“It’s pretty cool to see these companies are listening and responding to the public” ..... meanwhile Future Motion invited me out to test the pint before launch and didn’t make ONE change before shipping the product. If anything they changed the firmware adding a bunch more pushback than Bodhi and I experienced while testing. WTF.
I’m convinced Onewheel (Future Motion) will start to really loose market share and sales if they don’t make significant changes to the way they do business. Either that or come out with a significant upgrade next year. Just a new battery isn’t enough with all the 3rd party innovation going on now. (Chibatterysystems).
slydogstroh ya they’ve been having a lot of problems, and why would anyone want to get a one wheel from a company that doesn’t listen when you can get these amazing EUCs from companies that care
Really funny how I was told "With onewheels you pay for build quality and customer service" meanwhile new boards keep getting delivered dead-on-arrival with no choice but to ship it back cause 3rd party repairs aren't allowed. Then you've got ewheels who have replaced people's entire wheels due to manufacturing defects and who sell every part for every wheel they stock if you need them, plus same day response by their support. Onewheels were cool at one point but now the specs are dated and they are miles behind the safety warnings of the EUC (I mean at one point they had an official speed leader board....for a device that relies on self balancing...) Also, I absolutely love your content.
It's cool that these wheels have their own unique style and personality. They're not just generic appliances with varying levels of battery power, they're expressive vehicles with character, much like cars or motorcycles.
I know I'm tardy to the party, but I fell in love with my first onewheel last year (after seeing one in public and watching some of ur videos), and bought some more used ones, but after learning more about FM, I sold all of my OWs that had pairing, leaving me a 4209 and a v1, and got myself a v11 to diversify my portfolio a bit. I hope you realize how impactful your "why I'm sending back my GT" video has been. VESC is getting enormous attention and I've seen quite a few people canceling their GT orders and citing your video as the reason. Love what you do, Jimmy.
Nice comparison vid thanks Jimmy. Between you and Marty, I’m going with the V11. At 63 years under my belt I’ve mellowed out quite a bit and realized that my body (despite the power of my mind) doesn’t bounce back as quickly as it use to, so range, smoothness and stability is what I’m looking for. I’ll cheer on those rad maneuvers the young whipper-snappers are pulling off. I’ll keep my Onewheel to get that snowboarding vibe out of my system whenever needed, but as a hardcore skier I think the V11 will be a great dry land trainer.
@@ElijahIan check out hsiangs YT video on the fall he took with the v11 and you might just revert that thought ;-) ruclips.net/video/R7i1CrO1I1I/видео.html
I am looking forward to buying a pint and I literally watch your videos 10 times a day. I love how you work with your family and how they get involved in this electric vehicle fun. You are the best guide for beginners and although I don’t have my one wheel yet, I am still getting ready with all your awesome tutorials!
I've ordered the S18, despite I'm a cruiser rider. I trust Kingsong much better in general, and this cantilever suspension system is for me the best choice for those machines.
Hi Jimmy, the V 11 looks more comfortable and looks like it is a stronger EUC with more batteries. It also looks like it would be more durable and have less parts that are apt to break. I'm more of a cruiser and I would take the V 11. That kickstand is cool too.
V11 would probably be it for me. I'm on pavement the majority of the time. Currently have an Msuper V3s+ 1300wh. The V11 would be more of a straight upgrade. About the same top speed, maybe slightly more power, a slightly larger battery, suspension, higher/more comfortable seated riding, etc. S18 is great for what it is, but I wouldn't want to pay that for a lower top speed and smaller battery than what I have (but again, I'm not looking for as much of the off roader). I think my ideal wheel would be something like an MSX/MSP but with a bit of suspension (like give the V11 suspension to an MSP). At least a 40mph top speed for some head room, good MSP torque for hill climbing, etc (although I'm honestly not really sure exactly how they all compare in terms of torque between the V3s+, V11, and MSP, but I'm assuming least to most in the order I listed them)
I've been following this trend for a few weeks now and am interested in getting started with one of 3 models: Ks-S18 I-V11 V-Sherman I wish the sherman had a suspension of would make it first choice. $ prohibitive a tad, full improved weather proofing and suspension would make cost easier... S18 with ots lowest range is enough to count it out, although aesthetically it's the most attractive by far. The v11, seems like an innovative design that allows for customization, it could be integrated into the Sherman and that would be savage. Sherman Savage... See I did the brain work, the mother copanies just have to get on it. Due to the price prohibitions, I unfortunately will likely have to wait 5+ years before I can even own an EUC, I just prey this trend grows in a safe and majestic manner so as to not cause it's own extinction b4 then. Cheers 🍻
I love crossovers. V11 for me. I just want speedy and smooth riding. No off road or jumping. But I will still add sticky cushion headphones pads. Just for gripping And a seat. Buy or DIY. Edit But...nothing wrong with getting both. Still learning on my V5f right now. Still searching for the right shoes+insoles.
I'm convinced suspension EUC is my next wheel (currently using the Nikola 100V). Though i'd love to off-road one day, I just don't do it enough to justify buying a wheel more oriented towards offroading just yet. I'm leaning towards the V11 because as soon as I saw how tall it was, I immediately saw that it could be the most comfortable seated riding ever! Talk about comfortable cruising. Hopefully, someone will figure out how to add pads comfortably to the V11 and I could use it for off roading too one day
Jimmy, The review was real and awesome!!! But gotta say that the “Chooch and Chang” was priceless!!! Hahahahaha Just too bad 90% of current riders will not get it as we’re probably from another generation. Ride on!
It bothers me that you guys are making me want to get an EUC. I'm in Denver too, so even more tempting knowing that there are folks in the area who share the hobby.
I like the fact that the Kingsong suspension takes the wear and tear off of not just your knees but the entire machine, which seems like it should help to extend the machine's life as well as the life of your knees.
Nice briefing!!! I think Rebound Dampening is the most important feature for EUCs safety, before all the other stuff about suspension. Once compressed you don't want to immediately be pushed up, you want the stretching to happen in slow motion to keep control of your wheel. Nobody mentions this on the suspension videos, so I wonder if these 2 wheels don't have this feature? If so, an after market shock on the S18 could make a big difference!
These are cool. Glad I got to see someone a trust to do a comparison video. Nice people. Sweet vid. I’m looking more into the v11 and maybe even sell the one wheel. Maybe.
Great review. I'm a bit late to the conversation, but since both units are still being made/sold, I'd go with the V11. Custom motor, better braking, more power, range, top speed, much better headlight, seat available, quality build. I don't plan on going off road, so the S18 doesn't seem to offer anything for the street cruiser beyond the shock. Seems very open too, to dirt, water.
Thanks for the video. I just put my deposit in for the V11. It's do to arrive in port on March 3rd. I will let you know when it's in hand. EUC for Life!
I preordered the S18 and I can't wait to get i! I do a lot of trail riding and various terrain on my OW so I plan to do the same with the S18. I will just add the optional 780WH external battery that no one is really talking about to deal with the range situation if it arises.
Ya, I wont miind the extra weight. I m150 lb rider. I have to carry the GIANT hypercharger with my Onewheel and it is literally a brick. Heavy AF too. The external battery will be no issue for me since I carry a backpack with the brick charger and at least 1L of water. I won't notice a difference and if I do it will be negligible. Well worth it for the butter suspension.
I weigh 120, I think I'll get a much higer range than most so I'm not too worried about the extra battery. I felt the S18 was the best choice for my first wheel, the next will be a faster one.
Cancelled my V11 order and never considered a Kingsong. After getting my Veteran Sherman, I cant picture ever riding the V11 after effortlessly hitting 45 mph on it. I will be waiting for the Gotway EX.
I'm finally happy with my S18... it was a PITA getting it from the box to mile 20 working... mile 25 shock adjusted nice. I especially like its lighter weight (grab and take in the car)... and its range is enough for me (44 miles = over 2 hours averaging 20 mph). I do need to get a dual-use street/trail tire on it.
I'm waiting for my S18! seeing it through Chooch & your video, the anticipation is growing out of control! I ride multi-terrain all day, everyday so my only concern on S18 is how long the battery would last because I do a really hard 20 mile run on weekends and even w/ my MSX, I'm down to half by the time I get back. I'll probably stay on top speed when I'm on road so it will drain the battery fast which is a concern because by the time I get to a trail on one of these, I might be low on battery to pull any fast trail rides like Chooch...and none of the pre-production improvements include battery upgrade or speed upgrade like V11. Crap.
@@freshlycharged seems like it's two totally diff. approach to attaching shock and after seeing all the videos, I have to say I want BOTH! Lol I can totally see myself riding both, each for diff. purpose. That would be ideal.😆
Great video Jimmy! It was really good to see you and Chooch together. And as a guy who comes from the era of Cheech and Chong the idea of Chooch and Chang is hilarious LOL
It seems to me after hearing the riders views on these machines the biggest problems are centered around ergonomics. It would be cool if they made them in sizes that corresponds with different heights or a way to make the wheels figment anatomical and ergonomically fitting. Great reviews.
There are some wheels for child, look at 14 inc models. But for adult riders its depend not on your body, but on your riding level, budget and goals. And even though - there are the new s22 wheel if someone need bigger s18.
hey Jimmy, I pulled the trigger and my used onewheel plus is arriving tomorrow. got a great deal in this facebook onewheel market group. thanks for your videos. I think I caught up on most of them and it was very helpful and got me hooked. lookin forward to joining that float life
@@1floatwheel thanks! just went out for my first ride and MAN! feels like snowboarding on concrete. my plus ran out of juice half mile from my house and did the was of shame. i definitely got my arm work out in for the day. looking forward to some extender upgrades.
@@DavidHLee a word of advice...always get slick tires if you want to do tricks. best grip: vicious grip tape, best long distance pad: Kush pad. just wanted to save you from search there. & if you have time to kill, come watch what I ride on my channel! Thanks & Enjoy!
now i’m curious how that seat accessory will turn out. thanks for sharing. there’s a video of someone at a chinese airport using his luggage as a seat and propelling himself through the airport and travel areas with an euc. if allowed for travel, that would save time and be more comfortable during the long distances.
I'm in the market for my 1st euc. I'm more of a cruiser than a jumper but damn, the S18 looks freaking good. Still the best looking euc to date in my opinion.
Every video points me to V11, looks so nice and comfy, put some Clark Pads and some of those waffle pedals they're working on to solve the grip issue and its golden, maybe its a good thing I can't afford it yet, couple more months and they should have those done and maybe be an option to buy pre-installed with the seat as well, cozy and capable, the KS looks beautiful as well, chefs kiss to the aesthetics but I'm not really much of an off roader type.
Love the content from both you and chooch! I was first introduced to euc’s from the video you did on the one wheel where you hopped off it and pulled, I think it was, a gotway mten out of your backpack and started riding. Thought that was so cool. I then did more research and ran into chooch videos. I ended up buying a 84v msx. Im curious what type of batteries are in each ( size and brand) if you guys know off hand. For my next wheel will have suspension. There’s no going back now.
Please measure and post some of the measurements from pedal to the bottom of the "Kuji" pad on the s18 and then to the bottom and top of the top rubbery pad on the v11. I found the different riders' comments on his ankle rubbing on the s18 and her comments on the v11 and her knees. I think a lot of us are not going to have the opportunity to test ride before we ride and the fit could be an issue. I'm in Brookings. OR now and I've seen an old Segway and nothing else around here and definitely no shops anywhere near here. I'm still on my 16s but I have one of these on my lust list. Duff, Chooch, Chang, Ian, and Hsiang your opinions have been very helpful and I hope Marty gets a chance to review both soon too.
Fallus LaThug pre production had adjustable pedal height and post is supposed to be more adjustment but that still does not give the distance from either height to the bottom of the pad
Hey chooch nice to see you again .switched providers and I lost you for a while . I'm glad I got you back. Colorado, is that where you're based? Say ,one thing I never hear is prices on these devices. Could you address this?
Ive been thinking forever about which suspensdion wheel I want. I do a lot of trail riding in the forrest. Also I have MSX, so def Ill get the S18 - Chooch videos are very inspiring. Im after jumps, fastmoves on MTB trails. Im not a speedster I want bumpy forrest riding, street riding is boring. Ideallyu Id get the Inmotion and the KS.... But Im not that rich.... Seems the V11 is Urban and practical while S18 is for off Roading fun.
For me, i choose the Sherman for cruising... Next year. S18 still appeals to me as a replacement for my extreme pedal angle modded Tesla though. Will probably give it till 2022 to make sure that motor wires don't break from being constantly twisted via suspension before i jump the bullet on s20?. till then Tesla will be my light weight wheel in the woods and next year Sherman will be my daily driver. Hopefully till the year of ?S20? Battery grew to say @ least 2KWh without adding weight...graphene batteries anyone :)
I think these are the wristguards David uses: www.amazon.com/dp/B00EZBSY6W/?tag=atlas0ac-20 He lists a few in his comparison chart (in the "Gear Recommendations" tab) -- bit.ly/314fpou
S18 is more versatile for tackling many situations such as a Huge pothole at night or a speed bump you had no idea about that will send you to the ER or worse.
Thanks Jimmy! If you could only have the Nikola or V11 which one would you choose? I can pick-up a Nikola next week but the Sherman, MSP and V11 are all late August into September. I would miss out on the rest of summer riding if I went with my other choices. I am pretty sure I would be happy with the Nikola and I would have it next week. I currently ride around with the MTen3 and need something bigger and faster to help improve my skills. I also want to participate in some 25 mile plus group rides in San Francisco so the S18 is definitely out. Alien Rides had the S18 out on the BAESK8 group ride and it didn't come close to finishing the 25 miles and none of the experienced riders really enjoyed the ride as it is not stable at speed.
Interesting to hear but I agree with the evaluation. The S18 is not a speed or long range street wheel. I like my Nikola. I'm sure you've seen my review on my website. My son doesn't like it because he says it's too fat. He's actually saving up to get a V11 right now. In an ideal world you'd try before you buy. Maybe someone in the BAESK8 group could let you try their wheel out. Good luck!
@@freshlycharged Thanks for the feedback Jimmy! I wanted to hear your thoughts as few have a V11 and a Nikola to directly compare like you did. I believe I would be fine with the wideness of the Nikola. Anything is wider than an MTen3 which is my current frame of reference. I probably should have tried the S18 and Sherman when Alien Rides had them out but I had just started EUC riding at that time. I didn't want to crash on mounting. Unfortunately the formal group rides are suspended until COVID-19 is better under control. I was going to take this opportunity to get better on an EUC so I take the next group ride on an EUC instead of a power scooter. V11, Nikola, MSP and Sherman would make a solid choice so I think I just need to bite the bullet :)
@@RCDevotee i have the nikola 100v and patiently waiting for the v11 (got my pre order in late so probably a long ish wait D:) what I can say is that the nikola is a pleasure to ride! especially with the 100v, I feel like there is no end to the power when I'm riding. Came from a KS18XL and constantly had to hold back because the hard tiltback at top speed was unnerving. with the nikola, I just keep pushing and it keeps up! the thing though about the nikola is as Jimmy mentioned, it is a very wide wheel and takes getting used to. for me though, the wideness became something i appreciated because it was easier to grip with my legs to accelerate and brake. just my 2 cents!
@@dannyboy200 Thanks Daniel for providing your great feedback. After finally dropping my desire to get the Sherman as my second wheel I went with the MSP. It was between the MSP and the Nikola and I went with the MSP as the vast majority of the riders in my group ride MSX, MSP or Monster EUCs because many enjoy the speed and we need the range and power for San Francisco hills. At least a few of them are getting the Sherman. I know I would have loved the Nikola but I just wanted to have a little bigger wheel for long range cruising. The V11 was also on my radar but I want to get used to the ride of a non-suspension power EUC. Have fun out there!
@@RCDevotee awesome! whats great these days is that you can't really go wrong with many of the wheels that are out now. enjoy the msp! i was considering that wheel too but I needed a wheel now and couldn't wait for the next batch of msp!
Should or could put neodymium magnetic pedals and or shoe like. Crampons style amount of magnets would be according to amount of pull you want, if pedals are magnetic a strip attached to sides of shoe would give good traction placement they hold pretty well, like all could do bicycle, board, and so on
S18 is by far the much better looking wheel which has a sporty and futuristic look to it. The V11 is like Grandpas old Buick, comfortable, ugly, but will get you from point A to point B.
After you add jump pads to the v11, it becomes a COMPLETELY different wheel. As more of a jumper/offroad rider, id go v11 all the way! It has so much more potential than the s18
I asked this on another thread as well. I’m 5’3” and wonder if someone of my height will be ok on the V11 vs the S18. This video raised that concern for me again. Any thoughts?
Hi. I'm the chick in the video. I am 5'4" ... I found the placement of the wheel on my leg for the S18 to be more comfortable than the V11 (even though I liked riding the V11 much more). The V11 was quite tall, and ended up hitting me on the boney part of the side of my knee (not painful, but not exactly comfortable), whereas the S18 hit me just below my knee on my upper calf/lower-leg, which was more comfortable or at least more familiar to what I ride now (V8 & V10F).
Kate Hedin So... If it was your money (probably is)... Sounds like you are saying that in spite of the 18 being a bit more comfortable/familiar you would still go with the V11? Do I have that right?
@@steveharris3627 , You know, I'm not sure. ... After trying both of them out (the video above), I was thinking that the S18 would be a better option for me--based mostly on the size/ergonomics for my height, and also because it was lighter than the V11, which is beneficial for someone with a small frame/weight like me. But then I learned that the production/consumer version of the S18 is going to be heavier than this prototype, making the 2 wheels pretty much the same weight. So, now I'm back to being unsure. ... Luckily for me, David (also in the video) is getting the V11, so I'll get to try it more and see how I feel about over a period of time.
S18 for cruising with better suspension, still safer than V11... Most of S18 don't do heavy jumps, but parks and trails, and streets (still comfi ride)
@Ribeye Robert D this review is really helpful. They give a nice orientation to the choices you have by classifying those wheels. But in the end you must really test them to know, because you could do road on the s18 on tricks on the v11, but they perform differently. It's up to what you like. I personally will do road on the s18 on my way to work but also wild ride it on the weekends and I need my wheel to be able handle my rider's needs (roller blade, hockey, downhill biking... I know what I want and that I could be extreme some times), and crazy ideas. There's my comment about this review
It appears that King Song sent preproduction wheels that were of superior build quality to bloggers, UTubers, other content creators. Wheels being sent to customers, at least in the U.S., have had major issues, and it does not appear that King Song is responding. For more information, see forum.electricunicycle.org/
I’ve been watching vids for a couple months and I’m more confused than ever. People say don’t get suspension cause it gives you bad habits for first timer. But I’m an older in my 40’s and 200lbs 5’7 and looking to get my first wheel. I will be going offroad often as place is semi offgrid and dirt roads.
O yeah, one other question. What kind of camera is that you use. Could you do a piece on accessories ? Helmets, pads, shoes and such. O, and where to purchase.
You guys should do a comedy skit like Cheech & Chong! LOL! Anyway, after watching the video, I think my next suspension wheel will be the V11. I ride mostly paved bike trails, so the suspension will be great as the wheel rolls over each pavement section. At high speeds on my V10F, I feel those bumps between pavement section sort of introduce wobbles at high speeds because each section are of different heights. I'm hoping there will be a V11F by next spring.
having hard time deciding whether I should get the v11 or the kingsong18xl. it would be my first EUC so not sure. if any one has some input and also comment how ur experience on buying ur first EUC.
Jimmy Chang I agree. Owning and riding both, the Euc is my go to now. Ow is fun for its traits but not euc fun.. I just added emtb to my stable so who knows, but that’s a diff story. Keep the great content flowing.
Hey Jimmy, I have a question for you about the pressure pad on the XR. I recently got my XR about a week ago and for some reason, every time i try to get on my board it doesn't want to activate right away. I'd bring the board up right but then the nose would just hit the ground and then I'd have to bring up right again and then it would activate after a couple of tries. It tends to deactivate when I'm going slow as well (around 1-2km/h), even when I'm just standing on the board. It just deactivates even though i'm not lifting my heel. Could it be that I'm wearing insoles and it causing a flimsy connection? That's my only guess so far. I don't think it's my weight because I weigh 132lbs so it should activate no problem. I tried my brothers pint to see if it'll do the same and it works just fine. Can you please answer this question for me because I don't want the board to deactivate while I'm riding one day. Thanks!
After all the posts I read about FM hardware issues, I'm betting you have a defective unit. I'm on a plus, and it seems bulletproof. I guess it was made when FM still cared. I was hoping to eventually upgrade my OW, but now I tug hink I'll keep my plus and add a EUC.
Chooch and Chang should be a regularly scheduled show
That shyt was grand. Love it. I would watch if was a show.
genius😂
Vache! We need to ride again some time!
I’m all for it! Chooch & Chang!!
Let’s start a campaign!!!
Yes ...plz!!
“It’s pretty cool to see these companies are listening and responding to the public” ..... meanwhile Future Motion invited me out to test the pint before launch and didn’t make ONE change before shipping the product. If anything they changed the firmware adding a bunch more pushback than Bodhi and I experienced while testing. WTF.
I’m convinced Onewheel (Future Motion) will start to really loose market share and sales if they don’t make significant changes to the way they do business. Either that or come out with a significant upgrade next year. Just a new battery isn’t enough with all the 3rd party innovation going on now. (Chibatterysystems).
slydogstroh ya they’ve been having a lot of problems, and why would anyone want to get a one wheel from a company that doesn’t listen when you can get these amazing EUCs from companies that care
Really funny how I was told "With onewheels you pay for build quality and customer service" meanwhile new boards keep getting delivered dead-on-arrival with no choice but to ship it back cause 3rd party repairs aren't allowed. Then you've got ewheels who have replaced people's entire wheels due to manufacturing defects and who sell every part for every wheel they stock if you need them, plus same day response by their support. Onewheels were cool at one point but now the specs are dated and they are miles behind the safety warnings of the EUC (I mean at one point they had an official speed leader board....for a device that relies on self balancing...) Also, I absolutely love your content.
slydogstroh one wheel seems to be failing as a company. They became too main stream and don’t listen to those who are riding them.
slydogstroh lose
I agree with everything else you said.
It's cool that these wheels have their own unique style and personality. They're not just generic appliances with varying levels of battery power, they're expressive vehicles with character, much like cars or motorcycles.
I know I'm tardy to the party, but I fell in love with my first onewheel last year (after seeing one in public and watching some of ur videos), and bought some more used ones, but after learning more about FM, I sold all of my OWs that had pairing, leaving me a 4209 and a v1, and got myself a v11 to diversify my portfolio a bit.
I hope you realize how impactful your "why I'm sending back my GT" video has been. VESC is getting enormous attention and I've seen quite a few people canceling their GT orders and citing your video as the reason.
Love what you do, Jimmy.
Preordered my v11 yesterday. You guys and duf have completely changed my mind about suspension.
Nice comparison vid thanks Jimmy. Between you and Marty, I’m going with the V11. At 63 years under my belt I’ve mellowed out quite a bit and realized that my body (despite the power of my mind) doesn’t bounce back as quickly as it use to, so range, smoothness and stability is what I’m looking for. I’ll cheer on those rad maneuvers the young whipper-snappers are pulling off. I’ll keep my Onewheel to get that snowboarding vibe out of my system whenever needed, but as a hardcore skier I think the V11 will be a great dry land trainer.
I would pick the s18, and ride around wearing a full star wars stormtrooper suit. That would be soooooo cool. 😎
Wheeltrooper
I would love to see that!
Good job on the review
EXACTLY... king song is for looks, V11 is quality
@@ElijahIan check out hsiangs YT video on the fall he took with the v11 and you might just revert that thought ;-) ruclips.net/video/R7i1CrO1I1I/видео.html
I am looking forward to buying a pint and I literally watch your videos 10 times a day. I love how you work with your family and how they get involved in this electric vehicle fun. You are the best guide for beginners and although I don’t have my one wheel yet, I am still getting ready with all your awesome tutorials!
I've ordered the S18, despite I'm a cruiser rider. I trust Kingsong much better in general, and this cantilever suspension system is for me the best choice for those machines.
Hello, what do you think about this wheel now? No problem ,? How many miles ? 🙂
@@hakimlehaineux very good machine. About 10000 kms, no problem at all
@@DJChrismaz thank you christophe 🙂
Hi Jimmy, the V 11 looks more comfortable and looks like it is a stronger EUC with more batteries. It also looks like it would be more durable and have less parts that are apt to break. I'm more of a cruiser and I would take the V 11. That kickstand is cool too.
Hey you’re here too!
@@nhatphan1087 Lol, this was an old one, funny how things have changed over time.
V11 would probably be it for me. I'm on pavement the majority of the time. Currently have an Msuper V3s+ 1300wh. The V11 would be more of a straight upgrade. About the same top speed, maybe slightly more power, a slightly larger battery, suspension, higher/more comfortable seated riding, etc. S18 is great for what it is, but I wouldn't want to pay that for a lower top speed and smaller battery than what I have (but again, I'm not looking for as much of the off roader).
I think my ideal wheel would be something like an MSX/MSP but with a bit of suspension (like give the V11 suspension to an MSP). At least a 40mph top speed for some head room, good MSP torque for hill climbing, etc (although I'm honestly not really sure exactly how they all compare in terms of torque between the V3s+, V11, and MSP, but I'm assuming least to most in the order I listed them)
I've been following this trend for a few weeks now and am interested in getting started with one of 3 models:
Ks-S18
I-V11
V-Sherman
I wish the sherman had a suspension of would make it first choice. $ prohibitive a tad, full improved weather proofing and suspension would make cost easier...
S18 with ots lowest range is enough to count it out, although aesthetically it's the most attractive by far.
The v11, seems like an innovative design that allows for customization, it could be integrated into the Sherman and that would be savage. Sherman Savage... See I did the brain work, the mother copanies just have to get on it.
Due to the price prohibitions, I unfortunately will likely have to wait 5+ years before I can even own an EUC, I just prey this trend grows in a safe and majestic manner so as to not cause it's own extinction b4 then.
Cheers 🍻
You’re really going to wait 5+ years?! I can barely wait 1 more year
In 5 years, I'll be reviewing the EUCs with no wheels.
This was the top meet up of 2020.
I love crossovers.
V11 for me. I just want speedy and smooth riding. No off road or jumping.
But I will still add sticky cushion headphones pads. Just for gripping
And a seat. Buy or DIY.
Edit
But...nothing wrong with getting both. Still learning on my V5f right now. Still searching for the right shoes+insoles.
I'm convinced suspension EUC is my next wheel (currently using the Nikola 100V). Though i'd love to off-road one day, I just don't do it enough to justify buying a wheel more oriented towards offroading just yet. I'm leaning towards the V11 because as soon as I saw how tall it was, I immediately saw that it could be the most comfortable seated riding ever! Talk about comfortable cruising. Hopefully, someone will figure out how to add pads comfortably to the V11 and I could use it for off roading too one day
This is the only youtuber that knows how to review any product properly
S18 for me, i am biased towards Kingsong and i love the unique/cool look of it.
I can't blame you. Best looking EUC ever.
Jimmy,
The review was real and awesome!!!
But gotta say that the “Chooch and Chang” was priceless!!! Hahahahaha
Just too bad 90% of current riders will not get it as we’re probably from another generation.
Ride on!
For the 90% that don't get the Chooch and Chang reference, they will just think it's a cool name that I came up with. Wins all around.
The way chooch reacted I don't think he got the reference....
The V11 seems like the all-around better wheel, but damn the S18 just *looks* good.
@@johchadowall purpose? Not for everyone by a long shot
Love the collaboration between you and chooch
It bothers me that you guys are making me want to get an EUC. I'm in Denver too, so even more tempting knowing that there are folks in the area who share the hobby.
Come ride with us sometime! :D
I like the fact that the Kingsong suspension takes the wear and tear off of not just your knees but the entire machine, which seems like it should help to extend the machine's life as well as the life of your knees.
Nice briefing!!! I think Rebound Dampening is the most important feature for EUCs safety, before all the other stuff about suspension. Once compressed you don't want to immediately be pushed up, you want the stretching to happen in slow motion to keep control of your wheel. Nobody mentions this on the suspension videos, so I wonder if these 2 wheels don't have this feature? If so, an after market shock on the S18 could make a big difference!
Having both would be gr8. Different strokes for different folks.😊
I have my deposit on the V11. 👍
Thanks for the videos. 👌
Nice 👍
Did u get it?
I remember when Jimmy was strictly Onewheel before he discovered the EUC.
Chooch’s control is impeccable. Also - Chooch and Chang 😂
He's inspired me to learn how to ride backwards!
These are cool. Glad I got to see someone a trust to do a comparison video. Nice people. Sweet vid. I’m looking more into the v11 and maybe even sell the one wheel. Maybe.
Thanks for watching! Always great to hear from you. I look forward to the next Onewheel.
Jimmy Chang I’m not sure I’m getting a second. I think I may sell mine and get a v11.
Great review. I'm a bit late to the conversation, but since both units are still being made/sold, I'd go with the V11. Custom motor, better braking, more power, range, top speed, much better headlight, seat available, quality build. I don't plan on going off road, so the S18 doesn't seem to offer anything for the street cruiser beyond the shock. Seems very open too, to dirt, water.
Awesome video Jimmy! Fun day!
Yes it was!
Thanks for the video. I just put my deposit in for the V11. It's do to arrive in port on March 3rd. I will let you know when it's in hand. EUC for Life!
Great collaboration video Jimmy
Thanks Marty. Means a lot coming from you!
Crazy to look back at first gen suspension wheels and see how far the EUC has come in 4 years
I preordered the S18 and I can't wait to get i! I do a lot of trail riding and various terrain on my OW so I plan to do the same with the S18. I will just add the optional 780WH external battery that no one is really talking about to deal with the range situation if it arises.
Probably because it's kinda annoying to put a big battery in your backpack
the external battery is just an extra battery pack. youd have to switch it out or attach it somehow
Ya, I wont miind the extra weight. I m150 lb rider. I have to carry the GIANT hypercharger with my Onewheel and it is literally a brick. Heavy AF too. The external battery will be no issue for me since I carry a backpack with the brick charger and at least 1L of water. I won't notice a difference and if I do it will be negligible. Well worth it for the butter suspension.
I weigh 120, I think I'll get a much higer range than most so I'm not too worried about the extra battery. I felt the S18 was the best choice for my first wheel, the next will be a faster one.
@@danielv9565 but you could get a v11. And it would be so much better
This was a great video, more Chooch and Chang please.
It's super helpful to compare these two. Well done Chooch and Chang! (Make this a thing please)
Cancelled my V11 order and never considered a Kingsong. After getting my Veteran Sherman, I cant picture ever riding the V11 after effortlessly hitting 45 mph on it. I will be waiting for the Gotway EX.
I'm finally happy with my S18... it was a PITA getting it from the box to mile 20 working... mile 25 shock adjusted nice. I especially like its lighter weight (grab and take in the car)... and its range is enough for me (44 miles = over 2 hours averaging 20 mph). I do need to get a dual-use street/trail tire on it.
I'm waiting for my S18! seeing it through Chooch & your video, the anticipation is growing out of control! I ride multi-terrain all day, everyday so my only concern on S18 is how long the battery would last because I do a really hard 20 mile run on weekends and even w/ my MSX, I'm down to half by the time I get back. I'll probably stay on top speed when I'm on road so it will drain the battery fast which is a concern because by the time I get to a trail on one of these, I might be low on battery to pull any fast trail rides like Chooch...and none of the pre-production improvements include battery upgrade or speed upgrade like V11. Crap.
Look forward to hear what you think!
@@freshlycharged seems like it's two totally diff. approach to attaching shock and after seeing all the videos, I have to say I want BOTH! Lol I can totally see myself riding both, each for diff. purpose. That would be ideal.😆
Great video Jimmy! It was really good to see you and Chooch together. And as a guy who comes from the era of Cheech and Chong the idea of Chooch and Chang is hilarious LOL
Glad you enjoyed it! I figured a few people would get the reference. ;)
Being somewhat of a fan of bright flashlights I'd go with the v11 for the headlight alone.
Just order my V11, can’t wait!
It seems to me after hearing the riders views on these machines the biggest problems are centered around ergonomics. It would be cool if they made them in sizes that corresponds with different heights or a way to make the wheels figment anatomical and ergonomically fitting. Great reviews.
There are some wheels for child, look at 14 inc models. But for adult riders its depend not on your body, but on your riding level, budget and goals. And even though - there are the new s22 wheel if someone need bigger s18.
hey Jimmy, I pulled the trigger and my used onewheel plus is arriving tomorrow. got a great deal in this facebook onewheel market group. thanks for your videos. I think I caught up on most of them and it was very helpful and got me hooked. lookin forward to joining that float life
Nice!!
welcome to the OW float life! Congrats! OW is a gate drug that will get you hooked into electric ride-ables...cheers to your new beginning!
@@1floatwheel thanks! just went out for my first ride and MAN! feels like snowboarding on concrete. my plus ran out of juice half mile from my house and did the was of shame. i definitely got my arm work out in for the day. looking forward to some extender upgrades.
@@DavidHLee a word of advice...always get slick tires if you want to do tricks. best grip: vicious grip tape, best long distance pad: Kush pad. just wanted to save you from search there. & if you have time to kill, come watch what I ride on my channel! Thanks & Enjoy!
@@1floatwheel cool thanks for the tips. i'm more of a laid back type of rider though. too old for tricks now haha. anyway. yeah i'll check it out
now i’m curious how that seat accessory will turn out. thanks for sharing.
there’s a video of someone at a chinese airport using his luggage as a seat and propelling himself through the airport and travel areas with an euc. if allowed for travel, that would save time and be more comfortable during the long distances.
too bad the batteries on these things are too big to fly with.
I'm in the market for my 1st euc. I'm more of a cruiser than a jumper but damn, the S18 looks freaking good. Still the best looking euc to date in my opinion.
Every video points me to V11, looks so nice and comfy, put some Clark Pads and some of those waffle pedals they're working on to solve the grip issue and its golden, maybe its a good thing I can't afford it yet, couple more months and they should have those done and maybe be an option to buy pre-installed with the seat as well, cozy and capable, the KS looks beautiful as well, chefs kiss to the aesthetics but I'm not really much of an off roader type.
Haha I bought my first wheel, a KS 16S, using Chooch's link as well!!
Nice!!
This video helped me to make the choice ! Thanks
Glad I could help!
Love the content from both you and chooch! I was first introduced to euc’s from the video you did on the one wheel where you hopped off it and pulled, I think it was, a gotway mten out of your backpack and started riding. Thought that was so cool. I then did more research and ran into chooch videos. I ended up buying a 84v msx. Im curious what type of batteries are in each ( size and brand) if you guys know off hand. For my next wheel will have suspension. There’s no going back now.
Please measure and post some of the measurements from pedal to the bottom of the "Kuji" pad on the s18 and then to the bottom and top of the top rubbery pad on the v11. I found the different riders' comments on his ankle rubbing on the s18 and her comments on the v11 and her knees. I think a lot of us are not going to have the opportunity to test ride before we ride and the fit could be an issue. I'm in Brookings. OR now and I've seen an old Segway and nothing else around here and definitely no shops anywhere near here. I'm still on my 16s but I have one of these on my lust list. Duff, Chooch, Chang, Ian, and Hsiang your opinions have been very helpful and I hope Marty gets a chance to review both soon too.
pedals on the s18 have 2cm height adjustment so this is not longer a valid complaining point
Fallus LaThug pre production had adjustable pedal height and post is supposed to be more adjustment but that still does not give the distance from either height to the bottom of the pad
@@flemball797 it's supposed to give your feet room to fit under the pads since it was designed featuring kuji. or i did'nt get it
Fallus LaThug it’s suppose to nit everyone has different lengths lower and upper legs ad well as build.
You might need more up or down or in between
Chooch And Chang!
Quality right here!!
I think I need a EUC.... ;)
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Nice vid! Still looking forward to my s18 >:)
Good choice!
Awesome video! Even though these wheels I do not prefer, they both are great wheels. I prefer the Sherman all because of its durability, and range.
Right on
Hey chooch nice to see you again .switched providers and I lost you for a while . I'm glad I got you back. Colorado, is that where you're based? Say ,one thing I never hear is prices on these devices. Could you address this?
Try this for info and pricing on the wheels... eucguide.com/euc-comparison-tool/
Exactly the info I wanted thx friends.
Ive been thinking forever about which suspensdion wheel I want. I do a lot of trail riding in the forrest. Also I have MSX, so def Ill get the S18 - Chooch videos are very inspiring. Im after jumps, fastmoves on MTB trails. Im not a speedster I want bumpy forrest riding, street riding is boring. Ideallyu Id get the Inmotion and the KS.... But Im not that rich.... Seems the V11 is Urban and practical while S18 is for off Roading fun.
I really liked this review! 🙌
Glad you liked it!
Manufacturers are still not making comfort a priority. The old Ninebot one E+ nailed it years back!
Awesome t-shirt 🤓
For me, i choose the Sherman for cruising... Next year. S18 still appeals to me as a replacement for my extreme pedal angle modded Tesla though. Will probably give it till 2022 to make sure that motor wires don't break from being constantly twisted via suspension before i jump the bullet on s20?. till then Tesla will be my light weight wheel in the woods and next year Sherman will be my daily driver. Hopefully till the year of ?S20? Battery grew to say @ least 2KWh without adding weight...graphene batteries anyone :)
Great video, Jimmy. I'm curious which full face helmet are you rocking? And what are those massive wrist protection gloves your friend has?
Check link in the description for my safety gear. I can ask David what those wrist guards are. I remember he said he loves them.
I think these are the wristguards David uses: www.amazon.com/dp/B00EZBSY6W/?tag=atlas0ac-20
He lists a few in his comparison chart (in the "Gear Recommendations" tab) -- bit.ly/314fpou
S18 is more versatile for tackling many situations such as a Huge pothole at night or a speed bump you had no idea about that will send you to the ER or worse.
Thanks Jimmy! If you could only have the Nikola or V11 which one would you choose? I can pick-up a Nikola next week but the Sherman, MSP and V11 are all late August into September. I would miss out on the rest of summer riding if I went with my other choices. I am pretty sure I would be happy with the Nikola and I would have it next week. I currently ride around with the MTen3 and need something bigger and faster to help improve my skills. I also want to participate in some 25 mile plus group rides in San Francisco so the S18 is definitely out. Alien Rides had the S18 out on the BAESK8 group ride and it didn't come close to finishing the 25 miles and none of the experienced riders really enjoyed the ride as it is not stable at speed.
Interesting to hear but I agree with the evaluation. The S18 is not a speed or long range street wheel. I like my Nikola. I'm sure you've seen my review on my website. My son doesn't like it because he says it's too fat. He's actually saving up to get a V11 right now. In an ideal world you'd try before you buy. Maybe someone in the BAESK8 group could let you try their wheel out. Good luck!
@@freshlycharged Thanks for the feedback Jimmy! I wanted to hear your thoughts as few have a V11 and a Nikola to directly compare like you did. I believe I would be fine with the wideness of the Nikola. Anything is wider than an MTen3 which is my current frame of reference. I probably should have tried the S18 and Sherman when Alien Rides had them out but I had just started EUC riding at that time. I didn't want to crash on mounting. Unfortunately the formal group rides are suspended until COVID-19 is better under control. I was going to take this opportunity to get better on an EUC so I take the next group ride on an EUC instead of a power scooter. V11, Nikola, MSP and Sherman would make a solid choice so I think I just need to bite the bullet :)
@@RCDevotee i have the nikola 100v and patiently waiting for the v11 (got my pre order in late so probably a long ish wait D:) what I can say is that the nikola is a pleasure to ride! especially with the 100v, I feel like there is no end to the power when I'm riding. Came from a KS18XL and constantly had to hold back because the hard tiltback at top speed was unnerving. with the nikola, I just keep pushing and it keeps up! the thing though about the nikola is as Jimmy mentioned, it is a very wide wheel and takes getting used to. for me though, the wideness became something i appreciated because it was easier to grip with my legs to accelerate and brake. just my 2 cents!
@@dannyboy200 Thanks Daniel for providing your great feedback. After finally dropping my desire to get the Sherman as my second wheel I went with the MSP. It was between the MSP and the Nikola and I went with the MSP as the vast majority of the riders in my group ride MSX, MSP or Monster EUCs because many enjoy the speed and we need the range and power for San Francisco hills. At least a few of them are getting the Sherman. I know I would have loved the Nikola but I just wanted to have a little bigger wheel for long range cruising. The V11 was also on my radar but I want to get used to the ride of a non-suspension power EUC. Have fun out there!
@@RCDevotee awesome! whats great these days is that you can't really go wrong with many of the wheels that are out now. enjoy the msp! i was considering that wheel too but I needed a wheel now and couldn't wait for the next batch of msp!
Jimmy be teasing the possibility of buying that gotway suspension euc next😎
Hey love your channel
Should or could put neodymium magnetic pedals and or shoe like. Crampons style amount of magnets would be according to amount of pull you want, if pedals are magnetic a strip attached to sides of shoe would give good traction placement they hold pretty well, like all could do bicycle, board, and so on
Hi... clear video what are u using to record and what microphone system .: please leave links
It's all in this video description... ruclips.net/video/WbpcDkaqxc8/видео.html
S18 is by far the much better looking wheel which has a sporty and futuristic look to it. The V11 is like Grandpas old Buick, comfortable, ugly, but will get you from point A to point B.
Woah I wouldn't call it ugly
@@moonlad3835 It could have been worse. I could have called it hideous. LOL
Majestic!
After you add jump pads to the v11, it becomes a COMPLETELY different wheel. As more of a jumper/offroad rider, id go v11 all the way! It has so much more potential than the s18
ooooh. I want to see footage of what you can do on that V11!
@@freshlycharged i gotchu buddy ;)
Relaxterbation aka Law I can’t wait 😆
Love those TSG helmets!
S18 for me. More fun less weight
Only ~5lbs difference now with the final production version of the S18.
@@Andorski ok I only know the pre production model
I do think we need “beginner” suspension EUCs that are both cheaper and easier to maintain.
I asked this on another thread as well. I’m 5’3” and wonder if someone of my height will be ok on the V11 vs the S18. This video raised that concern for me again. Any thoughts?
Hi. I'm the chick in the video. I am 5'4" ... I found the placement of the wheel on my leg for the S18 to be more comfortable than the V11 (even though I liked riding the V11 much more). The V11 was quite tall, and ended up hitting me on the boney part of the side of my knee (not painful, but not exactly comfortable), whereas the S18 hit me just below my knee on my upper calf/lower-leg, which was more comfortable or at least more familiar to what I ride now (V8 & V10F).
Kate Hedin So... If it was your money (probably is)... Sounds like you are saying that in spite of the 18 being a bit more comfortable/familiar you would still go with the V11? Do I have that right?
@@steveharris3627 , You know, I'm not sure. ... After trying both of them out (the video above), I was thinking that the S18 would be a better option for me--based mostly on the size/ergonomics for my height, and also because it was lighter than the V11, which is beneficial for someone with a small frame/weight like me. But then I learned that the production/consumer version of the S18 is going to be heavier than this prototype, making the 2 wheels pretty much the same weight. So, now I'm back to being unsure. ... Luckily for me, David (also in the video) is getting the V11, so I'll get to try it more and see how I feel about over a period of time.
Does the pedal height on the V11 make it a lot more difficult to ride compared to an 18L or 18XL?
S18 for cruising with better suspension, still safer than V11...
Most of S18 don't do heavy jumps, but parks and trails, and streets (still comfi ride)
liked this videos before even watching it
@Ribeye Robert D choosh is really impartial so i knew the review was gonna be good ;)
I liked this comment before even reading it ;)
@Ribeye Robert D this review is really helpful. They give a nice orientation to the choices you have by classifying those wheels. But in the end you must really test them to know, because you could do road on the s18 on tricks on the v11, but they perform differently. It's up to what you like. I personally will do road on the s18 on my way to work but also wild ride it on the weekends and I need my wheel to be able handle my rider's needs (roller blade, hockey, downhill biking... I know what I want and that I could be extreme some times), and crazy ideas. There's my comment about this review
Good video!
CC Ride. Chooch and Chang. Nice.
Oh yeah!
It appears that King Song sent preproduction wheels that were of superior build quality to bloggers, UTubers, other content creators. Wheels being sent to customers, at least in the U.S., have had major issues, and it does not appear that King Song is responding.
For more information, see forum.electricunicycle.org/
I’ve been watching vids for a couple months and I’m more confused than ever. People say don’t get suspension cause it gives you bad habits for first timer. But I’m an older in my 40’s and 200lbs 5’7 and looking to get my first wheel. I will be going offroad often as place is semi offgrid and dirt roads.
O yeah, one other question. What kind of camera is that you use. Could you do a piece on accessories ? Helmets, pads, shoes and such. O, and where to purchase.
This may help... eucguide.com/the-best-safety-gear-for-onewheel-euc-is-this/
The white definitely has a Star Wars stormtrooper look... 🙂
What foam are they putting on the EUC to help with scratching? I haven't been able to find something similar to use.
You guys should do a comedy skit like Cheech & Chong! LOL! Anyway, after watching the video, I think my next suspension wheel will be the V11. I ride mostly paved bike trails, so the suspension will be great as the wheel rolls over each pavement section. At high speeds on my V10F, I feel those bumps between pavement section sort of introduce wobbles at high speeds because each section are of different heights. I'm hoping there will be a V11F by next spring.
What are Chooch's shoes?
Why do i like this soo much?
Wonder if putting pedals allot like what they have on fixed gear bikes that lock your feet in and are still easy to take them out if you need to
Do you recommend a suspension model for a beginner?
Best to learn how to ride on a non suspension wheel.
having hard time deciding whether I should get the v11 or the kingsong18xl. it would be my first EUC so not sure. if any one has some input and also comment how ur experience on buying ur first EUC.
Did they change the ankle thing in the final version?
Wow,y'all got together cool
The girl looks ergonomically stable and balanced
Do either of these have easily removable batteries or will they be needed to be taken in for a re-placement to happen?
What was the top pressure set at on the V11
Preproduction wheel does not have that feature. The production version will be even better.
I dont wanna ride too fast and prefer not to heavy euc, so my choice is s18.
Jimmy, which do you prefer, euc or onewheel? If you had to pick one?
EUC.
Jimmy Chang I agree. Owning and riding both, the Euc is my go to now. Ow is fun for its traits but not euc fun.. I just added emtb to my stable so who knows, but that’s a diff story. Keep the great content flowing.
Hi. Noob question. Does height of the rider matter with either of these ? I’m 6’3” and am researching to see which one will be my first EUC
Hey Jimmy, I have a question for you about the pressure pad on the XR. I recently got my XR about a week ago and for some reason, every time i try to get on my board it doesn't want to activate right away. I'd bring the board up right but then the nose would just hit the ground and then I'd have to bring up right again and then it would activate after a couple of tries. It tends to deactivate when I'm going slow as well (around 1-2km/h), even when I'm just standing on the board. It just deactivates even though i'm not lifting my heel. Could it be that I'm wearing insoles and it causing a flimsy connection? That's my only guess so far. I don't think it's my weight because I weigh 132lbs so it should activate no problem. I tried my brothers pint to see if it'll do the same and it works just fine. Can you please answer this question for me because I don't want the board to deactivate while I'm riding one day. Thanks!
After all the posts I read about FM hardware issues, I'm betting you have a defective unit. I'm on a plus, and it seems bulletproof. I guess it was made when FM still cared. I was hoping to eventually upgrade my OW, but now I tug hink I'll keep my plus and add a EUC.
Free Nitrogen Air for your tire, go to any costco tire center. Im sure they get a kick out of just seeing this.