The fact that BLITZ is shown to be a better father than Stolas speaks volumes when comparing them in a relationship. In the current episodes, Blitz has been dogpiled both by fans & by in-universe characters for being a selfish person while Stolas is woobified as a depressed romantic. That's not to say they don't have these same character traits, but when comparing they're other relationships, especially with their daughters, shows a serious issue with one having more development than the other. Blitz loves Loona like his own flesh & blood, despite her closed-off attitude & society itself viewing her species of hellhound as pets. On the other hand, while Stolas does seem to love & care for his biological daughter, Octavia, he has only been shown with her in two episodes. Yes, Loona is more of a main character than Octavia, but there's still more highlights to Blitz as a father compared to Stolas: Blitz takes Loona to the vet to get her shots, he never acknowledges her as a pet, & he prioritizes her whereas Stolas has exposed Octavia to a LOT of his bad sides with how he treats Stella & their divorce while giving little regard to her growing to be less & less close to him. This could be an antithesis to Blitz & Stolas as lovers: Blitz could love & prioritize Stolas if he can sort through his issues & understand Stolas' feelings for him, but Stolas might not be fully into the relationship as time goes on as his expectations on relationships may make him feel either let down by the reality of dating blitz or become jaded about it to the point where he may become resentful towards Blitz like he was with Stella.
I mean, not really. Blitzø's job is easier. He has alot less responsibility, heartache and Blitzø is already pass his "Horny" phase. It's like comparing a season one character to a fully developed one to dog pile on the season one character
@zealousamourous Didn't say being an assassin is. But when you're not forced to be one and doing it for fun, it's comparable. Unlike being royalty, which is not something you can chose
The biggest reason I personally dislike Stolas is how much the writers baby him and surround him with scapegoats to make him seem sympathetic and tragic. His neglectful father forced him into an arranged marriage. His wife (now ex-wife Stella) is an evil harpy who has zero redeeming qualities. Whom is stated to have abused him for years and now is actively trying to kill him. He is starved for romantic love and desperately wants his childhood friend (Blitzo) to reciprocate his feelings. He has an estranged daughter (Octavia) whom he loves unconditionally and is upset that he often comes up short in being the father she needs. Every time Stolas does something immoral or bad, there's a ready caveat to absolve him of most of his accountability. Stolas cheated? Well he was being abused by an evil wife, so it's okay. Stolas manipulated Blitzo into a sexually explotative relationship? Well Blitzo stole the book and actively enjoys the sex, so it's okay. Stolas rountinely neglects his daughter Octavia, but she always forgives him in the end, so it's okay. If Stolas does wrong the worst consequences are that he feels bad for it and is temporarily distanced from the people he loves. He's written as a tragic and sympathetic protagonist whose actions are nearly always justified by the narrative, and now he's found an entire party of Blitzo's exes who are telling him he did nothing wrong.
@@PlanetZoidstar very well put together. Although I do believe that Stella well deserved to be cheated on by stolas due to her abuse and insults. And from what we know now, she doesn't seem like a very good mother either. The show does definitely excuse a lot of stolas's actions but blitz is treated just as equal. People excuse his flaws and mistakes while saying "oh he just needs development" but when It comes to stolas's flaws, all hell breaks loose
I agree that this wasn't a good choice by the writers. So the question is - how do they fix it? I think he's getting kicked out of royalty as his consequence in an upcoming episode, and if that's the route they go, it will be good for his character development.
@@megankissinger8269 I imagine however the writers try to fix Stolas as a character it's going to be very unsatisfying. Because he has had multiple chances to own up to his mistakes and misdeeds and he has consistently failed to take responsibility for them. The writers have front-loaded so much accountability-denial from Stolas that seeing him try to take responsibility NOW is going to be jarring. The only thing he's really taken responsibility for is getting Blitzo entangled in their deal (which Blitzo was fine with outside of Stolas trying to make it into something more). Everything else has been excuse after excuse, and I don't see the writers backpedalling after their consistent writing Stolas as the victim of worse people than himself.
Stolas feels like a Mary Sue. Not because he is too powerful but because the narrative twists itself to make him be in the right when he is not. That's one of the main defining traits of a Mary Sue to me. Like Red from Over sarcastic productions said: "Mary Sue is not someone's who is too powerful, is someone who is too important"
@@ricky.t.1658 I was told a Mary Sue is less of someone who is like, extremely overpowered with no flaws and more like.. someone who basically is in the center of the story. The universe essentially revolves around them. I don't exactly think Stolas is exactly a Gary Stu… but he DEFINITELY is a Creator's Pet
This show feels to me similar to how a lot of fanfiction is written. The babygirlification of stolas is crazy, you can tell he’s viv’s favorite and she sees him as a poor tragic little baby
This is so painfully accurate because I used to write fanfictions like these too during my awkward phase.😂 Well, at least I can say that I've grown up enough to avoid this kind of problematic favoritism.
@@Jacy-dx6dx Obviously Blitzø is a jerk, but Stolas should know this by now. It’s like being angry at a known incompetent for dropping the picket of water and spilling it, but you knew that person was incompetent yet still tasked them with carrying a bucket of water.
The problem I see with Hellev a Boss's characters is, the main cast tends to feel static in their 'self-improvement', while even some side characters actually change and stay that way in future episodes. Blitz for example, had at least 2 episodes where he came to his senses and became a better person. Only for the showrunners to completely forget about this and reset him to default...and that's honestly what makes all the drama feel forced to me. Same with Stolas and dealing with his daughter, after the lolo land episode, we don't actually SEE him try to BE a better father. These characters get development, and it gets tossed out the window the second it would get in the way of more drama. That's why watching this show is difficult for me.
And it’s not just Stolas and Blitz. They do the same thing with Moxxie and to an extent Luna. The writers know people love the characters as is so they keep them there even though people want to see them grow as well.
Yes it’s like they don’t allow their characters to go through an arc, and when they get close to any sort of character change they reign it back in for the sake of keeping up stolas and blitz’s miscommunication of a relationship. Instead of including a crucial part of any good story - arcs for the characters.
Blitzo was trying to be a better person after Truth Seekers, Moxxie was supposed to be braver after Murder family and Stolas should be less neglectful after Loo Loo land. What happened to that?
Actually no, you are wrong, characters don’t have a changing moment and then change forever, Blitz has never truly been touched to a real degree until this point so it’s now that he truly seems like he could have a change. The loo loo land episode was about Octavia understanding that things are different now, that her father is going through bad shit and learning to understand and accept his dad, not about Stolas being a better father as he is clearly doing everything he can
If stolas faces consequences but he’s crying the entire time and everyone else in the episode says “oh you poor thing stolas!” Or the person has a ‘misunderstanding’ and stolas did nothing wrong, I don’t think that counts.
@OpalGemstone33 Does it really matter if it's characters in the show or real people on the Fandom? It's still hypocritical to whine about "Oh I don't want people to feel bad for Stolas for wanting the change" While everyone (Including you) is doing the same for Blitzø. It just dint make no sense man 😅
@@hunty.0 I often get hated by her obviously immature fanbase for pointing out very VERY obvious flaws and they treat it like the standard for indie entertainment guess what IT ISN'T
I miss when the primary spotlight of the show was I.M.P. and comedy. I wouldn't mind it if Stolas and Blitz were entertaining together, but 90% of their scenes together are either sad, or sad. I genuinely don't remember one thing in the last 2 episodes that was funny cuz of being funny, just relying on shock value. Another thing to say about Octavia and Stolas relationship though, (so far) we had 1 ep where he made an empty promise about how everything will get better, and him going back to being a bad father immediately, but equally horrible as a role-model since she's supposed to be a royal heir. As horrible as Stolas' father was from what we know, he was at least guided on how to be a proper royalty, but is instead leaving Octavia to her own devices. She might have it even worse than Stolas once she'll have to take after him, and he's 1000% to blame
@@Jakky_clarkkIt would be nice if we got an episode where it goes “no, Stolas, you’re dead wrong”. Problem is that the showrunner is more interested in showing how awful Blitzo is than Stolas and having the world reflect that. And, whilst I hope we get the “oh he messed up” bit in the show, it’s feeling a lot like the payoff for the wait isn’t enough to go through all of the frustration a viewer has to get to that point.
@@christopherbennett5858 that would be great. We really need some character development in these two. I feel like it's the show itself that makes it seem like blitz is so much worse than Stolas. Meanwhile the fandom switches it all around and makes it seem like Stolas is the heartless horrible monster and blitz is the precious little harmless victim. Nobody really understands that both of these characters need development. Especially if I'm going to be liking them anytime soon. 💀
I do wanna point out something about Stolas's design that kinda.. Irks me? He went from this.. Sleek looking, regal Goeshia, to this round faced uwu soft gay birb and I just.. can't with it.
I've always hated his character. He was originally designed to be more on the side of a villain. And even after Vivzie cancelled the pilot as being canon and decided he'd be Blitz's "love interest", she still hasn't really fixed him from that original idea. Blitz is certainly not a saint, but with his "side" of the drama, he isn't a hypocrite. So I totally agree with this video. I don't know if Vivzie is having Stolas be a hypocrite on purpose to be redeemed in some other way, but I have a bad feeling that she might botch Stolas or not write him "correctly".
Bashing my skull in, I want someone to mention how Stolas SA'd Blitz by coercing him into a sexual relationship. He knew Blitz was in danger when he proposed the idea, knew he needed the book to make a living, and I absolutely DETEST him for that
I also noticed that when Stolas said “When have I ever-” he stopped realizing that’s not technically true and in the song in the recent episode he questions his view of how he treated Blitz
Stolas realized in the Circus Blitzø was unhappy and disinterested. He was being petty just because Blitzø didn't go along with him. There is no growth.
He didnt actually realized, he was too angry to continue what he was saying actually. But in the song, yes. But he still trying to push the blame away from him.
@@red-rr3is he seemed to be questioning like what if it was because I was doing this and that’s what hurt him or what if I mistook this for something else
@@The_Practical_Daydreamer he was being emotional plus he was trying to distance himself so he wouldn’t lash out but Blitz came anyway so he tried to walk away then blitz kept pushing and pushing every time he’s trying to put boundaries until he is saying things he doesn’t actually mean like for example saying Blitz is talking like striker and that he couldn’t be bothered to come help him Stolas is in the wrong but so is Blitz the two need space and time to learn from mistakes away from each other because they keep feeding into each other’s issues like two hornet nests fighting each other Blitz needs to learn to speak in a way that Stolas can understand (and when he’s not drunk) but also not immediately assuming the worse Stolas needs to learn to speak in a way that Blitz can understand but also not spring things up (Loona also didn’t help with feeding into Blitz’s insecurities and making him think the exact opposite of what Stolas was trying to do)
The way I see it, Stolas is a walking pile of communication errors who doesn't think about how others will perceive his actions. Especially, those who feel below him. But the show's probably gonna choose to ignore that flaw to focus on how he screwed up his family life.
@@TMSonicFan47 100% true. And my personal opinion, Stolas is a problematic depressed character that is always excused. And I also think that blitz is a shitty person who acts like a victim but never tries to improve. These two characters seriously need development
On his own Stolas is fine but when he’s with Blitz his character becomes irritating, the dynamics with his family are great and should be explored more while his relationship with Blitzo should be toned down more since it’s overshadowing everything else.
Honestly, I’ve never been that big a fan of Stolas. But my issue with him has very little to do with his relationship with Blitzo. I think he failed being a father. I gave him a pass for how he treated Octavia in Ep 2 because he acknowledged that he messed up and pledged to do better in the future… but then when they went to Hollywood, he once again prioritize spending time with Blitzo on some film set rather than focusing on finding his daughter I’m just bewitching (or killing) anyone who gets in their way. It makes it come across like Keyland nothing from episode two. In addition, Octavia is completely justified in saying “why does he hate her more than he loves me?” Stolas DID prioritize rushing through the divorce over spending time with his daughter. I can look past Stolas’ relationship mistakes in his previous, since Stella and Blitzo are both every messed up people who argued did more harm to the relationship than the bird. But there’s really no justification for the neglect he gives his daughter. He may care about her, but he clearly does not prioritize.
You know how often I keep bringing up this argument and people just shut me down as a Blitz stan even though I was specifically defending Octavia? Stolas fans prove my every word about how neglected Octavia is in general without them even realizing it and it's such a silly display. And of course, once Octavia does start leaving her useless dad, I bet my ass Stolas fans will redirect their mass targeting from Blitz to her. Calling her "shallow" and "doesn't develop", when really, not forgiving her father is the best development she could be getting right now.
The problem though is she hasn't seen what he did and doesn't know what happened in LA before and during at the studio so she shouldn't get that vibe, it makes more sense and feels natural for her to say *"I know you love me but I feel..." because it shows her unaware, loving him, him loving her but is getting the feeling something is up & whatever Viv is having the team write is unneeded, toxic and just adds to more drama, WE LITERALLY ONLY GET DRAMA! Especially for the families.
I have repeated this over and over and OVER but the COMPLETE DESTRUCTION of Stellas character is what stopped me from watching. You can still make her evil, you can still make her a villain. But maybe make her a bit MORE than a fucking cutout. Instead of 'oh she was just evil from birth!" because thats not really realistic. You dont need a whole flashback but you cant just make her a big elephant to point at and say "See? Stolas isnt THAT bad I mean look at Stella!!" And like they couldve had something so interesting. She could have been a vengeful royal woman who cares about her reputation because her parents instilled it into her at a young age; that reputation is all that matters. She can still be hurt that stolas cheated on her because yknow, thats a normal thing to do. They were BOTH forced into the marriage. The show tries to make it seem like stella forced stolas into marriage but it seems to forget that they both had the unfortunate happening of being forced into a marriage. But nope Stella is a child who is evil from birth and who deserves to be cheated on. Hell it seems like before she had some traits, like saying 'i want that CHEATING prick dead' for example. It makes her whole speal about 'im here to TORMENT you' sound out of fucking nowhere.. Even that line alone enforces my point; the way the story is written makes it seem like as a child she saw stolas and said 'i want to torture him for the rest of my life'. but most likely she didnt have a choice either!! You couldve had an interesting and most of all TRAGIC character that maybe, took the divorce and learned that reputation isnt everything and maybe couldve turned into someone who is still bad but is *trying*. She has probably gone through the exact same trauma stolas has, actually. Is any of this thought of or considered? No, because inherently heluva boss has a tendency of hating all of its female characters.
It is weird how this series babyfies Stolas. Was not the whole point that these characters are demons in hell, so they are all terrible and evil from the get-go? Why is this set in hell at all?
@@TOMNICE exactly. And it seems awfully convenient that everyone who critiques blitzo is awfully ignorant of how he cheated on his wife and is literally coercing blitzo into having sex with him. The only person who really says anything (I think) is Octavia but whenever she says “you cheated on mum” it’s not really taken seriously (If im wrong just say but I’m pretty sure). And stolas isn’t ever like “oh I’m so sorry I cheated on your mother” to Octavia. Stolas is never ever ever wrong, which can be interesting as a character but only if the show ALSO agrees that what he’s doing is wrong and doesn’t paint stolas as the victim.
I agree with the first part of the video so much. It feels like current Stolas and past Stolas are 2 completely different characters. It seems like the show wanted to make Stolas more rational and moral but with everything he did before that the show refuses to bring up now, it just comes off as him being a hypocrite. Also, there is this weird thing where they potray Blitz as this "misunderstood" anti-social character that manipulated Stolas and pushes him away despite begging for his attention internally. Even though demeaning a person throughout the relationship then insisting "I never did that" is much more manipulative; and back in season 1 Blitz was (justifiably) very repelled both internally and externally by how demeaning Stolas was and only fucked him to run his business. Blitz is toxic asf but Stolas is much more manipulative in this relationship. It would've been better if these were 2 seperate relationship dynamics in 2 different shows, where did the dynamic of season 1 go?
@edifiedermine9247 that's good. She really does give off the vibe that she had a trauma past, and her only way of coping with it is by pretending to be snobby or angry towards others.
@@narutouzamaki2907 I think she really is that angry. From her behaviour it seems like the thing she values the most is her status, and she isn’t super fond of being with stolas because she thinks he’s pathetic. She talked very badly about him to other members of the goetia family to make him seem inferior whilst making herself seem superior. She’s furious when stolas cheats on her because it was with an imp specifically. Someone on the lowest class. That’s embarrassing for her. I’m excited for the show to cover this in more detail
@edifiedermine9247 Even so, stolas isn't to blame. Yes, she can lie, but she said it herself that he put no effort into the relationship. But eh, I only think this way because when she was first introduced, her portrait was literally her strangling a demon. Definitely some family issues.
@@narutouzamaki2907 I mean.. Stolas cheating isn’t the greatest but it’s a show about hell so…. I don’t know exactly what’s alright for hell and what isn’t 🤷♀️ I do like Stolas as a character I think he’s great, he just sucks at life
HB is putting far too much of the blame on Blitz. If this show wants me to root for Stolitz, they REALLY need to let Stolas see how much HE messed up, too.
@@nappa1381although I do agree that they seriously need to acknowledge stolas's flaws. The show never really put any actual blame on blitz. And throughout the fandom, people excuse every flaw blitz has to. It's only until recently in these new episodes that blitz has actually faced the consequences of his stupid actions.
@@Jakky_clarkk Blitz is the only one who has apologized. That entire episode is dedicated to showing how many lives Blitz has affected. So far, he is the only one getting consequences for his actions. Even if it’s not directly stated, at this point Blitz is being depicted as more in the wrong. I hope that changes, but as Kamen said, Vizie has a tendency to drop the ball on stuff like this.
@@nappa1381the sad part is that stolas didn't Apologize yet. It very much Seems like his apology is trying to make up for what he did but Its sadly not the same. But blitz doesn't seem to be in the wrong to anybody across the entire fandom. Nothing can convince me otherwise. And I've seen it all, He is favored by the show and he is favored by the fans. A little too much-💀
@@nappa1381 To be fair, this is also the first episode we've gotten since Full Moon, and it's been indicated in the trailer that we'll have more time with Stolas and his side of the issue somewhere within the next three, so I think we just need to be a little more patient and see how things go from here!
As a fan of both shows now I accept his opinions! There’s one thing I can fix this show have the “target of the day” and the stolis and blitzo relationship split into their own episodes! I really like the target of the day episodes a lot more!
@@Hayakoneko Thanks! I love the shirts I buy at the store sharkrobot! (Ever heard that store?) It’s like my new hot topic! (Either that or Spencer’s?) I bought shirts of blitzo and alastor! And Moxxie too!
I’m just done with Stolas. I just don’t care anymore with what’s going on with helluva boss. It’s just a animated Soap Opera and I don’t have time for that. Simple a waste of time, money & animation. The Pilot Version of Stolas is far more intriguing and has great villain vibes. Plus the Pilot voice actor (Brock Baker) did a much better job then current one. I’ll take what I can from the pilots from both HH & HB and be happy not watching the rest of the shows.
I think they had to fire Brock Baker over SA allegations? If he had stayed a pervert, people would hate him even more. That's the corner they put themselves in when they started that in the first place.
@@maxkennedy7430 They had to fire Brock. There were SA allegations. If Stolas had stayed that way, a lot of fans couldn't stomach watching that for long. Sex jokes are only taking it so far.
I like his current voice actor too, he's talented. I'd say they just go for a different approach. But I agree with you about Stolas. I hate how many times HB shows him crying with smeared make up(?) and force you to feel bad for him, and the way it regresses the characters to fuel the relationship drama. You know what? I would actually be interested in it, if it wasn't written like this.
What happened with Stella in season two in my opinion I think they went with because it didn’t register for a lot of people in episode two season one where she was more focused that he slept with an imp than the fact he cheated on her
This. Even though I’m not the biggest fan of how one-dimensional Stella is (I really wish the show would flesh out her background and what relationship she has with Octavia), I think it’s rather disingenuous when people claim that her character was “changed” to make Stolas seem like a better person. There is absolutely no evidence to support that. She was an absolute tool from the start.
@@egg_l0rd13 i've been saying the whole time there was never anything in season 1 that showed stella as a good person (if anything even in the flashback in episode 2 showed there marriage probably wasn't sunshine and rainbows) but it was easily the most BORING route to take her character
@@egg_l0rd13 she was definitely meant to be unsympathetic from the start, but it seems like they went further and further with exaggerating just how horrid she is to make stolas's own shitty behavior easier to justify. she went from rude and unlikeable to actively wanting stolas dead for no real reason (for money, i guess? but why would she want that, she's already got all the money she could ever ask for??) it just feels like they threw every single bad character trait you could give a character onto her with zero possible redeeming trait (not even acknowledging that she's just as trapped in this loveless arranged marriage as stolas is) because that might make it harder to sympathize for poor baby stolas.
I would give anything for a scene of Stella and her daughter making mischief at one of her parties after an older relative tells Octavia to fix her posture or something. "There's a time and place to save face, but this is OUR party and he's an old fart, let's put ketchup in his drink," or something. Stella never came off as someone with airs about her, and Octavia's disregard for her high social status can't all come from her father since he carries himself much more properly. I just want one positive interaction, ONE. Then she'd be much more believable as a wicked ex wife, show the reason WHY she's so furious about their marriage breaking down, she should not be that attached to their family unit with what we're shown.
@@jasperjazzie I think it was more to make things obvious for those who didn’t catch it the first time and I don’t think it’s money that she wants that’s her brother but Stella is more worried about her reputation I mean if Stolas did it with someone of equal or higher rank she wouldn’t have cared but it was the fact it was a imp that upset her and let’s not forget about how she threw Pringles at Stolas and Pringles only crime was that he was at arms reach of her
What happened between Stolas and Blitz is both their faults as both failed to communicate in a way the other would understand and unintentionally hurt them Stolas self depreciates Blitz is self destructive
@@area52ronseriously. There are so many people who are stating that ONLY Stolas is in the wrong while blitz is a precious little victim. But in reality they both need Time and development to ACTUALLY improve.
Yep both are bad at relationships. Blitz being self destructive has been hammered to us so hard in several episodes... if you forget it now or you think "This was never the intention" Then either viv's writing is bad... or you aren't paying attention. Stolas self depreciates cause he was sheltered and controlled. Wich is why he took control of the relationship with Blitz and to this day he still controls it. Both of them have trauma and issues to overcome.. but in the latest episodes? Blitz is less bad then Stolas by a small margain. Both of them think they can IMPROVE but their ways are wrong. But the only one who seems to be doing it better and right at the end of Apology tour is... Blitz. Ironically through out this episode Blitz been trying to fix things honestly and just not understanding everything. Also he let's Stolas be happy.. while he wallows in sadness. Meanwhile Stolas...? Still trying to control everything... still not over his trauma and still just not being in reality. Stolas self depricates and just is a dreamer... that is all Stolas cares about in the end... He never saw Blitz for Blitz.. he saw Blitz as a "dream" , "a fake reality" ever since the 1st time they met.
Absolutely this. I know Stolas is “problematic”, but honestly so is Blitzo. They’re both extremely flawed characters and I don’t really like how so many people go straight to blaming one or the other or suggesting that either one of them being “bad people” is bad writing. Last time I checked, characters being flawed people whose actions have negative consequences makes for an interesting story.
@@kotlolish exactly. although Im very happy blitz finally got to realize his actions effect others and he's "supposedly" ganna improve. But we really need to start seeing actually development in Stolas. I don't even necessarily think they're bad characters. I was just pointing out that blitz has flaws as well and he is ALSO very much in the wrong. I hope that in the future of the show they could BOTH own up to what they have caused to one another.
I just hate how the show still keeps trying to push their relationship even though it is clearly shown they're too toxic for each other. Like if the idea is they eventually realize their flaws, don't end up together, and actually try remedying their past mistakes in healthy ways, then I can kinda get behind that! But unfortunately it doesn't seem like the show is trying to go that direction, cause no matter what happens they just make each other worse. Like bro this thirsty lovesick bird nonstop prioritizes trying to get with Blitz OVER fixing things with his own daughter without consequence. The healthier option is for them to end their relationship for good, but nah they can't cause the main plot of the show now IS their toxic yaoi drama.
Honestly? At this point? I need Stolas to be dragged through mud by the balls for me to believe he got punished enough by the narrative. That guy did so much shit.
People keep saying Stolas will get punished for his behavior when Via calls him out.. but I have HUGE issues with that. His treatment of Blitz and Via aren't the same, and one being addressed does not make the other okay. Also, Via is obviously being manipulated by her mother and whatever happened to turn her against Stolas won't be his own fault, I'm sure the story will insist he did everything he can to reach her, but her mom kept them apart. So Vias anger will be misguided and reflect badly on her and her mom/Andy. People will once again leave the episode thinking "Poor Stolas did nothing wrong and still gets hurt" Via also hates Blitz, so it's more likely fans are going to hate Blitz even more for making Stolas daughter hate him. There has to be an episode addressing that Stolas is classist, racist, fetishsized imps and kidnappings (he has no right to be angry that Bliz didn't save him from Striker) but I don't think it'll ever happen. Blitz already forgave Stolas and sees himself as the problem so Stolas has no reason to change or apologize
@@Eric6761 exactly. They love to tell but don't show with Stolas. Half his effort in improving is just text or told in the most unsubtle way. You never know where he is because next episode might just drop that he donated his fortune to Blitz over the last few months because he's just that good of a guy. Whatever he is critisized for comes up later. Like people criticize him now for his opulence while Blitz is sleeping on a couch, I bet it'll be revealed that Stolas sent him a fancy bed set and keys to a mansion but he turned it down xD cause every flaw he has isn't real, he's perfect
It was all going great for Stolas as a character until the writers suddenly decided in Ozzie's that he had romantic feelings for Blitzø, unprompted by anything. Stolas pre-Ozzie's is a completely different character
You're not wrong, while the miscommunication feels real like how people talk, it sympathizes with stolas too much to the point where when it actually holds him accountable it may feel too little too late. Generally these are well written scenes, but it makes the relationship feel too imbalanced. BUT we also have a problem that 'its my duty to point out criticisms' are often really people complaining about personal preferences instead of people making efforts to try to understand what the work is actually trying to do and not purely relying on their first impressions (like im one to talk, I do this all the time) Stolas flaws are there and they are subtle, but literally like two moments of making those subtle moments less subtle would do a lot. Honestly I think the biggest factor may even be less the shows writing than it is releasing the episodes this far apart so fans perceptions of characters get locked in place for too long.
Oh wow - I'm surprised this video got on your radar :) I do agree that the "it's my duty" and people are complaining about personal preferences - I mean, as critics, it's easy to fall into that trap and I'm not going say that I don't fall into that trap all the time too - Cause I agree we do need to analyze the work for what it does, not what we want it to be. I do think that the potential for this to be a strong pay off is there, but I have this gnawing feeling in the back of my head that it'll just be shy of the bulls'eye - If that makes any sense. I appreciate the feedback and your two cents on this :)
@@Mangakamen Makes perfect sense, I have the same fear, but I'll give my two cents to add to my existing cents another day. Appreciate your thoughts :)
I can’t help but notice every time someone brings up valid criticisms you complain about “personal preference”. It’s not a “preference” to point out that the show is heavily criticizing the wrong character
@@BirdyboysApology Tour is not about criticizing Blitz. It’s about the shared flawed behavior between Blitz, Stolas, and Verosika. It being centered on Blitz is the flaw Stolas, Verosika, and Blitz himself have if that makes any sense. Like for Stolas, he can’t recognize what he’s done wrong but he can can recognize what he perceives Blitz has done wrong. For Verosika, she always perceives Blitz in a negative light, never leaving room for nuance. Then Blitz himself, he only wants other to perceive him the way he does, with hate. Their ALL focused on their own perception of reality and disregard everything else. This shared flaw is what the episode is actually about, with Blitz being the one to try to overcome it. The show is not just doing this to criticize Blitz, they’re doing this to develop him.
2:16 - 2:18 This is the second time I've seen the exact quote being used from Hellsing Abridged for Helluva Boss like damn, guess we need him as a therapist for Stolitz then.
I'm personally disappointed by the fact that they haven't done more with Octavia you will be okay is a gorgeous beautiful legitimately effective emotional scene that does a fantastic job of establishing just How Deeply he cares for his daughter and it was in an aspect done so well that I was willing to take him becoming a serious character as a thing considering prior he was basically just a joke. As for the relationship with blitz I'm not opposed to it but I'm at this point not watching the last three episodes that have come out because I want this Arc to be done with. I I'm so disappointed by season 2 of lack of focus there have been some great episodes in here that work both on the character writing level and are entertaining get the story keeps just jarringly jumping from one thing to the next we're following one thing for way longer than it should.
What I hate about this is that the show sometimes treats it seriously and sometimes it doesn't even acknowledge what's wrong or screws up the pacing of this conflict. Back when season 1 ended there was a first drama between them. Blitzo inviting Stolas to a club only because he wanted to spy on M&M's while Stolas not defending Blitzo against public humiliation Fizz, Ozzie and Verosika were doing. Back then I thought season 2 is gonna start with them being not cool with each other, having a serious talk about what was going on there, but nah the show just casually forgets about that incident and only shows us some text messages for 3 seconds, real lazy... Just as we had a confontation between them where episode ends with Stolas saying goodbye etc., the next episode just shows a casual scene of them talking to each other being salty and all. It's really weird that back when we really needed a serious scene between them to talk things over, there was none, but when it's not suitable to have a scene like that we got one.
Nothing she says is believable, remember she said Millie will get an episode? That was literally Unhappy Campers and then they make that short with her and her sister the focused episode THEN REMEMBER WHEN SHE SAID SHE TAKES GOOD FAITH CRITUCISM?! The criticism on the awful writing, potty mouths, inconsistency with existing knowledge & characters, Hell not feeling like Hell and so many other issues? HAZBIN IS STILL AS BAD AS HELLUVA BOSS SEASON 2! Oh and suuuure she will improve with the issues of HB S2 and Hazbin but guess what? THERE IS STILL A PROBLEM AND MORE LIES! Cherubs & Dhorks are supposed to be Plot B and people shouldn't excuse anything on "She could've gave more time", THERE WAS PLENTY OF TIME to give Stolitz but nope nonono oh nonono, Viv could've easily given a chunk of the episode time run to Stolitz. And even after that, people seriously believe Viv is honest, a saint and mean well but I'm not that kind of person, she has been given too many chances to prove she understands and cares but I lost respect or believed once Hazbin came out that she is capable of proving me wrong but instead, I was proven right and that isn't everything that made me see who she really is.
Other shows and old ones would already have this fixed way earlier and have better ways to deal with things especially romance, Code Lyoko has William say this to sulking Ulrich after he is told to be the problem *"No that would be too easy Ulrich, let me tell you what's wrong around here, my being around Yumi forces yourself to ask yourself a question, a tough question that you can't answer. Here's a piece of friendly advice, go and talk to Yumi, from the heart or else one day, I will then I really will be your problem"*
Unfortunately for you. It’s no longer fully canon (or no longer fully semi-canon in my opinion)… despite being nodded throughout S1 and S2, including the current episode.
@@nicolpineda8632 rumor has it she changed her mind about making Stolas a villain after murder family so she just decided the pilot was non canon despite the show making constant references to it
@Birdyboys Another problem I have with her is she shares to much on Twitter about the shows. Like normally, creaters comment funny extra facts about the character or worldbilding that don't damage the story itself. But viv comments MAYOR PLOT RELATED FACTS IN TWITTER instead of adding them in the show. In both HH and HB was never addressed how dead works in hell. They never say what's the difference between a hellborn or a sinner or that sinners respawn and hellborns don't. She said that on Twitter. She even said in Twitter that The VEES are going to be the main villains for season two in HH! WHAT WAS THE POINT OF TELLING THAT?! New hazbin hotel fans don't have the world building from the first season, they have to do outside research to get that information!!
The difference between characters you hate and characters you love to hate is whether the show is aware the character is doing hatable things. At the moment, I am not seeing a clear evidence whether the show wants to agree with Stolas or if it wants us to think he is a Hypocrite.
Honestly, it’s purely just a writing issue. It’s beyond clear that Viv only has and only wants to be sureounded by yes-men/women. She can’t handle criticism, and she doesn’t want to improve her writing, or even just step the hell aside and let someone else do the writing. No, nothing’s perfect, but the shows could be a HELLUV’a’lot better, but she just doesn’t seem to want or think so. Which is a damn shame, but seeing how far-left leaning she and the sycophantic fanbase is, that’s just par for the course.
It's a Viv issue, she's the one who greenlit this years and has shows made like this, the way they're written is not just a factor but how she has the team do the episodes, she even accepts how the structure and pacing is done.
Helluva Boss and, in addition, Hazbin Hotel, are many things positive than negative I would desrcibe both of them as. But having a thoughtful story is not on that list. Emotional, maybe, but not thought out.
Can we apply the logic that if a game series jumps around between various different consoles for no apparent good reason, and especially requires books and movies as well, to understand the core main games at all that it's bad storytelling?
I'm rly hoping that in season 3, stolas will start to realise he's put himself in a bubble of victimhood, and that he's actually hurting everyone around him with HIS actions. I also rly wish that stella got to be affected by his cheating, sure she doesn't have to care abt him or love him, but maybe her friends r distancing themselves from her, or maybe she's avoided cheating all this time and is upset that he didn't even try to do the same, after all, she was forced to marry him too
worst is this show REAL LEAKS of an episode of stolas daugther finding his happy pills and becoming a villian is real. They don't see hes a monster & they only want people to feel bad for him over people who CLEARLY have it worse
While im a long watcher of your reviews usually I don't comment on them, and this will probably get lost in the sea of comments. But I want to talk about how this video actually kind of helped me think about myself a little bit. As as weird as this may seem stole this has been a character that I highly connect with due to having a lot of similarities. I will not go into detail on all the similarities, but it's been pointed out even to me before when watching with friends. That I very much talk and even sometimes almost emulate the character but I've been doing it for years. And the whole testing that you brought up. I realize is something I've been doing for a long time, as the sense of betrayal oh that I've had in my life as well as the untrusting nature of the world around me. Has definitely made me make this decision in both friendships and relationships. I've never really realized how destructive it is until today since I've never been able to seek therapy but know I probably need it. It works well as a good defense mechanism when first getting to know someone, but it's a little ridiculous to affect a significant other or a long-term friend with.... Tldr: thanks for making me learn something about myself and maybe realizing my own faults. ^•^
7:10 this is similar to how I feel the writing goes down for the show when I stoped watching and thought about it. They planned it in their head but when it comes to writing because they already know information they forgot that WE don’t, Then they didn’t put information in the show as from their pov it’s redundant info.
And Blitz into someone he never was, the episodes will never change that this is not how these two are, they expect me to be dense and have short term memory but I'm not at all that.
I definitely agree with the "testing". Stolas was more calculative in that whole conversation set up that his fans think. He ensured he was in a position of power during the conversation by preparing for months, not giving a warning about the conversation happening, let alone the topic, wearing full regalia with a friggin CROWN (it's kind of funny how rarely he wears clothes at home, so it stood out), setting it in his home, and by choosing a full moon night, when Blitz knows he has to make Stolas happy. He then tested Blitz's reaction by saying he was taking the book away. Once Blitz started crying, begging to stay, and promising he would 'do better' for Stolas, Stolas felt confident enough that he would get the response he wanted (Blitz agreeing to a relationship) that he moved on to the confession. His confession then included some somewhat unreasonable things, such as a slipped in request for Blitz to move in with him ("I want you to stay here, with me") which were definitely in the "test" category. When he didn't get the fantasy reaction he was wanting, Stolas was immediately disengaged. His entire focus was on how Blitz could provide him with what he wanted, that as soon as it became apparent Blitz wanted something else, Stolas dropped all interest and sought new options.
As someone who simps for Stolas because damn the man is gorgeous, he really pissed me off the last 2 episodes. He's so in his own head and so out of touch, he doesn't realize the first thing he's doing wrong. And then when he finally admits it, it's him being gaslit by everyone around him at the most biased thing ever a "Fuck Blitz" party. Rather than having fought him and linger over that thought all night, and instead you know really think what happened in the first place, things might've gone differently. NOW for the sake of conflict this is 100% fine, I love it. But people defending Stolas gotta stop. They're both fucked up demons but Stolas threw Blitz out mid apology and would've gotten just what he wanted. Shows what happens when you don't breathe~ But either way, Stolas may be gorgeous but he's as stupid as he is pretty
It's perfectly fine if this is for conflict - That makes great narratives, but it comes with a risk, and Stolas needs to have a wake up call for this specific element of the writing.
@@Mangakamen That's what I'm hoping for. If he comes out of this with 0 consequences after everything, it's just gonna come off as boot licking, because what else am I supposed to take away from rich dude that sees 0 consequences once again has 0 consequences? Just because he's gay that's supposed to give him a pass?
The narrative when it comes to Stolas is similar to how those webtoon stories where the protagonist does really messed up things yet the narrative just goes in their favor without them facing any consequences, which just makes me see the 2nd season as if some soup opera webtoon that was a fanfic of season 1 got turned into an animated show
I think the biggest issue with Stolas' arc is the release format for Helluva Boss. Having to wait multiple months between episodes makes the plot feel it is progressing at a snail's pace. That and the lack of acknowledgement from sympathetic characters whose opinions and voices we're meant to take seriously calling Stolas out for his bad behaviours. Either they are villains we are meant to see as evil and wrong, or they're Octavia or Blitzo, the former whom always forgives Stolas despite him doing the bare minimum to earn said forgiveness, or Blitzo who is also somewhat to blame for how things have spiralled downhill. By comparison there is no shortage of people to call out Blitzo on his bullshit - and now he's finally admitting that he's a shitty person who wants to change. Where Stolas stumbled into an anti-Blitzo echo chamber which is telling him that Blitzo is the problem, not him. But mostly it's the release schedule making it seem the writers don't realise how much of a hypocrite and an asshole Stolas is.
They had no resonable excuse for Stolas to cheated on his wife, so they just made Stella a one-noted villain with no redeeming quality, even tho she also got put in the same position as him when they were children. They really are 2 face of the same coin but the writers are incabable of doing their job without tripping on each other.
Tbf Stella could’ve at least treated Stolas with respect instead of being horrible to him. If I was forced into an arranged marriage, I’d be frustrated too but I would never take it out on my partner.
The way the whole narrative paints stolas as some sort of poor baby boy when hes a grown ass owl who: - cheated on his wife (shes horrible, i get that, but stooping to her level wont solve anything) - neglects his daughter, even in "seeing stars" HE wasnt the one to find her because he was too busy with blitz - abuses imps, treats them like crap or just cute pets - fetishizes and dehumanizes his love interest Like, none of these things are due to circumstances, they were all HIM
Storywriting is difficult, as is complex storywriting, but it's okay that it is! It gives you a feeling that not everyone and everything is black and white, and there are shades of grey. Nobody is 100% good or 100% bad. If they'd acknowledged Stolas' mistakes as much as Blitzø's, then the storywriting and story overall would've worked because Season 1 was alright (Episode 6 was one of the best episodes overall in my opinion), but Season 2 has a lot of issues. It's okay that there are issues, but with the way the story is? The issues don't make sense, and I feel like Vivzie's main problem with writing is accidental hypocrisy. The fact that her stories are set in Hell gives a lot to work with and can be interesting, but the plot isn't really done well. I'm not saying there can't be flaws in writing because no story is perfect, but it all depends on how the writing is handled that can leave an impact on the entire story as a whole. With Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss, it's kind of eh.
I always thought that the premise of Helluva Boss was to be a comedy and that Stolas and Blitzo relationship wasn't meant to be serious at all Like that Blitzo doesn't love Stolas because he only cares for the book for his busness while Stolas is obsessed over him because sex. Heck in the first episode Blitzo have an allarm bottom in case Stolas bothers him. Sure that means that their relationship is not healthy and one sided, but it's fitting for black humour But NOPE they have a thing and the fact that now is portrayed as a relationship that we have to take seriously makes their relationships even more unhealthy
I agree a character being a hypocrite isn’t the problem it’s when the story doesn’t recognize it is my problem best example of hypocrisy being done right is with jojo part 4-7 villains they’re all technically hypocrites & the story recognizes it but when it doesn’t recognize u Diane from bojack horseman Hayley from American dad Lois from family guy & stolis
I liked watching this show but then after watching Full Moon I realized I wasn't really laughing or enjoying it, bc the humor was mostly sex jokes or "haha swear is funny" stuff. When I looked back at what I DID enjoy it was stuff with IMP and their dynamic,,, now the show is a shipping drama and we only have maybe 3-4 episodes that are actually about the IMP working their job, y'know, the hook of the show.
IRL, couples who argue frequently for long periods of time end up in a very bitter unhealthy relationship full of resentment. Either they both have to change substantially to make it work out, or they need to break up for good. I always thought that Sterling Archer & Lana separating was one of the most adult things I've ever seen in adult animation, while Ranma 1/2 took the more toxic approach of normalizing arguments as cute & ending after the hookup because the relationship would have soured after they had kids.
The way I see it is that both characters are very messy. They both have a lot of trauma and emotional baggage that wont let them see how their actions affect others. The point of their characters aren't supposed to be that one is "better" than the other. Blitz is the main character, so of course we're going to see more of him and his unhealthy habits. What I didn't like about Apology Tour is how it painted Blitz and Stolas as separate characters. The writers making it seem as though Stolas isn't the one at fault by throwing him a pity party and throwing a new possible love interest in the mix. And this is more of a personal gripe, but the party was for EXES, not one night stands. A majority of the people at that party were people Blitz interacted with ONCE in his life that he didn't even remember. I feel like it would have been better to show genuine times he messed up and pushed people who cared about him away, like Verosika. Instead of having background characters be like "oh, I hate Blitzo, hes an asshole", have him overhear conversations of them explaining what he did to then and how THEY viewed his actions.
My reaction to Helluvaboss “I like the characters Personalty they’re funnys” Me now “I like the character and concept of funny assassins… BUT DAMN IT THEY FUMBLE THE BAG!!!”
Great video, as always! I never got the hype around this ship, and now I feel like the show is TRYING to get me to hate it more the way they write this shit 💀✋
It’s frustrating to watch as the narrative acts like he’s progressing but don’t acknowledge what he actually did wrong with Blitz, instead that he feels bad. If the deal is seen as purely transactional and not coercive, why does Stolas feel guilty? The longer the show goes on, ignoring that aspect, the more unlikeable he becomes.
Stolas is such a badly written mess. He was supposed to be an antagonist in this series, but the creator decided to turn the premise of Helluva Boss from an adult comedy like South Park, and turned it into a Yaoi fanfic. What’s worse is that he’s a terrible father to Octavia as he just neglects her just so he can be with Blitzo. And people complained that Peter Griffin, Randy Marsh, Stan Smith, Steven Stotch and Stuart McCormick were bad parents. Stolas makes the other bad parents like Denji’s Dad from Chainsaw Man, Kaneki’s Aunt from Tokyo Ghoul, Shizuka’s Dad from Zom 100, Sagiri’s Dad from Hell’s Paradise, Hibiki’s Parents from Loser Ranger, Roberto’s Mom from X-Men 97, Willie’s Dad from Batman Beyond, Rasa from Naruto, Saki from Your Lie in April and Fire Lord Ozai look better by comparison. Hell, their relationship was the worst part of the show as it not only stole focus from Millie, Moxie and Loona, but the relationship itself was just Stolas using Blizto for sex and Blizto just using Stolas’ status just for his own gains. Maybe Stolas and Blitzo should not get back together as their relationship is the main flaw of their characters and instead they should focus on trying to be better people.
I'm glad people are calling Stolas out on his hypocrisy, while I think both have a lot to work on, it was mainly Stolas who is to blame for how Fullmoon turned out. His approach was wrong and shows the ignorance he has as royalty that stands above Blitzø even if Stolas himself doesn't acknowledge the fact. Many people praised Stolas being cynical and talking back to Blitzø in Apology Tour but I absolutely hated that version of him, he seemed condescending like a child who didn't get his favorite toy and is now sulking in response. How anyone who likes his character can find enjoyment in him acting so immature is beyond me. I like Stolas so it was painful to watch. I hope he'll get his own version of Apology Tour.
The biggest problem with stolas is that the narrative doesn't ever all him out for the flaws writers or notes in descriptions of episodes do. Theres no build up within the show and the characters that stolas will be held accountable or that he's in the wrong. If the only build up you have to a moment is something in a trailer thats not build up
I was agreeing with you on Stolas... until you said something about Stolas ''testing'' Blitzo as a manipulation. I've looked up the word ''testing'' and, I'm pretty sure it means ''to prove by trial'', ''the act or practice of giving tests to measure someone's knowledge or ability''. I looked up as to how testing can be manipulative, and... I couldn't find any results. So, this is the first time I have ever heard about testing as a manipulative tactic. I say the better word to describe it would be guilt-tripping.
... really? You couldn't find ANY results? I literally typed in "Is testing Manipulative" or "is testing someone a form of manipulation" and I was able to find it. It's an actual thing that happens, and I think it's kinda unfair to say that it isn't. Also, no, that's not Guilt-Tripping. Guilt Tripping can include Sarcastic or passive-aggressive statements. Passive-aggressive or sarcastic comments are often intended to make you feel excessively guilty or ashamed, Implying you owe them something. Playing the victim. Refusing to tell you what you did wrong. What I described is testing, not guilt tripping.
@@Mangakamen I typed in “definition of testing” and couldn’t find results. It’s only when I typed “is testing manipulative” that I found out what it was. Sorry about that.
Helluva boss has been a huge inspiration on my own scripts. I was inspired to write better! (Midnight gospel inspired me too, but that show is a more positive influence)
The worst part of this is Viv greenlit this, she didn't even care to make genuine changes to improve and Hazbin which is written recently with her on a few episodes and does not improve ANYTHING, not just HB Season 2 but the Pilot of HH, we could've seen this official show really improve and quality of humor sharpen but no, to her everything else is fine. FM even confirmed more Viv is a lier and I knew her statement "No Stolas is wrong too" was A LOUD OF CRXP, it's just Blitz. Hazbin was all I needed, I knew where FM was going AND AT. Also why do you think my pfps are different franchise villains and has been XANA from Code Lyoko before Krika from BIONICLE? Because of this exact problem, I'm still a Helluvaverse fan but I'm not a fan of the official writing, pacing, timing for moments and structure as a cartoon atleast after Season 1 Episode 7, I hope that is made clear.
Honestly one of the biggest problems I have with this whole thing is actually the fandom. I can't consume anything Helluva Boss related without seeing someone harass another person over liking either fictional character, as if the animated bird or demon are real people. It's so, SO childish.
1:22 Yuesei and Akiza. *Korvo and Terry(Solar Opposites) > Blitz and Stolas* Seriously a Two Aliens husbands living a dysfunctional family with two kids and baby/pet have healthy relationships than two demons. Korvac and Terry do communicate with each other. Even Fizzaolli and Ozzie has a healthy relationship than Blitz and Stolas. Fizzaolli has done a great way to explain why he works so hard to be a clown. I do agree hypocrisy can work as long someone calls outs of that character’s hypocrisy or the character is aware of their own hypocrisy. As Ozzie and Fizzaolli owns up to their hypocrisy as they actually loving each other rather having Lustful relationship. After all they been through Their open how much they love other each. Fizzaolli quit is best suit but Lust Ring is still going with any consequences or not. Then again Ozzie and Fizz are not main leads. 4:37 Even when Stolas was Drunk he did shouted he wants someone to love him like in Rom Com. *Edit:* Also Stolas said to Blitz “Everyone cares about you they throw a f*¢king party” that is literally not the same thing. If so, Stellas really cares and love Stolas she hires an assassin to kill him. 5:42 You watch Classic D Man too? I like Classic D Man but do have some bad takes. He is a Shill of Amber from Invincible(he literally cut her tantrum on campus and her about to cheat on mark) And He made a misconception of Jonathan Joestar wants to friends with Dio. Ignores the fact that Jonathan was dying, he trying to Erina and baby Lisa Lisa. 6:15 Really hypocritical for Stolas get mad at Blitz for taking care of daughter and Blitz send Moxie and Mille to protect Stolas. And Blitz did text Stolas if he is okay after striker. 4:37 I bet People gonna use Blitz and Stolas’ the childhood friends defense to support Stolas never looks down on Blitz. Even Stloas though hold a good memory of Bltiz(and yes adults have good memories I use the Simpson episode The Way we Weren’t as example) and calling him his only friend. But they spent time together only a day. People do change in years. Holding an old memory is just your visual ideal of that person. And Stolas did wants to sleep with Bltiz(thus cheating his wife) and Blitz has sex with Stolas out of pity and a way to keep the book. 7:13 Testing is really an annoying trope. Like is it really necessary to test someone like they are lab rat? Even after all Stolas said he didn’t respond he was serious, this is not role play, he just gave up. And Bltiz cannot tell if he serious or not. And Stolas didn’t give Blitz a chance to process and explain. When Bltiz get angry about dismissing imps he is kinda right about Stolas is dismissing Blitz and imps. 10:38 It sounds like Octavia said Father. I even looked at the Subs. It said Father. I swear if they’re gonna do a twist. 10:54 There should been a follow up after that incident not immediately ignore Even Solar Opposites got it right. In Season 3 finale The Solar Opposite gave up using their Sci-Fi tech, Korvac and Terry gets Normal jobs just to make the Pupa happy. That Plotline still continues until the end of 2nd episode of Season 4. *I just use two good examples from Solar Opposites.* 12:42 *I Still say it is Tsundere thing.* If Loona doesn’t moment realizing his father’s life is getting worst and Loona doesn’t stay his side. Then I will agree with you. But as in Now Loona is a Tsundere. 13:31 Stellas being a b!t¢h is her only personality. Her brother have come up with scheme not her. And I agree we shouldn’t downplay everything Stolas went through by still cannot excuse his actions. So I also hope we can what show offers in next 3 episodes. All we got from Stolas and Stellas’ relationship before the affair, is that she only verbally abusive. She not towards him but Stella talk Badly about Stolas to her friends at party. Even though Stlellas iterally said to Stolas, *he doesn’t have to come to party.* Stolas still choose to go party on his own will and listen wife talk s*!t about him? Why? Stolas could just spend time with daughter rather listening to wife talking s*!t about him. 14:40 I Agree There be more episode where Stolas continues trying to be a good dad to Octavia. Like, he spends less time with her while Blitz spend time with Loona 24/7. 14:48 Again it sounds like Octavia said Father. But subs in this timestamp said mother. I don’t know. Is there a malfunction? 15:18 Is the live stream is reveal that Imps and Sinners not the same? I have own up to my mistake. This data corruption made a failure as A.I. 16:34 That is the worst writing trope in romance. Only one person gets the blame. Realistically it is not always one person to be in wrong. It can be both sides of the relationship in the wrong. 16:50 Oh yeah, no one pay you $200 bucks to talk about Monkey Wrench, right? I do hope there are consequences of Stolas’ actions as well. 17:06 I’d Cartoonshi’ Star vs the Force evil ranking video. It was good.
Can you do a video on how to do a series finally well? I just saw a video on how badly Star vs the Forces of Evil so badly. Reminded me of how well Gravity Falls did theirs and there are others to compare and contrast too.
"I dunno if he's there yet, but he certainly is on the edge of being a terrible one.." As one who's been manipulated before, he is.. he most definitely is.
If I were Vivziepop and wrote the story, I would make Stolas just a one dimensional villain, swap his screentime with Stella, make Stella sympathetic instead of unlikeable and self-centred (for example, showing her slowly warming up to him overtime, but having him not feel the same), and make it so that people could see both perspectives of the arranged marriage in one episode. I would also throw the Stolas and Blitzo meeting each other as kids generic cliche in the garbage. Then have Stolas continuously neglect his daughter after he cheats on Stella, and have Stella and Octavia team up with I.M.P to stop Stolas from harassing and coercing Blitzo. That's just my idea.
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You should show this video to Vivziepop
Stolas Is a true hypocrite if feel terrible for blitz
Poo!
The fact that BLITZ is shown to be a better father than Stolas speaks volumes when comparing them in a relationship. In the current episodes, Blitz has been dogpiled both by fans & by in-universe characters for being a selfish person while Stolas is woobified as a depressed romantic. That's not to say they don't have these same character traits, but when comparing they're other relationships, especially with their daughters, shows a serious issue with one having more development than the other. Blitz loves Loona like his own flesh & blood, despite her closed-off attitude & society itself viewing her species of hellhound as pets. On the other hand, while Stolas does seem to love & care for his biological daughter, Octavia, he has only been shown with her in two episodes. Yes, Loona is more of a main character than Octavia, but there's still more highlights to Blitz as a father compared to Stolas: Blitz takes Loona to the vet to get her shots, he never acknowledges her as a pet, & he prioritizes her whereas Stolas has exposed Octavia to a LOT of his bad sides with how he treats Stella & their divorce while giving little regard to her growing to be less & less close to him. This could be an antithesis to Blitz & Stolas as lovers: Blitz could love & prioritize Stolas if he can sort through his issues & understand Stolas' feelings for him, but Stolas might not be fully into the relationship as time goes on as his expectations on relationships may make him feel either let down by the reality of dating blitz or become jaded about it to the point where he may become resentful towards Blitz like he was with Stella.
I mean, not really. Blitzø's job is easier. He has alot less responsibility, heartache and Blitzø is already pass his "Horny" phase.
It's like comparing a season one character to a fully developed one to dog pile on the season one character
@@Jakeyourdoggybut being fair, Blitz is just as low as hellhounds but barely, he still does find time to be good
@Eric6761 Yeah, but do you not see that being in a place where your not focused on makes it easier to have relationships than someone that's famous?
@@Jakeyourdoggy Did you just compare being royalty to being an assassin? Being an Assassin is no cake walk.
@zealousamourous Didn't say being an assassin is. But when you're not forced to be one and doing it for fun, it's comparable.
Unlike being royalty, which is not something you can chose
Stella shitty: No excuse.
Stolas shitty: Tons of excuses.
Yeah bc emotional/physical abuse, murder attempts and public humiliation = wanting to be loved and avoiding abuse
@@ricky.t.1658stolas partakes in abuse, please learn that
@@spleens7831 ? What are you talking about
@@ricky.t.1658he has belittled Blitzø. He has also demeaned him and forced him to do these acts to keep his business afloat.
@@ricky.t.1658 also, child neglect is also a form of abuse. Which stolas has been doing for years.
The biggest reason I personally dislike Stolas is how much the writers baby him and surround him with scapegoats to make him seem sympathetic and tragic.
His neglectful father forced him into an arranged marriage.
His wife (now ex-wife Stella) is an evil harpy who has zero redeeming qualities. Whom is stated to have abused him for years and now is actively trying to kill him.
He is starved for romantic love and desperately wants his childhood friend (Blitzo) to reciprocate his feelings.
He has an estranged daughter (Octavia) whom he loves unconditionally and is upset that he often comes up short in being the father she needs.
Every time Stolas does something immoral or bad, there's a ready caveat to absolve him of most of his accountability.
Stolas cheated? Well he was being abused by an evil wife, so it's okay.
Stolas manipulated Blitzo into a sexually explotative relationship? Well Blitzo stole the book and actively enjoys the sex, so it's okay.
Stolas rountinely neglects his daughter Octavia, but she always forgives him in the end, so it's okay.
If Stolas does wrong the worst consequences are that he feels bad for it and is temporarily distanced from the people he loves.
He's written as a tragic and sympathetic protagonist whose actions are nearly always justified by the narrative, and now he's found an entire party of Blitzo's exes who are telling him he did nothing wrong.
@@PlanetZoidstar very well put together. Although I do believe that Stella well deserved to be cheated on by stolas due to her abuse and insults. And from what we know now, she doesn't seem like a very good mother either. The show does definitely excuse a lot of stolas's actions but blitz is treated just as equal. People excuse his flaws and mistakes while saying "oh he just needs development" but when It comes to stolas's flaws, all hell breaks loose
I agree that this wasn't a good choice by the writers.
So the question is - how do they fix it?
I think he's getting kicked out of royalty as his consequence in an upcoming episode, and if that's the route they go, it will be good for his character development.
@@megankissinger8269As long as that’s either long term or it’s not spun into a good thing, sure.
@@megankissinger8269 I imagine however the writers try to fix Stolas as a character it's going to be very unsatisfying. Because he has had multiple chances to own up to his mistakes and misdeeds and he has consistently failed to take responsibility for them.
The writers have front-loaded so much accountability-denial from Stolas that seeing him try to take responsibility NOW is going to be jarring.
The only thing he's really taken responsibility for is getting Blitzo entangled in their deal (which Blitzo was fine with outside of Stolas trying to make it into something more).
Everything else has been excuse after excuse, and I don't see the writers backpedalling after their consistent writing Stolas as the victim of worse people than himself.
@@christopherbennett5858 I think it would be permanent, and rough for quite a while until he gets accustomed to it.
Stolas feels like a Mary Sue. Not because he is too powerful but because the narrative twists itself to make him be in the right when he is not. That's one of the main defining traits of a Mary Sue to me.
Like Red from Over sarcastic productions said: "Mary Sue is not someone's who is too powerful, is someone who is too important"
You mean a Gary Stu?
That’s not a Mary sue honey
@@ricky.t.1658 I was told a Mary Sue is less of someone who is like, extremely overpowered with no flaws and more like.. someone who basically is in the center of the story. The universe essentially revolves around them.
I don't exactly think Stolas is exactly a Gary Stu… but he DEFINITELY is a Creator's Pet
This show feels to me similar to how a lot of fanfiction is written. The babygirlification of stolas is crazy, you can tell he’s viv’s favorite and she sees him as a poor tragic little baby
She made an uwu gay softboi
I also agree with you. Maybe Helluva Boss should have stayed an adult comedy.
Viv likes to speed run the plot
@@kyuremthefrozen8539 she's incredibly impatient.
This is so painfully accurate because I used to write fanfictions like these too during my awkward phase.😂
Well, at least I can say that I've grown up enough to avoid this kind of problematic favoritism.
Stolas isn’t a “victim”, he’s akin to the kid who threw rocks at a hornet nest (Blitzø) and can’t fathom as to why he got stung.
Don't make fun of and ignore the compliments of your hubby. Oh yeah and don't exploit them for "Favors"
@@Jacy-dx6dx Obviously Blitzø is a jerk, but Stolas should know this by now. It’s like being angry at a known incompetent for dropping the picket of water and spilling it, but you knew that person was incompetent yet still tasked them with carrying a bucket of water.
@@princessmarlena1359 Stolas does not have patter recognition confirmed.
The problem I see with Hellev a Boss's characters is, the main cast tends to feel static in their 'self-improvement', while even some side characters actually change and stay that way in future episodes.
Blitz for example, had at least 2 episodes where he came to his senses and became a better person. Only for the showrunners to completely forget about this and reset him to default...and that's honestly what makes all the drama feel forced to me.
Same with Stolas and dealing with his daughter, after the lolo land episode, we don't actually SEE him try to BE a better father.
These characters get development, and it gets tossed out the window the second it would get in the way of more drama. That's why watching this show is difficult for me.
And it’s not just Stolas and Blitz. They do the same thing with Moxxie and to an extent Luna. The writers know people love the characters as is so they keep them there even though people want to see them grow as well.
Yes it’s like they don’t allow their characters to go through an arc, and when they get close to any sort of character change they reign it back in for the sake of keeping up stolas and blitz’s miscommunication of a relationship. Instead of including a crucial part of any good story - arcs for the characters.
Blitzo was trying to be a better person after Truth Seekers, Moxxie was supposed to be braver after Murder family and Stolas should be less neglectful after Loo Loo land. What happened to that?
I think that might be because they’re not really reacting to things like typical characters do, they’re reacting more like people
Actually no, you are wrong, characters don’t have a changing moment and then change forever, Blitz has never truly been touched to a real degree until this point so it’s now that he truly seems like he could have a change. The loo loo land episode was about Octavia understanding that things are different now, that her father is going through bad shit and learning to understand and accept his dad, not about Stolas being a better father as he is clearly doing everything he can
If stolas faces consequences but he’s crying the entire time and everyone else in the episode says “oh you poor thing stolas!” Or the person has a ‘misunderstanding’ and stolas did nothing wrong, I don’t think that counts.
But when blitz faces consequences for his shitty actions, The fandom does and says the same exact thing. They're both at fault.
@@Jakky_clarkk I’m talking about other characters in the show. Go away.
@@Jakky_clarkkI know right lmao
@OpalGemstone33 Does it really matter if it's characters in the show or real people on the Fandom?
It's still hypocritical to whine about "Oh I don't want people to feel bad for Stolas for wanting the change" While everyone (Including you) is doing the same for Blitzø.
It just dint make no sense man 😅
@@Jakeyourdoggy loll
Viv's writing is so inconsistent with some of these characters
I honestly can't even remember the point for some of them
She's inconsistent with everything she writes imo. She focuses too much on relationships rather than a grand scheme of things with her entire shows.
@@hunty.0
IKR and don't get me started the protagonists she makes they're so derivative of protagonist archetypes that worked elsewhere
Selling merch mostly or giving characters more trauma.
@@acemarvel1564 Exactly.
@@hunty.0
I often get hated by her obviously immature fanbase for pointing out very VERY obvious flaws and they treat it like the standard for indie entertainment guess what
IT ISN'T
I miss when the primary spotlight of the show was I.M.P. and comedy. I wouldn't mind it if Stolas and Blitz were entertaining together, but 90% of their scenes together are either sad, or sad. I genuinely don't remember one thing in the last 2 episodes that was funny cuz of being funny, just relying on shock value.
Another thing to say about Octavia and Stolas relationship though, (so far) we had 1 ep where he made an empty promise about how everything will get better, and him going back to being a bad father immediately, but equally horrible as a role-model since she's supposed to be a royal heir. As horrible as Stolas' father was from what we know, he was at least guided on how to be a proper royalty, but is instead leaving Octavia to her own devices. She might have it even worse than Stolas once she'll have to take after him, and he's 1000% to blame
Yeah that bit where Stolas said he "never looked down on him(Blitzø)" is bs and really pissed me off when i watched the episode.
@@Triedsigh fr, he definitely looked down on him several times, just like how blitz looked down on him. Vivian needs to write these characters better.
Since he ALWAYS did that
@@Jakky_clarkkIt would be nice if we got an episode where it goes “no, Stolas, you’re dead wrong”.
Problem is that the showrunner is more interested in showing how awful Blitzo is than Stolas and having the world reflect that.
And, whilst I hope we get the “oh he messed up” bit in the show, it’s feeling a lot like the payoff for the wait isn’t enough to go through all of the frustration a viewer has to get to that point.
@@fynchan11 not always, but yeah I see your point, but yet blitz looked down on Stolas just as much.
@@christopherbennett5858 that would be great. We really need some character development in these two. I feel like it's the show itself that makes it seem like blitz is so much worse than Stolas. Meanwhile the fandom switches it all around and makes it seem like Stolas is the heartless horrible monster and blitz is the precious little harmless victim. Nobody really understands that both of these characters need development. Especially if I'm going to be liking them anytime soon. 💀
I do wanna point out something about Stolas's design that kinda.. Irks me?
He went from this.. Sleek looking, regal Goeshia, to this round faced uwu soft gay birb and I just..
can't with it.
I thought I was the only one who noticed that
Something soft and squishy for the simps to eat up.
FR
I've always hated his character. He was originally designed to be more on the side of a villain. And even after Vivzie cancelled the pilot as being canon and decided he'd be Blitz's "love interest", she still hasn't really fixed him from that original idea. Blitz is certainly not a saint, but with his "side" of the drama, he isn't a hypocrite. So I totally agree with this video. I don't know if Vivzie is having Stolas be a hypocrite on purpose to be redeemed in some other way, but I have a bad feeling that she might botch Stolas or not write him "correctly".
I got the feeling that the shows going to do a full 180 like something tragic happening that's going to catch everybody off guard
Bashing my skull in, I want someone to mention how Stolas SA'd Blitz by coercing him into a sexual relationship. He knew Blitz was in danger when he proposed the idea, knew he needed the book to make a living, and I absolutely DETEST him for that
If they just end this relationship it will be the most bold decision in the show industry.
I also noticed that when Stolas said “When have I ever-” he stopped realizing that’s not technically true and in the song in the recent episode he questions his view of how he treated Blitz
Stolas realized in the Circus Blitzø was unhappy and disinterested. He was being petty just because Blitzø didn't go along with him. There is no growth.
He didnt actually realized, he was too angry to continue what he was saying actually.
But in the song, yes. But he still trying to push the blame away from him.
@@red-rr3is he seemed to be questioning like what if it was because I was doing this and that’s what hurt him or what if I mistook this for something else
@@The_Practical_Daydreamer he was being emotional plus he was trying to distance himself so he wouldn’t lash out but Blitz came anyway so he tried to walk away then blitz kept pushing and pushing every time he’s trying to put boundaries until he is saying things he doesn’t actually mean like for example saying Blitz is talking like striker and that he couldn’t be bothered to come help him
Stolas is in the wrong but so is Blitz the two need space and time to learn from mistakes away from each other because they keep feeding into each other’s issues like two hornet nests fighting each other
Blitz needs to learn to speak in a way that Stolas can understand (and when he’s not drunk) but also not immediately assuming the worse
Stolas needs to learn to speak in a way that Blitz can understand but also not spring things up
(Loona also didn’t help with feeding into Blitz’s insecurities and making him think the exact opposite of what Stolas was trying to do)
Yeah the show's critics. Like say ArteiceTB seem to conveniently leave that part of the song out in their complaints.
HB became its own fanfic after the first season, impressive
I wish Stolas was more evil like he was in the pilot, even if he WASNT evil that original voice was great
There were sa allegations against the og actor so it eas basically a given that they would not hire him again
@@MinaPark-iw3gp Wow why is everybody a predator these days goddamn 💀💀
@@luigiwiiUU he was a youtuber, duh
The way I see it, Stolas is a walking pile of communication errors who doesn't think about how others will perceive his actions. Especially, those who feel below him.
But the show's probably gonna choose to ignore that flaw to focus on how he screwed up his family life.
@@TMSonicFan47 100% true. And my personal opinion, Stolas is a problematic depressed character that is always excused. And I also think that blitz is a shitty person who acts like a victim but never tries to improve. These two characters seriously need development
Same
Literally
On his own Stolas is fine but when he’s with Blitz his character becomes irritating, the dynamics with his family are great and should be explored more while his relationship with Blitzo should be toned down more since it’s overshadowing everything else.
I agree. I think the ship is a good idea, but the execution isn’t good enough to carry the whole show like Viv seems to think it is.
@egg_l0rd13 Which it's unfortunate.
Tbf both of them suck, but the show seems to focus only on Blitz’s mistake and pretend Stolas is an innocent victim
ZHONGLI???
Honestly, I’ve never been that big a fan of Stolas. But my issue with him has very little to do with his relationship with Blitzo.
I think he failed being a father.
I gave him a pass for how he treated Octavia in Ep 2 because he acknowledged that he messed up and pledged to do better in the future… but then when they went to Hollywood, he once again prioritize spending time with Blitzo on some film set rather than focusing on finding his daughter I’m just bewitching (or killing) anyone who gets in their way. It makes it come across like Keyland nothing from episode two.
In addition, Octavia is completely justified in saying “why does he hate her more than he loves me?” Stolas DID prioritize rushing through the divorce over spending time with his daughter.
I can look past Stolas’ relationship mistakes in his previous, since Stella and Blitzo are both every messed up people who argued did more harm to the relationship than the bird. But there’s really no justification for the neglect he gives his daughter. He may care about her, but he clearly does not prioritize.
You know how often I keep bringing up this argument and people just shut me down as a Blitz stan even though I was specifically defending Octavia? Stolas fans prove my every word about how neglected Octavia is in general without them even realizing it and it's such a silly display.
And of course, once Octavia does start leaving her useless dad, I bet my ass Stolas fans will redirect their mass targeting from Blitz to her. Calling her "shallow" and "doesn't develop", when really, not forgiving her father is the best development she could be getting right now.
The problem though is she hasn't seen what he did and doesn't know what happened in LA before and during at the studio so she shouldn't get that vibe, it makes more sense and feels natural for her to say *"I know you love me but I feel..." because it shows her unaware, loving him, him loving her but is getting the feeling something is up & whatever Viv is having the team write is unneeded, toxic and just adds to more drama, WE LITERALLY ONLY GET DRAMA! Especially for the families.
This is one thing that I don't know how Viv is going to adress, nor stolas nor stella care about Octavia enough
I have repeated this over and over and OVER but the COMPLETE DESTRUCTION of Stellas character is what stopped me from watching. You can still make her evil, you can still make her a villain. But maybe make her a bit MORE than a fucking cutout. Instead of 'oh she was just evil from birth!" because thats not really realistic. You dont need a whole flashback but you cant just make her a big elephant to point at and say "See? Stolas isnt THAT bad I mean look at Stella!!"
And like they couldve had something so interesting. She could have been a vengeful royal woman who cares about her reputation because her parents instilled it into her at a young age; that reputation is all that matters. She can still be hurt that stolas cheated on her because yknow, thats a normal thing to do. They were BOTH forced into the marriage. The show tries to make it seem like stella forced stolas into marriage but it seems to forget that they both had the unfortunate happening of being forced into a marriage. But nope Stella is a child who is evil from birth and who deserves to be cheated on. Hell it seems like before she had some traits, like saying 'i want that CHEATING prick dead' for example. It makes her whole speal about 'im here to TORMENT you' sound out of fucking nowhere.. Even that line alone enforces my point; the way the story is written makes it seem like as a child she saw stolas and said 'i want to torture him for the rest of my life'. but most likely she didnt have a choice either!! You couldve had an interesting and most of all TRAGIC character that maybe, took the divorce and learned that reputation isnt everything and maybe couldve turned into someone who is still bad but is *trying*. She has probably gone through the exact same trauma stolas has, actually.
Is any of this thought of or considered?
No, because inherently heluva boss has a tendency of hating all of its female characters.
It is weird how this series babyfies Stolas. Was not the whole point that these characters are demons in hell, so they are all terrible and evil from the get-go? Why is this set in hell at all?
@@TOMNICE exactly. And it seems awfully convenient that everyone who critiques blitzo is awfully ignorant of how he cheated on his wife and is literally coercing blitzo into having sex with him. The only person who really says anything (I think) is Octavia but whenever she says “you cheated on mum” it’s not really taken seriously (If im wrong just say but I’m pretty sure). And stolas isn’t ever like “oh I’m so sorry I cheated on your mother” to Octavia. Stolas is never ever ever wrong, which can be interesting as a character but only if the show ALSO agrees that what he’s doing is wrong and doesn’t paint stolas as the victim.
There was a therapist reviewing the episodes and said that Stolas was "really good at communicating" and I was just like...???
I agree with the first part of the video so much. It feels like current Stolas and past Stolas are 2 completely different characters. It seems like the show wanted to make Stolas more rational and moral but with everything he did before that the show refuses to bring up now, it just comes off as him being a hypocrite. Also, there is this weird thing where they potray Blitz as this "misunderstood" anti-social character that manipulated Stolas and pushes him away despite begging for his attention internally. Even though demeaning a person throughout the relationship then insisting "I never did that" is much more manipulative; and back in season 1 Blitz was (justifiably) very repelled both internally and externally by how demeaning Stolas was and only fucked him to run his business. Blitz is toxic asf but Stolas is much more manipulative in this relationship. It would've been better if these were 2 seperate relationship dynamics in 2 different shows, where did the dynamic of season 1 go?
I hate the fact that they really did make stella a strawman for stolas' problems. Im still hoping we get an origin story from her soon, though.
Vivziepop said in an interview that Stella will probably have her own episode
@edifiedermine9247 that's good. She really does give off the vibe that she had a trauma past, and her only way of coping with it is by pretending to be snobby or angry towards others.
@@narutouzamaki2907 I think she really is that angry. From her behaviour it seems like the thing she values the most is her status, and she isn’t super fond of being with stolas because she thinks he’s pathetic. She talked very badly about him to other members of the goetia family to make him seem inferior whilst making herself seem superior. She’s furious when stolas cheats on her because it was with an imp specifically. Someone on the lowest class. That’s embarrassing for her. I’m excited for the show to cover this in more detail
@edifiedermine9247 Even so, stolas isn't to blame. Yes, she can lie, but she said it herself that he put no effort into the relationship. But eh, I only think this way because when she was first introduced, her portrait was literally her strangling a demon. Definitely some family issues.
@@narutouzamaki2907 I mean.. Stolas cheating isn’t the greatest but it’s a show about hell so…. I don’t know exactly what’s alright for hell and what isn’t 🤷♀️ I do like Stolas as a character I think he’s great, he just sucks at life
HB is putting far too much of the blame on Blitz. If this show wants me to root for Stolitz, they REALLY need to let Stolas see how much HE messed up, too.
@@nappa1381although I do agree that they seriously need to acknowledge stolas's flaws. The show never really put any actual blame on blitz. And throughout the fandom, people excuse every flaw blitz has to. It's only until recently in these new episodes that blitz has actually faced the consequences of his stupid actions.
@@Jakky_clarkk Blitz is the only one who has apologized. That entire episode is dedicated to showing how many lives Blitz has affected. So far, he is the only one getting consequences for his actions.
Even if it’s not directly stated, at this point Blitz is being depicted as more in the wrong. I hope that changes, but as Kamen said, Vizie has a tendency to drop the ball on stuff like this.
@@nappa1381the sad part is that stolas didn't Apologize yet. It very much Seems like his apology is trying to make up for what he did but Its sadly not the same. But blitz doesn't seem to be in the wrong to anybody across the entire fandom. Nothing can convince me otherwise. And I've seen it all, He is favored by the show and he is favored by the fans. A little too much-💀
@@Jakky_clarkkI totally agree with what you said
@@nappa1381 To be fair, this is also the first episode we've gotten since Full Moon, and it's been indicated in the trailer that we'll have more time with Stolas and his side of the issue somewhere within the next three, so I think we just need to be a little more patient and see how things go from here!
Ooooooh boy the crazy helluva boss fans will be after your throat
As a fan of both shows now I accept his opinions!
There’s one thing I can fix this show have the “target of the day” and the stolis and blitzo relationship split into their own episodes!
I really like the target of the day episodes a lot more!
@@calebpribyl5152 Then you're not a crazy fan, cheers mate!
@@Hayakoneko
Thanks!
I love the shirts I buy at the store sharkrobot!
(Ever heard that store?)
It’s like my new hot topic!
(Either that or Spencer’s?)
I bought shirts of blitzo and alastor!
And Moxxie too!
@@calebpribyl5152 I've seen some of the shirt designs online. They're well done!
@@Hayakoneko
Oh so speaking of hot topic I just got news saying that hot topic will release merch for Hazbin hotel!
So that’s cool!
I’m just done with Stolas. I just don’t care anymore with what’s going on with helluva boss. It’s just a animated Soap Opera and I don’t have time for that. Simple a waste of time, money & animation.
The Pilot Version of Stolas is far more intriguing and has great villain vibes. Plus the Pilot voice actor (Brock Baker) did a much better job then current one.
I’ll take what I can from the pilots from both HH & HB and be happy not watching the rest of the shows.
He was voiced by Brock Baker? Wow
I think they had to fire Brock Baker over SA allegations?
If he had stayed a pervert, people would hate him even more. That's the corner they put themselves in when they started that in the first place.
I remember reading that they prioritized hiring voice actors who could sing.
@@maxkennedy7430 They had to fire Brock. There were SA allegations.
If Stolas had stayed that way, a lot of fans couldn't stomach watching that for long. Sex jokes are only taking it so far.
I like his current voice actor too, he's talented. I'd say they just go for a different approach. But I agree with you about Stolas. I hate how many times HB shows him crying with smeared make up(?) and force you to feel bad for him, and the way it regresses the characters to fuel the relationship drama. You know what? I would actually be interested in it, if it wasn't written like this.
What happened with Stella in season two in my opinion I think they went with because it didn’t register for a lot of people in episode two season one where she was more focused that he slept with an imp than the fact he cheated on her
This. Even though I’m not the biggest fan of how one-dimensional Stella is (I really wish the show would flesh out her background and what relationship she has with Octavia), I think it’s rather disingenuous when people claim that her character was “changed” to make Stolas seem like a better person. There is absolutely no evidence to support that. She was an absolute tool from the start.
@@egg_l0rd13 i've been saying the whole time
there was never anything in season 1 that showed stella as a good person (if anything even in the flashback in episode 2 showed there marriage probably wasn't sunshine and rainbows)
but it was easily the most BORING route to take her character
@@egg_l0rd13 she was definitely meant to be unsympathetic from the start, but it seems like they went further and further with exaggerating just how horrid she is to make stolas's own shitty behavior easier to justify. she went from rude and unlikeable to actively wanting stolas dead for no real reason (for money, i guess? but why would she want that, she's already got all the money she could ever ask for??) it just feels like they threw every single bad character trait you could give a character onto her with zero possible redeeming trait (not even acknowledging that she's just as trapped in this loveless arranged marriage as stolas is) because that might make it harder to sympathize for poor baby stolas.
I would give anything for a scene of Stella and her daughter making mischief at one of her parties after an older relative tells Octavia to fix her posture or something. "There's a time and place to save face, but this is OUR party and he's an old fart, let's put ketchup in his drink," or something. Stella never came off as someone with airs about her, and Octavia's disregard for her high social status can't all come from her father since he carries himself much more properly. I just want one positive interaction, ONE. Then she'd be much more believable as a wicked ex wife, show the reason WHY she's so furious about their marriage breaking down, she should not be that attached to their family unit with what we're shown.
@@jasperjazzie I think it was more to make things obvious for those who didn’t catch it the first time and I don’t think it’s money that she wants that’s her brother but Stella is more worried about her reputation I mean if Stolas did it with someone of equal or higher rank she wouldn’t have cared but it was the fact it was a imp that upset her and let’s not forget about how she threw Pringles at Stolas and Pringles only crime was that he was at arms reach of her
As cliché as it sounds, the criticisms and drama around HB and HH is more entertaining than the actual shows.
Stolitz is a big reason why I can't watch the show anymore, I find their "relationship" mind-numbingly uninteresting
What happened between Stolas and Blitz is both their faults as both failed to communicate in a way the other would understand and unintentionally hurt them
Stolas self depreciates
Blitz is self destructive
This
@@area52ronseriously. There are so many people who are stating that ONLY Stolas is in the wrong while blitz is a precious little victim. But in reality they both need Time and development to ACTUALLY improve.
Yep both are bad at relationships. Blitz being self destructive has been hammered to us so hard in several episodes... if you forget it now or you think "This was never the intention" Then either viv's writing is bad... or you aren't paying attention.
Stolas self depreciates cause he was sheltered and controlled. Wich is why he took control of the relationship with Blitz and to this day he still controls it.
Both of them have trauma and issues to overcome.. but in the latest episodes? Blitz is less bad then Stolas by a small margain.
Both of them think they can IMPROVE but their ways are wrong. But the only one who seems to be doing it better and right at the end of Apology tour is... Blitz.
Ironically through out this episode Blitz been trying to fix things honestly and just not understanding everything.
Also he let's Stolas be happy.. while he wallows in sadness.
Meanwhile Stolas...? Still trying to control everything... still not over his trauma and still just not being in reality.
Stolas self depricates and just is a dreamer... that is all Stolas cares about in the end...
He never saw Blitz for Blitz.. he saw Blitz as a "dream" , "a fake reality" ever since the 1st time they met.
Absolutely this. I know Stolas is “problematic”, but honestly so is Blitzo. They’re both extremely flawed characters and I don’t really like how so many people go straight to blaming one or the other or suggesting that either one of them being “bad people” is bad writing. Last time I checked, characters being flawed people whose actions have negative consequences makes for an interesting story.
@@kotlolish exactly. although Im very happy blitz finally got to realize his actions effect others and he's "supposedly" ganna improve. But we really need to start seeing actually development in Stolas. I don't even necessarily think they're bad characters. I was just pointing out that blitz has flaws as well and he is ALSO very much in the wrong. I hope that in the future of the show they could BOTH own up to what they have caused to one another.
I loved flawed characters but that doesn't mean I love it when the show pretends that the character doesb't have flaws
I just hate how the show still keeps trying to push their relationship even though it is clearly shown they're too toxic for each other. Like if the idea is they eventually realize their flaws, don't end up together, and actually try remedying their past mistakes in healthy ways, then I can kinda get behind that! But unfortunately it doesn't seem like the show is trying to go that direction, cause no matter what happens they just make each other worse. Like bro this thirsty lovesick bird nonstop prioritizes trying to get with Blitz OVER fixing things with his own daughter without consequence. The healthier option is for them to end their relationship for good, but nah they can't cause the main plot of the show now IS their toxic yaoi drama.
Honestly? At this point? I need Stolas to be dragged through mud by the balls for me to believe he got punished enough by the narrative. That guy did so much shit.
wouldn't he enjoy that thoughbeit
The classist/racist implications with their romance are so disgusting.
People keep saying Stolas will get punished for his behavior when Via calls him out.. but I have HUGE issues with that. His treatment of Blitz and Via aren't the same, and one being addressed does not make the other okay.
Also, Via is obviously being manipulated by her mother and whatever happened to turn her against Stolas won't be his own fault, I'm sure the story will insist he did everything he can to reach her, but her mom kept them apart. So Vias anger will be misguided and reflect badly on her and her mom/Andy. People will once again leave the episode thinking "Poor Stolas did nothing wrong and still gets hurt"
Via also hates Blitz, so it's more likely fans are going to hate Blitz even more for making Stolas daughter hate him. There has to be an episode addressing that Stolas is classist, racist, fetishsized imps and kidnappings (he has no right to be angry that Bliz didn't save him from Striker) but I don't think it'll ever happen. Blitz already forgave Stolas and sees himself as the problem so Stolas has no reason to change or apologize
To be fair, Octavia is basically absent and I wouldn't be surprised if the show pulled an "I tried everything to reach you" when he barely tried
@@Eric6761 exactly. They love to tell but don't show with Stolas. Half his effort in improving is just text or told in the most unsubtle way. You never know where he is because next episode might just drop that he donated his fortune to Blitz over the last few months because he's just that good of a guy. Whatever he is critisized for comes up later. Like people criticize him now for his opulence while Blitz is sleeping on a couch, I bet it'll be revealed that Stolas sent him a fancy bed set and keys to a mansion but he turned it down xD cause every flaw he has isn't real, he's perfect
It was all going great for Stolas as a character until the writers suddenly decided in Ozzie's that he had romantic feelings for Blitzø, unprompted by anything. Stolas pre-Ozzie's is a completely different character
You're not wrong, while the miscommunication feels real like how people talk, it sympathizes with stolas too much to the point where when it actually holds him accountable it may feel too little too late. Generally these are well written scenes, but it makes the relationship feel too imbalanced.
BUT we also have a problem that 'its my duty to point out criticisms' are often really people complaining about personal preferences instead of people making efforts to try to understand what the work is actually trying to do and not purely relying on their first impressions (like im one to talk, I do this all the time) Stolas flaws are there and they are subtle, but literally like two moments of making those subtle moments less subtle would do a lot.
Honestly I think the biggest factor may even be less the shows writing than it is releasing the episodes this far apart so fans perceptions of characters get locked in place for too long.
Oh wow - I'm surprised this video got on your radar :)
I do agree that the "it's my duty" and people are complaining about personal preferences - I mean, as critics, it's easy to fall into that trap and I'm not going say that I don't fall into that trap all the time too - Cause I agree we do need to analyze the work for what it does, not what we want it to be.
I do think that the potential for this to be a strong pay off is there, but I have this gnawing feeling in the back of my head that it'll just be shy of the bulls'eye - If that makes any sense.
I appreciate the feedback and your two cents on this :)
@@Mangakamen Makes perfect sense, I have the same fear, but I'll give my two cents to add to my existing cents another day. Appreciate your thoughts :)
Yup - Besides, we're youtubers - We're essentially incentivized to give our two cents :)
I can’t help but notice every time someone brings up valid criticisms you complain about “personal preference”. It’s not a “preference” to point out that the show is heavily criticizing the wrong character
@@BirdyboysApology Tour is not about criticizing Blitz. It’s about the shared flawed behavior between Blitz, Stolas, and Verosika. It being centered on Blitz is the flaw Stolas, Verosika, and Blitz himself have if that makes any sense. Like for Stolas, he can’t recognize what he’s done wrong but he can can recognize what he perceives Blitz has done wrong. For Verosika, she always perceives Blitz in a negative light, never leaving room for nuance. Then Blitz himself, he only wants other to perceive him the way he does, with hate. Their ALL focused on their own perception of reality and disregard everything else. This shared flaw is what the episode is actually about, with Blitz being the one to try to overcome it. The show is not just doing this to criticize Blitz, they’re doing this to develop him.
2:16 - 2:18 This is the second time I've seen the exact quote being used from Hellsing Abridged for Helluva Boss like damn, guess we need him as a therapist for Stolitz then.
Stolas just pisses me off
Every time I see a video of him I start physically dying
I'm personally disappointed by the fact that they haven't done more with Octavia you will be okay is a gorgeous beautiful legitimately effective emotional scene that does a fantastic job of establishing just How Deeply he cares for his daughter and it was in an aspect done so well that I was willing to take him becoming a serious character as a thing considering prior he was basically just a joke. As for the relationship with blitz I'm not opposed to it but I'm at this point not watching the last three episodes that have come out because I want this Arc to be done with. I I'm so disappointed by season 2 of lack of focus there have been some great episodes in here that work both on the character writing level and are entertaining get the story keeps just jarringly jumping from one thing to the next we're following one thing for way longer than it should.
I love how 3-5 mins of this video is "calm down Viv, I'm not trying to attack you."
What I hate about this is that the show sometimes treats it seriously and sometimes it doesn't even acknowledge what's wrong or screws up the pacing of this conflict.
Back when season 1 ended there was a first drama between them. Blitzo inviting Stolas to a club only because he wanted to spy on M&M's while Stolas not defending Blitzo against public humiliation Fizz, Ozzie and Verosika were doing. Back then I thought season 2 is gonna start with them being not cool with each other, having a serious talk about what was going on there, but nah the show just casually forgets about that incident and only shows us some text messages for 3 seconds, real lazy...
Just as we had a confontation between them where episode ends with Stolas saying goodbye etc., the next episode just shows a casual scene of them talking to each other being salty and all.
It's really weird that back when we really needed a serious scene between them to talk things over, there was none, but when it's not suitable to have a scene like that we got one.
vivzie goes on twitter to say that both stolas and blitzo are guilty when it's painfully obvious that the series favors only one of them.
Nothing she says is believable, remember she said Millie will get an episode? That was literally Unhappy Campers and then they make that short with her and her sister the focused episode THEN REMEMBER WHEN SHE SAID SHE TAKES GOOD FAITH CRITUCISM?! The criticism on the awful writing, potty mouths, inconsistency with existing knowledge & characters, Hell not feeling like Hell and so many other issues? HAZBIN IS STILL AS BAD AS HELLUVA BOSS SEASON 2! Oh and suuuure she will improve with the issues of HB S2 and Hazbin but guess what? THERE IS STILL A PROBLEM AND MORE LIES! Cherubs & Dhorks are supposed to be Plot B and people shouldn't excuse anything on "She could've gave more time", THERE WAS PLENTY OF TIME to give Stolitz but nope nonono oh nonono, Viv could've easily given a chunk of the episode time run to Stolitz. And even after that, people seriously believe Viv is honest, a saint and mean well but I'm not that kind of person, she has been given too many chances to prove she understands and cares but I lost respect or believed once Hazbin came out that she is capable of proving me wrong but instead, I was proven right and that isn't everything that made me see who she really is.
Other shows and old ones would already have this fixed way earlier and have better ways to deal with things especially romance, Code Lyoko has William say this to sulking Ulrich after he is told to be the problem *"No that would be too easy Ulrich, let me tell you what's wrong around here, my being around Yumi forces yourself to ask yourself a question, a tough question that you can't answer. Here's a piece of friendly advice, go and talk to Yumi, from the heart or else one day, I will then I really will be your problem"*
In the trailer it's pretty clear that stolas is gonna get punished
@@denissoide yeah but its also pretty clear that when that moment comes the series will want the viewer to feel bad for stolas
Always great to see/hear people looking at this show critically! :D
Here’s the thing Stolas in pilot had potential but it went down the drain for me.
Edit: Aware of Viv saying the pilot isn’t canon🥲
Unfortunately for you. It’s no longer fully canon (or no longer fully semi-canon in my opinion)… despite being nodded throughout S1 and S2, including the current episode.
I can even take viv seriously when she says that. She says that hazbin hotels pilot is canon, even if it contradicts himself.
@@nicolpineda8632 rumor has it she changed her mind about making Stolas a villain after murder family so she just decided the pilot was non canon despite the show making constant references to it
@Birdyboys Another problem I have with her is she shares to much on Twitter about the shows. Like normally, creaters comment funny extra facts about the character or worldbilding that don't damage the story itself.
But viv comments MAYOR PLOT RELATED FACTS IN TWITTER instead of adding them in the show.
In both HH and HB was never addressed how dead works in hell. They never say what's the difference between a hellborn or a sinner or that sinners respawn and hellborns don't. She said that on Twitter.
She even said in Twitter that The VEES are going to be the main villains for season two in HH! WHAT WAS THE POINT OF TELLING THAT?!
New hazbin hotel fans don't have the world building from the first season, they have to do outside research to get that information!!
@@nicolpineda8632 You both have a point here with this info
The difference between characters you hate and characters you love to hate is whether the show is aware the character is doing hatable things.
At the moment, I am not seeing a clear evidence whether the show wants to agree with Stolas or if it wants us to think he is a Hypocrite.
Honestly, it’s purely just a writing issue.
It’s beyond clear that Viv only has and only wants to be sureounded by yes-men/women. She can’t handle criticism, and she doesn’t want to improve her writing, or even just step the hell aside and let someone else do the writing.
No, nothing’s perfect, but the shows could be a HELLUV’a’lot better, but she just doesn’t seem to want or think so. Which is a damn shame, but seeing how far-left leaning she and the sycophantic fanbase is, that’s just par for the course.
The pun was unnecessary but hilarious. 😂
@@grimm8375 All puns are unnecessary 😬
But that one just happened by accident, but was a perfect fit.
It's a Viv issue, she's the one who greenlit this years and has shows made like this, the way they're written is not just a factor but how she has the team do the episodes, she even accepts how the structure and pacing is done.
Helluva Boss and, in addition, Hazbin Hotel, are many things positive than negative I would desrcibe both of them as. But having a thoughtful story is not on that list. Emotional, maybe, but not thought out.
Can we apply the logic that if a game series jumps around between various different consoles for no apparent good reason, and especially requires books and movies as well, to understand the core main games at all that it's bad storytelling?
Fnaf?
I'm rly hoping that in season 3, stolas will start to realise he's put himself in a bubble of victimhood, and that he's actually hurting everyone around him with HIS actions. I also rly wish that stella got to be affected by his cheating, sure she doesn't have to care abt him or love him, but maybe her friends r distancing themselves from her, or maybe she's avoided cheating all this time and is upset that he didn't even try to do the same, after all, she was forced to marry him too
I think Stolas is going to be punished by the Goetia, that's the only way for him to gain "self - awareness" .
I swear, season 1 Stolas and season 2 Stolas are completely different people 🙃
worst is this show REAL LEAKS of an episode of stolas daugther finding his happy pills and becoming a villian is real. They don't see hes a monster & they only want people to feel bad for him over people who CLEARLY have it worse
Wait they’re making via into a villain? If that’s just to make stolas more like an angel I’m gonna jump off a cliff 💀
While im a long watcher of your reviews usually I don't comment on them, and this will probably get lost in the sea of comments.
But I want to talk about how this video actually kind of helped me think about myself a little bit. As as weird as this may seem stole this has been a character that I highly connect with due to having a lot of similarities. I will not go into detail on all the similarities, but it's been pointed out even to me before when watching with friends. That I very much talk and even sometimes almost emulate the character but I've been doing it for years.
And the whole testing that you brought up. I realize is something I've been doing for a long time, as the sense of betrayal oh that I've had in my life as well as the untrusting nature of the world around me. Has definitely made me make this decision in both friendships and relationships. I've never really realized how destructive it is until today since I've never been able to seek therapy but know I probably need it. It works well as a good defense mechanism when first getting to know someone, but it's a little ridiculous to affect a significant other or a long-term friend with....
Tldr: thanks for making me learn something about myself and maybe realizing my own faults. ^•^
7:10 this is similar to how I feel the writing goes down for the show when I stoped watching and thought about it. They planned it in their head but when it comes to writing because they already know information they forgot that WE don’t, Then they didn’t put information in the show as from their pov it’s redundant info.
Stolas and Alastor would probably have an interesting conversation and/or fight scene.
@@danielferrieri7434 stolas just curls up in a corner.
It doesn't help that the writers have basically flipped stolas's personality 180 to make him..the good guy.
And Blitz into someone he never was, the episodes will never change that this is not how these two are, they expect me to be dense and have short term memory but I'm not at all that.
I definitely agree with the "testing". Stolas was more calculative in that whole conversation set up that his fans think. He ensured he was in a position of power during the conversation by preparing for months, not giving a warning about the conversation happening, let alone the topic, wearing full regalia with a friggin CROWN (it's kind of funny how rarely he wears clothes at home, so it stood out), setting it in his home, and by choosing a full moon night, when Blitz knows he has to make Stolas happy. He then tested Blitz's reaction by saying he was taking the book away. Once Blitz started crying, begging to stay, and promising he would 'do better' for Stolas, Stolas felt confident enough that he would get the response he wanted (Blitz agreeing to a relationship) that he moved on to the confession. His confession then included some somewhat unreasonable things, such as a slipped in request for Blitz to move in with him ("I want you to stay here, with me") which were definitely in the "test" category. When he didn't get the fantasy reaction he was wanting, Stolas was immediately disengaged. His entire focus was on how Blitz could provide him with what he wanted, that as soon as it became apparent Blitz wanted something else, Stolas dropped all interest and sought new options.
As someone who simps for Stolas because damn the man is gorgeous, he really pissed me off the last 2 episodes. He's so in his own head and so out of touch, he doesn't realize the first thing he's doing wrong. And then when he finally admits it, it's him being gaslit by everyone around him at the most biased thing ever a "Fuck Blitz" party. Rather than having fought him and linger over that thought all night, and instead you know really think what happened in the first place, things might've gone differently.
NOW for the sake of conflict this is 100% fine, I love it. But people defending Stolas gotta stop. They're both fucked up demons but Stolas threw Blitz out mid apology and would've gotten just what he wanted. Shows what happens when you don't breathe~ But either way, Stolas may be gorgeous but he's as stupid as he is pretty
It's perfectly fine if this is for conflict - That makes great narratives, but it comes with a risk, and Stolas needs to have a wake up call for this specific element of the writing.
@@Mangakamen That's what I'm hoping for. If he comes out of this with 0 consequences after everything, it's just gonna come off as boot licking, because what else am I supposed to take away from rich dude that sees 0 consequences once again has 0 consequences? Just because he's gay that's supposed to give him a pass?
The narrative when it comes to Stolas is similar to how those webtoon stories where the protagonist does really messed up things yet the narrative just goes in their favor without them facing any consequences, which just makes me see the 2nd season as if some soup opera webtoon that was a fanfic of season 1 got turned into an animated show
I think the biggest issue with Stolas' arc is the release format for Helluva Boss. Having to wait multiple months between episodes makes the plot feel it is progressing at a snail's pace.
That and the lack of acknowledgement from sympathetic characters whose opinions and voices we're meant to take seriously calling Stolas out for his bad behaviours.
Either they are villains we are meant to see as evil and wrong, or they're Octavia or Blitzo, the former whom always forgives Stolas despite him doing the bare minimum to earn said forgiveness, or Blitzo who is also somewhat to blame for how things have spiralled downhill. By comparison there is no shortage of people to call out Blitzo on his bullshit - and now he's finally admitting that he's a shitty person who wants to change.
Where Stolas stumbled into an anti-Blitzo echo chamber which is telling him that Blitzo is the problem, not him.
But mostly it's the release schedule making it seem the writers don't realise how much of a hypocrite and an asshole Stolas is.
They had no resonable excuse for Stolas to cheated on his wife, so they just made Stella a one-noted villain with no redeeming quality, even tho she also got put in the same position as him when they were children. They really are 2 face of the same coin but the writers are incabable of doing their job without tripping on each other.
Tbf Stella could’ve at least treated Stolas with respect instead of being horrible to him. If I was forced into an arranged marriage, I’d be frustrated too but I would never take it out on my partner.
The way the whole narrative paints stolas as some sort of poor baby boy when hes a grown ass owl who:
- cheated on his wife (shes horrible, i get that, but stooping to her level wont solve anything)
- neglects his daughter, even in "seeing stars" HE wasnt the one to find her because he was too busy with blitz
- abuses imps, treats them like crap or just cute pets
- fetishizes and dehumanizes his love interest
Like, none of these things are due to circumstances, they were all HIM
Storywriting is difficult, as is complex storywriting, but it's okay that it is! It gives you a feeling that not everyone and everything is black and white, and there are shades of grey. Nobody is 100% good or 100% bad. If they'd acknowledged Stolas' mistakes as much as Blitzø's, then the storywriting and story overall would've worked because Season 1 was alright (Episode 6 was one of the best episodes overall in my opinion), but Season 2 has a lot of issues. It's okay that there are issues, but with the way the story is? The issues don't make sense, and I feel like Vivzie's main problem with writing is accidental hypocrisy. The fact that her stories are set in Hell gives a lot to work with and can be interesting, but the plot isn't really done well. I'm not saying there can't be flaws in writing because no story is perfect, but it all depends on how the writing is handled that can leave an impact on the entire story as a whole. With Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss, it's kind of eh.
I always thought that the premise of Helluva Boss was to be a comedy and that Stolas and Blitzo relationship wasn't meant to be serious at all
Like that Blitzo doesn't love Stolas because he only cares for the book for his busness while Stolas is obsessed over him because sex. Heck in the first episode Blitzo have an allarm bottom in case Stolas bothers him.
Sure that means that their relationship is not healthy and one sided, but it's fitting for black humour
But NOPE they have a thing and the fact that now is portrayed as a relationship that we have to take seriously makes their relationships even more unhealthy
I agree a character being a hypocrite isn’t the problem it’s when the story doesn’t recognize it is my problem best example of hypocrisy being done right is with jojo part 4-7 villains they’re all technically hypocrites & the story recognizes it but when it doesn’t recognize u Diane from bojack horseman Hayley from American dad Lois from family guy & stolis
I liked watching this show but then after watching Full Moon I realized I wasn't really laughing or enjoying it, bc the humor was mostly sex jokes or "haha swear is funny" stuff. When I looked back at what I DID enjoy it was stuff with IMP and their dynamic,,, now the show is a shipping drama and we only have maybe 3-4 episodes that are actually about the IMP working their job, y'know, the hook of the show.
IRL, couples who argue frequently for long periods of time end up in a very bitter unhealthy relationship full of resentment. Either they both have to change substantially to make it work out, or they need to break up for good. I always thought that Sterling Archer & Lana separating was one of the most adult things I've ever seen in adult animation, while Ranma 1/2 took the more toxic approach of normalizing arguments as cute & ending after the hookup because the relationship would have soured after they had kids.
The way I see it is that both characters are very messy. They both have a lot of trauma and emotional baggage that wont let them see how their actions affect others. The point of their characters aren't supposed to be that one is "better" than the other. Blitz is the main character, so of course we're going to see more of him and his unhealthy habits.
What I didn't like about Apology Tour is how it painted Blitz and Stolas as separate characters. The writers making it seem as though Stolas isn't the one at fault by throwing him a pity party and throwing a new possible love interest in the mix.
And this is more of a personal gripe, but the party was for EXES, not one night stands. A majority of the people at that party were people Blitz interacted with ONCE in his life that he didn't even remember. I feel like it would have been better to show genuine times he messed up and pushed people who cared about him away, like Verosika. Instead of having background characters be like "oh, I hate Blitzo, hes an asshole", have him overhear conversations of them explaining what he did to then and how THEY viewed his actions.
it feels like the show is arguing with the fans lol
Good video. Also love the Hellsing abridged reference. A man of culture!
My reaction to Helluvaboss
“I like the characters Personalty they’re funnys”
Me now
“I like the character and concept of funny assassins… BUT DAMN IT THEY FUMBLE THE BAG!!!”
Great video, as always! I never got the hype around this ship, and now I feel like the show is TRYING to get me to hate it more the way they write this shit 💀✋
I feel like apology tour is setting Stolas up for a major fall that's deserved because of how he acts....
I wish 😔
It’s frustrating to watch as the narrative acts like he’s progressing but don’t acknowledge what he actually did wrong with Blitz, instead that he feels bad. If the deal is seen as purely transactional and not coercive, why does Stolas feel guilty? The longer the show goes on, ignoring that aspect, the more unlikeable he becomes.
Mangakamen when are we gonna see your video on the pillar men
The thumbnail is hilarious! My owl daddy looks evil! XD
Thank you, I made it myself :)
@@Mangakamen I like the artistic value put into your thumbnails. Quite a striking colour palette. :)
Stolas is such a badly written mess. He was supposed to be an antagonist in this series, but the creator decided to turn the premise of Helluva Boss from an adult comedy like South Park, and turned it into a Yaoi fanfic. What’s worse is that he’s a terrible father to Octavia as he just neglects her just so he can be with Blitzo. And people complained that Peter Griffin, Randy Marsh, Stan Smith, Steven Stotch and Stuart McCormick were bad parents. Stolas makes the other bad parents like Denji’s Dad from Chainsaw Man, Kaneki’s Aunt from Tokyo Ghoul, Shizuka’s Dad from Zom 100, Sagiri’s Dad from Hell’s Paradise, Hibiki’s Parents from Loser Ranger, Roberto’s Mom from X-Men 97, Willie’s Dad from Batman Beyond, Rasa from Naruto, Saki from Your Lie in April and Fire Lord Ozai look better by comparison. Hell, their relationship was the worst part of the show as it not only stole focus from Millie, Moxie and Loona, but the relationship itself was just Stolas using Blizto for sex and Blizto just using Stolas’ status just for his own gains. Maybe Stolas and Blitzo should not get back together as their relationship is the main flaw of their characters and instead they should focus on trying to be better people.
AN NSR REFERENCE?! LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
5:25 Bullet Train mentioned
I'm glad people are calling Stolas out on his hypocrisy, while I think both have a lot to work on, it was mainly Stolas who is to blame for how Fullmoon turned out. His approach was wrong and shows the ignorance he has as royalty that stands above Blitzø even if Stolas himself doesn't acknowledge the fact.
Many people praised Stolas being cynical and talking back to Blitzø in Apology Tour but I absolutely hated that version of him, he seemed condescending like a child who didn't get his favorite toy and is now sulking in response.
How anyone who likes his character can find enjoyment in him acting so immature is beyond me.
I like Stolas so it was painful to watch.
I hope he'll get his own version of Apology Tour.
The biggest problem with stolas is that the narrative doesn't ever all him out for the flaws writers or notes in descriptions of episodes do. Theres no build up within the show and the characters that stolas will be held accountable or that he's in the wrong. If the only build up you have to a moment is something in a trailer thats not build up
I was agreeing with you on Stolas... until you said something about Stolas ''testing'' Blitzo as a manipulation. I've looked up the word ''testing'' and, I'm pretty sure it means ''to prove by trial'', ''the act or practice of giving tests to measure someone's knowledge or ability''. I looked up as to how testing can be manipulative, and... I couldn't find any results. So, this is the first time I have ever heard about testing as a manipulative tactic. I say the better word to describe it would be guilt-tripping.
... really? You couldn't find ANY results?
I literally typed in "Is testing Manipulative" or "is testing someone a form of manipulation" and I was able to find it.
It's an actual thing that happens, and I think it's kinda unfair to say that it isn't.
Also, no, that's not Guilt-Tripping. Guilt Tripping can include
Sarcastic or passive-aggressive statements. Passive-aggressive or sarcastic comments are often intended to make you feel excessively guilty or ashamed,
Implying you owe them something.
Playing the victim.
Refusing to tell you what you did wrong.
What I described is testing, not guilt tripping.
@@Mangakamen I typed in “definition of testing” and couldn’t find results. It’s only when I typed “is testing manipulative” that I found out what it was. Sorry about that.
I mean, okay, but yeah - Sometimes you need to change the wording for google to find results, especially since testing is a generalized word.
@@Mangakamen Fair enough. Still love your Terrible Characters series.
Thanks and have a good day
Helluva boss has been a huge inspiration on my own scripts. I was inspired to write better!
(Midnight gospel inspired me too, but that show is a more positive influence)
The worst part of this is Viv greenlit this, she didn't even care to make genuine changes to improve and Hazbin which is written recently with her on a few episodes and does not improve ANYTHING, not just HB Season 2 but the Pilot of HH, we could've seen this official show really improve and quality of humor sharpen but no, to her everything else is fine. FM even confirmed more Viv is a lier and I knew her statement "No Stolas is wrong too" was A LOUD OF CRXP, it's just Blitz. Hazbin was all I needed, I knew where FM was going AND AT.
Also why do you think my pfps are different franchise villains and has been XANA from Code Lyoko before Krika from BIONICLE? Because of this exact problem, I'm still a Helluvaverse fan but I'm not a fan of the official writing, pacing, timing for moments and structure as a cartoon atleast after Season 1 Episode 7, I hope that is made clear.
Honestly one of the biggest problems I have with this whole thing is actually the fandom. I can't consume anything Helluva Boss related without seeing someone harass another person over liking either fictional character, as if the animated bird or demon are real people. It's so, SO childish.
Their schtick got old fast...
1:22 Yuesei and Akiza.
*Korvo and Terry(Solar Opposites) > Blitz and Stolas*
Seriously a Two Aliens husbands living a dysfunctional family with two kids and baby/pet have healthy relationships than two demons. Korvac and Terry do communicate with each other.
Even Fizzaolli and Ozzie has a healthy relationship than Blitz and Stolas. Fizzaolli has done a great way to explain why he works so hard to be a clown.
I do agree hypocrisy can work as long someone calls outs of that character’s hypocrisy or the character is aware of their own hypocrisy.
As Ozzie and Fizzaolli owns up to their hypocrisy as they actually loving each other rather having Lustful relationship. After all they been through Their open how much they love other each. Fizzaolli quit is best suit but Lust Ring is still going with any consequences or not. Then again Ozzie and Fizz are not main leads.
4:37 Even when Stolas was Drunk he did shouted he wants someone to love him like in Rom Com.
*Edit:* Also Stolas said to Blitz “Everyone cares about you they throw a f*¢king party” that is literally not the same thing.
If so, Stellas really cares and love Stolas she hires an assassin to kill him.
5:42 You watch Classic D Man too?
I like Classic D Man but do have some bad takes.
He is a Shill of Amber from Invincible(he literally cut her tantrum on campus and her about to cheat on mark)
And He made a misconception of Jonathan Joestar wants to friends with Dio. Ignores the fact that Jonathan was dying, he trying to Erina and baby Lisa Lisa.
6:15 Really hypocritical for Stolas get mad at Blitz for taking care of daughter and Blitz send Moxie and Mille to protect Stolas. And Blitz did text Stolas if he is okay after striker.
4:37 I bet People gonna use Blitz and Stolas’ the childhood friends defense to support Stolas never looks down on Blitz. Even Stloas though hold a good memory of Bltiz(and yes adults have good memories I use the Simpson episode The Way we Weren’t as example) and calling him his only friend. But they spent time together only a day. People do change in years.
Holding an old memory is just your visual ideal of that person.
And Stolas did wants to sleep with Bltiz(thus cheating his wife) and Blitz has sex with Stolas out of pity and a way to keep the book.
7:13 Testing is really an annoying trope. Like is it really necessary to test someone like they are lab rat? Even after all Stolas said he didn’t respond he was serious, this is not role play, he just gave up.
And Bltiz cannot tell if he serious or not. And Stolas didn’t give Blitz a chance to process and explain.
When Bltiz get angry about dismissing imps he is kinda right about Stolas is dismissing Blitz and imps.
10:38 It sounds like Octavia said Father. I even looked at the Subs. It said Father. I swear if they’re gonna do a twist.
10:54 There should been a follow up after that incident not immediately ignore
Even Solar Opposites got it right. In Season 3 finale The Solar Opposite gave up using their Sci-Fi tech, Korvac and Terry gets Normal jobs just to make the Pupa happy. That Plotline still continues until the end of 2nd episode of Season 4.
*I just use two good examples from Solar Opposites.*
12:42 *I Still say it is Tsundere thing.* If Loona doesn’t moment realizing his father’s life is getting worst and Loona doesn’t stay his side. Then I will agree with you. But as in Now Loona is a Tsundere.
13:31 Stellas being a b!t¢h is her only personality. Her brother have come up with scheme not her.
And I agree we shouldn’t downplay everything Stolas went through by still cannot excuse his actions. So I also hope we can what show offers in next 3 episodes.
All we got from Stolas and Stellas’ relationship before the affair, is that she only verbally abusive.
She not towards him but Stella talk Badly about Stolas to her friends at party.
Even though Stlellas iterally said to Stolas, *he doesn’t have to come to party.* Stolas still choose to go party on his own will and listen wife talk s*!t about him? Why?
Stolas could just spend time with daughter rather listening to wife talking s*!t about him.
14:40 I Agree There be more episode where Stolas continues trying to be a good dad to Octavia. Like, he spends less time with her while Blitz spend time with Loona 24/7.
14:48 Again it sounds like Octavia said Father. But subs in this timestamp said mother. I don’t know. Is there a malfunction?
15:18 Is the live stream is reveal that Imps and Sinners not the same? I have own up to my mistake. This data corruption made a failure as A.I.
16:34 That is the worst writing trope in romance. Only one person gets the blame. Realistically it is not always one person to be in wrong. It can be both sides of the relationship in the wrong.
16:50 Oh yeah, no one pay you $200 bucks to talk about Monkey Wrench, right?
I do hope there are consequences of Stolas’ actions as well.
17:06 I’d Cartoonshi’ Star vs the Force evil ranking video. It was good.
Can you do a video on how to do a series finally well? I just saw a video on how badly Star vs the Forces of Evil so badly. Reminded me of how well Gravity Falls did theirs and there are others to compare and contrast too.
Bro I’ve been hating this guy since the second season began
"I dunno if he's there yet, but he certainly is on the edge of being a terrible one.." As one who's been manipulated before, he is.. he most definitely is.
If I were Vivziepop and wrote the story, I would make Stolas just a one dimensional villain, swap his screentime with Stella, make Stella sympathetic instead of unlikeable and self-centred (for example, showing her slowly warming up to him overtime, but having him not feel the same), and make it so that people could see both perspectives of the arranged marriage in one episode. I would also throw the Stolas and Blitzo meeting each other as kids generic cliche in the garbage. Then have Stolas continuously neglect his daughter after he cheats on Stella, and have Stella and Octavia team up with I.M.P to stop Stolas from harassing and coercing Blitzo. That's just my idea.
You lowkey just sound like a stella fan😭. No hate tho
@@MinaPark-iw3gp i would be if she actually had more depth and was at least enjoyable/likeable.
Can we all just admit that the writing is bad now? Please?
bro helluva boss feels like if hot topic tumblr and steven universe writing had a homunculus thing that just does stuff
4:15 how could you forget the time Stolas said “My impish plaything”
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