I like how in the books, even though Brienne beats Jaime here, she admits to herself that if he hadn’t been exhausted, malnourished, dehydrated and had both hands tied together, he’d have absolutely BODIED her
@@feris2137 what does it matter. powerscaling Jaime like this is kinda weird to me. This aint anime where the strongest dude is just imune to everything because hes the strongest. Still, Brienne also is just that good. As the books show at multiple occasions
It's a shame they didn't display just how powerful Jaime really was as a swordfighter in the books. In the books, he almost killed her before his condition caught up to him.
Yeah it makes sense. Although she might be aware he is severely weakened and ill let alone chained she doesn't take the chance he's easy to beat initially.
@@runtergerutscht4401 They did the same for Jaime and Barriston, never really acknolwedged how good they were supposed to be. Also Loras too just became a joke character when he was supposed to be quite a skilled fight too.They did well with Oberyn and Arhur Dayne at least. In the book it was clear that Jaime lost this fight because of his condition, although he did still underestimate Brienne thinking he wouldn't need to be at full strength. In the show it's really just a whole girl power thing, she just wrecks him. We never see Jaime's skill, even against Ned Stark it seemed quite even and he only killed Jorl Cassel by cheating.
@@AVerySillySausage yeah. But only so much you can do when your actor didn't train swordfighting ten years in advance. When someone plays an instrument, you can at least edit the acoustics to make it sound right. No such luck with swordfights, unfortunately. The other option would've been to make all the fight scenes highly edited, but I'm glad they didn't do that.
@@MrThonyfst Yup. I loved the actor. His early sneering, coupled with his later introspection, made him my favorite character on the show. We all have our weaknesses.
I'm pretty sure we can put that one down to the actors not having the first clue about swordfighting. The whole fight in general is just terrible from that perspective...
The problem was that Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, despite being a good actor, wasn't remotely convincing as an elite sword fighter. They probably wanted to put in more fight scenes but saw how unathletic and uncoordinated he looked.
This makes Henry Cavill so impressive. He is an actor with no sword experience either and his fights in The Witcher looks absolutely amazing like a real skilled swordsman
In the books, Brienne is completely outmatched by Jaime even in his condition. Jaime was the best swordsman alive during the events of Asoiaf. Barristan might have stood a chance against him in his youth and Arthur Dayne was long dead.
Exactly, even chained and imprisoned for a year and malnourished he stalemates her and is close to beating her. They end up wrestling because she couldn't beat him with sword in hand, despite being stronger. She later confirms it in her thoughts that he was brilliant and that no swordsman alive could have taken him out in his prime. But in the show they just have her deride him as being worse than him.
Jamie: "Never understood why some knights felt the need to carry two swords." Brienne: "One's for killing monsters. The other? For killing humans." Geralt of Rivia: *Onlooks the scene with approval*
Christian so much betraying ned stark thus throwing the 7 kingdoms into a civil war so much fucking his sister too produce 2 inbred terrible kings. so much making bran a cripple there for slowing down his journey to the three eye raven likely leading to the death of several people.
In the books: " Brienne remembered her fight with Jaime Lannister in the woods. It had been all that she could do to keep his blade at bay. He was weak from his imprisonment, and chained at the wrists. No knight in the Seven Kingdoms could have stood against him at his full strength, with no chains to hamper him. Jaime had done many wicked things, but the man could fight! His maiming had been monstrously cruel. It was one thing to slay a lion, another to hack his paw off and leave him broken and bewildered." Thanks D&D, I hate u really.
@@JacobGrim Of course its ok to have him lose under these circumstances....really no one has an issue with that....what many of us have a big problem with though is the fact that this was just terrible totally emasculated Jamie and this was literally his last hurrah before losing his hand, in the books this plays out very differently Brine and him fight for some time and she says it took all she had to keep him off of her and sorta win in the end even with Jamie in that bad condition/shape/state after 1+ but of course in the show they dont understand that you can in fact have a strong women character without tearing down/humiliating a supposed to be strong male one, but this is well the era were in and this type of bs is infesting media just across the board, so the issue was the execution I mean in this version not only was this not even remotely a challenge for her at all its even easy a total one sided humiliation/mockery to Jamie, and thats simply not how it went in the books at all...so thats deliberate I have to assume as usual there bs ideology/agenda overrode actual good writing in this instance because what other explanation is there? and again yes some liberties from the book in any series are to be expected but this was a flat out revision and terrible once again total humiliation, exact opposite of how this fight/duel was in the books....captivity
@@JacobGrim I personally and I know most dont feel this way or think I'm crazy even after all the insanity we should all have witnessed by now past few years just in general, but anyways point is I despise when ideology or propaganda or an agenda overrides or even outright replaced entirely good writing and development and etc. And this was one of those times, making this scene how it played out here and not even trying to make it in the books simply makes no sense and has to serve only one purpose ....to show "feminist empowerment" using male emasculation- to do it. That is all this was there is simply no other way to interpret such a drastic and frankly not good change, I cant imagine anyone preferring how this went here over how it was in the books, also in the books both come out looking amazing brine says something along the lines after recalling there duel/battle" his speed and technique were very impressive and intimidating even after being in chains and starved and etc for over a year he could still take on and defeat most around even as he is right now! and there fight was very admirable and high level by both, in the show she literally humiliated him 1`00 percent no challenge even a little bit she may have been dueling fricking Podrick for frucks sakes, then when they talk about it in the show recall scene she again humiliates him by saying" maybe you were that good and fast..once" or maybe you were just hyped up...doubling down on the emasculation and humiliation of course, again literal polar opposite/flat out revision of how this actually great fight scene/duel was actually in the books, and I get it I'm not trying top be " oh yah well in the books" kinda guys I'm not lol but no one can reasonably argue this is better then that or even close nor can they really argue against why they chose to change this because that is obvious enough.
It's a pity we never get to see Jamie's true potential as a swordsman. This fight and the one against Ned were only minor scuffles, and the only scenes where he has both hands.
Nahh they keep 180ing him, they destroyed all that character development in season 6 and 7.And Theon is unrecognizable, they didnt develop his character they just made a new one out of their arse
I love Jaime's reaction as he gets a feel for the sword at 0:37 like meeting an old friend again after being apart for so long. Martin is such a brilliant but cruel writer, maiming the greatest fighter of Westeros after all the pain he'd already had to endure. His skill was only thing that was truly his own and he has it stripped away from him.
@@runtergerutscht4401 one video is 100times more reachable than 100 dialogues. Casual audience who didn't read book doesn't give a shit about Jaime. Even ned stark and bronn are better for them
@@Kratos7686 "casual" audience still picked up on the many hints dropped, at the very least. Like the look of relief on that one knight's face (the one who gets killed by Bronn a couple minutes later) when he finds out he doesn't have to fight Jaime Lannister
Yep and the only other real fight against Ned stark gets interrupted. But it’s cool at least we got to see Ser Barriston fuck shit up lat… oh wait, he died to a handful of no namers carrying kitchen knives..
As someone who was an athlete and then spent 10 months in a hospital bed this is 100% realistic. Your cardiovascular and muscles deplete remarkably fast when you don’t use them constantly. I was shocked how fast I lost muscle and got out of breath walking up one flight of stairs. I went from 198 to 127 in 10 months. I also wasn’t eating food though.
"He was weak from imprisonment, and chained at the wrists. No knight in the Seven Kingdoms could have stood against him at his full strength, with no chains to hamper him. Jaime had done many wicked things, but the man could fight! His maiming had been monstrously cruel. It was one thing to slay a lion, another to hack his paw off and leave him broken and bewildered." Quote from Brienne in the books about Jaime in this scenario. edit: jfc its been 3 years, stop commenting on this shitty quote you losers.
@@josepabloceniceros3483 Also Jamie was not interested in killing Ned either, just wanted to kill the men with him and give him a warning to free Tyrion.
@@truelegend816 the Dayne fight was so bad. Fighting with two swords sounds awful. Dayne had a brilliant longsword that was possibly even older than valerian steel blades. Sword of morning. In the show he swings some random crap and dies ugh.
I always remembered how Jamie was feeling out the sword before engaging. He was a master swordsman who hadn’t held a sword in a long time + was a prisoner; you could see the relief and satisfaction of holding a proper weapon again. I dont think it was bcos he could finally escape or kill Brienne, it was bcos he was just so content at wielding a sword again. Sad to think his hand would later…
In the book Brienne admires how a malnourished and chained Jaime Lannister can fight that well. And she's thankful he's not unchained. She had brute force him when she realized she's not Besting him in swords play. She later urges him to keep living when he gives up on life after he lost his sword's hand.
You know you're good at swordplay when the person in full plate armor is intimidated by you when your in rags, in handcuffs and probably in poor physical conditon after being a prisoner.
@@alphanerd7221 Bruh. No. Plate armor is definetly an advantage when it comes to duels. Before you reply, No. Plate armor does not slow you down No. It is not that easy to stab someone through the gaps of armor, especially a trained knight No, you cannot stab or slice someone through the plate like in Hollywood, plate armor is not sheet metal No, you are not going to roll around and dodge like in Dark Souls and tire the knight out.
@@xxxxxx5868 "No. Plate armor does not slow you down" Well that is grossly false. "No. It is not that easy to stab someone through the gaps of armor, especially a trained knight" No but it's easy to beat the crap out of them. Swords aren't really about cutting people. They are just an effective way to beat the crap out of people the sometimes cuts them. It's easy for someone not in full plate to tire out someone in full plate. Why would you roll around? Just back away from their sword hand.
@@alphanerd7221 Plate armor doesn't slow you down, or atleast it's not the big difference you think it is. The weight is distributed throughout your body. "easy to beat the crap out of them" I'm assuming you mean maces, mordhau, and warhammers. Ok first of all. It's not that easy. Second of all, on a 1v1 duel, a well trained knight will very likely know how to counter attacks from blunt weapons. They've literally been training since the age of 7. And third of all, and I hope this isn't true, if you're talking about beating the crap out of a knight with the actual blade of your sword....tell me again how that is not an advantage to plate? If you hit an unarmored opponent once, he goes down, but with plate, he can take multiple hits. "just back away from the sword hand bro" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Knights have been literally training since the age of 7. It's likely he'll be the one tiring you out rather then the other way around 😂😂 Especially since he only needs one good strike at your flesh vs you dodging and weaving and trying to hit him multiple times in his armor lmfao. Real life isn't GoT and you're not Oberyn or Bronn dawg. Even then, the only reason they won was because they're opponents had grossly overly heavy plate, it was explained in the novels. Edit: "bro plate armor slows you down bro just dodge and parry bro" ruclips.net/video/qzTwBQniLSc/видео.html ruclips.net/video/q-bnM5SuQkI/видео.html
@@xxxxxx5868 You started out with the same unsupported lie and thought I would read further. You are ignorant and redundant and I'm not interested in winning this argument again.
For me, this is the only scene that actually makes it properly feel like Jaime is the best swordsman in Westeros. As other people noted, we dont get to see him ever fight a “real” fight at his peak, but the way Jaime acts with the sword while seriously disadvantaged, and the way Brienne reacts to him getting the sword and being 100% on guard makes it feel real. Like he really is the last person you would ever want to fight in a duel. The only time in the show it is ever Shown rather than just Told to us, and it was done beautifully. Superb acting done by both, and excellent choreography for the fight.
Yes, he is on his last legs in regards to malnourishment, exhaustion along with cold and soaked through, hands tied up. The amount of handicaps he has here stack the odds very much against him. He tried, because he's used to finding an advantage. But Brienne deserves her props. She is a total bruiser, able to best The Hound when he was at peak performance level and without any hindrance to his abilities. I actually quite like Jaimes implied capabilities. The way his armour, sword and reputation represent his past achievements. Sometimes not seeing someone being lethal, but knowing they are is more scary.
@@victorymansions Otherwise well said but no, the Hound was in a shitty state there, with infection, fatigue, bad nourishment etc. Or was there some other fight?
in the books, Brienne does get hit by Jamie, she was also doing her best to keep him off, I really don't like how she still looks calm and composed here, almost as if toying with him.
I never understood Jaimes reasoning here. "I'm starved, dirty, weak, caked in my own shit, but being returned to the Lannisters by this beast through some misguided treason from Lady Stark. I'm being searched for by the entirety of the north and completely out in the open on a bridge. I know! I will take a sword and best the beast in combat, then make a run for it! WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?"
+WillRock07 I can imagine that his level of frustration would have been very high. At the point he might have been looking for even the slimmest of chances and up to that point Brienne had probably given him none. The bridge as a place to fight was not bad, gently curved and overall flat, not unlike tourney fields where Jaime may have had more experience than Brienne in fighting. His just dropping down for a sit obviously frustrated Brienne who wanted to keep out of sight was much as is possible; certainly not out in the open on a bridge(which in the scene following the fight was part of their mutual undoing). His refusal to move and verbal whining was meant to and succeeded in drawing her in and when she heaved him back up to his feet, he made his move. Sharp sword makes quick work of the 'leash' he was being dragged around by and now... hands bound but having a sword...Jaime's got a chance.
In the books he gets frustrated by her annoying patronizing holier-than-thou attitude and just snaps, trying to kill her. Not that I blame him for it, Brienne could drive even a patient man nuts with her stubborn stupidity.
@@CH-tr3ri Yeah it's supposed to be dark, how many times have you been out at night in the woods with no light and could see perfectly, it just doesn't happen. And there's a difference between saying it's too dark and saying you can't see anything
I like how the longer the fight goes on the more Brienne realizes Jaime is getting weaker and weaker and she goes from 2 hands to 1. If he was a tad healthier he probably could’ve beaten her in the beginning, but because she was able to defend well in the start, he started losing the final reserves he had and she was able to treat him more bluntly. It started as life and death, and ended with a thump as he collapses from exhaustion, she barely even needs to hit him. She even starts to look at him differently as the fight drags on, starting extremely wary and defensive, and ending kind of annoyed and aggressively battering his sword away.
Yeah, there’s a line in the book about her thoughts in the fight. I’m not gonna directly quote it but she basically says that she knew that Jaime was exhausted after being a prisoner for so long, out of practice, and had his hands chained together and still put up a fight and clearly acknowledges that if Jaime were in better health he would’ve mopped the floor with her
It goes to show how good Jamie really was, he was tired, malnourished, had been a prisoner and wore the same clothes for a year, yet he still puts up a good fight
In the book this scene showed the immense ability of Jaimes prowess! He pushed Brienne through the forest and past creeks for ages, flurrying his sword about relentlessly.
@@mreese8764 in the books literally Brienne barely could beat an immensely exhausted, starved, weakened, sick and in chained Jaime… She says that no person on earth could even come close to Jaime on the full of his might… Thats why Brienne is arguably top 15/20 amongst the best fighters in Westeros… While Jaime is top 3.
@@mauro6545 that... sounds dumb. It's not like exhaustion, weight and malnutrition treats people differently. Young, old, trained, not trained doesn't really matter, if you have been dirty, ill treated, malnourished and exhausted for *a year*, there is no way you kept the body physique necessary to fight even remotely effective. In fact, i dare say that it makes more sense in the show as Brienne is clearly otumatched but overwhelm him with sheer brute strenght over an adversary who lose stamina very quickly due to his disadvantages.
@@giacomoromano8842 Well... thats why Jaime lost lol, literally not being able to "fight even remotely effective" Its the only reason while Jaime lost, and in the books Brienne being able to barely beat a weakened, in chained, malnutrished Jaime its the way of prooving by GRRM how great of a fighter he is... Also in the books, unlike in the show where they boosted up Brienne as a fighter, she gets her leg slashed by Jaime and I believe quite a few bruises and the fight wasnt done when they get captured so Jaime couldve still made more damage (besides in the books, Brienne isnt holding back like in here, whereas here she looks like barely giving idk 50% of her? In the books she goes full 100% against Jaime). Jaime indeed wasnt able to even remotely fight, cuz If he wouldve been able to do so, the "fight" wouldve ended in like 10 seconds.
And then he promptly fucks off and contracts younger onset dementia immediately, forgetting literally everything that ever happened in the past eight seasons.
I wish they had more scenes of him sword fighting before being taken hostage. Just to showcase how good he was. It never felt like he was that good of a sword fighter. He wasn't bad but he wasn't legendary as described by others.
@@isaacalzate8262 yeah but the point is we never actually see him being that good cause the actor who plays him sucks at fighting despite his cocky attitude
Because Nikolaj Coster-Waldau was unconvincing as an elite swordfighter. He looked unathletic and uncoordinated in his fights with Ned and Brienne, despite all the video cuts and camera angles to try and make it look better. It honestly wasn't a very good casting choice, although he was great in the non-fighting scenes.
They had so many cool scenes and such a good story arc of jaime being her teacher, and Brienne being something jaime could actually care about beyond his family. Then the final episode ran... so I just imagine the last episode never happened.
As Colonel Wolodyjowski would say, "They're swinging as if with flails". GoT fight scenes always required quite a bit of suspension of disbelief, especially when I was supposed to pretend that such and such person is amazingly skilled.
Barristan Selmy against the cult people or whatever they were was probably the worst. The man was described as a painter with a sword and the actor they chose to play him could barely even hold one.
I have to admit they really did Jamie wrong in this fight. The man is suppose to be hands down one of the best fighters in the show. Even in the books Briene wasn't able to beat him despite the insane disadvantage he had. For them to make him so underwhelming in this fight was really annoying to watch. And I was seriously looking forward to this to.
+Hannibal Rasberry As already noted, he had his hands tied, no armour, not practised for a year and also been locked up in a cage, tied to a post and lived in his own shit and piss for a year. Probably not been fed too well either.....
+Hannibal Rasberry Maybe this is a more grounded interpretation of what happens in the books. I mean he was malnourished and spent the last year on the road in his own filth. Realistically this is exactly how it would have gone down, length wise as well perhaps. Also going by the source material. _One of her slashes raked across his brow, and blood ran down into his right eye. The Others take her, and Riverrun as well! His skills had gone to rust and rot in that bloody dungeon, and the chains were no great help either. His eye closed, his shoulders were going numb from the jarring they'd taken, and his wrists ached from the weight of chains, manacles, and sword. His longsword grew heavier with every blow, and Jaime knew he was not swinging it as quickly as he'd done earlier, nor raising it as high._ _She is stronger than I am. The realization chilled him._ The end result felt very much the same as the show depicted.
All her opponents were at a disadvantage; Hound was wounded and had a fever, jaime was in captivity for a WHOLE year and in chains, and loras isn't anything special when he's not jousting, which is mostly a showoff.
+Ogahzlol All is fair in love and war, the characters never made excuses for their defeats, I don't quite understand why so many fans debate Brienne's victories, when it's a fight, it's only your problem if you're not in good nick when the fighting starts, it's just the way it is... and the story really does a good job of reflecting that.
I'm not denying it, what I mean to say is, regardless, she won, it's like Fencers whom whine about losing to a leftie, the fact is... they lost, or indeed getting a bad hand in cards.
Aye, though she is a great warrior, she's not as great as Jaime at his best, the same could probably be said if she got the chance to fight Eddard Stark, however, in The Hounds Case, I'd say they were evenly matched, that bite from Rorge niggled him a bit but it didn't have an effect in the fight and Sure, she smashed him about with a rock when he had no rock or sword at the end of the fight, but... what is chivalry compared to life, The Hound would have done the same thing.
I actually like the snark from Jamie here. Really does make it seem that he's a great swordsman not just due to skill, but due to what he does during combat. Amping up his opponents, teasing them and basically messing with them. Potentially even strategically so. Gives the swordsmanship a flare aside from just movement, and fits very much the sort of Jamie we meet early on. Also brings some emphasis to his development and how he shifts
I love Jamie's attempted shoulder-shove that fails utterly. Being a good swordsman is one thing...but being stupid enough to think that you can defeat a fighter in full armor after being half-starved and abused really takes the cake.
Doubtful, Locke was a great hunter, he also had the advantage of a lot more men and more importantly, horses. They may have paced a while longer, but if Locke was diligent, he would have caught up to them on the same day, probably less than an hour. I know I am 4 years late, but I always come back to these videos.
he would of lost his hand, and Briene her life if not for that. They were going to catch him and take his head regardless. and her life would of been taken if not for jaime mentioning the Sapphires. Lockehardt or however you spell his name is a cunt like ramsey. LUL
Yeah, you're right, she's definitely not evil, very just in her thinking, but way too trusting too. It cost Jamie his hand, but we can only hope it will save Sansa's life in weeks to come!
+Diego Pachón Arthur Dayne was pretty much his mentor. In the book he doesn't use 2 swords. He said "some knights" though. Arthur Dayne was not some knight. Using 2 swords that heavy is insane, Arthur Dayne has to be pretty much the only person who could wield 2 heavy swords like this in the entire verse. The Hound and the Mountain would be strong enough to lift two swords but to effectively attack and defend with both swords you also need a lot of fluidity otherwise the extra sword is useless.
+theo konstantellos ..What? Both long-swords and arming swords(which most European knights did carry at once, historically) were built for one-handed use(as well as two-handed, in the case of the flexible longsword). So long as you have adequate strength in each arm, there's no reason why you wouldn't be able to hold a sword in each. And weight does not matter so much as balance. If the weight of the sword is balanced properly, it can be quite heavy before it starts to actually become impractical. In fact, swords tend to be weighty on purpose, as it literally adds weight to the swing. To use a bit of RPG terminology, when it comes to one-handed swords and longswords, dexterity is far more important than strength. So long as the swords are well-made, which you'd expect the best swordsman in Westeros to have, *any* knight could lift two swords effectively enough to learn Florentine techniques. Whether or not dual-wielding swords is a good idea over say, two-handing a longsword, or dual-wielding a sword and a buckler or a parrying dagger, is another matter.
An average longsword weights about 1.1-1.8 kg. Thats not heavy, anyone can lift two swords .... ( its not common because its not practical, its much better to hold a shield or a buckler in your other hand. A sword and a dagger is a good combination though )
im in rags, i know, i'll shoulder bash a butch beast of a woman in full steel armour. Genius! No. Not genius... whats the opposite of genius? Ah thats right, retarded.
Series started off well, but would love to to see the rise of the elders, or everybody at their best form. We were robbed of seeing Jaime, Robert, Rhaegar, Dorn Fighters, and others in their primes that created the setting for this series
Brienne's level of skill is akin to Agrias Oaks, while Jaime is at Lu Bu level. Jaime also has Lu Bu's personality, and they are both the greatest and strongest fighters in the series. A healthy Jaime can destroy both the Hound and the Mountain at the same time. Lu Bu and Diao Chan die together, Jaime and Cersei die together.
9@@jonathansenile4396 The Hound skill is at Gafgarion's level. Even if Hound uses cheap tricks, Jaime is prepared as despite being a knight, Jaime is a master of detecting deception/sabotage. ROTK-wise, The Hound is only as good as Wei Yan or Gan Ning (who's martial abilities are about 92-95), while Jaime and Lu Bu are 100-110.
@@Jacob-vs1ez Yes, it was hard to see. Which is why it was so shocking seeing it go bad that quickly. Season 5 is still good, Season 6 is already showing issues, but overall quite enioyable. From season 7 on it takes a nose dive into a pile of horseshit. Season 8 is so terrible that it is hard for me to believe it isnt a form of satire. But then again, the writers of that show started deviating from the books and writing their own plots and thats what we got. Especially in terms of dialogues quite early on.
Tony Wilczynski Finally. we have heard of all the great deeds of Jaime off screen,including when Robb capturing him being said that he took down 20 men, but we never really SAW any of it. i go with Waldau not wanting to do great choreographies Arthue Dayne style at all
Oh, it's not like he at this point had starved for about a year, was malnourished and weak, had JUST begun to walk again after being sat down his whole imprisonment, thus fucking up his legs. I mean, come on.. It's not THAT hard to know what's going on. Jamie was not portrayed anything like Dayne or himself in his prime, because he isn't meant to be like that in this scene.
Has most likely more something to with how the show is handled by the produceres, who are total hacks and can't write properly for the life of them. As proven with Dorne, and generally the whole season 5. Also, not like we havn't seen them do this before, (Berristan Selmy got the same shitty treatment).
This is still one of the best scenes in the series IMO, just two knights duking it out in the middle of nowhere. Also Brienne vs The Hound, and The Hound and Arya vs Joffrey's men in the Tavern. The road always had that dangerous feel when characters were travelling and we never knew what was going to happen. Gods the show was strong then...
Back when it took time (multiple episodes) to travel from one end of the continent to another, and it was possible for characters to encounter danger and death while traveling. Vs. the later seasons when characters just teleport across the map when the plot demands it
@@bait5257 I just read an excerpt of their fight, where he gets exhausted quicker bc his skills decayed while imprisoned, how she kept cutting him and it chilled him to realize she was stronger. That’s exactly how I and most show-watchers interpreted it, what would you have added or changed to this scene to make it more faithful to his written character?
@@TheFreshTrumpet You literally cut the most important part, POV of brienne. I know it's not possible in the show but at least indicate it in any way. In this scene it more look likes breinne's time to shine moment. Also, they added the unnecessary ned vs Jamie so now people think ned is on Par with Jamie. Jamie was supposed to be the strongest until he lost his hand. But the show never ever showed any sign of it Edit : the pov mentions how she thinks she had no chance of winning if Jamie wasn't chained or exhausted
@Schwanzus Longus see how quick the writers made her lose to Arya? Apparently only a woman can defeat her, women have this unreal sort of power in GoT. They must've been confused as to whether they should make one woman be unrealistically powerful, or the other. So they decided that Arya would beat her easily, even though that doesn't make sense because they have different fighting styles that they both seem to have learnt well, one style cannot simply be better than the other, they both have their own sorts of experience
@Schwanzus Longus Ehhhh I don't think it's "muh feminism" I think Jaimie losing this fight is fairly realistic. Hes in no condition to fight. Though I think it should have showcased his skill a little more.
It's a shame that the show couldn't display Jaime's legendary sword skills. Brienne was better than most knights of Westeros but Jaime was one of those exceptional natural swordsmen who come about in a century or so. This is further reinforced by her own testimony that it took all of her skill and strength to keep the Kingslayer at bay. Unhampered and at full strength no one could have stood before him.
Yeah; When Locke does what he does a few episodes from now, we see it, but don't truly _feel_ it because the show never really showed us Jaime at his best. It's still a great scene, but it tells a different story to the books; TV show Jaime is a good swordsman, sure, but over-praised due to his family name, raised to the kingsguard prematurely due to Aerys' animosity towards his father, and his fall from grace (and hence later redemption) begins, not with a lisping psychopath sellsword, but here on the bridge, beaten in pretty short order by a woman, not even a knight, who he arrogantly assumed to be lesser than himself.
He said grimace. As in an angered-like expression. Dis-tasteful expression. In essence, he was saying by making that face you reveal that you are about to attack.
This comment was meant to be replied to someone, directly... For whatever God-awful reason, RUclips Mobile fails to pinpoint my desired location. Someone in the comments could not decipher what Jaime tells Briene. So shove your no shits where the sun don't shine.
In the books Brienne's inner thoughts reveal that she doesn't believe she could have beaten Jaime if he wasn't slowed by the chains. Even with his handicap she still had a hard time against him.
Speaks to Jaime's skill that he gave Brienne a fight even though his hands were chained and he was weakened by malnourishment and fatigue from being a prisoner for so long. If he was as fresh as Brienne was here, I doubt she lasts long against him.
In my quest to find out how good Jaime Lannister was, I found this from A Feast of Crows, "Brienne remembered her fight with Jaime Lannister in the woods. It had been all that she could do to keep his blade at bay. He was weak from his imprisonment, and chained at the wrists. No knight in the Seven Kingdoms could have stood against him at his full strength, with no chains to hamper him." With that in mind, this fight is a bit of a character assassination against Jaime.
Not really. I'll bet that the choreographer read that, snorted, and said "well, that's stupid as hell, let's do an actual realistic fight". I can see Jamie holding his own, but actually forcing Brienne back? When he's that weak? I don't care how skilled he is. Unless he has magic powers, he still loses in very short order. Either he kills Brienne in the first thirty seconds (and doesn't, because she's pretty darn good in her own right) or she wins.
@@Cailus3542 Except that's not how it was written in the books. I'm all for taking poetic license but all through the show we were told his reputation but he was found lacking almost every single time.
@@Cailus3542 Yeah it's not realistic, but this is the same series in which Gregor Clegane exists, the 8 foot tall monster who can crush skulls with his hands. It doesn't need to be super realistic, Jaime is an near invincible monster with a sword before he lost his hand.
Notice how Jaime was actually giving Brienne a hard time at first it wasn't until towards the end he was starting to get tired and Brienne had the advantage
After all this time I think I found out what this show did wrong at Jaime right here. In the books, Jaime, even in this dreary state, is so good of a swordsman that Brienne almost doesn't stand a chance. Do you know how this show should have depicted that? I have just watched the duel from Troy between Brad Pitt (Achilles/god) and Hector. Brad Pitt is very calm during the fight and you can see that even though he moves fast as HELL, he is breathing slowly and steadily. Hector is getting more and more tired, breathing super fast, and getting drenched in sweat, his hair is oily and he can't keep up with Brad's pace. Brad Pitt employs EXTREME stability in his legs, for example when he lands from a jump he doesn't even boggle for one centimeter, he lands and stays in that position like a solid marble statue. Hector, in opposition, stumbles over a rock. Even in the movements it looks like Brad has something like a 6th sense that helps him predict Hectors attacks, and you can really FEEL the gap between a God at work, and a mere human, Hector. One last thing, you can see that Brad plays with Hector like with a toy. He could have killed him many times during the fight, but chose not to, when he punched Hector with his fist, or even just pushed him away with his bare hand. That's another way to further show his supremacy over Hector.
Hector stood his ground as long as humanly possible vs half god. After this Achilles was super pissed off and dragged him few circles around Troy to mock Hector stubbornness and arrogancy.
Her stance gets more open and more relaxed as the fight goes on. Cuz she slowly realizes hes not even a threat. At the start she's in like a full guard. By the end she's 1 handing everything and standing straight on at him lol
It’s such a damn shame we never really got to see Jaime fighting and dominating with his hand in this show…it would’ve been great to see him on the battlefield against Rob’s men just going ham.
@@user-nv2wt4hi8t it got stuck on his way to Robb... by then, his elite companions were down and he was alone and surrounded. As great as younare, at that point it's game over.
He had no armor, no training for over a year, had his hands chained up, dirty, and had walked hundreds of miles (tired) Now tell me, who do you think would've won.
Grammar Nazi book jaime is supposed to be the best swordsman in westeros. Given his condition, im pretty sure he couls kill this wench in less than a minute
Exactly !! like how all these guys in full armor piss and shit. I know it takes ages for someone to put an armor on, even with other people helping. Do they have to take it off everytime they wanna piss ? Can they just sleep in it ???
1:37 Is anyone gonna talk about how badass that "honorable" blade-interlocking round was; how they geometrically check each other "around the clock" trying to gain the upper hand move-for-move? It's so well choreographed and frankly beautiful to watch. The gliding effect, the sound design, the technique (not to mention dangerously high stakes) is just all round superb! Gets my panties in a twist. And I'm not even wearing panties. Nor am I a woman.
@@JakeKoenig They could've made it seem good, no actor knows how to use the long sword, and its just choreography, and after like 1 move they could cut and shoot the next one. So they could've made it work easily, i ques the lore couldn't find him anymore opponents that would've had change to beat him and after losing the hand he could've used the gold hand as a shield and then we could have few scenes more where he fights with his left hand.
They really should've had Jaime have a bit more fight in him. How it went in the series, he looks like a massive goose and a great big sack of wind, thanks to this scene. True, at this point Jaime was a long imprisoned, skinny and malnourished sack of bones barely kept together by some skin and withered muscle. Still, he was one of the most skilled fighters under the sun and they should've driven that point by having him give Brienne a much harder time.... like it went in the book, as much as I hate to be the book-nerd. it would've made the cutting of his hand a much more dramatic moment for the character, too. Oh well. Coster-Waldau does such a good job portraying Jaime and the change of his character that it's not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things.
"You shouldn't grimace before you lunge it gives away the game." *Immediately grimaces as he makes his next move* That aside though I fucking love this scene. Jaime's excitement and confidence with a sword in his hand for the first time in months, Brienne dropping into stance refusing to back down from one of the greatest swordsman alive. These two are about it when it comes to swordplay and it's awesome, sucks they never got to fight or spar with an even playing field, Jaime's at a huge disadvantage here but even at full strength with armor it would definitely be a fight
No, it wouldn't. The ONLY reason Brienne gets out of this fight alive is because he's been a prisoner for a year, starved and exhausted. In the books, he still outfights her even in this state and she decides to wrestle him with her superior strength. The show made it more even because that's somehow more cinematic, but the books scene is much more in line with the lore and both characters.
I've said it once and I'll say it again. Jaime literally could've gotten a better prosthetic hand that would allow him to grip a sword properly. Gotz of the Iron Hand was a real life mercenary who did the exact same thing after he lost his hand in battle
At first I didn’t like the fighting as it looked like she was pulling her strikes. But as soon as I thought about it and realized she wasn’t even trying to kill him, the pulling back made a lot more sense and made the scene that much better.
Who wouldve guessed this would be more epic than the Night Kings death.
@Kind Citizen it was
@@sietsedijkstra178 people have different opinions. it's fine.
Knight king never even unsheathes his sword!
tragic
@@diaco423 a complete waist is what it was
I like how in the books, even though Brienne beats Jaime here, she admits to herself that if he hadn’t been exhausted, malnourished, dehydrated and had both hands tied together, he’d have absolutely BODIED her
agreed, she even gets wounded by jamie in the fight
@@feris2137 Big talk from someone who had to edit what they wrote. And yet there're still many grammatical errors.🙄
@@Teamratand yet you're still dumb burger eater
@@feris2137 what does it matter. powerscaling Jaime like this is kinda weird to me. This aint anime where the strongest dude is just imune to everything because hes the strongest.
Still, Brienne also is just that good. As the books show at multiple occasions
Wait really? She actually said that in the books?
I know Brienne takes everything seriously, but she seems even more focused and intense here, because she knows who she is dealing with.
It's a shame they didn't display just how powerful Jaime really was as a swordfighter in the books.
In the books, he almost killed her before his condition caught up to him.
Yeah it makes sense. Although she might be aware he is severely weakened and ill let alone chained she doesn't take the chance he's easy to beat initially.
@@runtergerutscht4401 They did the same for Jaime and Barriston, never really acknolwedged how good they were supposed to be. Also Loras too just became a joke character when he was supposed to be quite a skilled fight too.They did well with Oberyn and Arhur Dayne at least. In the book it was clear that Jaime lost this fight because of his condition, although he did still underestimate Brienne thinking he wouldn't need to be at full strength. In the show it's really just a whole girl power thing, she just wrecks him. We never see Jaime's skill, even against Ned Stark it seemed quite even and he only killed Jorl Cassel by cheating.
@@AVerySillySausage yeah. But only so much you can do when your actor didn't train swordfighting ten years in advance. When someone plays an instrument, you can at least edit the acoustics to make it sound right. No such luck with swordfights, unfortunately. The other option would've been to make all the fight scenes highly edited, but I'm glad they didn't do that.
and the repercussions of her losing! if she were to have died, her last moments would've been 'fuck i let down Stark' and not 'oh damn im gonna die'
I love how Jaime says not to grimace before a lunge...and then proceeds to grimace before literally every single one of his attacks.
Jaime's actor was great in a lot of ways, but he wasn't the best stage fighter
@@MrThonyfst Yup. I loved the actor. His early sneering, coupled with his later introspection, made him my favorite character on the show.
We all have our weaknesses.
"I was giving a visual example to why shouldn't grimace before you lunge!"
@@frenchbaguetteintelligence And to be fair, if you grimace before ALL of your attacks, it's no longer a tell for your lunge.
Yeah, great actor and character for everything else, but the fight choreography here is pretty terrible.
I swear Jaime looks like a Jedi.
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***** At that point in the story a more like a Grey Jedi/Sith acolyte who later changes
well done
Too bad he didn't have the high ground.
David Tran
Or the Force...
-"You shouldn't grimace before you lunge."
Next second: Grimaces before he lunges.
i think he did it to show her what she was doing wrong
Maybe he tried to pass it off as a double bluff.
I'm pretty sure we can put that one down to the actors not having the first clue about swordfighting.
The whole fight in general is just terrible from that perspective...
Proving his point.
0ffspringfan he sure did lol he made a face like he was about to take a shit.
Truly wish we got more scenes showing Jaime Lannister's fighting prowess
@Kevin Hart What? Since when do actors have to train for years to create a good looking sword fight?
@Kevin Hart good things there's PLENTY of them
The problem was that Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, despite being a good actor, wasn't remotely convincing as an elite sword fighter. They probably wanted to put in more fight scenes but saw how unathletic and uncoordinated he looked.
@@JakeKoenig true true, and having stunt doubles would probably be too much for them because of they're budget.
This makes Henry Cavill so impressive. He is an actor with no sword experience either and his fights in The Witcher looks absolutely amazing like a real skilled swordsman
In the books, Brienne is completely outmatched by Jaime even in his condition. Jaime was the best swordsman alive during the events of Asoiaf. Barristan might have stood a chance against him in his youth and Arthur Dayne was long dead.
@@windrad1021 the whole truth
Huh? So this scene is not from the books?
Stupid Plot Armor
Exactly, even chained and imprisoned for a year and malnourished he stalemates her and is close to beating her. They end up wrestling because she couldn't beat him with sword in hand, despite being stronger. She later confirms it in her thoughts that he was brilliant and that no swordsman alive could have taken him out in his prime. But in the show they just have her deride him as being worse than him.
The books weren't realistic... They corrected it in the series
Jamie: "Never understood why some knights felt the need to carry two swords."
Brienne: "One's for killing monsters. The other? For killing humans."
Geralt of Rivia: *Onlooks the scene with approval*
Reasoning 100
One for humans, the other for non humans. Both are for monsters.
He was from riviva right?
Geralt of Rivia leans in from nowhere, - Both are for monsters.
You beat me by one year.
I love Jaime Lannister, so much slickness, swagger, cleverness, and douchebag tendencies.
Yeah
Christian so much betraying ned stark thus throwing the 7 kingdoms into a civil war so much fucking his sister too produce 2 inbred terrible kings. so much making bran a cripple there for slowing down his journey to the three eye raven likely leading to the death of several people.
A mask cultivated for years because EVERYONE misunderstand his finest act as his worst.
And now he is cersei's puppet
So?
In the books:
"
Brienne remembered her fight with Jaime Lannister in the woods. It had been all that she could do to keep his blade at bay. He was weak from his imprisonment, and chained at the wrists. No knight in the Seven Kingdoms could have stood against him at his full strength, with no chains to hamper him. Jaime had done many wicked things, but the man could fight! His maiming had been monstrously cruel. It was one thing to slay a lion, another to hack his paw off and leave him broken and bewildered."
Thanks D&D, I hate u really.
I wish they went with that one but no chance in the current age of bs subversion nonsense.
To be fair he's so out of shape here and she's so in shape that it's not really even close
@@JacobGrim Of course its ok to have him lose under these circumstances....really no one has an issue with that....what many of us have a big problem with though is the fact that this was just terrible totally emasculated Jamie and this was literally his last hurrah before losing his hand, in the books this plays out very differently Brine and him fight for some time and she says it took all she had to keep him off of her and sorta win in the end even with Jamie in that bad condition/shape/state after 1+ but of course in the show they dont understand that you can in fact have a strong women character without tearing down/humiliating a supposed to be strong male one, but this is well the era were in and this type of bs is infesting media just across the board, so the issue was the execution I mean in this version not only was this not even remotely a challenge for her at all its even easy a total one sided humiliation/mockery to Jamie, and thats simply not how it went in the books at all...so thats deliberate I have to assume as usual there bs ideology/agenda overrode actual good writing in this instance because what other explanation is there? and again yes some liberties from the book in any series are to be expected but this was a flat out revision and terrible once again total humiliation, exact opposite of how this fight/duel was in the books....captivity
@@JacobGrim I personally and I know most dont feel this way or think I'm crazy even after all the insanity we should all have witnessed by now past few years just in general, but anyways point is I despise when ideology or propaganda or an agenda overrides or even outright replaced entirely good writing and development and etc. And this was one of those times, making this scene how it played out here and not even trying to make it in the books simply makes no sense and has to serve only one purpose ....to show "feminist empowerment" using male emasculation- to do it. That is all this was there is simply no other way to interpret such a drastic and frankly not good change, I cant imagine anyone preferring how this went here over how it was in the books, also in the books both come out looking amazing brine says something along the lines after recalling there duel/battle" his speed and technique were very impressive and intimidating even after being in chains and starved and etc for over a year he could still take on and defeat most around even as he is right now! and there fight was very admirable and high level by both, in the show she literally humiliated him 1`00 percent no challenge even a little bit she may have been dueling fricking Podrick for frucks sakes, then when they talk about it in the show recall scene she again humiliates him by saying" maybe you were that good and fast..once" or maybe you were just hyped up...doubling down on the emasculation and humiliation of course, again literal polar opposite/flat out revision of how this actually great fight scene/duel was actually in the books, and I get it I'm not trying top be " oh yah well in the books" kinda guys I'm not lol but no one can reasonably argue this is better then that or even close nor can they really argue against why they chose to change this because that is obvious enough.
@@danielhicks4826 well you certainly changed my mind lol
It's a pity we never get to see Jamie's true potential as a swordsman. This fight and the one against Ned were only minor scuffles, and the only scenes where he has both hands.
His prowess as a fighter was an exaggeration and a lie seeded by the Lannisters.
@@ivermektin6874not in the books...
@@luca7675 books are written by the victors. Looks at ned stark killing Arthur Dayne
@@ivermektin6874 You didnt read the books, did you?
@@luca7675 what books?
From fighting her to knighting her, Ser Jamie has come so far.
I know, so many people forget how Jamie and Brienne first met. What character development.
Jaime had the best caracter developpment in the show. And after him Theon
Now he just needs to bed her and it will be complete
Nahh they keep 180ing him, they destroyed all that character development in season 6 and 7.And Theon is unrecognizable, they didnt develop his character they just made a new one out of their arse
@@oldbenkenobi2864 looks like you got your wish.
I love Jaime's reaction as he gets a feel for the sword at 0:37 like meeting an old friend again after being apart for so long. Martin is such a brilliant but cruel writer, maiming the greatest fighter of Westeros after all the pain he'd already had to endure. His skill was only thing that was truly his own and he has it stripped away from him.
And the showrunners didn't even showcased his skills properly, thus losing his sword hand had no impact
@@Kratos7686 but he's been all up and down every conversation about swordfighting as the best swordfighter currently alive.
@@runtergerutscht4401 one video is 100times more reachable than 100 dialogues. Casual audience who didn't read book doesn't give a shit about Jaime. Even ned stark and bronn are better for them
@@Kratos7686 "casual" audience still picked up on the many hints dropped, at the very least. Like the look of relief on that one knight's face (the one who gets killed by Bronn a couple minutes later) when he finds out he doesn't have to fight Jaime Lannister
Eh, Jaime deserved it at that point
This is Jaime's last sword fight before he joined the Cripple Squad with bran
Yep and the only other real fight against Ned stark gets interrupted. But it’s cool at least we got to see Ser Barriston fuck shit up lat… oh wait, he died to a handful of no namers carrying kitchen knives..
@@thatboyYERP yay!!!
As someone who was an athlete and then spent 10 months in a hospital bed this is 100% realistic. Your cardiovascular and muscles deplete remarkably fast when you don’t use them constantly. I was shocked how fast I lost muscle and got out of breath walking up one flight of stairs. I went from 198 to 127 in 10 months. I also wasn’t eating food though.
Damn man sorry to hear that what was your sport?
"He was weak from imprisonment, and chained at the wrists. No knight in the Seven Kingdoms could have stood against him at his full strength, with no chains to hamper him. Jaime had done many wicked things, but the man could fight! His maiming had been monstrously cruel. It was one thing to slay a lion, another to hack his paw off and leave him broken and bewildered."
Quote from Brienne in the books about Jaime in this scenario.
edit: jfc its been 3 years, stop commenting on this shitty quote you losers.
Ned best him alright
Zifa Juggernaut there is absolutely no way ned stark can beat jaime in a fight the show dramatized that fight outside of the brothel.
@@josepabloceniceros3483 Also Jamie was not interested in killing Ned either, just wanted to kill the men with him and give him a warning to free Tyrion.
IIRC In the books Ned and Jaime don’t even fight. Jaime just has Ned’s men killed, and Ned’s horse falls on his leg, which shatters his calf
Appreciate it mate.
Ik hes supposed to be tired but damn we never really got an awesome "best swordsman in westeros" fight its such a shame
They should've done a flashback or something like they did for Dayne
Best swordsman in the seven kingdoms you mean
He fought Ned Stark, though that fight ended prematurely
@@MCSPARTAN501 that wasn't in the books and the show hyped up ned. Because ned clearly don't stand a chance against Jamie
@@truelegend816 the Dayne fight was so bad. Fighting with two swords sounds awful. Dayne had a brilliant longsword that was possibly even older than valerian steel blades. Sword of morning. In the show he swings some random crap and dies ugh.
I always remembered how Jamie was feeling out the sword before engaging. He was a master swordsman who hadn’t held a sword in a long time + was a prisoner; you could see the relief and satisfaction of holding a proper weapon again. I dont think it was bcos he could finally escape or kill Brienne, it was bcos he was just so content at wielding a sword again. Sad to think his hand would later…
It’s amazing how you noticed that!
In the book Brienne admires how a malnourished and chained Jaime Lannister can fight that well. And she's thankful he's not unchained. She had brute force him when she realized she's not Besting him in swords play. She later urges him to keep living when he gives up on life after he lost his sword's hand.
You know you're good at swordplay when the person in full plate armor is intimidated by you when your in rags, in handcuffs and probably in poor physical conditon after being a prisoner.
Full plate isn't an advantage in one on one. It's better for battles to defend against blows you can't see coming.
@@alphanerd7221 Bruh. No. Plate armor is definetly an advantage when it comes to duels. Before you reply,
No. Plate armor does not slow you down
No. It is not that easy to stab someone through the gaps of armor, especially a trained knight
No, you cannot stab or slice someone through the plate like in Hollywood, plate armor is not sheet metal
No, you are not going to roll around and dodge like in Dark Souls and tire the knight out.
@@xxxxxx5868 "No. Plate armor does not slow you down"
Well that is grossly false.
"No. It is not that easy to stab someone through the gaps of armor, especially a trained knight"
No but it's easy to beat the crap out of them. Swords aren't really about cutting people. They are just an effective way to beat the crap out of people the sometimes cuts them.
It's easy for someone not in full plate to tire out someone in full plate. Why would you roll around? Just back away from their sword hand.
@@alphanerd7221 Plate armor doesn't slow you down, or atleast it's not the big difference you think it is. The weight is distributed throughout your body.
"easy to beat the crap out of them" I'm assuming you mean maces, mordhau, and warhammers. Ok first of all. It's not that easy. Second of all, on a 1v1 duel, a well trained knight will very likely know how to counter attacks from blunt weapons. They've literally been training since the age of 7. And third of all, and I hope this isn't true, if you're talking about beating the crap out of a knight with the actual blade of your sword....tell me again how that is not an advantage to plate? If you hit an unarmored opponent once, he goes down, but with plate, he can take multiple hits.
"just back away from the sword hand bro" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Knights have been literally training since the age of 7. It's likely he'll be the one tiring you out rather then the other way around 😂😂 Especially since he only needs one good strike at your flesh vs you dodging and weaving and trying to hit him multiple times in his armor lmfao.
Real life isn't GoT and you're not Oberyn or Bronn dawg. Even then, the only reason they won was because they're opponents had grossly overly heavy plate, it was explained in the novels.
Edit:
"bro plate armor slows you down bro just dodge and parry bro"
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@@xxxxxx5868 You started out with the same unsupported lie and thought I would read further. You are ignorant and redundant and I'm not interested in winning this argument again.
“You great beast of a woman”
5 years later : _Ser Brienne of Tarth_
"The big woman?"
Love how relieved and satisfied he seems when he looks at the sword in his hands.
For me, this is the only scene that actually makes it properly feel like Jaime is the best swordsman in Westeros. As other people noted, we dont get to see him ever fight a “real” fight at his peak, but the way Jaime acts with the sword while seriously disadvantaged, and the way Brienne reacts to him getting the sword and being 100% on guard makes it feel real. Like he really is the last person you would ever want to fight in a duel. The only time in the show it is ever Shown rather than just Told to us, and it was done beautifully. Superb acting done by both, and excellent choreography for the fight.
Yes, he is on his last legs in regards to malnourishment, exhaustion along with cold and soaked through, hands tied up. The amount of handicaps he has here stack the odds very much against him. He tried, because he's used to finding an advantage. But Brienne deserves her props. She is a total bruiser, able to best The Hound when he was at peak performance level and without any hindrance to his abilities. I actually quite like Jaimes implied capabilities. The way his armour, sword and reputation represent his past achievements. Sometimes not seeing someone being lethal, but knowing they are is more scary.
@@victorymansions Otherwise well said but no, the Hound was in a shitty state there, with infection, fatigue, bad nourishment etc. Or was there some other fight?
in the books, Brienne does get hit by Jamie, she was also doing her best to keep him off, I really don't like how she still looks calm and composed here, almost as if toying with him.
There is also that look of the Vale knight as Tyrion announces Jaime as his choice for champion.
I never understood Jaimes reasoning here.
"I'm starved, dirty, weak, caked in my own shit, but being returned to the Lannisters by this beast through some misguided treason from Lady Stark. I'm being searched for by the entirety of the north and completely out in the open on a bridge. I know! I will take a sword and best the beast in combat, then make a run for it! WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?"
+WillRock07 as bronn said "that explains the golden hand"
Jaime was not particularly good at plotting like Tywin or Tyrion
+WillRock07 I can imagine that his level of frustration would have been very high. At the point he might have been looking for even the slimmest of chances and up to that point Brienne had probably given him none.
The bridge as a place to fight was not bad, gently curved and overall flat, not unlike tourney fields where Jaime may have had more experience than Brienne in fighting. His just dropping down for a sit obviously frustrated Brienne who wanted to keep out of sight was much as is possible; certainly not out in the open on a bridge(which in the scene following the fight was part of their mutual undoing).
His refusal to move and verbal whining was meant to and succeeded in drawing her in and when she heaved him back up to his feet, he made his move. Sharp sword makes quick work of the 'leash' he was being dragged around by and now... hands bound but having a sword...Jaime's got a chance.
The fight was pointless. If he kills her, he is free to return to his family. If he doesn't do anything at all, he is still returned to his family....
Yeah, but she still takes the advantage in the end and is all but drowning the dude in the river when Vargo and his Bloody Mummers find them.
In the books he gets frustrated by her annoying patronizing holier-than-thou attitude and just snaps, trying to kill her. Not that I blame him for it, Brienne could drive even a patient man nuts with her stubborn stupidity.
Simple, short, 2 person sword fight infinitely more compelling than the hours of mindless zombie fights
don’t underestimate the value of characters
done in the dark as well with 0 visibility
@@akkir6707 Well if that's the case you either have really bad sight or a really bad tv/monitor
@@colinburman419 Then so do the majority of viewers. That was one of the biggest complaints about the Long Night episode.
@@CH-tr3ri Yeah it's supposed to be dark, how many times have you been out at night in the woods with no light and could see perfectly, it just doesn't happen. And there's a difference between saying it's too dark and saying you can't see anything
I like how the longer the fight goes on the more Brienne realizes Jaime is getting weaker and weaker and she goes from 2 hands to 1. If he was a tad healthier he probably could’ve beaten her in the beginning, but because she was able to defend well in the start, he started losing the final reserves he had and she was able to treat him more bluntly. It started as life and death, and ended with a thump as he collapses from exhaustion, she barely even needs to hit him. She even starts to look at him differently as the fight drags on, starting extremely wary and defensive, and ending kind of annoyed and aggressively battering his sword away.
Yeah, there’s a line in the book about her thoughts in the fight. I’m not gonna directly quote it but she basically says that she knew that Jaime was exhausted after being a prisoner for so long, out of practice, and had his hands chained together and still put up a fight and clearly acknowledges that if Jaime were in better health he would’ve mopped the floor with her
Feminist bullshit 😂
It goes to show how good Jamie really was, he was tired, malnourished, had been a prisoner and wore the same clothes for a year, yet he still puts up a good fight
In the book this scene showed the immense ability of Jaimes prowess! He pushed Brienne through the forest and past creeks for ages, flurrying his sword about relentlessly.
he even cuts her pretty deep in the leg
Wearing him out was her only way to win without hurting him. Retreat and defense are easier on her.
@@mreese8764 in the books literally Brienne barely could beat an immensely exhausted, starved, weakened, sick and in chained Jaime…
She says that no person on earth could even come close to Jaime on the full of his might… Thats why Brienne is arguably top 15/20 amongst the best fighters in Westeros… While Jaime is top 3.
@@mauro6545 that... sounds dumb. It's not like exhaustion, weight and malnutrition treats people differently. Young, old, trained, not trained doesn't really matter, if you have been dirty, ill treated, malnourished and exhausted for *a year*, there is no way you kept the body physique necessary to fight even remotely effective. In fact, i dare say that it makes more sense in the show as Brienne is clearly otumatched but overwhelm him with sheer brute strenght over an adversary who lose stamina very quickly due to his disadvantages.
@@giacomoromano8842 Well... thats why Jaime lost lol, literally not being able to "fight even remotely effective" Its the only reason while Jaime lost, and in the books Brienne being able to barely beat a weakened, in chained, malnutrished Jaime its the way of prooving by GRRM how great of a fighter he is... Also in the books, unlike in the show where they boosted up Brienne as a fighter, she gets her leg slashed by Jaime and I believe quite a few bruises and the fight wasnt done when they get captured so Jaime couldve still made more damage (besides in the books, Brienne isnt holding back like in here, whereas here she looks like barely giving idk 50% of her? In the books she goes full 100% against Jaime).
Jaime indeed wasnt able to even remotely fight, cuz If he wouldve been able to do so, the "fight" wouldve ended in like 10 seconds.
And now in season 8 Jamie finally gets his sword in her.
He did the old penetrate then dip method
And then he promptly fucks off and contracts younger onset dementia immediately, forgetting literally everything that ever happened in the past eight seasons.
@@ferdinand5223 what can you say if he even forgot about what color his hair supposed to be
She let him though😂 so she is still manlier.
but at what cost ;_;
I wish they had more scenes of him sword fighting before being taken hostage. Just to showcase how good he was. It never felt like he was that good of a sword fighter. He wasn't bad but he wasn't legendary as described by others.
Um yeah he was dude was considering the best swordsman at that time he probably would have beat even selmy during that time
@@isaacalzate8262 you literally didn't understand the comment my guy
@@isaacalzate8262 yeah but the point is we never actually see him being that good cause the actor who plays him sucks at fighting despite his cocky attitude
Ummmm.....they are actors doing a job. It's make believe. Fiction.
Because Nikolaj Coster-Waldau was unconvincing as an elite swordfighter. He looked unathletic and uncoordinated in his fights with Ned and Brienne, despite all the video cuts and camera angles to try and make it look better. It honestly wasn't a very good casting choice, although he was great in the non-fighting scenes.
They had so many cool scenes and such a good story arc of jaime being her teacher, and Brienne being something jaime could actually care about beyond his family. Then the final episode ran... so I just imagine the last episode never happened.
The last season, sort of like the two Matrix movies.
Brienne is pretty good but she would have no chance agianst Jaime or the Hound if they weren't in poor condition.
and hand tied :)) dont forget
yavuz kul Yes, but Brienne is handcuffed too by the oath that she mad to Lady Stark, as Jaime said.
What you mean with "poor condition" about the Hound?
Joaquín Ibarra cardio :)
yavuz kul Is that a spoiler? I haven´t read the books.
Jaime never got any good fight scenes
Most of the GOT characters are getting shoddy fight scenes.
Medieval Genie, except Jon, cause he’s the ‘special main character’.
I have heard it's mostly because Nikolaj is a poor swordsman.
Joel the Great , a ducking idiot ruined the moment by stabbing starks’ leg
Lol he gauches Ned's boy. Made him look like a bitchmaid, not a good fighter.
As Colonel Wolodyjowski would say, "They're swinging as if with flails".
GoT fight scenes always required quite a bit of suspension of disbelief, especially when I was supposed to pretend that such and such person is amazingly skilled.
well, he is supposed to be the best
so i assume everyone else is absolute dogshit and cut themselves during battle
Barristan Selmy against the cult people or whatever they were was probably the worst. The man was described as a painter with a sword and the actor they chose to play him could barely even hold one.
I really love that growl he does as he grabs the sword and cuts the rope. A weak lion is still a lion.
I have to admit they really did Jamie wrong in this fight. The man is suppose to be hands down one of the best fighters in the show. Even in the books Briene wasn't able to beat him despite the insane disadvantage he had. For them to make him so underwhelming in this fight was really annoying to watch. And I was seriously looking forward to this to.
+Hannibal Rasberry He had his hands tied and he was unarmored.
Rex Marcus Same with how he was in the book. And the fight wasn't nearly as one sided as this.
+Hannibal Rasberry As already noted, he had his hands tied, no armour, not practised for a year and also been locked up in a cage, tied to a post and lived in his own shit and piss for a year. Probably not been fed too well either.....
Mark Livsey And as I already said, he was in the EXACT condition in the books, and this fight wasn't nearly as one sided. So that's no excuse.
+Hannibal Rasberry Maybe this is a more grounded interpretation of what happens in the books. I mean he was malnourished and spent the last year on the road in his own filth. Realistically this is exactly how it would have gone down, length wise as well perhaps. Also going by the source material.
_One of her slashes raked across his brow, and blood ran down into his right eye. The Others take her, and Riverrun as well! His skills had gone to rust and rot in that bloody dungeon, and the chains were no great help either. His eye closed, his shoulders were going numb from the jarring they'd taken, and his wrists ached from the weight of chains, manacles, and sword. His longsword grew heavier with every blow, and Jaime knew he was not swinging it as quickly as he'd done earlier, nor raising it as high._
_She is stronger than I am. The realization chilled him._
The end result felt very much the same as the show depicted.
All her opponents were at a disadvantage; Hound was wounded and had a fever, jaime was in captivity for a WHOLE year and in chains, and loras isn't anything special when he's not jousting, which is mostly a showoff.
+Ogahzlol All is fair in love and war, the characters never made excuses for their defeats, I don't quite understand why so many fans debate Brienne's victories, when it's a fight, it's only your problem if you're not in good nick when the fighting starts, it's just the way it is... and the story really does a good job of reflecting that.
+ChaoticNarrative You still cant deny Brienne had an advantage making her win the fight
I'm not denying it, what I mean to say is, regardless, she won, it's like Fencers whom whine about losing to a leftie, the fact is... they lost, or indeed getting a bad hand in cards.
ChaoticNarrative I know, but his point is, that Brienne isn't a fighter as great as Jaime or The Hound, she just had luck with the time she faced them
Aye, though she is a great warrior, she's not as great as Jaime at his best, the same could probably be said if she got the chance to fight Eddard Stark, however, in The Hounds Case, I'd say they were evenly matched, that bite from Rorge niggled him a bit but it didn't have an effect in the fight and Sure, she smashed him about with a rock when he had no rock or sword at the end of the fight, but... what is chivalry compared to life, The Hound would have done the same thing.
The look on Jaime's face at 2:07 is just hilarious. It's like "Wait... am I LOSING? How is this happening? THIS IS ILLEGAL"
He was starved,dragged, and weak but still could sword fight damn Jamie.
"You shouldn't grimace before you lunge."
This is literally what he just did.
" you shouldn't grimace before you lunge, gives the game away"
- grimace - lunge -
he just wanted to show it for her to understand
I actually like the snark from Jamie here. Really does make it seem that he's a great swordsman not just due to skill, but due to what he does during combat. Amping up his opponents, teasing them and basically messing with them. Potentially even strategically so. Gives the swordsmanship a flare aside from just movement, and fits very much the sort of Jamie we meet early on. Also brings some emphasis to his development and how he shifts
I love Jamie's attempted shoulder-shove that fails utterly. Being a good swordsman is one thing...but being stupid enough to think that you can defeat a fighter in full armor after being half-starved and abused really takes the cake.
Dude legit tried to shove someone heavier than him while he was dehydrated and starved lmao.
Brienne was also starved and tired
In the books, Jaimie narrowly beats her
"You shouldn't grimace before you lunge". Said before grimacing and lunging, very slowly.
That's his health.
he might not have lost a hand if it wasn't for this, they might have stayed ahead of Locke & reached KL
Matthew Christ Jaime would still be a prick if he hadnt lost his hand.
No zach
He changed a lot and his character developed
Did you watch the show?
Doubtful, Locke was a great hunter, he also had the advantage of a lot more men and more importantly, horses. They may have paced a while longer, but if Locke was diligent, he would have caught up to them on the same day, probably less than an hour.
I know I am 4 years late, but I always come back to these videos.
he would of lost his hand, and Briene her life if not for that. They were going to catch him and take his head regardless. and her life would of been taken if not for jaime mentioning the Sapphires. Lockehardt or however you spell his name is a cunt like ramsey. LUL
True
This show always has a knack of putting brienne in the spotlight when it comes to fighting handicapped people
I miss these two... Every scene together they had was done so well with the actor and actress having good work chemistry.
That fight costed Jaime's right hand.
yes it did
Brienne choosing not to kill the merchant they passed on the road was the biggest mistake.
Ansatsouken She is not evil.Valueable quality for a person which costs with a heavy price in a place like Westeros
Yeah, you're right, she's definitely not evil, very just in her thinking, but way too trusting too. It cost Jamie his hand, but we can only hope it will save Sansa's life in weeks to come!
Ansatsouken Let us hope you are right.
0:31 Jaime never saw Arthur Dayne fighting? XD
+Diego Pachón Arthur Dayne was pretty much his mentor. In the book he doesn't use 2 swords. He said "some knights" though. Arthur Dayne was not some knight.
Using 2 swords that heavy is insane, Arthur Dayne has to be pretty much the only person who could wield 2 heavy swords like this in the entire verse. The Hound and the Mountain would be strong enough to lift two swords but to effectively attack and defend with both swords you also need a lot of fluidity otherwise the extra sword is useless.
+theo konstantellos Maybe he was using lighter swords...
+theo konstantellos ..What? Both long-swords and arming swords(which most European knights did carry at once, historically) were built for one-handed use(as well as two-handed, in the case of the flexible longsword). So long as you have adequate strength in each arm, there's no reason why you wouldn't be able to hold a sword in each. And weight does not matter so much as balance. If the weight of the sword is balanced properly, it can be quite heavy before it starts to actually become impractical. In fact, swords tend to be weighty on purpose, as it literally adds weight to the swing. To use a bit of RPG terminology, when it comes to one-handed swords and longswords, dexterity is far more important than strength. So long as the swords are well-made, which you'd expect the best swordsman in Westeros to have, *any* knight could lift two swords effectively enough to learn Florentine techniques.
Whether or not dual-wielding swords is a good idea over say, two-handing a longsword, or dual-wielding a sword and a buckler or a parrying dagger, is another matter.
An average longsword weights about 1.1-1.8 kg. Thats not heavy, anyone can lift two swords .... ( its not common because its not practical, its much better to hold a shield or a buckler in your other hand. A sword and a dagger is a good combination though )
Ser Gerald Hightower could wield two probably as well as barristan and Jon snow maybe in the future
I love at 2:05 when Jaime tries to knock her over & ends up knocking himself over 😆
Fighting while starving i can imagine
im in rags, i know, i'll shoulder bash a butch beast of a woman in full steel armour. Genius! No. Not genius... whats the opposite of genius? Ah thats right, retarded.
He literally bounced off. Don't try power moves against a larger and physically stringer opponent, kids
In his words she’s a “beast of a woman” after all 😂
Series started off well, but would love to to see the rise of the elders, or everybody at their best form. We were robbed of seeing Jaime, Robert, Rhaegar, Dorn Fighters, and others in their primes that created the setting for this series
I won't lie, I kind of miss heel Jaime Lannister. He was an asshole, but he was lovable.
We still have Cersei
@@TTUploads not anymore
Brienne's level of skill is akin to Agrias Oaks, while Jaime is at Lu Bu level. Jaime also has Lu Bu's personality, and they are both the greatest and strongest fighters in the series. A healthy Jaime can destroy both the Hound and the Mountain at the same time.
Lu Bu and Diao Chan die together, Jaime and Cersei die together.
@@blessedevelyn339 Jaime wouldn't stand a chance against the hound
9@@jonathansenile4396 The Hound skill is at Gafgarion's level. Even if Hound uses cheap tricks, Jaime is prepared as despite being a knight, Jaime is a master of detecting deception/sabotage.
ROTK-wise, The Hound is only as good as Wei Yan or Gan Ning (who's martial abilities are about 92-95), while Jaime and Lu Bu are 100-110.
"Great beast of a woman" lol Jamie comes out with some classics
0:48 Jaime's hilarious
Even after all these years of the bitterness of season 8, I am considering watching this great show again.
Is season 8 that bad? I’m on season 5 right now and it’s hard to see it falling off.
@@Jacob-vs1ez Yes, it was hard to see. Which is why it was so shocking seeing it go bad that quickly. Season 5 is still good, Season 6 is already showing issues, but overall quite enioyable. From season 7 on it takes a nose dive into a pile of horseshit. Season 8 is so terrible that it is hard for me to believe it isnt a form of satire. But then again, the writers of that show started deviating from the books and writing their own plots and thats what we got. Especially in terms of dialogues quite early on.
That sword Jaime takes is pretty fuckin cool looking
i often wonder if the producers just hate him or if nikolaj coster-waldau cant be bothered learning to fight the way Jaime actually would.
The first comment I see that actually mentions the big bummer of this whole fight...
Tony Wilczynski Finally. we have heard of all the great deeds of Jaime off screen,including when Robb capturing him being said that he took down 20 men, but we never really SAW any of it. i go with Waldau not wanting to do great choreographies Arthue Dayne style at all
They whole scene looked fairly abysmal.
Oh, it's not like he at this point had starved for about a year, was malnourished and weak, had JUST begun to walk again after being sat down his whole imprisonment, thus fucking up his legs.
I mean, come on.. It's not THAT hard to know what's going on. Jamie was not portrayed anything like Dayne or himself in his prime, because he isn't meant to be like that in this scene.
Has most likely more something to with how the show is handled by the produceres, who are total hacks and can't write properly for the life of them.
As proven with Dorne, and generally the whole season 5.
Also, not like we havn't seen them do this before, (Berristan Selmy got the same shitty treatment).
they have such a nice chemistry
This is still one of the best scenes in the series IMO, just two knights duking it out in the middle of nowhere. Also Brienne vs The Hound, and The Hound and Arya vs Joffrey's men in the Tavern. The road always had that dangerous feel when characters were travelling and we never knew what was going to happen.
Gods the show was strong then...
Back when it took time (multiple episodes) to travel from one end of the continent to another, and it was possible for characters to encounter danger and death while traveling.
Vs. the later seasons when characters just teleport across the map when the plot demands it
And it is BAD. it completely downplays Jamie unlike the books
@@bait5257 I just read an excerpt of their fight, where he gets exhausted quicker bc his skills decayed while imprisoned, how she kept cutting him and it chilled him to realize she was stronger. That’s exactly how I and most show-watchers interpreted it, what would you have added or changed to this scene to make it more faithful to his written character?
@@TheFreshTrumpet
You literally cut the most important part, POV of brienne.
I know it's not possible in the show but at least indicate it in any way.
In this scene it more look likes breinne's time to shine moment.
Also, they added the unnecessary ned vs Jamie so now people think ned is on Par with Jamie. Jamie was supposed to be the strongest until he lost his hand. But the show never ever showed any sign of it
Edit : the pov mentions how she thinks she had no chance of winning if Jamie wasn't chained or exhausted
Hound vs Brienne is the best 1v1 in the series I reckon!
didn't Jamie almost win in the book? thats what always bothered me with this scene
the show couldn't handle brienne losing any fight
Yea iirc they cut each other pretty well before being captured
@Schwanzus Longus see how quick the writers made her lose to Arya? Apparently only a woman can defeat her, women have this unreal sort of power in GoT. They must've been confused as to whether they should make one woman be unrealistically powerful, or the other. So they decided that Arya would beat her easily, even though that doesn't make sense because they have different fighting styles that they both seem to have learnt well, one style cannot simply be better than the other, they both have their own sorts of experience
@Schwanzus Longus I dunno man. Consider that they absolutely ruined the most powerful and inspiring female characters in the series (Dany).
@Schwanzus Longus Ehhhh I don't think it's "muh feminism" I think Jaimie losing this fight is fairly realistic. Hes in no condition to fight. Though I think it should have showcased his skill a little more.
Brienne of Tarth. The most interesting man in Westeros
*Brian of Tarth.
Red Pill Intelligence
"" - Coster Waldau
Red Pill Intelligence Brienne*
Brian of Turd
She is more of a man than I ever was!
Jamie: I never understood why some knights feel the need to have two swords.
Arthur Dane: To kick ass and takes names.
It's a shame that the show couldn't display Jaime's legendary sword skills. Brienne was better than most knights of Westeros but Jaime was one of those exceptional natural swordsmen who come about in a century or so. This is further reinforced by her own testimony that it took all of her skill and strength to keep the Kingslayer at bay. Unhampered and at full strength no one could have stood before him.
Yeah; When Locke does what he does a few episodes from now, we see it, but don't truly _feel_ it because the show never really showed us Jaime at his best.
It's still a great scene, but it tells a different story to the books; TV show Jaime is a good swordsman, sure, but over-praised due to his family name, raised to the kingsguard prematurely due to Aerys' animosity towards his father, and his fall from grace (and hence later redemption) begins, not with a lisping psychopath sellsword, but here on the bridge, beaten in pretty short order by a woman, not even a knight, who he arrogantly assumed to be lesser than himself.
Yup cus d and d don’t know wtf to do soooooo
Wow from fighting her to knighting her Jaime has come a long way RESPECT
He respected her at the beginning here. Notice he is already referring to her as a knight.
He said grimace. As in an angered-like expression. Dis-tasteful expression. In essence, he was saying by making that face you reveal that you are about to attack.
Uh, no shit. He literally said that.
This comment was meant to be replied to someone, directly... For whatever God-awful reason, RUclips Mobile fails to pinpoint my desired location. Someone in the comments could not decipher what Jaime tells Briene. So shove your no shits where the sun don't shine.
Erron Black Either the best put down I've seen since Barristan Selmy. Or you are the greatest troll in existence good sir. :)
alexano oneoone By the old Gods, and the new. I swear that I am not trolling.
Erron Black Haha. I'm a big fan Erron. You wreck on Mortal Kombat X.
It was only when I read the books after the series ended and found out how elite Jaime’s skills were did I realise how important this scene was.
1:07
Listen to the tauntive cunning in his voice.
He sounds exactly like Tyrion!
And so the foreplay began
In the books Brienne's inner thoughts reveal that she doesn't believe she could have beaten Jaime if he wasn't slowed by the chains. Even with his handicap she still had a hard time against him.
Speaks to Jaime's skill that he gave Brienne a fight even though his hands were chained and he was weakened by malnourishment and fatigue from being a prisoner for so long. If he was as fresh as Brienne was here, I doubt she lasts long against him.
He is so gleeful at having a sword in his hands again and absolutely certain he will win. Oh dear.
He should've
Jaime looks like a star wars fanboy when he picks up his sword
Crazy how lowkey lucky she is, she fights jaime in his weakest state, and then luckily finds the hound almost dead
Looking back...and pretending season eight never happened...Jamie really is the best character on this show.
That's Tywin, hands down.
@@JakeKoenig Tyrion, hands down.
Tyrion, then Jaime
Theon greyjoy Would like to have a word with you
Thats the night king, hands up
This fight scene is longer than Captain Phasma's screentime in "The Force Awakens" and "The Last Jedi".
and now at season 8, jamie knighted brienne, what a character development
RIP character development.
In my quest to find out how good Jaime Lannister was, I found this from A Feast of Crows, "Brienne remembered her fight with Jaime Lannister in the woods. It had been all that she could do to keep his blade at bay. He was weak from his imprisonment, and chained at the wrists. No knight in the Seven Kingdoms could have stood against him at his full strength, with no chains to hamper him."
With that in mind, this fight is a bit of a character assassination against Jaime.
Not really. I'll bet that the choreographer read that, snorted, and said "well, that's stupid as hell, let's do an actual realistic fight". I can see Jamie holding his own, but actually forcing Brienne back? When he's that weak? I don't care how skilled he is. Unless he has magic powers, he still loses in very short order. Either he kills Brienne in the first thirty seconds (and doesn't, because she's pretty darn good in her own right) or she wins.
@@Cailus3542 Except that's not how it was written in the books. I'm all for taking poetic license but all through the show we were told his reputation but he was found lacking almost every single time.
@@Cailus3542what the fuck are you talking about? did u read the books? Because that's exactly what happens lol
Jaime and Barristan in terms of their combat abilities were heavily downplayed by Dumb and Dumber.
@@Cailus3542 Yeah it's not realistic, but this is the same series in which Gregor Clegane exists, the 8 foot tall monster who can crush skulls with his hands. It doesn't need to be super realistic, Jaime is an near invincible monster with a sword before he lost his hand.
Notice how Jaime was actually giving Brienne a hard time at first it wasn't until towards the end he was starting to get tired and Brienne had the advantage
Anyone from 2nd episode?
Alright kid,you are a knight now!
-Jamie Lannister
After all this time I think I found out what this show did wrong at Jaime right here. In the books, Jaime, even in this dreary state, is so good of a swordsman that Brienne almost doesn't stand a chance. Do you know how this show should have depicted that? I have just watched the duel from Troy between Brad Pitt (Achilles/god) and Hector. Brad Pitt is very calm during the fight and you can see that even though he moves fast as HELL, he is breathing slowly and steadily. Hector is getting more and more tired, breathing super fast, and getting drenched in sweat, his hair is oily and he can't keep up with Brad's pace. Brad Pitt employs EXTREME stability in his legs, for example when he lands from a jump he doesn't even boggle for one centimeter, he lands and stays in that position like a solid marble statue. Hector, in opposition, stumbles over a rock. Even in the movements it looks like Brad has something like a 6th sense that helps him predict Hectors attacks, and you can really FEEL the gap between a God at work, and a mere human, Hector. One last thing, you can see that Brad plays with Hector like with a toy. He could have killed him many times during the fight, but chose not to, when he punched Hector with his fist, or even just pushed him away with his bare hand. That's another way to further show his supremacy over Hector.
Hector stood his ground as long as humanly possible vs half god. After this Achilles was super pissed off and dragged him few circles around Troy to mock Hector stubbornness and arrogancy.
@@Glory264 yes
so... you think jaime should have been portrayed as a god in this duel?
Or basically just a very skilled swordsman
Yeah, that was a great sword fight.
watching this however many years later i just went "ohh! he has both hands!"
Her stance gets more open and more relaxed as the fight goes on. Cuz she slowly realizes hes not even a threat. At the start she's in like a full guard. By the end she's 1 handing everything and standing straight on at him lol
I love how Brienne makes a horse sound at the very end.
It is sad for me to watch all those great epic scenes knowing how it all ends in one of the greatest disasters ever seen in filmmaking.
It’s such a damn shame we never really got to see Jaime fighting and dominating with his hand in this show…it would’ve been great to see him on the battlefield against Rob’s men just going ham.
Exactly. The only reason he didn't kill Robb in the books is his sword got stuck in someone else's head.
@@user-nv2wt4hi8t it got stuck on his way to Robb... by then, his elite companions were down and he was alone and surrounded. As great as younare, at that point it's game over.
'It was one thing to slay a lion, another to hack his paw off and leave him broken and bewildered.'
Brienne getting the knights ceremony was huuuge moment.
He had no armor, no training for over a year, had his hands chained up, dirty, and had walked hundreds of miles (tired) Now tell me, who do you think would've won.
he was def at a disadvantage but how does armor really play into that? in this scenario all it would do is slow him down
Grammar Nazi book jaime is supposed to be the best swordsman in westeros. Given his condition, im pretty sure he couls kill this wench in less than a minute
He was also slower and weaker since he was being starved for so so long
Exactly !! like how all these guys in full armor piss and shit. I know it takes ages for someone to put an armor on, even with other people helping. Do they have to take it off everytime they wanna piss ? Can they just sleep in it ???
Doesn’t change the fact that he still lost
1:37 Is anyone gonna talk about how badass that "honorable" blade-interlocking round was; how they geometrically check each other "around the clock" trying to gain the upper hand move-for-move? It's so well choreographed and frankly beautiful to watch. The gliding effect, the sound design, the technique (not to mention dangerously high stakes) is just all round superb!
Gets my panties in a twist. And I'm not even wearing panties. Nor am I a woman.
Lol dude
Its a shame that we didn't get to see more of Jamie's Sword fighting.
Nikolaj Coster-Waldau sucked at it, that's why.
@@JakeKoenig They could've made it seem good, no actor knows how to use the long sword, and its just choreography, and after like 1 move they could cut and shoot the next one. So they could've made it work easily, i ques the lore couldn't find him anymore opponents that would've had change to beat him and after losing the hand he could've used the gold hand as a shield and then we could have few scenes more where he fights with his left hand.
Nikolaj is the best sword fighter ever.
"You shouldn't grimace before you lunge"
proceeds to grimace before every sword stroke.
I just realized, this was the last time Jamie had both hands for a fight
They really should've had Jaime have a bit more fight in him. How it went in the series, he looks like a massive goose and a great big sack of wind, thanks to this scene. True, at this point Jaime was a long imprisoned, skinny and malnourished sack of bones barely kept together by some skin and withered muscle. Still, he was one of the most skilled fighters under the sun and they should've driven that point by having him give Brienne a much harder time.... like it went in the book, as much as I hate to be the book-nerd. it would've made the cutting of his hand a much more dramatic moment for the character, too.
Oh well. Coster-Waldau does such a good job portraying Jaime and the change of his character that it's not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things.
2:05 - the moment she stopped messing around with him
"You shouldn't grimace before you lunge it gives away the game." *Immediately grimaces as he makes his next move*
That aside though I fucking love this scene. Jaime's excitement and confidence with a sword in his hand for the first time in months, Brienne dropping into stance refusing to back down from one of the greatest swordsman alive. These two are about it when it comes to swordplay and it's awesome, sucks they never got to fight or spar with an even playing field, Jaime's at a huge disadvantage here but even at full strength with armor it would definitely be a fight
No, it wouldn't. The ONLY reason Brienne gets out of this fight alive is because he's been a prisoner for a year, starved and exhausted. In the books, he still outfights her even in this state and she decides to wrestle him with her superior strength. The show made it more even because that's somehow more cinematic, but the books scene is much more in line with the lore and both characters.
I've said it once and I'll say it again. Jaime literally could've gotten a better prosthetic hand that would allow him to grip a sword properly. Gotz of the Iron Hand was a real life mercenary who did the exact same thing after he lost his hand in battle
At first I didn’t like the fighting as it looked like she was pulling her strikes. But as soon as I thought about it and realized she wasn’t even trying to kill him, the pulling back made a lot more sense and made the scene that much better.
That look she gives him at 2.10. "You ain't got shit on me"
I like how they change guards thats actually how it works
So Brienne beat Jamie, The Hound, and Loras. Who's next? The Mountain?
I heard in season 7 they would bring Arthur Dayne back from the dead and she would beat the hell out of him.
She beat a weakened, chained Jaime and a sick, infected Hound. Arthur Dayne would destroy her.
Probably the Other is next
Wounded Stannis.
nelson diaz like Loras is proven to be a great challenge :p