InMotion V11 vs King-Song S18
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Thank you for working hard to bring us so much good s18 & v11 content!
btw the charging port cover of V11 is always popped out in your videos. design flaw?
I forget to pop it in after charging 😅
Dude, I was thrilled and tense when I looked at you riding V11 and your laces under the wheel (11:30)
Yes, it was scary. With one hand it's still possible to ride, but if both hands are broken...
I got the S18 first, and then yesterday i got the V11. Adam's observations are spot-on especially the voltage sag of the S18, which I can feel even if i ride conservatively.
I’m wondering how much better the voltage sag is with the molicel p42a 903 watt hour battery that comes in the wheel now ?
The fact that you ride 600km more on the v11 says it all :) thanks for the video.
Like Jimmy Chang said...the V11 is majestic!!
Great video, i wait for delivery of my V11 ! Thanks a lot for your very clear review, you give me what i need for make my choice ! Don’t change nothing !
Dayum. The V11 is really like "the perfect" wheel that does it all good enough. For non-extreme use. It's like a Volvo.
Inmotion: let's make a good wheel, and add suspension to it
KingSong: let's make a good suspension, and add wheel to it.
Right on! I have an S18. I'd like to replace its motor, controller, and some other parts of the Sherman. :D
Ubeogesh right on :-) I mean.. just that!
So what is better? Better wheel or better Suspension? Learning here.. Thanks
@@PaulRayProductions Depends on how you intend to use it. S18 is better off road and more curb-shots and pot holes. And range on S18 is good enough for all the riding I do... like I would have to ride 20-30mph for 2 hours to drain it.
I thought the v11 is ugly but now i think they meant it to look like a saddle!
The v11 it looks so much better in real life. When more i look to it all other wheels look ugly against it because of the built quality
75%-0% on just voltage sag?! And then the wheel cuts out?! How did noooooo one else mention this until now?? This is why I watch your channel almost exclusively now for pev news. Thanks for keepin it real!
Perhaps you should watch the „EUCO“ channel review with their v11/s18 comparison, too!
On THEIR review, the V11 cutout!!...and it actually REAL cutout, not like here, where adam still cpuld manage to stay upright with the S18!
When you lean in like CRAZY, actually you are able to Cutout EVERY Euc, thats just the nature of Eucs, when the battery can not give anymore amps and is on the end, its finish! And dont let yourself get influenced on comments like „just production“ wheels....None of the both brands is able to change the general physical behaviour of the wheels/batteries....You lean in TOOO much...you cutOut...thats just a fact.
yea...i cant see that other reviewers wouldn't mention it or missed it. He might have gotten bad electronics or the way he rides overpower the motor very often.
@@ullle66 I don't think you've ridden the 100v msp...
Ginger On Wheels You might not believe it, but i did, i owned about 12 EUCs in the last 4,5 years. 100v will not help you anything in terms of torque overpowering, best example is the 1800wh GW , which also is ONLY 4paralell packs of LG 50T....and there are actually enough reports of cuting out these wheels, too. Voltage alone only helps for max speed, not for torque!
I would also advise to look Adams 18s video, where he actually showed the NEAR cutout on wheelLog....he accelerates in 2 seconds from zero to 40kmh...someone who is doing such things and THEN complaining about pedal dips or voltage sag cant be taken serious anyway!
Ed Keosada When you see his 18s review...he accelerates like crazy hell from 0to44 in about 2 seconds....
doing sich crazy things is just not right and can lead to cutout on any wheel!
Nonetheless: Its just truth the s18 has only 3p and the v11 has 4p configuration....so a bit of truth is in it!
The v11 has about 20-25%more power (amps) available, but thats it.
I really wanted to like the S18. Pre-ordered it, waited months, finally received it. Less than half an hour later the controller board blows out and the wheel is completely dead. Luckily I wasn't going fast when it happened. I could tolerate cheap build quality, but critical components breaking on a brand new expensive wheel, that's unacceptable and dangerous. Always had InMotion wheels, put many miles on them, crashed a few times, never a single issue. This was my first and probably last KingSong. Trading it in for a V11 now.
Wow! Just changed my S18 order last week to V11!
More than 2500 km, zero problems with s18
It all comes down to what you value. To me, looks are important because I'm shallow. Speed not so much. Ability to take on all manner of trails, from more extreme offroading to concrete cruising, very important. Bells and whistles like a better light, not so important cos I won't be riding trails in the dark. I also want to be able to upgrade to a coil shock and really pimp this thing out. So even though I love the look and reviews of the V11 and currently ride a V10, I'm heavily leaning towards the S18. The quality control issues have me worried, but I'd get a 2nd or 3rd batch and ensure at least the suspension issue is resolved.
so after 3 years hows the status? I wonder which wheel to start between the V11Y or the S19. :D
Brutally honest reviews man. Very nice. That dangling S18 mudflap... makes me sad each time I see it. It was such a highly anticipated wheel. So sad.
V11 ☑️
Awesome revieww on both those wheels and the V11 seems to be a much safer option all round and stability too. Love your videos buddy
Another point to the v11: It's great to ride seated. =D
Thanks Adam. I have the V11 and your right it does ride like a Cadillac. It's smooth and super quiet. I am loving this wheel. Thanks for the comparison of the two wheels. It reaffirms that I made the right choice.😊
How long did it take yours to come and did u pay for express shipping and when did u order it?
@@thugis07 Yes I did pay extra. I was one of the first batch. I got mine the same week as Duf. So I do have the ZZ bearings. No issues so far. I have about 200 miles on it. It's a beautiful ride and comfortable too. Lot's of compliments.
Bill H how long did it take tho from order date to delivery? Need it to know to make an estimate when mines is gonna come
@@thugis07 I preordered in early April and delivered early July. Exactly 3 months. Air freight took 2 days from HK. Hope this helps.
Bill H ok thank you. Order mine early august so it should be here by early November didn’t pay for express. That’s sad tho cause I live in NY and it’s gonna get really cold soon
Got my S18 three days ago. WOW!!! I love this wheel it’s beautiful! What an incredible ride. The King Song S-18 is a well thought out kit!
The suspension design is a take-off of the mono shock seen on all modern high performance sport bikes.
I love the trolly handle. Once you get used to the way it works it checks all the boxes for me. When in the lifting position the wheel is activated with just enough power to keep the wheel upright but doesn't spin when lifted.
In my never to be humble opinion, you can choose a sport bike like ride good for the street and trails or if you prefer the V11 a ride much like the heavier Harley hands down a comfortable street ride with longer legs.
Another reason I decided to purchase the S18 over the V11 is that the S18 wheel isolates the rider and hardware, (Batteries, Logic Board) the V11 only isolates the rider against the constant shock of the road.
I love the way In-Motion and King Song have taken the time to develop such incredible machines.
Can’t wait to see what the future holds…
Thanks for the very helpful comment.
My inexperienced intuition wonders if there is a distinct difference in stability between the S18 and the V11. These two suspension designs have largely different unsprung weights, in an attempt to isolate/integrate the rider and the machine.
I’d imagine that the “float” sensation on the V11 might be disconcerting while riding off-road because of delayed control responsiveness.
I’d be interested to know what the experience differences are between riding the S18 and the V11, with regards to how it feels being isolated the mass of the EUC in being “sprung from the pedals”, or being integrated with the mass of the EUC when being “sprung from the wheel”?
I’d be interested to see if they’re developing gyroscopically stabilization to dampen shock loads and make bumps less tiring on the feet/legs.
Enjoy your S18. It sounds like a nimble ride.
To me the v11 looks a bit sketchy on hard bumps. The s18 seems a lot more refined overall. Our streets here are absolute garbage and rapid acceleration will never be a factor for on a uni. I just know inmotion makes extremely durable units. There's just something about the s18 that draws me to it..
Awesome comparison Wrongway, love everything you said about each wheel, it cements my feelings exactly! Especially great to hear you express your fondness for the V11 despite the loss of blu tooth speakers, & that an option may be open to add them. The V11 has been my pick since the pair hit mainstream, but like you I'm waiting to see & hear music coming out of that Cadillac, better yet a 69 Eldorado. Great job Wrongway. 👍👍
Nice ending 😆...Lmao
Great work on this comparison/review of these two suspension wheels. Curious to see how the EX compares to the v11 whenever it releases.
Looks can be deceiving. But seriously, "Hello, Master Adam" I feel like skynet will activate any moment.. :D
Hey, great video! What knee/shin guards are you rocking?
Great comparison I knew I picked the right wheel in the V 11
The angry commenters here are obviously the S18 owners.😆 Chill down, bros. The man just gave his honest review of both wheels.
I can hit 38mph/61kmp on my V11, 5 amp charges in about 2 ½ - 3 hours.
Thanks. Enjoying all the reviews. How did you injure your right hand/wrist?
I bought a V11. It fried a mosfet on a simple hill on day 4. Returned to amazon and got an S18. Crushed the hill and have gone on to abuse it. S18 wins
Both trolley handles are a two step process; you can also turn off the kill switch on the KS S18. Whilst the S18 pads aren't the best, the V11 has none.
Watch out for the shoe laces !
I loved the end ^^
Me too :). The end was epic ;)
TY for awesome comparison!
My opinion about both these wheels - anyway we need to wait for the next revisions of these wheels!
Absolutely great video bro! You did great!!
The S18 might look good, if not for the superb concept and finish of the V11
I loved this comparison great stuff as usual but ...omg that shoelace flopping around is SCARY man. See you in the next vid!
I am glad their peddles are flat, my feet hurt from strongly angled peddles. IMO the highly angled peddles are more suited for faster EUCs.
Thank you for saying and confirming the things we all suspected but most won't admit. Ever since these two wheels came into light, people always seem to look for reasons to hate the V11 and people seem to look for reasons to glorify the S18, and gotway fans that were sponsored to make reviews of these two just fail to be impartial. Now I just watch your channel, alien rides, Duf and Marty's to see if a particular wheel can fit into my lifestyle. Love how nonstopneal uses his EUCs and brompton in his travels. I used to watch theTopher (Chris) and his friend Preston a lot when they were still making vids. I identify with the rider, not the wheel... I like watching Chooch coz he seems passionate about riding ANY eucs, and Kuji coz he's fun to watch, especially when he crashes, like in most of his vids.
Hmmm it seems we travel different circles...I see a lot of V11 supporters and S18 haters..... Wierd must be biased perceptions
InMotion “let” you keep the V11. Every criticism of the S18, or praise for the V11 is suspect right after that graphic flashed. I continue my search for what I believe to be an unbiased comparison between these wheels.
Finally someone sees through the curtain lmao, giant advertisement.
Thank you for this indepth comparison, Adam! Very informative 👍 lol, the end tho... 😹
You stay til the end :D props and thank you!
Colder Temperatures require more psi for the suspension maintenance in winter. Thanks for the info.
@12:37 the S18 has adjustable pedal height and it comes with them low and when you put them on the highest setting its very high, not sure if as high as V11, but I will have a V11 and S18 in a week or so and I will be interested to see which is higher when the S18 is at the highest setting.
Could you make a comparison video as well? Maybe just a comment. Checked out your channel, cool content! Cheers!
@@rishi-m thank you. S18 vs V11 summary after a year of riding: Don't buy a S18, its inferior to the V11 in almost every way (and the battery packs in mine just became defective and require replacement after less than 1,000 miles!).
@@YourAubsome indeed, I'm strongly inclined towards the V11, they came out with a Molicell version of the S18 which solves the power issues, but I don't expect the build quality to have changed. Besides, I don't plan to go offroad, V11 seems to be perfect, especially the waterproof rating, lots of rain, snow and slush here. Can you please specify a few drawbacks of the V11, since for me it is starting to become too rosy of a picture, thanks a ton for your response!!
@@rishi-m The V11 overheats much easier than the S18 and lacks overheat protection (you can fry the controller if you don't setup a custom alarm). Changing the air pressure in the V11 shocks is annoying. The rubber grip on the V11 trolley handle comes loose and is hard to secure if you also use the seat (its a constant issues). The V11 requires special pads due to the way the suspension system works (but the special pads available for it are better than those available for the S18). Other than those things... the V11 is better than the S18 in every way.
@@YourAubsome thanks a TON!!!! For pads there's a multitude of options like Clark, Grizzla etc. which ones do you use? That's my last question I promise! Have a great time of day!!!
Thanks Adam for info, side by side visual comprison bigger tyre for v11 makes it looks tougher though.
Love the review. The one I waited for.
I have a couple of questions though...
1) this is not the first video where i see the V11's charge port hanging down. Is that a common issue?
2) for the suspension maintenance in winter, will that include both positive and negative chambers? On the v11 that'll be a drain to dismantle the saddle every 100 kms...
1) i forgot to close it
2) i think only positive chamber
Great video Adam. Thanks for the honesty
280 PSI in the top chamber seems insane for someone your weight on the S18. I'm about 95kg and I'm using 220 PSI (top) and 100 PSI (Bottom), but i guess it is up to personal preference.
Nice video, can't wait to try the V11. I'm interested in it for a commuter wheel, but the S18 was to replace the Onewheel XR that was just a bit under powered for me. It has been exceeding my expectations, so it's fun to see a lot of people bashing it. I'm a novice though so my input is crap :)
go ride an msp friend you can also see what is a good non suspension euc👌🏻
@@Papalou1234 oh I've ridden an MSP, 18XL and 16X. All good fun wheels. I just want suspension for my crappy knee. I got esk8s if I want to go 40 mph :)
Dzięki za ten film mistrzu :) szkoda tylko, że na maile nie odpisujesz :p
Why are you still watching you ask...because your content is freaking fire
🙏🙏🙏
Reminded me of the last scene of Ferris Bueller
Still a good value vid👍
Thanks for the review Master Adams. If you was to choose one EUC out of all you have reviewed/owned, which would it be?
there was a video about range between these. i need ma range no anxiety
Great comparison!
Did they fix the issues of both?
Thanks for the awesome review :)
S18 I have the ability to adjust the height of the pedals
Great comparison 👍👍
Alright, let's do this! 🔥🔥
sounds like its time to wait for the next edition when some one gets it right
This makes me want both. I'd replace my V10 with the S18.
Is the V11 the 2020 wheel of the year?
For me it is beo
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Ok I was gonna buy s18, but I'm buying v11 now. I guess my first KS euc will be s20, maybe in 2023
can you do a review on the new s18 with molicel? or did you already?
I didn’t do one yet. Maybe if I get my hands on one.
Brilliant... 👍
Love that you can customise the boot up and shut down sounds! Will definitely be doing that on my V11. Thanks for the comparison mate. Knew I made the right decision going for the V11 but you've just confirmed it tenfold. BTW can I ask, what pressure have you got in your tyres???
Thanks for the comment! In 18" i ride 28 psi :) except for when i do stunts etc then 35-40
Wrong Way! Cool! Was thinking around that amount as well. 28-30psi.
Just a few corrections:
1. You can charge S18 for up to 6amp safely. You can get an 5amp charger and you charge it faster then dualchargint the V11.
2. Both lights on the Sherman have adjustable angle. Use it. Noone else has to suffer. :D
3. If youre learning you can just step on it ride slowly and take it out. Unless you move it it wont go into carry mode and viola you have a newbie friendly handle on S18.
4. The S18s suspension was assembled wrongly so sadly we dont really know how S18s suspension feels. Definetly not a first batch wheel for someone who doesnt want to tinker day one.
Btw Adam how are the pedals on V11. The seem a bit short i have 45EU shoe size. Youre 44 right?
Lol I have size 48, currently riding the tiny V8 pedals. I'm curious how much bigger they are when I buy my new V11
You know you can raise the S18 pedal height. Its not fixed height like the V11. I guess you dont know about that.
I know what wheel I am getting next year! Thank you for your honest reviews.
Which one?!
@@krikri3387 King Song. Roll.NZ is working over the suspension and they have knocked all the kinks out of it.
Hello I wanted to ask you I installed the trolley handle on my Inmotion V5 and I also have the pedals from v10 / v8 and the tire pressure at 3 bar and my Inmotion V5 no longer drives as it was I no longer have as much controversial about that Cycle as before, how does it go where it wants and I feel every pebble since the pedals are big and pleasant but I lose control when driving and who I try to drive, then it wobbles extremely back and forth you know a lot about what that I suspect that it is because of the v10 pedals and that is why I lose control and the pedals are much too large, the magnet cannot hold them who they are trapped and I believe that the tire pressure is too high even at 3 bar
I own an S18 ( just turned 200 miles ) and I don't agree with you at all. You where given a pre-production unit to test and you trashed it. As the term PRE-PRODUCTION IMPLLIES , the unit was not fit for sales. Your reviews are biased my S18 has been nothing but fun. It does have a smaller batterie but it is safe ( with the new software) that slows it down and keeps it from stalling.
Io anyone reading this post. The S18 is the most fun wheel i have ever own. Understand it's limitations and enjoy. For a better review comparison between these two units go to choock. That kid really knows it's stuff.
Check out my later review :) I changed my mind a bit :)
@21:13 Is there a body under that blanket?
Very thank you Bro!! Я сам из России. Город Чита. I know english) Its great comparison. My choice is V11)
awesome review.. 🔥🔥😍😍
Wrong Way needs a second flower pot...🌻🌷🌻🌷🌻🌷🌻🌷
V11 does not like flowerpots :D
If someone asks Adam, “hey, where’s the S18?”, he could say that “the open concept of the S18 allows for better integration of my new plant’s root system.”
@@mr_wrongway do you have a link to where to get those flower pots? Around here for some reason all the deck railing flower pots are now like thin at the bottom and wont support a wheel
always watch to the end lol
WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR ARM?
Great sneakers, man, how does they called?
What happend to your hand mate?
Great and honest review. Everytime you say "face plant", I cringe. Oh the things you do for your craft. 😃
King(LOCK)Song will ban you in 3, 2, 1 .... : D You won't see any wheels from them in the future :D
We can.. Our wheels are delivered by distributors ;)
What kind of shoes are you wearing? Those looks like they have great ankle protection
Vans :)
Nah, half a year later. V11: motor changes, bearing problems, motherboard dead. All in all, i nice wheel ... it could be.
Iam just not getting it, i have a v8 wich has a 20s 2p battery setup and this wheel is not facing any scary voltage drop during acceleration.
Why would s18 drop so low? maybe KingSong messed something with battery wires crossesection or what? Whats the design fault? , i cant beleive its because of 3p battery.
Because it has a 2200W motor that pulls more power.
You forgot to say it’s a nightmare to change the tyre on the V11.
Is not also on the s18? :)
@@MADpack It's less complicated
Is this s18 batch 1? If so, is King Song addressing any issues in batch 2?
event they adress flaw if you tell peoplethey will block you KS like to eared only when it is all good
This the v11 is a beast, I actually love it and btw way you is so handsome I just had to say it lol (a girl)
Haha, well, V11 it is (and always has been)!
Gotway 👆
Shoelace!
Livehack stojak z doniczki? ;-D
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Inmotion pay you for this? Or give you something?
I have watched many reviews on both of these wheels and the more I see the less I feel inclined to buy one. They are early iterations, over complicated and primitive. It will be better to wait until the manufacturers come up with a better design and a better build quality.
Uhm... You think the Inmotion is primitive and over complicated?
@@lefotografion this the type of guy to old off on buying a smartphone because a better one will be out next year.
Always chasing the moving goal post.
@Pster Cochrane Enjoy the wait...
@@lefotografion Yes, a clumsy design, watch the strip down and Hsiang's crash, both on RUclips. One crash and the V11 was scrap.
Peter Cochrane you really have to understand how strong this truck bumper is🤣😂 no euc will survive this face crash! Look like at least one youtuber tryto make this s18 better 🤣😂😂🤣 good luck and dont forget the glue and youre charger😛
@@Papalou1234 slight BURN
How funny I thought the same thing. The s18 looks better in pics but not as cool irl. And the v11 didn’t look as cool in pics but looks awesome irl.
I’ve been leaning more towards the v11 when it comes to suspension wheels but for my riding style I think I’m gonna need the Sherman.
Thx for the video man nice job
21700 cells are better actualy
How much in motion pay you to do your review ? ...lol ...v11 alway on beep current warning ...s18 way better performance at any point ..
I’m so disappointed in the S18, I’ve been lusting after this since I first saw it but as a 96kg (plus clothes) guy I’ll have to hope version 2 addresses it’s shortcomings. I know the V11 is a good wheel but it leaves me cold.
I'm 91kg and it moves me around with no issues. 250psi on the top, 100psi on the bottom....never bottoms out
100 kg, more than 2500 km, no issues.
do you think the S18 will replace your MSP?
No :)
Thats not a comparison bro. The s18 is a toy to go offroad.. ;)
I just ordered ks-18 and now I feel sad. 😂🤦♂️
It’s a good wheel! I sold my v11 and bought s18 later :) just don’t overpower it!
@@mr_wrongway roger. Thanks for your response. I get my ride in 2 weeks.
большая вероятность поломать зубы на этих штуках?
Как и на моцыке, да если пренебречь экипировкой и гонять как подорванный
please do a V11 vs veteran comparison
Uhm... What should he compare? The one is double the battery size, way heavyer and I think an completely different costumer base
All EUC have a person standing on two pedals attached to one wheel. It is comparable to all other EUCs. If your statement were true then there is no point comparing V11 to S18. Different customer base
@@Kay0Bot yeah, well... No. Same price point, same idea, somewhat same usage area. A person with an v11 could also live with an s18, but I think not with an Sherman. For example a city commuter who uses the underground railroad too, just won't be happy about it. So wouldn't i
@@lefotografion yea I have limited perspective. I don't ride my EUC on the road with cars or to work, just on trails.
@@Kay0Bot Well I'm still riding my totally underpowered V8, but I'm riding it everywhere... Like, everywhere you can go with 30kmh. And I've ridden the gotway monster and the ninebot one e. So I have some comparison
Now, how much did inmotion pay you to be so eager about the s18? 😂 And you forgot to say "dangerous suspension on the v11". Whatever I don't know why but I do sense something is off with those reviews you're throwing, I'm sorry🙄 (i probably am wrong, but I don't see why you would be so aggressive towards the s18) basically v11 is nothing new, it's old school, of course it has more feature and was easier to design. Of course the part where the battery/motor combination on the S18 could be a trouble Is understandable, but except for you no other youtubers ever complained... Soo, I'm pretty confused about the way you handle those couple videos. And I'm sure the review of the s18 is gonna be even worse. It's just so HARD for you to tell ONE good thing about the s18, even just admitting that the suspension is juste better, you can't say one good word without immediately stating that the v11 is better. So what happened (not used to see so much eagerness from you)?
EVX also talked about the bad breaking performance on the s18, and that the inmotion just is the better overall package
@@lefotografionDoes Battery sag has something to do with breaking performance? (also evx tried prepod model), and other youtubers that have tried the final s18 never talked about that again. But seriously, it's better OK (or more exactly, it's new and v11 is basic) , but why so eager? Is it an électrochoc meant for ks ? 🤔 That "brand war" is getting tiring, in the end we all want, better, safer, and innovative wheels. It's hard to feel like a community sometimes when some brand riders get after over brands. It's one small community and it's young, this isn't good
@@DIVA-MC-7 I think brand wars is great. Then we can have a big meetup where we joust each other on our EUCs for who has the better brand.
#EUCjoust2021
@@DIVA-MC-7 I think we all wanted the S18 to be a good thing, but at it's current state it isn't much more than problems and suboptimal designs everywhere..sure you can get used to it or don't experience better things but it won't make it better than what it is
Bro the suspention on the v11 is definitley not dangerous if you have it set in the right way. Nobody pays us to say a word in benefit or against a brand bro. Soon I will be bringing my review of the s18 but what he said about the s18 I told everyone before they even released the s18.. If you had cutoff with a ks16x with a 1540wh you expect that the same configuration with 1100wh will solve the issue? I have a drop in battery on the 16x the other day that i jump from my msp c30 to the 16x and because i pushed hard i had almost a cutoff.