When the gentleman stated he was in constant euphoria, I had to lol because that is a well known effect of dbol. Yet he wasn't sure if it were the pills, training ect. No buddy, it was the dbol.
Boyer Coa ! One of the most consistent & talented bodybuilders of all time, strength, integrity, The Man has more knowledge than the majority, a true Warrior, if the Weiders and print media had any integrity this Man is at the top of the pyramid,, A True champion,, Much respect 👊
I saw a bodybuilding contest in New Jersey in which Sergio Oliva and Chet Yorton guest posed. Both of these legends looked phenomenal! When Chet was done posing, he grabbed the mic and gave a lecture to the audience on the evils of anabolic steroids. I remember him naming Frank Zane as an example of a bodybuilder who was "up and down like a yo-yo" in terms of size based on whether he was on a cycle or not!
@@mamster233 From memory, and I’m old so could be clouded, Frank alluded to it in a poem in his book, Mind Body Spirit. it had an allegory of his daily use. Just google it, you will find it.
Hey Lawrence - mate I really appreciate that very kind praise. Hopefully part 2 (the 1970s) is even better, but I get a blast from deep dive research into this topic.
@@carvedouttastone You're welcome., I'm looking forward to the next chapter of this. This production shows the good, the bad, and the ugly which makes for an engaging story. Your passion shows in your work for sure.
By 1970 Reg looks like he was on the sauce. And i agree. While they give u a euphoric feeling , there are dsys where u just dont feel good . I attribute that to your kidneys & liver working overtime.
Wow, very well done and amazing video! Might shut up some of the nostalgia over the "old days" where "everyone" was drug free. Ive been lifting 39 years and it did t take long for me as a teen to realize all the pros were lying about being natty. I was at the tail end of beingable to get good pharma grade gear, now its all mostly UGL. These men, as well as a few women were the pioneers of the sport and I envy the lack of information they must have had because now a days we get info from a 10" diameter hose...too much too fast and it hets confusing. They had to figure things out themselves, there were no real studies and few people were doing it. Also, the experiment on the high school kids is unbelievable!Cant wait to watch part 2, but this time on my tv. Well done!
Hey Mike thanks for those kind words and I agree totally with the sentiments regarding today's era. Figuring it out solo is part of the fun of self experimentation I believe. Hope you enjoy Part 2 when I release it this week....was a very deep rabbit hole to explore connections I never knew before.
I see pictures of Yorton at his peak and I just can't buy into any idea that he might be natural. And Larry Scott's retort is spot on. Saying something so ridiculous only makes me think he is lying. Maybe he went natural from then on, but I don't believe he was always clean.
Agreed. Especially if you state it like this "Natty Yorton defeats drugged to the gills, Arnold". PED's were mostly considered benign supervitamins and no one knew the morality, legality or health issues that eventually became manifest with time. I envision most of the early era "natty" guys probably indulged the Dboll at one time or another. Thanks for watching mate
This was a very interesting documentary. In the mid-90's, I weighed 165lbs and very lean. By the 1999-2000, I weighed 205 @ 5-7% bf, all natural. I stand 5'8" tall, so I looked pretty jacked. Now at age 63, I'm at 190lbs, but probably around 15+% bf. Still lifting, but injuries have slowed me down. I'm proud that I never took gear. But I do not judge those who have. I simply did not want to deal with any adverse health issues. Part 2 of your series is getting clicked next. Cheers!
I hate to do this to you, however I have to call utter BS on your claims! Not everyone here is as gullible as you may wish them to be! 5ft 8in, 205lbs at 5-7% body fat? In other words you were close to upper level, possibly even lower level pro bodybuilding at the time....and natural at the same time! Pull the other one.
@@truthsayerq7264 sorry to disappoint. Those stats are honestly the truth. It can be done naturally. The amount of hard work I put in was intense. But I had such a strong drive to hit the 200lb mark, at under 10% body fat.
@mickylawless1941 There is a hugely marked difference between 200lbs at 10% bf and 205lbs at 5-7%! If you'd said 205 at 12-15bf....which isn't shoddy at your height....then you may have been in with a shout, but your claim simply doesn't stack up. My challenge was not designed to offend, simply to ask perhaps for some level of clarification. I myself had, and I guess still do have, reasonable genetics. I worked out religiously when I raced as a junior formula driver many years ago in order to ensure physical compatibility with the car. Even then I had a passing interest in bodybuilding and always paid attention to some of the finer points, in particular bodyfat. My lowest ever measurement was 7.5%, and at 6ft that left me at a pretty emaciated 165-168lbs, believe me when I say that some of the taller drivers weighed even less. Today I weigh around 200lbs and my bf is probably 12-15%, and I can assure you that I would not be capable of being much better than that without some "assistance". Check out Mike Quinn at the 1988 Olympia! He is 5ft 8in and weighs 204lbs at the show, and he placed 5th. That package, with somewhere between 5-7% bf saw him as the 5th best bodybuilder in the world on that particular day. And he was as heavy a user as any other pro at the time, as you would expect. So you can see where my utter scepticism comes from!
Yes he said that. But I believe Steve was probably natural - at least not a regular user like others. Sergio talked out of his ass most of the time about anything and everything
@@larrybaba5635 thanks mate. Yeah even Sergio Jnr has his entertaining moments. 😂. It still blows my mind to think that people listen to my videos in the gym or in the car somewhere in the world. Makes me feel proud for finally putting something out there. Thanks for the kind feedback. Really appreciate it
Yup, basically everyone believes the mainstream concocted story that nobody in America ever used steroids until the mid 1950s, and nobody every heard of them and they all had no idea that the male hormone, testosterone, could play a huge role in muscle size and strength. Lmaooo
Love the old school guys - they paved the way and made something out of nothing, mostly. They did for the pure love of the game and gave everything back in return. Thanks for the comment Mark 😊
Reg Park was always fiercely anti-steroid as is his son Jon Jon. However, when competing against Arnold in the 1970 Mr. Universe he was pretty much the same size and Arnold was the biggest bodybuilder in the world at the time! Either Reg had immense potential or he took some steroids. It is something that I have always noted when looking at these pics. Reg was clearly bigger here than at any other time during his career, this would strongly suggest steroid use!
Yes exactly. And a lot of that denial was retroactive hypocrisy once the extent and legality of PED's was labelled by the public as something morally "wrong". Thanks for commenting Justin
It’s been a couple months! Last video of yours I watch was Afghan muscles. I am so stoked about catching up! Been focusing on my own cut and these videos are nothing short of motivational!
Hey mate, good to see you back. Hope you like the new vids. Yes, life gets busy, so stay on top of your priorities. RUclips will always be there. Hows the cut going?
they say the 1956 Olympics were the last natural Olympics, I like many young men tried steroids in the late 70's ,they did nothing for me just giving me endless headaches as other lifters in my circle had used less than half that I used and huge gains I guess it still boils down to the fact that genetics are more important that anything else
Great video containing well researched information and statements from past bodybuilders. It's pretty clear that most of the bodybuilders from at least 1960 were taking some form of ped's during training and when competing. And since then bodybuilding competition, promoters like Hoffman and the Weider brothers were spreading lies and lies. Telling fans and upcoming bodybuilders that they can achieve physiques like the Mr Olympia champions from using their training programmes and protein supplements. All in the name of fame and money, and since then the greed and lies have grown exponentially till what we are left with today is one big bodybuilding joke. To think that when I was younger I looked up to these so called champions and tried to emulate them. Now I know that every single Mr Olympia winner and those they competed against are frauds and cheated their way to the top. How far bodybuilding has fallen and sadly I can't see it ever returning to the chemical drug free life it started off as. Health and longevity have become a dream and instead replaced by ego driven, narcissistic drug taking freaks. Who don't represent the true drug free natural bodybuilders who train for health and longevity. I'm glad my will was strong enough to stay away from ped's even though it meant that I would never be able to compete as a professional bodybuilder!
Haha , so i was at a Seminar ( vic Richards ) afterwards i asked him ,' so what do u suggest ? (Wink wink ) the gall, he said - get this - Weider principals .
I would like to thank you for your excellent piece on PED use in bodybuilding. I believe it is reasonable to presume that Grimek won the 48 Universe on PEDs and after the 49 Universe was canceled, helped his protege Steve Reeves with the cocktail for victory in 1950. I believe Park used the same cocktail to win in 51. And as you say Reeves was no bastion of morality and Park would go on to mentor Scwartzenner who came to live with Park in South Africa. Naturally, Arnold would like to know the secret cocktail that won Park the Mr. Universe which would make sense. Many times Arnold has stated that whatever it took to be Mr. Universe I would do! I would say all champions believe that and Reg Park was no exception. Take a close look at the photo of Reg Park and a young Arnold at 15:02. notice anything? The look and mass of their bodies are almost identical. And Park is 20 years older?
Hey mate thanks for those kind words. Yes, totally agree with what you've said here. Obviously it's hard to uncover the smoking gun when it comes to reporting history, but sometimes we have to follow the breadcrumbs of inference and logic to connect the dots. Thanks again for watching and commenting!
Wrong about Grimek. Natty Life and Golden Era Bookworm have done a better evaluation of when testosterone supplements might have entered bodybuilding. Grimek didn't even enquire about it until he'd retired from competition, there's a letter to prove it. Even as late as 1962-1968 the use was not widespread, but restricted to those at the York Barbell Club and it was only leaking out slowly from about 1962. See articles in Ironman and sundry other magazines of the time where they're clueless about what people might be taking. The use of 1930s/40s testosterone was not greatly different to replacement therapy nowadays. You give that to to a person with no deficiency and you lower the person's natural production. The real PED change is with Dianabol and it wasn't even marketed until 1958.
@@baronmeduse This channel has far less"beliving in fairytales" than what you mentioned. Then you say "The use of 1930s/40s testosterone was not greatly different to replacement therapy nowadays. You give that to to a person with no deficiency and you lower the person's natural production." So are you saying that would not build muscle? I for one was doctor administered 1 cc Test (the average TRT dose) every 10 days at the age of 56, and it brought my T level to 2400, far more than enough to build muscle.
@@ibberman Eh? Clearly the word 'deficiency' is key. Your case is one of those. You give that stuff from 1945 to a 20-year old athlete in 1945 and it tells testosterone production to eventually shut down. The body seeks equilibrium.
Rewatched this video. Let me tell you how thankful I am you do research. Can’t stand when bros at my gym try to act like they know everything about the history of PEDs but their info source is TikTok 🙄
This is great information but did you also notice how many geriatric golden era bodybuilders are still alive? Just look at the cast list of Pumping Iron.. the only deceased one I can think of is Franco. I think another good expose would be why modern day bodybuilders are dropping like flies in their 20s, 30s, 40s, and 50s
Thanks yes it's something other subscribers have also bought up regarding the longevity of the Pumping Iron era crew. I think it shows - 1) there's a level of safe use in regards to anabolics as long as that use is intermittent and trending towards the level of sane dosages. 2) Early retirement - 30 was considered old among these guys, and many were out of the game by that ripe old age except for brief periodic comebacks here and there. (Corney, nubret, Robinson, Ferrigno etc) If the dosage makes the poison, as the saying goes, then there's that line you can walk where one can use the drugs without the drugs using you.
Just in regards to the early retirement point, I forgot to add that many of the top Mr Olympia competitors today don't peak until they're in their 40s, and with these guys redlining the drugs at this age, then they're playing chicken with untimely health consequences - eg Rhoden, Meadows, Piana, Peterson
@carvedouttastone great points once again regarding the retirement age. Even 80s era bodybuilders, retired in their 30s, Lee Haney being the gold standard having retired at age 31...... wow, let THAT sink in
Your videos are fantastic. I wonder if you could at some point address this issue . Lee Haney during an interview stated that steroids at best add 5 or maybe 10 percent to a person’s muscularity. I have witnessed people who have gained far more than this . Lee never really speaks about his use . He was clearly light years ahead oh the competition.
Hey thanks for the kind words mate. I mentioned Lee briefly in a previous video - the Over the Edge one - the author mentioned how Haney repeatedly stated he never used steroids and that he was all natural....sure thing Lee 😅👍
There isn't a single pro in the last 55 years (probably longer) who hasn't juiced. To hold up these drug junkies as an example of fitness and the desirable standard in the name of "health" is complete hypocrisy.
As Arnold said, bodybuilding for him had nothing to do with health. I'm sure many others felt the same way. The guys these days are total kamikazes by comparison.
I have to disagree with the assertions that Reg Park never used Anabolic Steroids. I think, initially, he didn't - like when he competed against Steve Reeves in that MR UNIVERSE BUT, within 5 years, Reg Park's physique BLEW U - he gained a lot of muscle mass and strength. I think that Reg, like Bill Pearl, was initially 'Clean' for his first MR UNIVERSE win, but, in the 1960's (possible late 1950s), as they became more available, that he used them. Look at Reg Park next to a young Arnold - they're almost equal in size.
9:30 USSR had been using steroids since the 40s? Can you provide a source for that? Even looking at the results from weightlifting competitions it's obvious they didn't start using until the late 60s, and it's explicitly obvious when they started from the results. Yuri Vlasov said steroids started with Hal Connelly when he was given them for medical reasons and found it increased muscle mass. The USSR didn't have an official state program for them until 1968
@@carvedouttastone In summary the guy says there was no doping in his time. It's related with Hal Connelly due to his disabled arm and the Americans kept it secret until around mid 1960s from which it spread. It didn't come to soviet weightlifting until 1968/69 and the official doping program started in the 70s. I don't know if he is telling the truth or if it's reliable information(could all just be rumours) but if you look at the lifts Zeigler's story doesn't check out considering the American weightlifting athletes made much better improvements in the 50s than the USSR did. Schemansky put on like 50kg on his total in 1 year. If the USSR was using it, the effects were very poor until it was official and you can see it in 1971 when all the lifts jumped by like 10-20% across all weight classes for them. I'm just curious where the 40s statement comes from? I'm sure plenty of people experimented on all sides with everything back then but I highly doubt any of it mattered in terms of actual performance.
@@runix2189 road-trippiing at the moment so will look my resources up later but I remember Yessalis et al (History of Doping) mentioned systematic doping of stimulants in the 40s by the Soviets - definitive use in early 50s by Soviet Weightlifters as witnessed by Ziegler who, seeing the catheterized athletes, was motivated to develop dianabol with less harsh, androgenic side effects. I'm pretty sure it was Randy Roach who also mentioned doping (methyl testosterone) usage by the Soviets in the 40s, but not carrying those books at the moment. I used a range of resources, so it's difficult to remember the exact ones - but will dig them up and get back to you when I can
Very possible that the joint was not even a marijuana joint and just a cigarette. Also that would have been in South Africa where the contest was held not America
@@carvedouttastone the end of pumping iron is taking place in Pretoria S Africa. Many people who were there claim that Arnold didn't really smoke a joint and it was possibly a tobacco cigarette
@@johnsambo9379 when? Arnold is known for a lot of BULLSHIT.. I know he has admitted to smoking weed but I’ve heard several stories from people who were in the room that day and claim it wasn’t weed. Zoom in on the video and it looks like a perfectly rolled cigarette not a hand rolled joint
If the public knew about all the drugs involved, bodybuiding would not have been embraced by the public and Arnold never would have made it as a a major movie star
So why did Butler and Gaines mention it so explicitly in their best selling book? Why not disregard it altogether. The public didn't know shit about steroids at the time and there was no moral equivalence until the late 80s. Steroids were benign super vitamins at best in the minds of the public
I’m not totally convinced of their “morally neutral” status back in the day. As you said; back when testosterone was first synthesized in the 1930s, they knew what testosterone was responsible for. Supposedly it’s up in the air if any roids were used with any significance in bodybuilding and sports during the 30s, 40s, and 50s. But we know for sure 100% that steroids were being widely used in the 60s… If they were so morally benign, why would we the steroid use never mentioned in any bodybuilding magazines? It was an insider secret to trick people into thinking that all was needed was buying protein, supplements, and workout programs would make you look like the guys on the magazine cover one day… while leaving out probably the biggest contributor to how they looked that way. This was clearly the mindset then. Don’t tell people about the pharmaceutical drugs these bodybuilders are taking or else they won’t buy our magazines and supplements. If that was the thinking in the 60s and 70s, why would it not be the thinking in the 40s and 50s? While people like Leroy Colbert, Reg park, and Steve reeves sound very convincing… there’s no way for us to know if the people who ran the bodybuilding companies back then told them to never talk about the drugs they use
Did you watch the video? The magazines didn't promote steroids or mention them because they could use the drug using bodybuilders as puppets to sell their supplements. The mags had nothing to gain revealing bodybuilding's "dirty little secret" because they couldn't directly monetize it
@@carvedouttastone yeah, I made the comment before finishing the full video lol. At an earlier point in the video you were giving the impression that if BBs in the 30s/40s/50s were taking gear that the magazines would’ve/should’ve talked about it because they wouldn’t have been seen as inherently morally bad… but as I finished watching the video I realized you were just building the narrative.
Amazing vintage footage. I've never taken steroids but body-building without steroids just doesn't work. The two are married. If steroids didn't exist body-building wouldn't exist. It would of died out before it began. Think about it, various sports have existed for thousands of years, Running, shot put, boxing, wrestling, horse riding, javelin, Physique contests were frst held in the 30s. and were combined with weight lifting competitions. By the time body-building contests were held on their own steroids were already rampant amongst body-builders. I don't think body-building would of lasted as the natural Physiques just aren't impressive enough to maintain enough interest amongst fans. Steroids give bodybuilders that quality look where the guys look impressive in all the different poses. They preserve muscle while dieting. How would Arnold look in the mantis pose or what would Sergio look like in the arms overhead pose without that all important enhancement. It just wouldn't work. Still I think with the right work ethic, genetics and small, safe doses bodybuilders can look amazing without compromising their health. . There has been too many premature deaths amongst bodybuilders, guys dying in their 20, 30s and 40s yet the guys in the seventies look so much better. I mean compare Samir Banout or even lee Haney to Dallas Mcarver or Art Atwood. Samir and lee looked so much more aesthetic and just better, Dallas and Art were way too big and both died young. 26 and 38. It was the quantity and variety of drugs that killed these two guys. The guys from 30 years ago didn't need to become ridiculously huge because the standards were different. The standards need to change.
Nothing but the words of a lazy and insecure hack who will hate them for what they have reached ... Compare to what bodybuilding is now .. This is nothing ...
@@carvedouttastone you're one of those lousy people who accuses everyone of steroids and dismiss other factors when the truth is even if you yourself use roids you'll never gonna reach their level ... But sure, whatever ... Don't lift, just give up and blame it on roids, hormones and anything else you can blame it on. You sound like a bunch fat karens complaining about how media promotes this "impossible body image" ..
@ carolpulma2734 And what is bodybuilding now? I'll tell you what it is, a sick drug fuelled joke. It's not bodybuilding whatsoever, it's a DRUG SHOW. And what they 'have reached' is an early death and multiple health issues for those that don't die. Yeah, something to be really proud of isn't it!
Great video, also liked the “pre-empting Mike O'hearn by 50 years” comment 😂
Here I thought I was hearing things, that's hilarious!
Mike is definitely natural.
Another excellent production. Thanks for your hard work, Shawn!
Every time I see an Andy828 comment of support, I feel that my video has hit the target and worth the effort. Thanks as always mate!
When the gentleman stated he was in constant euphoria, I had to lol because that is a well known effect of dbol. Yet he wasn't sure if it were the pills, training ect. No buddy, it was the dbol.
Exactly what I thought. If only they had been more discerning back then 😂
Boyer Coa !
One of the most consistent & talented bodybuilders of all time, strength, integrity, The Man has more knowledge than the majority, a true Warrior, if the Weiders and print media had any integrity this Man is at the top of the pyramid,, A True champion,,
Much respect 👊
much respect indeed to Boyer - underrated and undervalued champion/legend
I saw a bodybuilding contest in New Jersey in which Sergio Oliva and Chet Yorton guest posed. Both of these legends looked phenomenal! When Chet was done posing, he grabbed the mic and gave a lecture to the audience on the evils of anabolic steroids. I remember him naming Frank Zane as an example of a bodybuilder who was "up and down like a yo-yo" in terms of size based on whether he was on a cycle or not!
wow, this would be great to look at! do you have the link?
@@mamster233
From memory, and I’m old so could be clouded, Frank alluded to it in a poem in his book, Mind Body Spirit. it had an allegory of his daily use. Just google it, you will find it.
This is exceptional work, well done
Hey Lawrence - mate I really appreciate that very kind praise. Hopefully part 2 (the 1970s) is even better, but I get a blast from deep dive research into this topic.
@@carvedouttastone You're welcome., I'm looking forward to the next chapter of this. This production shows the good, the bad, and the ugly which makes for an engaging story. Your passion shows in your work for sure.
By 1970 Reg looks like he was on the sauce. And i agree. While they give u a euphoric feeling , there are dsys where u just dont feel good . I attribute that to your kidneys & liver working overtime.
Wow, very well done and amazing video! Might shut up some of the nostalgia over the "old days" where "everyone" was drug free. Ive been lifting 39 years and it did t take long for me as a teen to realize all the pros were lying about being natty. I was at the tail end of beingable to get good pharma grade gear, now its all mostly UGL. These men, as well as a few women were the pioneers of the sport and I envy the lack of information they must have had because now a days we get info from a 10" diameter hose...too much too fast and it hets confusing. They had to figure things out themselves, there were no real studies and few people were doing it. Also, the experiment on the high school kids is unbelievable!Cant wait to watch part 2, but this time on my tv. Well done!
Hey Mike thanks for those kind words and I agree totally with the sentiments regarding today's era. Figuring it out solo is part of the fun of self experimentation I believe. Hope you enjoy Part 2 when I release it this week....was a very deep rabbit hole to explore connections I never knew before.
A rarely great RUclips documentary! Thank you!
You're very welcome and be sure to check out the other parts of the series
I see pictures of Yorton at his peak and I just can't buy into any idea that he might be natural. And Larry Scott's retort is spot on. Saying something so ridiculous only makes me think he is lying. Maybe he went natural from then on, but I don't believe he was always clean.
Agreed. Especially if you state it like this "Natty Yorton defeats drugged to the gills, Arnold". PED's were mostly considered benign supervitamins and no one knew the morality, legality or health issues that eventually became manifest with time. I envision most of the early era "natty" guys probably indulged the Dboll at one time or another. Thanks for watching mate
Chet Yorton did wayyyyyyyy too much volume to be natural.
I think that he was just a liar.
This was a very interesting documentary. In the mid-90's, I weighed 165lbs and very lean. By the 1999-2000, I weighed 205 @ 5-7% bf, all natural. I stand 5'8" tall, so I looked pretty jacked. Now at age 63, I'm at 190lbs, but probably around 15+% bf. Still lifting, but injuries have slowed me down. I'm proud that I never took gear. But I do not judge those who have. I simply did not want to deal with any adverse health issues. Part 2 of your series is getting clicked next. Cheers!
I hate to do this to you, however I have to call utter BS on your claims! Not everyone here is as gullible as you may wish them to be!
5ft 8in, 205lbs at 5-7% body fat? In other words you were close to upper level, possibly even lower level pro bodybuilding at the time....and natural at the same time!
Pull the other one.
@@truthsayerq7264 sorry to disappoint. Those stats are honestly the truth. It can be done naturally. The amount of hard work I put in was intense. But I had such a strong drive to hit the 200lb mark, at under 10% body fat.
@mickylawless1941
There is a hugely marked difference between 200lbs at 10% bf and 205lbs at 5-7%! If you'd said 205 at 12-15bf....which isn't shoddy at your height....then you may have been in with a shout, but your claim simply doesn't stack up.
My challenge was not designed to offend, simply to ask perhaps for some level of clarification. I myself had, and I guess still do have, reasonable genetics. I worked out religiously when I raced as a junior formula driver many years ago in order to ensure physical compatibility with the car. Even then I had a passing interest in bodybuilding and always paid attention to some of the finer points, in particular bodyfat. My lowest ever measurement was 7.5%, and at 6ft that left me at a pretty emaciated 165-168lbs, believe me when I say that some of the taller drivers weighed even less. Today I weigh around 200lbs and my bf is probably 12-15%, and I can assure you that I would not be capable of being much better than that without some "assistance".
Check out Mike Quinn at the 1988 Olympia! He is 5ft 8in and weighs 204lbs at the show, and he placed 5th. That package, with somewhere between 5-7% bf saw him as the 5th best bodybuilder in the world on that particular day. And he was as heavy a user as any other pro at the time, as you would expect.
So you can see where my utter scepticism comes from!
Thanks for the upload. I remember Sergio said it in an interview - no one is natural, not even Steve Reeves!
Yes he said that. But I believe Steve was probably natural - at least not a regular user like others. Sergio talked out of his ass most of the time about anything and everything
@@carvedouttastone But Sergio was entertaining to listen to. I'm lifting and watching your videos between sets. Keep the uploads coming!
@@larrybaba5635 thanks mate. Yeah even Sergio Jnr has his entertaining moments. 😂. It still blows my mind to think that people listen to my videos in the gym or in the car somewhere in the world. Makes me feel proud for finally putting something out there. Thanks for the kind feedback. Really appreciate it
What an awesome video man! Very well researched, I really enjoyed it 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Thanks for those kind words mate. Really glad you enjoyed it 😊
Thank you mate. That's very kind of you to let me know
Fantastic video. This subject is something that needs to be talked about more.
Thanks Jeremiah - glad you enjoyed it and thanks for taking the time to comment
Yup, basically everyone believes the mainstream concocted story that nobody in America ever used steroids until the mid 1950s, and nobody every heard of them and they all had no idea that the male hormone, testosterone, could play a huge role in muscle size and strength. Lmaooo
Great video my father started bodybuilding in the 50s and was very much "old school" hard work in the gym, brewers yeast type of guy.
Love the old school guys - they paved the way and made something out of nothing, mostly. They did for the pure love of the game and gave everything back in return. Thanks for the comment Mark 😊
Great video and commentary
Very well researched
Looking forward to part 2
Thank you! Part 2 Coming soon
Reg Park was always fiercely anti-steroid as is his son Jon Jon. However, when competing against Arnold in the 1970 Mr. Universe he was pretty much the same size and Arnold was the biggest bodybuilder in the world at the time!
Either Reg had immense potential or he took some steroids. It is something that I have always noted when looking at these pics. Reg was clearly bigger here than at any other time during his career, this would strongly suggest steroid use!
I'd say this was near the era where the denial of use would have began, which was rampant in the 80's and 90's.
Yes exactly. And a lot of that denial was retroactive hypocrisy once the extent and legality of PED's was labelled by the public as something morally "wrong". Thanks for commenting Justin
@@carvedouttastone great comment brother 100% true people could not be open about it anymore the would lose there business.
It’s been a couple months! Last video of yours I watch was Afghan muscles. I am so stoked about catching up! Been focusing on my own cut and these videos are nothing short of motivational!
Hey mate, good to see you back. Hope you like the new vids. Yes, life gets busy, so stay on top of your priorities. RUclips will always be there. Hows the cut going?
@@carvedouttastone thanks bro. It’s going good. Down over 20 pounds and feeling good. Lmk when you start a patreon or such. I love this channel!
they say the 1956 Olympics were the last natural Olympics, I like many young men tried steroids in the late 70's ,they did nothing for me just giving me endless headaches as other lifters in my circle had used less than half that I used and huge gains I guess it still boils down to the fact that genetics are more important that anything else
Great, great stuff...please keep it up!
Hey mate. Love doing these and I thank you for watching and commenting! Part 2 this week!
This is absolutely brilliant.
So well done and enjoyable. Thank you 😊
Every bodybuilders favorite subject is Golden Era steroid use and "what did Arnold take?". Thank you so much for the series!
This is good. Love the info
Arnold is Arnold With is wild 0:43
To this day, if I could pick a physique to possess, it would be Steve Reeves.
Steve was definitely up there as one of the all time greats.
Great video containing well researched information and statements from past bodybuilders. It's pretty clear that most of the bodybuilders from at least 1960 were taking some form of ped's during training and when competing. And since then bodybuilding competition, promoters like Hoffman and the Weider brothers were spreading lies and lies. Telling fans and upcoming bodybuilders that they can achieve physiques like the Mr Olympia champions from using their training programmes and protein supplements. All in the name of fame and money, and since then the greed and lies have grown exponentially till what we are left with today is one big bodybuilding joke. To think that when I was younger I looked up to these so called champions and tried to emulate them. Now I know that every single Mr Olympia winner and those they competed against are frauds and cheated their way to the top. How far bodybuilding has fallen and sadly I can't see it ever returning to the chemical drug free life it started off as. Health and longevity have become a dream and instead replaced by ego driven, narcissistic drug taking freaks. Who don't represent the true drug free natural bodybuilders who train for health and longevity. I'm glad my will was strong enough to stay away from ped's even though it meant that I would never be able to compete as a professional bodybuilder!
Remember those Liver Tablets. The only ones that benefited from them was those that were selling the BS.
Insightful video
Haha , so i was at a Seminar ( vic Richards ) afterwards i asked him ,' so what do u suggest ? (Wink wink ) the gall, he said - get this - Weider principals .
hahahaha. Did you laugh-snort your protein shake when he said that? Geez, the audacity. Knowing Vic he probably said it with a straight face too. 😂😂
awesome video!
Thank you for commenting and your support Joe
Really well done, thanks a lot!!
Reg park denying using PEDS is laughable and the reason his son couldn’t hit anywhere near his dads size
Yeah Reg denying dabbling was a bit of a strange one in my opinion too.
Yeah really great speculation
I would like to thank you for your excellent piece on PED use in bodybuilding. I believe it is reasonable to presume that Grimek won the 48 Universe on PEDs and after the 49 Universe was canceled, helped his protege Steve Reeves with the cocktail for victory in 1950. I believe Park used the same cocktail to win in 51. And as you say Reeves was no bastion of morality and Park would go on to mentor Scwartzenner who came to live with Park in South Africa.
Naturally, Arnold would like to know the secret cocktail that won Park the Mr. Universe which would make sense.
Many times Arnold has stated that whatever it took to be Mr. Universe I would do! I would say all champions believe that and Reg Park was no exception. Take a close look at the photo of Reg Park and a young Arnold at 15:02. notice anything?
The look and mass of their bodies are almost identical. And Park is 20 years older?
Hey mate thanks for those kind words. Yes, totally agree with what you've said here. Obviously it's hard to uncover the smoking gun when it comes to reporting history, but sometimes we have to follow the breadcrumbs of inference and logic to connect the dots. Thanks again for watching and commenting!
Wrong about Grimek. Natty Life and Golden Era Bookworm have done a better evaluation of when testosterone supplements might have entered bodybuilding. Grimek didn't even enquire about it until he'd retired from competition, there's a letter to prove it. Even as late as 1962-1968 the use was not widespread, but restricted to those at the York Barbell Club and it was only leaking out slowly from about 1962. See articles in Ironman and sundry other magazines of the time where they're clueless about what people might be taking. The use of 1930s/40s testosterone was not greatly different to replacement therapy nowadays. You give that to to a person with no deficiency and you lower the person's natural production. The real PED change is with Dianabol and it wasn't even marketed until 1958.
@@baronmeduse This channel has far less"beliving in fairytales" than what you mentioned. Then you say "The use of 1930s/40s testosterone was not greatly different to replacement therapy nowadays. You give that to to a person with no deficiency and you lower the person's natural production." So are you saying that would not build muscle? I for one was doctor administered 1 cc Test (the average TRT dose) every 10 days at the age of 56, and it brought my T level to 2400, far more than enough to build muscle.
@@ibberman Eh? Clearly the word 'deficiency' is key. Your case is one of those. You give that stuff from 1945 to a 20-year old athlete in 1945 and it tells testosterone production to eventually shut down. The body seeks equilibrium.
weightrainer.blogspot.com/2009/08/history-of-steroids-in-bodybuilding.html
Rewatched this video. Let me tell you how thankful I am you do research. Can’t stand when bros at my gym try to act like they know everything about the history of PEDs but their info source is TikTok 🙄
Muito bom, parabéns
This is great information but did you also notice how many geriatric golden era bodybuilders are still alive? Just look at the cast list of Pumping Iron.. the only deceased one I can think of is Franco. I think another good expose would be why modern day bodybuilders are dropping like flies in their 20s, 30s, 40s, and 50s
Thanks yes it's something other subscribers have also bought up regarding the longevity of the Pumping Iron era crew.
I think it shows - 1) there's a level of safe use in regards to anabolics as long as that use is intermittent and trending towards the level of sane dosages.
2) Early retirement - 30 was considered old among these guys, and many were out of the game by that ripe old age except for brief periodic comebacks here and there. (Corney, nubret, Robinson, Ferrigno etc)
If the dosage makes the poison, as the saying goes, then there's that line you can walk where one can use the drugs without the drugs using you.
Just in regards to the early retirement point, I forgot to add that many of the top Mr Olympia competitors today don't peak until they're in their 40s, and with these guys redlining the drugs at this age, then they're playing chicken with untimely health consequences - eg Rhoden, Meadows, Piana, Peterson
@jamiealexander3682 thanks for watching and commenting mate. Love the respectful discussions on these videos
@carvedouttastone great points once again regarding the retirement age. Even 80s era bodybuilders, retired in their 30s, Lee Haney being the gold standard having retired at age 31...... wow, let THAT sink in
Great video. The truth is coming out.
Your videos are fantastic. I wonder if you could at some point address this issue . Lee Haney during an interview stated that steroids at best add 5 or maybe 10 percent to a person’s muscularity. I have witnessed people who have gained far more than this . Lee never really speaks about his use . He was clearly light years ahead oh the competition.
Hey thanks for the kind words mate. I mentioned Lee briefly in a previous video - the Over the Edge one - the author mentioned how Haney repeatedly stated he never used steroids and that he was all natural....sure thing Lee 😅👍
@@carvedouttastoneA natural liar.
There isn't a single pro in the last 55 years (probably longer) who hasn't juiced. To hold up these drug junkies as an example of fitness and the desirable standard in the name of "health" is complete hypocrisy.
As Arnold said, bodybuilding for him had nothing to do with health. I'm sure many others felt the same way. The guys these days are total kamikazes by comparison.
I have to disagree with the assertions that Reg Park never used Anabolic Steroids.
I think, initially, he didn't - like when he competed against Steve Reeves in that MR UNIVERSE
BUT, within 5 years, Reg Park's physique BLEW U - he gained a lot of muscle mass and strength.
I think that Reg, like Bill Pearl, was initially 'Clean' for his first MR UNIVERSE win, but, in the 1960's (possible late 1950s), as they became more available, that he used them.
Look at Reg Park next to a young Arnold - they're almost equal in size.
Agree with you. No argument from me.
9:30 USSR had been using steroids since the 40s? Can you provide a source for that? Even looking at the results from weightlifting competitions it's obvious they didn't start using until the late 60s, and it's explicitly obvious when they started from the results. Yuri Vlasov said steroids started with Hal Connelly when he was given them for medical reasons and found it increased muscle mass. The USSR didn't have an official state program for them until 1968
"the USSR didn't have an official state program for them until 68"? Where did you source that from?
@@carvedouttastone Yuri Vlasov. ruclips.net/video/6z-iIXzSDQM/видео.html
@@runix2189 it's in Russian - can't understand it.
@@carvedouttastone In summary the guy says there was no doping in his time. It's related with Hal Connelly due to his disabled arm and the Americans kept it secret until around mid 1960s from which it spread. It didn't come to soviet weightlifting until 1968/69 and the official doping program started in the 70s. I don't know if he is telling the truth or if it's reliable information(could all just be rumours) but if you look at the lifts Zeigler's story doesn't check out considering the American weightlifting athletes made much better improvements in the 50s than the USSR did. Schemansky put on like 50kg on his total in 1 year. If the USSR was using it, the effects were very poor until it was official and you can see it in 1971 when all the lifts jumped by like 10-20% across all weight classes for them. I'm just curious where the 40s statement comes from? I'm sure plenty of people experimented on all sides with everything back then but I highly doubt any of it mattered in terms of actual performance.
@@runix2189 road-trippiing at the moment so will look my resources up later but I remember Yessalis et al (History of Doping) mentioned systematic doping of stimulants in the 40s by the Soviets - definitive use in early 50s by Soviet Weightlifters as witnessed by Ziegler who, seeing the catheterized athletes, was motivated to develop dianabol with less harsh, androgenic side effects. I'm pretty sure it was Randy Roach who also mentioned doping (methyl testosterone) usage by the Soviets in the 40s, but not carrying those books at the moment. I used a range of resources, so it's difficult to remember the exact ones - but will dig them up and get back to you when I can
19:48 who’s that guy too? He’s looks great
George Eifferman
100lbs to a lift in 3 months and it had nothing to do with dbol ? Ok lol
Very possible that the joint was not even a marijuana joint and just a cigarette. Also that would have been in South Africa where the contest was held not America
Huh?
@@carvedouttastone the end of pumping iron is taking place in Pretoria S Africa. Many people who were there claim that Arnold didn't really smoke a joint and it was possibly a tobacco cigarette
Arnold admitted it was weed.
@@johnsambo9379 when? Arnold is known for a lot of BULLSHIT.. I know he has admitted to smoking weed but I’ve heard several stories from people who were in the room that day and claim it wasn’t weed. Zoom in on the video and it looks like a perfectly rolled cigarette not a hand rolled joint
If the public knew about all the drugs involved, bodybuiding would not have been embraced by the public and Arnold never would have made it as a a major movie star
So why did Butler and Gaines mention it so explicitly in their best selling book? Why not disregard it altogether. The public didn't know shit about steroids at the time and there was no moral equivalence until the late 80s. Steroids were benign super vitamins at best in the minds of the public
12:28 is that John grimek?
Bruce Randall
@@carvedouttastone he looks awesome
I say as you age TRT to stay younger healthy why not now the ladies get better as they age so why not stay health and in shape for them and ourselves
Because it makes you dependent on synthetics for the rest of your life. It kills your natural testosterone. Very stupid.
Women don't get better as they age. You are either blind or willfully lying. Lol
What is PED?
Performance Enhancing Drugs
I’m not totally convinced of their “morally neutral” status back in the day. As you said; back when testosterone was first synthesized in the 1930s, they knew what testosterone was responsible for.
Supposedly it’s up in the air if any roids were used with any significance in bodybuilding and sports during the 30s, 40s, and 50s.
But we know for sure 100% that steroids were being widely used in the 60s…
If they were so morally benign, why would we the steroid use never mentioned in any bodybuilding magazines?
It was an insider secret to trick people into thinking that all was needed was buying protein, supplements, and workout programs would make you look like the guys on the magazine cover one day… while leaving out probably the biggest contributor to how they looked that way.
This was clearly the mindset then. Don’t tell people about the pharmaceutical drugs these bodybuilders are taking or else they won’t buy our magazines and supplements.
If that was the thinking in the 60s and 70s, why would it not be the thinking in the 40s and 50s?
While people like Leroy Colbert, Reg park, and Steve reeves sound very convincing… there’s no way for us to know if the people who ran the bodybuilding companies back then told them to never talk about the drugs they use
Did you watch the video? The magazines didn't promote steroids or mention them because they could use the drug using bodybuilders as puppets to sell their supplements. The mags had nothing to gain revealing bodybuilding's "dirty little secret" because they couldn't directly monetize it
@@carvedouttastone yeah, I made the comment before finishing the full video lol.
At an earlier point in the video you were giving the impression that if BBs in the 30s/40s/50s were taking gear that the magazines would’ve/should’ve talked about it because they wouldn’t have been seen as inherently morally bad…
but as I finished watching the video I realized you were just building the narrative.
Performance-enhancing drugs
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Thanks Dan!
I love PED it’s as American as apple pie 🇺🇸 ❤ ps the woke culture could really use some soy Boys 😂
We should be mandating testosterone vaccines 😂
@@carvedouttastone haha that would be sick 😂 💪🏻
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Amazing vintage footage. I've never taken steroids but body-building without steroids just doesn't work. The two are married. If steroids didn't exist body-building wouldn't exist. It would of died out before it began. Think about it, various sports have existed for thousands of years, Running, shot put, boxing, wrestling, horse riding, javelin, Physique contests were frst held in the 30s. and were combined with weight lifting competitions. By the time body-building contests were held on their own steroids were already rampant amongst body-builders. I don't think body-building would of lasted as the natural Physiques just aren't impressive enough to maintain enough interest amongst fans. Steroids give bodybuilders that quality look where the guys look impressive in all the different poses. They preserve muscle while dieting. How would Arnold look in the mantis pose or what would Sergio look like in the arms overhead pose without that all important enhancement. It just wouldn't work. Still I think with the right work ethic, genetics and small, safe doses bodybuilders can look amazing without compromising their health. . There has been too many premature deaths amongst bodybuilders, guys dying in their 20, 30s and 40s yet the guys in the seventies look so much better. I mean compare Samir Banout or even lee Haney to Dallas Mcarver or Art Atwood. Samir and lee looked so much more aesthetic and just better, Dallas and Art were way too big and both died young. 26 and 38. It was the quantity and variety of drugs that killed these two guys. The guys from 30 years ago didn't need to become ridiculously huge because the standards were different. The standards need to change.
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Thanks for watching!
So many "holier than thou" because they didn't use drugs.
Lying however is acceptable...
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Eat Clen, Tren hard and Anavar give up.
You have to improve your audio game. I had to watch the video with the captions on, because it sounds like you're mumbling. Too low.
@@rodrigonery7968 get new speakers or turn up your hearing aid grampa. No one else complained but you
Nothing but the words of a lazy and insecure hack who will hate them for what they have reached ...
Compare to what bodybuilding is now ..
This is nothing ...
wtf are you talking about?
@@carvedouttastone you're one of those lousy people who accuses everyone of steroids and dismiss other factors when the truth is even if you yourself use roids you'll never gonna reach their level ...
But sure, whatever ...
Don't lift, just give up and blame it on roids, hormones and anything else you can blame it on.
You sound like a bunch fat karens complaining about how media promotes this "impossible body image" ..
@ carolpulma2734
And what is bodybuilding now? I'll tell you what it is, a sick drug fuelled joke. It's not bodybuilding whatsoever, it's a DRUG SHOW. And what they 'have reached' is an early death and multiple health issues for those that don't die. Yeah, something to be really proud of isn't it!
@carolpulma2734 You sound like a tard.