In The Shadows - Pumping Iron & PED Use - Part Two
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2023
- Part Two analyses PED use of some of the main players in the movie "Pumping Iron" including Arnold Schwarzenneger, Frank Zane and Franco Columbu.
A referenced script will be added to my Medium blog page.
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Excellent research and production, Shawn! Your hard work is much appreciated. Looking forward to the next installment.
Hey mate thanks again for checking in and leaving a comment!
Outstanding presentation and writing. I have truly enjoyed this series thus far. I look forward to part 3!
Hey Greg - glad you enjoyed it and thanks for watching mate. Really appreciate the comment.
Great stuff! Rest assured, the faithful are here and appreciate the work sir!
I missed this comment, but thank you alwyas for checking in regularly my friend ❤️
They used a lot of gear in the 70’s.
Mike Mentzers training partner said they used 1500mg of Deca a week.
I read a Muscular Development article that said Arnold’s cycle was like 700mg of Dbol a week and 1000 primo.
Thanks for the vid.
Hey mate thanks for the comment and yes check out the next part in the series which goes into Mike's doses
As someone who has taken steroids, take it from me, they work. The claims by Arnold, et al, that steroids have a negligible effect are patent bullshit. When I figured this out as a young lifter I lost a lot of respect for these guys.
Good video. Thanks for sharing.
hey Phreestyle1 - yeah it's disingenuous misinformation at best. Even Tom Platz with his "they add about 5% - they're the wax-sheen on a sports car" nonsense.
"Do as we say, not as we do" is all too common in the fitness industry. Cheers for watching!
From my own experience, they change every parameter in your physiology and metabolism. They are terrific (spoken in a thick Austrian accent). Unfortunately I had bad acne and testicular shrinkage, so had to go off completely, but what I have experienced was super human.
Lmao. "Steroids don't work, they just let off a placebo effect." Hahahahahhahahah
Weider often had in his publications , declarations from doctors that their is no medical proof that steroids work - lol. This was the 80s! I already knew it was lie ! I was in teens .
Lol
Yet , he sold crappy supplements
Steroids don’t work they are a temporary enhancement, when go off , you shrink and fast, when you really go off , you go back to what you would have become if you never took them a pumped some weights. The evidence on this is of no debate. Now having said that , while on they work, they make you bigger stronger, and closer to death. Do they work in what context, they don’t work, in what context. But be sure that when you decide to go down that route, you decide to take the risk of illness, skin disorders, organ destruction, hormonal disruption, hair loss , heart problems, muscle stiffness. All for about 10-20% more than what you have achieved without them, but to each them own. No trife from me on either side, I wanted to live past 50 and still pump weights, I love it, but I had the wherewithal to know the ramifications as I got my education in the Late 70s and early 80s. Let me tell you the 80s was a nuclear explosion of PED use and chemical cocktails. I whacked many a gym colleague get everything I mentioned above including dropping dead, dick not working, man you in your 20s and you sick don’t work, not for me I said, but you sure look good. The ying and yang of anything I guess.
Somewhat true...people who start using train harder
Holy shit what an amazing well researched video . Oufffff. Man, like ,WOW. Zane's poem was pretty deep and summed it up best . My mouth still waters though when mentioning the primo. I've tried em almost them all back in the day but Primo Depot from Shering in those two cc ampulues. That was gold. Anyway I'm not here to talk about that ,Kudos on the video sir - Subbed
Aww man, really appreciate those kind words. I would love to try some primo, but I heard it shreds the hairline pretty hard. Amazing all those guys still had the best heads of hair, even deep into old age.
@@carvedouttastone Im Convinced Paul Grant had a rug on
JUST SUBSCRIBED, the BEST channel on the history of bodybuilding PERIOD!!!! Binge watching now!!!💯
Mate you have no idea how happy that makes me to read your comment. Recently, I was wondering whether I should or shouldn't continue making vids because it seems very few people are even interested. But it's comments like yours that keep me going. Thanks again
Love the series man! Keep doing you 🎉
"I did not use them for muscle growth, but muscle maintenance" Oh come on arnie...
The guy is literally Pinocchio
The more people admitted it the more the general public drew idiotic conclusions that roids=muscle instead of them helping with hard work n nutrition, just like nowadays 😂😂
Yes that's what George Butler from pumping Iron said. Damned if they do, damned if they don't, so to speak.
Impressive effort to the amount of research that goes into this video… love the lighthearted clips, well done my love 😍
Thank you my love. ❤
This was great. Thank you for putting it together.
Thanks!
Love the work you've put into this 4 part series, as a life time natty who has always flirted with the idea of steroids i always find the subject very interesting and a big fan of the 60/70s i love hearing stories from back then
On a side note, Arnold is probably the most photographed man in history, there is so much pictures of him, I thought I have seen a lot, but in each of your videos I see footage that I didn't know existed. And you can see that he enjoys the spotlight and attention more than today's ig models. He makes use of every opportunity to publish and control his image. Taschen is selling now a ridiculously priced photo book in two volumes of Arnold. I think it's a part of his recent offensive along with the netflix series to shape his image and immortalise himself in global culture. What an ego trip at age 75...
Exactly. Butt hurt every time he is not the center of attention. It's an old story with him. Lies stacked on top of lies, stacked on top of more lies. I believe nothing this man says.
Yes, it's kinda sad that Arnold could have sailed off into the sunset with a killer legend propelling his legacy, but he's sunk most of his former credibility and cache still trying to be old-man insta-famous. It's a bit pathetic
I remember reading Hitler was the most photographed/filmed person.
Great videos mate I watched this after the first one . Well presented. That Arnold accent had me dead onya mate
Haha thanks mate. I try to put some expression and personality into the reading; but I was hesitant to go full Arnold. It just doesn't work if I read it in a non accented voice 😅
This is a great site! Glad I discovered it. Good stuff
Hey James. Awesome that you found the channel and thanks for leaving such a kind comment. Hope you enjoy the other vids 💪
Awesome insights:D
Thank you mate - hope you enjoyed it
Great truth telling and recount of an amazing time ! Your explanation is like 50 videos in one 1️⃣! Good job sir 🫡
Hey Sam, gotta thank you for the positive comments left on my videos. Really appreciate you watching and giving me your feedback. Thanks again 🙏
I like your approach.
Cheers bannerhulk. Check out my other vids in the series if you liked this one
A person will only get as big as their genetics will let them. Then come the drugs. Great video. True!
That's the real reality - genetics. Take all the drugs, best diet , best training - can only play the cards the gods dealt you. Thanks for watching mate
The best doco I’ve ever seen. All these bullshitting bodybuilders just make me laugh and I love the fact they rip all there fans off with there bullshit lol. Yes every one can be like Arnold without drugs lol. The IFBB ban the use of drugs 😂😂😂😂
Love this channel
Thank you mate. Means so much to get that kind of supportive feedback
Good documentary!
Thanks mate. Glad you liked it and hope you enjoy the other vids on the same topic I've made also
“ dampen their commercial appeal “ …. Your statement sums up the bodybuilding world.
Game over .
It's all about the money; and muscles aren't money in the bank, unfortunately. Thanks for commenting as always mate.
Well Done !
Good videos dude! That's why I'm drawn to the bronze era! People have always been liars, but you can trust someone who never had the option and some of them had phenomenal accomplishments!
Hey mate thanks for those kind words. Love your insta page 💪❤️. True, some of those bronze era bodybuilders were incredible - especially their strength feats. They did so much with literally nothing in such unlikely times
Another great video. Why do you think so many of the 70’s steroid users seem to live healthy into their 70’s, but the bodybuilders that came later seem to have far more health issues and premature death. Maybe you could do a video on this topic?
probably has to do with compound selection, amount of time using said compounds, food intake, and the fact that most body builders in the 70s were fairly active outside of the gym and lived healthier lives outside of the gym. people now are using hgh, insulin, igf1 on top of tesosterone, deca, tren, etc, while using anciliaries like t3/t4 and clen, eating more food, and are being less active outside of the gym. in the 70s they mostly used dbol and deca, the deca dosages were smaller than what people run for their injectables now. and they werent mixing in primo until contest time, and i have a feeling they would phase out the deca and dbol closer to show time. something im curious about is if they did the "time on = time off" rule in the 70s. we know now that depending on your goal it isnt necessary, but they didnt know that. they also ate less food and outside of meth and adderall i have a feeling like their rec drug use was less
Hey Jordan thanks for the kind words. I think 90s bodybuilding began to push the extremes - but John D Fair does a Mr America comparison pre and post drugs of the winners of the Mr America title and their respective age at death. The winners pre the introduction of dianabol etc mostly lived to a very good age - an average of 76 years whle those of the steroid era (including the 60s and 70s.bodybuilders you speak of) the average age of death is 53 - a differential of 26.5 years
Hi Shawn, keep up the great content my friend. So, I don’t know who that guy is or where his research came from, but it didn’t seem right, so I did a little research. STILL LIVING… Arnold (75) Mike Katz (78) Lou Ferigno (71) Frank Zane (80) DIED AT AGE Ed Corney (85), Franco (78), Serge (72), Paul Grant (60), Sergio Olivia (71), Larry Scott (75). So as you can see those are all healthy long lives w the exception of Paul Grant. What do you think?
Hey mate. Fair point. Could probably add Dickerson and Draper to that list too. Have a read of this good comparison and extrapolation of pro bodybuilder deaths vs other sports and average American males. It's quite interesting - www.thebarbell.com/do-pro-bodybuilders-die-younger-than-average/
@@carvedouttastone yes, I Definitely should of included Draper. I don’t remember Arnold ever talking about Dickerson or seeing him anywhere from the pumping iron era. Maybe he was there like Albert Beckles, I just didn’t notice him. Oh and Robbie Robinson he’s still alive too. Thanks for sharing, I’ll check it out
Well done and very professional... Sad that the stars lied....
Thanks mate. Lying comes with the territory in this game it seems
Yes!
Hey Marcello! Thanks always for watching
thank you
Thanks buddy
Any time Batman!
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.Don’t forget about muscle memory (Facia Stetching). When a bodybuilder comes back and rapidly gains muscle. The cells have been there before and gains are lightning fast. Same thing with prior drug use, the cells will return to old levels of growth almost in a few months, the same growth that took Years
Yes indeed. Good point
Great video. Wendy Leigh in her book, as I remember, said Arnold began training at 13 and started on PEDs almost immediately.
Yes Rick Wayne collaborated the same info. I think Rick was her source for much of that book's earlier years coverage
Thank you for watching and also for leaving a comment. I really appreciate the support
Excellent good quality video! In his first book Arnold writes that he can easily gain or lose 30 lbs (13.6 kilos). Add in the extra benefit of a lower fat percentage and the optical results were even bigger. As he never was fat in those years, I guess the 30 lbs difference can only be the result of his on/off PED use.
Thanks William. The problem with anything Arnold writes is that it's usually an exaggerated, ghost written embellishment of what "actually" happened. The guy literally lies about everything - his height, weight, PED use, workout length ("I trained 5 hours, twice per day etc), so trying to pin him down on the actual truth is akin to lining up a moving target at a distance. His life story and everything he recounts is indiscernible from the self constructed and ultimately self serving mythology.
Thinking about the psychology of his early years and his determination to become the "best" in bodybuilding, I don't think he would've even considered pumping the brakes with any "time-off". Even during his army stint he was huge. I think "time off" only became a factor when he needed to start slimming down for acting gigs as he was too oversized for the screen at that time.
Cheers for the comment!
@@carvedouttastone AND I QUOTE.....ANYTHING ARNOLD WRITES IS USUALLY AN "GHOST WRITTEN EMBELLISHMENT"....Followed by "The guy literally lies about everything." ..........SO.............uhm..........Which one is it?...........That is a contradiction.
If "ANYTHING ARNOLD WRITES IS "GHOST WRITTEN EMBELLISHMENT."......
Then it is....GHOST WRITTEN . That implies someone else wrote it. Paradocillay you say HE LIES about everything?.....But you stated he doesn't "USUALLY WRITE" and it's "GHOST WRITTEN????"....you can't be 2 places at the same time on this. Which one is it?
Can you please also show us the link to where Arnold stated...."(I trained 5 hours,twice per day etc)....So You are stating that Arnold claimed to train 5-session's -twice a day for a total of 10 hours?......Fascinating. can you please tell us where and when HE stated this?....
Was it truly ARNOLD that said it?...OR another "GHOST WRITTEN EMBELLISHMENT.?"
This time from some one with a RUclips channel?
Arnie, in so many ways, was boosted beyond what he really was. Mostly due to Joe Weider's manipulations. His first Mr Olympia title should have gone to Sergio. And his last win in 1980 should have gone to Mike Mentzer. You look at the field of competitors and Mike stands out, while Arnie looked pretty unrefined. Politics won out for Arnie. Great video sir, thank you.
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You're welcome and thanks for commenting. Yes, check out some of the earlier vids on the Arnold Weider relationship and how that worked in each man's favor. Thanks again
This is gold 😂😂
Thanks for watching and leaving a comment. Hope you enjoyed it 😊
Fantastic. So funny to hear what obvious steroid users say to deny usage. Very fun videos. Looking forward to part 3!
Hey thanks for that kind comment. Glad you enjoyed. Part 3 this weekend!
At 6:27 it looks like Arnold was pouring himself a glass of milk. I remember in pumping iron he stated that he does not drink milk...
Arnold says lots of things. Flip a coin whenever he opens his mouth to decide whether it's BS or not
@@carvedouttastone 🤣👍
Exceptional peice. I remember Platz preaching that "once a year " BS on local TV in the mid eighties after guest posing in my town. Back then, that "position" all these roll models of the so called sport took actually served as a real gateway to those who's ethical compass usually maintained a northern position. Actually quite diabalocial when you think about it.
Please do a Mike Mentzer video
I'd like to but he's a bit saturated at the moment with all the vids I see popping up on him. I like to approach each figure topic in a different way so I'd have to think about how I'd approach the life of Mike
They were discussed very openly in the Golden Era, and viewed like taking a vitamin.
Not according to my research. As mentioned by Danny Padilla in the first 5 mins "noone discussed it - it was like a plumbers union". They didn't view it as vitamins in the golden era because they had to go to docs to get it prescribed or travel across the Mexican border to load up from the pharmacias
They knew they were using drugs - hence the stigma and code of silence
@@carvedouttastone Man ive heard so many rumors over the years about what they took in the Golden Era, the one thing I can tell you is bs is the low doses they said they took.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines lol. Ok Mr expert. 😂
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Great Great content. It's the perfect metaphor for everything in 2023 where every single thing that comes out of anyone's mouth in sports, entertainment, politics and life in general is a complete lie.
Great point there mate. It is indeed all a game of smoke and mirrors aimed at misdirection and your wallet
Finally...The TRUTH!
great job
Thank you for watching and leaving a comment Public Static Void
What you are missing is the quantum leap from healthy non-drugged natural training of Reeves, Ross, Grimek, and the AAU Mr. A's from the forties / fifties.
By the early sixties, when I competed in BB, OL, and PLing, everyone on top was on chemicals. That was the 'day the music died'. Our iron sport went from being about health, muscular development, good eating, strength... TO a bunch of chemical clowns in Joe and Ben's IFBB steroid circus becoming comic book characters... Scott, Poole, Sergio, Pearl...all on bathtubs full of gear... Today all the 'pro's' [guffaw] spend a hundred grand a year to net ten grand after bills for drugs, plane tickets, hotels, groceries...
Grimek wasn't "natural" as clearly explained in my earlier videos. Reeves and the rest probably "dabbled" even if they didn't commit would be the logical leap of inference based on the historical record
After the 74 Mr Olympia to do what movie he went from 240 drop down to 210 and for Pumping Iron he was only about 2:30
Yeah all in the sport of bodybuilding in the golden era took steroids. It is still popular today among bodybuilders and wrestlers. But it is not natural, and karma you can’t escape from, Arnold having two heart surgeries and Colombo having a heart attack while swimming once you have a big engine it needs to have the carbon burned out of it in order for it to run, but if standing dial it’s out of tune and get old doesn’t help either lol
"It's not important if he lives or dies, it's important that he WINS"
Dam thats wild 😂😂😂
Matty was in it for all the marbles 😂
Actually, Arnolds calves don't look like implants. Take a look at Lou Ferrigno in 1993 I think, in the Olympia, that is what implants look like.
So take it up with Ric Draisin. He's the one who made the statement. I just report it
@@carvedouttastone Don't really need to take it up with anyone. It is just a comment on your channel, take it as you want.
Arnold Schwarzenegger was his largest in 1974. That was the culmination of many years of “use”.
Doesn't seem to be a part 3, even though there's a part 4??
It's the video before this one - the topic is golden era doctors and gurus
Sorry, the video before.part 4.
Bodybuilders are just like politicians...they all tell the truth
I truly like Ric Drasin, but the calf implant claim seems utterly ridiculous. There would be scar tissue like on a female rack job, and who was doing such procedure in the 70s? That's highly improbable.
Yeah, I wondered about this particular.detail as well. Because if a person bullshits about one thing knowingly, then to me it compromises their integrity on everything else they report. In regards to the calf implants tho - I know Louie Ferrigno definitely got them and there wasn't any tell tale scarring, so who knows. Poliquin used to say the same thing about Arnold years ago
People always say the IFBB is a not drug tested federation, which is not true. Well, at least according to their own rulebook, which clearly states they test. Wish they actually followed any of their rules, but they do not.
Arnold was just bulky when he arrived to the US, that's why he lost. He learned to be leaner from Frank Zane.
The video says this
@@carvedouttastone My bad. Up to where I watched it said he was both, as if he changed the game. Didn't watch full.
Mantiser jealousing on the back side of gold's gym counter hahahahaha😂😂😂😂
8:04...... So wait, your body goes back to normal when you stop taking drugs, yet they don't help? Yeah that makes sense.
Yeah exactly right. Well, he loses the 5% he said he gains from their use. Bullshit. 😂
8:56
Todo lo que quieras referente a arnold, pero en la actualidad alguien ha podido superar sus biceps? Lo dudo...
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13:00bro 😂
Arnold has more to lose so he has to be careful what he says to the world at large. He probably knows other bodybuilders will know he is not being candid, but might expect them to be more silent about it. He was lucky not to get side effects like hair loss. Dbol is not nice drug. I got Pronabol made in India from Amsterdam in 1992 and it just made me look and feel bloated and I stopped and sold what I had.
Hey mate - just want to say thank you for the "super-like' donation first off. I really appreciate it. I remember trying Dbol once also and yes, I felt so terrible I stopped it after a few days. I couldn't tolerate it. Thanks again for commenting and watching!
@@carvedouttastone creating content is work so thanks bro
This one is funny : he took Dianabowl
Frank that ever-subtle jokester. 😂
You forgot to mention their nutritionist........ Irving Johnson otherwise known as Rheo H. Blair........
Mentioned him in Part 1. The series also isn't over, so there's more to come
Without steroids there will still be bodybuilding but without steroids there will be no ifbb.
Yes fair point. Minus the freaks, people wouldn't care
8-9 dbol tablets is not a lot as they were 5mg! That’s a low dose a day. Jerry Brainum saw George Ortiz down a 100 at once.
@jamiealexander3682 oh yeah! Freddy Ortiz, dunno what I was thinking. 😄
Butler was Arnold's homosexual buddy and advocate.
Is this the real Dave Dupre?
@@carvedouttastone Yes, and I've been working on a book about what was going on in the silver and golden age bodybuilding world. I just turned 80 and people keep telling me to write about my life in bodybuilding, but who really cares?
@@daviddupre5591 I'd buy it. I'd love to read about your life because I know you had some stories with Arnold then. Would also be great to interview you sometime when it's done
Would love to hear some drug and ped protocols of some of the top bodybuilders.
Some much speculation but no hard evidence.
300mg a week would get anybody big in the 70s
Two things: (1) Were they full of shit in their downplaying the extent of their use? YES. (2) Were they still taking less than the modern freaks? YES.
Get to the chopper
Arnold dancing 🤦🏻
Damn calf implants? Do you believe that?
Right and you trained with Arnold like Ric Draisin did for 4 years? 😂🙄
Watch the video you clueless knob and see how it's not a deflection. Instead of spamming my channel with your drivel, go put some effort into that joke you call a channel 😂
@carvedouttastone where did Ric Drausin cite Arnold's calf implants....in a book? I do agree that he had a meteoric calf transformation roughly between '69 and '71 Mr. O's... I've always agreed with Arnold's calf philosophy that they are the benchmark for "good legs" and emphasized calf development my entire life because of Arnold. If he did get implants, I understand why because he's always been envious of competitors' calves back when they were still a weakness. Calves were actually judged during the golden era unlike today where the judges don't GAF about Calves. Also, Ferrigno definitely had implants also when he made his comeback in the 90s. Regardless both of them obviously had the implants removed because if you look at their Calves now they look pretty "normal"... in Arnold's case most likely because he's not on heavy doses of gear anymore.... but man, even in his movie career the Calves were still incredible as seen in the movie Twins.... the only way I would "doubt" the implants is the Calves were still striated, again as seen in Twins and implants usually have a smooth look about them.... anyway I'm no calves implant expert and still proud of myself for putting about 1.5-2" on mine in my adult life...partly thanks to Arnold but mostly due to consistent training for decades. 💪💪
Article was posted on a forum; not sure where it was originally published, but rick's done a variety of similar articles edited depending on the publication
www.elitefitness.com/forum/threads/arnold-and-the-boys-training-and-what-they-cycled.227678/
@@carvedouttastone man, you are toxic.
Whole lot of lying going on!
Respect for having the balls to make this film. It pisses me off how revered this scumbag is.
Thanks Paul. The purpose of my vids is never to excoriate or judge anyone, but just piece together the scattered narratives into a cohesive framework to tell a larger story. Sometimes I interlace my opinions and reactions, but on a whole I leave it up to the viewer to decide. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment.
Hmmmmm ok but its acceptable and ok for a woman to take estrogen hmmm k.....i think like everything its moderation and a non abuse issue...but its ok for most Americans especially Native Americans, Blacks and Irish to be raging drunks (yes if you have 6 or more beers a night or a 12pack etc.... you're a DRUnK period) ...
Thanks!
Thank you so much mate I really appreciate the kind gesture! ❤️💪🙏