Hey Buddy its Rocco from Connecticut wow that's quite a difference in mpg it just shows what they can do with transmissions always enjoy your videos there appreciated so please keep them coming thanks your friend Rocco
Thanks for putting the time in comparing these two trucks. Im in the market for an F350 Diesel now, I think I will look for a 2020, I like the 10 speed and you mpg test just sealed it for me. I will be towing toys and toy hauler. Thanks again! Love your 2020!!
Im averaging 3.5 mpg better on my 2020 than my 2016, and the power difference is massive. The 2020 6.7 and 10-speed is an unbelievable combo, lets hope the reliability is great also
I’ve been driving my 2020 F350 diesel dually with 4.10 rear for a week. So far...getting 16 MPG combined. On the highway... doing 70 MPH in 10th gear doing 2000 RPM....instantaneous MPG is 20!!!!!
When I changed from my stock 2019 f-350 Michelin’s to a 35’’ nitto tire I lost at least 3-4 mpg hwy ...also your tires are low and probably in regeneration.
ITSALLGOOD 74 I have an ‘09 V10 gasser, and when I put 35s on it, I lost less than 1mpg, nothing to that extent. These trucks weigh so much, the difference in tire weight is less than putting one of your buddies in the passenger seat. I went from stock 275-60r20’s (~34”) to 35-12.50r20’s and the weight difference was less than 10#/tire, so added less than 40# total. I agree with you that re-gen mode probably had something to do with it. If My ‘19 F-450 is not in re-gen, I get 15.5-16mpg highway @65mph (flat roads here in Hellinois), and have gotten as much as 16.7mpg @60mph. Keep in mind that’s with a DRW and 4.30 gears. It can drop several mpg when it’s in re-gen...
I have a 2017 350 now with about 70K mikes with 35 inch Nitto ridge grapplers and get between 14 and 16 mpg driving solo. I am loving your comparison videos.
Don’t get too excited about your fuel mileage! As soon as you lift it with bigger tires it will drop like a rock. Love the videos look forward everyone of them....
If you get BFG KO'2s or Goodyear Duratracs you're good. They are the lightest aggressive tire you can find, the 35x12.50r20 duratrac weighs 63 lbs and the bfg ko2 weighs 66 lbs in the same size so at worst you might lose 2 mpg. A lot of people run Toyo MT's in that size they weigh 79lbs and nitto trail grapplers weigh 76 lbs in that size so you would lose around 3-4 mpg with those tires due to the extra weight and tread difference.
My 19 Cummins is considerably better on fuel. I should do another mpg run and do a video on it. I haven’t came across much about the new Ram HDs with a 68rfe and mpg.
Thanks for posting a good video about the 7.3L fuel economy. Been thinking of getting out of my current 6.7L diesel and this video helps with that decision.
Thanks for clarifying. I can’t believe your 2019 got that bad of fuel economy! I got a 2017 with the 6 speed and get very compatible fuel economy driving through B.C. with similar driving conditions.
Something to consider about the MPG difference though is purchase vehicle cost. If you’re comparing a brand new 2020 (~$95,000+ CAD) to a used 2017 (~$50,000 CAD) and assume you will drive the vehicle for 3-years (avg. ownership duration) and drive 30,000km/yr (avg. distance driven), a 2017 will cost $3,600 more in fuel, however it will be $45,000 less expensive to purchase and significantly less depreciation. So the cost of ownership is significantly less.
Colin Watt one is a 20 and one is a 19. And the more and less expensive a vehicle is has nothing to do with how it performs on fuel. I could buy the same model of truck at the same price point and that doesn’t change the engine and transmission. A less model truck should actually be better as it is lighter
workplaytv - I didn’t claim purchase price influenced MPG. I put MPG in context of cost of ownership. Here’s another example. New old stock 2019s are currently being discounted ~$20,000 CAD right now compared to a 2020. Assuming the same factors (ownership duration and km driven) the ‘19 will cost $3,600 CAD more to drive than the ‘20 but is still $16,400 less expensive to operate. (Depreciation is removed here because both are new vehicles and will be subject to similar devaluation). P.S. weight of the truck has a negligible influence on MPG. This is why the EPA and Energuide don’t require manufacturers to provide fuel economy ratings for each trim level.
thanks man, I was wondering the difference. Now I know to get the 2020 or 2021. Great video. I have the General Grabbers on my Toyota Taco. Great tires!
Great test, but one thing you did not mention was the aerodynamics of the 2 trucks. The 2019 has an open box and headache rack and rails (the rack is higher than the cab with 2 lights on it) and your 2020 has the tonneau cover and no racks. This might account for 1 or maybe 1.5 mpg. Still a very fair and unbiased test. Thx
I'm a daily driver and MPG fan. My dash gauge is on mpg screen all the time and its like a contest for me to see what I can get. The white average mpg line & blue bar. If the blue is above the line, you are gaining mpg. Below and its dropping mpg. Like when going up or down a hill. When it drops way down its doing a regen. My 17 owners manual states along with driving habits, for max fuel mileage use a tonneau cover. My truck is a 17 6.7 3:31 rear and stock. So in the last 2 years and 30k miles I have gotten to know my fuel mileage. The last 2 years we have tripped from central Fl to west texas panhandle (3400 miles) round trip. 16 to 19mpg hand calculated. Last month we went to went to west texas (3000 round) and had a new tonneau cover. Leaving FL we had a stiff headwind and got 17.8 and 18.6 on the first 2 stops. I dont know know if it was the more flat route of I-10, head or tail wind or bed cover or whatever, but we had solid 19's with a best ever 21.1mpg. Hand calculated. Why? BTW the computer is high .3 to .7 high, and sometimes on long distances spot on.
PS: above. Doing the speed limit 70-75mph. Intresting that we rerouted our way home to I-10 and the hills west of San Antonio where the limit was 80mph. I thought the mpg would crash, but it was actually climbing. Maybe the engine going from 1700 to 1900rpm put it in the sweet spot?
Just got my 2020 F350 Platinum Wednesday Jan 15 after having a 2019 F350 Platinum (had 24,000 kms). The radio program control screens are different on 2020 which is nice since now the presets can have AM or FM or Satellite all the same screen without having to change "Source". The heated steering wheel button is NOT on the climate screen anymore but I can see it at the top beside the clock on the home screen. Having only driven the 2020 for 2 days now, it does seem to ride smoother even though this particular truck came with the heavy service front suspension which I really did not want or need. The steering wheel feels easier to turn to me on the 2020. I love that the mirrors now "Auto Fold" as soon as I lock the truck. The headlights also seem to be brighter as I am constantly being flashed for having High Beams on when I am Low Beam. One thing I noticed is that as soon I unlock the 2020, I can hear an electrical humming sound coming from under the hood on the front driver's side. The sound does turn off after a few minutes if I don't start the truck. Just not sure why it makes this sound. Possibly the LED lights coming on from being unlocked? If anyone knows, please let me know. The 2020 short box also came with 3 inch hitch receiver instead of the 2 1/2 inch that I had on the 2019 short box. The nice thing about the 3 inch receiver hitch is that the holes are bigger & my trailer safety hooks can now fit in the holes. I had to add 3/4 shackles on my 2019 to accept the safety chain hooks. I still have a few 2 inch drawbars so I had to go get a 2 1/2 inch to 2 inch reducing sleeve. My 2020 came with 3 inch to 2 1/2 inch reducing sleeve. I popped into Ford in Calgary & they GAVE me a CURT 45408 Receiver Reducer sleeves for FREE so I can use all 3 sizes of drawbars now. Keep the videos coming as they are quite informative. I am in Canada, You are in Canada. it would be nice if you could also give us litres/100 km figures instead of just MPG & MPH figures. Thanks.
@@workplaytv Thanks! Yes, there is a setting for Auto-folding mirrors. The Mirrors must be OUT when you start the process. The exterior mirrors will automatically fold in toward the glass after you place the transmission in Park (P), switch off the vehicle, OPEN & CLOSE the driver’s side door and LOCK the vehicle by pressing “Lock" on fob or on door buttons. As you probably already know, pressing both bottom buttons on the door key pad locks any Ford vehicle. The exterior mirrors automatically unfold & return to their driving position after you unlock the vehicle. You can switch this feature “on" and “off” through the information display (See page 118 of Owner’s manual.) In the information cluster above the steering (Not the center display where radio, nav is), navigate as follows: Setting Advanced Settings Vehicle Mirrors Place check mark in front of "Auto Folding” Note: If you use the power-folding control to fold the mirrors on demand and the auto fold feature is switched on through information display, you must use the power-folding control again to unfold them (See page 99 of Owner’s manual.) Yes, I had to read the manual cause i couldn't get it to work even when "Mirrors Autofold" was set to on. The Mirrors must be OUT when you start the process.
@@workplaytv There are a few other things I am noticing as I drive the 2020 more & more. One other thing I noticed right away is the wireless phone charger on 2020 which my 2019 did not have. Not really a big deal with iPhone 11 Pro Max cause my battery has never dropped below 40% after a FULL day of phone use but it's nice that I won't have to worry about the phone charging cord anymore which is USB C on new iPhones. 2019 did not have USB C receptacle.
8:10 I hope I don't come across as too picky but, could you PLEASE remove that hair/fiber from the steering wheel column and provide video proof thereof? It would really help me sleep better.
Wait. If you remove big tires from 2019, add 1.5 mpg. Add big tires to 2020 subtract 1.5 mpg...grand total 3mpg difference (at least). Swap tires/wheels between trucks and retest. THEN you will have good data. Great videos! Keep up the good work.
First off beautiful truck! (both). I don't know about your numbers though, I did a mileage test in my 19 F350 CC (with 6.7L) and I was averaging 18.5-19.ish on the high way doing 65ish mph. My in town driving has gone way down but that's with a 1100lb plow hanging off the front, Fisher Poly Caster salt spreader in the bed and usually in tow/haul mode but still getting around 10mpg plowing and around 11-12mpg just driving.
I’m a diesel fanatic and love the power and mpg potential. However, I just finished a long drive (300+ mi one way) out of town. I drove my supercharged ‘12 Tundra with both pulleys, a tune, 4:88 posi (2wd) 6spd, 32” tall tires (275/55/20), empty bed & weighs about 5,500 lbs. I drove between 60mph and 85 mph with a few spurts to 90 through flat and hilly highway roads. My truck averaged 17.3 mpg on the 22 gallon tank. Around town I get about 13 mpg. It’s very fast and if I beat on it, the mpg will get as low as 11.5 - 12 mpg. IMO if you have a 6 or 10 spd combined with a low rear gear like a 3:73 - 4:88, you can get up to speed more quickly and you won’t lose much mpg overall as the OD helps out on hwy driving. My 6th gear is .54:1 and at 65mph I’m just at or under 2k rpm. Consider a few mods to the big Ford like a free flowing exhaust and a tune and you could see a bump in mpg and slightly better acceleration. The enormous weight of the 3/4 ton diesels (over 8k lbs) really hamstrings the Powerstroke from achieving more mileage.
I have tested the trans temp on the 2021 6.7L 10 speed 4X4 F-350. The trans temp went to 210 deg on a hard pull but it did not recover on the down hill side of the hill. I let the engine idle for about 20 minutes and the trans temp was still at 210 DEG. I also tested the new 2020 7.3Lgas 10 speed. The results were even worse on the gas 7.3L. Empty the trans temp went to 220 DEG and the recovery time was way to long. I can get the 7.3L trans temp to 240 DEG easy. When it is at 240 DEG the TCM lockes the converter clutch at a low speed giving the pickup a luggie feel caused by the TCC locked up. I think Ford needs to improve the trans cooling system on the 10 speed units. The theory behind locking the TCC down at a lower speed causes the converter temp not to increase.
My 2014 averages 16-17 @ 65-70 mph rpm is around the same 1500sh verify similar terrain. Tires are 35 12.50 20 as well which in all honesty were on it when I bought it, will be going closer to stock when I wear through them. Enjoy your videos thanks for sharing.
very interesting! it must be great to have the two trucks to compare! I am glad I've waited for the 2020 model! ( I understand tires and suspension makes a difference but the 2020 looks sweet!)
Thanks brah, I have a 17 150 eco with the ten speed and I’m getting 19 now, but I been thinking about going to get me a 2020 250 I’m thinking the 7.3 gas Thanks brah for doing all this for us
Inaccurate. Hotshot drivers report about a 1 mpg or so increase. Besides the larger tires , gearing need to be taken into account. The 10 speed is still having serious problems in cold Saskatchewan winters.
What I'm getting at is the 6 also doesn't shift down if matted, I use the manual alot on hilly roads just to minimize constant up down shifting. Thanks for the comeback
Dave Tarbox Oh yeah for sure. When I am towing with my 550 and I have my excavator behind it I do the same . But I have found with these truck they do tend to find a gear and stick to it pretty well.
Yes I agree, but towing to me is a little different. My toyhauler is around 20k loaded up so I tend to use manual alot, just my preference I guess. I had hoped the 10 speed would be the same cause I intend on a purchase. Thanks have a good one
Just one other thing, I look at all I can find on these trucks and not once has anyone done anything on the manual part of the tranny (that I have seen). Just seems kinda strange to me cause I love that part of it.
I'm thinking you need to looking at getting forscan so you can adjust your speedometer for the tire size. That will eliminate people complaining about consistency.
I'm interested in mpg differences in gas models. The 6.2 vs the outgoing 6.8, and the new 7.3, unloaded and loaded to payload capacity, or with a trailer. I think the 6.2 and 6.8 would do worse than the 7.3, the 6.2 having to work harder being a smaller, less powerful engine. Same with the 6.8 to a lesser extent, and the fact that the V10 has always drank gas like a big block. All 3 are good engines, but I mainly want to see just how much better the 7.3 is than the others.
FYI: My 2012 V8 6.2 crew cab is getting 15-19mpg driving 65-55 respectively. Then again I live in rolling Hill country with the occasional flat land. San Francisco to Redding CA. Mixed I get 16. I'm not seeing numbers justifying a trade for ME. Yet. My truck is a summer camping tow rig with long commutes. Plenty of power.
I appreciate your videos and always look forward to the next one. Love the look of your truck . I’m ordering one a little more low key. It’s a F-350 crew cab Lariat 4x4 without the moon roof and the 8’ bed . Should be in the driveway end of February beginning of March. From Loxahachee FL thanks again David
Those aggressive tires on the 2019 will have a negative effect on MPG v. the highway tires on the 2020. Once you put larger and more aggressive tires on the 2020, don't expect to see those mileage numbers.
Is that imperial gallons or us gallons? My 2019 platinum with 5000 kms is averaging 13.1 with highway / city driving and regens. So that's 17.95 miles per gallon(US) and 21.56 miles per gallon(imperial). Some trucks are just harder on fuel than others.
I have a F350, 6" lift, 37s, at 69 mph I get 15 to 16 mpg. City driving I consistently get 13.5, the tires make the difference. Also your TP light is on. It's great the new truck is getting 20+ but comparison is off because of tires.
One thing that is also hard to account for with only performing a ~50 mile mpg loop is when the DPF regenerates. I have an F-150 with the 3.0 Powerstroke and can notice the difference in mpg when the DPF regenerates.
Brexton Ridgdell - DPF is the diesel particulate filter. The computer will send additional fuel to exhaust system to raise the exhaust temperatures to burn the diesel soot in the DPF. The computer does this when it senses a high differential pressure across the DPF.
That is some serious improvement on MPG, I see about 1-2 MPG less with AT tires on my vehicle. I would guess they are getting about one MPG with the 10 speed, 1 MPG with the new engine, and one more MPG with the front air dam.
i wonder if it's the tires. i looked them both up there's about a 10 pound difference. the general grabbers are 68lbs each vs stock that are 55 ish. but they are also wider which kills fuel and you said you run them a little lower than ford tire pressure right. that's prob about 2 mpg. then they new 10 speed prob bought 2 mpg. but it does seem that your 350 does not get good mileage
I’m experiencing the same, an increase of 3-4 mpg, wife and I went outta town yesterday and traveled 110 miles, mostly highway, 20.8 avg, hand calculated. 68mph. Have noticed much lower rpm’s, which leads me to one of my previous stated concerns, in order to keep the DPF clean and properly regenerated, you need heat. The 6 speed kept rpm’s higher thus producing more heat, the passive regeneration was flawless, with lower rpm’s I foresee this being an issue. I was lugging at 11-1200 rpm’s, in town I’m down to 1k rpm, I see the regens being either more often or needing more drive to clean messages in the future around 7-10k miles. Unless Ford is injecting more fuel to keep the heat up, idk, I’m not an engineer, but lugging at 1k rpm’s is a lot like idling, not good, only time will tell, anyway I’m loving the new truck, so far they’ve hit a home run.
Great video. I have a 2017. Paid for ya da ya da. I figure if fuel gets to 10 bucks a gallon I might need to trade up. Which considering Truedom and Obiden it might get there soon. Great info though.
Can you do a measurement on the height difference between the two years. I am hearing the 2020 is lower, better for 5th wheel RV towing. Can't find a 2020 near me to measure myself yet and curious.
@@treadlightlyservicesllc.1930 yeah I'd prefer the taller stance, but when pulling a 5th wheel RV the bed clearance is starting to get tight, while trying to keep the RV level with the truck.
Not so fast on the 2019 your low tire pressure light is on. Even a few pound under will make a huge huge difference in mileage. I think the right thing to do switch tires don’t top with air. Then you will have it right. Thanks
That does NOT mean the tires are low. It means the factory tires may need 80 psi and the after market tires run at 50 (perhaps) and the computer shows a fault because it does not know 50 is max for the aftermarkets. My 2015 has had the tire light on since new with (other than factory) tires.
I just drove from Las Vegas to Phoenix, 300 miles with my 2018 Lariat, Michelin stock tires, around 25,000 miles on odometer. The adaptive cruise control was set up at 80 mph. 17.4 mpg was the average when reaching destination. We all agree, that driving over 65 and 70 mph, it is a game changer when comes to gas/diesel consumption. So based on my experience and the test results you had, I am not convinced that the new 10 speed transmission it’s very impressive for mpg. I am wondering what will be the mpg driving back to Las Vegas, with the adaptive cruise on 70 or 65 mph? Thank you for taking on my invitation on doing the test comparing 6 speed vs 10 speed.
One thing, what is the status of the 2019? Overall mileage and maintenance? Recent oil change or no? New air filter? High mileage i.e worn? That might introduce some issues because, of course, the 2020 doesn't have those. But if it's in reasonable shape and had maintenance done on it recently then that is a huge difference. Thanks!
Hey man love your videos just thought I would share some info about my 2019 f250, it's all stock other than going with duratracs (same size as stock) on hwy I get a consistent 10.3 to 10.5 L/100 And I tow a 33 foot travel trailer this past summer my family and I did a 7000km trip (Canada) and we got 20.1L/100 km by the end of the trip . Love the truck she pulls like a train, my thoughts like others is that you may have been in regen just thought I would give my 2 cents keep up the good content take care !
My 2019 F350 6.7 runs low 10's to mid 11's litres per kilometers on the hwy running between 100 and 120 kmphr. Towing I'm between 19 and 21 l/100km depending on terrain and speed. The 19 f350 has comparable milage to my 17 f150, until you compare towing mileage. Then the diesel shines.
@@liljeff39 I currently have a 33 ft 5th wheel that weighs loaded 9700. That still gets between 19 and 23 litres per 100. With strong head winds it will climb to 27 liters per 100 km. When I wrote this post I had a Grey Wolf 23dbh that weighted 7500 lbs loaded.
Did you consider getting the F450? If you considered the F450 but went with the F350 could you tell us why? Also, what gear ratio did you go with and why?
Harald Krueger I don’t have a use for the 450 right now as I have ghe 550 for heavy stuff. The 3.55. You can get a 3.31 and I’m sure it’s great but for towing I like the 3.55
Something is wrong with your 2019 mpg ... I have a 2019 F350 Dually which get worst mpg than SRW’s get 15.3 just around town in a hilly area and 18-19 in Hwy speeds going 60 and I have 4.1 gear ratio in the same cold temps you’re in. Your 2020 is getting the same as my 2019. I just bought a F550 with 4.88 rear I can’t wait to find out what Mpg’s I’ll get with that truck (I’m having it super singled by DBLdesign.com in TX and regeared to 6.17 to offset the 41” tires)
workplaytv so why do you think you’re getting less mpg’s with the 2019, tire size? Btw I use synthetic oil in my trucks. Also I love Nova Scotia ... count your blessings
carmas54 Yeah I think it’s a factor for sure. But even when I had my 250 with 35s my 19 was always 2-3 mpg less than that truck. My 2020 350 is easier on fuel than my 250 was
Are your trucks gas or diesel? If diesel, how much difference would it be with gas? I;ll be buying one or the other in either 350 or 250 later this week and it was perfect timing finding these.
Personally, I don't think it's outrageous that your getting 4 mpg worse on the 2019. Lets take into account - larger, heavier more aggressive tires (more rolling resistance) combined with a more efficient 10 spd tranny. I gained 2-3 miles per gallon going from a 2016 F150 6 speed to a 2019 10 spd. So I don't think it's out of the question to gain a couple mpg and then throw in the more aggressive tires for a couple more?
Just did a 6 hour trip in my 2019 f350 SB. Averaged 18 mpg running 70-80 mph. Only had 1200 miles on truck when starting the trip. My guess is your 2019 tires are making a bigger difference than you’re accounting for. I was also at 50 psi front and 70 psi rear. What were your tire pressures on each truck?
Rick Matz How is that a marketing tool? It’s about meeting the engine total potential and the 10 speed does that. Lower gears for towing. 3 over drive gears vs 2 for better mileage. If you haven’t noticed everything is costing more and more it’s how the world works. Better things are made and they cost more.
The extra gears will never give you better mileage. The torque converter is your buffer between gears. Your actually more likely to over heat the transmission with lower engine rpm.
Rick Matz the only way that would ever happen would be if you were hauling a heavy load and you were lugging the truck. You put the truck in tow haul and you will be in the proper gear with the proper rpm. I’d say the engineers are fairly intelligent
13:15 - you’re welcome
Thankyou
Hey Buddy its Rocco from Connecticut wow that's quite a difference in mpg it just shows what they can do with transmissions always enjoy your videos there appreciated so please keep them coming thanks your friend Rocco
Good to hear. I figured it would be something like that. The 10 speed in a game changer and it makes sense.
Thanks for putting the time in comparing these two trucks. Im in the market for an F350 Diesel now, I think I will look for a 2020, I like the 10 speed and you mpg test just sealed it for me. I will be towing toys and toy hauler. Thanks again! Love your 2020!!
Im averaging 3.5 mpg better on my 2020 than my 2016, and the power difference is massive. The 2020 6.7 and 10-speed is an unbelievable combo, lets hope the reliability is great also
Dude I love your videos. I bought a new 2019 a few weeks ago, fully stock, and I'm getting 19 mpg on the highways.
Marc Stewart Hey man congrats on the new rig! Hey that’s decent mileage for sure!
Last summer I rented a F 250 diesel. Didn't do the testing you did but got about 20 mpg. I was very happy with that.
I’ve been driving my 2020 F350 diesel dually with 4.10 rear for a week. So far...getting 16 MPG combined. On the highway... doing 70 MPH in 10th gear doing 2000 RPM....instantaneous MPG is 20!!!!!
I'm highly sceptical your getting 20 mpg with 4.10 gearing at 70mph. We're talking pump to pump. Not what the dash computer is saying.
When I changed from my stock 2019 f-350 Michelin’s to a 35’’ nitto tire I lost at least 3-4 mpg hwy ...also your tires are low and probably in regeneration.
ITSALLGOOD 74 I tire is low and no to regen the number was consistent from start to finish.
If you don’t re-program your speedo, then the mpg isn’t accurate anyways.
Jonathon-Mitchell Agree but that’s doesn’t change pump to pump my friend
workplaytv yea wasn’t referring to your situation, more just in general comment.
ITSALLGOOD 74 I have an ‘09 V10 gasser, and when I put 35s on it, I lost less than 1mpg, nothing to that extent. These trucks weigh so much, the difference in tire weight is less than putting one of your buddies in the passenger seat. I went from stock 275-60r20’s (~34”) to 35-12.50r20’s and the weight difference was less than 10#/tire, so added less than 40# total. I agree with you that re-gen mode probably had something to do with it. If My ‘19 F-450 is not in re-gen, I get 15.5-16mpg highway @65mph (flat roads here in Hellinois), and have gotten as much as 16.7mpg @60mph. Keep in mind that’s with a DRW and 4.30 gears. It can drop several mpg when it’s in re-gen...
I have a 2017 350 now with about 70K mikes with 35 inch Nitto ridge grapplers and get between 14 and 16 mpg driving solo. I am loving your comparison videos.
Well done bud those are big numbers. You are the first I seen doing the test👍
Hi bud,
I appreciate that test on these two pickups,
Thanks for sharing this great video.
I’m looking forward to seeing more videos.
Don’t get too excited about your fuel mileage! As soon as you lift it with bigger tires it will drop like a rock. Love the videos look forward everyone of them....
If you get BFG KO'2s or Goodyear Duratracs you're good. They are the lightest aggressive tire you can find, the 35x12.50r20 duratrac weighs 63 lbs and the bfg ko2 weighs 66 lbs in the same size so at worst you might lose 2 mpg. A lot of people run Toyo MT's in that size they weigh 79lbs and nitto trail grapplers weigh 76 lbs in that size so you would lose around 3-4 mpg with those tires due to the extra weight and tread difference.
Switch the wheels and tires on the trucks and run the test again to minimize the variables.
Haha I was thinking the same thing!!
Lol you gonna run over and help him switch?
He just drove 100 miles for video. It doesn't take that long with impact and proper jack
The tires make a huge difference it’s not just diameter it’s width which is substantial and also weight
I appreciate all the effort you put into this video, so I ‘liked’ and I’m commenting to help with the algorithm. Also a former Haligonian.
Would like to see what the mpg change will be in the gassers. 4 mpg is crazy
Great video! When I had my 18’ powerstroke I kept it stock and could rarely get over 15 mpg and that was cruise control and 65 mph.
My 19 Cummins is considerably better on fuel. I should do another mpg run and do a video on it. I haven’t came across much about the new Ram HDs with a 68rfe and mpg.
Thanks for posting a good video about the 7.3L fuel economy. Been thinking of getting out of my current 6.7L diesel and this video helps with that decision.
Kevin Mailman This was not the 7.3
Thanks for clarifying. I can’t believe your 2019 got that bad of fuel economy! I got a 2017 with the 6 speed and get very compatible fuel economy driving through B.C. with similar driving conditions.
The test is bogus seeing that you have bigger tires and added weight to the 2019. For this to be accurate they both need to be at factory standards.
Tfl method is a joke! No way is it accurate
@@freedomliberty7611 TFL used factory spec
Something to consider about the MPG difference though is purchase vehicle cost. If you’re comparing a brand new 2020 (~$95,000+ CAD) to a used 2017 (~$50,000 CAD) and assume you will drive the vehicle for 3-years (avg. ownership duration) and drive 30,000km/yr (avg. distance driven), a 2017 will cost $3,600 more in fuel, however it will be $45,000 less expensive to purchase and significantly less depreciation. So the cost of ownership is significantly less.
Colin Watt one is a 20 and one is a 19. And the more and less expensive a vehicle is has nothing to do with how it performs on fuel. I could buy the same model of truck at the same price point and that doesn’t change the engine and transmission. A less model truck should actually be better as it is lighter
workplaytv - I didn’t claim purchase price influenced MPG. I put MPG in context of cost of ownership. Here’s another example. New old stock 2019s are currently being discounted ~$20,000 CAD right now compared to a 2020. Assuming the same factors (ownership duration and km driven) the ‘19 will cost $3,600 CAD more to drive than the ‘20 but is still $16,400 less expensive to operate. (Depreciation is removed here because both are new vehicles and will be subject to similar devaluation).
P.S. weight of the truck has a negligible influence on MPG. This is why the EPA and Energuide don’t require manufacturers to provide fuel economy ratings for each trim level.
Got my 2020 F350 Platinum Tremor with the new 6.7L yesterday, 113 miles on it and is averaging 15.2. My 2017 F350 Platinum got 15.1almost always...
Hopefully itll get better when its warmer. Temp makes a big difference.
thanks man, I was wondering the difference. Now I know to get the 2020 or 2021. Great video. I have the General Grabbers on my Toyota Taco. Great tires!
More interested to see the 2020 mpg with the tires from a 2019. I reckon the difference would be around 2mpg but that 10 speed definitely helps.
RUclips User Seems like a lot of guys are saying the same thing so I may swap the tires and re run the test
Great test, but one thing you did not mention was the aerodynamics of the 2 trucks. The 2019 has an open box and headache rack and rails (the rack is higher than the cab with 2 lights on it) and your 2020 has the tonneau cover and no racks. This might account for 1 or maybe 1.5 mpg. Still a very fair and unbiased test. Thx
Tonneau cover actually decreases mpg according to myth busters tests.
@@JonnyMitchell57 I didn't know that, just assumed the opposite.
I'm a daily driver and MPG fan. My dash gauge is on mpg screen all the time and its like a contest for me to see what I can get. The white average mpg line & blue bar. If the blue is above the line, you are gaining mpg. Below and its dropping mpg. Like when going up or down a hill. When it drops way down its doing a regen.
My 17 owners manual states along with driving habits, for max fuel mileage use a tonneau cover. My truck is a 17 6.7 3:31 rear and stock. So in the last 2 years and 30k miles I have gotten to know my fuel mileage.
The last 2 years we have tripped from central Fl to west texas panhandle (3400 miles) round trip. 16 to 19mpg hand calculated.
Last month we went to went to west texas (3000 round) and had a new tonneau cover. Leaving FL we had a stiff headwind and got 17.8 and 18.6 on the first 2 stops. I dont know know if it was the more flat route of I-10, head or tail wind or bed cover or whatever, but we had solid 19's with a best ever 21.1mpg. Hand calculated. Why?
BTW the computer is high .3 to .7 high, and sometimes on long distances spot on.
PS: above. Doing the speed limit 70-75mph. Intresting that we rerouted our way home to I-10 and the hills west of San Antonio where the limit was 80mph. I thought the mpg would crash, but it was actually climbing. Maybe the engine going from 1700 to 1900rpm put it in the sweet spot?
Just got my 2020 F350 Platinum Wednesday Jan 15 after having a 2019 F350 Platinum (had 24,000 kms). The radio program control screens are different on 2020 which is nice since now the presets can have AM or FM or Satellite all the same screen without having to change "Source". The heated steering wheel button is NOT on the climate screen anymore but I can see it at the top beside the clock on the home screen. Having only driven the 2020 for 2 days now, it does seem to ride smoother even though this particular truck came with the heavy service front suspension which I really did not want or need. The steering wheel feels easier to turn to me on the 2020. I love that the mirrors now "Auto Fold" as soon as I lock the truck. The headlights also seem to be brighter as I am constantly being flashed for having High Beams on when I am Low Beam. One thing I noticed is that as soon I unlock the 2020, I can hear an electrical humming sound coming from under the hood on the front driver's side. The sound does turn off after a few minutes if I don't start the truck. Just not sure why it makes this sound. Possibly the LED lights coming on from being unlocked? If anyone knows, please let me know. The 2020 short box also came with 3 inch hitch receiver instead of the 2 1/2 inch that I had on the 2019 short box. The nice thing about the 3 inch receiver hitch is that the holes are bigger & my trailer safety hooks can now fit in the holes. I had to add 3/4 shackles on my 2019 to accept the safety chain hooks. I still have a few 2 inch drawbars so I had to go get a 2 1/2 inch to 2 inch reducing sleeve. My 2020 came with 3 inch to 2 1/2 inch reducing sleeve. I popped into Ford in Calgary & they GAVE me a CURT 45408 Receiver Reducer sleeves for FREE so I can use all 3 sizes of drawbars now. Keep the videos coming as they are quite informative. I am in Canada, You are in Canada. it would be nice if you could also give us litres/100 km figures instead of just MPG & MPH figures. Thanks.
Kevin Lauzon Hey congrats on the beautiful rig! Yeah I usually give that information at the end of my videos. Again congrats
Hey the auto folding mirrors is there a setting for that?
@@workplaytv Thanks!
Yes, there is a setting for Auto-folding mirrors. The Mirrors must be OUT when you start the process.
The exterior mirrors will automatically fold in toward the glass after you place the transmission in Park (P), switch off the vehicle, OPEN & CLOSE the driver’s side door and LOCK the vehicle by pressing “Lock" on fob or on door buttons. As you probably already know, pressing both bottom buttons on the door key pad locks any Ford vehicle. The exterior mirrors automatically unfold & return to their driving position after you unlock the vehicle. You can switch this feature “on" and “off” through the information display (See page 118 of Owner’s manual.)
In the information cluster above the steering (Not the center display where radio, nav is), navigate as follows:
Setting
Advanced Settings
Vehicle
Mirrors
Place check mark in front of "Auto Folding”
Note: If you use the power-folding control to fold the mirrors on demand and the auto fold feature is switched on through information display, you must use the power-folding control again to unfold them
(See page 99 of Owner’s manual.)
Yes, I had to read the manual cause i couldn't get it to work even when "Mirrors Autofold" was set to on.
The Mirrors must be OUT when you start the process.
@@workplaytv There are a few other things I am noticing as I drive the 2020 more & more. One other thing I noticed right away is the wireless phone charger on 2020 which my 2019 did not have. Not really a big deal with iPhone 11 Pro Max cause my battery has never dropped below 40% after a FULL day of phone use but it's nice that I won't have to worry about the phone charging cord anymore which is USB C on new iPhones. 2019 did not have USB C receptacle.
8:10 I hope I don't come across as too picky but, could you PLEASE remove that hair/fiber from the steering wheel column and provide video proof thereof? It would really help me sleep better.
I'm averaging ~ 19.2 MPG on my 2019 F350 King Ranch, 6.7L Powerstroke with 6 Speed.
Wait. If you remove big tires from 2019, add 1.5 mpg. Add big tires to 2020 subtract 1.5 mpg...grand total 3mpg difference (at least). Swap tires/wheels between trucks and retest. THEN you will have good data. Great videos! Keep up the good work.
Better sell the 2019 before it drops in value overnight!
First off beautiful truck! (both). I don't know about your numbers though, I did a mileage test in my 19 F350 CC (with 6.7L) and I was averaging 18.5-19.ish on the high way doing 65ish mph. My in town driving has gone way down but that's with a 1100lb plow hanging off the front, Fisher Poly Caster salt spreader in the bed and usually in tow/haul mode but still getting around 10mpg plowing and around 11-12mpg just driving.
I’m a diesel fanatic and love the power and mpg potential. However, I just finished a long drive (300+ mi one way) out of town. I drove my supercharged ‘12 Tundra with both pulleys, a tune, 4:88 posi (2wd) 6spd, 32” tall tires (275/55/20), empty bed & weighs about 5,500 lbs. I drove between 60mph and 85 mph with a few spurts to 90 through flat and hilly highway roads. My truck averaged 17.3 mpg on the 22 gallon tank. Around town I get about 13 mpg. It’s very fast and if I beat on it, the mpg will get as low as 11.5 - 12 mpg. IMO if you have a 6 or 10 spd combined with a low rear gear like a 3:73 - 4:88, you can get up to speed more quickly and you won’t lose much mpg overall as the OD helps out on hwy driving. My 6th gear is .54:1 and at 65mph I’m just at or under 2k rpm. Consider a few mods to the big Ford like a free flowing exhaust and a tune and you could see a bump in mpg and slightly better acceleration. The enormous weight of the 3/4 ton diesels (over 8k lbs) really hamstrings the Powerstroke from achieving more mileage.
Oh buddy if these things could breathe they would be unreal on power and mpg. Power is awesome now but mpg would have a huge jump!
I have tested the trans temp on the 2021 6.7L 10 speed 4X4 F-350. The trans temp went to 210 deg on a hard pull but it did not recover on the down hill side of the hill. I let the engine idle for about 20 minutes and the trans temp was still at 210 DEG. I also tested the new 2020 7.3Lgas 10 speed. The results were even worse on the gas 7.3L. Empty the trans temp went to 220 DEG and the recovery time was way to long. I can get the 7.3L trans temp to 240 DEG easy. When it is at 240 DEG the TCM lockes the converter clutch at a low speed giving the pickup a luggie feel caused by the TCC locked up. I think Ford needs to improve the trans cooling system on the 10 speed units. The theory behind locking the TCC down at a lower speed causes the converter temp not to increase.
Good test 👌. Appreciate the math work. Very impressive.
My 2014 averages 16-17 @ 65-70 mph rpm is around the same 1500sh verify similar terrain. Tires are 35 12.50 20 as well which in all honesty were on it when I bought it, will be going closer to stock when I wear through them. Enjoy your videos thanks for sharing.
What do you like driving better? 6 speed or 10? Trying to decide between buying a 2019 or a 20 plus need advice for long term daily
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very interesting! it must be great to have the two trucks to compare! I am glad I've waited for the 2020 model! ( I understand tires and suspension makes a difference but the 2020 looks sweet!)
Thanks brah, I have a 17 150 eco with the ten speed and I’m getting 19 now, but I been thinking about going to get me a 2020 250 I’m thinking the 7.3 gas
Thanks brah for doing all this for us
7.3 gas will get horrible mpg.
Regen for sure on the 2019
Inaccurate. Hotshot drivers report about a 1 mpg or so increase. Besides the larger tires , gearing need to be taken into account. The 10 speed is still having serious problems in cold Saskatchewan winters.
WOW that’s awesome fuel mileage on the 20!!😃👍 Great Video!!
What I'm getting at is the 6 also doesn't shift down if matted, I use the manual alot on hilly roads just to minimize constant up down shifting. Thanks for the comeback
Dave Tarbox Oh yeah for sure. When I am towing with my 550 and I have my excavator behind it I do the same . But I have found with these truck they do tend to find a gear and stick to it pretty well.
Yes I agree, but towing to me is a little different. My toyhauler is around 20k loaded up so I tend to use manual alot, just my preference I guess. I had hoped the 10 speed would be the same cause I intend on a purchase. Thanks have a good one
Just one other thing, I look at all I can find on these trucks and not once has anyone done anything on the manual part of the tranny (that I have seen). Just seems kinda strange to me cause I love that part of it.
I'm thinking you need to looking at getting forscan so you can adjust your speedometer for the tire size. That will eliminate people complaining about consistency.
I'm interested in mpg differences in gas models. The 6.2 vs the outgoing 6.8, and the new 7.3, unloaded and loaded to payload capacity, or with a trailer.
I think the 6.2 and 6.8 would do worse than the 7.3, the 6.2 having to work harder being a smaller, less powerful engine. Same with the 6.8 to a lesser extent, and the fact that the V10 has always drank gas like a big block.
All 3 are good engines, but I mainly want to see just how much better the 7.3 is than the others.
FYI: My 2012 V8 6.2 crew cab is getting 15-19mpg driving 65-55 respectively. Then again I live in rolling Hill country with the occasional flat land. San Francisco to Redding CA. Mixed I get 16. I'm not seeing numbers justifying a trade for ME. Yet. My truck is a summer camping tow rig with long commutes. Plenty of power.
I appreciate your videos and always look forward to the next one. Love the look of your truck . I’m ordering one a little more low key. It’s a F-350 crew cab Lariat 4x4 without the moon roof and the 8’ bed . Should be in the driveway end of February beginning of March. From Loxahachee FL thanks again David
David Pearson Hey man that’s awesome congrats
Ford needs to bring back the Manual Shift On The Floor Four Wheel drive system.
Too bad no 7.3 content but subscribed anyways. Good videos so far!
Great video brother, keep em coming
Those aggressive tires on the 2019 will have a negative effect on MPG v. the highway tires on the 2020. Once you put larger and more aggressive tires on the 2020, don't expect to see those mileage numbers.
The 2020 sits lower also, which helps mpg
Use GPS to track miles not your odometer when you have aftermarket tires ???
So I wonder how much mpg you will lose putting bigger tires on the 2020
Your low tire pressure light is lit up in the 2019. That's going to lower your MPG as much as anything else.
Is that imperial gallons or us gallons? My 2019 platinum with 5000 kms is averaging 13.1 with highway / city driving and regens. So that's 17.95 miles per gallon(US) and 21.56 miles per gallon(imperial). Some trucks are just harder on fuel than others.
13.1 l/100km sorry for missing that.
Blair Walkin this is US gallons.
picking up a new 2021 crew cab Lariat 6.7 TODAY!
Awesome congrats man! Merry Christmas eh! lol
I have a F350, 6" lift, 37s, at 69 mph I get 15 to 16 mpg. City driving I consistently get 13.5, the tires make the difference. Also your TP light is on. It's great the new truck is getting 20+ but comparison is off because of tires.
Rider14 McD Yeah the 19 is just below the pressure that causes the light to come on. I think I will run the test again with the tires swapped:
I want the 2020 turbo diesel. Best truck on the market!
One thing that is also hard to account for with only performing a ~50 mile mpg loop is when the DPF regenerates. I have an F-150 with the 3.0 Powerstroke and can notice the difference in mpg when the DPF regenerates.
Dpf?
Brexton Ridgdell - DPF is the diesel particulate filter. The computer will send additional fuel to exhaust system to raise the exhaust temperatures to burn the diesel soot in the DPF. The computer does this when it senses a high differential pressure across the DPF.
That is some serious improvement on MPG, I see about 1-2 MPG less with AT tires on my vehicle. I would guess they are getting about one MPG with the 10 speed, 1 MPG with the new engine, and one more MPG with the front air dam.
your 2019 gets terrible mileage. could it have been doing a regen. my 2019 250 on a trip like that would be in the 18-20 how much do those tires weigh
Kevin It was consistent the whole run so I really don’t think so. My 250 was always easier on fuel then my 350 for some reason
i wonder if it's the tires.
i looked them both up there's about a 10 pound difference. the general grabbers are 68lbs each vs stock that are 55 ish. but they are also wider which kills fuel and you said you run them a little lower than ford tire pressure right. that's prob about 2 mpg. then they new 10 speed prob bought 2 mpg. but it does seem that your 350 does not get good mileage
Kevin Hey a lot of guys are requesting to swap the tires and do it again so I may have to! Haha
man God bless you put slot of work into this. thanks.
Kevin Hey you bet man. It’s fun for me. As long as I have the time anyway. Lol. It’s all info I would want to see
I’m experiencing the same, an increase of 3-4 mpg, wife and I went outta town yesterday and traveled 110 miles, mostly highway, 20.8 avg, hand calculated. 68mph. Have noticed much lower rpm’s, which leads me to one of my previous stated concerns, in order to keep the DPF clean and properly regenerated, you need heat. The 6 speed kept rpm’s higher thus producing more heat, the passive regeneration was flawless, with lower rpm’s I foresee this being an issue. I was lugging at 11-1200 rpm’s, in town I’m down to 1k rpm, I see the regens being either more often or needing more drive to clean messages in the future around 7-10k miles. Unless Ford is injecting more fuel to keep the heat up, idk, I’m not an engineer, but lugging at 1k rpm’s is a lot like idling, not good, only time will tell, anyway I’m loving the new truck, so far they’ve hit a home run.
Please let us know what is -mi to E- (shown range), after you fill the tank on the 2020
Thank you
Off topic but how is the b&o sound system vs the Sony you would have had in the 17 f250? Pretty much the same?
T Mac B&O Is better for sure
I thing you did a good job on the MPG test.
You saying hello guys, sets off my google assistant on my phone LOL
juddadam2 Hahaha
Great video. I have a 2017. Paid for ya da ya da. I figure if fuel gets to 10 bucks a gallon I might need to trade up. Which considering Truedom and Obiden it might get there soon.
Great info though.
Can you do a measurement on the height difference between the two years. I am hearing the 2020 is lower, better for 5th wheel RV towing. Can't find a 2020 near me to measure myself yet and curious.
Scott Schindler it’s lower
Lasco Ford has a Video confirming the 2020 lower ride height.
Unfortunately it's much lower around 2 in in the rear
@@treadlightlyservicesllc.1930 yeah I'd prefer the taller stance, but when pulling a 5th wheel RV the bed clearance is starting to get tight, while trying to keep the RV level with the truck.
I realize there's a chance the '20 is more efficient, but I'm very skeptical that it's THAT much more efficient. Something doesn't add up.
Justin Luttrell It’s what the result came out to be. Only thing I could do is swap the tires and run it again
Not so fast on the 2019 your low tire pressure light is on. Even a few pound under will make a huge huge difference in mileage. I think the right thing to do switch tires don’t top with air. Then you will have it right. Thanks
That does NOT mean the tires are low. It means the factory tires may need 80 psi and the after market tires run at 50 (perhaps) and the computer shows a fault because it does not know 50 is max for the aftermarkets. My 2015 has had the tire light on since new with (other than factory) tires.
Nick Freyermuth I have had that request a lot so I may have to make that happen.
Nice truck, you look like Drake the rapper.
redd7188 haha what?
Someone tell this guy that Drake is black please
@@scarroll625 so what's your point?
redd7188 this guy isn’t black. Please don’t be obnoxious.
@@scarroll625 who said he was? Again whats your point??
I just drove from Las Vegas to Phoenix, 300 miles with my 2018 Lariat, Michelin stock tires, around 25,000 miles on odometer. The adaptive cruise control was set up at 80 mph.
17.4 mpg was the average when reaching destination. We all agree, that driving over 65 and 70 mph, it is a game changer when comes to gas/diesel consumption. So based on my experience and the test results you had, I am not convinced that the new 10 speed transmission it’s very impressive for mpg. I am wondering what will be the mpg driving back to Las Vegas, with the adaptive cruise on 70 or 65 mph?
Thank you for taking on my invitation on doing the test comparing 6 speed vs 10 speed.
2019 Ford F-250 6.7 4x4 highway speed of 75 mph I can get 20-22 mpg.
How are you liking your 2020 f350. Also how many miles are on it
So far so good. Only like 300 miles
Break out a jack and swap tires/wheels. Let’s see what the tires do to them.
Jay P Yeah I have had that request a few times so I may have to
Wow imagine what a lad could save over a year 🤑
One thing, what is the status of the 2019? Overall mileage and maintenance? Recent oil change or no? New air filter? High mileage i.e worn? That might introduce some issues because, of course, the 2020 doesn't have those. But if it's in reasonable shape and had maintenance done on it recently then that is a huge difference. Thanks!
Alexander McKay new oil change and new air filter. 40,000 miles.
Be careful that it might do a regen during the drive and could affect the "real" results... :-)
13.28 for the fuel consuption numbers.
Please let us know what is mi to E after you fill the tank on the 2020
Thank you
Hey man love your videos just thought I would share some info about my 2019 f250, it's all stock other than going with duratracs (same size as stock) on hwy I get a consistent 10.3 to 10.5 L/100
And I tow a 33 foot travel trailer this past summer my family and I did a 7000km trip (Canada) and we got 20.1L/100 km by the end of the trip . Love the truck she pulls like a train, my thoughts like others is that you may have been in regen just thought I would give my 2 cents keep up the good content take care !
Are the LED’s on the 2020 as bright as the 17-19 trucks? Or are they brighter or dimmer?
Carl Stovall Brighter
So 18.9 with the 7.3, 10 speed trans
14.4 in the 2019 6.2, 6 speed trans
Huh?
Heyyyyloo guysssssssss. Sick videooooo
k9 leads the way haha thanks
Good video
Like your vids, I am curious as to the manual part of the 10 speed, can u hold a gear like u can with the 6 speed?
Dave Tarbox yeah you can pick the top here you want the truck to reach just like before
Hey what are the normal trans temps on your 10speed trans this summer are you noticing it running hotter?
My 2019 F350 6.7 runs low 10's to mid 11's litres per kilometers on the hwy running between 100 and 120 kmphr. Towing I'm between 19 and 21 l/100km depending on terrain and speed. The 19 f350 has comparable milage to my 17 f150, until you compare towing mileage. Then the diesel shines.
How heavy trailer are you towing getting 19-21l/100km?
@@liljeff39 I currently have a 33 ft 5th wheel that weighs loaded 9700. That still gets between 19 and 23 litres per 100. With strong head winds it will climb to 27 liters per 100 km.
When I wrote this post I had a Grey Wolf 23dbh that weighted 7500 lbs loaded.
IF YOU CANT AFFORD A FORD CHANGE YOUR JOB....
Have you given any thought as to what tire you will eventually go with on the 2020?
Tn han There are a few on my list. Have to narrow it down soon!
@@workplaytv Are the Grabber ATX's still living up to your expectations?
Tn han so far so good
Great video!!!!
nice trucks you have
Did you consider getting the F450? If you considered the F450 but went with the F350 could you tell us why?
Also, what gear ratio did you go with and why?
Harald Krueger I don’t have a use for the 450 right now as I have ghe 550 for heavy stuff. The 3.55. You can get a 3.31 and I’m sure it’s great but for towing I like the 3.55
Something is wrong with your 2019 mpg ... I have a 2019 F350 Dually which get worst mpg than SRW’s get 15.3 just around town in a hilly area and 18-19 in Hwy speeds going 60 and I have 4.1 gear ratio in the same cold temps you’re in. Your 2020 is getting the same as my 2019. I just bought a F550 with 4.88 rear I can’t wait to find out what Mpg’s I’ll get with that truck (I’m having it super singled by DBLdesign.com in TX and regeared to 6.17 to offset the 41” tires)
carmas54 Haha that thing is going to be a beast. I have a 2017 550 with 4.88 and tow 32,000lbs with it.
workplaytv so why do you think you’re getting less mpg’s with the 2019, tire size? Btw I use synthetic oil in my trucks. Also I love Nova Scotia ... count your blessings
carmas54 Yeah I think it’s a factor for sure. But even when I had my 250 with 35s my 19 was always 2-3 mpg less than that truck. My 2020 350 is easier on fuel than my 250 was
Are your trucks gas or diesel? If diesel, how much difference would it be with gas? I;ll be buying one or the other in either 350 or 250 later this week and it was perfect timing finding these.
Diesel
Didn’t notice a DEF gauge. Does Canada have emissions (DPF, DEF, etc) for their Diesel engines?
wc pearson sure do and their is
Personally, I don't think it's outrageous that your getting 4 mpg worse on the 2019. Lets take into account - larger, heavier more aggressive tires (more rolling resistance) combined with a more efficient 10 spd tranny. I gained 2-3 miles per gallon going from a 2016 F150 6 speed to a 2019 10 spd. So I don't think it's out of the question to gain a couple mpg and then throw in the more aggressive tires for a couple more?
Just did a 6 hour trip in my 2019 f350 SB. Averaged 18 mpg running 70-80 mph. Only had 1200 miles on truck when starting the trip. My guess is your 2019 tires are making a bigger difference than you’re accounting for. I was also at 50 psi front and 70 psi rear. What were your tire pressures on each truck?
mike ryan 10lbs less in my 19. I may swap the tires and redo the test
That would be great. Look forward to a swapped tire test. Will help me decide on what to do about tires going forward.
You definitely need to swap that front air diffuser with one from a tremor.
Dave Van Etten Agree
Are the mpg readouts you are describing in US or Cdn? 19.8 mpg US is approx 24 Imperial. I know on our Ram the read outs are in US standards. Thks
Brian Campbell US mpg
Coulda went through a regen during your ride in the 2019 which would have for sure killed the mileage
I had the same thinking
The 10 speed is a marketing tool. Rebuild a six speed and a 10 speed. 10 speed will cost twice as much.
Rick Matz How is that a marketing tool? It’s about meeting the engine total potential and the 10 speed does that. Lower gears for towing. 3 over drive gears vs 2 for better mileage. If you haven’t noticed everything is costing more and more it’s how the world works. Better things are made and they cost more.
The extra gears will never give you better mileage. The torque converter is your buffer between gears. Your actually more likely to over heat the transmission with lower engine rpm.
Rick Matz the only way that would ever happen would be if you were hauling a heavy load and you were lugging the truck. You put the truck in tow haul and you will be in the proper gear with the proper rpm. I’d say the engineers are fairly intelligent