This is Ather’s fastest scooter yet | 450 Apex Review | PowerDrift
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- Ather is sending off the 450 with a bang in the shape of the 450 Apex which is the fastest and most expensive electric scooter from the company yet. And with one ground breaking new feature, the 450 Apex might just be the trailblazer for what we can expect from future Ather models. Karan rides the new 450 Apex in Bengaluru to find out just how good it really is!
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Hello #PDArmy! After a bit of back and forth with the Ather team we've got some clarity on the '10 kilometres of range at a 100kmph on a full charge' statement we made - it's incorrect. The 450 Apex can SUSTAIN 100kmph for less than 10km, after which the motor will gradually start to de-rate (due to motor temperatures, fairly normal) and bring the top speed down. So fret not, full whack on Warp+ will last you much longer than a 10km stint.
There has been a very weird change in me. Back in the past I was all about motorcycles, I used to own a Royal Enfield Thunderbird 350 and a KTM RC 390. After moving abroad, I had to sell the two motorcycles as there wasn't anyone in my family who could keep maintaining them and I thought it was better to sell them to other folks who might enjoy riding one instead of having them gather dust and rust in the garage.
Now for some reason, I seem to be more interested in electric scooters and fantasize about buying one than I seem to be in owning a motorcycle. 😂😂
hahahahahaha 😂❤
Ha! Gay!!! Seriously though scooters are awesome. There's place for one in everyone's garage.
@@ajaxnamjo Agreed! I'm definitely getting an electric scooter next just because they look like they are a ton of fun haha.
Ola
Whoaa! Someone is ready to make the switch.
Will cost 2.5 lkh onroad and one who can afford 2 .5 lakh scooter can also afford a good bike and fuel 🎉
Yeah. Buy a decent 160 and spend the rest of the money on fuel
USER EXPERIENCE 1 YR,
@OlaElectric = Untrusty company. Unethical marketing. Zero value for customer. ANYONE LOOKING TO TAKE OLA SCOOTER CHANGE UR MIND. IT'S WASTE MONEY & TIME. 2 MONTHS MY BIKE WAS DEAD. MY EXPERIENCE WAS WORST. THEY R ONLY LOOKING FOR SALES, EXTRACT MAX MONEY
It costs 2 on road
For Nature i think every one will purchase. Know low cost model available in ev
Ather needs to smell the coffee and bring something new. This design is done for.
coming soon is what i’ve heard
Family scooter is up next.
Indeed a perfect ev with no faults
But range is a big issue on such an expensive price range
We agree.
Exactly...
No ABS. Even at that price. That's the deal breaker.
yeah that’s a shame tbh
Yeah. Bummer
It'll help build the brand further, more than anything else.
yeah a halo product of sorts
and a tech demo for future athers
Or maybe people will continue asking questions about the price.
Karan I dont miss a single video from you ! Great content !
🙌🏻❤️
Lets goooooo!
I think their team should work on how to increase range rather den spending money on colours and graphics and UI changes
That will also mean a bigger battery pack. Which means more weight.
Over priced. Major chunk of market needs range and this can’t deliver it. All they did was colour, seriously who cares. This is apple does, if you over price products and create good marketing people wont tell bad about the products
hmm i agree, 1.89 lakh is a lot when you consider they should just make this tech a part of the new 450X for a much lesser price - but for the few that will buy it, its kinda cool
Very true .Its all Gimmick .Its a shame that they brought this .I dont understand what the buck is wrong with this manufacturers .
They are not producing what customer wants .
But never reported a burning or malfunction of ather... Quality & safety is their priority
Let’s not compare it with Apple, Apple does offer quality product along with performance and it understands its customer base and how to hook them to their ecosystem, thus can charge a fortune to make life easier for many. Ather isn’t doing that, and it won’t work.
Almost no company can increase range since battery prices are not decreasing that quick plus the gov pulled back on FAME subsidy
This "magic twist" has already been existing in Vida V1 for almost an year now. Along with the boost mode....
yeah but this is more usable across more situations
@@carswithkaran if the feature is exactly the same, how it can be more usable ?
Furthermore the Vida offers a custom mode in which you can select your power and regen profiles. More flexibility for wider range of audience.
@@snehhetawal the big difference is consistency - you can always rely on magic twist being there, whereas regular regen doesn’t work at full charge and not very well at low speeds either
Yeah. But where is the Vida? :P
@@powerdriftofficial at your nearest Hero dealership. 😀
What are those riding boots Karan. I love em would love to rock them.
they’re the forma adventure drys - can’t recommend them enough!
Super comfortable the Forma's
Yamaha Aerox 155 any day.......
hmm interesting 🤔
Ola
VP owns one. But apples and oranges.
How is it even 10 years? Their first production bike started selling in 2019 right?
They were doing r and d for 5 years or something.
They started the company in 2014
@@ewanssoman6321 that's how it's calculated? 😅 How does other automakers calculate?
@@ami.7everyone’s got a similar calculation - years since they were ‘founded’
This is from the very beginning.
My dream config was including single channel ABS, cruise control, advanced regen (regen modes) as well.
wish there was dual channel ABS tho
Why single? Dual is a must now. Especially with the performance it has .
@@powerdriftofficial atleast single should be available since 450X gen 2.
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@@jerinjoseph7420 sorry for what you had gone through, but why comment here ?
It's okay as a passion project. But performance scooters in general, make no sense whatsoever. We want more scooters with better range, charging speeds and lower price. It will mostly be used for city rides, so top speed and acceleration really don't matter. This thing will run out of juice by the time you get out of city traffic to experience its performance.
They do! But we also need practical scooters like you said. Ather has it covered with the S
Something that runs 100kmph on Indian roads needs abs before anything else.
agreed
For sure! ABS is a must.
Dropping Li-ion and going for Lithium Ferrophosphate would be a good idea, considering the latter handles heat issues far better and degrades slower.
I wish Ather will give an update of more increased range for Ather 450 Plus Third Gen Owners
sadly the magic twist is both a hardware and software change so that wont be coming for sure
KS with the answer.
So they just copy pasted all the features of Ola
did they?
@@carswithkaranyeah forced regen was in ola first.
You said it
@@sarthak-a2428 sure but use case is much wider - ather’s implementing in a way that it can replace the brakes most of the time
@@carswithkaran😂 never use brakes on my Ola S1 pro gen 1. It's really strong. Stops really fast. It's been 2 years owning it
Ather just copied this from Ola. No doubt.
Looks a bit gaudy and gimmicky with the colour scheme and the translucent back and all that. Like a gaming computer that has all kinds of colours popping up beneath the keyboard, knowing fully well that the specs are maxed out and it will do the job great.
I get the feeling this is a really fun product, but for those who want fun, blasting at speeds and loving all the cool magic twist and what not. I would not worry about the price if it didn't look silly. The 450x does almost everything this does, and stays dignified.
This one is kind of like the feeling I got when Porsche started making SUVs - just felt gaudy for a strikingly superb sports car maker.
I hope they are done with 450 with this! The last nail!
yup this is the final one!
Done. Finish. Khatam. Khallas.
Can draw parallels with the practice of apple phones and Ather
Old wines !😂😂
i feel those parallels too but in terms of user friendliness
@@carswithkaranis there though?
Dollar dollar bills
I was referring to Tim cooks Apple not Stieve jobs
Ather is great, who owns it, knows it 😊
for sure!
Ather owner in the house.
Hi everyone, apart from this review by our expert, I wanted to add a review , especially I am driving one of the latest Ather450Apex scooter . Below is my REALITY FEEDBACK after 1000+ kms within 1 month.
IN Sport mode - (max speed in this mode is around 90 + kmph)
0.5675 kms per percent / 1.7619 percent charge per km = 45 km range for 80% charge (condition: highway ride at 70 to 80 kmph) (charging time from 0 to 80 % = 140 mins - using ather grid fast charger)
Ride Mode - (max speed in this mode is 65 kmph)
0.8863 kms per percent / 1.1282 percent charge per km = 70 km range for 80% charge
(condition: highway ride at 60 kmph)
(charging time from 0 to 80 % = 120 mins minimum - using ather grid fast charger i.e 30 mins per 20 % charge )
I will put the above notes in an understandable manner :
after riding constantly in sport mode for 20 mins at 80kmph (which is faster than most scooter and a enjoyable speed) the scooter speed does reduce to 65 to 70 kmph due to thermal issues . But this is not really a big thing for someone who rides in locals. It will be an issue for someone who is constantly riding more than 25 to 30 km distance in one go.
Overall 70 kms range in Ride Mode minimum and 45 kms range in sport mode minimum . If you ride in 40 to 50 kmph then you will get like 5 to 10 kms extra that's the maximum. This is the truth.
As for the fun aspect it is very very quick , as I said earlier the speed will drop if you drive at 80+ to about below 65 after 20 mins of sport or warp mode. That you all have to remember.
Other things i want to add is that the scooter will keep on going faster right from the go 0 to 80 very quick and above that to a 100 just a little slow not as slow as a petrol powered scooter.
About charging : there are two levels of charging :
from 0 to 80% it will take 3.45 hours and
from 80 to 100 percent another 2 hours total of 5.45 hours as the company claims ,
IN Public charging it will take 30 mins per 20% charge approximately , so for 0-80% in public charger you will have to wait for a total of 120 min s minimum , otherwise if you are charging at home it won't be a issue as you can take rest and take the vehicle outside after a Slow 100% charging,
So you have to wait around 120 to 160 mins for charging from completely empty 0% to 80 % in a public charger for those who are going far distances this will be a concern ,
i have travelled between Chennai and Puducherry which is a total of approx 140 + 140 kms ,
So in reality when you drive 40 kms in RIDE mode (which is the mode you have to go in Long DISTANCE) you will lose 40 to 50% charge , hence i mentioned already you will have to wait for around 80 mins for this charge to come for example from 30 to 80%, so you ride for 40 mins and wait for 80 mins so for every 40kms distance you will spend 120 mins in total , imagine for 140kms how much i would have spend ,
So up and down i spent a total of 15 hours of travel instead of 7 hours of travel in a petrol scooter. this is the difference Between Electric and Petrol and electric scooter in Range Wise review of mine.
Fast… super fast
yup!
Very!
For those who are saying its overpriced. Well don't comment if you think that cause if you want an ather then just buy a 450s and want more range just buy ola s1 pro gen2. Ather doesn't care if it sells or not they celebrated their anniversary and gave us a special scooter.
I'm not concerned about the range at all. I'm buying it.
You'll enjoy it! :)
I have brought 450 apex & wrap+ mode is just awesome.
I love this more then my car or any other vachile I have ever drove.
However, it's not for beginners. It is dangerously Punchy.
Definitely not for family use.
Overall, it's totally worth the cost if you are looking for an adrenaline rush on wheels...
Its a scooter for those who dislike scooters. Its a sports bike for those who hate bikes. It is a passion project and would sell like a passion project. Less than 1000 units this year.
Limited units is the plan we feel.
I'm sorry...did he say the battery will go from 100 to 0 in just 10kms (6 minutes) if you ride at 100kmph? Why even bother with a mode like that...?
you’d need quite a bit of space to be gunning it at a 100kmph for 10 straight kms but yes
@@carswithkaran neat way to get stranded on the highway 😂
@@Vedant.Shimpi 🤣🤣🤣
I believe there is an error. How will a 7 kW motor empty a 3,700 kwh battery in just 6 minutes. At full theoretical capacity of motor it will take at least 30 minutes to drain the battery from 100 to 0.
@@carswithkaran😂😂😂 just last week I went 100 for more than 40kms on my puny bike.
this is a little towards the expensive side of things but still , if we remove the price tag, this is the best ev scooter in india
i second that, not on paper but in terms of the experience
Not a little, but quite expensive we feel.
KTM 450X?
😂😂
hahahhah!
Wow
🙌🏻⚡️
Indeed!
still ola tops waiting for physical key
You own one it seems ?
Haven't seen aany aether store ,i live in a t2 city they need to open showrooms so people can atleast see and feel the product, they need to bring a product with more range
agreed! which city are you in?
Its in my tier 2 city
Which city are we talking about?
Yes., it’s not value for money until you consider it’s running costs (for when you need to ride 20-30km) still not good to convince me
This particular one is expensive yes
what i don't like is the exposed front forks. Rest of the scooter looks great. There are some that i know who feel that the scooter is too small and, thus, is for women.
Sure! Looks are a subjective topic anyway.
Inspired by apple..... ❄️✌️
haha yeah they’ve got that vibe
From the very start, yeah. Its a good ecosystem
Ktm X Yamaha X Ather
hahahaha yes
here we go
2:00 - Ola S1 pro hits 116km/h.
They can never attain what Ola can attain
120kmph on gen 2
@@bigapple5842I never got to experience hyper mode.
But when we did a VBox run, 117kmph on the speedo showed 100kmph true speed.
Indian team jersey and practice jersey together
😂😂
BWahahahhahha. Comment of the day
I sold my Ather 450x after using it for 2 years and driven for 30k.
The vehicle drastically reduced its range, especially if you carry a pillion rider.
The company should focus on delivering better range.
Nobody would ride in warp mode for longer time by knowing the fact that the battery drains faster and you’ll have to call your friend to tow.
Poor practical range.
But did it give accurate range?
@@powerdriftofficial it doesn't... Hardly 50km on eco mode... Even if u ride between 30 to 35 or 40... And that is the reality...
Ather is good however plz check out the Ultraviolette F77 limited edition/space edition. 5.99lakh on road price Bengaluru. True enthusiasts will earn 3 things 1) Ballistic mode (100nm torque) 2) 8 years warranty on the battery 3) Savings if you ride her constantly
massssssssive price and more importantly use case gap between the two
That's still super expensive.
The magic twist is basic feature in ola..
Yuss.
great scooter ather, now put all this in a bike, double the battery and launch it.
Ather 900
Hahaha! Ather for now is working on a family scooter.
They should have work on range rather than performance
i’m guessing the new platform is the one that will bring the more significant updates
But this one is not meant for range.
KTM powered by battery 😂
Ntorq electric version with 3x cost😂😂
Transparent side panels too.
Konsa nasha karke design kar rahe h yelog 😅😂
Mehenga toh hay
@@powerdriftofficial bhai mene bola sb design same h inke design pe kharch hi nhi kar rahe ye log kuch mehanga or sasta to bola hi nhi
Ganja.
Who the hell wants a fast scooter 😅
hahaha who doesn’t?! 😅
@@carswithkarannone bro.
@@carswithkaranyou can watch yesterdays think school video about ola ipo. They gave a market breakout of scooter market in india.
Buy aerox instead or waith till honda adv hits the market if you really want a scooter
We do!
Don't buy early the company will be slashing the price within the first 6 months. Wait until the.
Spot on and its not fair for buyers of the first lot.
Regarding design: This is the problem with our consumers. They can't appreciate a good/minimalist design when they have it. They keep clamoring for a facelift and manufacturers are forced to come up with a overdone design which looks ugly by the 3rd iteration. Then people again request them to bring back the classic design. Design especially for two wheelers is quite finite, unless some generational shift like ICE to EV, Halogen to LED help change few elements. So, I will be happy if Ather continues to use the same design for another 5 years, because the next one will be mostly uglier.
People will only buy electric vehicles only when,
- For 2 wheelers, 300-350 KM range on full charge, wherein the vehicle is fully charged within 40-45 mins and 15mins of charge gives you roughly 100kms.
Priced roughly 1.3-1.5 OTR Pan India
- For 4 wheelers, 450-500 KM range on full charge, wherein the vehicle is fully charged within 40 - 45 mins again and 15 mins of charge gives you roughly 175-180 kms.
Priced roughly 8-10 lakhs OTR Pan India.
do electric scooters really need 350km range?
That's not possible
If you you need more range
More batteries
More price
More weight
Less efficient
Lesser range
Fast charging should help us.
Who needs 300+ km range in scooters? 😂😂😂😂
140-150 km range on ride & sports mode will be good..
Ur comment doesnt make any sense 😂😂😂
1.5 lakhs and 300km range, you're talking about 2033 😂
300-350kms? Imagine the weight the battery pack will carry.
Kuch v bna k bech do log khrid hi lenge
Itna aasaan nai rahega ye
Warp+ is not what people need, we need a large battery capacity.
That also means more weight.
I was never a fan of the scooty pep like design
haha, i like it! 😂
This is the last of the lot.
Need speed go for Yamaha aerox 155...not this...❤
yup but this offers a lot too!
Apples and oranges.
बकबास है ये पहली वाली सही थी बस रेंज बड़ा देते तो सब खरीद लेते अब दोनों में सेम है बस 1,2 चीजे तो ज्यादा है कौन इतने पैसे देगा इसके। 😂
Ye sirf ek variant hay. Mehenga wala
1.8L....lol...go get a petrol scooter😂😂 or bike
yeah it is pricey
Last of the 450s
1.89 for an EV? what a sham. In fact, I just don't get the EV concept at all.
i actually think electric and scooters go hand in hand more than any other form of personal mobility
@@carswithkaran well for scooters they make sense but not at 1.89 lacs. That's absurd imo.
Pricing aside, I just can't stand the hassle of charging. The convenience of ICE is leaps and bounds ahead.
The price tag is expensive yes! Feels more like a limited edition this.
@@powerdriftofficial to be fair a "limited edition" wrt to digital stuff is an oxymoron. Some other manufacturer can make a similar product or better and this will be rendered useless cos it has no special character to it. But look at analog stuff, they're timeless if they're special. A small example is the RD350. Long gone from production yet is revered and sought after. There are faster, safer bikes than that but I has something that can't be replicated. Same with watches. Analog watches garner far more collector's attention than a modern "smart" watch will ever.
I'll stick to my ICEs. Heck my Honda Dio bought in 2002 is still butter smooth. 😀🤷🏽♂️ Serves my city needs more than adequately and I never have to worry about charging it or running out of charge any time.
Still ola is far more better
while the ola is more impressive on paper, i’d buy the 450X over it any day - purely for the user friendliness of it
Range? Performance? Which aspect?
Ather price is higher but range is very low.... nobody cares about colours and above all Peoples cares about performance bikes but who cares about performance scooters ? 🙄
sure, which is why this is not for the masses
With what we have experienced, the Ather range is not low in real life. Its pretty accurate in fact but this particular variant does not focus on that
Hahahaha😂 we have simple one which goes 100km and price is 1.46lakh
Only body works nothing special apart from body look into chetak 2024
wdym
Chetak kaha se aaya
@@powerdriftofficial aur kya Aayega please bataye comment ka meaning samjhne mein sayad galati hai aap logo ko
Overprice. Within 90k people would have gone Bongkers.
90k is impossibruu
What's with all the attention to EVs these days??
Why is no one talking about reality.?
People have to pay 60%of the EV's price after 3 years. Those Environmentalists must have a clear idea , where all these E -Waste is going to go, and the electricity they are using is coming from renewable resources..
Stop burning petrol 1st😂
@@bigapple5842 So petrol is the reason for climate change?. Only that much literate you are?
There are questions and unfortunately, we do not have all the answers.
Too expensive..
pricey for sure
We agree
costly shit
Sure thing
This is absolutely useless in my opinion. There is absolutely zero value for money in this model as it is the 450x was pricey but was to some extent justifiable but this is absolutely not. The magic twist if I am not wrong is a purely software update I don't think it needs any additional hardware except the twisting grip input this could have been a simple upgrade to the 450x. They should have not stretched this platform any further.
Its not meant for the masses anyway, The S takes care of that. And yeah, we agree about the stretching of the platform. Thankfully, this was the last hurrah
Over priced Shit scooter that no one will buy
i’m sure a few will get one
People will but this is not for the masses.
Expensive Too Much.
Overpriced for sure👎
yeah, but again - not for the masses
100%
Ather is a joke🤣
Humour us too.
Just like your life. Nah your life is a better joke.