Gas vs Diesel MPG Battle: These Two 2024 Ford F-250s Are Unbelievably Close!
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Save some time results = 16.6 mpg for the Gas engine and 19.6 mpg for the diesel on a 110 miles loop !!! Merry Xmas Y'all.
With fuel prices though the gasser was under $20 to fill up, and the diesel was north of $20
It was unwatchable thanks.
@@glacius331 Yeah but if you factor in the difference in fuel consumption into the prices they paid, you get 5.72 miles per dollar for the gas and 5.16 miles per dollar for the diesel. So they are pretty close.
You are the hero with needed but didn’t deserve. I salute you!
@drumanaut sir you are spot on. My experience with gas versus diesel is that diesel is less total cost of ownership and this 100 mike loop is insufficient to make a buying decision. They are getting clicks for their business model and I don't blame them but hardly deep analysis here.
One of them you have to pay $12.000 extra to have the Diesel, plus constant DEF fills and emissions system issues. The gasser costs less to buy, operate, and will go further with less costly maintenance. The Diesel is a much heavier truck which will go through tires and brakes faster, but can tow more weight. The only way I could see someone buying the Diesel is if your pulling a heavy trailer all the time and you have a company to write off the expenses.
Nah the diesel will last 500k miles the def makes the mpg better in the long run
@@qalv97no the def crap makes the engines run worse. Look at any mid 2000s Duramax or Cummins or maybe Powerstroke to see that
The fuel not that long ago was flipped the other way, diesel was less than gas not long ago but I don’t know if it will ever go back that way
@@davidward6670 I know I remember that diesel was $2 and gas $3 probably won’t go back I wish
@@qalv97old diesels yes all these new emission systems destroy trucks
In the last 2 years, I went from a Lariat Tremor Godzilla F-250 to an XLT Powerboost F-150. Both were/are amazing trucks, but I have to say 24mpg in a quick, torquey 1/2 ton is a lot more fun to fuel and drive.
Went from gas to diesel recently. Running light the diesel is slightly better on fuel, pulling my trailer the diesel is 50% better.
That’s because your wallet is Considerably lighter paying for that diesel engine
@@TheMinnow101 troll 😂
No it doesn’t, you don’t have to lie to try to justify your $10k plus option. A diesel gets about 2 mpg better towing
@@Billybob50119 Who’s lying? 7.8 vs 12 mpg
Okay but you have to look at percent of GCWR for the power train.
So for instance on the 7.3 it's right around 26,000 lb is the highest rating. On the 6.7 it's like 43,500 lbs.
If you run them both at 80% you'll find that the diesel actually gets a little bit worse fuel economy.
I bought a 22 6.2 gasser. I tow up to 11k occasionally and 5k daily. Mountains and local roads, always hilly but never fast. Typical speed limit for me is 45, sometimes 55. The truck has been great and I feel comfortable when it comes to reliability. 25k miles in one year of ownership
So I see the appeal of diesel trucks because I see how the owners run them.
They like to run around like they don't have a trailer at all 80 90 miles an hour.
The other thing is is because the diesel engine is the exact same as you get on the ones that can tow 35k+ They have literally an excess amount of power When towing their 12,000 lb travel trailer.
Gasser would suite me fine less maintenance. Andre hope you can test the 6.8l gasser soon.
I hope they test it soon. Very little info on that engine as far as reviews go.
$10k difference in options can buy a lot of gas
Wished the 6.8 was available on higher trims
I truly love my 2021 f350 7.3 with 4..33 I tow a 46 foot 5th wheel camper with it. We have traveled all over the upper Midwest and western states with ease.
If you’re not towing/hauling or driving extremely long distances every other day up to high temps just get the 7.3l gas. Currently have a 6.7l diesel and switching to a 7.3l to avoid the headache of constant regens and higher fuel/maintenance costs.
I went with the 7.3 just for that reason. unless u have to tow over 20klbs there's no reason to get the diesel
I am tempted to switch but I am hoping for a 7.3 gas hybrid. I feel this diesel will last a very long time
you can also delete the truck instead of selling it
Doubt they'll ever make an HD gas hybrid but maybe diesel/electric one day. Only get diesel if you are towing over 20klbs even if your concerned about fuel mileage. I would get rid of the diesel once the warranty is up due to the unreliability of the emissions systems. The 7.3l will last longer with much lower maintenance/repair costs overall. You just have to sacrifice lower mpg with gas which is still cheaper than running diesel long term. @@Rskitalll
I think you can have the ford natural gas kit added and run both gas and natural gas. I would do it but have no fill stations where I live@@Rskitalll
Went from diesel to gas and the only things I miss are the empty diesel pumps when refueling and the sound of the turbo 😂 other than that, I have no need to go back to diesel currently. Can’t see me getting a camper more than 10k lbs now
Not just fuel but oil changes take significant amount more + fuel filters on top of the 13k premium upfront. I really wish they would do a 7.3l powerboost kind of option like the F150 has that would be amazing in a HD truck with pro power on board and ability to get 20+ mpg when unloaded.
Diesel synthetic oil change at Ford is $98 gas synthetic oil is $89 maintenance is really that bad.
@@danielwilliams4473That's less than the cost of the oil itself I don't believe that.
Rotella t6 2.5 is $80 plus $17 for the oil filter. Don't forget to change your $80 fuel filter at every oil change to protect your $8,000 fuel system.
For the gas truck here you can get the oil change special for $40 for full synthetic.
Put twin turbos on this thing. It would be interesting especially now with the Cummins diesel scandal.
Great stereotypical supervisor’s work truck afternoon, driving a bigger than necessary truck, no tool box in the bed, no trailer getting towed, no passengers, driving for a couple of hours getting nothing done.
I live in a small town with nothing going on and I see a half dozen 2022 f250 been used by the city to haul a husqvarna and a leaf blower around all day . Something a side by side could do.
😂 I am a manager in forestry. Everyone laughed when I bought a Ford Maverick AWD. No one is laughing now after 2 years where I’m getting 28mpg and will go most any place the $60,000 trucks will go. If it gets bad I walk and save the repair bills. I spend 1/2 as much up front, half as much on gas, and drive a Lariat trim with heated seats, co-pilot360, etc. I’ll most likely stick with it, the compensation we get only goes so far and replacing a 60-70k truck every 4 years is not sustainable…
@@cle_roknn3742 That’s awesome and a perfect example of buying what will get most jobs done, instead of what so many people, governments and businesses do, over-buying for what might be needed at some point in the future. I don’t have a dog in this fight, as I drive a diesel SUV, which I bought for the 400 mile commute I was doing at one point going into the far north where I had to deal with lots of snow in the winter and unpaved roads. I had colleagues driving full sized pickups getting 12-15mpg, while I got and still get 30-32mpg on the highway. Sure, I had to rent trailers a couple of times when I couldn’t fit something in the back of the SUV, but that was easier than buying something bigger for and paying far more for the couple of times I could have used a pickup truck.
I have a 2023 F-250 XLT with the regular 6.7 diesel and the 3:31 gears. City 17 HWY 22.5. Even with the higher price of diesel I'm still ahead 😁
Great vid! That was a great comparison and something I enjoyed.
Love the sound and grunt of a diesel. I didn't need the 6.4 in my Challenger, but it sure is fun. Life can all be about common sense, if you want a diesel buy one before you cant.
For that matter. Buy the V8 before you can’t also.
@@jabroni6199with the way lawmakers are being yeah you better
I am not a FORD fan but that 7.3L truck is a great truck for someone thats needs more than a 1/2 ton.
I have watched both videos about these trucks, been very interesting. If possible to make happen it would be a good comparison to see this with a GM product and a Ram too.
I’ve owned 2 Cummins and a duramax and I couldn’t believe the reduced cost of just owning the truck (maintenance) when I purchased a brand new 1500 with the hemi. 59,000 miles and all I’ve ever done is get $50 oil changes and 1 new air filter.
My diesels would cost 300-500 every single service. Plus they get the same mileage but gas is far cheaper. Diesels that aren’t towing heavy consistently are trucks for male princesses at this point.
For Aussies 🇦🇺
Petrol
16 US mpg = 14.7 L/100km
Diesel
19 US mpg = 12.4 L/100km
Australian Outback Truckers is one of my favorite shows
One thing to consider in addition to this is the depreciation. The diesel is almost worth the price alone for resale value. The depreciation on a full size gas truck is insane and the diesels hardly depreciate.
If your purchase considers depreciation, you can’t afford it.
Very wrong. There’s a lot of people that won’t touch a used diese with a 100 foot pole!
Tell that to 6.4 and 6.0 first owners
Total cost of ownership is worth considering including depreciation regardless of how much money you have. @@JollyGiant19
Truth I had a 21 f350 that I ran to 100k and sold it for ~10k less than what I paid for it? Did the same for a 22 450 that ran to 30k that I didn't care for and lost around 6-7k
Add the additional cost of DEF, and the likely potential of future, ultra-expensive emissions equipment failures, and the gasser is a far better choice (IMHO), economically speaking.
Those are pretty impressive numbers for crew cab 4x4 3/4 ton trucks!
I would love to see the two gas engines compared if you guys get the chance when the 6.8 comes out. With my commute there is no way I am paying current prices for a new truck every 6 years so my next purchase is a commuter and then either a 6.8/7.3 gas F250 or maybe a 5.0 F150 that will be my weekend hauler for the long run. My 2019 F150 cost about $10K more than my 2012 for slightly less truck and a new truck equal to my 2019 is at least another $10K more. It is ridiculous!
I've always had diesels but i do see the appeal of the 7.3L Godzilla.
Now take them both in for an oil change and see how much the oil changes are!!!!!
Now load them both with a 16k trailer and see what happens 😂
@@Pantelifts10 look back they did already
Unless it’s for warranty, do it yourself and save hella money. Before I moved into my house I had no choice but to take it to the dealership who charged me damn near $200 for fuel filters and an oil change. Now that I do it myself it’s about $90 and an hour of my time. Aaaand the dealership, at least mine, doesn’t pre fill the oil filters.
@@Pantelifts10 not much difference really. A couple mph on the steepest hills and that’s it 👎
@@d.williams6891The oil alone for the 2006 Duramax is $120 plus the filter...... It has the same oil change time as my gasoline big block but that took $46 in oil.
A real world contribution I was headed up to PA from NC all highway anywhere from 60-80mph with a few traffic spots. The one trip meter I reset was 420 miles at 17mpg. With numbers like that and with the things I tow I’d never get the diesel
finally, thanks. I love the IKE but i live in FL so the only hills I see here are in the movies. Awesome video thanks.
9:51 That is a very underrated comment. That’s what scares me the most about modern diesels is the repair costs once the warranty runs out. DEF system, fuel injection system, etc….. those are not cheap compared to maintaining a gas motor off warranty.
Yeah exactly. For a price of a set of injectors alone on the diesel you could buy a gas long block and have it installed....
For the cost of the DPF you could buy two gas long blocks.
I have a 2020 F350 dually with the 6.7 and when I use the Eco Mode, the reduced power is very noticeable, but I really don't notice much difference in fuel mileage. Great truck by the way!
I ran a 5 hour run in my 21 350 diesel (can't remember how many miles) I was 21 mpg in eco with aggressive tires on a lariat extended cab long box and tow a 17k 5th wheel average 14-15.5 with that
On a good day I can get 20mpg, towing the camper (GCVW is about 30,000) we can average about 9 mpg. Crew cab dually by the way.@@chuckchillson2877
The price difference between the optioned motor is increasing as well as the price difference between fuel. I remember when it was only 20-50c difference and now i normally see 1-1.50 difference. You have to get so much better mpg just to break even on fuel cost.
Diesel fluctuates more in price than gas. Keep that in mind.
In my calculations, owning both diesel and gas HD trucks, diesel is only about 10% more expensive on a yearly average.
In reality, there other costs you must consider, well beyond just fuel.
@@AkioWasRight Of course but if you can't break even on fuel your definitely not on maintenance
@@elijahcavin2408 What makes you say that?
I have diesels and gas trucks in my fleet, and the diesels with exhaust brakes are actually cheaper to maintain. The diesels require EGR and DEF servicing and few other diesel specific services, but brake pads tend to last longer due to exhaust brakes, there are no tune ups, and diesel engine oil in bulk or at business pricing is actually cheaper than regular gas engine oil.
@@AkioWasRight Oil changes cost more, fuel filters need replaced more often, emissions will mess up at some point whether it's when you own it or not. Replace a turbo or injectors. Once it's out of warranty it will need replaced or fixed either way very expensive. I have a diesel, love them but I probably won't be buying a new one personally. I have a small diesel I'm having to fix now, much more complicated than my pre emissions truck. If I had to pay for everything to be serviced or fixed it definitely wouldn't be worth it.
@@elijahcavin2408 That's just ignoring most of what I said. And the points you're making are just entirely dependant on the individual case.
I'm not a leisure owner, I put hundreds of thousands of miles on trucks for work, and I have every cost detail for the past 10 years. Just in brakes alone, the saving is the tens of thousands per turck. It has been much, much cheaper to operate diesels.
Darn SavageGeese
Illegal immigrants
If you put an empty box in the back of a gas truck drops fuel mileage by 50%... if your 250/2500 is more than a fashion statement get the diesel and hold on to it for 20 yrs.
Been happy with my 7.3 F350. I tow small things alot and a 12k lb fifth wheel 3-5 times a year long distances
I don’t know how you simulate this consistently, but it’d be nice to see a combined city-highway loop comparing similar vehicles. What happens to fuel economy of each engine when you’re doing stop-and-go?
They both fall the single digit fuel economy because they're big and heavy so you end up constant accelerating and then slowing them down.
They need to redo this towing a trailer
@@kevingeezy5176 they did with the Duramax.
I switched to a 2020 7.3 and haven't looked back. I occasionally haul 16k trailer and 17k boat on weekends and truck does everything just fine. Way less maintenance and at 70k on the odometer been trouble free with the exception of a battery. I will be ordering a 2025 F350 with a 7.3.
Not sure i agree with folks claiming diesels are so expensive. Having owned a couple, I can honestly tell you that the initial cost difference was addressed when I sold the vehicles as they brought thousands more than my used gas trucks, and they sold much faster.
Second, the fuel costs went up and down on diesel, so as long as i was able to get about 4 mpgs better on the diesel, the fuel cost difference was negligible.
I had no more problems with the diesel than the gas, so maintenance wise, the ONLY difference was the price of oil changes and filters.
I dont disagree with all your comments, but the broader statements of much higher expenses with diesel versus gas trucks were not outcomes on the Excel spreadsheets on which i tracked the total cost of ownership.
The problem with the internet is that folks repeat what they hear.
For reference my diesel trucks included older Ford 7.3, a newer Cummins in a ram duelly and a 3.0 Duramax in a GM half ton. Thanks and Happy Holidays and pray for peace.
When Nathan started singing Queen I lost it LMAO!!! Great video guys. Thanks for the laugh to start my day Nathan
Laugh? I was impressed!
I had a F250 with a 460 and the 5 speed and I got 16 mpg on the highway but if I had my camper on or if I was driving in the city the mileage dropped to at best 9 miles per gallon. I have a Duramax not and it is pretty good for mileage, much like the diesel on the video.
Great video. I was looking at Super Duty or regular F150 as well as gas versus diesel to pull a 36' RV. So far, we've not pulled the RV that much. I chose the F150 gas. I'm happy with my decision. Your advice on constantly towing I think is spot on for the diesel.
How heavy is the 36ft camper? Not being mean, but 36ft is pretty big for a f150 gas. I have a 21 f150 3.5 tt hybrid and pull a 2017 grand design image 2800bh. On paper, my truck can pull 12,700 pounds. In real life, that would be dangerous. I have a rule of thumb of giving myself 4-5k pound leeway for safety. Especially going in the mountains.
Pulled a 3170bh 9500 lbs with a 09 F150 5.4l. It did it safely but not comfortably. I now have an 2020 f350 6.2 that does much better.
@@danielwilliams4473 8K+
@@danielwilliams4473 Zero problems with my Powerboost Platinum.
The other thing that they didn't add was DEF expense. I will show my age, but in the old days, diesel made sense because of the difference in mileage and the difference in lifespan of the engine. Now with DEF and all the emissions crap, diesel being higher than gas and maintenance costs, its hard to justify diesel unless you are heavy towing very regularly. I also googled life expectancy of both engines. The answer was over 200k for the 6.7 and over 300k for the 7.3. So cheaper to drive, lower maintenance and equal to great lifespan of the engine makes it kind of a no brainer if unless you really tow heavy and often.
15:06 “Let’s fill you up” “Yeahhh” 😂
Sold my Ram Cummins to buy a Godzilla and have been more than happy with it, tows my 9k trailer great here in the Rockies of Colorado, less headaches and less to worry about with the emissions plus the faster warm ups are nice on these cold days. Now if I was towing a lot more often and or more weight the diesel would make sense, but for me and what I do this Godzilla is the best bang for the buck in my opinion. Would really like to see a similar comparison with two identical trucks, both tremors or xlt or what ever same gears tires and only difference being the engine. My 2020 is very similar to that tremor, 3.55 gears, 35 inch tires, no chin spoiler, but a gas and I can only wish for that 16mpg Andre got lol
Awesome video! Did they have the same gearing ratio?
No. Diesel has 3.55. 7.3 has 3.73. Wish they would test 4.10
If the gas truck had filled up with 87 octane like normal and the required minimum octane by Ford it would have cost a little more than the diesel even with the cheaper price.
It might have even gotten a bit better MPG as well
Gotta price in the 15,000 it’ll cost you when that 6.7’s Bosch cp4 detonates and needs a full rebuild 😂
They make different pumps now you can swap them
14:09 I see a half torn "I did that" sticker! 👍
Diesels are cool and very good for lots of towing or regular long highway driving, but for my use case I don't think I can justify the added upfront and maintenance costs. If I were to get a heavy duty pickup of any make right now I would definitely lean towards that Ford with the 7.3.
Well, the one thing we should point out is that this circuit was 90%+ highway. For those people driving more city/hilly areas the diesel likely would have outperformed the gas to an even greater extent. Unloaded highway difference is always the closest between diesel and gas... And of course, if you're towing alot, diesel is a no brainer. Unloaded highway for most usage it's a no brainer - go with the 7.3
My 8.1 big block got 9 MPG in the city. My LBZ gets 10.5
One will not have def and def emission system problem within 3 years and the other won’t.
You only did a short loop, so DEF fluid was not included, so that adds even more to fuel cost. You can buy a lot of gas for $12,500 - say $3 average per gallon - 4,000 gallons x 16 mpg = 64,000 miles worth of driving. Factor in the extra cost of Diesel fuel and DEF, would add a lot more miles before the extra cost paid for itself.
Unless you are towing 20k lbs, you
use about 2 gal of def every 5-7k miles. Its not that big a deal cost wise. It is however a pain to have to do in the 1st place. My 6.7 avg around 14.5mpg loaded how i use it for work.
Not to mention the likelihood of major mechanical issues as soon as you make up for that $12,500 difference.
@@FlyingAceAV8B yep this is too often overlooked. Have a co-worker who just spent 2400 bucks getting 2 sensors replaced and the truck doesn't even have 100k miles on it yet. 2400 for sensors!!
The EPA ruined diesels with all the emissions not worth it unless you haul heavy loads
This is why inhave a 6.2 for my work truck. It didnt make sense to incur all the additional costs plus excessive regens with a city driven truck. I see 2-3mpg difference between my 6.7 diesel personal truck that i use to tow mainly.
Are you guys going to be testing the Ford 6.8 l V8 anytime soon
Have y’all tried a mpg test with and with out the air spoiler rock scraper on the front yet? Wondering how much it helps.
Do those new HD Fords have adaptive cruise control? When do you think they will put Blue cruise on the HD trucks? or supercruise on the GMC HD trucks?
I have both adaptive cruise control & adaptive steering on my 19 F350 Lariat 4x4 6.7 SRW LB. I’m sure the new SD have those options. Went from gas to diesel and wouldn’t go back.
Great video. Wathing from Turkey :)
I've got a 2022 7.3 F350 and the big question, as alluded in other comments, is depreciation. That's a bit of a research project, but I think TFLT should look into it. I would prefer to see a 5 year, but the 7.3 has been out long enough to do a 3 year look.
A 2023 F350 4x4 single rear wheel with the 7.3L V8 and 4.30 rear end can still tow like 19,500 lbs, according to Ford. Over 21k lbs via the fifth wheel/gooseneck. If it's not a dedicated tow rig where you're towing heavy nearly every time you're in it, the V8 is 100% the way to go. Unless you just hate money or absolutely _need_ the extra range, there's not really a reason to go diesel. But diesel bros are crazy. They'll tell you they absolutely need their diesel to go to the grocery store or get a handful of 2x4s every once in a while.
i have a 24 6.7 with 3.31 gear i get 20 mpg around town, and i live in the mnts of western ma . this is my 3rd 6.7 . it pulls like a beast,well worth the money. its a lariat crew.
Just bought a new f150xlt calculated mileage yesterday in canada we use L per 100km I see ford posts mpg on the dealer sticker with a UK gallon not American gallon what do you use?
I’m in South Louisiana, and we pay for E 85 about three dollars a gallon if not more or diesels between four and five dollars a gallon
I only have one smallish trailer. The "not stuck" factor is bigger for me. So far (fingers crossed), I'm happy with my 2023 5.0 F150 Tremor. It gets better mpg than my 02 Taco (which has never been stuck that I couldn't unstuck by myself). Only time will tell if that pans out for the Ford from all the other perspectives. Peace, Love!! Oh, and I'm getting better mpg than either of those (by a lot) and I've never engaged Eco Mode. But to be fair, it is a half-ton truck.
I own the last diesel I’ll ever buy. I bought it new in 2017 and will keep it until it dies, but it will for sure be the last one.
I want Ford to give an option f250 crew cab short bed 5' on the shorter wheelbase. F150 is too soft, and I want to mount a truck camper but have the same shorter turning radius as the extended cab 6ft model
I would like the same with chevy 6.6 duramax and 6.6 gas . Both with same rear ends and tires as I'm interested in switching my duramax to the gas model.
When are you guys going to review the SRW f350 that elevation of grid lent you ?
Prior to Covid, diesel had a price advantage which translated into a distance and efficiency advantage. Now diesel is extremely expensive. I think we need to investigate why diesel became more expensive since it requires less refinement to produce. TFL crew maybe this is a future episode for informing truck buyers
“Prior to Covid” 😂😂😂😂 diesel has been more expensive for damn near 20years now and it is also taxed at higher rates than gas…
@@thecamdenyard 2009 it went way up....
Its because the rest of the world uses more diesel for regular vehicles especially Europe winch has caused the price to skyrocket
@@seanthe100there is zero reason’s for the US to import crude oil!!! We have more crude oil here in the States than just about anywhere else!!! . So who’s profiting off all the crude oil we import ??? 🤔. That’s the real question !!
ive had the 6.7 power stroke and was getting nearly 20MPG back in 2020.
the gasser would be fun tho.... exhaust mods particularly :)
I have been on the fence of going to a 7.3 and I want to drive one with a 5star tune and maybe even a supercharger with my 15k lb tow hauler.
Not sure about others but I certainly wouldn’t want a louder than stock exhaust system if I were towing for any 3/4 ton sensible frequency. Maybe someone makes one with a cutout or diverter valve for the different uses but I think for me there’s not enough to justify the cost of a system.
Not sure why people think they need to buy a whole system exhaust these days. What happened to the days of cutting out that huge muffler and and welding in a flowmaster (etc) in its place. U can buy two mufflers for about $100 and pay your local shop to plumb it; maybe even weld on a fancy tip.
It's amazing how much fuel prices differ from state to state. In my rural Oregon county 87 octane gas is $4.39, diesel $4.89.
We use getgo gift cards for Home Depot, bought all new appliances, discount at the pump for 29 gallons three times…$00.00 per gallon!
Getgo is changing their discount in 2024😂
Right?!? Central TX
$2.50/reg and 3.40/diesel…it’s a tough pill to go diesel around here as there’s no break even point.
Thanks for the video I’m still a diesel fan regardless but without the emissions cause they do destroy engines in the diesels
Now factor in that while towing the diesel loses a higher % of MPG than gas. Add in that diesel costs more per gallon than gas in most of the country. Add in that diesel has fuel filters that must be changed every other oil change. And toss in DEF fluid which has gone up in cost also. GAS WINS.
An HD diesel loses a more fuel economy than a gasser does when towing? I haven’t heard that at all, in fact I’ve seen diesel do much better than a gasser would when loaded down.
As stated in another comment, if you figure in resale, the $12k pays for itself right there. Diesels retain the value. Used ones go for crazy prices.
If TFL at the end of the next new gas vs new diesel comparison do the math to see how many miles it would take to recoup that $12k, I think that would be pretty good.
Ignoring all the extra diesel related costs you are saving $200 per 10k miles (diesel $1727 vs gas $1923) with the 3mpg savings countered by 90 cents fuel cost. So 600k miles = it will never happen.
The diesel doesn't start to save money unloaded until somewhere past the 1 million mile mark because of the increase maintenance costs
on fuel savings alone (which isn't really how that works) It's 600,000 mi....
Did each have a bed cover? You proved that had an effect on MPG awhile back.
So if you amortization the 12500 that comes out to roughly 240 more per month. Also that def fluid and more expensive maintenance . Only advantage is raw towing power. Also I sincerely doubt the diesel will grossly outlast the gas. I did notice that the gas bill was less at the pump , there you go.
Do the same test with the smaller 6.8 gas engine
I’d like to see that too, though my guess is that the 6.8 likely doesn’t get appreciably better fuel economy than the 7.3.
@@phantom0456 Yep. Expect the 6.8l to get little to no difference in mpg difference than the 7.3l. The older 5.4l and 6.8l trucks on a good day empty on the highway you could see .5mpg more mpg with the 5.4l. The 6.8l makes no sense, it is no cheaper to make than the 7.3l. Ford just wants to screw the customer out of over $2k to upgrade to the 7.3l.
My company got me a 2500 bighorn diesel. Between fuel and ease of towing the diesel is a no brainier for a work vehicle but a good gas motor can get you along.
6:22 surprised that made the final cut. "talk to 19 bit... people" lol
Great video. Everyone is all excited about 1200 lb ft of torque. Folks due to drive train components and duty cycle, you dont get it in all gears or all the time. thats why loaded these trucks are fairly close.
I recently traded a 2018 Raptor for a 2023 F350 FX4 Lariat Ultimate with the 7.3 gasser and 4.30s because I needed a bit more towing capacity and a lot more payload than my Raptor allowed, and my Raptor was still holding a pretty good resale value. I opted against the diesel for all the reasons typically mentioned. I saved 12k up front. I’m currently only towing about 8500lbs, with about a ton of payload. That could go up to 12k soon but definitely no higher than 14 (truck is rated for 18.2)
I am very happy with this engine. It pulls strong, the 4.30 rear end minimizes excessive downshifts. At sea level it feels about the same as far as raw piling power as the 3.5EB. At elevation the 3.5EB probably has a slight advantage. But I know the 7.3 can handle that load all day every day without issue. Not so sure the EB would be happy being under that much boost for hundreds of miles at a time. Unladen MPG was better on my Raptor. Towing MPG better on the 7.3. I do wish it had a larger tank though. Not sure why it only has a 34g tank while my Raptor had a 36. I would think there’s room for at least 40+ especially since the truck is at least a foot longer.
If you would have bought a long bed, you'd have a 48 gal. Tank.
@@AK_Ray i know. Don’t want a long bed though. Just wondering why they didn’t make use of the added length on the short bed compared to the 5.5 footer on a F150
I have a 2022 F-250 with the 7.3 and 4.30 rear, long bed crew cab. Pulls 15,000 lbs in the flat lands just fine. But, empty with no trailer on I only get about 14.5 MPG on highway run. That's ok, it was bought to work and it does that fine. 48 gallon tank lets me pick my fueling spot and I save money that way.
I’m in the same predicament right now looking to buy a truck to haul my fifth wheel. We go camping on the weekends going back-and-forth if I want to buy a diesel or gas what’s your thoughts?
My 2001 7.3 Power Stroke, 4-Speed Gets around 15 mpg, but as soon as I hook up my 16' Enclosed trailer loaded or empty its a straight 10 mpg @ 70 mph
try a tremor 7.3 vs a tremor 6.7 with the same gear ratio then it will be a fair and accurate result
My ‘19 f150 has 36gal 3.5tt. Any where from 720 to 920 miles. Depends on temperature, head on wind and speed.
The Eco mode don’t do jack in 250’s imo. I tried in different ambient temps and elevation, between normal and Eco. Still averaged about 16mpg on my 6.2L.
Those cobra chickens lol 😂
I want to see the F150 Power Stroke. Saw some in Phoenix. . . I want one!!!
Diesel all day if you're towing often and heavy. You'll spend more money buying it but also the resale on diesel is much higher. A lot of people seem to forget this fact
And you’re forgetting the associated downtime with running diesel trucks because of the DEF systems. Not to mention there inherently more expensive maintenance costs. There’s a Super Duty for just about every one. But diesel is not the end. I’ll be all. There is a reason why they sell a ton of 7.3L powered trucks. But yes if you tow heavy weight often, then it’s a no brainer.
But you never bring up anything the resale value the higher upfront cost will also result in a higher value at time of trade. And it’s usually close to the upfront cost difference
I mean as it should be the vehicle's more expensive.
But I don't normally see that. I'm not seeing trade-in values for a 4-year-old truck where the diesel's commanding $15,000 more at trade-in.
You also have to consider that you're per mile cost is substantially higher on the diesel because of The double cost to the oil change (despite having to be changed just as frequently), The DEF, and the fuel filters.
In 1992 and 2005 there were no extra charge for a diesel engine and my 92 3/4 ton 4x4 5 speed manual was $ 19500 and the 05 4door long bed dullay long bed and a Larmie 6 speed manual and manual 4x4 selector was $ 36000 and I think the Big 3 are taking advantage of us buy charging us for anything they can !
Diesel. My 2024 Silverado 3500 weighs over 8k pounds. I pass cars like they are standing still. Not everything is about fuel economy and towing. The torque with a diesel is a game changer. Going up hills feels like a car going down a hill. Pure power and acceleration.
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I liked the geese and dinosaur clip...Since birds are basically dinosaurs.
One of theee best looking trucks out there for sure
Lol🤣🤣🤣 not even close..... horrible fender vents... rear bumper steps look horrible unlike the gm trucks..... The Gm trucks are so much better looking
Gas also decreases MPG as you load the engine and start to tow. Where diesel engines generally don’t loose much MPG even when towing.
In this application a diesel may not be necessary for the average buyer that primarily commutes however in the GM half ton segment getting a 3.0 diesel over the 5.3 or 6.2 makes more sense
How so?
@@k_c1429 I think it's because the 3.0 gets substantially better fuel economy versus the 5.3 or 6.2. So even if diesel is more expensive, it's really still saving a bit of money to run the 3.0.
The wet belt for the oil pump will cost $2,500 dollars to replace on the 3.0 diesel. With the extra cost of diesel being more than a dollar a gallon plus having to buy DEF and more expensive oil changes the diesel doesn't make any sense.
@@madtownguzzi sure though it does have a 200k service interval I believe.
So I tow/haul almost every day for work but it's with a 1700 lb enclosed trailer that never has more than 2000 lbs loaded. Would you suggest the gas or diesel f250?
Don't get an f250, get a gmc or ram 1500 with the little diesel. You'll get much better mpg.
would you say the geese are maybe a bit savage?
Wow. 93 Mobil & Shell is $2.93/gal here in Dallas. Costco is right around $2.48/gal for 93 octane.
Cheers guys
Not that close in my opinion the diesel did far better, also hook them up to a trailer first their HD pickups lol
yes yes, the diesel was far better at reducing the weight of their wallets then the gasser....
There is no question towing/hauling with a diesel is a more relaxed experience but you pay a premium all the way around. New gas trucks make way more power and tq than coveted diesels like the 5.9 and 7.3. Anything over 10-12k lbs I would probably get a new diesel. Under than gas all the way.
What about the extra cost of the little blue cap and what it cost per mile?
Running empty my 2020 6.7 uses a 2.5 gallon jug of DEF between 4K and 6k miles. Pulling my 5th wheel it goes through a jug about every 1200 miles.