In a year or so there's gonna be so many people embarrassed that they paid money for a 5.7, like the people who paid $2,500 for 9mm PCCs. I wish they did 7.5FK instead because that isn't a centerfire 22 magnum
Got one recently and honestly cant even find a complaint. It was reliable as hell for probably 10 boxes of cheap crappy ammo. Zero malfunctions. Light weight. Overall good little piece
I bought one a couple days ago and when I saw the bag I was floored. It's not super fancy or anything but it's a decent bag. Plus getting three mags. It was a good deal. 😂
Great review again with the most current guns out. Keltec vs Smith, I'll stick with Keltec. It took Smith almost 20years to come up with something between pistol and rifle. Another example of their mediocre guns. Do you really need a red dot? Keltec has been fine for niche guns that take dif.mfg. mags. I'd rather say I own a pmr dirty30 than a smith fancy Nancy pants. Beretta, Glock, Sig all better than S&W.
I like pistol caliber carbines for home defense, relatively quiet even unsuppressed . easy to teach non gun people how to use it. They might even enjoy plinking with it. lots of good ammo available. Increased velocity especially with 115 grain bullets. Penetration through barriers is not excessive. I like this option!
I appreciate what KelTec has done with the folding Sub2000 that is internally suppressed. The barrel rotates when folding so that the rifle can be equipped with a red dot.
@@signkutter9218the sub cqb does have a folding and rotating barrel. It’s absolutely useless past 75m (like 30moa at 100m) and obnoxiously loud even with subs. My dad bought one, I’ve got probably 1,500 rounds through it, I wouldn’t recommend the cqb to anyone.
@joshuabressel1280 i have tend of thousands of rounds through many different cans ranging from super budget yhm products to unobtanium kac stuff, and specialty hk and bt products. The cqb was very unimpressive. I could let the suppression slide if the accuracy wasn’t abysmal.
IMO The Keltech is a more practical SHTF gun made for get up and go cus if the SHTF the most mags your going to see laying around are Glock mags. IMO I think u made the right choice with the Keltec Sub 2000. I'm going to purchase the Keltech for that reason and install Mcarbo upgrades. Not only that the Sub 2000's are going for under $400 now with a mail in rebate.
Just a heads up. To release the rear magazines, you don't have to pull up on the tab. Push down on the opposite side tab and it'll release the opposite magazine. If you wanna release the left mag, press down on the right tab. Much easier than trying to lift it up.
Even if you think the sub or this is unnecessary or weird, I say well done. Innovation is always cool. My sub 2000 has every bell and whistle from M-carbo (and I even won their flip side optic mount). It got me enthusiastic about firearms and allowed me to tinker and learn. My sub is reliable as heck and it’s a favorite to shoot by myself and my boys love it too. Bravo to S&W to their pack gun idea brought to the free world to enjoy.
I love my Sub2000. Upgraded to an aluminum trigger, the little round handguard, and aluminum fiber optic sights. I found a little two-pistol case that fits it perfectly, has enough room for 2-33 round mags, 5-15 round mags, and two boxes of ammo (50 rounds each). That should be enough while backpacking. LOL
I had the Sub 2K that took .40 M&P mags. I would have been interested in a 9mm M&P version but had little luck finding one. Will be getting one of the FPCs as soon as practical.
IMO The Keltech is a more practical SHTF gun made for get up and go cus if the SHTF the most mags your going to see laying around are Glock mags. IMO I think u made the right choice with the Keltec Sub 2000. I'm going to purchase the Keltech for that reason and install Mcarbo upgrades. Not only that the Sub 2000's are going for under $400 now with a mail in rebate.
Yes, I bought one and I use it as a backpack gun when I travel. So it's a truck gun, but doesn't live in the truck. It gives me extra firepower, which I hope I never need. I don't plan on deploying if lightening fast. I have a G19 with an extended mag for that.I believe in the Clint Smith philosophy : "Use your pistol to fight your way to your rifle." I also believe it would make a nice home defense gun. Right now I have a cheap Bushnell red dot on it. I keep thinking about changing that out, but it works just fine. It does need a muzzle break, at least.
I just find it to be a good potential backpack gun. The Sub 2000 has a surprisingly devoted niche following. There were entire accessories developed to mount optics without getting in the way of the folding mechanism along with other interesting upgrades that were unique to the Sub 2000. I wanted one in 40 S&W. But if S&W has this in 40, I am sold.
Yeah except its an M&P so it's based on a dumpster fire of a handgun. Just carry a Glock 20, smaller, more reliable and in 10mm which is an actual caliber worth using in the backcountry. If you don't live in the Western US or the deep NE just carry your regular 9mm. You don't need a "backpack" gun to defend you against whitetails.
we need more of this. this type of design is not found a whole lot now days, but say like a 6 inch grip fed folding or telescoping pdw is what everyone is looking for. this is the right direction and I hope to see more manufacturers doing something similar.
@@allcapsboy9139 well preferably a mdw type weapon chambered in 5.7 would be dope but 9mm is cheap and has the potential to be alot smaller. it's kind of the same reason why you can hold more rounds of 556 over 308. but overall we all just want a nice pdw size gun that's not a glock with a stock that we can put into a bag along with other things that a bag would hold.
@@samabinguap8303 Yeah, not everyone. What I am looking for is a decent stock to shove a 9mm Glock into. Seems silly to buy two separate guns or dedicate one gun to this "PDW" role when we should be able to just convert our concealed carry into a PDW if needs be :/
I own a P2000. It cost me ~$400. 32 round Glock aftermarket mags are ~$30. I absolutely love the gun. I carry it to matches in a little book backpack. What James did not specifically state was that these guns are So Much Fun to shoot. I may not be able to compete successfully with the high dollar high end carbines but I have at least as much fun as they do. I was astonished how accurate they were out to 100 yards. I recommend these little folding carbines as an inexpensive and really fun gun that is easy to keep with you in your vehicle or backpack
It's a trade off. The sub2k does sacrifice some usability for sure, but it folds very flat, which is nice. Fits nicely in the laptop sleeve of my pack. This is just chonky by comparison, but it's definitely much more ergonomic.
@@GruntBurger Yea I see your point, I think the optic either staying zero or not requiring novel unproven design will be a way better deal in many shooters' mind though
I think visible lasers are pretty whack for most applications, but I have a streamlight 88090 that I didn't notice has integrated laser until I got it in the mail. I tossed it on the bottom rail of my S2K with the tape switch on top. Makes aiming a whole lot more comfortable than trying to cram my face down onto the tube. The catch is, it won't lock in the folded position, but still fits nicely into the case I use.
Fun story: if you DEPRESS the opposite side of the spare mag latch it's easier than trying to lift the latch. Yes, that's how it's designed, and it's not intuitive at all, but it does work that way.
The buyer now has a choice between this gun and the Kel Tec. Already have the Kel Tec version so I'm out of the running. I really enjoy the Kel Tec and, honestly, perfectly happy with the iron sights. Shooting out to 100 yards accurately is relatively easy. Out to 200 yards is not going to happen unless my intention is to keep people's heads down. The S&W FPC is a welcome newcomer.
I think keltec should add magazine holder into the stock and then make the folding mechanism offset so it folds but doesnt block the sight and making the top rail sorta counterintuitive to the folding mechanism currently.
I already own a couple 9 mm PCCs, so I'll probably wait on this one. If they offer this and something a bit more poppy like 10 mm, or even better 5.7 then I will be interested. I expect we'll be seeing those in a couple of years
@@Allenfreedom1776 yes you can There's 2 or 3 optics mounts that fold and spin out of the way. I have a Midwest industries one. It's great. And it folds spins over the buffer tube when stores for a plenty compact package
So many people have looked at this but I have not sold one yet in 6 months. Price is high for what it is. I call it the FPC 63. As it comes with one 17 round mag and two 23 round mags for a total of 63 rounds on board. That is unique. It's not the prettiest girl in the room but lights up the dance floor from what I have seen in reviews.
Something else to mention is that the sub 2000 is much slimmer (half the width) than the FPC when both are folded in a backpack. This is important when you only have a slim compartment on your carry bag
@@TheAnnoyingBoss I love everything about the sub2k except for the inability to mount an optic up top. I may look into the rotating hand guards that others are mentioning
Have your looked into an offset red dot?? I've seen folks use those, since folks are getting more used to using offset dots anyways. Bonus being you can just use your irons as well if you like shooting irons like I do. I've also seen quick release mounts, and then using a spot of picanny elsewhere to mount the dot for storage. That way you still can use the irons in a hurry, or put the dot on if you got time
I was literally looking at keltecs yesterday. I thought man I wish they made a side folder instead! 🤔 I should've known S&W would have my back! I will be obtaining one of these asap. Thanks James and TFBtv you guys always deliver the goods! 👍🇺🇸
The Kel-Tec Sub 2000 with Red Lion Precision's rotating handguard is a winning combination. Add MCarbo parts and accessories into the mix and the Sub 2000 is on another level.
I never fired my sub 2000 in the original configuration i installed the m carbo upgrades off the rip. Its a good gun. The standard trigger was garbabge thats for sure dry firinging it was docuhey
I"m holding out for an FPC in .40 Cal... I've owned the Sub 2000 in .40 Cal and it shot OK but drew blood each and every time I tried to clean it. Operator error I'm sure but blood letting non the less.. I like the side folding vs top folding because I'll put my AimPoint on it and leave it on rather than take it off every time I store the rifle. Great video. I'll check out your other videos.. Thanks, RT
As far as soft-shooting blowback-design 9mm PCCs/large format pistols go, the Extar EP9 is very nice. Their recoil mitigation efforts are largely successful, slowing the smack of a heavy blowback recoil impulse down to what I would call a “firm but gentle nudge.” They are the most range time fun that $450 can buy. TFB should do a review on them.
Wow this seemingly came out of nowhere! I love guns with a gadget-y gimmick and I cant explain why against my better judgement lol. I hate to say it but despite the S&W being well refined I think the KelTec might still have the leg up here not just for glock mags, but the thinness and aftermarket support solving the optic issue of a top folder. Anyway im just patiently waiting for one of these companies to do a 10mm version is all. People have been begging KelTec to do it since their gen 1. Weve got the wonky mechtech and hipoint now, but the first company to do so with a compact carbine of this style will seriously clean up the market.
Great new item from S&W I love my Keltec sub 2000 . Both have great unique points , but for value and known reliability I would suggest the Keltec for now , but after some proven reviews and testing we’ll see. Good video!
Did you just say ‘but for value and known reliability I would suggest the Keltec for now” ??? First time I ever have ever heard that. 🤔…… and yes I own several Keltecs and generally like them. Reply
The SUB 2K comes in an M&P magazine compatible version. In fact by chnging the mag catch you can several different mags including Sig, Smith 5900 series, Beretta....
I have a Kelt-tec with all the Mcarbo upgrades to make it a much better shooter. They also have a folding red dot mount that works great. It fits nicely in my laptop case and travels when I do. The ability to share magazines with my edc pistol makes it a great combo to have if the shit hits the fan while I'm away from home.
Recall the FPC reviewed, has a replaceable GLOCK Magazine block, so all your Glock 9mm magazines can be used with this foldable carbine. Nice Review. I think I will buy one of these kits with both magazine blocks included, $700. I believe the 9m ballistics with a 16.5" barrel increase muzzle velocity to about 1175 fps for quite a punch. if one loads hollow point amo, a Water Mellon totally EXPLODES. I have a silencer purchased, but the ATF is taking 12+ month to approve. I would like to see Smith & Wesson make a barrel and magazine conversion kit for their 5.7x28 amo used in their new pistol. with a 6" barrel the muzzle velocity is 2300fps, out of a 16" barrel the muzzle velocity could reack 3000fps !!
Exact same RD I out on my FPC. Threw a lil Vortex 3x magnifier on it as well and can easily plink over a hundred yards accurately! Great fun truck gun!
So I bought one, and it’s 10/10. The magazine release in the stock isn’t as bad as they make it seem. I live out on a ranch and it is my new go to for anything 100 yards in.
Same. First time I picked mine up I had forgotten that the opposite paddle side disengages, but I naturally reached for it anyway. If you had to hit the same paddle side, I think it’d be more awkward with your hand bunched up all in the same spot. I think with some practice you could get decently quick with reloads.
If you're willing to modify your M&P mags, you can use them in the Ruger PC Carbine by cutting out an SR-9 magazine catch. It's a just small slot in the middle of the front that doesn't affect their function in M&P pistols at all.
Great video James you should try the Mcarbo upgrades for the Keltec it makes difference they even partnered with Keltec at one point to offer from the factory. The Mcarbo recoil buffer ring, heavy charging handle does make the recoil less and their optic mount allows you to still fold the rifle.
@@Rustebadge its not about the "recoil" itself its about reducing muzzle jump to get the most accurate follow up shots. Staying on target during rapid fire is pretty cool
There's options like the M*Carbo flip down Picatinny mount to allow you to easily deploy a red dot with the sub2000 but that's extra cost. I already have a bunch of glock mags so I'm pretty happy with my choice there. My sub2000 is a fun plinker, probably the same is true with the S&W.
If the shtf theres going to be a hell of a whole lot of Glock mags laying around then M&P mags thats for sure. I'd go with the Keltec. My brother has one in a standard configuration with 3000 rounds through it and no malfunctions. I have a keltech rdb and more then a 1000 rounds and flawless and love it, would never part with it.
I used to think the ballistics of 9mm PCCs were lame but upon researching it a bit, 9mm coming down a 16" barrel does some nice things for the ballistics and range. Fun, cheap plinker too.
I’ve heard the JP-5 is one of the best 9mm, but it’s pretty interesting how they have a S&W pistol lower. Reminds me of the Trailbrazer Pivot that just came out.
Naturally, this reminds me of the Keltec. Honestly I really feel like PCCs like this are going to be normal in the future. Perhaps even good ways to carry them as CCWs. Who knows what the future holds, that's the beautiful part. Wish the grip folded as well.
If it's a choice between grabbing an AK or this, why would I grab this over an AK? AKs fold up pretty small as well, especially if it's an SBR or (pending ATF) braced pistol.
@@VeraceSzK you answered your own question, why get a gun that you possibly cant afford to file papers on, that require you ask permission to cross state lines, and/or will be illegal in a few months if not registered, or grab a gun you can purchase off the shelf and is available to almost everyone with just a standard 4473.
@@VeraceSzK form, function and logistics. An AK is definitely going to get the job done better, but I'm looking at the area I live in and ammo and mags for pistols are much easier to get.
As I carry an M&P as my carry gun this is interesting. Maybe we can get an upgrade on mag capacity. We've been pretty much handicapped to 17. 20, 25, or 30 capacity mags would be extremely beneficial.
I found myself laughing a little too much at several very humourous lines. If these sorts of funny commentary gets under some people's skin I hope they put it in the comments...because I'm 100% certain that will make it the video even funnier & entertaining... Very informative on a firearm I can't have in Australia but might be interested in getting if I could for no obvious reason other than "that might be fun" meaning if I bought one I'd either have it a few weeks or a fair few years. All entertaining so 4 thumbs up with 2 thumbs stolen from my wife who has no sense of humour at all Keeping on keeping on, keep doing the videos you way, they're bloody good!!!
Would be interesting if they released this in .30 Super Carry. Mag capacity would go from 23 to 27 or 28 in the same size mag, and the ballistics would have been interesting to see out of a longer barrel.
.380 .45 10mm What else what else.. longer barrel could probsblt run hotter rounds to take advantage. I saw psa rated their akv for hotter loads. Thats pretty good. A short barreled pistold doesnt need all that powder youll just burn it out of the barrel snd burn whats in the barrel less efficiently.
Just brought one home yesterday. Right out of the box the charging handle took the Jolly Green Giant to work, but one I stripped it down and cleaned/oiled it, everything was good. Respectfully, two things shown here should be done differently. First, releasing the barrel WILL eventually damage the charging handle enough where it wont hold. In the manual that come with the weapon it indicates that when folding or unfolding the barrel the charging handle should be pulled back a tad to release the grip. Of course that takes away the cool cowboy flip. Second, the magazine clip release isnt a pull item...it is a push item. You are supposed to push the opposite side of the mag you want. Want the outside mag....push the inside of the mag release and so on. Still trying to decide which optics to go with.
Took it out to the range and ran 50 rounds through it. Out of those 50, only 5 fired. The rest were cycled by me and the changing handle. So far this is the worse weapon out of the box I have ever owned. I took it back to the place I purchased it from and they are going to send it to S&W. Bottom line, I bet I will be out of $600 and not have a functioning weapon. This sucks.
@@ACommenterOnRUclips It took about 3 1/2 weeks and I finally got my FPC back from S&W. Bottom line, they replaced the total bolt. I took it to the range today and put a little over 100 rounds through it. I used the same ammo I used previously....Blazer Brass FMJ 115 gr....and it worked fine....fired all rounds. I also fire some NATO M15 124 gr rounds and they fired flawlessly as well. It will take some time for me to have confidence in this weapon, but for now its looking good.
Any chance you might be getting your hands on another PCC, The Henry homesteader, anytime soon? A few other gun tubers look like they're posting videos recently like Iraqveteran8888 and 22plinkster. Looking forward to a non-biased honest review from you soon.
I am going with the S&W FPC. I like the Keltec sub but S&W makes better quality. I'm doing a 9mm carbine for home defense since I won't have to get a separate ammo for my range weapon. 12g shells and 9mm is all I will need
2nd folding stock weapon I own and most likely the last, after all how many do you need. The first being the Springfield LE Tactical. I like both, but the S&W is so damn light and packable. The Springfield is good and has more stopping power at 5.56, but I also had to register it with ATF, S&W I’m good. S&W is also good to have in our Jeep or truck and takes up no space at all. I enjoyed the review and the honest language. Not the least bit put off. Rock on Bud!
I used to own a sub 2000 which took Smith and Wesson magazines. I thought it was fairly good, those special purpose weapon. However, as a left-handed shooter, every single round I fired out of that gun plinked off my face, and frankly, I just got sick of it and traded it away. Did you have any left handed shooters on your team test the FPC?
I have added a Green dot and a surefire light and have this as my home defense rifle. Lots of firepower and easilly handled. A great back up to my night stand gun or my desk gun or my great room gun. Accurate, easy to shoot and blinding light for other uses.
I bought this gun to fit under the seat of my large 650 scooter. Adding my targets, ammo and all the other things you need to take to the gun range, this is the perfect rifle for me. I have a very large scope mounted on it, something I couldnt do with the Kel-Tec. (This was the second most important feature to me.) The fact that I can hit my metal target at 100 yards every time is a bonus.
Unpopular opinion, but I'd love to see a single stack shield mag variant of this. I don't have any double stack M&P's, but I have a bunch of shield9 mags already.
The sub 2000 has a side mounted optic frame, and the iron sights have been made by McCarbo. Both guns are nice and have a quick deployment once you practice the deployment. As for the sub 2000, I can say it has no slide release, which for my wife is a much better deal. She doesn't have to worry about her finge. But yes, this weapon will be next in our inventory. Thank you for the video.
Might be good option for home defense for my wife with back and neck problems, and my 4' 9" 98lb daughter. Neither get to the range enough with their handguns so this is a good, accurate, point and shoot option.
Great review, I really like the looks of the FPC but my kel-tec sub 2000 is this most accurate gun right out of the box I ever bought with iron sights, so wouldn't trade it for the FPC. The other thing is the sub 2000 takes glock magazines.
It’d be cool to see an M&P 57 FPC 🤔
Yes
In a year or so there's gonna be so many people embarrassed that they paid money for a 5.7, like the people who paid $2,500 for 9mm PCCs. I wish they did 7.5FK instead because that isn't a centerfire 22 magnum
@@DesertTechMDR- I bet if you got hit by a 5.7 you'd definitely just be like "lol, only feels like a 22 mag!"
Ruger did it and nope
5.7 would be cool as would a 22lr version
2023 is clearly going to be a banner year for weird unnecessary folding, lever action, pistol caliber, whatevers, and I am absolutely here for it.
That mag fed 9mm lever lmao
also, double stack 1911's or 2311's. and cheap mp5's
@@robertparis5680 what's a 2311
@@StrangeTamer178 what some companies are calling their 2011/double stack 1911s since the term 2011 is actually copywritten
@@robertparis5680 ah
The ruby ridge reference was underrated and I appreciate it
Got one recently and honestly cant even find a complaint. It was reliable as hell for probably 10 boxes of cheap crappy ammo. Zero malfunctions. Light weight. Overall good little piece
Is it still holding up?
The carrying bag that comes with this thing is a great deal. For under $700 you're getting a kick ass lil setup.
I bought one a couple days ago and when I saw the bag I was floored. It's not super fancy or anything but it's a decent bag. Plus getting three mags. It was a good deal. 😂
Simply, yes please. That raises the bar for sure. Now we need these in most pistol calibers... .40, .45, 10mm, & 5.7.
10mm for me please
Yeah I think this makes 10mm interesting, would love to see some tests out of a 16inch barrel
Agree! This would be nice in 5.7 to go with the new pistol.
In for a 10
It would be great if they would do roller delay and not just straight blow back.
Everyone did a good job keeping this a secret because I was actually caught off guard with this release.
OFF, FFS
@@nostradamus7648 you ok?
@@creosielectro I guess he couldn't predict his seizure.
Same, pleasant surprise!
@@creosielectro Sure, Captain Mediocrity.
Derpa derrrr, spellin's hard.
Where's mah candy?
no wonder keltec posted the mr bean copying exam results meme
At least you can properly mount an optic on this thing. That is my biggest issue with my sub2000 rifles.
Except that Keltec is a Keltec.
@@user-vs2vk4ol1ynah most sub2k's ive seen are heavily upgraded with mcarbo kits because they suck out of the box. maybe this one did better.
Great review again with the most current guns out. Keltec vs Smith, I'll stick with Keltec. It took Smith almost 20years to come up with something between pistol and rifle. Another example of their mediocre guns. Do you really need a red dot? Keltec has been fine for niche guns that take dif.mfg. mags. I'd rather say I own a pmr dirty30 than a smith fancy Nancy pants. Beretta, Glock, Sig all better than S&W.
Is it me or is the P11 the precursor to the modern glut of compact double stacks
I like pistol caliber carbines for home defense, relatively quiet even unsuppressed . easy to teach non gun people how to use it. They might even enjoy plinking with it. lots of good ammo available. Increased velocity especially with 115 grain bullets. Penetration through barriers is not excessive. I like this option!
Love that James is willing to show his bloopers.
He really loves whipping it out.
I appreciate what KelTec has done with the folding Sub2000 that is internally suppressed. The barrel rotates when folding so that the rifle can be equipped with a red dot.
If only it wasnt a robbery to pay these tax stamps that geprge washington faught the revolutionary war to prevent that the atf is pushing today
I have never seen a rotating barrel on any sub2000. I have seen a rotating handguard from RedLion
@@signkutter9218the sub cqb does have a folding and rotating barrel.
It’s absolutely useless past 75m (like 30moa at 100m) and obnoxiously loud even with subs.
My dad bought one, I’ve got probably 1,500 rounds through it, I wouldn’t recommend the cqb to anyone.
@joshuabressel1280 i have tend of thousands of rounds through many different cans ranging from super budget yhm products to unobtanium kac stuff, and specialty hk and bt products.
The cqb was very unimpressive. I could let the suppression slide if the accuracy wasn’t abysmal.
IMO The Keltech is a more practical SHTF gun made for get up and go cus if the SHTF the most mags your going to see laying around are Glock mags. IMO I think u made the right choice with the Keltec Sub 2000. I'm going to purchase the Keltech for that reason and install Mcarbo upgrades. Not only that the Sub 2000's are going for under $400 now with a mail in rebate.
Just a heads up. To release the rear magazines, you don't have to pull up on the tab. Push down on the opposite side tab and it'll release the opposite magazine. If you wanna release the left mag, press down on the right tab. Much easier than trying to lift it up.
I haven't watched the video yet, so this comment sounds like it's for a gun in a fever dream.
Even if you think the sub or this is unnecessary or weird, I say well done. Innovation is always cool. My sub 2000 has every bell and whistle from M-carbo (and I even won their flip side optic mount). It got me enthusiastic about firearms and allowed me to tinker and learn. My sub is reliable as heck and it’s a favorite to shoot by myself and my boys love it too. Bravo to S&W to their pack gun idea brought to the free world to enjoy.
I love my Sub2000. Upgraded to an aluminum trigger, the little round handguard, and aluminum fiber optic sights. I found a little two-pistol case that fits it perfectly, has enough room for 2-33 round mags, 5-15 round mags, and two boxes of ammo (50 rounds each). That should be enough while backpacking. LOL
I had the Sub 2K that took .40 M&P mags. I would have been interested in a 9mm M&P version but had little luck finding one. Will be getting one of the FPCs as soon as practical.
I really want a sub2000 I've been trying to find one there Hard to find California even though there California legal
IMO The Keltech is a more practical SHTF gun made for get up and go cus if the SHTF the most mags your going to see laying around are Glock mags. IMO I think u made the right choice with the Keltec Sub 2000. I'm going to purchase the Keltech for that reason and install Mcarbo upgrades. Not only that the Sub 2000's are going for under $400 now with a mail in rebate.
Free world. Sounds like a nice place to visit and never leave. How much is a ticket from the USA. Space X go there?
"unless we want to get Ruby Ridged" ...classic James! but how many remember??
Yes, I bought one and I use it as a backpack gun when I travel. So it's a truck gun, but doesn't live in the truck. It gives me extra firepower, which I hope I never need. I don't plan on deploying if lightening fast. I have a G19 with an extended mag for that.I believe in the Clint Smith philosophy : "Use your pistol to fight your way to your rifle." I also believe it would make a nice home defense gun. Right now I have a cheap Bushnell red dot on it. I keep thinking about changing that out, but it works just fine. It does need a muzzle break, at least.
I just find it to be a good potential backpack gun. The Sub 2000 has a surprisingly devoted niche following. There were entire accessories developed to mount optics without getting in the way of the folding mechanism along with other interesting upgrades that were unique to the Sub 2000. I wanted one in 40 S&W. But if S&W has this in 40, I am sold.
pretty sure kel tec had one in 40 S&W
Let 40S&W die…Embrace 10mm!
Yeah except its an M&P so it's based on a dumpster fire of a handgun. Just carry a Glock 20, smaller, more reliable and in 10mm which is an actual caliber worth using in the backcountry. If you don't live in the Western US or the deep NE just carry your regular 9mm. You don't need a "backpack" gun to defend you against whitetails.
40.
Why though?
@@DB.KOOPER dude that’s objectively false. The M&P series is one of the most popular handguns on the market. Definitely not a “dUmPsTeR FiRe”
we need more of this. this type of design is not found a whole lot now days, but say like a 6 inch grip fed folding or telescoping pdw is what everyone is looking for. this is the right direction and I hope to see more manufacturers doing something similar.
but why? its 9mm. can you not hit targets with your handgun? step up to 300blk if you want actual performance increase
Everyone?
@@allcapsboy9139 well preferably a mdw type weapon chambered in 5.7 would be dope but 9mm is cheap and has the potential to be alot smaller. it's kind of the same reason why you can hold more rounds of 556 over 308.
but overall we all just want a nice pdw size gun that's not a glock with a stock that we can put into a bag along with other things that a bag would hold.
The whole 16” barrel just ruins it for me, though I’m sure they’ll be fun plinkers all the same, just not as practical for use.
@@samabinguap8303 Yeah, not everyone. What I am looking for is a decent stock to shove a 9mm Glock into. Seems silly to buy two separate guns or dedicate one gun to this "PDW" role when we should be able to just convert our concealed carry into a PDW if needs be :/
I can see S&W comeing out with 5.7 version due to their new 5.7 pistol. And that i would be greatly interested in.
That and 10mm
That would probably make the caliber and that new pistol much more popular. Options are sales.
I just wish they would increase this 5.7 bullet velocity instead of neuter it. I want my bullets going faster not slower.
I own a P2000. It cost me ~$400. 32 round Glock aftermarket mags are ~$30. I absolutely love the gun. I carry it to matches in a little book backpack. What James did not specifically state was that these guns are So Much Fun to shoot. I may not be able to compete successfully with the high dollar high end carbines but I have at least as much fun as they do. I was astonished how accurate they were out to 100 yards. I recommend these little folding carbines as an inexpensive and really fun gun that is easy to keep with you in your vehicle or backpack
Fun factor is the only reason I bought an FPC
For the rear mag holder release, just push the opposite side from the mag you want to pull out. Can be done with gloves. Great videos as always.
How did they not know this 🤣😂😂
Or lift up on the same side you want to release 🤙
My guess is that there will be a company that comes out with a mod forbthis.
Folding to the side makes mounting optics so much easier. 100% better than the 2000 in my book
It's a trade off. The sub2k does sacrifice some usability for sure, but it folds very flat, which is nice. Fits nicely in the laptop sleeve of my pack. This is just chonky by comparison, but it's definitely much more ergonomic.
@@GruntBurger Yea I see your point, I think the optic either staying zero or not requiring novel unproven design will be a way better deal in many shooters' mind though
I think visible lasers are pretty whack for most applications, but I have a streamlight 88090 that I didn't notice has integrated laser until I got it in the mail. I tossed it on the bottom rail of my S2K with the tape switch on top. Makes aiming a whole lot more comfortable than trying to cram my face down onto the tube. The catch is, it won't lock in the folded position, but still fits nicely into the case I use.
@@alejandrogonzales7022 isn't there mlock on the side you can mount the tape switch to?
@@earlturner6023 Some people prefer it on top.
Alot of quality content in the last few months! Great job! Love the shotgun burn downs that you do.
I'd like to see them release a 10mm version.
Yep there needs to be more 10mm pccs
Great idea, making a hard core PCC. But for a range toy, 9mm versions will get a lot more use.
At this point we need to go all in on an 11mm
10mm and .30 Super Carry.
Fun story: if you DEPRESS the opposite side of the spare mag latch it's easier than trying to lift the latch. Yes, that's how it's designed, and it's not intuitive at all, but it does work that way.
Using the compact grip is pretty genius as it allows more mag compatibility.
I carry a 9 compact , and already have a few 17rd mags I keep in the truck. Having 100% mag compatibility would be a plus.
The buyer now has a choice between this gun and the Kel Tec. Already have the Kel Tec version so I'm out of the running. I really enjoy the Kel Tec and, honestly, perfectly happy with the iron sights. Shooting out to 100 yards accurately is relatively easy. Out to 200 yards is not going to happen unless my intention is to keep people's heads down. The S&W FPC is a welcome newcomer.
Check out Red Lion Precision's rotating handguard for the Sub 2000. It works. Takes the rifle to another level.
No reason you can't own both ;)
@@michaelguzman7363 I've seen that. Might consider it in the future. I'm just happy to put a 30+ round Glock mag into the sucker.
I think keltec should add magazine holder into the stock and then make the folding mechanism offset so it folds but doesnt block the sight and making the top rail sorta counterintuitive to the folding mechanism currently.
I already own a couple 9 mm PCCs, so I'll probably wait on this one. If they offer this and something a bit more poppy like 10 mm, or even better 5.7 then I will be interested. I expect we'll be seeing those in a couple of years
Oooooh. 5.7 would be interesting...
5.7 sounds cool to me but ammo needs to get cheaper!
Just sit back and relax my friend. S&W 5.7 PCC/Rifle is on the way!
If this was in 10mm I could almost see this as backcountry bear defense setup
That's definitely going on my list.... Wow compact on a whole other level
Get a sub2k
@Tyler S very helpful and thoughtful contribution 👏
@@Doman3500 Can't keep optics on a sub2k when folded (aka the whole point of the gun)
@@Allenfreedom1776 yes you can
There's 2 or 3 optics mounts that fold and spin out of the way. I have a Midwest industries one. It's great. And it folds spins over the buffer tube when stores for a plenty compact package
Check out Red Lion Precision's rotating handguard for the Kel-Tec 2000 and be convinced.
So many people have looked at this but I have not sold one yet in 6 months. Price is high for what it is. I call it the FPC 63. As it comes with one 17 round mag and two 23 round mags for a total of 63 rounds on board. That is unique. It's not the prettiest girl in the room but lights up the dance floor from what I have seen in reviews.
can u recommend red dot sights for this. The reviewer did not id the sights he was using. I am still in the thinking/research phase of buying the gun.
I love my CX4 so I know this is on the horizon! This is just a badass set up
Hope to see more calibers to come
Something else to mention is that the sub 2000 is much slimmer (half the width) than the FPC when both are folded in a backpack. This is important when you only have a slim compartment on your carry bag
Good review as usual. Nice to see something new in a 9mm Carbine.
I had been debating selling my sub2000, but this video has reignited my interest in it once again. It's nice to see a similar rifle hit the market
I personally perfer the sub2k folding retention system, but i like the m&p folding without interfering with scope
@@TheAnnoyingBoss I love everything about the sub2k except for the inability to mount an optic up top. I may look into the rotating hand guards that others are mentioning
@@istepp_96 mcarbo and a few others make a optic mount that folds to the side sorta like a eotech magnifier
@@johnsmitty7447 I'm familiar with that mount and have considered it in the past. It seems like a sweet setup as well
Have your looked into an offset red dot?? I've seen folks use those, since folks are getting more used to using offset dots anyways. Bonus being you can just use your irons as well if you like shooting irons like I do.
I've also seen quick release mounts, and then using a spot of picanny elsewhere to mount the dot for storage. That way you still can use the irons in a hurry, or put the dot on if you got time
Hahaha, the rope, duct tape and knife bit was hilarious. MY TOOLS!!!! I NEED MY TOOLS!!!!
I was literally looking at keltecs yesterday. I thought man I wish they made a side folder instead! 🤔 I should've known S&W would have my back! I will be obtaining one of these asap. Thanks James and TFBtv you guys always deliver the goods! 👍🇺🇸
As an M&P owner with a few of them all I could say is that innovation is way better than imitation 👍
The Kel-Tec Sub 2000 with Red Lion Precision's rotating handguard is a winning combination. Add MCarbo parts and accessories into the mix and the Sub 2000 is on another level.
I never fired my sub 2000 in the original configuration i installed the m carbo upgrades off the rip. Its a good gun. The standard trigger was garbabge thats for sure dry firinging it was docuhey
Keltec sub 2000 has a plastic feed ramp! I just can’t trust it with a plastic feed ramp
@@tristenweems5734 if you bothered to read the comment it would have been apparent that you could replace that with MCarbo parts.
It's still pretty decent, only had 1 or 2 misfeeds of the 2k rounds I fired.
Just like with the Sub 2k, the "sproinging" of the recoil springs inside the butt erases any sense of aesthetic value unlike with my Ruger pc carbine.
I"m holding out for an FPC in .40 Cal... I've owned the Sub 2000 in .40 Cal and it shot OK but drew blood each and every time I tried to clean it. Operator error I'm sure but blood letting non the less.. I like the side folding vs top folding because I'll put my AimPoint on it and leave it on rather than take it off every time I store the rifle. Great video. I'll check out your other videos.. Thanks, RT
As far as soft-shooting blowback-design 9mm PCCs/large format pistols go, the Extar EP9 is very nice. Their recoil mitigation efforts are largely successful, slowing the smack of a heavy blowback recoil impulse down to what I would call a “firm but gentle nudge.”
They are the most range time fun that $450 can buy. TFB should do a review on them.
The EP9 will be a great gun again when a certain corrupt bureaucracy loses in court and must allow everyone to use whatever pistol braces they want.
Wow this seemingly came out of nowhere! I love guns with a gadget-y gimmick and I cant explain why against my better judgement lol.
I hate to say it but despite the S&W being well refined I think the KelTec might still have the leg up here not just for glock mags, but the thinness and aftermarket support solving the optic issue of a top folder. Anyway im just patiently waiting for one of these companies to do a 10mm version is all. People have been begging KelTec to do it since their gen 1. Weve got the wonky mechtech and hipoint now, but the first company to do so with a compact carbine of this style will seriously clean up the market.
The KelTec sub2000 also has a Beretta magazine capable version. 9mm carbines rock! Good video, thanks!
Would be way more interesting in 10mm. 5.7 is also an intriguing caliber for this setup...
Reason why the folding is great is because you can clean the barrel easier as well as look down the barrel especially with a suppressor.
Thats very convenient.
S&W is making this in a 10mm. I have the FPC. Really fun gun, shoots great.
Great new item from S&W I love my Keltec sub 2000 . Both have great unique points , but for value and known reliability I would suggest the Keltec for now , but after some proven reviews and testing we’ll see. Good video!
Did you just say ‘but for value and known reliability I would suggest the Keltec for now” ??? First time I ever have ever heard that. 🤔…… and yes I own several Keltecs and generally like them.
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@kennydoggins1712 the rear sight on my m&p never fell off while I was shooting, so there's that
S&W is the king of almost cool. Every product feels like 90% developed.
You just described Kel-tec to a tee lol
Nothing I can't do with a 686
To release the magazine(s), you push the opposite side (not pull the side you’re attempting to retrieve from the stock).
Absolutely love the FPC.i didn’t know what to expect but after owning it for over a year it has definatly become my home defense favorite
Thanks for the fair review of the S&W FPC unit. Great comments and observations for purchase considerations. 😎
The SUB 2K comes in an M&P magazine compatible version. In fact by chnging the mag catch you can several different mags including Sig, Smith 5900 series, Beretta....
0:40 We love you James
I have a Kelt-tec with all the Mcarbo upgrades to make it a much better shooter. They also have a folding red dot mount that works great. It fits nicely in my laptop case and travels when I do. The ability to share magazines with my edc pistol makes it a great combo to have if the shit hits the fan while I'm away from home.
If the shtf theres going to be a hell of a whole lot more Glock mags laying around then M&P mags thats for sure. I'd go with the Keltec.
Recall the FPC reviewed, has a replaceable GLOCK Magazine block, so all your Glock 9mm magazines can be used with this foldable carbine. Nice Review. I think I will buy one of these kits with both magazine blocks included, $700. I believe the 9m ballistics with a 16.5" barrel increase muzzle velocity to about 1175 fps for quite a punch. if one loads hollow point amo, a Water Mellon totally EXPLODES. I have a silencer purchased, but the ATF is taking 12+ month to approve. I would like to see Smith & Wesson make a barrel and magazine conversion kit for their 5.7x28 amo used in their new pistol. with a 6" barrel the muzzle velocity is 2300fps, out of a 16" barrel the muzzle velocity could reack 3000fps !!
I think that’s the ruger pcc, this block i doubt can be changed due to the grip being made for smith mags
Just bought one and mounted a Sig Romeo5 red dot. What fun! Great little shooter.
Exact same RD I out on my FPC. Threw a lil Vortex 3x magnifier on it as well and can easily plink over a hundred yards accurately! Great fun truck gun!
So I bought one, and it’s 10/10. The magazine release in the stock isn’t as bad as they make it seem. I live out on a ranch and it is my new go to for anything 100 yards in.
Same. First time I picked mine up I had forgotten that the opposite paddle side disengages, but I naturally reached for it anyway. If you had to hit the same paddle side, I think it’d be more awkward with your hand bunched up all in the same spot. I think with some practice you could get decently quick with reloads.
Nice, finally a pcc that takes smith mags.
Henry Homesteader
If you're willing to modify your M&P mags, you can use them in the Ruger PC Carbine by cutting out an SR-9 magazine catch. It's a just small slot in the middle of the front that doesn't affect their function in M&P pistols at all.
The 2000 can be bought set up for M&P mags.
In addition to being a viable backpack gun, it seems like it might be a good home defense gun for the slighter framed set.
In my opinion, this has some awesome practical features. I like it.
Also, I love the bloopers / outtakes, shows good character and makes you one of us :)
Great video James you should try the Mcarbo upgrades for the Keltec it makes difference they even partnered with Keltec at one point to offer from the factory. The Mcarbo recoil buffer ring, heavy charging handle does make the recoil less and their optic mount allows you to still fold the rifle.
Less recoil from a childs gun. Hahahahaha. Come on. Less recoil?
@@Rustebadge its not about the "recoil" itself its about reducing muzzle jump to get the most accurate follow up shots. Staying on target during rapid fire is pretty cool
This is definitely the first S&W product review that has made me want to get a KelTec. I might actually buy one if they came in 10mm or .45 ACP.
There's options like the M*Carbo flip down Picatinny mount to allow you to easily deploy a red dot with the sub2000 but that's extra cost. I already have a bunch of glock mags so I'm pretty happy with my choice there. My sub2000 is a fun plinker, probably the same is true with the S&W.
If the shtf theres going to be a hell of a whole lot of Glock mags laying around then M&P mags thats for sure. I'd go with the Keltec. My brother has one in a standard configuration with 3000 rounds through it and no malfunctions. I have a keltech rdb and more then a 1000 rounds and flawless and love it, would never part with it.
I used to think the ballistics of 9mm PCCs were lame but upon researching it a bit, 9mm coming down a 16" barrel does some nice things for the ballistics and range. Fun, cheap plinker too.
James, yes - you are still awesome, thanks for the review!
I’ve heard the JP-5 is one of the best 9mm, but it’s pretty interesting how they have a S&W pistol lower. Reminds me of the Trailbrazer Pivot that just came out.
yes but 3500 vs 600 dollars.
Naturally, this reminds me of the Keltec. Honestly I really feel like PCCs like this are going to be normal in the future. Perhaps even good ways to carry them as CCWs. Who knows what the future holds, that's the beautiful part. Wish the grip folded as well.
I don’t think you can CCW a rifle though.
Wearer a duster and you can conceal carry this 😂
If it's a choice between grabbing an AK or this, why would I grab this over an AK? AKs fold up pretty small as well, especially if it's an SBR or (pending ATF) braced pistol.
@@VeraceSzK you answered your own question, why get a gun that you possibly cant afford to file papers on, that require you ask permission to cross state lines, and/or will be illegal in a few months if not registered, or grab a gun you can purchase off the shelf and is available to almost everyone with just a standard 4473.
@@VeraceSzK form, function and logistics. An AK is definitely going to get the job done better, but I'm looking at the area I live in and ammo and mags for pistols are much easier to get.
As I carry an M&P as my carry gun this is interesting. Maybe we can get an upgrade on mag capacity. We've been pretty much handicapped to 17. 20, 25, or 30 capacity mags would be extremely beneficial.
They come with 23 rounders
I found myself laughing a little too much at several very humourous lines. If these sorts of funny commentary gets under some people's skin I hope they put it in the comments...because I'm 100% certain that will make it the video even funnier & entertaining...
Very informative on a firearm I can't have in Australia but might be interested in getting if I could for no obvious reason other than "that might be fun" meaning if I bought one I'd either have it a few weeks or a fair few years.
All entertaining so 4 thumbs up with 2 thumbs stolen from my wife who has no sense of humour at all
Keeping on keeping on, keep doing the videos you way, they're bloody good!!!
Best review video of this! That’s my favorite ammo! Great for defense, too!
The 5.7 version of this is going to go super hard
Really? Prefer the hardiness of the FN Bullpup.
They neutered the cartridge bro
Would be interesting if they released this in .30 Super Carry. Mag capacity would go from 23 to 27 or 28 in the same size mag, and the ballistics would have been interesting to see out of a longer barrel.
.380 .45 10mm What else what else.. longer barrel could probsblt run hotter rounds to take advantage. I saw psa rated their akv for hotter loads. Thats pretty good. A short barreled pistold doesnt need all that powder youll just burn it out of the barrel snd burn whats in the barrel less efficiently.
When you can get a sub2000 for sub $400, I think the S&W msrp is going to make it less competitive
23 I just purchased this weapon. love this one
Just brought one home yesterday. Right out of the box the charging handle took the Jolly Green Giant to work, but one I stripped it down and cleaned/oiled it, everything was good.
Respectfully, two things shown here should be done differently. First, releasing the barrel WILL eventually damage the charging handle enough where it wont hold. In the manual that come with the weapon it indicates that when folding or unfolding the barrel the charging handle should be pulled back a tad to release the grip. Of course that takes away the cool cowboy flip. Second, the magazine clip release isnt a pull item...it is a push item. You are supposed to push the opposite side of the mag you want. Want the outside mag....push the inside of the mag release and so on.
Still trying to decide which optics to go with.
Took it out to the range and ran 50 rounds through it. Out of those 50, only 5 fired. The rest were cycled by me and the changing handle. So far this is the worse weapon out of the box I have ever owned. I took it back to the place I purchased it from and they are going to send it to S&W. Bottom line, I bet I will be out of $600 and not have a functioning weapon. This sucks.
@@ACommenterOnRUclips It took about 3 1/2 weeks and I finally got my FPC back from S&W. Bottom line, they replaced the total bolt. I took it to the range today and put a little over 100 rounds through it. I used the same ammo I used previously....Blazer Brass FMJ 115 gr....and it worked fine....fired all rounds. I also fire some NATO M15 124 gr rounds and they fired flawlessly as well. It will take some time for me to have confidence in this weapon, but for now its looking good.
I'd love to see this compared to the Ruger PC9. Side folding vs takedown and the Ruger takes glock mags.
Takedown has the advantage of feeling like a hitman from a 1980’s flick.
The side fold makes it better than a 2000 anyway, need one with glock mags!
Not really. A Midwest industries mount for the sub2k makes the sub 2k way better
Any chance you might be getting your hands on another PCC, The Henry homesteader, anytime soon? A few other gun tubers look like they're posting videos recently like Iraqveteran8888 and 22plinkster. Looking forward to a non-biased honest review from you soon.
I am going with the S&W FPC. I like the Keltec sub but S&W makes better quality. I'm doing a 9mm carbine for home defense since I won't have to get a separate ammo for my range weapon. 12g shells and 9mm is all I will need
2nd folding stock weapon I own and most likely the last, after all how many do you need. The first being the Springfield LE Tactical. I like both, but the S&W is so damn light and packable. The Springfield is good and has more stopping power at 5.56, but I also had to register it with ATF, S&W I’m good. S&W is also good to have in our Jeep or truck and takes up no space at all. I enjoyed the review and the honest language. Not the least bit put off. Rock on Bud!
If they make this in 10mm I WILL buy it immediately.
Would be nice to see all these different PCCs in 10mm as well.
I used to own a sub 2000 which took Smith and Wesson magazines. I thought it was fairly good, those special purpose weapon. However, as a left-handed shooter, every single round I fired out of that gun plinked off my face, and frankly, I just got sick of it and traded it away. Did you have any left handed shooters on your team test the FPC?
It looks like the FPC has a shell deflector, so this might be a usable option for a lefty.
Kinda sucla considering the charging handle is smart thinking
I have added a Green dot and a surefire light and have this as my home defense rifle. Lots of firepower and easilly handled. A great back up to my night stand gun or my desk gun or my great room gun. Accurate, easy to shoot and blinding light for other uses.
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the receiver looks like a smaller version of mg34/42
Same! 🤣👍🏻
Yeah it does!
Something like this is what I always imagined a GLOCK carbine would look like, except it would be more "GLOCKy".
I would be more interested in a nonfolding with a lower price.
S&W Response, but i saw somewhere it has an issue.
I bought this gun to fit under the seat of my large 650 scooter. Adding my targets, ammo and all the other things you need to take to the gun range, this is the perfect rifle for me. I have a very large scope mounted on it, something I couldnt do with the Kel-Tec. (This was the second most important feature to me.) The fact that I can hit my metal target at 100 yards every time is a bonus.
I have one on order and can’t wait to check it out. I’m putting on the romeo 7 optic.
Why aren't more of these PCCs coming in 10mm?
Unpopular opinion, but I'd love to see a single stack shield mag variant of this. I don't have any double stack M&P's, but I have a bunch of shield9 mags already.
You would hope that the lower would be swappable to some extent
Doesn't the keltec let you do that?
Wow, they somehow made the t-handle but even worse. This is innovative!
The sub 2000 has a side mounted optic frame, and the iron sights have been made by McCarbo. Both guns are nice and have a quick deployment once you practice the deployment. As for the sub 2000, I can say it has no slide release, which for my wife is a much better deal. She doesn't have to worry about her finge. But yes, this weapon will be next in our inventory. Thank you for the video.
Might be good option for home defense for my wife with back and neck problems, and my 4' 9" 98lb daughter. Neither get to the range enough with their handguns so this is a good, accurate, point and shoot option.
Smith & Wesson should be ashamed.
Of what?
@@Murphy82nd being unoriginal.
@@themotorhino1331lol so any item ever evolved and improved from a previous platform should be considered unworthy? Mmmkay.
@@TGLASS24 Has to be improved to be considered worthy. So the answer to your question to my year old comment is yes.
@themotorhino1331 it is improved.
Mcarbo (Veteran owned) came out with a flip mount for the Keltec sub 2000. So you can fold it with the optic still on.
Great review, I really like the looks of the FPC but my kel-tec sub 2000 is this most accurate gun right out of the box I ever bought with iron sights, so wouldn't trade it for the FPC. The other thing is the sub 2000 takes glock magazines.
Will this inspire Glock to make a PCC?
My next purchase , thanks for the honest review
Never heard "ruby ridged"used as a verb before. Excellent!
I already own an MCARBO-enhanced S2K and I’m still getting one of these!