people criticize Giorno more so because he doesn’t change all that much throughout the part.
Giorno is a loner at the begining, he is not the most powerfull and he is just smart.
“the deaths were unceremonious” yeah because THATS HOW DEATH IS. my best friend was hanging out in her living room one day when her dad started groaning in the other room. ten minutes later, he was dead. no last words, no dramatic goodbye, he just died right in her arms. that’s what makes araki’s writing so impactful, because it doesn’t pander to the audience’s need for closure. Grief is painful and unexpected and raw; you sometimes don’t get to say “i love you” or even “i’m sorry” before that person is gone, and i think deaths like caesar and narancia really encapsulate that feeling. they leave people behind (joseph and fugo) who have to live with the burden of words left unsaid. God i hate how reductive cosmo’s language is, he fundamentally misunderstands the story but preaches to his hundreds of thousands of viewers like his words are the truth.
Even then I wouldn't use the word unceremonious. We do get a send off for every character that dies. Be it their Ghost visiting the surviving companion, the narrator giving a speech, or something else.
Like Narancia had the most "unceremonious" death. But the entire story took a quick break to acknowledge his death. The anime even added that scene with Fugo.
The only death that I consider completely unceremonious happens in Part 7.
Avdol’s death is still indefensible to me. The dog that showed up halfway through the arc got a bigger sendoff than he did.
I mean avdol died saving his comrades his friends hell iggy goes the same way but it's slow as to leave us time to grieve and cry
@@Dash-lx4ng He already "died" saving his comrades once. It doesn't work twice
well I mean that was for polneraffs development.
Stand: Smoke of a gun
Power: Vagueness, this allows the user to confuse his opponent with pointless arguments which he uses to win fights
Secondary ability: insult Speedwagon, This makes the opponent go into a blind rage and try to kill him, this is also how he wins
@@starscream8989 Perfection, also side note thanks for all the likes
@@Comical1984 song name
Holy crap over 100 likes, thanks guys
In the real world, death is mostly unceremonious. It's usually cruel, brutal and it happens out of nowhere. I'm glad Araki choose to end his beloved characters this way because it gives a more heavy gut punch. It is why I believe Narancia's death is the saddest of the anime series.
What makes Narancia’s death sadder is that it happened right when he was fantasizing about going back home and actually starting a normal life by going to school. But nope-he gets impaled on a fence instead.
Remember the kid in part 7, yeah my heart stopped when i read "he died because of a cold"
@@blobofmeatwhoexist8460 ah shit, the one kid Gyro tries to save or somethin? I honestly forgot some details in part 7 but good golly, my heart sank when I read that.
@@n-extrafries-surprise Yeah that one, after reading that i just sat there and said Araki you one cruel bastard.
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*Cries in Jobin*
The Part 5 death scenes were unceremonial? Maybe they died out of nowhere, but that’s just to show how secretive Diavolo acts and even kills. The scenes after their deaths with Abbacchio in the afterlife and the group realizing Narancia‘s fate are some of the saddest imo
This is an excellent video!
oh hey, glad to see ya here
Crossover of the year.
I didn’t expect to see this hear
Collaboration?
did you watch it?
“Fugo calm cool guy” did he actually read part 5?
No.
Why would he
@@pavczok1770 ?
@@ChiefMedicPururu what
@@pavczok1770 What you just said.
Cosmonaut fans: Looks like Jojo fans can’t handle criticism!
Also Cosmonaut fans: NOOOO don’t criticize Cosmonaut!!!!
@@Mangakamen It gets seriously annoying, really.
@The aqua mage Bingo.
i can like cosmonaut at times but his jojos video is pretty bad
To be fair though, Jojos fans also can’t take criticism. Any time I’ve told a Jojos fan that I didn’t enjoy Jojos they try to explain to me why I’m wrong.
@@WhoAmIWill it’s cause it’s hard to imagine not liking something that you like yknow
11:46 “They don’t have character arcs, they just have gradual changes in their personality over time as a result of external and internal driving forces.”
*Dude literally describes a character arc saying they don’t have one.* smh
"if your charracter doesn't do a full 180° turn it's not development"
stupid ahh take
That is the literal definition of a character arc, how did bro not notice 💀
@@christophersamueldearlysih262It's not an arc if there isn't a core character issue being addressed, and it needs an ending to it as well. Character development ≠ Character arc.
As someone who did really enjoy Giorno's character, I appreciate you defending him despite not liking him. I understand why other people may not like him, and maybe my opinion will change once I read the manga (I just started Phantom Blood a few days ago) but your ability to summarize and defend who his character is despite not enjoying it that much really shows that you understood the story that was trying to be told, unlike how Cosmonaut would misrepresent characters like calling Fugo calm and cool.
Overall this video put a lot of things into words that I'd felt when first watching Cosmonaut's video and it was done in a very entertaining manner. I also really like that you said it's alright for people to not like JoJo since it is quite a strange show to get into. Lots of your arguments had plenty of evidence and sources, plus it was all delivered in quite an entertaining format.
Basically what my 3am brain is trying to say is good video, I really enjoyed it. I'm excited to watch more videos from you :D (also props to Kaiser for the editing and little commentary moments, I really enjoyed those as well).
Dude, Giorno is my favorite JoJo and this MangaKamen’s analysis is SPOT ON. He REALLY understands the character and the part, yet he can openly state he doesn’t like them, and that’s a really respectable attribute to him
@@flamingdoge6242 Giorno is my least favourite Jojo, and I completely agree with the defence of his character despite initially agreeing with Cosmo's take on him.
@@flamingdoge6242 SAME
As someone who also loves Giorno, I thank you and OP for putting this into words when I was too shy to do so
Really love how MangaKamen defended him besides not liking him, because not liking a character doesn’t mean you don’t understand them and their role in the story. I was really happy to see that understanding coming from him
@@grimmwiitch exactly. I love Giorno too. It's impressive how Mangakamen can look at him without spite, and instead with an eye of analysis.
I feel kinda strange towards Giorno , I dislike his character and he’s my second least favourite Jojo but I can talk about how well written he is and how well he ties into part 5’s narrative themes for 8 hours .
"Part 5 is too long i hate it" proceeds to watch one piece
Oof.
Hahahaha
part 5 was the shortest part canonically, kinda ironic lmao
it's funny that cosmonaut loves part 4 and hates part 5, even though 4 is *slightly* longer than 5 (in the manga). and in the anime they have the exact same number of episodes **facepalm**
@@cithara8954 brilliant
My one complaint here: Kakyoin is NOT cardboard. If you pay attention to him at ALL, you would know this. It’s just he doesn’t really get a backstory at all until the episode where he DIES.
Kakyoin legit grew as a character throughout the adventure. This was blatantly reflected during the T D'arby fight.
Finally someone said it
THANK YOU!!! I love kakyoin so much and to see people call him that makes my eyes roll into my head. Everyone has their own opinion but it's really just oversight.
@@enk335 I’ll be honest, him and Polnareff had the most character development
People like him for the wrong reasons. They like him because he likes milfs and licks cherries, but not because he was a lonely introvert who's only friend was one that nobody else could see, but he finally found friends who truly understand him.
THIS THO
Not only the T D’Arby fight was amazing regarding that, but I loved seeing Kakyoin’s time to shine against Death 13. He was basically alone when no one else trusted him, and the way he had to overcome those challenges on his own to me was triumphant
"Fugo is a calm and cool guy"
Fugo: *Stabs narancia with a fork and screams a lot also does the Canzoni preferite*
Like, his entire personality is his anger issues
When he said Fugo was a "Calm cool guy" and Mista was a "Funny coward" I laughed my ass off.
I mean, with Mista, he's partially right...
*4*
Paranoid, maybe. Coward? Nope.
@@lucinavonnolaran8728 4 is literally a well known “curse” in japan. They take it out of hotels normally and skip over the number 4 because the way they say 4 is close to the way they say death. Mista is paranoid of this and I’m pretty sure he even made a reference to this while talking about his dislike for the number during the cake scene. Just because someone is paranoid over something DOESNT mean they’re cowardly. Especially when the character literally risks his life not once, not twice, BUT ON THREE DIFFERENT EVENTS (Train scene, Helicopter scene, and the stand fight where HES shooting bullets while the bullets warn him he will possibly die.) those are not the traits of a cowardly person and if you think it is then maybe you should look up a definition of cowardly.
@@faehame Also most of his situations usually happen because of the number 4 (atleast for his backstory)
After seeing his review, I wanna just go in space and eventually stop thinking.
Same
when ur motor vehicle decides to remove their conciousness
eventually, Ty Smith stop thinking
I don’t know dude, space is a bit complicated to get. What about a river ?
"If you're not aware of Cosmonaut, then WHY THE HELL ARE YOU EVEN HERE?!"
CAUSE I LOVE YOU(R CONTENT), OKAY?!
Well said Jac without a K well said
@@Mangakamen hes a mad man, outta control
*Same here tf*
Cosmonaut seems like the guy who would take "Araki forgot" seriously. This guy is a joke. I remember watching his essay on Sam Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy, and I *despised* his many poor takes on the matter. Well, what do you know? Years later he's back and oh boy is it even worse this time around!
People keep talking about his Raimi Spiderman Trilogy video as like all of his points were actually serious. He’s said multiple times that most of “criticisms” were just for fun. When he ranked every super hero movie he put Spiderman 2 as one of the best.
“I love this video. This is such a well-spoken and constructive response, and I appreciate you acknowledged that most of my video was just for funsies. Maaaaybe I'll reconsider how I feel about Aunt May having heard your side.
But MJ is still the worst.” Cosmonaut literally said that 5 years ago on a video responding to his.
@@DrJareld. I just hope he decided that during the process of creating the video not AFTER the fact that he got absolutely criticized for what he spoke about. Cause I'll be honest none of his content inspires trust from me and i couldn't give him the benefit of the doubt that he aint just back peddling to do damage control.
If you say Jotaro is a flat character, you obviously haven’t read part 6.
FairGuyCole Or noticed his PTSD in part 4 when confronting Kira.
In Part 3, he kinda is
@@drasconboy6349 in jotaros defense hes a product of his time
Same with goku who was created around the same time
@@drasconboy6349 he is a tsundere, what do you mean he is flat?
Not to defend cosmonaut, but iirc, he actually didn't read part 6.
"Part 3 is too long"
*reads One Piece*
Yeah I was like what?
part 3 too long? thank god he didnt see jojolion
@@ReV0luzione considering how he bitched about Diavolo appearing “too late “ imagine how he would react to a certain “doctor”
Difference is one piece is interesting... Jojo kinda trash
@@thatmagelad8539 yeah, but it's long and when someone calls a 48 episode anime "long" when he has caught up with the 999+ episode One piece, there is a problem.
I bursted out laughing when he called fugo a calm cool guy
Cosmo comes off as the type that likes to hate what ever is popular and give very surface level statements or completely misrepresent or misinform the viewer. Watching this had me think “Did this dude watch the same show that I did?” and calling characters “cowards” when they almost literally get themselves killed for the main goal or protagonist had me cringing so hard
I’d agree with you, but CVH absolutely loves the MCU but never talks about the worst of their films. Even then he handwaves any criticisms.
A guy who hates DC films but loves MCU, even Captain Marvel, which is mid according to fans. Label people dumb for not liking TLOU2 and She-Hulk series.
Yeaaahh, this guy is one of those people if you know.
@@carltasticdrew9633from what I’ve watched of him he’s pretty consistent about how the mcu is pretty much the same formula over and over
@@Grf1556bro, he literally has said that the MCU is kinda mid, and a lotta the movies mid or bad. He has entire sections of videos dedicated to talking about the bad movies.
@@carltasticdrew9633 he doesn’t hate DC Films, he hates bad DC films
I was hoping someone would make a video like this.
@@Mangakamen
Dude, those guys are awesome.
Their Cvit reaction video was the funniest shit I have seen.
Well I was wondering
@@Mangakamen there's always maulers efap stream where they covered his star wars and spiderman takes
Fuck Cosmonaut Variety Tour all my homies HATE Cosmonaut Variety Tour.
The deaths in golden wind were actually my “favorite” not that I enjoyed people dying but it showed how people, even people close to the main character can die without a moments notice when out is such dangerous situations, there was not time to prepare, no time to even try to save them, it just happened and no matter how strong the protagonist is, he can’t save everyone
My favorite death is Shigechi. Not because I hated the crotch goblin. It showed Kira perfectly, hence why he’s my favorite villain. He’s human.
It also shows that it could’ve been easily avoidable.
Shigechi was the most hard hitting death because it shows that no one besides the main characters know he’s gone. It rings too close to reality of kids who go missing and their parents don’t know what happened to them.
Plus his death gave them a head-start to Kira at that point
@@crackerjack0349 I agree and Kayoin was pretty similar as well, I like the way all the deaths in jojos were implemented, even Avdols, its just that the deaths in part 5 were main characters, you knew some might die but you never saw it coming, especially not Narancia but yeah, while Kira isnt the strongest, he is the best villain
Hell, even Abbacchio's death ended up giving a good sight of the Boss's face to the group which actually setup their first interaction with Polnareff.
He complains about Diavolo/Doppio being introduced so late but Kira was the same. He was introduced halfway into part 4 but was hinted at as many times as Diavolo.
This.
I have erased the time of you watching Cosmos video, and Epitaph sees you having a good day
@@starscream8989 Oh no King Crimson
@@starscream8989 Why that was strangely kind of you.
and even then, the boss was built up from the beginning of part 5, whereas kira in the manga came from left field, they fixed it in the anime by adding a lot of hints
I legit don’t understand how this guy thinks the fights in part 3 suck. Is it because they aren’t throwing continents at each other and blowing up solar systems like in other anime?
Because it's just "throwing fire/punches/swords/etc" instead of nuclear physics vs biological weapon I guess
That is true, but sword fights and punchups can still be done great
The best "fight" in part 3 is the poker game imho. Sure, Jotaro's bluff is strong, but how he make Darby lost his cool is very meticulous and carefully planned.
imo some of the fights in the first half weren’t the best, but in egypt they were awesome. N’Doul, the darby brothers, Pet Shop and Anubis come to mind
@@boop53 Can't forget about the last 2 fights of the part
Fun fact: Clint Eastwood approves of Jotaro
Damn. Another underliked comment. It actually is a fun fact.
Here, take my like.
A true man of culture.
Wait, really?
@@LloydTheZephyrian there’s a photo out on the net with Clint Eastwood with Araki. It’s pretty amazing.
I mean, the man was literally the inspiration for Jotaro
His critiques are so general as to be almost worthless. Stopped listening once i realised that. Almost no insight, like most RUclips critics.
I stop following him when he defended the mandarin in Iron man 3
@@paulmajano I honestly liked what they did with Mandarin before the whole “gotcha” moment at the middle of the movie. It could have been a clever revitalization of the character and would have driven the theme of Tony being Iron Man without the suit by using his smarts instead.
It’s still sad that the best version of the Mandarin outside of comics is the version from Armored Adventures where he’s basically a Tokusatsu villain.
@@kingbash6466 you know why they did that with the mandarin? It’s because the mandarin is Chinese, Disney can’t have a villain that’s Chinese because that will upset their Chinese overlords.
@@paulmajano probably
Well, the classic Mandarin will show up in the Shang Chi film.
i wish all *part 1 enjoyers* a very pleasant evening
Thanks! You too!
Ah thank you! I hope you can have a good day too!
:-D
*tips hat*
you know they a part 1 fan if they saying enjoyers and pleasant
Guy calls himself a critic and doesn't even think about the pretext.
i’m pretty sure he’s never called himself a critic lol. he pokes fun that he’s just a nitpicking guy on youtube a lot.
I personally find Cosmo's videos to be kind of surface level. Like he never really analyses or criticises them on a deeper level but it probably stems from the fact that I don't enjoy the way he presents his content or humour that much either
I disagree.
@@Dragonage2ftw very well-constructed and well thought out argument, thanks for your contribution
Like most film critics on yt(yms 8/10 times, stickmannn, ralph, ihe, Doug walker etc.)?
Cosmo just has a more grading personality
@@Dragonage2ftw the pinnacle of debate skills ladies and gentlemen, absolutely groundbreaking.
Mista: *Funny coward*
Also Mista: *Getting shot by his own bullets without the care of blood loss against Ghiaccio*
Yeah, it's clear he didn't get it.
I hated Cosmo's videos on TLU2, Jojo, Watchmen HBO, and his takes Star Wars. He not only does shallow takes at best...he fundamentally doesn't understand why people don't like or like something. I want to say he misrepresents arguments, but I can't. He just doesn't seem to get any other viewpoint than his own...and even his own is underdeveloped.
You're very cringey.
@@Dragonage2ftw Quiet, virgin Dragonage!
You nailed it.
@@Dragonage2ftw ...why?
I don't like how you don't mention his review on mcu spider man.
Cosmonaut: Fugo is the calm cool guy
Fugo's whole backstory and reason for joining the gang is that his uncontrollable rage led to him killing his teacher. He stabs Narancia with a fork for getting a maths question wrong.
Wait didn't Fugo's teacher molested him tho, if so then killing him was sorta justified
The teacher thing is understandable tho
I mean his teacher survived, just wounded.
His stand is literally an embodiment of his anger.
Cosmonaught would like Jojo more if Dio kills Joseph with a golf club.
Oof.
Damn, i've read "Dio kills" as "Dia skills"
I mean he almost killed Jotaro with a stop sign, which’s the closest thing lol.
That would be in character for Dio.
Cringey.
So if Jotaro didn't have feelings why would he:
1) Go to a long trip to save his mother
2) lose his shit when DIO drank all of Joseph's blood
3) literally almost cry when Polnareff left (That's how I saw it)
4) mentor and care for Josuke and his friends
5) leaving his wife and daughter just to protect them from other stand users hunting him
6) choosing to save Jolyne over saving the world
How dafuq did Cosmanaut miss this (oh yeah he didn't care)
Oh and nice video Manga
Not to mention how he allowed that guy to torment him when joesphs life was on the line
@@danielshore1457 yeah exactly and also when the Crusaders are making fun of wheel of fortune he was smiling and when they realized where the user of The Sun is hiding he laughed
This is always the case with characters that are, for the most part, reserved or stoic. Kiryu from Yakuza has the same reputation by pseudo-fans. "He never smiles!" or "He's an emotional blank-slate!". No. He and Jotaro are simply the same type of character - morally just, but emotionally reserved. They express their emotions when it truly matters, not just all the time like others.
You should watch totally not mark’ s stardust crusaders review he illustrates this point perfectly
He literally went “grandad said to run but fuck that this asshole killed him and my friends, I am too pissed to let him get away”
Is he blunt, rude, and prone to violence? Yes, but he cares about the people around him.
The ENTIRE REASON he let himself get arrested at the very beginning was to keep his stand from hurting people at random.
Did he really just list heroes being weaker than villains as a bad thing? Lemme guess, this guy also defended Star Wars sequel trilogy
Then it would just ruin the whole stakes if the hero is stronger than the villain, I mean in BlazBlue imagine if Ragna was just stronger than Terumi/Susano'o in the first game? It would just ruin the whole plot on how Terumi and the villains are unbeatable villains until the third game.
Also another example imagine Goku beating Frieza without much effort like Rey did with Ren, it would suck like balls since the whole Frieza fight raised the stakes so much that during its time you have no idea what was going to happen.
I mean Hellsing Ultimate and One Punch Man are the only ones that work because the plot and the characters make the story more interesting I mean I love Saitama but the guy is kinda meh and the characters and the setting really works with it.
@@Mangakamen At that point he’s lost all credibility.
he is the type of guy who watch fantasy power isekai anime full of harem and the mc is over power.
He defended the Last Jedi, but dislike the Rise of Skywalker. In his Star Wars megareview, he did mentioned the flaws of the Last Jedi, and the Rise of Skywalker really soured his taste for the sequel trilogy.
>He did
Narancia’s death was necessary tho. It showed that Diavolo was done playing around now that the arrow was in his reach. And he was going to use literally whatever means was necessary to do that. And Narancia unfortunately had the means to possibly track him down.
Agreed