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get your game on. about aoi, no gril got a bad treatment like her in all the yu gi oh history. They made her suffer just because she was a woman. and she deserved to had a rematch against spectre.
I love Jotaro's mom. She's always so happy-go-lucky and sweet. She loves her son and sees through his fake exterior. Is she particularly well written? No. But, it almost feels like that one guy that you knew in school who's mom was always incredibly caring for him and he would vehemently defend if anyone ever said anything about.
When you started talking about how something real important is treated as an easteregg in MGS. I felt that. I also feel MGS games by and large are B-plots and fanfics of the genuine story happening around them.
Kamen, you should also talk about women characters in Kamen Rider as well, especially when it comes to some characters like Yua Yaiba AKA Kamen Rider Valkyrie from Kamen Rider Zero-One.
One of the issues with Millie is that Vivzie only seems to know how to write three kinds of characters. Those with daddy issues, those in toxic relationships and those with daddy issues who are in toxic relationships.
That’s why it works. Write what you know is advice for a reason. If you try to write a character you don’t under stand or empathize with, nobody will like it. If your range is very narrow maybe not many people will enjoy it but there will at least be some
@@gaaraxnaruExcept that Mammon, his boss, is portrayed as a sort of surrogate father to Fizz, and he's shown to be a toxic individual in his life. One scene literally has Fizz say he has to do what he says so he "doesn't let him down", the theming of "Stage Parents" is obviously there. So that argument is built on a flawed thesis, assuming that Fizz's story has absolutely nothing to do with daddy issues just because Mammon isn't blood-related to him.
Pomni actually feels pretty well-written so far. They didn't just give her anxiety and just make that her character, she can be snarky and sassy aswell and acts like a real person. Loona and other Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss characters on the other hand....
I absolutely agree with what you said + there's literally two episodes of tadc, it's not like a whole season or more and I believe as more episodes come out, the characters really start growing and who knows what's gonna be next, maybe jax in the next episode or gangle or even kinger and who knows if they eventually find a way to leave the digital world or not. Also the writing, animation, jokes and designs of this show along with other good ones like murder drones are * chef's kiss * And yeah, hazbin hotel and helluva boss... It's mid in my opinion, don't get me wrong there can be gorgeous animation and songs but the writing, character growth/designs, etc. they are honestly off putting to me but I wouldn't judge someone who likes the show & not toxic or terrible in general Also the cursing almost every single sentence got old quick, like I get that "they are in hell" but it's too much and although I don't really believe there is a heaven/hell, if there is tho I don't think imps and demons would talk like this at all. .-_-.
@@TheAlienNerd.Personally I never to this day get why people prefer Hazbin over Helluva, okay, in such defence, Helluva has two seasons, but even then, despite the not so great development with characters and whatnot with both shows, Helluva has MUCH better character development than Hazbin. Pacing wise? Both are essentially the same but Hazbin had DREADFUL pacing, it’s technically not their fault if it had to do with their time managements, but that point still stands, therefore I hope Hazbin season 2 actually has better pacing and more character development. Also, Angel Dust was literally the ONLY one who had an episode dedicated to himself that gave us more character development than all of the other characters combined. Hazbin seems far too plot based and therefore unbalanced in my opinion, like, no disrespect to Carmilla, but why should I feel sorry for her when she sang and stuff when she’s only been on screen for like 10 seconds??? 💀 I don’t often use the skull emoji but I find it’s use here to essentially emphasise the fact that it’s almost as though Vivzie and all that expected us to care, like WHO EVEN ARE CARMILLA’S DAUGHTERS?! DID THEY EVEN SPEAK ONCE?! like sure, they were in the room, but Carmilla mourning over literal statues would have made more sense and emotion compared to her daughters who literally just sat there and were of no reason to be drawn into that scene in the first place.
What if my characters objective is just... Survive.. just to live life as normal as they can while life does it's job to interfere at every moment? Is it just a slice of life or am i cooking something for real?! (In the context of the adventure genre)
@@emblemblade9245So ridiculous. Jotaro has character development throughout every part he's in. As a stoic character, it is more subtle, but it's there.
The giveaway sign of when incompetent writers try to write women is they give the woman character all the traits that would be considered "toxic masculinity" if they were written for a guy - arrogant, stoic, promiscuous, emotionally abusive, take unnecessary risks, prefer the violent solutions over diplomatic ones, potty-mouth - and then pitch that as a "strong female character".
And the thing is you can do that , dunno i thought xena the warrior proincess was literally written that way and her warlording, is toxic masculinity. Just that ita also about her growth and recovery and its a point that she has to make up for a lot, most of all to herself. That she cant forgive herself the most and has to learn to accept kindness and that. Because she kinda is toxi masculine. Or revy from black lagoon, revy is that, its just clear its out of trauma and she is a tragic character , she is badass and complex, but also tragic. She got the violence to kill anyone in a fight but is no better. I mean it can be good writing to do that, if its actually shown as flawed .
@@marocat4749 The last part is important. The framing of "strong" is part of the giveaway sign. Traits like those in a character shouldn't be framed as "strong", something to be proud of, but rather flaws. Without that framing, Revy turns into the twins in Wolfenstein Youngblood.
So they either have a parody of the male action hero as the basis or one that's at the start of a character arc yet don't include the humbling event that causes them to start their development, or worse, have the "development" be that they were already perfect and it was everyone else just holding her back.
@@marocat4749 Revi's one of the worst characters ever written & her trauma just makes it even more unforgivable that she tried to sell a kid. It's no surprise that the writer didn't understand/care about the nuance of writing an SA victim though, considering he's promoted SA drawings of Revi. He's just a gross person who likes having excuses to write gross things.
Those traits can be considered good writing, another great example besides Revy being Eva Ushiromiya from Umineko, but the important thing is to show these are FLAWS as a person and the ramifications of such.
Pomni is unironically my favourite character in TADC, her anxiety attacks are realistic and relatable, she’s kind and supportive but can also be a little snarky. She is delightful!
If anything, the main problem with TADC is that most of the other characters feel one-note. Of course, this works well in the favor of some characters (Caine and Bubble) and I really appreciate how they expanded more on Gangle’s character beyond her masks in episode 2. The others though feel like they’re losing their charm more. Of course, I could very well be wrong, but if I was, that would be very unfortunate because I’ve been working on a video essay about TADC. Being wrong would not be a good look for me Pomni is a great character though, you are right! I’m looking forward to the next episode, whenever that is.
I'm kinda weirded out by the amount of "gender doesn't matter in writing characters!" in the comments because while this approach is like... good first step, you know, thinking about them as human first male/female second, it's important to still have it in mind. It's as much as a trait as somebody's age, race, sexuality, nationality... It shouldn't define them, but it is a factor you shouldn't just completly push it to the side. It's a part of their experience in the world and good writing should take that into account. And tbh this approach can lean to "writing man, slapping boobs on them"... Or denouncing femininity of the characters, because it "doesn't matter" after all.
In a lot of situations though, that's only part of their personality the same way that sitting in chairs is part of a human's personality because chairs fit our bodies & sitting on the floor sucks It's good to keep in. A character can feminine or masculine regardless of whether they're female or male. You're right that it should be kept in mind to some degree though. Otherwise, you have characters not knowing things that basic life experience should have taught them because you forgot that their gender has different experiences from yours.
You are absolutely correct OP. It’s certainly a good reproach to the problems modern Hollywood often has with writing its females but it’s more of a baseline of progress than the end all be all
I fo agree with the statement but I also understand the method of writing a character and their struggle and deciding their gender. It really depends on the plot, story, and problem. Not all problem, character development requires gender to be a center piece. There are a lot of well written characters that can definitely be written for both male and female. ALTHOUGH gender and identity those make a characters writing more compelling and often leads to stronger relatability and impact.
I honestly think Pomni is a really well-written character. The first episode just didn’t give her enough opportunity to express what kind of person she really is.
Right now she comes across as rather onenote and "audience surrogate". They are really playing into her innonce & vulnerability which are good things to make us sympathise with her so much, with this kind of story. Right now she is kind of the absence of writing, being filled in by fanon headcanons and whatever you can picture her doing. There is no wrong answer with her.
@@anubis7457 To be fair she looked as though she was willing to help Ragatha until she touched her hand and Pomni saw her own started to glitch. Remember Ponmi was thrown into a digital world. She just met these people and is learning about the world around her. The latest episode showed her feeling more at home with these people. Slowly getting more accustomed to them. We'll probably see her open up more and more as the series continues.
I feel like one of the hardest parts about trying to write a female character nowadays is dealing with the inevitable waifu-chasers. By that, I refer to people who hate slow burns, don't want to wait for more than maybe one or two seasons for the character who they want to claim as a waifu to get over their personal issues and turn into someone they can ship with an OC or outright self insert, and end up creating this personally idealized version of the character in their minds, only to get really pissy when the character doesn't turn out like that in canon. Another thing I've noticed over time is that a lot of people who try and criticize writing choices for shows still in their early seasons are usually people who are used to writing one off, individual short stories or, for the slightly more qualified, amateur novels, rather than long, drawn out things that would last across multiple seasons' worth of time. These people really don't know quite as much of what they're talking about as they like to proclaim. Yes, you're writers, but for things that are self contained and much shorter than a show that's planned to last for several years. And finally, something that I touched on in the first part of this comment but am going to explain a bit more in depth: People hate waiting these days. I've noticed that ANY time a character from some indie webtoon or show or whatever gets a massive online following, people start scrambling to try and basically write the character themselves instead of waiting to see how things go in canon. People end up creating this idealized version of a character for themselves, and end up growing more attached to their idealized version of that character than to the actual canon version of that character, to the point that they start to feel like anything the writers for the actual show do with that character that deviates from their own idealized version of them is "bad writing". So in short, stop trying to push writers to rush character developments just so you can have your waifus, shut up and learn some patience, and for the love of god people, go outside, touch grass, and talk to some real women instead of getting overly attached to fictional female characters. I'm sorry that this is so bitingly rude, but this is stuff that's been frustrating me for a while. Yes, writing for stuff has gotten worse these days, but you know what? So have fanbases.
It’s kinda what happened to the purple bunny guy in digital circus, or maybe not, it’s more like people didn’t like him anymore because he acted like a jerk in the 1st episode.
yeah... noticed this with Wally Darling from the ARG Welcome Home. There are so many fan versions of that puppet and a scarily immediate demand to know how the creator felt about ppl sexualising their characters...
Tbh, as a woman, i dont think advise of "just write a character that happened to be a woman" is apropriate for many cases. Women and men, depending on time and location of the story, have different social expectations and pressures, their expiriences can be vastly different and(more often than not)they were raised in gendered ways. That doesn't mean that a female character should 24/7 brag about sexism,and it shouldn't be her entire character. Just dont make "I'm a woman" her defining trait
Holds true for any other group. They should be characters first and female/gay/[ethnicity] second, if not further down the list. Unfortunately, a lot of large media companies, especially here in the West, seem to like hiring people who do the opposite in recent years.
12:59 It was actually Carly’s Japanese voice actress who was in hot water. Akiza was affected by proxy because the writers tried to remove all cult aspects due to the controversy.
29:46 I’ve been thinking for a while now that Yukako was robbed of having a bigger part in finding Kira. As he essentially almost murdered Koichi, the boy she loves and does kill Aiya, the one responsible for helping her and Koichi to get together. So it seems like a missed opportunity.
Part 4 in general seems like lots of characters were meant to have much larger roles after Kira's reveal (including a panel showing all of them together with a determined look on their face) but for whatever reason, that idea got dropped and the remainder of that series only had Josuke and Rohan as the main characters for the most part (with Koichi getting one battle vs Sheer Heart Attack and Yukako getting the Cinderalla one which wasn't related to Kira at all and that's it). Part 8, which is practically the Part 4 of the new timeline, ended up having the same issue, probably for the same reasons (likely Araki wanted a large cast of good guys like Part 4 but ended up being unable to utilize it, again like Part 4)
@@KirbyFrontier Part 4 fell into the 'villain of the week' trap after the Kira reveal, characters outside of the very main cast stopped appearing in arcs or getting more development. Okuyasu got done firty af tbh, one of the presumed main characters and he's constantly sidelined. The RHCP arc was looking good, but in the end it didn't really matter because Okuyasu's arc didn't get resolved at all, he didn't get any closure, didn't learn anything new, iirc he didn't even participate in the final battle against RHCP. Him accidentally letting Yoshihiro escape seemed like a beginning to an episode focusing on him and his insecurities about being 'dumb' and naive, but nothing came out of it. Okuyasu doesn't even get a real battle aside from his introduction arc and he barely uses The hand at all.
I feel the issue I have with female characters is that they are usually forced to be a Love Interest. Their plotlines is revolving around romance, their partner, or something bad happens to them to affect their partner. They are the wife, the girlfriend, the lost lenore, or the love interest. It be nice if they can do stuff not related to romance.
Your words at the beginning remind me of Star Wars The Acolyte. At least from what I’ve seen, all of the women are stoic and inexpressive. They don’t have any human parts to them, a personality, likes & dislikes. I think that’s why the ‘strong female’ archetype has largely been loathed as of late. Cause of a lack of humanity and feeling like real people to be relatable. Hey Loona and Milly may not have the deepest characters but at least they have humanity in them, personality, relationships, etc.
Forgot. Jujutsu's only skilled female sorcerer in season 2 ended into incest... Ugghh... There was also a bluehaired girl who seemed to have a Lot in development only to end with pseudo Geto casually breaking her weapon
[spoilers for season 2] Jjk female characters aren't as well written as people claim, after 1st season ends the Kyoto school is forgotten about and everyone either dies or fades into the background. I gotta admit the finale of s1 was great and really set Nobara apart from your typical shonen female characters, but she did nothing after that. Generally, I'd say most of the characters in JJK suffer from wasted potential.
This never seemed hard to me. Don't write female characters. Write an entire character and give them female traits. The important part is an entire character, motivations, histories, flaws, strengths and things they're just kinda meh at. All of this is needed for a full fleshed out character, male, female or whatever the hell they are.
EXACTLY, this is always how I’ve done things no matter what character I’m writing. First comes the purpose they serve in the most general sense, then comes their personality and how they act, react, and interact with the world and characters around them, and THEN comes less impactful details like gender, sexuality, and visual design, because they aren’t as important to the character themself, they’re nuances to what should already be established
Good timing. Stolas is so annoying and appology tour totally vindicated his bad behavior, like, dubconning Blitz and being classist/speciesist to imps. So I cannot wait for the Stolas video. I hope you touch on appology tour too, even though it just came out
Yeah, that really annoyed me. Stola acknowledged his mistakes in the previous episode & tried to be better only for the new episode to be like "Just kidding. Everything is Blitzo's fault. See, people literally hold a house party every year to celebrate their hatred of Blitzo because he's so terrible." They even tried to make us feel bad for Verosika (a sex predator) just so we'd think Blitzo is even more awful by comparison.
@D_YellowMadness i disagree with your take on Verosika, I actually think Blitz is wrong about a lot and very flawed, I like that character aspect And the people he hurt at the party, like Verosika are valid. My issue is that Stolas doesn't belong there. Stolas is not an innocent party who got hurt, he actively behaved badly and Blitz treated him likewise. Then Stolas got mad that Blitz didn't Romanticize the sex he was forced to have. He is not sympathetic, Blitz is not always the victim, but with Stolas he was
@@BeeRitualI've never considered either of them victims in their arrangement. Blitz broke in and came on to Stolas while the latter was backing away and told him they shouldn't be doing this, then gave him a mercy screw for the sake of stealing the book. And he strung Stolas along knowing he has the bigger reputation to lose if they get caught. Stolas was definitely wrong to use that one night stand for monthly sex thereafter, but they've both been selfish users to each other from day 1.
@megankissinger8269 Blitz had to steal the book because imps are second-class citizens without the power and durability of the royal ruling class. Stolas has influence but never care about the lesser classes who suffer under this caste system. Stolas is a nepo baby born into riches and privlage while Blitz struggled and worked his whole life for what he has now. But in their relationship, Stolas isolated Blitz in his bedroom and came onto him FIRST, Blitz responded "ew" but went with it when he saw an opportunity to get the book. Stolas got nervous because he's never been with a man but at no point did he not want the forward flirting, he is like superman levels of overpowered, he could have stopped Blitz at any moment. But Blitz couldn't say no to Stolas without risking the book being withheld. I don't think stolas did that on purpose, but it's a fact none the less. Blitz doesn't know how Stolas would react to being rejected, all his knowledge about royals tells him it probably won't go good. So every every point Stolas has all the power and Blitz has none, which is why the deal is inherently dub-con and consent cannot exist in that situation
@@BeeRitual While it's true imps are second class citizens, that doesn't mean he's entitled to other people's belongings. Stolas was under no obligation to let him have the book just because he's rich and privileged. It's illegal and risky for both of them. Stolas also kept backing away when Blitz was coming on to him and questioned if they should even be doing this. Blitz got him down on the bed anyway. I get Stolas has held power over Blitz and treated him like a sex object, and he owes Blitz a massive apology. Blitz has also been using him knowing he's at risk to lose everything if he gets caught over loaning out the book, and he was stringing him along after Ozzie's. The fact that he was breaking the law and didn't care about the effect on Stolas makes him at best marginally better.
Or that she was trauma bonding with him, maybe Pomni has been like that from the start, she's just panicking. And you can't think straight when you're panicking
@@Annie-wy5mc I guess so. But don't you think it's kinda weird or odd that a character (more specifically the main character of a show) gets like 2 episodes of character development? Like I'm aware that some characters in a show need development but don't you think it's a little too fast to develop?
Off topic but 2:08 Oooooh a Stolas Terrible Characters video would be delicious for me to chew on. I'm inches away from grilling him on a stove and it's not even funny.
I don’t know if I’d call it exactly completely awful. There are times when Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss have endeared me to their characters. Moreso I’d call it scatterbrained writing that makes up an inconsistent puzzle. Some pieces are gems while others are slop.
Bruh… in the latest episode of Helluva Boss, they have Martha and Miss Mayberry as a lesbian couple. Vivzipop shipped the sinner with the lady who MURDERED HER FAMILY AND SENT HER TO HELL LMAOOOOOO That is SUCH A TUMBLR MOVE I CANT 😭 😭 😭
@@heffyhoof I’ve called Helluva Boss the “Animated Tumblr Blog written by a porn addict” Seriously, considering Vivziepop can’t handle criticism, her writing has never improved. She’s stuck in her edgey phase and still writes both Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel like she wrote Zoophobia. It all makes sense 💀
Yu-Gi-Oh's issues arguably largely stem from the influence of Yoshida Shin, who basically took the mantle as the main creative director after Takahashi retired from the franchise. The guy outright admits he is uncomfortable with writing female characters and he obviously has issues with playing favorites. As soon as the Bridge series started they came out swinging with a whole lineup of great female characters and the largest complaint that can be hedged against the Bridge anime on a character writing perspective is that it has so many characters that are worth following it's really hard to balance out the screentime.
Funny, but I feel like SEVENS had that problem more than GO RUSH. SEVENS had a bigger cast and several of them, who are important, had to be left aside or put in the background since the focus had to be placed on the Main Group (see Goha Siblings) GO RUSH does not have a very large cast, but it knows who its Main Characters are and who its recurring Supporting Characters are. The rest is a complement or is in the background.
I don’t think Millie and Loona lack motivation. Millie is a working girl, her motivation is earning a paycheck while she coincidentally gets to work alongside the husband she adores doing a job she’s good at and coincidentally keeping him alive. You can argue that’s not a very interesting character because she’s already achieved her immediate goals and that’s fair but that doesn’t make her a badly written character. Actually she’s rather refreshing next to the drama llamas the series likes to focus on.
"You can argue that’s not a very interesting character because she’s already achieved her immediate goals and that’s fair but that doesn’t make her a badly written character. Actually she’s rather refreshing next to the drama llamas the series likes to focus on." You do realize you don't need to make her into a drama llama to make her a compelling character, hell, I'd argue the fact that she's got nothing going on other than a paycheck is actually pretty boring, and to say that it's 'refreshing' shows a lot more issues with the series than just her. And I noticed that you didn't say a thing about Loona, even though you brought her up.
Sometimes, having a character that doesn't change much is a good thing, even a character driven story. People like them exist. They get by, and are happy enough with their lot and no outlying goals to push themselves or motivate them enough; if they are satisfied, there's no need. Not everyone is overtly driven once they reach a certain point. Though i think it helps when other characters acknowledge that the static character becomes a kind of grounded stability to those who's lives are in upheaval. Like "oh thank goodness this place/person is still the same." The consistency and familarity is comforting, even if it can be seen as frustrating to some depending on the personality. You don't have to be surly and rude to be tough. Some of the nicest people are the stoic ones, who know others count on them and rely on them in varying ways. You don't always need personal tragedy to have empathy or give good advice.
Always found it interesting that you use the colors red and blue in thumbnails. Pretty certain in Eastern media (Anime for example), red is used to represent the good and blue represents the bad. Now that might not be always the case, but you can see it happening in multiple anime, a big example being Naruto (Naruto is red while Sasuke is blue).
same with Ichigo and uryu from bleach just with the hair Ichigo is a red head and uryu has blue hair if you haven't seen the thousand year blood war it kinda makes sense
arcane on netflix was some of the best well written female characters i have ever seen in animated media the whole show is 10 out of good so if u haven't seen it do yourself a favor rly good show
"My written women are purposely bad because it is part of the plot. Get rekt critics!" - some guy purposely writing women wrong because it is part of the plot.
I'm going through Lost Judgment myself at the moment. I want to mention that there is an Eastern approach to writing female characters that is different to Western writers. That is what is feminine is a little different. Recognizing what both are helps raise awareness for feminine traits to write women. I think you'd have made a stronger point if you had focused on what's feminine about these women. For example had Jolene have been a boy, what would be different about being in prison? What feminine strengths benefits Jolene character now that she's in this tough situation?
being "human" is cringe, it's being compelling that matters. they can be as simple as a one note gag or as complex as a full blown philosophical perspective. you can have a character that is outright inhuman, but they have to have something compelling and they can easily become good.
Correction on 5ds. They didn’t cut the last part because of content, there was a license dispute between 4kids and the distributors. Legally they couldn’t make the final part.
But don’t you sort or need some characters that aren’t well fleshed out and stuff? Ones that are ultimately more narrative tools or background dressing or whatever? There is only so much you can flesh out after all, and that has the chance to fractal out as they’ve met more people who, of no focus is shifted to them., become that themselves.
I have to wonder due to your immense hatred of Crow Hogan, if you hold similar animosity towards VRAINS Homura Takeru (Theodore Hamilton in the dub) aka Soulburner who in my opinion is a worse Crow, who comes out of nowhere to literally sideline both Go Onizuka and Aoi Zaizen.
Yeah, I can't write female characters, or indeed any characters at all. Being both autistic and sheltered, there's no way I can hope to write about a fictional character's hopes, dreams, desires, goals, likes, dislikes, history, and relationships,when 90% of the time, I couldn't even tell you what MY hopes, dreams, etc. are, and the other 10% of the time my answer is "Why is that important?" I can't write characters, only hollow shells, because I myself am a hollow shell.
Also did I heard that right, Knights of Hanoi?! Are they from Vietnam or something? Yes I'm never watch Vrains and any other Yugioh anime sequels, I'm only watched the original anime.
No, it's an allegory to the "Towers of Hanoi" puzzle, where you start with a pile of disks on the leftmost of 3 poles and are tasked with moving all of said discs to the rightmost pole, while following set rules. In fact, the location of the final duel of Season 1 between the protagonist and the Rival/S1 antagonist happens on top of a tower called the "Tower of Hanoi", which would destroy the whole virtual world if the antagonist wasn't stopped. Where this reference sits in together is that supposedly the Towers of Hanoi puzzle was based on an old legend, where if the puzzle was successfully solved the world would end, so you can see how it *kinda* links together.
as a former yugioh fan this thumbnail gave me ptsd (Now Aoi's mistreatment wasn't the only ISSUE I have with VRAINS let alone the only issue with the franchise but her mistreament represents the BIGGEST problem with VRAINS any time it had the chance to do ANYTHING interesting it chooses to put everyone on a bus so a gary stu who is an unlikable asshole with no traits other than I'm an asshole can solo everything Aoi's arc sounds amazign on paper but nope)
@@thatman666 I genuinely don't know whose worse Yusei or Yusaku both have a lot of the same issues but Yusei has almost no personality beyond generic good guy where as Yusaku is an asshole
I think an online web series that does a female character justice, is gwain saga, particularly when they gave lanney an arc, and especially when ami showed that she was capable of taking care of herself in the 8th episode. anyway, I wrote this comment to convince you to go and rewatch gwain saga.
In terms of side female characters being written well in relation to the Helluvaboss situation, Hikari from Digimon Adventure is written well and does not take away from Sora or Mimi. She is loyal as hell to her brother Taichi and will fight no matter how weak she is or how strong the opponent is. She leaves a lasting memory after the first season. I don't how bad Tori Meadows fan service was in Zexal as I stopped watching yugioh once the series got started, but Nene Amano from the Digimon Xros Wars manga got major service and she is to believed to be around the same age as Tori. Good video
Isn't Digimon Xros Wars one the more controversial Digimon series that turned off a lot of fans and afterwards the series after that era just became mediocre?
@@ryanaing5302 Yes from what I heard. When I watched as it was airing I enjoyed though the Sequel boys leap through time was messy. It didn't have traditional evolution methods and the power scaling was all over the place. I will do more research on why it was hated.
@aptheweirdone Probably has something to do with how Bandai is producing and promoting the shows and the whole structure and story of Fusion/Xros Wars, both sub and dub. Let's not forget the atrocious recent series, Ghost Game, a more polarizing show that have people argue over serialized vs episodic that has gotten annoying after that ended.
A character who is already perfect and can do no wrong is a character with no story. Characters are meant to develop and learn from their experiences, especially their faults. It's why girl-boss characters are terrible, because they preach this flawed and straight up wrong belief that there are no consequences for oneself except for everyone else.
I've created many female characters lately, as I've come to learn a bit more about myself. As such I was terrified all the way through this to imagine what you'd say about my writing. It's tough for me to even think about as for one, she has had quite a lot go on in her life that her being a woman really takes a backseat, until she ends up pregnant. Something she's not at all thrilled about because she doesn't want anything getting in the way of her adventures, but her boyfriend really sees this as so positive, due to their opposing ways of being brought up. I don't think I'd say she's mannish and her boyfriend is girly, but I can see this thought being had when you look at it from a simplified perspective. I don't know if this means I'm writing her well, or not, because she's just not very girly... But she absolutely deals with things only a female character can. Then there's the character who as I was writing, I realised I'd made a trans woman. Probably not a good sign I didn't notice it instantly as the writer, but yeah, she's trans, and because I did not plan it out her story makes me cringe a little. You can see the path the leads her to where she is, it makes sense, it shows what drives her and I really like how I wrote her. But she has a lot of problems, mostly intentionally, the flaws you WANT in a character you know. So like, I guess I shouldn't feel bothered that her upbringing and her being trans falls into the rougher parts of her life. Yet I can't help but feel guilty that it IS there, right next to her trust issues, her anger issues... It's a... flaw. It's hard to know how I should handle it from here. I don't think anyone would be happy if I treated it as roughly as her other qualities. Writing female characters is absolutely writing on Hard Mode. It might help if I knew any women, but despite over 30 years of life, I constantly cannot find any women who have any interests in art, writing, or anything else. They've all been... Oh god. They've all been poorly written caricatures who only cared about their looks or money or popularity. Oh no. I'm wracking my brain to think of even ONE who goes against this. But every creative place I've been to has been barren of women. The only odd one outs that come to mind was an 'artist' who had a sparkledog OC, and a goth girl who baked cupcakes until she vanished to become a young teen mother. Ugh... If I drew from experience then half my female characters would be young mothers... Wait does my first character count as that?! This is the worst moment of overthinking ever.
07:58 - 08:19 Man I kinda feel bad about that editor having a breakdown after editing the Yugioh segment AGAIN. Not to mention the segement was about six pages long, at that point I wonder if the editor goes to a therapist after that.
Ive seen good and bad women and men in literature but it seems like those who make an attempt in the name of taking a stand for women or a male feminist often fall super flat plus it comes across sad. There are tonnes of great women characters from before this was even a concept. Take casca from berserk. Excellent charachter in a male dominated world who still is strong without it coming over forced...
Until the writer had her get SA'd & basically become a feral animal even though none of the male characters became feral animals when they got SA'd. All for the sake of the character arcs of Guts & Griffith.
@@D_YellowMadness Exactly lmao, I was surprised to see Casca here because apparently a woman being a knight is a qualification enough to be an 'excellent character'/'great woman', when in reality we never see her actual combat prowess as it's often overshadowed by guts with a lewd moment or whatever and the entire story places her as a plot device to drive forward the tension of guts and Griffith, of which Griffith raped Casca and would "enjoy it" even without the god hand (author's words), Casca basically tries to pursue Griffith all along the story and decides to get with Guts after realizing she can't. Basically a non personality that encapsulates the chasing damsel who is constantly rescued also when she was mindfucked until she eventually got repaired with Guts' help.
I genuinely don't understand this. Writing women badly is bad obviously, but also if you don't write women at all even though you know you're bad at it, that's also bad??? What does anyone actually want?
I will be taking notes, because it is a difficult balance. As someone said to me, you aren’t just one personality. I like your perspective on writing especially the yugioh girl series. The thing I usually hold them back is not role I will try not use Lillie, but has a goal to help Nebby and later grow to be a trainer for hereself, changing to help her mother. She isn’t a lead but a secondary protagonist. Another character I love, it is not Yugioh Zexal… #Cathybetter But 5D, the opposite signer Misty Tredwell Her goal (in the dub) may have been one note as minor antagonist, all of her act from wanting her brother back to her. Later move on and befriend with Akiza after realizing she is not the true culprit and go someone else All that hate soon become wanting to atone surrender All I can say, Get your game on!!! Also hmm… Can I be Aka Lil Blue Soda Girl now
Hey, I don't suck at writing women. There are way too many of them with different character traits and goals for EVERY SINGLE ONE of them to be badly written from a single perspective or ideal. Rosetta in particular is one of my best. She's promiscuous, yes, but far from being clingy or overly lusty. Harsh, but not heartless, and certainly not emotionless. Likes liquor, and consistently holds to the trait. Finally, she has a reasonable goal that ties her to rivals and antagonist. Is she strong? She's an oc. Take a wild guess.
i watch a 40 minute video just to get a lesson that i already form after your first exemple... it made for a good laugh still the exemples you showcase were interesting to explore
Man, the shots at Zexal will never not bug me, but the one about Tori is something I agree with. Well, that's what opinions are, as its my third favorite yugioh series its characters and Yuma, in my opinion, having some of the best growth out of yugioh protags. But hey, great video as always Kamen. Honestly, this was a nice topic of discussion, cause at the end of the day, male and female characters are just that. They're characters, concepts, and just like a fine piece of art, it takes effort and care to make something that's not dull or super poor. Be it protag or side character, just a bit of effort goes a long way into making a character feel less one note. It might not be the best end, but that's okay, there's always room to improve as long as you try, just as long as you put the care and love into make it something you can be proud of. And honestly, if you're worried about fudging something, asking for help or opinions is still an option. Not the wisest of words but this is what i believe for anything you enjoy doing honestly.
As a Zexal fan, I agree with this comment. Zexal had such good characters and storylines that the dub just butchered. It was so bad that people treated Zexal like a plague for years. In a weird twist of irony, the show that was about an underdog fighting the overwhelming cosmic odds stacked against him because an underdog in the franchise.
@@esteban8471The underdog is moreso the Yu-gi-oh IP itself outside the physical card game. It very much vanished from public contiousness after 5DS and the audience is more interessted in saying it sucks period than to give it a chance of a proper comeback. Though more specifically on Zexal, it is at least very popular in japan, so that is something at least.
Unfortunately there's 2 major factors working against Zexal's favour, namely: 1) Out of all the Yugioh Franchises, it starts out the worst. The opening Season of Zexal is a massive stain on a show that would eventually become rather compelling. 2) Power Creep in the actual card game was accelerating quite rapidly, and XYZ monsters in particular were a highly noticeable power jump. The issue here comes with that alienating people who liked playing AND watching the show. The most unfortunate thing is that the XYZ mechanic itself isn't inherently unbalanced, but it was the start of many cards (both XYZ and non-XYZ) getting bloated effects. It's not entirely justified hate, since really Blackwings and Infernity (both 5ds archetypes) paved the way for power creep before XYZ, but it was just there right out of the gate. For me, out of the first 6 Yugioh Anime (not including the rush duels duels stuff), Zexal sits firmly in 5th place, only being ahead of Arc-V. That's not because I hate it, but more because getting through it DID feel like I was forcing myself to watch till it got good.
@@sirensoulegaming4158Respectfully speaking out of curiosity, would that first argument not make GX worse? At least with Zexal it took a dozen or so episodes for Kaito to show up, and by extension the plot to start. In comparison, most of GX's first season was fluff and filler with the only interesting thing being Chazz's character arc before we were finally introduced to the Shadow Riders, with the only interesting among them being Camula.
@@esteban8471 Been a long time since I watched Zexal and I don't really want to erroneously comment on things about it that grated me more than GX. From what I do remember though, Zexal was trying to be more light hearted humour while wasting absolutely no time in introducing Astral and him talking about Yuma needing to get the number cards and there's this sense of greater destiny. It's a bit weird and a dissonant mix on my mind. Conveniently he's lost his memory too (which unfortunately is one of my most hated plot devices of all time, it's so cliche, like they already did this in the first yugioh with pharaoh Atem and I wasn't a fan of it then either). I remember not being a huge fan of these things. Will not speak more on this since I don't remember too much of how Zexal started, only how it ended. Meanwhile Yugioh GX didn't pretend to be much more than a light hearted anime about card games when it first started. Just some kids going to a school, playing games and at worst the stakes for losing might be expulsion, or something. It SLOWLY started to get more serious until eventually we get the whole arc with the shadow riders, but prior to then it was more focused on what personalities the characters had and how they related to eachother. The fact that it's really light hearted fun at the start ends up being an important juxtaposition for the existential life-threatening/World-ending Jaden/Judai would eventually have to endure. Instead of us needing to be shown any of this in a flashback, we don't need it because we've already experienced it. Arc - V also tries to do this thing where duels at the start are relatively low stakes and then later talks about the whole "dueling should be for fun" thing but fails to do this where GX succeeds, although I think it's clear to anyone who has watched arc-V why exactly they get it so wrong. Critiques of shows aside, GX also happens to be a personal weak spot for me because it was one of two yugioh shows that was airing while I was really within the target audience (the other show being 5ds). Regardless of this I still place it 4th because in hindsight there's still plenty of things wrong with it, like for instance the protagonist getting way more screen time and share of duels than in any other yugioh franchise, leading to missed opportunities for other characters (ALEXIS should have been the one to duel nightshroud and save Attticus, not Jaden, just one example of a missed opportunity), and also because GX started the trend of releasing new cast members late into a show which take time away from original cast that still needed development (Bastion and Alexis both deserved way more than they got, and season 3 in particular gave us the 4 new exchange student duelists, who it felt like damn near sidelined the entire original cast once they were introduced). It also didn't help that when I rewatched it as an adult and being better at steategising and the actual card game, that many times the characters will comment on part of a duelists strategy flat out erroneously and the audience is supposed to just buy this (biggest example of this I can think of is when Jaden and Syrus Duel the Paradox brothers. The amount of flack syrus gets from other characters in that duel irritates me no end, if he didn't play the way he did they would have lost that duel for sure). Kid me didn't care of course, it's only in hindsight I really care lol.
*Female Characters. AHHHHHH. Usually I have to correct people to say "women" instead of "females", but in this instance, you'd say "female characters" because "female" is an adjective whereas "women characters" is two nouns next to each other. No hate tho ;-;
What about male? Nothing wrong with female/male at all. I can only think of one scenario where it is - where you say one, but the other as "woman/man", insinuating a distance in humanity. There's a whole subreddit about "men and females" because incels are so brain damaged and they use that language a lot.
@@casualdanattemptsAccording to modern political beliefs, they aren't, because the only separation between men and women according to them is your own decision at any given moment. Meaning that everyone's a woman if you think about it. And you know what they say: when everyone's a woman, nobody is.
@@MoostachedSaiyanPrince Though given that there's a plethora of policies that come from the foundation of, and therefore imply to be the case, that Women are disadvantaged, there's no logically sound and rational reasoning to be a woman. To choose to be disadvantaged in doing so is Very irrational, like choosing to sever your own limb.
You see, men and women are treated differently in society and this can shape their personality, their reactions to what society tells them are also very important because this also shapes personality, for example, a woman can completely refuse something that society tells her or reconsider her installations.
At a glance, I'd say it's because I'm a man with no way of having a first-hand account of being a woman. And yet, so rarely is a woman accused of writing a man poorly. I'm chalking that up to how women in general rarely are in a script-writer's room to begin with.
Eh, I think it has to do a few factors. We've got tons of male led stories, and as a culture we tend to focus on men as the everyday person. With so many examples it's easier to write a man even if you have no personal experience. Plus we tend to be more critical of women, and that includes fictional ones. If Male X is written badly, you'll get videos on 'why X is badly written'. If Female Y is badly written you'll get 'Y: Why the author can't write women".
AY. AY. HOW DARE YOU SKIP GHOST GIRL. Ghost Girl was given a literal copy of a TOURNAMENT WINNING version of her deck, and they DELIBERATELY MADE HER MISPLAY. She TARGETED an UNTARGETABLE monster, and lost!
Also I wanna say that unfortunately, YuGiOh protagonists are at the mercy of the product. Blue Angel plays Trickstars, and AT THE TIME they had to hit Trickstars on the banlist quite hard, which also means that they have to show Trickstars LOSING to make it go away in popularity. It's the same reason why they had to swap Go Onizuka had to swap off Gouki to Dinowrestlers - artificial diversification and encouragement to buy product
I mean it’s hard to write a compelling female character who is literally a walking corpse t-800’d and not ment to be nothing more than a machine of war
To be fair if you want good female character writing from yugioh look to the two Studio Bridge seasons. If I have an accurate enough read on what kind of yugioh fan you are, you probably have not even attempted to engage with them, so this might be a good enough prompt to?
Get your game on Get your game on Get your game on Also didn't see all of zexal but what i have seen didnt know tori was sexualized. Then again was more focused on Dextra and Akari. Even Cathy, Anne, and Rio seemed more interesting than Tori.
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get your game on. about aoi, no gril got a bad treatment like her in all the yu gi oh history. They made her suffer just because she was a woman. and she deserved to had a rematch against spectre.
I love Jotaro's mom. She's always so happy-go-lucky and sweet. She loves her son and sees through his fake exterior. Is she particularly well written? No. But, it almost feels like that one guy that you knew in school who's mom was always incredibly caring for him and he would vehemently defend if anyone ever said anything about.
When you started talking about how something real important is treated as an easteregg in MGS. I felt that.
I also feel MGS games by and large are B-plots and fanfics of the genuine story happening around them.
Kamen, you should also talk about women characters in Kamen Rider as well, especially when it comes to some characters like Yua Yaiba AKA Kamen Rider Valkyrie from Kamen Rider Zero-One.
You could cut off over half of that first link and still get there, you know.
One of the issues with Millie is that Vivzie only seems to know how to write three kinds of characters. Those with daddy issues, those in toxic relationships and those with daddy issues who are in toxic relationships.
Say it louder for those in the back
Fizz is none of those, though. I think that's why he stands out so much, lol.
That’s why it works. Write what you know is advice for a reason. If you try to write a character you don’t under stand or empathize with, nobody will like it. If your range is very narrow maybe not many people will enjoy it but there will at least be some
@@csrjjsmp Vivsie's got talent. I want to see her broaden and mature her writing skills.
@@gaaraxnaruExcept that Mammon, his boss, is portrayed as a sort of surrogate father to Fizz, and he's shown to be a toxic individual in his life. One scene literally has Fizz say he has to do what he says so he "doesn't let him down", the theming of "Stage Parents" is obviously there. So that argument is built on a flawed thesis, assuming that Fizz's story has absolutely nothing to do with daddy issues just because Mammon isn't blood-related to him.
Can't suck at writting women if you don't write about women to begin with,
Checkmate
Or just not write with the gender in mind
@@dominocut2963Don’t write gender. Only write about neuter aliens.
genius!
@@anubis7457 EXACTLY
@@anubis7457Orks Warhammer 40k
Pomni actually feels pretty well-written so far. They didn't just give her anxiety and just make that her character, she can be snarky and sassy aswell and acts like a real person. Loona and other Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss characters on the other hand....
I absolutely agree with what you said + there's literally two episodes of tadc, it's not like a whole season or more and I believe as more episodes come out, the characters really start growing and who knows what's gonna be next, maybe jax in the next episode or gangle or even kinger and who knows if they eventually find a way to leave the digital world or not. Also the writing, animation, jokes and designs of this show along with other good ones like murder drones are * chef's kiss *
And yeah, hazbin hotel and helluva boss... It's mid in my opinion, don't get me wrong there can be gorgeous animation and songs but the writing, character growth/designs, etc. they are honestly off putting to me but I wouldn't judge someone who likes the show & not toxic or terrible in general
Also the cursing almost every single sentence got old quick, like I get that "they are in hell" but it's too much and although I don't really believe there is a heaven/hell, if there is tho I don't think imps and demons would talk like this at all. .-_-.
@@TheAlienNerd.Personally I never to this day get why people prefer Hazbin over Helluva, okay, in such defence, Helluva has two seasons, but even then, despite the not so great development with characters and whatnot with both shows, Helluva has MUCH better character development than Hazbin. Pacing wise? Both are essentially the same but Hazbin had DREADFUL pacing, it’s technically not their fault if it had to do with their time managements, but that point still stands, therefore I hope Hazbin season 2 actually has better pacing and more character development.
Also, Angel Dust was literally the ONLY one who had an episode dedicated to himself that gave us more character development than all of the other characters combined. Hazbin seems far too plot based and therefore unbalanced in my opinion, like, no disrespect to Carmilla, but why should I feel sorry for her when she sang and stuff when she’s only been on screen for like 10 seconds??? 💀 I don’t often use the skull emoji but I find it’s use here to essentially emphasise the fact that it’s almost as though Vivzie and all that expected us to care, like WHO EVEN ARE CARMILLA’S DAUGHTERS?! DID THEY EVEN SPEAK ONCE?! like sure, they were in the room, but Carmilla mourning over literal statues would have made more sense and emotion compared to her daughters who literally just sat there and were of no reason to be drawn into that scene in the first place.
@@Okus477 The reason Hazbin
@@anonymousapproximation8549 What? But both shows do? Unless I’m not getting something?
@@Okus477 Lesbian Couple
"write a character and his objective, everything else comes second"
i think that should be the modus operandi for writing characters
Like a dead inside husk of a skull that demands motivation from a world that doesn't exist in his mind?
That's what my brain feels like.
@@phorchybug3286 emo brain maxxing
sounds like a villain would be easier to do this for especially if theyre not human like sukuna
You are right on the money, my friend.
What if my characters objective is just... Survive.. just to live life as normal as they can while life does it's job to interfere at every moment?
Is it just a slice of life or am i cooking something for real?! (In the context of the adventure genre)
Lately my process of writing women has been writing a character first and then flip a coin to decide gender
I respect your method.
Sounds kinda fun to be honest
Seriously writing a character is writhing a character! It wouldn’t matter who I wrote for though, because I’m not a good writer XD.
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Same
I then realized i'm bad at DRAWING women
I love how Jolyne grows as a female protagonist from the beginning to end. That's why she's my favorite Jojo after her own dad, Jotaro.
Jolyne’s growth is amazing and it makes me so mad when people act like Johnny is the only Jojo with character development
@@emblemblade9245So ridiculous. Jotaro has character development throughout every part he's in. As a stoic character, it is more subtle, but it's there.
And Jonathan? From a weak rich kid to a badass monster slaying gentlemen, sure it isn't a lot but its srkll something
What about Gappy? My boy has so much development yet just a few people talk about him
@@VaclavRytina well he had to literally develop character, as he was no one
The giveaway sign of when incompetent writers try to write women is they give the woman character all the traits that would be considered "toxic masculinity" if they were written for a guy - arrogant, stoic, promiscuous, emotionally abusive, take unnecessary risks, prefer the violent solutions over diplomatic ones, potty-mouth - and then pitch that as a "strong female character".
And the thing is you can do that , dunno i thought xena the warrior proincess was literally written that way and her warlording, is toxic masculinity. Just that ita also about her growth and recovery and its a point that she has to make up for a lot, most of all to herself. That she cant forgive herself the most and has to learn to accept kindness and that. Because she kinda is toxi masculine.
Or revy from black lagoon, revy is that, its just clear its out of trauma and she is a tragic character , she is badass and complex, but also tragic. She got the violence to kill anyone in a fight but is no better.
I mean it can be good writing to do that, if its actually shown as flawed .
@@marocat4749 The last part is important. The framing of "strong" is part of the giveaway sign. Traits like those in a character shouldn't be framed as "strong", something to be proud of, but rather flaws. Without that framing, Revy turns into the twins in Wolfenstein Youngblood.
So they either have a parody of the male action hero as the basis or one that's at the start of a character arc yet don't include the humbling event that causes them to start their development, or worse, have the "development" be that they were already perfect and it was everyone else just holding her back.
@@marocat4749 Revi's one of the worst characters ever written & her trauma just makes it even more unforgivable that she tried to sell a kid. It's no surprise that the writer didn't understand/care about the nuance of writing an SA victim though, considering he's promoted SA drawings of Revi. He's just a gross person who likes having excuses to write gross things.
Those traits can be considered good writing, another great example besides Revy being Eva Ushiromiya from Umineko, but the important thing is to show these are FLAWS as a person and the ramifications of such.
Pomni is unironically my favourite character in TADC, her anxiety attacks are realistic and relatable, she’s kind and supportive but can also be a little snarky. She is delightful!
If anything, the main problem with TADC is that most of the other characters feel one-note. Of course, this works well in the favor of some characters (Caine and Bubble) and I really appreciate how they expanded more on Gangle’s character beyond her masks in episode 2. The others though feel like they’re losing their charm more. Of course, I could very well be wrong, but if I was, that would be very unfortunate because I’ve been working on a video essay about TADC. Being wrong would not be a good look for me
Pomni is a great character though, you are right! I’m looking forward to the next episode, whenever that is.
Me, who doesn't write anything that makes a single lick of sense:
I don't have such weakness
Is it possible to learn such power?
@@Duality2222-2Hook up a random number generator to a dictionary
@@Duality2222-2 Not from a surrealist
I'm kinda weirded out by the amount of "gender doesn't matter in writing characters!" in the comments because while this approach is like... good first step, you know, thinking about them as human first male/female second, it's important to still have it in mind. It's as much as a trait as somebody's age, race, sexuality, nationality... It shouldn't define them, but it is a factor you shouldn't just completly push it to the side. It's a part of their experience in the world and good writing should take that into account. And tbh this approach can lean to "writing man, slapping boobs on them"... Or denouncing femininity of the characters, because it "doesn't matter" after all.
In a lot of situations though, that's only part of their personality the same way that sitting in chairs is part of a human's personality because chairs fit our bodies & sitting on the floor sucks It's good to keep in. A character can feminine or masculine regardless of whether they're female or male.
You're right that it should be kept in mind to some degree though. Otherwise, you have characters not knowing things that basic life experience should have taught them because you forgot that their gender has different experiences from yours.
Not all women are "feminine" though... Whatever that means... It's different all over the world...
@@PGOuma Where did I say that they are?
You are absolutely correct OP. It’s certainly a good reproach to the problems modern Hollywood often has with writing its females but it’s more of a baseline of progress than the end all be all
I fo agree with the statement but I also understand the method of writing a character and their struggle and deciding their gender. It really depends on the plot, story, and problem. Not all problem, character development requires gender to be a center piece. There are a lot of well written characters that can definitely be written for both male and female. ALTHOUGH gender and identity those make a characters writing more compelling and often leads to stronger relatability and impact.
I honestly think Pomni is a really well-written character. The first episode just didn’t give her enough opportunity to express what kind of person she really is.
Right now she comes across as rather onenote and "audience surrogate". They are really playing into her innonce & vulnerability which are good things to make us sympathise with her so much, with this kind of story. Right now she is kind of the absence of writing, being filled in by fanon headcanons and whatever you can picture her doing. There is no wrong answer with her.
@@pickyphysicsstudent201 Seeing as there's been only 1 ep aside from the pilot I guess that's just fine.
@@pickyphysicsstudent201Innocence? She abandoned Ragatha as soon as the exit popped up lol. She’s got a degree of selfishness in here.
@@pickyphysicsstudent201There are literally only two episodes released so far you genetic pretzel.
@@anubis7457 To be fair she looked as though she was willing to help Ragatha until she touched her hand and Pomni saw her own started to glitch.
Remember Ponmi was thrown into a digital world. She just met these people and is learning about the world around her. The latest episode showed her feeling more at home with these people. Slowly getting more accustomed to them. We'll probably see her open up more and more as the series continues.
I feel like one of the hardest parts about trying to write a female character nowadays is dealing with the inevitable waifu-chasers. By that, I refer to people who hate slow burns, don't want to wait for more than maybe one or two seasons for the character who they want to claim as a waifu to get over their personal issues and turn into someone they can ship with an OC or outright self insert, and end up creating this personally idealized version of the character in their minds, only to get really pissy when the character doesn't turn out like that in canon.
Another thing I've noticed over time is that a lot of people who try and criticize writing choices for shows still in their early seasons are usually people who are used to writing one off, individual short stories or, for the slightly more qualified, amateur novels, rather than long, drawn out things that would last across multiple seasons' worth of time. These people really don't know quite as much of what they're talking about as they like to proclaim. Yes, you're writers, but for things that are self contained and much shorter than a show that's planned to last for several years.
And finally, something that I touched on in the first part of this comment but am going to explain a bit more in depth: People hate waiting these days. I've noticed that ANY time a character from some indie webtoon or show or whatever gets a massive online following, people start scrambling to try and basically write the character themselves instead of waiting to see how things go in canon. People end up creating this idealized version of a character for themselves, and end up growing more attached to their idealized version of that character than to the actual canon version of that character, to the point that they start to feel like anything the writers for the actual show do with that character that deviates from their own idealized version of them is "bad writing".
So in short, stop trying to push writers to rush character developments just so you can have your waifus, shut up and learn some patience, and for the love of god people, go outside, touch grass, and talk to some real women instead of getting overly attached to fictional female characters. I'm sorry that this is so bitingly rude, but this is stuff that's been frustrating me for a while. Yes, writing for stuff has gotten worse these days, but you know what? So have fanbases.
It’s kinda what happened to the purple bunny guy in digital circus, or maybe not, it’s more like people didn’t like him anymore because he acted like a jerk in the 1st episode.
No, you're definitely spot on!!
You’re so freaking right
yeah... noticed this with Wally Darling from the ARG Welcome Home. There are so many fan versions of that puppet and a scarily immediate demand to know how the creator felt about ppl sexualising their characters...
Tbh, as a woman, i dont think advise of "just write a character that happened to be a woman" is apropriate for many cases.
Women and men, depending on time and location of the story, have different social expectations and pressures, their expiriences can be vastly different and(more often than not)they were raised in gendered ways.
That doesn't mean that a female character should 24/7 brag about sexism,and it shouldn't be her entire character. Just dont make "I'm a woman" her defining trait
Exactly
REALEST THING TO BE REALES
This exactly
People talking about Pomni when Ragatha and Gangle are right there
But they aren’t as developed yet
it's literally the second episode???
Ironically, my second book is going to have a female protagonist just as my side series features one as well.
Good luck!
@@Mangakamen thanks, and so far i am currently going through editing suggestions of my second book after my editor looked through it.
And also so far in terms of my side series that I called TIS Epics, I have a prologue and the first chapter released so far
The irony of the editor gag is that it just gave the editor more work 💀
I heard somewhere: “don’t write female characters, white characters that happen to be female.”
edit. I think i made a echo chamber.
yup
Agreed
Quite so.
It's not an echo-chamber, it's a mutual agreement towards *facts.*
Holds true for any other group. They should be characters first and female/gay/[ethnicity] second, if not further down the list. Unfortunately, a lot of large media companies, especially here in the West, seem to like hiring people who do the opposite in recent years.
12:59 It was actually Carly’s Japanese voice actress who was in hot water. Akiza was affected by proxy because the writers tried to remove all cult aspects due to the controversy.
How to write a female character:
Step 1: Write a character
Step 2: Make it female
Step 2 optional
29:46 I’ve been thinking for a while now that Yukako was robbed of having a bigger part in finding Kira.
As he essentially almost murdered Koichi, the boy she loves and does kill Aiya, the one responsible for helping her and Koichi to get together.
So it seems like a missed opportunity.
Part 4 in general seems like lots of characters were meant to have much larger roles after Kira's reveal (including a panel showing all of them together with a determined look on their face) but for whatever reason, that idea got dropped and the remainder of that series only had Josuke and Rohan as the main characters for the most part (with Koichi getting one battle vs Sheer Heart Attack and Yukako getting the Cinderalla one which wasn't related to Kira at all and that's it).
Part 8, which is practically the Part 4 of the new timeline, ended up having the same issue, probably for the same reasons (likely Araki wanted a large cast of good guys like Part 4 but ended up being unable to utilize it, again like Part 4)
@@KirbyFrontier Part 4 fell into the 'villain of the week' trap after the Kira reveal, characters outside of the very main cast stopped appearing in arcs or getting more development. Okuyasu got done firty af tbh, one of the presumed main characters and he's constantly sidelined. The RHCP arc was looking good, but in the end it didn't really matter because Okuyasu's arc didn't get resolved at all, he didn't get any closure, didn't learn anything new, iirc he didn't even participate in the final battle against RHCP. Him accidentally letting Yoshihiro escape seemed like a beginning to an episode focusing on him and his insecurities about being 'dumb' and naive, but nothing came out of it. Okuyasu doesn't even get a real battle aside from his introduction arc and he barely uses The hand at all.
I feel the issue I have with female characters is that they are usually forced to be a Love Interest. Their plotlines is revolving around romance, their partner, or something bad happens to them to affect their partner.
They are the wife, the girlfriend, the lost lenore, or the love interest.
It be nice if they can do stuff not related to romance.
Your words at the beginning remind me of Star Wars The Acolyte. At least from what I’ve seen, all of the women are stoic and inexpressive. They don’t have any human parts to them, a personality, likes & dislikes. I think that’s why the ‘strong female’ archetype has largely been loathed as of late. Cause of a lack of humanity and feeling like real people to be relatable. Hey Loona and Milly may not have the deepest characters but at least they have humanity in them, personality, relationships, etc.
Forgot. Jujutsu's only skilled female sorcerer in season 2 ended into incest... Ugghh... There was also a bluehaired girl who seemed to have a Lot in development only to end with pseudo Geto casually breaking her weapon
I actually laughed when that fucking happened
not because i thought it was funny, but because "of COURSE he'd pull some shit like this."
Yeah he's notoriously shit at writing female characters
What about Nobara?
[spoilers for season 2] Jjk female characters aren't as well written as people claim, after 1st season ends the Kyoto school is forgotten about and everyone either dies or fades into the background. I gotta admit the finale of s1 was great and really set Nobara apart from your typical shonen female characters, but she did nothing after that. Generally, I'd say most of the characters in JJK suffer from wasted potential.
This never seemed hard to me. Don't write female characters. Write an entire character and give them female traits. The important part is an entire character, motivations, histories, flaws, strengths and things they're just kinda meh at. All of this is needed for a full fleshed out character, male, female or whatever the hell they are.
EXACTLY, this is always how I’ve done things no matter what character I’m writing. First comes the purpose they serve in the most general sense, then comes their personality and how they act, react, and interact with the world and characters around them, and THEN comes less impactful details like gender, sexuality, and visual design, because they aren’t as important to the character themself, they’re nuances to what should already be established
Good timing. Stolas is so annoying and appology tour totally vindicated his bad behavior, like, dubconning Blitz and being classist/speciesist to imps.
So I cannot wait for the Stolas video. I hope you touch on appology tour too, even though it just came out
Yeah, that really annoyed me. Stola acknowledged his mistakes in the previous episode & tried to be better only for the new episode to be like "Just kidding. Everything is Blitzo's fault. See, people literally hold a house party every year to celebrate their hatred of Blitzo because he's so terrible." They even tried to make us feel bad for Verosika (a sex predator) just so we'd think Blitzo is even more awful by comparison.
@D_YellowMadness i disagree with your take on Verosika, I actually think Blitz is wrong about a lot and very flawed, I like that character aspect And the people he hurt at the party, like Verosika are valid. My issue is that Stolas doesn't belong there. Stolas is not an innocent party who got hurt, he actively behaved badly and Blitz treated him likewise. Then Stolas got mad that Blitz didn't Romanticize the sex he was forced to have. He is not sympathetic, Blitz is not always the victim, but with Stolas he was
@@BeeRitualI've never considered either of them victims in their arrangement.
Blitz broke in and came on to Stolas while the latter was backing away and told him they shouldn't be doing this, then gave him a mercy screw for the sake of stealing the book. And he strung Stolas along knowing he has the bigger reputation to lose if they get caught.
Stolas was definitely wrong to use that one night stand for monthly sex thereafter, but they've both been selfish users to each other from day 1.
@megankissinger8269 Blitz had to steal the book because imps are second-class citizens without the power and durability of the royal ruling class. Stolas has influence but never care about the lesser classes who suffer under this caste system. Stolas is a nepo baby born into riches and privlage while Blitz struggled and worked his whole life for what he has now.
But in their relationship, Stolas isolated Blitz in his bedroom and came onto him FIRST, Blitz responded "ew" but went with it when he saw an opportunity to get the book.
Stolas got nervous because he's never been with a man but at no point did he not want the forward flirting, he is like superman levels of overpowered, he could have stopped Blitz at any moment.
But Blitz couldn't say no to Stolas without risking the book being withheld. I don't think stolas did that on purpose, but it's a fact none the less. Blitz doesn't know how Stolas would react to being rejected, all his knowledge about royals tells him it probably won't go good.
So every every point Stolas has all the power and Blitz has none, which is why the deal is inherently dub-con and consent cannot exist in that situation
@@BeeRitual While it's true imps are second class citizens, that doesn't mean he's entitled to other people's belongings. Stolas was under no obligation to let him have the book just because he's rich and privileged. It's illegal and risky for both of them.
Stolas also kept backing away when Blitz was coming on to him and questioned if they should even be doing this. Blitz got him down on the bed anyway.
I get Stolas has held power over Blitz and treated him like a sex object, and he owes Blitz a massive apology. Blitz has also been using him knowing he's at risk to lose everything if he gets caught over loaning out the book, and he was stringing him along after Ozzie's. The fact that he was breaking the law and didn't care about the effect on Stolas makes him at best marginally better.
I was actually surprised that Pomni became calm and relatable to gumigoo. It's like she had only 2 episodes of character development.
Or that she was trauma bonding with him, maybe Pomni has been like that from the start, she's just panicking. And you can't think straight when you're panicking
@@Annie-wy5mc I guess so. But don't you think it's kinda weird or odd that a character (more specifically the main character of a show) gets like 2 episodes of character development? Like I'm aware that some characters in a show need development but don't you think it's a little too fast to develop?
Off topic but 2:08 Oooooh a Stolas Terrible Characters video would be delicious for me to chew on. I'm inches away from grilling him on a stove and it's not even funny.
That is way funnier than it has any right to be 😭
In defense of Vizzepop's female characters, all of the characters and story are awfully written.
That’s the best that can be said about her writing.
I don’t know if I’d call it exactly completely awful. There are times when Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss have endeared me to their characters. Moreso I’d call it scatterbrained writing that makes up an inconsistent puzzle. Some pieces are gems while others are slop.
Bruh… in the latest episode of Helluva Boss, they have Martha and Miss Mayberry as a lesbian couple.
Vivzipop shipped the sinner with the lady who MURDERED HER FAMILY AND SENT HER TO HELL LMAOOOOOO
That is SUCH A TUMBLR MOVE I CANT 😭 😭 😭
@@cassiushellsin6243 Nearly every main character boils down to 'I'm gay, sassy and have a "traumatic" past'. Tumbler is a great way to describe it.
@@heffyhoof I’ve called Helluva Boss the “Animated Tumblr Blog written by a porn addict”
Seriously, considering Vivziepop can’t handle criticism, her writing has never improved. She’s stuck in her edgey phase and still writes both Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel like she wrote Zoophobia. It all makes sense 💀
Yu-Gi-Oh's issues arguably largely stem from the influence of Yoshida Shin, who basically took the mantle as the main creative director after Takahashi retired from the franchise. The guy outright admits he is uncomfortable with writing female characters and he obviously has issues with playing favorites. As soon as the Bridge series started they came out swinging with a whole lineup of great female characters and the largest complaint that can be hedged against the Bridge anime on a character writing perspective is that it has so many characters that are worth following it's really hard to balance out the screentime.
Hell, there are actually some male characters I think get thrown under the bus more than Aoi in Vrains.
Funny, but I feel like SEVENS had that problem more than GO RUSH.
SEVENS had a bigger cast and several of them, who are important, had to be left aside or put in the background since the focus had to be placed on the Main Group (see Goha Siblings)
GO RUSH does not have a very large cast, but it knows who its Main Characters are and who its recurring Supporting Characters are. The rest is a complement or is in the background.
Man, Videogame, Movie, TV-Series etc. Writers nowadays should take notes from this.
Heck even modern Hollywood.
I don’t think Millie and Loona lack motivation. Millie is a working girl, her motivation is earning a paycheck while she coincidentally gets to work alongside the husband she adores doing a job she’s good at and coincidentally keeping him alive. You can argue that’s not a very interesting character because she’s already achieved her immediate goals and that’s fair but that doesn’t make her a badly written character. Actually she’s rather refreshing next to the drama llamas the series likes to focus on.
"You can argue that’s not a very interesting character because she’s already achieved her immediate goals and that’s fair but that doesn’t make her a badly written character. Actually she’s rather refreshing next to the drama llamas the series likes to focus on."
You do realize you don't need to make her into a drama llama to make her a compelling character, hell, I'd argue the fact that she's got nothing going on other than a paycheck is actually pretty boring, and to say that it's 'refreshing' shows a lot more issues with the series than just her.
And I noticed that you didn't say a thing about Loona, even though you brought her up.
Sometimes, having a character that doesn't change much is a good thing, even a character driven story. People like them exist. They get by, and are happy enough with their lot and no outlying goals to push themselves or motivate them enough; if they are satisfied, there's no need. Not everyone is overtly driven once they reach a certain point.
Though i think it helps when other characters acknowledge that the static character becomes a kind of grounded stability to those who's lives are in upheaval. Like "oh thank goodness this place/person is still the same." The consistency and familarity is comforting, even if it can be seen as frustrating to some depending on the personality.
You don't have to be surly and rude to be tough. Some of the nicest people are the stoic ones, who know others count on them and rely on them in varying ways. You don't always need personal tragedy to have empathy or give good advice.
Always found it interesting that you use the colors red and blue in thumbnails.
Pretty certain in Eastern media (Anime for example), red is used to represent the good and blue represents the bad. Now that might not be always the case, but you can see it happening in multiple anime, a big example being Naruto (Naruto is red while Sasuke is blue).
same with Ichigo and uryu from bleach just with the hair Ichigo is a red head and uryu has blue hair if you haven't seen the thousand year blood war it kinda makes sense
I'm going to watch this and keep yugioh female characters in mind the entire time
The bird characters seem to be poorly written. Enough so that some would call the writing... Fowl.
I regret nothing
Saw this comment on another video that summed it up well: "Don't write strong female characters, write strong characters that happen to be women"
the worst issue i tend to see with people writing women is just writing men but with boobs.
Turns out women are slightly more complex/different.
arcane on netflix was some of the best well written female characters i have ever seen in animated media the whole show is 10 out of good so if u haven't seen it do yourself a favor rly good show
Yeah, Arcane's female characters are amazing.
"My written women are purposely bad because it is part of the plot. Get rekt critics!" - some guy purposely writing women wrong because it is part of the plot.
They also use demographic like shonen as an excuse, look like one piece has well written females so WHAT IS YOUR EXCUSE!?
I'm going through Lost Judgment myself at the moment. I want to mention that there is an Eastern approach to writing female characters that is different to Western writers. That is what is feminine is a little different. Recognizing what both are helps raise awareness for feminine traits to write women. I think you'd have made a stronger point if you had focused on what's feminine about these women. For example had Jolene have been a boy, what would be different about being in prison? What feminine strengths benefits Jolene character now that she's in this tough situation?
being "human" is cringe, it's being compelling that matters. they can be as simple as a one note gag or as complex as a full blown philosophical perspective. you can have a character that is outright inhuman, but they have to have something compelling and they can easily become good.
Dungeon Meshi has some fantastically written characters, particularly Laios Izutsumi and Marcille
Why did you draw Pomni with
*B R E A T S ?*
*B R E A T S*
Noob extra pro max
@@125friends8 *Confisuon*
BECAUSE
B R E A T S
In fairness to Holly in JoJo she was written to be a deliberately bad example to parody how the editors wanted Lisa to be in part 2.
Correction on 5ds. They didn’t cut the last part because of content, there was a license dispute between 4kids and the distributors. Legally they couldn’t make the final part.
Mr. Cake is really moving up in the world. From living in the dumpster to an abandoned house in Detroit. Clearly Mr. Cake has culture.
But don’t you sort or need some characters that aren’t well fleshed out and stuff? Ones that are ultimately more narrative tools or background dressing or whatever? There is only so much you can flesh out after all, and that has the chance to fractal out as they’ve met more people who, of no focus is shifted to them., become that themselves.
8:44 IM BEING deadass this is my favourite YU hi oh series
Get your game on
I have to wonder due to your immense hatred of Crow Hogan, if you hold similar animosity towards VRAINS Homura Takeru (Theodore Hamilton in the dub) aka Soulburner who in my opinion is a worse Crow, who comes out of nowhere to literally sideline both Go Onizuka and Aoi Zaizen.
Yeah, I can't write female characters, or indeed any characters at all. Being both autistic and sheltered, there's no way I can hope to write about a fictional character's hopes, dreams, desires, goals, likes, dislikes, history, and relationships,when 90% of the time, I couldn't even tell you what MY hopes, dreams, etc. are, and the other 10% of the time my answer is "Why is that important?" I can't write characters, only hollow shells, because I myself am a hollow shell.
1:06, Better words don't exist that sum up how far RWBY has fallen.
Also did I heard that right, Knights of Hanoi?! Are they from Vietnam or something?
Yes I'm never watch Vrains and any other Yugioh anime sequels, I'm only watched the original anime.
No, it's an allegory to the "Towers of Hanoi" puzzle, where you start with a pile of disks on the leftmost of 3 poles and are tasked with moving all of said discs to the rightmost pole, while following set rules. In fact, the location of the final duel of Season 1 between the protagonist and the Rival/S1 antagonist happens on top of a tower called the "Tower of Hanoi", which would destroy the whole virtual world if the antagonist wasn't stopped.
Where this reference sits in together is that supposedly the Towers of Hanoi puzzle was based on an old legend, where if the puzzle was successfully solved the world would end, so you can see how it *kinda* links together.
Kamen. Given the topic of this. I think it's going to be considered one of the most controversial videos you've ever made. Not that I'm complaining.
as a former yugioh fan this thumbnail gave me ptsd (Now Aoi's mistreatment wasn't the only ISSUE I have with VRAINS let alone the only issue with the franchise but her mistreament represents the BIGGEST problem with VRAINS any time it had the chance to do ANYTHING interesting it chooses to put everyone on a bus so a gary stu who is an unlikable asshole with no traits other than I'm an asshole can solo everything Aoi's arc sounds amazign on paper but nope)
Yusei 2.0, surely fans would love... (gets outclassed by Ai who's a better character)
@@thatman666 I genuinely don't know whose worse Yusei or Yusaku both have a lot of the same issues but Yusei has almost no personality beyond generic good guy where as Yusaku is an asshole
I think an online web series that does a female character justice, is gwain saga, particularly when they gave lanney an arc, and especially when ami showed that she was capable of taking care of herself in the 8th episode.
anyway, I wrote this comment to convince you to go and rewatch gwain saga.
In terms of side female characters being written well in relation to the Helluvaboss situation, Hikari from Digimon Adventure is written well and does not take away from Sora or Mimi. She is loyal as hell to her brother Taichi and will fight no matter how weak she is or how strong the opponent is. She leaves a lasting memory after the first season. I don't how bad Tori Meadows fan service was in Zexal as I stopped watching yugioh once the series got started, but Nene Amano from the Digimon Xros Wars manga got major service and she is to believed to be around the same age as Tori. Good video
Isn't Digimon Xros Wars one the more controversial Digimon series that turned off a lot of fans and afterwards the series after that era just became mediocre?
@@ryanaing5302 Yes from what I heard. When I watched as it was airing I enjoyed though the Sequel boys leap through time was messy. It didn't have traditional evolution methods and the power scaling was all over the place. I will do more research on why it was hated.
@aptheweirdone Probably has something to do with how Bandai is producing and promoting the shows and the whole structure and story of Fusion/Xros Wars, both sub and dub. Let's not forget the atrocious recent series, Ghost Game, a more polarizing show that have people argue over serialized vs episodic that has gotten annoying after that ended.
A character who is already perfect and can do no wrong is a character with no story. Characters are meant to develop and learn from their experiences, especially their faults. It's why girl-boss characters are terrible, because they preach this flawed and straight up wrong belief that there are no consequences for oneself except for everyone else.
It is still so funny to me how this man blatantly DESPISES Yu Gi Oh yet still continues to talk about it for some reason
I've created many female characters lately, as I've come to learn a bit more about myself. As such I was terrified all the way through this to imagine what you'd say about my writing. It's tough for me to even think about as for one, she has had quite a lot go on in her life that her being a woman really takes a backseat, until she ends up pregnant. Something she's not at all thrilled about because she doesn't want anything getting in the way of her adventures, but her boyfriend really sees this as so positive, due to their opposing ways of being brought up. I don't think I'd say she's mannish and her boyfriend is girly, but I can see this thought being had when you look at it from a simplified perspective. I don't know if this means I'm writing her well, or not, because she's just not very girly... But she absolutely deals with things only a female character can.
Then there's the character who as I was writing, I realised I'd made a trans woman. Probably not a good sign I didn't notice it instantly as the writer, but yeah, she's trans, and because I did not plan it out her story makes me cringe a little. You can see the path the leads her to where she is, it makes sense, it shows what drives her and I really like how I wrote her. But she has a lot of problems, mostly intentionally, the flaws you WANT in a character you know. So like, I guess I shouldn't feel bothered that her upbringing and her being trans falls into the rougher parts of her life. Yet I can't help but feel guilty that it IS there, right next to her trust issues, her anger issues... It's a... flaw. It's hard to know how I should handle it from here. I don't think anyone would be happy if I treated it as roughly as her other qualities.
Writing female characters is absolutely writing on Hard Mode. It might help if I knew any women, but despite over 30 years of life, I constantly cannot find any women who have any interests in art, writing, or anything else. They've all been... Oh god. They've all been poorly written caricatures who only cared about their looks or money or popularity. Oh no. I'm wracking my brain to think of even ONE who goes against this. But every creative place I've been to has been barren of women. The only odd one outs that come to mind was an 'artist' who had a sparkledog OC, and a goth girl who baked cupcakes until she vanished to become a young teen mother. Ugh... If I drew from experience then half my female characters would be young mothers... Wait does my first character count as that?! This is the worst moment of overthinking ever.
07:58 - 08:19 Man I kinda feel bad about that editor having a breakdown after editing the Yugioh segment AGAIN. Not to mention the segement was about six pages long, at that point I wonder if the editor goes to a therapist after that.
Ive seen good and bad women and men in literature but it seems like those who make an attempt in the name of taking a stand for women or a male feminist often fall super flat plus it comes across sad. There are tonnes of great women characters from before this was even a concept. Take casca from berserk. Excellent charachter in a male dominated world who still is strong without it coming over forced...
Until the writer had her get SA'd & basically become a feral animal even though none of the male characters became feral animals when they got SA'd. All for the sake of the character arcs of Guts & Griffith.
@@D_YellowMadness Exactly lmao, I was surprised to see Casca here because apparently a woman being a knight is a qualification enough to be an 'excellent character'/'great woman', when in reality we never see her actual combat prowess as it's often overshadowed by guts with a lewd moment or whatever and the entire story places her as a plot device to drive forward the tension of guts and Griffith, of which Griffith raped Casca and would "enjoy it" even without the god hand (author's words), Casca basically tries to pursue Griffith all along the story and decides to get with Guts after realizing she can't.
Basically a non personality that encapsulates the chasing damsel who is constantly rescued also when she was mindfucked until she eventually got repaired with Guts' help.
I genuinely don't understand this. Writing women badly is bad obviously, but also if you don't write women at all even though you know you're bad at it, that's also bad??? What does anyone actually want?
Good point. You can't get good at writing, if you don't write.
I will be taking notes, because it is a difficult balance.
As someone said to me, you aren’t just one personality.
I like your perspective on writing especially the yugioh girl series.
The thing I usually hold them back is not role
I will try not use Lillie, but has a goal to help Nebby and later grow to be a trainer for hereself, changing to help her mother.
She isn’t a lead but a secondary protagonist.
Another character I love, it is not Yugioh Zexal… #Cathybetter
But 5D, the opposite signer Misty Tredwell
Her goal (in the dub) may have been one note as minor antagonist, all of her act from wanting her brother back to her.
Later move on and befriend with Akiza after realizing she is not the true culprit and go someone else
All that hate soon become wanting to atone surrender
All I can say, Get your game on!!!
Also hmm… Can I be Aka Lil Blue Soda Girl now
28:45 I'll bet Quagmire would've been really happy about that.
Hey, I don't suck at writing women. There are way too many of them with different character traits and goals for EVERY SINGLE ONE of them to be badly written from a single perspective or ideal.
Rosetta in particular is one of my best. She's promiscuous, yes, but far from being clingy or overly lusty. Harsh, but not heartless, and certainly not emotionless. Likes liquor, and consistently holds to the trait. Finally, she has a reasonable goal that ties her to rivals and antagonist.
Is she strong? She's an oc. Take a wild guess.
the jester chick did NOT have those 💀
Fan art for reason.
i watch a 40 minute video just to get a lesson that i already form after your first exemple... it made for a good laugh
still the exemples you showcase were interesting to explore
Man, the shots at Zexal will never not bug me, but the one about Tori is something I agree with. Well, that's what opinions are, as its my third favorite yugioh series its characters and Yuma, in my opinion, having some of the best growth out of yugioh protags.
But hey, great video as always Kamen. Honestly, this was a nice topic of discussion, cause at the end of the day, male and female characters are just that. They're characters, concepts, and just like a fine piece of art, it takes effort and care to make something that's not dull or super poor. Be it protag or side character, just a bit of effort goes a long way into making a character feel less one note. It might not be the best end, but that's okay, there's always room to improve as long as you try, just as long as you put the care and love into make it something you can be proud of. And honestly, if you're worried about fudging something, asking for help or opinions is still an option. Not the wisest of words but this is what i believe for anything you enjoy doing honestly.
As a Zexal fan, I agree with this comment. Zexal had such good characters and storylines that the dub just butchered. It was so bad that people treated Zexal like a plague for years. In a weird twist of irony, the show that was about an underdog fighting the overwhelming cosmic odds stacked against him because an underdog in the franchise.
@@esteban8471The underdog is moreso the Yu-gi-oh IP itself outside the physical card game. It very much vanished from public contiousness after 5DS and the audience is more interessted in saying it sucks period than to give it a chance of a proper comeback. Though more specifically on Zexal, it is at least very popular in japan, so that is something at least.
Unfortunately there's 2 major factors working against Zexal's favour, namely:
1) Out of all the Yugioh Franchises, it starts out the worst. The opening Season of Zexal is a massive stain on a show that would eventually become rather compelling.
2) Power Creep in the actual card game was accelerating quite rapidly, and XYZ monsters in particular were a highly noticeable power jump. The issue here comes with that alienating people who liked playing AND watching the show. The most unfortunate thing is that the XYZ mechanic itself isn't inherently unbalanced, but it was the start of many cards (both XYZ and non-XYZ) getting bloated effects. It's not entirely justified hate, since really Blackwings and Infernity (both 5ds archetypes) paved the way for power creep before XYZ, but it was just there right out of the gate.
For me, out of the first 6 Yugioh Anime (not including the rush duels duels stuff), Zexal sits firmly in 5th place, only being ahead of Arc-V. That's not because I hate it, but more because getting through it DID feel like I was forcing myself to watch till it got good.
@@sirensoulegaming4158Respectfully speaking out of curiosity, would that first argument not make GX worse? At least with Zexal it took a dozen or so episodes for Kaito to show up, and by extension the plot to start. In comparison, most of GX's first season was fluff and filler with the only interesting thing being Chazz's character arc before we were finally introduced to the Shadow Riders, with the only interesting among them being Camula.
@@esteban8471 Been a long time since I watched Zexal and I don't really want to erroneously comment on things about it that grated me more than GX.
From what I do remember though, Zexal was trying to be more light hearted humour while wasting absolutely no time in introducing Astral and him talking about Yuma needing to get the number cards and there's this sense of greater destiny. It's a bit weird and a dissonant mix on my mind. Conveniently he's lost his memory too (which unfortunately is one of my most hated plot devices of all time, it's so cliche, like they already did this in the first yugioh with pharaoh Atem and I wasn't a fan of it then either). I remember not being a huge fan of these things. Will not speak more on this since I don't remember too much of how Zexal started, only how it ended.
Meanwhile Yugioh GX didn't pretend to be much more than a light hearted anime about card games when it first started. Just some kids going to a school, playing games and at worst the stakes for losing might be expulsion, or something. It SLOWLY started to get more serious until eventually we get the whole arc with the shadow riders, but prior to then it was more focused on what personalities the characters had and how they related to eachother. The fact that it's really light hearted fun at the start ends up being an important juxtaposition for the existential life-threatening/World-ending Jaden/Judai would eventually have to endure. Instead of us needing to be shown any of this in a flashback, we don't need it because we've already experienced it. Arc - V also tries to do this thing where duels at the start are relatively low stakes and then later talks about the whole "dueling should be for fun" thing but fails to do this where GX succeeds, although I think it's clear to anyone who has watched arc-V why exactly they get it so wrong.
Critiques of shows aside, GX also happens to be a personal weak spot for me because it was one of two yugioh shows that was airing while I was really within the target audience (the other show being 5ds). Regardless of this I still place it 4th because in hindsight there's still plenty of things wrong with it, like for instance the protagonist getting way more screen time and share of duels than in any other yugioh franchise, leading to missed opportunities for other characters (ALEXIS should have been the one to duel nightshroud and save Attticus, not Jaden, just one example of a missed opportunity), and also because GX started the trend of releasing new cast members late into a show which take time away from original cast that still needed development (Bastion and Alexis both deserved way more than they got, and season 3 in particular gave us the 4 new exchange student duelists, who it felt like damn near sidelined the entire original cast once they were introduced). It also didn't help that when I rewatched it as an adult and being better at steategising and the actual card game, that many times the characters will comment on part of a duelists strategy flat out erroneously and the audience is supposed to just buy this (biggest example of this I can think of is when Jaden and Syrus Duel the Paradox brothers. The amount of flack syrus gets from other characters in that duel irritates me no end, if he didn't play the way he did they would have lost that duel for sure).
Kid me didn't care of course, it's only in hindsight I really care lol.
Tbf some people’s reaction to being called out is to double down. Especially if they haven’t realized what they did was wrong.
*Female Characters. AHHHHHH. Usually I have to correct people to say "women" instead of "females", but in this instance, you'd say "female characters" because "female" is an adjective whereas "women characters" is two nouns next to each other.
No hate tho ;-;
never understood why people have such distaste for the word "female" but i've never once seen anyone bothered by the term "male"
@@bobowon5450 me neither. It’s so dumb, saying a woman is a female is like saying rain is water. It is a simple observation.
What about male? Nothing wrong with female/male at all. I can only think of one scenario where it is - where you say one, but the other as "woman/man", insinuating a distance in humanity. There's a whole subreddit about "men and females" because incels are so brain damaged and they use that language a lot.
...always nice to hear someone using Lunatea's Veil music time to time... such an under-rated series.
So basically, I'm not doing a bad thing by writing male and female characters in the exact same way? Good.
I think i was staring at pomni in the thumbnail a little too much 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳
It’s easy to write women if being a woman isn’t one of their main identifying factors.
Please talk about yukako in a video i am begging you i have suffered alone for too long
I didn’t realize I sucked at writing female characters 😢
Now you know, I guess.
I didn’t even realize women were real?
@@thegreatjohnjohnson4016 lol they're not!!! ...are they?
@@casualdanattemptsAccording to modern political beliefs, they aren't, because the only separation between men and women according to them is your own decision at any given moment. Meaning that everyone's a woman if you think about it. And you know what they say: when everyone's a woman, nobody is.
@@MoostachedSaiyanPrince Though given that there's a plethora of policies that come from the foundation of, and therefore imply to be the case, that Women are disadvantaged, there's no logically sound and rational reasoning to be a woman. To choose to be disadvantaged in doing so is Very irrational, like choosing to sever your own limb.
500 more likes, we can do this, get ya game on!!!!
You see, men and women are treated differently in society and this can shape their personality, their reactions to what society tells them are also very important because this also shapes personality, for example, a woman can completely refuse something that society tells her or reconsider her installations.
It's funny how you uploaded this video when the new episode of helluvia boss came out
At a glance, I'd say it's because I'm a man with no way of having a first-hand account of being a woman. And yet, so rarely is a woman accused of writing a man poorly. I'm chalking that up to how women in general rarely are in a script-writer's room to begin with.
@Duckstery-oz4rp I'm familliar with Mr. Enter, yes. And I wouldn't say guarentee, more like higher chance.
Eh, I think it has to do a few factors. We've got tons of male led stories, and as a culture we tend to focus on men as the everyday person. With so many examples it's easier to write a man even if you have no personal experience. Plus we tend to be more critical of women, and that includes fictional ones. If Male X is written badly, you'll get videos on 'why X is badly written'. If Female Y is badly written you'll get 'Y: Why the author can't write women".
Get Your Game On!
Every women in TADC is well written. I love TADC.
get your game on !!
I don’t think I’ve done a bad job of writing them. I don’t treat them special. Just a character who happens to be female.
the yugioh xezal opening unlocked childhood memories i forgot i even had 😭
Get your game on! Don't let views bring you down or stop you. Make the videos you want to make.
AY. AY.
HOW DARE YOU SKIP GHOST GIRL.
Ghost Girl was given a literal copy of a TOURNAMENT WINNING version of her deck, and they DELIBERATELY MADE HER MISPLAY.
She TARGETED an UNTARGETABLE monster, and lost!
Also I wanna say that unfortunately, YuGiOh protagonists are at the mercy of the product.
Blue Angel plays Trickstars, and AT THE TIME they had to hit Trickstars on the banlist quite hard, which also means that they have to show Trickstars LOSING to make it go away in popularity.
It's the same reason why they had to swap Go Onizuka had to swap off Gouki to Dinowrestlers - artificial diversification and encouragement to buy product
I mean he literally said she was second best YGO girl.
@@BurningAzure in my defence I was commenting while I was watching, so I hadn't heard everything he'd had to say about her
Have you seen Yugioh Sevens yet? I'm curious what you think about Romin. Sorry forgot if you responded before.
If he does cover SEVENS, I'm curious what his opinion of Mimi will be: basically, she has the best and the worst that he looks for.
Aoi was done dirty.
I can´t believe MagaKamen talked about Vrains, now my bingo card is almost complete
Get your game on.
10:38 I love MangaKamens editor.
Geez I'm way early. AWESOME
jolyne my beloved
MangaKamen drawing Pomni with boobs is definitely not something I was expecting to see in my youtube recommended.
Nice touch using Rouge's theme in your video ❤🥰
I mean it’s hard to write a compelling female character who is literally a walking corpse t-800’d and not ment to be nothing more than a machine of war
To be fair if you want good female character writing from yugioh look to the two Studio Bridge seasons. If I have an accurate enough read on what kind of yugioh fan you are, you probably have not even attempted to engage with them, so this might be a good enough prompt to?
That seems a bit presumptuous.
@@Mangakamen Perhaps. Was it an incorrect call?
yes
@@Mangakamen I am surprised. What episode'd you drop them?
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Also didn't see all of zexal but what i have seen didnt know tori was sexualized. Then again was more focused on Dextra and Akari.
Even Cathy, Anne, and Rio seemed more interesting than Tori.