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The MiG-19 is such a beautiful aircraft to fly. Incredibly stable and a superb dogfighter. After completing my training on the MiG-21, I'll learn how to fly these. I've only gone "full throttle" through the Caucus mountain range so far in 19 - but I'd love to simulate the 1967 Israeli Mirage 3 vs MiG-19 air to air combat scenarios.
The F-5 was actually able to give the f-14 and f-15 hell and demoralized their pilots when they started dissimilar training. No pushover is right, something to be said about being light and tiny.
Growling Sidewinder yea it’s old but still maneuverable. You couldn’t build a fighter that small and light today (1/2 the empty weight of f-16) since you’d want all sorts of advanced avionics and a larger payload etc.
dundun92 100% agreed - I was referring to 1977 when both Tomcat and Eagle were new and tactics haven’t been developed for them and pilots weren’t experienced just yet. Both achieved a kill ratio of 2:1 eventually despite being demoralized and dominated initially.
Are y’all aware the airforce uses f-5’s to train DAC with F-22’s. Just watched both types fly out into the gulf. It’s a very capable, maneuverable platform that’s cheap to operate. Much love for the T38/F-5. Wish they had made the F-20
I do think that sort of out-of-left-field weirdness would work for hypoxia, at least. Hypoxia's main effect is massively reduced brainpower - it's hard to even solve a children's puzzle if you're 10km up - so something to distract the player should produce similar results.
As my cousin who was a Fleet Air Arm Sea Harrier pilot said to me "The guy who wins in air combat has usually done so because the other guy did something to lose it".
@@notaveragecr6041 su-27 would love to know the tomcats the eagles and vipers.. not saying the su27 would be superior but the su27 looks like a cross between all three.
Mike Gee that's some junky article. ''South Vietnamese air force’s 522nd Fighter Squadron, in 1975. Hanoi generously provided the F-5 to the USSR for evaluation.'' ''The data from the F-5 tests apparently contributed to the development of the MiG-23''. MiG-23 made first flight in 1967 and entered service by 1969.
Love that after losing the stabilizer, you not only remain in the fight, but maintain your focus where many would panic and lunge into a desperate "all-or-nothing" gambit. Even though odds were against you, you correctly saw your BEST chance - however slim - lay in patiently waiting for whatever opportunity might present itself before your otherwise likely demise. Bravo!
I have watched some pilots that flied in F4 and they said it was really bad in Vietnam war because it only had missiles. And later they introduced models with cannons. I am not sure which version was worse. If anyone have any information i would be thankful :) I really liker F4 in BF Vietnam 😁
@@DIABULUSKIRA The F-4C variant is one the most widespread and produced variants of the phantoms, that did not come with any type of cannon but instead all missiles.
Nice! Reminds me of that legendary Vietnam dogfight between F-4 pilot Phil Handley and a MiG-19 that ended with him taking the MiG down with guns at Mach 1.2 (the only supersonic gun kill in history). That would pretty cool to try and reenact some day if we ever get the F-4 in DCS.
Love, love, LOVE so much your channel and what you do. I'm pretty much a lurker but I pop up once in a while usually to offer a big THANKS for specific things. In this case, I want to thank you for spelling out specifics like DACT. First, your doing so in-video gives me an immediate understanding of what you're talking about, and then when the video is over it gives me enough info to Google it for further detail. Please keep doing that. You are aces!
Steven Crider hey brother thanks so much for that comment. I appreciate ur support, really cool to hear people are enjoying these videos. I hear u loud and clear and I'll continue to do this kind of stuff in the future thanks again.
You started to have more turning success later on at low subsonic when you turned tighter rather than the transonic beginning because you took greater advantage of the Mig-19 small turn radius.
According to the book Fighters by English aviation author Mike Spick, the F-5 was evaluated in Vietnam under the program Skoshi Tiger. F-5 was neither Skoshi (fast) or a tiger. Good job, GS!
haha u talking about mover? nah I never fought him. would be cool as hell tho, not sure he'd be interested tho I duno. i'd love to take a mig29 up against a real f18 pilot tho.
Yea he seems cool hes just really strict about using "real" fighter tactics for tactical privacy reasons. Long story short he cant reveal real u.s. fighter pilot tactics on camera even in a simulation.
This is one of the Best Videos and DogFight Tactics 101 produced by GS ! Forgive me since I have only seen a few yet. Beautiful sturdy highly Swept wings. Another aircraft the Chinese copy of which was highly modified and successfully deployed by PAF. with 8 to 11 kills including superior Mig21 and Sus, apart from the havoc they generated in the ground support role. UNreal how you lined up the Kill with one hstab! 0.o D: Crazy Skillz!
@@GrowlingSidewinder thank you, sir! Hey, are you on discord? There is a thing or two I'd like to chat, Baltic Dragon#1987 (or other means like FB page or ED Forums would work) if you're available!
Love how you know how to keep constant vision on him, even if his gone from you screen... do you have any plans on making a video on how to improve spotting and keeping an eye on your target during dogfight/chasing someone from 8-15nm away.. without using any modern ACM modes?
HoLyzPiNoyZ that's an interesting idea man. I'm not sure how I'd go about doing that but I'll think about it. If I can figure out a way I will do that. I use to struggle with that as a new comer too might be very helpful
You are doing the best MiG-19 videos so far. Do you plan to show off the MiG-21 as well? I am interested in how you use the radar in those older aircraft.
I play a mobile game called warwings, and overshooting is one of the moves I use to out maneuver anything even slightly faster than me. If the enemy doesn’t decelerate in time, they are torn apart. If they do, I force a stall out and restart the process until it works. I typically fly and yak-9u, armed with two 12.7mm(.50cal) and one 37mm aircraft cannon. Using this tactic, I can outmaneuver spitfires, other yaks, and N1K2J(Japanese fighter). It is especially useful against the few jet aircraft in the game (it has ww1 and ww2 planes) because due to there high speed and low maneuverability, they will over shoot me and be unable to shake me. Now, if you have read this far and don’t already know how to force an over shoot, here is how: if the enemy is directly behind you, slow down to close the distance and pull up. Do not slow the speed so far that you stall out, low off the air brakes just enough to not stall. If the enemy doesn’t decelerate themselves in time, they will over shoot you. If you can’t kill them out right, you can damage there tail and destroy them from there. If you have read this far, thank you for doing so.
I think Scissor is to create an opportunity to have him overshoot while you keep your energy going high lo, but the danger in the first reversal turn is if he anticipates it and it helps him get a fire solution.
You should change the difficulty to medium at least. Looks like the F-5 wants to get hit intentionally! Great videos btw, always enjoy your channel. Please put more F-14 videos.
How is the MiG-19 a year later? I did just buy it after trying it out during the current COVID-19 DCS month of free trials. The Cockpit quality really stood out for me when comparing it to the other Russian planes. Those thunder- cannons are a fun change too.
schumifan78 ya I don't think so man it wasn't easy keeping it in the air like that. I think the damage and flight model are actually fine based on my testing/flight time in her
Should model it in X-plane and see if it stays aloft. XP flight model is pretty good and written by an actual aerospace engineer. Would be a fun experiment.
F-5 was able to position himself better, before fight started, also Mig-19 didn't used air brakes when he needed it - that lead to wrong positioning for the Mig and let Mig to overshoot F-5, which F-5 uses to snapshot and hit Mig-19 (fortunatly he didn't destroy it, just rip half of tail), arter that Mig player took it serios and started to do all he can, that lead to abillity to get on F-5 back (ore rather got F-5 to overshoot from speed), but still he strugle to get position for shot. He told that all in Tacview.
@@alzl9026 sure, the second part about MiG19 being able to get on F5 rear.. that just doesn't happen with a missing fin, unless F5 intentionally wanted to get killed ..
Why is it DCS AI aircraft always seem to not only go vertical, but have unlimited energy while doing so? Granted my skills are subpar at best but it it seems like it happens every time.
In all the years flying (virtually) I've learned one thing: The Mig 23s in BMS are all aces regarding energy management. I'll be very happy when DCS gets the Mig19 Mig-23 and F-4 :)
Nice video. I can see what's going on. Yes, I think the AI model is so unrealistic that it invalidates most dogfights. Try flying the Mig-19 against a MiG-15 or an F-86F. Can you beat the MiG-15 every time? Or does it put up the same level of fight that the F-5 did? If you were challenged by the F-5 enough that it got some gun hits on you, I don't see any way that losing a stabilator could improve your situation. I think you would have lost control of the MiG-19 and went down...in a real aircraft. I could be wrong. I think it was a good fight up until the Mig-19 lost it stabilizer. Then it should have been over. On the other hand, having been hit by one or two 20mm rounds...would that have taken off your stabilizer? The damage modeling should be improved. A 20mm round is either going to punch through the aircraft--unless it hits armor plating or an engine--or explode on contact, depending on the type of round...I would think. If it hit an engine, that would likely ruin the engine or reduce its power...either one would mean you would lose the fight unless you could escape the engagement. If it took off a control surface, same ending, I think. But the visual damage modeling looks like you've been peppered with 7.62mm or .50 cal machine gun fire! :) If you take multiple cannon hits, I think you're either losing an engine, losing hydraulics, losing fuel, on fire with progressive fire damage, losing a flying surface, losing a critical load-bearing structural member, suffering significant increase in parasite drag, or losing the pilot. Any one of those means you are out of the dog fight, I think. When the aircraft takes structural damage, it likely can't stay in one piece at the same limits of load factor and airspeed. I don't think that is modeled at all. You hit the F-5's wingtip. Why is it on fire? The F-5 carries no fuel in its wings, only fuselage tanks. A little bit of "arcade gaming" showing there. :) Anyway, it's like flying against an F-5 converted to an autonomous drone. But that's not so bad. Improve fuel consumption model, damage model and perhaps the energy modeling and it would be pretty darned good. The other thing is fuel. That was 10-1/2 minutes of ACM. A clean F-5 likely used at least a 3rd of its fuel just getting to the fight. Having to stay in afterburner for that long?... it would need to leave soon or it's not going home...meaning it lost. I'll have to test that out. I don't know about the MiG-19, but I expect it had a similar fuel problem. Unless your bases are within about 75 miles of each other, which wouldn't be likely. I don't think the AI flight models burn fuel at power dependent rate. I think they use fuel at a near constant rate no matter what power setting they use, no matter what altitude they fly...and a very thrifty rate, too. How can an Su-17 fly 100 miles back to base at 500-feet AGL and 150 kts using afterburner to climb over every hill...after having made 10 strafing runs and taken a AAA hit that left it trailing fuel all the way home? But the 'player' flight model considers all these things pretty realistically. All these DCS 'player' aircraft seem very well done in systems, flight models, and visual models...I love flying them. But the AI and the damage modeling is lacking. Same with surface anti-aircraft AI units. If a 500-lb bomb explodes 100 yards from an open mount ZU-23 AAA, I don't think the gun operators would fair well. But in DCS, they not only survive with light damage, they keep firing...accurately. It should distract them from aiming for 10 seconds at the very least, just from the force of the blast wave, not to mention supersonic steel fragments out to at least a 1000-foot radius. Anyway, just my 2 (x10) cents worth. :) Nice to see the MiG-19, though. Now, if someone would make an F-100C or D as well. The F-100 had the same M39 revolver cannons as the F-5---only twice as many. About the same combined rate of fire as a single M61 Vulcan. About the same gun sight and radar as the F-86F, it appears.
Very good dogfight, the F5 it's not an easy target for a MIG 19 and much less without an stabilizer, but it's a sturdy plane and with a good pilot and those 30mm cannons... it can be a problem; the F5 it's so agile that in a dogfight it's always a problem, even when it haves a cristal jaw.
great work Hoss! You mention exiting the scissors there, would like to see how in your opinion, the best way to do that would be, maybe a vid on it perhaps. by the way how did she land missing some tail?
Tim Munroe I actually didn't land it lol. I really wanted to try but I was afriad too much gameplay would curropted the track and I wouldn't be able to make the video. So I didn't try it. Really wanted to tho.
As far as losing the elevator, the plane should be wanting to roll and yaw to the left very hard every time you use the elevator, and it's turning rate and radius should be hugely negatively impacted. In fact if you tried to pull any king of serious G, it would run the risk of stalling out big time
Thanks for your videos they are really interesting :) When you were both on the deck I thought Great ! We can see who will win a sustained turn with burners on. I would like to know which plane is better at this. But you chopped throttle and gave him your six :( Maybe you have already tested which plane has better sustained turn? I just wanna know which plane has better sustained turn on the deck and which plane is faster on the deck... Can one plane out turn and the other out run? When you do these anything goes dogfights you are mainly testing the skill and experience of the pilots. I think most of us want to know the relative performance of the planes. You could just do a sustained turn and see who comes out on 6 . Then do a race to see who accelerates faster and who gets to the top speed. Test the planes instead of testing the pilots. I suspect you are more experienced pilot than your Tiger and Mirage pilots. I hope that comes across as constructive criticism .
Wish that DCS would add the F-4II. Then we could see an even match between East and West with the MiG-19. Were you able to land without the stabilizer? Also, on the merge, could you have done a tight Illiman to bleed of some speed and line up on the six?
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Yeah I have a feeling their mig 19 is overperforming based on it's performance against the F5 which should be much more maneuverable
The MiG-19 is such a beautiful aircraft to fly. Incredibly stable and a superb dogfighter. After completing my training on the MiG-21, I'll learn how to fly these. I've only gone "full throttle" through the Caucus mountain range so far in 19 - but I'd love to simulate the 1967 Israeli Mirage 3 vs MiG-19 air to air combat scenarios.
I would love to see a Mig 15 go against an F4 Phantom on this channel, I’m sure you could make it work.
"The MiG-19 is not good at pulling it's nose up."
What nose?
isn't very good at pulling its gaping maw up
@@Bigglesworthicus 😂 😆
*loses right horizontal stabilizer
"this is fine"
SiaarZH hahah only in a mig mate
Trim it out.
Mig: Tis just a scratch
F5: A scratch? Your horizontal stabiliser’s off!
loses right horizontal stabilizer...
- "R2D2 can you fix that?"
That's why there's two....lol
The F-5 was actually able to give the f-14 and f-15 hell and demoralized their pilots when they started dissimilar training. No pushover is right, something to be said about being light and tiny.
Jeff Shapiro ya I feel like it's underestimated cuz it's a 60s plane
Growling Sidewinder yea it’s old but still maneuverable. You couldn’t build a fighter that small and light today (1/2 the empty weight of f-16) since you’d want all sorts of advanced avionics and a larger payload etc.
dundun92 100% agreed - I was referring to 1977 when both Tomcat and Eagle were new and tactics haven’t been developed for them and pilots weren’t experienced just yet. Both achieved a kill ratio of 2:1 eventually despite being demoralized and dominated initially.
Hence F16?
Are y’all aware the airforce uses f-5’s to train DAC with F-22’s. Just watched both types fly out into the gulf.
It’s a very capable, maneuverable platform that’s cheap to operate. Much love for the T38/F-5. Wish they had made the F-20
Instead of just a "blackout", the simulators should display strange hallucinations of SpongeBob singing with Elvis on a surfboard.
Yes yes yes 👌🤷♂️ why not
I do think that sort of out-of-left-field weirdness would work for hypoxia, at least. Hypoxia's main effect is massively reduced brainpower - it's hard to even solve a children's puzzle if you're 10km up - so something to distract the player should produce similar results.
@@Derpy-qg9hn you mean like spongebob singing with elvis?
@@Derpy-qg9hn also, correct me if im wrong, but blacking out isnt hypoxia, thats redout isnt it?
GOOFAY-GOOFAY-GOOBAH!
As my cousin who was a Fleet Air Arm Sea Harrier pilot said to me "The guy who wins in air combat has usually done so because the other guy did something to lose it".
I have the Mig-15 and the Mig-21. I will not buy.... oh how glorious it looks.... Must have the Mig-19!!!! Great job, Razbam!
MiG-19...most bad ass looking airplane in our galaxy......^^
@@mikeromney4712 *F-14 Tomcat would like to know your location*
@@notaveragecr6041 su-27 would love to know the tomcats the eagles and vipers.. not saying the su27 would be superior but the su27 looks like a cross between all three.
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@@notaveragecr6041 f 18 super hornet would like a word with you
This is Western propaganda, komrade. The F-5 was in fact our heroic MiG-28 belonging to the glorious USSR.
haha yes yes my apologies comrade i duno how I fell for such obvs western propaganda.
Mike Gee If I were in a Russian aircraft I would hope the most reliable and advanced thing in it is the ejection seat.
*coughbullshit*
You were in a 4G inverted dive with a mig 28?
Mike Gee that's some junky article. ''South Vietnamese air force’s 522nd Fighter Squadron, in 1975. Hanoi generously provided the F-5 to the USSR for evaluation.'' ''The data from the F-5 tests apparently contributed to the development of the MiG-23''. MiG-23 made first flight in 1967 and entered service by 1969.
Love that after losing the stabilizer, you not only remain in the fight, but maintain your focus where many would panic and lunge into a desperate "all-or-nothing" gambit. Even though odds were against you, you correctly saw your BEST chance - however slim - lay in patiently waiting for whatever opportunity might present itself before your otherwise likely demise. Bravo!
haha "this will also be a durability test for the mig-19 I guess". love your videos. Cool to hear and see the more technical ideas and moves.
DCS is missing planes from the 60s ! Can't wait for the F-4E !
The FlightSim Boy same man, f4 is one of the planes I've been waiting for big time
I want an F-111
I have watched some pilots that flied in F4 and they said it was really bad in Vietnam war because it only had missiles. And later they introduced models with cannons. I am not sure which version was worse. If anyone have any information i would be thankful :) I really liker F4 in BF Vietnam 😁
Diabuluskira F4 E was the one equipped with 20mm canon.
@@DIABULUSKIRA The F-4C variant is one the most widespread and produced variants of the phantoms, that did not come with any type of cannon but instead all missiles.
Nice! Reminds me of that legendary Vietnam dogfight between F-4 pilot Phil Handley and a MiG-19 that ended with him taking the MiG down with guns at Mach 1.2 (the only supersonic gun kill in history). That would pretty cool to try and reenact some day if we ever get the F-4 in DCS.
From being on the ropes and injured to comeback and get the knockout great dogfight awesome plane great vid
thanks man, glad you enjoyed it.
That was a very nice dogfight and the cinematicks were awesome
george Χαριτος thanks man glad you enjoyed
Solid video! Nice job staying in the fight! "It ain't over until it's over..."
brilliant loved the action... dramatic stabilizer bit was intriguing to watch till the end - good dog fight
The plane that pretends to be a mig got killed by a mig... Sweet flying bro
That was so intensive. Great video , keep going!!!
Brazil still uses the old f5's. We have the F-5 BR, a modernized version of it. With lcd cockpit and everything. Really cool.
Love, love, LOVE so much your channel and what you do. I'm pretty much a lurker but I pop up once in a while usually to offer a big THANKS for specific things. In this case, I want to thank you for spelling out specifics like DACT. First, your doing so in-video gives me an immediate understanding of what you're talking about, and then when the video is over it gives me enough info to Google it for further detail. Please keep doing that. You are aces!
Steven Crider hey brother thanks so much for that comment. I appreciate ur support, really cool to hear people are enjoying these videos. I hear u loud and clear and I'll continue to do this kind of stuff in the future thanks again.
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@@Gosub315 thanks brother I appreciate that. means a lot.
You started to have more turning success later on at low subsonic when you turned tighter rather than the transonic beginning because you took greater advantage of the Mig-19 small turn radius.
Very interesting. Will have to rememeber when defending
According to the book Fighters by English aviation author Mike Spick, the F-5 was evaluated in Vietnam under the program Skoshi Tiger.
F-5 was neither Skoshi (fast) or a tiger. Good job, GS!
“Sukoshi” means “small”.
It perfectly shows how important a pilot training is!!
Amazing dogfight! Intense and nerves breaking. Loving Mig 19!
igorkratka thanks buddy glad u enjoyed
I cannot believe you pulled off that kill with a missing stabilizer. Good show!
5:59 i love the juxtaposition of what he's saying vs how calm he is. "This is fine"
TF2 Heavy while eating sandwich and flying without a right stabilizer:
"F-5 IS PUNY AIRPLANE!!!"
7:02 Soviet attitude lol. That was a pretty intense tussle.
Man I wish they had built the F-20 Tigershark. Lol
Great video.
nice work man your videos are always rewarding
ffefh hr r thank you man
Never realized how cool the Mig-19 looked.
Amazing fight! I tought for a moment that you weren't going to be able to pull it off. I'm glad I was wrong 👍
xanvavy deff got lucky with it boss thanks for watching
@@GrowlingSidewinder 🙂✨
You ever fly against that real F-18 pilot? I think that would make a great video, you in any opfor aircraft and him in the F-18...EPIC
haha u talking about mover? nah I never fought him. would be cool as hell tho, not sure he'd be interested tho I duno. i'd love to take a mig29 up against a real f18 pilot tho.
Yea he seems cool hes just really strict about using "real" fighter tactics for tactical privacy reasons. Long story short he cant reveal real u.s. fighter pilot tactics on camera even in a simulation.
ACE14341991 which makes total sense lol I'm sure he doesn't want to do any jail time haha
@@ACE14341991 imagine smoking some kid in DCS and then having the airforce knock down you door for exposing classified tactics
This is one of the Best Videos and DogFight Tactics 101 produced by GS ! Forgive me since I have only seen a few yet. Beautiful sturdy highly Swept wings. Another aircraft the Chinese copy of which was highly modified and successfully deployed by PAF. with 8 to 11 kills including superior Mig21 and Sus, apart from the havoc they generated in the ground support role. UNreal how you lined up the Kill with one hstab! 0.o D: Crazy Skillz!
Thanks brother glad you enjoyed it
An amazing kill for an amazing fight.
Speachless
Nice flying, it was good fun to watch!
Thanks Baltic. Really appreciate it man. Love ur work btw. Keep it up brother.
@@GrowlingSidewinder thank you, sir! Hey, are you on discord? There is a thing or two I'd like to chat, Baltic Dragon#1987 (or other means like FB page or ED Forums would work) if you're available!
Baltic Dragon ya I'm on discord my man I'll hit u up.
2 of my favorite jets going at it. Awsome!!
There is an old saying about MiG19. If you can fly MiG 19 you can fly anything.
Impressive what you did with a broken Mig.. Bravo!!
Nice flying man, holly shit, my heart was pounding, lol
I believe the 19 was the first Soviet built fighter to make supersonic. Wasn’t nearly as popular or prominent as the 21 though
Good kill. Great ACM you did.
Love how you know how to keep constant vision on him, even if his gone from you screen... do you have any plans on making a video on how to improve spotting and keeping an eye on your target during dogfight/chasing someone from 8-15nm away.. without using any modern ACM modes?
HoLyzPiNoyZ that's an interesting idea man. I'm not sure how I'd go about doing that but I'll think about it. If I can figure out a way I will do that. I use to struggle with that as a new comer too might be very helpful
You should swapping aircraft in the VS videos as I suspect a lot of the wins are due to pilot skill...
You are doing the best MiG-19 videos so far. Do you plan to show off the MiG-21 as well? I am interested in how you use the radar in those older aircraft.
thanks man, ya i'm really interested in learned the mig21 too. its a nice little bird
Russian technology: "I've lost my entire right horizontal stabiliser. That's okay. I am fine."
There’s a relatively famous fight between a Mig-19 and an F-4 in Vietnam. Might be interesting to see that.
the Mig is way higher tech in the cockpit than I anticipated
That's what I thought so, lol.
“Oohh there goes my full right horizontal stabilizer.”
Now it’s a stock. KILLS left hand turns. ⭕️
I play a mobile game called warwings, and overshooting is one of the moves I use to out maneuver anything even slightly faster than me. If the enemy doesn’t decelerate in time, they are torn apart. If they do, I force a stall out and restart the process until it works. I typically fly and yak-9u, armed with two 12.7mm(.50cal) and one 37mm aircraft cannon. Using this tactic, I can outmaneuver spitfires, other yaks, and N1K2J(Japanese fighter). It is especially useful against the few jet aircraft in the game (it has ww1 and ww2 planes) because due to there high speed and low maneuverability, they will over shoot me and be unable to shake me. Now, if you have read this far and don’t already know how to force an over shoot, here is how: if the enemy is directly behind you, slow down to close the distance and pull up. Do not slow the speed so far that you stall out, low off the air brakes just enough to not stall. If the enemy doesn’t decelerate themselves in time, they will over shoot you. If you can’t kill them out right, you can damage there tail and destroy them from there.
If you have read this far, thank you for doing so.
F5 is such a good aircraft the military uses is cousin the T38 to train fighter pilots
I’m getting an strong Area 88 vibe from this video
What a Nice fight!
And love those slow-mos
thanks man glad u enjoyed
Curious why you never seem to take the american plane in these kinds of matchups
Simply put, the US does not design modern fighter aircraft for dogfighting with guns only.
I think Scissor is to create an opportunity to have him overshoot while you keep your energy going high lo, but the danger in the first reversal turn is if he anticipates it and it helps him get a fire solution.
Another great video man! Thanks!
my pleasure man thanks for watching
Daaaaamn you so good
You should change the difficulty to medium at least. Looks like the F-5 wants to get hit intentionally! Great videos btw, always enjoy your channel. Please put more F-14 videos.
A M thanks man. The AI is just dumb lol that's mostly why i moved over to real PvP for most videos.
the F-5 put more effort in the fight than the mirage. great video
ashkan Hooshmand thanks buddy ya the mirage kinda just rolled over lol.
Hi, what kind of view (keyboard shortcut) do you use at 0:08-0:35? Thx
How is the MiG-19 a year later? I did just buy it after trying it out during the current COVID-19 DCS month of free trials. The Cockpit quality really stood out for me when comparing it to the other Russian planes. Those thunder- cannons are a fun change too.
Very cool!
Wasent the f5 used during training in the film top gun?
Damage/aerodynamics model needs major overhaul if you can win a dogfight missing an entire horizontal stabilizer!!
schumifan78 ya I don't think so man it wasn't easy keeping it in the air like that. I think the damage and flight model are actually fine based on my testing/flight time in her
At that point the Tiger should have just held a sustained turn and the Mig19 could not have competed with him.
Should model it in X-plane and see if it stays aloft. XP flight model is pretty good and written by an actual aerospace engineer. Would be a fun experiment.
Great footage.
Great video!!
Rom Shadmon thanks buddy
Did you successfully land that Mig? With the damage would you still be able to land?
Why is it that the F-5 went into easy mode after it hit your stabilizer? or is that a model issue with the MiG?
My thoughts exactly..
F-5 was able to position himself better, before fight started, also Mig-19 didn't used air brakes when he needed it - that lead to wrong positioning for the Mig and let Mig to overshoot F-5, which F-5 uses to snapshot and hit Mig-19 (fortunatly he didn't destroy it, just rip half of tail), arter that Mig player took it serios and started to do all he can, that lead to abillity to get on F-5 back (ore rather got F-5 to overshoot from speed), but still he strugle to get position for shot.
He told that all in Tacview.
@@alzl9026 sure, the second part about MiG19 being able to get on F5 rear.. that just doesn't happen with a missing fin, unless F5 intentionally wanted to get killed ..
The MiG19 is just so damn cool looking to me!
Where is the landing with one stabilizer ?
Awwww man.. the fact theres only 2 bursts of ammo. is just sad. :( i want this model, but that ammo.. makes just everything more appealing
Were you able to land successfully with one stab?
Most underflown plane in DCS?
one of the best pilots players on DCS:
GS, love your vids, but can you please scrap the static-y cuts in the video? Thought my sound card shat itself.
hoilst I duno what ur talking about mate can u give me a time stamp to give an example
that's some starwars technology right there
“So you gotta be really gentle when you pull your nose up.” But pull your nose up regularly. It pulls up your double chin up.
Why is it DCS AI aircraft always seem to not only go vertical, but have unlimited energy while doing so? Granted my skills are subpar at best but it it seems like it happens every time.
cuz theyre dumb ai so they gave them this buff in an attempt to have them put up a fight? lol i dont know man, I also find it very frustrating.
In all the years flying (virtually) I've learned one thing: The Mig 23s in BMS are all aces regarding energy management. I'll be very happy when DCS gets the Mig19 Mig-23 and F-4 :)
Nice video. I can see what's going on. Yes, I think the AI model is so unrealistic that it invalidates most dogfights. Try flying the Mig-19 against a MiG-15 or an F-86F. Can you beat the MiG-15 every time? Or does it put up the same level of fight that the F-5 did? If you were challenged by the F-5 enough that it got some gun hits on you, I don't see any way that losing a stabilator could improve your situation. I think you would have lost control of the MiG-19 and went down...in a real aircraft. I could be wrong. I think it was a good fight up until the Mig-19 lost it stabilizer. Then it should have been over. On the other hand, having been hit by one or two 20mm rounds...would that have taken off your stabilizer? The damage modeling should be improved. A 20mm round is either going to punch through the aircraft--unless it hits armor plating or an engine--or explode on contact, depending on the type of round...I would think. If it hit an engine, that would likely ruin the engine or reduce its power...either one would mean you would lose the fight unless you could escape the engagement. If it took off a control surface, same ending, I think. But the visual damage modeling looks like you've been peppered with 7.62mm or .50 cal machine gun fire! :) If you take multiple cannon hits, I think you're either losing an engine, losing hydraulics, losing fuel, on fire with progressive fire damage, losing a flying surface, losing a critical load-bearing structural member, suffering significant increase in parasite drag, or losing the pilot. Any one of those means you are out of the dog fight, I think. When the aircraft takes structural damage, it likely can't stay in one piece at the same limits of load factor and airspeed. I don't think that is modeled at all. You hit the F-5's wingtip. Why is it on fire? The F-5 carries no fuel in its wings, only fuselage tanks. A little bit of "arcade gaming" showing there. :) Anyway, it's like flying against an F-5 converted to an autonomous drone. But that's not so bad. Improve fuel consumption model, damage model and perhaps the energy modeling and it would be pretty darned good. The other thing is fuel. That was 10-1/2 minutes of ACM. A clean F-5 likely used at least a 3rd of its fuel just getting to the fight. Having to stay in afterburner for that long?... it would need to leave soon or it's not going home...meaning it lost. I'll have to test that out. I don't know about the MiG-19, but I expect it had a similar fuel problem. Unless your bases are within about 75 miles of each other, which wouldn't be likely. I don't think the AI flight models burn fuel at power dependent rate. I think they use fuel at a near constant rate no matter what power setting they use, no matter what altitude they fly...and a very thrifty rate, too. How can an Su-17 fly 100 miles back to base at 500-feet AGL and 150 kts using afterburner to climb over every hill...after having made 10 strafing runs and taken a AAA hit that left it trailing fuel all the way home? But the 'player' flight model considers all these things pretty realistically. All these DCS 'player' aircraft seem very well done in systems, flight models, and visual models...I love flying them. But the AI and the damage modeling is lacking. Same with surface anti-aircraft AI units. If a 500-lb bomb explodes 100 yards from an open mount ZU-23 AAA, I don't think the gun operators would fair well. But in DCS, they not only survive with light damage, they keep firing...accurately. It should distract them from aiming for 10 seconds at the very least, just from the force of the blast wave, not to mention supersonic steel fragments out to at least a 1000-foot radius. Anyway, just my 2 (x10) cents worth. :) Nice to see the MiG-19, though. Now, if someone would make an F-100C or D as well. The F-100 had the same M39 revolver cannons as the F-5---only twice as many. About the same combined rate of fire as a single M61 Vulcan. About the same gun sight and radar as the F-86F, it appears.
Victory with only half a tail, but a win is a win.
Everytime you say "Oh, I see him..." and I think I see him too, it turns out to be a speck of dirt on my monitor :(
Yaaaa really wish RUclips didn’t compress it like it does
Yeah, same here 😔
Very good dogfight, the F5 it's not an easy target for a MIG 19 and much less without an stabilizer, but it's a sturdy plane and with a good pilot and those 30mm cannons... it can be a problem; the F5 it's so agile that in a dogfight it's always a problem, even when it haves a cristal jaw.
0:48 Just say Top Gun or Red Flag.
Version were used as trainers and with the Thunderbirds Flight Demo teams.
great work Hoss! You mention exiting the scissors there, would like to see how in your opinion, the best way to do that would be, maybe a vid on it perhaps. by the way how did she land missing some tail?
Tim Munroe I actually didn't land it lol. I really wanted to try but I was afriad too much gameplay would curropted the track and I wouldn't be able to make the video. So I didn't try it. Really wanted to tho.
could have shown a landing with that stabilizer missing
Nice shot with no right stab!!
Good Job, Well Done, getting the Win with a Wounded Bird. Those Russia Build things Russian Tough, which makes Ford Tough look Weak.
As far as losing the elevator, the plane should be wanting to roll and yaw to the left very hard every time you use the elevator, and it's turning rate and radius should be hugely negatively impacted. In fact if you tried to pull any king of serious G, it would run the risk of stalling out big time
Pretty darn cool!
Loved the vid man 😎 jet looks so agile and unique! Was this live commentary?
Ryan Tongs yes sir I do all the videos with live commentary
I see that the piper doesn't glitch out in turns like mine does. Hmm, I really don't know what to do at this point.
no way that aircraft would fly like that with 1 stabilizer every time you pull on that stick it would roll uncontrollably
When aerodynamics says :"you can't fly with half plane missing" but russian engineers says :"why not?"
Is the Mig 19 in afterburner the whole time? How long would it be able to keep that up?
Thanks for your videos they are really interesting :)
When you were both on the deck I thought Great ! We can see who will win a sustained turn with burners on. I would like to know which plane is better at this. But you chopped throttle and gave him your six :( Maybe you have already tested which plane has better sustained turn?
I just wanna know which plane has better sustained turn on the deck and which plane is faster on the deck... Can one plane out turn and the other out run?
When you do these anything goes dogfights you are mainly testing the skill and experience of the pilots. I think most of us want to know the relative performance of the planes.
You could just do a sustained turn and see who comes out on 6 . Then do a race to see who accelerates faster and who gets to the top speed. Test the planes instead of testing the pilots. I suspect you are more experienced pilot than your Tiger and Mirage pilots.
I hope that comes across as constructive criticism .
How do you control ur camera so well ?
Iranian Pilot Shot mig 25 with f5 , Great plane
12:27 You're not gonna scratch my paintjob again
Doesn't the mig-19 have like the double power to weight compared to f5?
Epic!!!
Wish that DCS would add the F-4II. Then we could see an even match between East and West with the MiG-19. Were you able to land without the stabilizer? Also, on the merge, could you have done a tight Illiman to bleed of some speed and line up on the six?