As a heavy diesel mechanic that moved from construction equipment to ag years ago I have worked for a kubota dealer, kioti dealer, and even a dealer that sold landini and Duetz fahr. There was lemons every once and awhile with every brand. but across the board it really ended up being who owned it. A good owner could keep a tin tractor running for year.
I bought my branson 3510 from a local dealer in north central fl in 2005. Compared to a equally powered JD or Kubota, the branson had 600 more pounds of lift from the loader, the axles were almost twice the size and the initial cost was obviously the main consideration. The branson was also heavier. After 1500 hours I had to repack the curl cylinders but that loader has had a bunch of heavy lifting and digging. Other than that, I hung a huge vine on the fill neck of the fuel tank and kept on mowing until I smelled diesel fuel. I had ripped the fill neck and the entire corner of the fuel tank out. I was well out of warranty but I called Branson headquarters and they shipped me a redesigned fuel tank, free of charge. I have operated many john deere tractors over my lifetime but the thing I can't get past is the cost of simple items and consumables. I paid $13.00 one time for a single, small o-ring. What a friggin scam.
Quite a few years ago , I had a customer stop by with a brand new JD exhaust pipe- he asked if I could replicate it- only 2 bends, yeah, no problem. He had me make one- tried it, then had me make 3 more . He asked me how much- I figured it cost me $12 to make for all 4- so I charged him $20 He started cussing, ranting and raving- I thought he was thinking I was screwing him over- told him I could come down a little bit. He said " Dave, I'm not mad at you, I paid $54 for a pipe you made 4 of for $20......."
That’s my biggest problem with John Deere and also Caterpillar. Every single little thing is grotesquely overpriced. You feel like Leroy had his way with you in prison. Keep your John D. all John Deere green with only genuine John Deere parts. Yeah right, so I can pay for the tractor 4 times over it’s lifespan! Then someone will look at you for buying a generic grade five 1/4 inch bolt that holds down a light bar bracket and try to tell you it’s not going to last or , you know you’re not going to be happy with it and you’re just gonna end up buying the “real “ one from John Deere down the road. While you’re screaming inside it’s just a 1/4 inch bolt for Pete’s sake!
So you admit to breaking your equipment from poor operation and then screwing the supplier by asking for free replacement parts. You sir are the reason why the local tractor suppliers are cut throat because they deal with a lot of entitled customers like yourself. If enough people did what you did the Branson company would have to increase their prices higher.
@@williamjohnston580 Jump to conclusions much? Good grief. First off, tell me what I did that was poor operation. Second, I called Branson to order a new tank, expecting to pay full price, was honest and told them how I broke it. They offered to ship me a replacement for free. I did not ask for that or complain I just thanked them for great customer service. That was my whole point. You sir, need to take a reading comprehension refresher course. If enough people would pay more attention to what they are reading in YT comments there wouldn't be a bunch of argumentative comments going back and forth.
TYM 574 owner. In the first 10 minutes of using the PTO it burned up the soleniod and shorted out the safety control relay. The loader control handle broke off at the threads. TYM bailed on me on the warranty when I tried to get my dealer to fix it, he did give me a new solenoid but told me the control relay was not available. I had to bypass the safety control relay and run a new switch for my PTO. 6 year warranty sounds great until you try to actually redeem it. The rest of the tractor seems okay after 300 hours.
My father had a kioti, we put thousands of hours on that tractor it didn’t live a easy life in a field it dragged logs and moved dirt it’s whole life and it never had a single issue. Never replaced anything other than hoses and tires.
I've had my Kioti CK3510 for 4 years, put 450 hours on it and only had one issue with a banjo hydraulic fitting for the transmission where the O-ring inside split three times before I finally got a better quality O-ring. But other then that the build quality and engine are impeccable, I thought I'd have a problem with the DPF stuff but it does re-gens when it needs to and I've had nothing but good to say about my Kioti.
I worked for new Holland and yeah sure the "over seas" brands are cheap and may last a bit but it was a pain getting parts, a brand new tractor of any kind will do a good job for 2-4 yrs depending on the work load but in my experience being a farmer and mechanic the parts for foreign tractors are cheap and hard to get cause their far and few between finding a dealership for parts, a dealer doesn't sell the parts they sell the tractor, so good luck getting parts that matter, a hydraulic line isn't a part, tractor supply has that..
In the Marine Corps, we were taught human practical application dictates how effective our weapon systems are. Do more with less, etc., etc. Same thing applies here. Your equipment, if kept in good working condition dictates your use and also abuse. I appreciate videos like this for the reality. Good stuff!
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I'm glad you like LS. I worked for them for a bit and thought they were solid. Big thing for me when looking at tractors is the weld quality as the engines, hydraulics, and transmissions are commodity items, what differentiates them is how well designed and put together they are. And no Chinese steel.
Enjoyed the video! Thanks for not doing anything janky. It was beneficial just watching you stand in front of the tractor and talking to us. I appreciate not having the distractions. Well done sir!
Someone once told me that statistically, you're much more likely to catch buyer's remorse if you go with either the cheapest or the most expensive. That probably holds for tractors too. I've definitely experienced it with implements.
I lived in Korea for over a year. I have zero reservations about buying anything Korean made. Those people take some serious pride in their work and their products, especially in machinery and technology.
One of the things taught early in my business degree classes was "a happy customer will tell their family and friends, an unhappy customer will tell everyone they come across". One of the biggest concerns about non-JD/Kubota tractors is proximity to dealers, and warranty support for some of the rebadges like Summit and RK.
I bought a 55 Hp RK the only problem I have had is the freon was low, They came to my farm checked and repaired it at no costs, If I was to buy another one it would be the 74 horse.
Spent the day today brush mowing with my TYM T394 Cab model. Just cleared the 200 hour mark and so far it’s been very solid. I did however experience a manufacturers defect with the fuel tank and had to replace it which they did not cover unfortunately. Obviously there’s always things a person would like to have or things you wished they had but for $10,000 less than the comparable model in a Green tractor I am very pleased so far.
Great video Hank. My previous experience with tractors, when my wife and I raised horses in Florida, was an older model Ford 3000 diesel. It was a great tractor and definitely did the job we needed it for. We relocated to North Carolina about 12 years ago. About three years ago we purchased a Kioti CS-2510 sub compact tractor with front end loader, box blade, scrape blade, and a 4-foot brush hog. It is definitely an amazing tractor that does everything we need on our 6 acres. Additionally, it is a very tough tractor with excellent quality.
I have been thinking about buying a CS2210/CS2220. The ONLY thing I am concerned with is they have the lowest ground clearance. Has this been an issue for you? I have 3 acres half forest and slopes
@@TheAussieincalgary I bought a CS2220 a little over a year ago, and only have a few minor complaints. The lights mounted on the rollbar have both been hit on trees and broke, but there are holes to mount them behind the seat which will protect them better. I also had a seal go out on the belly mower gear box, which was out of warranty (1 year on attachments). Other than that, it has done everything I would expect of it. I have recommended it to others and will continue to. BTW, I know a bit about machines, been a heavy equipment tech for over 20 years and now teach Diesel and heavy equipment repair.
@billsmithingell7902 Cool, I do like them. I did my apprenticeship on a city (dozens, graders, city garden machines, to small engines etc) 41 years so far . I'm currently dealership riff-raff cars, diesel, EV ( & fixing all the stuffups by the others). Have you seen anyone replace a Hemi for the newer CUMMINS R3.8? I know the R2.8 is becoming popular in Jeeps. But my 09 1500 is getting tired (already replaced cam & lifters) Thought about doing a full rebuild but prices are getting stupid.
Thanks for this video. I was always a green owner but needed a new tractor this spring with a backhoe attachment and bought a Kioti 3520. Have 120 hours on it already and am convinced that this is a great tractor. I had a minor problem on day one that was easily fixed and it has been perfect ever since. KIOTI is my go to brand from this point on. I LOVE IT.
I've had my TYM T474 Cab for two years, so far it has been great! I drove 6 hours to Phoenix, Team Tractor's to get mine. My only 2 pet peeves are, the fuel tank I would like more capacity, only 6 gallons. And the 3 point control is just a handle, no stop point gage.
We are on our third S. Korean built car. Zero problems. I only have 20 hrs. on my Kioti CS2520, but have had no issues and am absolutely amazed at what this tractor is capable of. First weekend, I pulled 19 stumps from the property line and 9 cemented in 4x4 fence posts. Every day, I find a new use for the FEL. I use the drive over MMM deck and it does a great job. One thing that impressed me with the Kioti was the cast ferrous metal drive line. The major brands use either aluminum or "pot metal" for their drive lines. What steered me to the Kioti was a dealer that sell both the Kioti and the LS. They sold their LS for their scaled down farm (they are in their 70's) and bought a Kioti because they felt it was better built. That steered me away from the New Holland, because they are built by LS. Not to mention, the dealer that is less that a quarter mile away only had SCUT's with cabs. I love my Kioti, as well as my third Kia automobile.
I studied on my tractor purchase and dreamed for about 3 years before finances would allow me to purchase. I finally pulled the trigger and got a massey ferguson 1825e with the backhoe and third function. I have not been dissappointed. Regardless of the brand you go with, get the size tractor you need and buy from a dealer you can trust to be available to you after the sale for service and repairs.
I was fine with my TYM until I needed parts outside of routine maintenance items. So I bought a LS tractor and found out quick local area dealers significantly over charge for parts. So now I buy my parts from New Holland since my LS is the same as a particular new Holland. I'd go back to TYM if I had the opportunity to.
I saved about $20000 on my Kioti and it came with lots mores bells and whistles including extra front and rear remote hydraulics at no extra costs. The frame is beefier and lubrication points more accessible. Lifts more weight with the loader and the turn ratio is way better. I sold my Kubota non cab tractor and got a Kiotio cab tractor for the same price. Love my dealer, also. Made out of metal unlike the cheap Plastic JDs. I test drove one, but they seem cheap built and take a half acre to turn around compared to my Kioti.
Ck2620 is very low hours, but has moved everything I bought it to move. Lost a bunch of trees in storms earlier this year, right after I bought the place. As my lot is heavily wooded, renting would just be a waste of money. Neighbor is never met drove by while it was dark, and saw me in driveway stuck behind trees. He offered a lift to find somewhere with power for a cup of joe, and offered to help with his tractor. After seeing it lift the 10 ft remains of 100ft pine I’d chainsaws, driving on the front wheels, rears in The air, I was sold. Tree company dropped my red cedar by mistake, and it was so long I couldn’t make it down driveway. I was able to pick it up and drop it over the fence, then grab from other side to move to drying area. Lift capacity is ridiculous, and weight with backhoe means it will move whatever I feel needs moving. Kioti wins, period.
For me, Access to a dealer, spare parts availability, and long term support are the characteristics that lead me to narrow my search to two Brands, John Deer and Kubota. I ended up with a Kubota and don't regret it.
My Branson 4720i is 17 years old, I bought it brand new in 2006 and have very minimal issues, the only down side is part’s availability. None near me. The tractor is very strong.
I have a Kioti NX5010. Put 1K hours on it in 2 years. Built a long driveway and cleaned up multiple mobile homes and travel trailers on an abandoned farm we bought. As well as clearing pastures, trails, etc. Just like you, a lot of things that were self inflicted. It happens when you're trying to get things done. A few issues that have cropped up were the main hydro valve would kick it out of 4wd, and always at the worst possible time. The local dealership refused to work on it because I didn't purchase it from them. But they've since lost the brand, which they never deserved to have to begin with. The dealership I purchased the tractor from went above and beyond to get it taken care of. Now dealing with 3pt lift cylinders that are leaking pretty bad, and unfortunately they don't appear to be DIY repackable. My only complaint/peeve is parts are not readily available. But the tractor has done everything I've asked it to. I'd buy another Kioti.
Grew up with Ford farm tractors and most of the farmers around us had JDs in the 70s. Fast forward to the past 15 years and all I have had are Kubota. They have served me well and had no major breakdowns in 1500 hrs of use. If I was buying new today, it would be hard to ignore a TYM at more than $10K less than a comparable Kubota. My preference would be to switch to JD, but they are even more expensive than Kubota. Lots of things to think about as we consider our next tractor upgrade.
Hank, you are absolutely right. I did research for 3 years before I bought my tractor. Looked at all the brands and road out to dealers and test drove all of them. I decided the best for my needs and money was my 2012 LS 38 hp. Very happy with it. Also the dealer is only 50 miles away which really helps. Thanks for the info keep up the good work.
Your buddy Tony recommended the T264 to me and I could not be happier. Great tractor. I'm a first time tractor owner but fortunately I have some (well maybe some) common sense gained from a career in the military that reminds me that maintenance is key. That's why I'm glad for channels like Tony's and yours putting out relevant information to lesson the learning curve. Good Luck.
I bought a used kioti ck35 used with just over 200hrs. I kept the tractor for over 10 years of abuse by me. The only thing I had to do is replace the synchronizers in the shuttle shift transmission after 1500hrs sold it for $1000 less that what I purchased it for. Great tractors!
We have a 2022 Mahindra 6065 and a 2006 Mahindra 3505. One of the reasons we bought the 6065 was because of how well the 3505 has been for us. The other reason was no DEF or Regen.There are always bugs to work out with any new piece of equipment, but the 6065 has been great so far. We got a package with an American made bush hog and grapple. We have ran across quite a few quality control issues with those. We have seen loose bolts, loose hydraulic connections, and stuff like that. I haven't seen those issues with Mahindra yet.
I’m also a Mahindra owner, I have a 1626 because I needed a small tractor that would fit in the small stalls of a goat barn, but also needed a machine that could handle 1300 lbs hay rolls. This little Mahindra is a darn mule! I bought it new in 2020 and I’ve only had to replace a few items that I damaged because of not paying attention. As far as wear n tear….nothing is worn out or broken. I’ve owned or operated literally hundreds of machines throughout my lifetime….and if I had the opportunity to purchase another tractor (or to have one given to me free of charge) I’d definitely get another Mahindra! This 1626 has out lifted my brothers Kubota L3901 and my brother-in-laws John Deere (39hp), and it’s out lifted them by several hundred pounds. Mahindra certainly makes a VERY tough and capable tractor, anyone who doesn’t give them a look when they’re tractor shopping is making a huge mistake. I have recently moved onto our farm, which is a large parcel of land, so it’s time to start preparing for another tractor purchase. I’ve got to get a machine in the 60hp to 90hp range to handle the land clearing that I’ve got to get done. I have no plans on trading my 1626 in on the new tractor, I’ll be keeping it and using it until the day the Lord brings me home….. In my opinion, based on my real world experience with other tractor manufacturers, Mahindra is definitely a top contender in the world of reliable and powerful tractors. Not to mention that the 25hp Mahindra 1626 outweighs almost every other brands 40hp tractors…..if you’re going to be doing work such as plowing, grading, discing, or any other work that requires ground engagement…you definitely don’t want a light weight tractor or else you’re going to have constant issues with traction. Mahindra is definitely my number one choice!
@@StandingGoatsRescue, I now have over 200 hours on my Mahindra since I last posted and it is still going strong with no issues. I know 200 isn't much, but is is still a new tractor. We will see if it lasts as long as out 3505 Mahindra.
I bought a new john deere 3 series back in 2018 and it was the same with that tractor. Loose bolts on the loader and a few other random places and loose hydraulic hoses so those problems aren't unique to cheaper brands. My next machine will probably be a tym.
I did a lot of research before getting my TYM. We run new Holland Equipment (can't stand the JD high prices) and heard a lot of people complain about the lower HP NH tractors. In fact, nearly all the lower end HP tractors from all companies were made overseas, including JD which was made in mexico or India. The ONLY complain I have on my TYM 574, is the clutch is REALLY HARD to depress, which means my son cannot drive it. We may end up switchign to a hydrostat later, but the guys at TYM suggested the manual since we'd also use it for field work from time to time. But wow, it's a work horse! It can run all day at full throttle and not get tired.
We love our RK 37 / TYM we bought in 2021 for our ten acre horse farm here in NC. No issues, did the 50 hour service myself. Best value we found for the money.
A buddy of mine recently bought a Kubota tractor, a fairly large one. He did a lot of research about tractors before he bought it and he decided on a Kubota. He is very well pleased that he did, even though he knew he could save quite a bit of money if he bought some other brand.
I have a Mahindra 2638 HST Cab (built by TYM in South Korea) and it's been flawless other than a fuel gauge sender needing replacement out of warranty ($85 part). Over 500 hours now, zero issues. Just annual maintenance and filters.
Bought an RK25 in March of this year, no issues at all, a very well built size tractor for the small 5 acre lot I have, easy to maneuver in tight areas, can't beat the price for a sub compact
Tidbit; Daedong/ Kioti also owns Bobcat, and the Bobcat tractors are the same as the kioti, just different paint. I have a Dk 4710 SE and l absolutly love it, coldest ever A/C in the summer and super heat in the winter blowing snow. Great power and lift with zero issues. Simple antipollution regen sytem. Rear lift super strong well built. Good on fuel too.
"Every brand has it's problems" thank you for saying that! You're absolutely right, no one praises things when it works right, but the second something goes wrong. I have been looking at tractors for the last year in the compact range, I think I have settled on getting me a Kioti CX2510!
I have a Kiote 3510. The little mule just doesn’t quit! Besides general maintenance and a lost front axle drain bolt, it has been trouble free over seven hundred hours of hard work.
I'm about to do my 300 hour service on a LS MT357HC. Almost all of those hours were spent pulling stumps, lifting logs, and digging out forested ground. Been great so far, I haven't had a problem with it.
A word of advive from a professional farmer ; if you want to do anything involving tree stumps, call your local plant hire company. Trees have roots specially designed to stop the tree keeling over. Much cheaper to pay a backhoe machine to dig them up than to break your tractor trying to pull them down
Most of my concern isn’t so much with build quality, even though I’ll admit it’s a determining factor when I look at a tractor regardless of manufacturer, it’s the availability of parts and serviceability.
So far so good. My LS MT342HC with 140 hours no problem. Air will freeze you out on a 93 degree day with 87% humidity today. Filling in a culvert had a 27 ft long 48 inch pipe in a ditch 12 ft deep, 34 ft wide at the top. Must have moved 150 yds of clay to fill it in. Ran like a top. So yes, I'm happy I bought an LS. Last winter had a hell of a snow storm. Spent 5 hours moving snow. With no coat on. Heat worsk well. And when I bought it the Kubota was 14 thousand more for comparable tractor with fewer features and the Deere was 16K more with fewer features.
Wait to see if you can get 8000 Hrs on it. I’ve got JD with 12000 hr 4000 hr 6500 hr and low hr JD. of course they are real ag tractors getting worked every day
I am an old engineer who still researches stuff to death to get it right. Wow! Could have saved time by watching this video. I am very impressed by your knowledge, unlike some who make videos no matter what they know. Seems like you are a straight shooter, as well. Appreciate it.
Thanks Hank! I really love the way you approach your comparisons between brands. You present the facts without bashing one brand over another. Good stuff!
The Problem with South Korean tractor were the ones built durring the South Korean Sunshine Policies, where they made parts in North Korea. When the Sunshine Policies collapsed you couldn't get the parts for those tractors and were stuck with useless lawn Ornaments. The current ones are much better though the service from what I have seen isn't the same as Deere, and IH, or New Holand. The TYM and others don't have incorporated GPS. For spraying.
@@carrollsanders9376 This is nothing new- I recall back to the late 80's- early 90's when a lot of Eastern European stuff came over. Remember a customer had a rebadged Zetor tractor. Need brake parts for it- but since it was built, Czechoslovakia broke up into 2 countries, and each separate company in each country said to contact the other for parts! BTW-, we eventually figured out a USA equivalent - as I recall parts from a 58 Studebaker truck were the right size.....
GOOD INFO, I'm a JD owner but now looking at a smaller tractor and been checking out LS, your pod cast has good info, we have a LS dealer near by and give about same info you have given, Thanks for your program, Gary Tugwell Dew,Tx
I agree with the info you are giving. I was stationed in South Korea 3 times and saw the change in what they produced. The tractor evolution mirrors the car evolution. I saw the Daedong tractors on a regular basis, basic but they worked the rice fields. If you compare the Hundai/Kia cars evolution it matches. When they started to bring product to the US they had to upgrade/update. It was not overnite but they are a getting far closer to being a direct competitor to the other green & orange stuff. The area where they need to upgrade is the dealer network. When someone compares it to the green & orange, having to drive a maybe significant distance to a dealer is a drawback when they may have multiple green & orange dealers within a short distance.
Nothing says Korea like a Daedong one eyed water buffalo. They are getting rarer though. Lots of smaller cabbed tractors (LS, TYM, and Daedung, occasionally John Deere) there now (actually “here” for me as I am in Seoul now though no longer wear a green suit). I’d buy a Kioti in the states but the closest stocking dealer is a couple hundred miles away whereas I have Kubota 15 and 35 miles away. (And John Deere seven miles and Massey 12 miles).
I can’t talk about the Korean tractors but I Can about Kubota. I’ve worked Kubota tractors harder than any body should and they have been great, extremely reliable and durable!
Not to bash kubota but they don't compare to the mahindra in lifting power, lifting weight or height. The hydraulics are slightly faster but not as strong.
I love a good discussion, and Hank, this one has certainly sparked a good bit of discussion. I've farmed for many many years, started in the mid 90's with a couple of international 574, 674, and a newer 685 series. They were solid old beasts, old when I got them, but served me well. Then...in 08, I really needed something a little smaller, with a FEL and 4wd. I ran across a deal on a Mahindra 3510, and though I had a number of people telling me the tractor was junk, I looked it over, the dealer seling it let me take it out to the property and put it through it's paces. For a 35 horse tractor, that little critter is a beast. I have now had that tractor for over 15 years, it doesn't have a spot in the barn so sits outside, tarped in really bad weather or snow, and I still couldn't be happier. She often is used to pull start the old IH stuff in super cold weather, and never complains once. Yes, I've had a few problems over the years, but to give an example of how hard I work that tractor, she is semi-permanently attached to an old pull-behind mini-combine designed for a 50 hp tractor...has been for almost the past 8 years. Sucks a bit more fuel, and drags a bit on startup, but that little Korean made diesel has taken a lickin' and kept right on tickin'. tractor has nearly 12k hours on it believe it or not, and still I wouldn't trade it for the world. I suppose the reason I posted this comment is, I've gotten even recently, a bunch of people talking junk about the Mahindra stuff, and while I can't speak for all of them, I can tell ya if I had it to do over again, the only thing I'd do different is take the 10% discount the dealer offered me, and buy a second one. Keep up the good work and the awesome vids Hank!
Great video! Had a New Holland for about 18 years. Only issue I had was a tie rod end that must have been defective and got sloppy in the first year. Replaced it and never replaced another one. All I did after that was routine maintenance. Only reason I have a Kubota now is I upsized and couldn’t pass up the deal they gave me. Actually think the 3 point and rear PTO was better on the New Holland.
Watch out for the pto clutch / cable on the new holland TN80. It turns on but it takes a half hour or more to turn off. Kind of a problem when you need to restart the engine when the pto light shows it is still engaged
When I bought my Kioti DK6010 cabbed tractor I priced similarly spec Deere and Kabota and they was 15K more. 400 hours later and still happy with my choice
"All tractors have their issues." That's exactly right. And that's why I ask dealers when I'm brand shopping to show me prices on service items and typical prices on replacement parts for things that might (or will) break. Cost of maintenance and repair is a huge cost that very few people consider when buying any kind of vehicle.
I was test driver worked for jd 2011 and 12 worked for engineers testing and putting hrs doing different things with tractor's before went on line after so many hrs were put on tractor they would reverse engineer it it would look like an operating room hoses machines computer hooked up to them to see what parts were wearing and how bad then they cut it up and put it in dumpster except for like sun shade and tires i was really disappointed with jd because axle were from China some motors from India and Japan also and to much computer stuff and plastic but realized everything is going to that i guess it just hurt my heart that nothing was American anymore its really sad we have sold our soul to all mighty dollar sorry about crying on your shoulder lol god bless America
Speaking of bragging up tractors, well I gotta brag up my Kioti ck2610hst. 418 hours and zero issues. Everyone wants to complain, but no one wants to talk about the good things. Good videos Hank.
My concern is future parts availability…..like 10-15 years down the road. Plus, it seems like you see Mahindra, Branson, Montana and other off-brand dealers come and go regularly.
@@seanhammer6296 Well, I would agree that our nation is in trouble, and that parts availability may not be my “main concern” but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be a factor to consider, especially on an expensive piece of equipment.
I had really thought long and HARD about buying an LS, MT series cab tractor. They came factory with a FEL, 4x4, had atleast 3 or 4 sets of remotes, and were priced WAAYY less than a “name brand.” I know of a couple ppl that have an LS and love em. But I’ve read and watched a ton of bad review’s on mechanical issues with them so that steered me away. So far I’m extremely pleased with my Kubota! Kubota is very popular around my area, especially for those of us who use them as a hay crop tractor.
I did a good bit of research before I bought my RK 37/ TYM and what I found was TYM has been in business for 70 years and S. Korean manufacturing is considered to be on par with that of the Japanese, which say's a lot. I looked at some of the equivalent models from JD, Kubota and Massey and for me the RK just beat them out in price, build quality, options, specs and weight.
Just ordered my Rk37 this past Saturday. Researched a ton. Everything kept coming back to RK. The exact same tractor would have cost me $12k +. All that extra for a good dealer
I owned a John Deere for 11 years. It was solid. I bought an RK 37 a year ago and I absolutely love it! It’s so easy to operate, I’ve had no issues and it is every bit as solid as my JD.
Meanwhile Hyundai and Kia is having major engine problems. South Korean cars are not the best in terms of quality and reliability. They may make other products that are good but cars are not one of them.
I agree with everything you said in this video. We bought a Kubota last year but looked at every other brand. I have nothing against every other tractor brand. We purchased a Kubota because we have a great, reputable dealer near us. I have a good friend who has a Kioti and another friend who has an LS and neither person has had any issue at all with their tractors. I also watch every one of the channels that you mentioned in this video and Tractor Mike, as well. We met CJ at the Paul Bunyan show last year. He seems like a great guy and has such a nice family.
When i worked at a bobcat dealership who contracts koiti i pdi plenty of them only saw a few back for either service or the pump needed to get reshimmed
Been using a Branson tractor on 2000 acres of ranch land. Mowing, feeding big round bales, moving dirt, etc. Couldn't be happier with it. Hundreds of hours.
Sounds like you're satisfied. I'm not sure if hundreds of hours is a good basis for anything though, especially considering you're on 2k acres of land. Had I read you were at 10k plus hours I'd be more impressed. Frankly, a NORTH KOREAN tractor would probably give similar service up to hours in the "hundreds."
I have a Branson 2400 with BL100 loader and BH100 backhoe attachments to work on my 10 acres of mesquite, cactus and sagebrush. I retired in June of 2023 and bought the equipment new in 2017, putting only about 350 hours on it. Only issue I've had was with the loader control handle connectors coming loose inside the boot. Tightened them up and put a little thread locker on the bolts and haven't had an issue since. Opted for the 2400 over the 2400h because I wanted to have the ability to slip the clutch while occasionally operating the engine at a higher revolution. I'm extremely happy with the equipment and have probably abused it more than I should, but it's always been able to handle the task at hand.
Just a few years ago, the only option for an affordable tractor was the Chinese Jinma or Foton brands. Not super well made and little to no dealer support. The Korean brands are head and shoulders above those in terms of quality, features, and reliability. Even up here in tiny Massachusetts, there are tractor dealers everywhere. In less than an hour's drive from my house there are 3 TYM dealers, 2 LS dealers, and a Kioti dealer. Recently, the Runnings store about 30 minutes away started selling Summit tractors. There's also 3 Mahindra dealers, 3 Kubota dealers, and 2 JD dealers. These dealers have all been around for years, even decades. Many of them previously sold other brands, but they are not new dealers trying to make a quick buck. Almost forgot, there's also a Massey Ferguson dealer nearby. MY tractor!
My LS MT 122 Subcompact Tractor has a Yanmar engine. Got it with a backhoe, box blade, finish mower and rake. Got the set up from Knox Tractor in Tomball Texas. Great folks. Perfect for my small 5 acre homestead.
I had 3 Kubotas, was really excited to see the new LX3520su cab. Saw the MSRP and fell out of my chair. Picked up a CK2620se cab for 6,000 cheaper. NO HST whine and the loader is very stout. Just have to keep an eye on some bolt torque every now and then.
Overall I like my TYM. A few issues - yes the hydrostatic shift lever broke. Engineering flaw. It is drilled out over half its diameter for a bolt thread making it weaker than it looks. Also the hydraulic fluid filter only clears the back hoe bracket by about 1 inch, very easy to damage when hooking up. Local dealers are bush league so I have to take it 150 miles for service.
Similar to the Korean tractors, Yanmar (Japanese) doesn’t get the street cred they deserve. They supply engines to half the tractor brands out there and build a high quality tractor with a very advanced transmission (iHMT). Plus they built all the JD compact tractors for 30 years and still provide all their engines. Now TYM and Yanmar are pertnering on a new Yanmar branded tractor.
about a decade ago they entered into a partnership with cub cadet and in a fairly short time they pulled out of the deal and left the dealers and owners high and dry...
I bought 2 LS tractors , a 2010 3010s and a 2017 xg3025 new. The 2017 has paid for itself digging sewer lines etc. Over 200 hrs. on it. I have had two problems total, a emergency light switch on the 2010 , cost $35.00, a spring on the 2017 backhoe saftey lever 99cents at tractor supply. Great tractors.
I've owned a TYM t234 tractor for around 6 years, it's got almost 600 hours on it, I bush hog on the side and it has always been a good tractor, would definitely buy another TYM tractor.
Glad you gave a good review for LS. I have owned them for over ten years, starting with a 40hp and now using a 73hp. My dealership, Diamond R, in mid-Missouri, has been outstanding and I have no hesitation recommending LS tractors. Their largest tractor that I've seen is 100 hp.
I looked at them all, test drive most and bought a TYM T474 and love it. I felt that my money was getting me more and the build quality is top notch. So far, I’ll buy another TYM if I wear this one out. My ONLY complaint is the owners manual.
I agree! I just completed the 50 hour break-in service for my TYM474. The manual is not only confusing… it’s incorrect in several places. My favorite part of the service instructions is describing how to clean the metal-mesh hydraulic filter near the frame rail. It’s only one or two sentences and doesn’t mention it’s impossible to do without disassembling half of your frame. RUclips videos helped but they are all going off of the same crappy manual and having the same problems as me! I love my tractor and would like to make sure I maintain it properly. A Chilton type manual would be worth its weight in gold for us TYM folks. If someone knows of such a thing, please, drop a link!
I bought my Kubota L3800 HST in 2013 and i currently have about 300 hours on it. I like it as it has done almost everything I have asked it to do. The only complaint is the loader lifting capacity. It can only lift about 1,000 pounds and similar models for Mahindra, TYM and just about any other is 1.5 - 2 times the amount of lifting capacity of the L3800. Other than that, i love it and i do like the 3 range selector for the hydro.
@@tobywilliams4614 not necessarily. The B series is 4k less than Massey for the same tractor, only 1k more than kioti, and 2k more than LS. LS doesn’t have any dealers near, and Kioti is 35 miles away. Kubota is 20. For the little bit more it is it’s worth it to me.
@@dontump2286 Yeah, the nearest one to me doubles as a mechanic shop and no number is reachable. The closest is over an hour away and were helpful, but the LS website differs from how the dealers do things with rebates, interest rates, things like that. I think it’s just too small of a company yet.
200 hours on my Kioti CK2610 Hydro tractor over the last couple of years. I absolutely love it. It's used hard for logging with a grapple. 50% more hydro and loader capacity over a comparable 25hp Kubota. the Kioti is very well-built, reliable, capable, and hard-working utility tractor! I previously had a 1980's Yanmar tractor that was also great.
I have the exact same tractor behind you, but as a Mahindra. The engine plate does indeed show it's a TYM. Something for folks to watch for when buying. (Some know, some don't.) It's a 2013 6110, and I've been happy with it. I've beaten it up, brushhogging along (and sometimes into) my treeline, but "it takes a licking and keeps on ticking".
Great video. I bought a 50HP LS . 3 years old 330 hrs. Only a few small issues but other than love it and my dealer! Got way more options on it for way less than the Kubota or JD! I’d buy another any day
Great video Hank. I have a TYM, Mahindra, Branson dealer in my town in Northern California. I transport Equipment and haven had a chance to move a piece of their inventory but because of your background with the equipment I have faith in the product. Keep up the great videos and thanks for my sticker on your tool box
Shopping for tractors and was looking at JD and Kubota, only! Then I ran into Kioti and I'm blown away by the features and value for the $$$. Thank you for validating that. Great video buddy!
I bought a new Kubota in 2011, and the only thing I have done is a new battery after ten years in the Northeast. It's held its value, and I am amazed at how tough it is. It's definitely going to be inherited by the next generation. I read on a forum somewhere about a newer brand that I thought was Chinese and his red tractor had faded to pink, and it had multiple problems. As for Korean, I bought my daughter a Hyundai new years ago and the brake pads were defective and depositing a thick layer on the rotors which raised hell. The dealer said they just machine off the layer occasionally. Hyundai denied the problem so I put new brakes on a new car. That coupled with the fact that I have had numerous Korean interns over the years, and they were the only ones who offered me expensive "gifts" that I had to refuse. I trust the Japanese culture, overpopulated with engineers, a lot more. I'd cough up the difference in a heartbeat to buy another Kubota, but never will have to. Best purchase I ever made.
I purchased a Yanmar 324 earlier this year that I am very happy with. But I will say my local dealer recently got in the Bad Boy line of tractors and it is one beefy tractor. Everything on it is beefier then my Yanmar. I was very impressed.
Tee Totally Agree with you Hank. The very first 4x4 John Deere subcompact tractor I bought was 25 years old when I bought it. Good little tractor. In 2018 i bought a brand new 3 Series J.Deere. It was the worst tractor I ever owned. Traded it in for a used New Holland. Color really don't matter much anymore.
I remember me and you chatted about them when you were going around to dealerships a few years ago showing them. My Kioti is still holding up well. Granted, I don't use it every day but it has held up nicely.
Good stuff. I bought a 2016 Kubota BX2670 with Landpride belly mower, loader, 3 point snowblower, rototiller. The Kubota and JD dealers are within 10 miles. I choose Kubota over JD only because there was a financing bundling deal. I would have bought any of the other brands if the dealers were closer and the deal was right. The New Holland, Mahindra and Massey dealers were all within $500 of the Kubota and JD but the dealers were too far away to make it worth it.
Hank, a few years ago I bought a used 2005 Branson 3510 i open cab 4x4 tractor i was a first time buyer. This tractor only had 385 hours on it. That being said I done the first filter and oil changes on it. It's one of those buyer beware type of deals. I bought it from a Mahindra dealership. Sure I've had my share of issues with it. But I've put this little tractor through hell and back. It's out preformed a 40 horsepower Kubota a neighbor has. It will out lift what the competitors have in It's class. It's got the little 3 cylinder Cummings engine. And it's just been a bulletproof little tractor. The only problem I have is the nearest TYM- Branson dealership is 3 hours away. I have to order parts then have them shipped to me. 2-3 day delay. But yes I'm very proud of my Branson tractor !
Nice video, Hank. There are many good tractor manufacturers. I can't think of a single manufacturer that produces poor quality tractors. The only repairs I've done to my 2010 Massey GC2610 were damages I've done. Thanks for sharing! - Rick
Grew up kinda green although my dad always wanted an 8n and that was the first used tractor I bought. I needed more, so around 40 years ago I bought a JD 2150. At the time there was only one tractor under 100hp manufactured domestically and it wasn't Green. There was a light weight green Yanmar and my 2150 was made in Manheim Germany. I need to replace my 2150 because I need an intermediate step in old age and I need a front blade, a cab and a heater in the winter because I am old. I have been looking at TYM for 10 or 12 years now and they have really upped their game. I see a t494 or a t574 in my future. Oh, one final point on my 40 year ago purchase. That one domestic tractor under 100 hp tractor was a Massey, at the time a Canadian company.
I looked for about 3 years also. Settled on an RK25; all the features i needed plus. It has performed flawlessly. I got it during cough19. Ordered a 3rd function kit, and months went by. They could not get the kit. So i cancelled that and trailered it to a John Deere dealer, and had them cobble together lines from FEL to rear power beyond; it cost as much as the OEM option. About a year after, i was able to get the OEM third function. So now i have both the momentary push button, and a bidirectional circuit on the FEL. Something to note- I called 2 different TYM dealerships to try to get the 3rd function. It’s the same tractor as their T25. In both cases, they never called me back with availability. That says to me something important about TYM and their customer support. I don’t support businesses that do that to their customers. RK has been ok to deal with; not stellar, not bad. At least they communicate effectively.
Almost bought a kioti but the dealer kept dragging me around. Ended up going with massey and I'm more than happy with my choice and in the 3 years I've owned it I've been in both Facebook groups. 1 observation has been that the kioti page is always posting broken steel. From cylinders to and to frames and buckets. The massey group is most often projects done and accessories added. When i go bigger I'll be staying with massey.
Good video! I took over my grandfathers farm when he passed, and I’ve been looking for a tractor to do what I need. We’ve got 50 acres combined. All hay fields and cattle pasture. I’ve been trying to figure out which brand would be the best for “eventually” take care of my own hay fields. (A neighbor has done it for us for 20+ years since my grandfather never had the opportunity to do it all himself) So I’ve been trying to decide what to get to maintain the road, bush hog, move hay bales and disc the garden. This video was very informative! Good watch!
My grandpa paid cash for his 70 hp kioti, they dropped it off and the driver took the check back to the dealer.. a couple years later the motor blew due to manufacturing problems... not under warranty. My grandpa told them out the new motor in. He asked them to deliver it to his farm and they wouldn’t deliver it until he paid for the repairs first.... it’s very obvious they knew it should’ve been under warranty. You get what you pay for. The kioti was cheaper but you don’t have the same service in my opinion.
Good video. I have a 26 year old Deere but when I decide to purchase another tractor eight years ago, JD was way to expensive so I looked at LS and bought one. After a few years I wanted a cab tractor and traded up to a Bad Boy. Both the LS and the Bad Boy had NO issues. Now, I want a larger tractor and have put a deposit on a 574 TYM. Just waiting for it to arrive!
Your excacty right Hank , I wasnt price shopping for a compact tractor at all i was going to buy what i needed , After going blind on youtube lol and looking at all the brands i was sold on the RK25 but wanted a TYM but no dealers around here in Ohio , There is no more options on RK tractors the other dealers green and orange wanted some big bucks to add them and thats what did it for me , Good warranty and we have a good RK service dept to boot , Only have a 100 hours on it i know others have lots more , Good video !
Thanks for another great video. It was interesting and enjoyable. Tough subject here. Everyone looks at buying equipment differently. It is amazing how big our equipment market is now. Research is the key. Know what you are looking at and go from there. Thanks Hank for your video. The Iowa Farm Boy.
I have a TYM474 HST with a Cab. Best investment I've made. It's small enough to not be too much for 23 acres and powerful enough to do all the work I pile on it with no problems. I have had a few issues but the warranty and service from Jordan's Sales and Service of Postfalls ID is top notch.
Hank, I have found most name brands tractors are pretty equal in ability and durability. However, no matter which tractor you buy you had better buy from a dealer that will take care of you. In some ways that more important than the tractor.
Love the review, i have the Cab TYM474 HST and have not had a single issue whatsoever, have Grapple, backhoe, box glade, auger, and mower, everything functions great with this machine, I service it well, that is the ticket, two really good dealers in Southern tier NY who are both very good and helpful and carry all service parts needed. Comparable equipment with Kubota and JD when I was shopping couldn’t come close, my dollars went much further with TYM.
Let me make it real easy... south korea is america in the 50's... strong work force who give a damn. And heres a tip... those korean engineers who do the design probly went to school in north america specificly in the mid-west. The big american names have been exploiting this fact for years! I used to work for a korean robotics company... i was the only american amd honestly i would trust stuff built by them vs stuff built by the current american generation
I worked for a South Korean Company for many years. We provided specialised equipment originally made in Netherlands. After a few years of the Korean company using our equipment, the Koreans started copying it, to our amazement the quality and functional improvements were very good indeed. The only problem I would have with the Koreans is they do tend to take short cuts, especially in heavy duty welding.
Great info. I bought a new kioti ck20 in 2007 (2006 model). I worked that machine hard af, especially in 2020 when we bought new property. I didn't take care of it as good as I should've. I paid $11,900 brand new. Ended up having a hydrostat issue in 2013. Lost all pressure all of a sudden. I split the tractor apart and found the gearotor was broken in pieces. Couldn't get that part from Kioti. They offered a complete transmission for $5000. Ended up getting ahold of daedong in South Korea and he got me the new part shipped to me in 5 days! Had to machine the thickness down and modify the housing a little but got it going. Then in 2020, it started using/blowing by oil. Broke a piston ring and piston ring groove. Honed cylinder and installed new piston and rings. Fixed it right up. All my fault for not maintaining it as often as I should've. Ended up selling it for $7500 and I know I could've gotten a lot more after I sold it. I'm buying a new tractor soon. Not sure what brand, but it's between another Kioti, RK or TYM.
We have a ck 30 kioti with 4000 hours beat the crap out of run like a top we love it very little problem with it mostly wearing things out it was some of the frist once in this area
I bought a LS MT357HC about 2 months ago. Its my first tractor, but I love everything about it. Only complaint I have is the hydraulic flow rate is a little low and spins my loader mounted auger pretty slow, but works. Regarding their sizing, the 3 series I have is their most powerful compact tractor at 57hp, the 4-7 series are utility tractors and they don't offer them in a hydrostat. That said, in 4wd and the diff locked, I can easily spin the tires in low gear and only have the engine down at 1800 RPM.
@@GMC-qo9xi I still think the tractor is great. I primarily have a bunch of buried rocks, varying from football to semi truck tire in size. I have no regrets in options, as I think it's only available fully optioned? I'm extremely happy with the hydrostatic transmission and happy it came with 4x4 and the rear locking diff. I installed the OEM 3rd function to run a rock grapple and loader mounted auger, which the auger rotates pretty slow, but no issues for personal work. The 57 hp is entirely unnecessary and the tractor will effortlessly start spinning its tires in low range if you try to push an immovable rock. The 352 (I believe) and 357 have Cat 2 3 point setups, which may or may not be what you want. For me, all my implements are Cat 1, except a rock wheel trencher I ordered should arrive in a week, in which case I'm very happy I went with the Cat 2 and 57 hp setup.
@@GMC-qo9xi I will note, if you're using the loader anywhere near capacity, fill the rear tires with ballast. Before I did, a few of the rocks I moved got pretty scary with nearly no weight holding the back tires on the ground. Even with the added ballast, there's times where the rear feels a little light and I will look into getting more weight on the back. I might have to drain the tires if we get a hard freeze (since I just used water), but it doesn't often freeze that hard where I'm at.
@@thooper4380 Thanks for the overview. I ordered the 57 hp for the pto power, which i think may be the only time when it can present a difference. So my wood chipper should be able to better handle the larger diameters. And then i figured if i ever do hay for my in-laws with it, i can probably run their baler with the extra hp. I also got the 3rd function on front as well as a 3rd hydro line at the back to operate a hydraulic top link which can be helpful for using the back blade in certain cases and inverted snow blower in other cases… and in general to adjust the angle of whatever you put on there, including my wood chipper. And i also asked for LED lights instead of the halogens and other basic things like a cutting edge/stiffener for the loader bucket, and interior rear view mirror, etc… which are not necessarily options from the manufacturer, but from the dealer (upon request). The one thing I’m unaware of is the difference between the cat 1 and 2, so i appreciate you pointing it out so i can make sure my dealer can offer whatever solution. Pretty sure my wood chipper can go on either one, but I’m not sure what the issue is yet.
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As a heavy diesel mechanic that moved from construction equipment to ag years ago I have worked for a kubota dealer, kioti dealer, and even a dealer that sold landini and Duetz fahr. There was lemons every once and awhile with every brand. but across the board it really ended up being who owned it. A good owner could keep a tin tractor running for year.
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I bought my branson 3510 from a local dealer in north central fl in 2005. Compared to a equally powered JD or Kubota, the branson had 600 more pounds of lift from the loader, the axles were almost twice the size and the initial cost was obviously the main consideration. The branson was also heavier. After 1500 hours I had to repack the curl cylinders but that loader has had a bunch of heavy lifting and digging. Other than that, I hung a huge vine on the fill neck of the fuel tank and kept on mowing until I smelled diesel fuel. I had ripped the fill neck and the entire corner of the fuel tank out. I was well out of warranty but I called Branson headquarters and they shipped me a redesigned fuel tank, free of charge. I have operated many john deere tractors over my lifetime but the thing I can't get past is the cost of simple items and consumables. I paid $13.00 one time for a single, small o-ring. What a friggin scam.
Quite a few years ago , I had a customer stop by with a brand new JD exhaust pipe- he asked if I could replicate it- only 2 bends, yeah, no problem.
He had me make one- tried it, then had me make 3 more . He asked me how much- I figured it cost me $12 to make for all 4- so I charged him $20
He started cussing, ranting and raving- I thought he was thinking I was screwing him over- told him I could come down a little bit. He said " Dave, I'm not mad at you, I paid $54 for a pipe you made 4 of for $20......."
That’s my biggest problem with John Deere and also Caterpillar. Every single little thing is grotesquely overpriced. You feel like Leroy had his way with you in prison. Keep your John D. all John Deere green with only genuine John Deere parts. Yeah right, so I can pay for the tractor 4 times over it’s lifespan! Then someone will look at you for buying a generic grade five 1/4 inch bolt that holds down a light bar bracket and try to tell you it’s not going to last or , you know you’re not going to be happy with it and you’re just gonna end up buying the “real “ one from John Deere down the road. While you’re screaming inside it’s just a 1/4 inch bolt for Pete’s sake!
JD is the Harley-Davidson of the tractor world.
So you admit to breaking your equipment from poor operation and then screwing the supplier by asking for free replacement parts. You sir are the reason why the local tractor suppliers are cut throat because they deal with a lot of entitled customers like yourself. If enough people did what you did the Branson company would have to increase their prices higher.
@@williamjohnston580 Jump to conclusions much? Good grief. First off, tell me what I did that was poor operation. Second, I called Branson to order a new tank, expecting to pay full price, was honest and told them how I broke it. They offered to ship me a replacement for free. I did not ask for that or complain I just thanked them for great customer service. That was my whole point.
You sir, need to take a reading comprehension refresher course. If enough people would pay more attention to what they are reading in YT comments there wouldn't be a bunch of argumentative comments going back and forth.
TYM 574 owner. In the first 10 minutes of using the PTO it burned up the soleniod and shorted out the safety control relay. The loader control handle broke off at the threads. TYM bailed on me on the warranty when I tried to get my dealer to fix it, he did give me a new solenoid but told me the control relay was not available. I had to bypass the safety control relay and run a new switch for my PTO. 6 year warranty sounds great until you try to actually redeem it. The rest of the tractor seems okay after 300 hours.
My father had a kioti, we put thousands of hours on that tractor it didn’t live a easy life in a field it dragged logs and moved dirt it’s whole life and it never had a single issue. Never replaced anything other than hoses and tires.
I've had my Kioti CK3510 for 4 years, put 450 hours on it and only had one issue with a banjo hydraulic fitting for the transmission where the O-ring inside split three times before I finally got a better quality O-ring. But other then that the build quality and engine are impeccable, I thought I'd have a problem with the DPF stuff but it does re-gens when it needs to and I've had nothing but good to say about my Kioti.
I worked for new Holland and yeah sure the "over seas" brands are cheap and may last a bit but it was a pain getting parts, a brand new tractor of any kind will do a good job for 2-4 yrs depending on the work load but in my experience being a farmer and mechanic the parts for foreign tractors are cheap and hard to get cause their far and few between finding a dealership for parts, a dealer doesn't sell the parts they sell the tractor, so good luck getting parts that matter, a hydraulic line isn't a part, tractor supply has that..
In the Marine Corps, we were taught human practical application dictates how effective our weapon systems are. Do more with less, etc., etc. Same thing applies here. Your equipment, if kept in good working condition dictates your use and also abuse. I appreciate videos like this for the reality. Good stuff!
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I'm glad you like LS. I worked for them for a bit and thought they were solid. Big thing for me when looking at tractors is the weld quality as the engines, hydraulics, and transmissions are commodity items, what differentiates them is how well designed and put together they are. And no Chinese steel.
Enjoyed the video! Thanks for not doing anything janky. It was beneficial just watching you stand in front of the tractor and talking to us. I appreciate not having the distractions. Well done sir!
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Someone once told me that statistically, you're much more likely to catch buyer's remorse if you go with either the cheapest or the most expensive. That probably holds for tractors too. I've definitely experienced it with implements.
I lived in Korea for over a year. I have zero reservations about buying anything Korean made. Those people take some serious pride in their work and their products, especially in machinery and technology.
One of the things taught early in my business degree classes was "a happy customer will tell their family and friends, an unhappy customer will tell everyone they come across".
One of the biggest concerns about non-JD/Kubota tractors is proximity to dealers, and warranty support for some of the rebadges like Summit and RK.
Your remark is soooo true. The last GM and Chrysler trucks I bought were Junk and I went out of my way to share my displeasure.
I bought a 55 Hp RK the only problem I have had is the freon was low, They came to my farm checked and repaired it at no costs, If I was to buy another one it would be the 74 horse.
Spent the day today brush mowing with my TYM T394 Cab model. Just cleared the 200 hour mark and so far it’s been very solid. I did however experience a manufacturers defect with the fuel tank and had to replace it which they did not cover unfortunately. Obviously there’s always things a person would like to have or things you wished they had but for $10,000 less than the comparable model in a Green tractor I am very pleased so far.
Great video Hank. My previous experience with tractors, when my wife and I raised horses in Florida, was an older model Ford 3000 diesel. It was a great tractor and definitely did the job we needed it for. We relocated to North Carolina about 12 years ago. About three years ago we purchased a Kioti CS-2510 sub compact tractor with front end loader, box blade, scrape blade, and a 4-foot brush hog. It is definitely an amazing tractor that does everything we need on our 6 acres. Additionally, it is a very tough tractor with excellent quality.
I have been thinking about buying a CS2210/CS2220. The ONLY thing I am concerned with is they have the lowest ground clearance. Has this been an issue for you? I have 3 acres half forest and slopes
@@TheAussieincalgary I bought a CS2220 a little over a year ago, and only have a few minor complaints. The lights mounted on the rollbar have both been hit on trees and broke, but there are holes to mount them behind the seat which will protect them better. I also had a seal go out on the belly mower gear box, which was out of warranty (1 year on attachments). Other than that, it has done everything I would expect of it. I have recommended it to others and will continue to. BTW, I know a bit about machines, been a heavy equipment tech for over 20 years and now teach Diesel and heavy equipment repair.
@billsmithingell7902 Cool, I do like them.
I did my apprenticeship on a city (dozens, graders, city garden machines, to small engines etc) 41 years so far . I'm currently dealership riff-raff cars, diesel, EV ( & fixing all the stuffups by the others).
Have you seen anyone replace a Hemi for the newer CUMMINS R3.8? I know the R2.8 is becoming popular in Jeeps. But my 09 1500 is getting tired (already replaced cam & lifters) Thought about doing a full rebuild but prices are getting stupid.
Thanks for this video. I was always a green owner but needed a new tractor this spring with a backhoe attachment and bought a Kioti 3520. Have 120 hours on it already and am convinced that this is a great tractor. I had a minor problem on day one that was easily fixed and it has been perfect ever since. KIOTI is my go to brand from this point on. I LOVE IT.
They are nice tractors for sure!
I've had my TYM T474 Cab for two years, so far it has been great! I drove 6 hours to Phoenix, Team Tractor's to get mine. My only 2 pet peeves are, the fuel tank I would like more capacity, only 6 gallons. And the 3 point control is just a handle, no stop point gage.
We are on our third S. Korean built car. Zero problems. I only have 20 hrs. on my Kioti CS2520, but have had no issues and am absolutely amazed at what this tractor is capable of. First weekend, I pulled 19 stumps from the property line and 9 cemented in 4x4 fence posts. Every day, I find a new use for the FEL. I use the drive over MMM deck and it does a great job. One thing that impressed me with the Kioti was the cast ferrous metal drive line. The major brands use either aluminum or "pot metal" for their drive lines. What steered me to the Kioti was a dealer that sell both the Kioti and the LS. They sold their LS for their scaled down farm (they are in their 70's) and bought a Kioti because they felt it was better built. That steered me away from the New Holland, because they are built by LS. Not to mention, the dealer that is less that a quarter mile away only had SCUT's with cabs.
I love my Kioti, as well as my third Kia automobile.
I studied on my tractor purchase and dreamed for about 3 years before finances would allow me to purchase. I finally pulled the trigger and got a massey ferguson 1825e with the backhoe and third function. I have not been dissappointed. Regardless of the brand you go with, get the size tractor you need and buy from a dealer you can trust to be available to you after the sale for service and repairs.
Where is your particular MF produced? Depending on the model it could have come from Turkey or Chek republic or France or Italy or Belgium!!!!!
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I was fine with my TYM until I needed parts outside of routine maintenance items. So I bought a LS tractor and found out quick local area dealers significantly over charge for parts. So now I buy my parts from New Holland since my LS is the same as a particular new Holland. I'd go back to TYM if I had the opportunity to.
I saved about $20000 on my Kioti and it came with lots mores bells and whistles including extra front and rear remote hydraulics at no extra costs. The frame is beefier and lubrication points more accessible. Lifts more weight with the loader and the turn ratio is way better. I sold my Kubota non cab tractor and got a Kiotio cab tractor for the same price. Love my dealer, also. Made out of metal unlike the cheap Plastic JDs. I test drove one, but they seem cheap built and take a half acre to turn around compared to my Kioti.
Ck2620 is very low hours, but has moved everything I bought it to move. Lost a bunch of trees in storms earlier this year, right after I bought the place. As my lot is heavily wooded, renting would just be a waste of money. Neighbor is never met drove by while it was dark, and saw me in driveway stuck behind trees. He offered a lift to find somewhere with power for a cup of joe, and offered to help with his tractor.
After seeing it lift the 10 ft remains of 100ft pine I’d chainsaws, driving on the front wheels, rears in The air, I was sold. Tree company dropped my red cedar by mistake, and it was so long I couldn’t make it down driveway. I was able to pick it up and drop it over the fence, then grab from other side to move to drying area. Lift capacity is ridiculous, and weight with backhoe means it will move whatever I feel needs moving. Kioti wins, period.
For me, Access to a dealer, spare parts availability, and long term support are the characteristics that lead me to narrow my search to two Brands, John Deer and Kubota. I ended up with a Kubota and don't regret it.
My Branson 4720i is 17 years old, I bought it brand new in 2006 and have very minimal issues, the only down side is part’s availability. None near me. The tractor is very strong.
I have a Kioti NX5010. Put 1K hours on it in 2 years. Built a long driveway and cleaned up multiple mobile homes and travel trailers on an abandoned farm we bought. As well as clearing pastures, trails, etc. Just like you, a lot of things that were self inflicted. It happens when you're trying to get things done. A few issues that have cropped up were the main hydro valve would kick it out of 4wd, and always at the worst possible time. The local dealership refused to work on it because I didn't purchase it from them. But they've since lost the brand, which they never deserved to have to begin with. The dealership I purchased the tractor from went above and beyond to get it taken care of. Now dealing with 3pt lift cylinders that are leaking pretty bad, and unfortunately they don't appear to be DIY repackable. My only complaint/peeve is parts are not readily available. But the tractor has done everything I've asked it to. I'd buy another Kioti.
We have a kioty with the small 3 cylinder diesel (I can't remember the model) but that little thing is a work horse! I would buy another kioty also.
Grew up with Ford farm tractors and most of the farmers around us had JDs in the 70s. Fast forward to the past 15 years and all I have had are Kubota. They have served me well and had no major breakdowns in 1500 hrs of use. If I was buying new today, it would be hard to ignore a TYM at more than $10K less than a comparable Kubota. My preference would be to switch to JD, but they are even more expensive than Kubota. Lots of things to think about as we consider our next tractor upgrade.
For sure. You can't get a bad one in my opinion. They all are pretty solid options.
Don't buy John Deere. Their quality has gone to shit and you will pay like you have never experienced before to fix it.
Hank, you are absolutely right. I did research for 3 years before I bought my tractor. Looked at all the brands and road out to dealers and test drove all of them. I decided the best for my needs and money was my 2012 LS 38 hp. Very happy with it. Also the dealer is only 50 miles away which really helps. Thanks for the info keep up the good work.
Your buddy Tony recommended the T264 to me and I could not be happier. Great tractor. I'm a first time tractor owner but fortunately I have some (well maybe some) common sense gained from a career in the military that reminds me that maintenance is key. That's why I'm glad for channels like Tony's and yours putting out relevant information to lesson the learning curve. Good Luck.
I bought a used kioti ck35 used with just over 200hrs. I kept the tractor for over 10 years of abuse by me. The only thing I had to do is replace the synchronizers in the shuttle shift transmission after 1500hrs sold it for $1000 less that what I purchased it for. Great tractors!
We have a 2022 Mahindra 6065 and a 2006 Mahindra 3505. One of the reasons we bought the 6065 was because of how well the 3505 has been for us. The other reason was no DEF or Regen.There are always bugs to work out with any new piece of equipment, but the 6065 has been great so far. We got a package with an American made bush hog and grapple. We have ran across quite a few quality control issues with those. We have seen loose bolts, loose hydraulic connections, and stuff like that. I haven't seen those issues with Mahindra yet.
I love my Mahindra 2638! I added a third function to the front and am getting ready to add a hydraulic remote to the back for a Hydraulic top link.
I’m also a Mahindra owner, I have a 1626 because I needed a small tractor that would fit in the small stalls of a goat barn, but also needed a machine that could handle 1300 lbs hay rolls. This little Mahindra is a darn mule! I bought it new in 2020 and I’ve only had to replace a few items that I damaged because of not paying attention. As far as wear n tear….nothing is worn out or broken. I’ve owned or operated literally hundreds of machines throughout my lifetime….and if I had the opportunity to purchase another tractor (or to have one given to me free of charge) I’d definitely get another Mahindra! This 1626 has out lifted my brothers Kubota L3901 and my brother-in-laws John Deere (39hp), and it’s out lifted them by several hundred pounds. Mahindra certainly makes a VERY tough and capable tractor, anyone who doesn’t give them a look when they’re tractor shopping is making a huge mistake.
I have recently moved onto our farm, which is a large parcel of land, so it’s time to start preparing for another tractor purchase. I’ve got to get a machine in the 60hp to 90hp range to handle the land clearing that I’ve got to get done. I have no plans on trading my 1626 in on the new tractor, I’ll be keeping it and using it until the day the Lord brings me home…..
In my opinion, based on my real world experience with other tractor manufacturers, Mahindra is definitely a top contender in the world of reliable and powerful tractors. Not to mention that the 25hp Mahindra 1626 outweighs almost every other brands 40hp tractors…..if you’re going to be doing work such as plowing, grading, discing, or any other work that requires ground engagement…you definitely don’t want a light weight tractor or else you’re going to have constant issues with traction.
Mahindra is definitely my number one choice!
@@StandingGoatsRescue, I now have over 200 hours on my Mahindra since I last posted and it is still going strong with no issues. I know 200 isn't much, but is is still a new tractor. We will see if it lasts as long as out 3505 Mahindra.
I bought a new john deere 3 series back in 2018 and it was the same with that tractor. Loose bolts on the loader and a few other random places and loose hydraulic hoses so those problems aren't unique to cheaper brands. My next machine will probably be a tym.
I did a lot of research before getting my TYM. We run new Holland Equipment (can't stand the JD high prices) and heard a lot of people complain about the lower HP NH tractors. In fact, nearly all the lower end HP tractors from all companies were made overseas, including JD which was made in mexico or India.
The ONLY complain I have on my TYM 574, is the clutch is REALLY HARD to depress, which means my son cannot drive it. We may end up switchign to a hydrostat later, but the guys at TYM suggested the manual since we'd also use it for field work from time to time.
But wow, it's a work horse! It can run all day at full throttle and not get tired.
We love our RK 37 / TYM we bought in 2021 for our ten acre horse farm here in NC. No issues, did the 50 hour service myself. Best value we found for the money.
A buddy of mine recently bought a Kubota tractor, a fairly large one. He did a lot of research about tractors before he bought it and he decided on a Kubota. He is very well pleased that he did, even though he knew he could save quite a bit of money if he bought some other brand.
I have a Mahindra 2638 HST Cab (built by TYM in South Korea) and it's been flawless other than a fuel gauge sender needing replacement out of warranty ($85 part). Over 500 hours now, zero issues. Just annual maintenance and filters.
Bought an RK25 in March of this year, no issues at all, a very well built size tractor for the small 5 acre lot I have, easy to maneuver in tight areas, can't beat the price for a sub compact
Tidbit; Daedong/ Kioti also owns Bobcat, and the Bobcat tractors are the same as the kioti, just different paint.
I have a Dk 4710 SE and l absolutly love it, coldest ever A/C in the summer and super heat in the winter blowing snow. Great power and lift with zero issues. Simple antipollution regen sytem. Rear lift super strong well built.
Good on fuel too.
"Every brand has it's problems" thank you for saying that! You're absolutely right, no one praises things when it works right, but the second something goes wrong.
I have been looking at tractors for the last year in the compact range, I think I have settled on getting me a Kioti CX2510!
Nice tractor
I have a Kiote 3510. The little mule just doesn’t quit! Besides general maintenance and a lost front axle drain bolt, it has been trouble free over seven hundred hours of hard work.
I'm about to do my 300 hour service on a LS MT357HC. Almost all of those hours were spent pulling stumps, lifting logs, and digging out forested ground. Been great so far, I haven't had a problem with it.
A word of advive from a professional farmer ; if you want to do anything involving tree stumps, call your local plant hire company. Trees have roots specially designed to stop the tree keeling over. Much cheaper to pay a backhoe machine to dig them up than to break your tractor trying to pull them down
Most of my concern isn’t so much with build quality, even though I’ll admit it’s a determining factor when I look at a tractor regardless of manufacturer, it’s the availability of parts and serviceability.
So far so good. My LS MT342HC with 140 hours no problem. Air will freeze you out on a 93 degree day with 87% humidity today. Filling in a culvert had a 27 ft long 48 inch pipe in a ditch 12 ft deep, 34 ft wide at the top. Must have moved 150 yds of clay to fill it in. Ran like a top. So yes, I'm happy I bought an LS. Last winter had a hell of a snow storm. Spent 5 hours moving snow. With no coat on. Heat worsk well. And when I bought it the Kubota was 14 thousand more for comparable tractor with fewer features and the Deere was 16K more with fewer features.
Wait to see if you can get 8000 Hrs on it. I’ve got JD with 12000 hr 4000 hr 6500 hr and low hr JD. of course they are real ag tractors getting worked every day
Value! I am Looking hard at LS right now. Thanks for info
I am an old engineer who still researches stuff to death to get it right. Wow! Could have saved time by watching this video.
I am very impressed by your knowledge, unlike some who make videos no matter what they know.
Seems like you are a straight shooter, as well. Appreciate it.
Thanks Hank! I really love the way you approach your comparisons between brands. You present the facts without bashing one brand over another. Good stuff!
Thank you.
The Problem with South Korean tractor were the ones built durring the South Korean Sunshine Policies, where they made parts in North Korea. When the Sunshine Policies collapsed you couldn't get the parts for those tractors and were stuck with useless lawn Ornaments.
The current ones are much better though the service from what I have seen isn't the same as Deere, and IH, or New Holand.
The TYM and others don't have incorporated GPS. For spraying.
@@carrollsanders9376 This is nothing new- I recall back to the late 80's- early 90's when a lot of Eastern European stuff came over. Remember a customer had a rebadged Zetor tractor. Need brake parts for it- but since it was built, Czechoslovakia broke up into 2 countries, and each separate company in each country said to contact the other for parts!
BTW-, we eventually figured out a USA equivalent - as I recall parts from a 58 Studebaker truck were the right size.....
GOOD INFO, I'm a JD owner but now looking at a smaller tractor and been checking out LS, your pod cast has good info, we have a LS dealer near by and give about same info you have given, Thanks for your program, Gary Tugwell Dew,Tx
I agree with the info you are giving. I was stationed in South Korea 3 times and saw the change in what they produced. The tractor evolution mirrors the car evolution. I saw the Daedong tractors on a regular basis, basic but they worked the rice fields. If you compare the Hundai/Kia cars evolution it matches. When they started to bring product to the US they had to upgrade/update. It was not overnite but they are a getting far closer to being a direct competitor to the other green & orange stuff. The area where they need to upgrade is the dealer network. When someone compares it to the green & orange, having to drive a maybe significant distance to a dealer is a drawback when they may have multiple green & orange dealers within a short distance.
Right on
Nothing says Korea like a Daedong one eyed water buffalo. They are getting rarer though. Lots of smaller cabbed tractors (LS, TYM, and Daedung, occasionally John Deere) there now (actually “here” for me as I am in Seoul now though no longer wear a green suit).
I’d buy a Kioti in the states but the closest stocking dealer is a couple hundred miles away whereas I have Kubota 15 and 35 miles away. (And John Deere seven miles and Massey 12 miles).
I get what you're saying with the TYM trackers but why are there so many for sale with not many hours on them...
Stationed at Kunsan AFB, Korea 95'-96'.......really like my Kioti CK2610....so far, been really happy with tractor and reliable.
I can’t talk about the Korean tractors but I Can about Kubota. I’ve worked Kubota tractors harder than any body should and they have been great, extremely reliable and durable!
Me as well.
I torture my Kubota almost everyday..
Not one issue for 12 yrs
Yes Kubota is about the best
My Kubota BX is close to 20 years old and I have never had a problem. I love it!
Kubotas can't be killed
Not to bash kubota but they don't compare to the mahindra in lifting power, lifting weight or height. The hydraulics are slightly faster but not as strong.
I love a good discussion, and Hank, this one has certainly sparked a good bit of discussion. I've farmed for many many years, started in the mid 90's with a couple of international 574, 674, and a newer 685 series. They were solid old beasts, old when I got them, but served me well. Then...in 08, I really needed something a little smaller, with a FEL and 4wd. I ran across a deal on a Mahindra 3510, and though I had a number of people telling me the tractor was junk, I looked it over, the dealer seling it let me take it out to the property and put it through it's paces. For a 35 horse tractor, that little critter is a beast. I have now had that tractor for over 15 years, it doesn't have a spot in the barn so sits outside, tarped in really bad weather or snow, and I still couldn't be happier. She often is used to pull start the old IH stuff in super cold weather, and never complains once. Yes, I've had a few problems over the years, but to give an example of how hard I work that tractor, she is semi-permanently attached to an old pull-behind mini-combine designed for a 50 hp tractor...has been for almost the past 8 years. Sucks a bit more fuel, and drags a bit on startup, but that little Korean made diesel has taken a lickin' and kept right on tickin'. tractor has nearly 12k hours on it believe it or not, and still I wouldn't trade it for the world. I suppose the reason I posted this comment is, I've gotten even recently, a bunch of people talking junk about the Mahindra stuff, and while I can't speak for all of them, I can tell ya if I had it to do over again, the only thing I'd do different is take the 10% discount the dealer offered me, and buy a second one. Keep up the good work and the awesome vids Hank!
Mahindra does make a strong tractor. Thats for sure! Thanks for the comment
Great video! Had a New Holland for about 18 years. Only issue I had was a tie rod end that must have been defective and got sloppy in the first year. Replaced it and never replaced another one. All I did after that was routine maintenance. Only reason I have a Kubota now is I upsized and couldn’t pass up the deal they gave me. Actually think the 3 point and rear PTO was better on the New Holland.
Watch out for the pto clutch / cable on the new holland TN80. It turns on but it takes a half hour or more to turn off. Kind of a problem when you need to restart the engine when the pto light shows it is still engaged
When I bought my Kioti DK6010 cabbed tractor I priced similarly spec Deere and Kabota and they was 15K more. 400 hours later and still happy with my choice
"All tractors have their issues." That's exactly right. And that's why I ask dealers when I'm brand shopping to show me prices on service items and typical prices on replacement parts for things that might (or will) break. Cost of maintenance and repair is a huge cost that very few people consider when buying any kind of vehicle.
Great video Hank! I am a John Deere guy, but I don’t ever bad talk the other brands. I think all the brands have their pros and cons.
Ageeed. That’s way I said it in the video. I like all tractors. Literally every one of them. Lol.
I was test driver worked for jd 2011 and 12 worked for engineers testing and putting hrs doing different things with tractor's before went on line after so many hrs were put on tractor they would reverse engineer it it would look like an operating room hoses machines computer hooked up to them to see what parts were wearing and how bad then they cut it up and put it in dumpster except for like sun shade and tires i was really disappointed with jd because axle were from China some motors from India and Japan also and to much computer stuff and plastic but realized everything is going to that i guess it just hurt my heart that nothing was American anymore its really sad we have sold our soul to all mighty dollar sorry about crying on your shoulder lol god bless America
Speaking of bragging up tractors, well I gotta brag up my Kioti ck2610hst. 418 hours and zero issues. Everyone wants to complain, but no one wants to talk about the good things. Good videos Hank.
My concern is future parts availability…..like 10-15 years down the road. Plus, it seems like you see Mahindra, Branson, Montana and other off-brand dealers come and go regularly.
10-15 years? Our country is literally falling apart at the seams. Tractor parts are not your main concern at this point.
@@seanhammer6296 Well, I would agree that our nation is in trouble, and that parts availability may not be my “main concern” but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be a factor to consider, especially on an expensive piece of equipment.
@@dewaynemartin6437 Yes, right in this moment. My reply was kinda centered around the "10-15 years" part.
I had really thought long and HARD about buying an LS, MT series cab tractor. They came factory with a FEL, 4x4, had atleast 3 or 4 sets of remotes, and were priced WAAYY less than a “name brand.” I know of a couple ppl that have an LS and love em. But I’ve read and watched a ton of bad review’s on mechanical issues with them so that steered me away. So far I’m extremely pleased with my Kubota! Kubota is very popular around my area, especially for those of us who use them as a hay crop tractor.
What kind of haying are you using Kubota for ? I have seen very few that were big enough to hay with . I consider 100 HP to be minimum
I did a good bit of research before I bought my RK 37/ TYM and what I found was TYM has been in business for 70 years and S. Korean manufacturing is considered to be on par with that of the Japanese, which say's a lot. I looked at some of the equivalent models from JD, Kubota and Massey and for me the RK just beat them out in price, build quality, options, specs and weight.
Just ordered my Rk37 this past Saturday. Researched a ton. Everything kept coming back to RK. The exact same tractor would have cost me $12k +. All that extra for a good dealer
I owned a John Deere for 11 years. It was solid. I bought an RK 37 a year ago and I absolutely love it! It’s so easy to operate, I’ve had no issues and it is every bit as solid as my JD.
Meanwhile Hyundai and Kia is having major engine problems. South Korean cars are not the best in terms of quality and reliability. They may make other products that are good but cars are not one of them.
Don't know about the US,but Kia and Hyundai are very popular in the UK,with long warrenties.My friend has a Kia,and it's been faultless.
@@atx-cvpi_99 I had a Hyundai elantra went 250, 000 miles still going...
I bought a TYM T264 two years ago, it’s got a strong loader, great with a grapple. No mechanical problems of any kind.
Really appreciate this conversation. We have a 2019 Branson and were concerned about the TYM purchase. This puts us a bit more at ease.
You're gonna be fine. Every TYM dealer has to honor Branson's promises.
I agree with everything you said in this video. We bought a Kubota last year but looked at every other brand. I have nothing against every other tractor brand. We purchased a Kubota because we have a great, reputable dealer near us. I have a good friend who has a Kioti and another friend who has an LS and neither person has had any issue at all with their tractors. I also watch every one of the channels that you mentioned in this video and Tractor Mike, as well. We met CJ at the Paul Bunyan show last year. He seems like a great guy and has such a nice family.
When i worked at a bobcat dealership who contracts koiti i pdi plenty of them only saw a few back for either service or the pump needed to get reshimmed
Been using a Branson tractor on 2000 acres of ranch land. Mowing, feeding big round bales, moving dirt, etc. Couldn't be happier with it. Hundreds of hours.
Sounds like you're satisfied. I'm not sure if hundreds of hours is a good basis for anything though, especially considering you're on 2k acres of land. Had I read you were at 10k plus hours I'd be more impressed.
Frankly, a NORTH KOREAN tractor would probably give similar service up to hours in the "hundreds."
I have a Branson 2400 with BL100 loader and BH100 backhoe attachments to work on my 10 acres of mesquite, cactus and sagebrush. I retired in June of 2023 and bought the equipment new in 2017, putting only about 350 hours on it. Only issue I've had was with the loader control handle connectors coming loose inside the boot. Tightened them up and put a little thread locker on the bolts and haven't had an issue since. Opted for the 2400 over the 2400h because I wanted to have the ability to slip the clutch while occasionally operating the engine at a higher revolution. I'm extremely happy with the equipment and have probably abused it more than I should, but it's always been able to handle the task at hand.
Just a few years ago, the only option for an affordable tractor was the Chinese Jinma or Foton brands. Not super well made and little to no dealer support. The Korean brands are head and shoulders above those in terms of quality, features, and reliability. Even up here in tiny Massachusetts, there are tractor dealers everywhere. In less than an hour's drive from my house there are 3 TYM dealers, 2 LS dealers, and a Kioti dealer. Recently, the Runnings store about 30 minutes away started selling Summit tractors. There's also 3 Mahindra dealers, 3 Kubota dealers, and 2 JD dealers. These dealers have all been around for years, even decades. Many of them previously sold other brands, but they are not new dealers trying to make a quick buck. Almost forgot, there's also a Massey Ferguson dealer nearby. MY tractor!
My LS MT 122 Subcompact Tractor has a Yanmar engine. Got it with a backhoe, box blade, finish mower and rake. Got the set up from Knox Tractor in Tomball Texas. Great folks. Perfect for my small 5 acre homestead.
I had 3 Kubotas, was really excited to see the new LX3520su cab. Saw the MSRP and fell out of my chair. Picked up a CK2620se cab for 6,000 cheaper. NO HST whine and the loader is very stout. Just have to keep an eye on some bolt torque every now and then.
Loose bolts are a result of frame flexing.
Overall I like my TYM. A few issues - yes the hydrostatic shift lever broke. Engineering flaw. It is drilled out over half its diameter for a bolt thread making it weaker than it looks. Also the hydraulic fluid filter only clears the back hoe bracket by about 1 inch, very easy to damage when hooking up. Local dealers are bush league so I have to take it 150 miles for service.
Similar to the Korean tractors, Yanmar (Japanese) doesn’t get the street cred they deserve. They supply engines to half the tractor brands out there and build a high quality tractor with a very advanced transmission (iHMT). Plus they built all the JD compact tractors for 30 years and still provide all their engines. Now TYM and Yanmar are pertnering on a new Yanmar branded tractor.
Yeah, I'm not sure why Yanmar doesn't sell more tractors. Their hands are all over the diesel industry
Yammar dirt equipment, and marine equipment are good as anyone's. They're no chumps, by a long shot.
about a decade ago they entered into a partnership with cub cadet and in a fairly short time they pulled out of the deal and left the dealers and owners high and dry...
I bought 2 LS tractors , a 2010 3010s and a 2017 xg3025 new. The 2017 has paid for itself digging sewer lines etc. Over 200 hrs. on it. I have had two problems total, a emergency light switch on the 2010 , cost $35.00, a spring on the 2017 backhoe saftey lever 99cents at tractor supply. Great tractors.
I've owned a TYM t234 tractor for around 6 years, it's got almost 600 hours on it, I bush hog on the side and it has always been a good tractor, would definitely buy another TYM tractor.
Glad you gave a good review for LS. I have owned them for over ten years, starting with a 40hp and now using a 73hp. My dealership, Diamond R, in mid-Missouri, has been outstanding and I have no hesitation recommending LS tractors. Their largest tractor that I've seen is 100 hp.
I looked at them all, test drive most and bought a TYM T474 and love it. I felt that my money was getting me more and the build quality is top notch. So far, I’ll buy another TYM if I wear this one out. My ONLY complaint is the owners manual.
I agree! I just completed the 50 hour break-in service for my TYM474. The manual is not only confusing… it’s incorrect in several places. My favorite part of the service instructions is describing how to clean the metal-mesh hydraulic filter near the frame rail. It’s only one or two sentences and doesn’t mention it’s impossible to do without disassembling half of your frame. RUclips videos helped but they are all going off of the same crappy manual and having the same problems as me! I love my tractor and would like to make sure I maintain it properly. A Chilton type manual would be worth its weight in gold for us TYM folks. If someone knows of such a thing, please, drop a link!
I bought my Kubota L3800 HST in 2013 and i currently have about 300 hours on it. I like it as it has done almost everything I have asked it to do.
The only complaint is the loader lifting capacity. It can only lift about 1,000 pounds and similar models for Mahindra, TYM and just about any other is 1.5 - 2 times the amount of lifting capacity of the L3800.
Other than that, i love it and i do like the 3 range selector for the hydro.
I’ve considered LS or Kioti, but Kubota has a dealer close and I love their service and parts availability. Also, resale is important as well.
I agree! You pay for it though.
@@tobywilliams4614 not necessarily. The B series is 4k less than Massey for the same tractor, only 1k more than kioti, and 2k more than LS. LS doesn’t have any dealers near, and Kioti is 35 miles away. Kubota is 20. For the little bit more it is it’s worth it to me.
@@JB.Olsen7 The LS dealers around here are a joke.
@@dontump2286 Yeah, the nearest one to me doubles as a mechanic shop and no number is reachable. The closest is over an hour away and were helpful, but the LS website differs from how the dealers do things with rebates, interest rates, things like that. I think it’s just too small of a company yet.
200 hours on my Kioti CK2610 Hydro tractor over the last couple of years. I absolutely love it. It's used hard for logging with a grapple. 50% more hydro and loader capacity over a comparable 25hp Kubota. the Kioti is very well-built, reliable, capable, and hard-working utility tractor! I previously had a 1980's Yanmar tractor that was also great.
I have the exact same tractor behind you, but as a Mahindra. The engine plate does indeed show it's a TYM. Something for folks to watch for when buying. (Some know, some don't.) It's a 2013 6110, and I've been happy with it. I've beaten it up, brushhogging along (and sometimes into) my treeline, but "it takes a licking and keeps on ticking".
Many parts of the John Deere tractors are made in India. None of them are "all American" anymore.
Great video. I bought a 50HP LS . 3 years old 330 hrs. Only a few small issues but other than love it and my dealer! Got way more options on it for way less than the Kubota or JD! I’d buy another any day
Great video Hank. I have a TYM, Mahindra, Branson dealer in my town in Northern California. I transport Equipment and haven had a chance to move a piece of their inventory but because of your background with the equipment I have faith in the product. Keep up the great videos and thanks for my sticker on your tool box
You bet👍
Shopping for tractors and was looking at JD and Kubota, only! Then I ran into Kioti and I'm blown away by the features and value for the $$$. Thank you for validating that. Great video buddy!
I bought a new Kubota in 2011, and the only thing I have done is a new battery after ten years in the Northeast. It's held its value, and I am amazed at how tough it is. It's definitely going to be inherited by the next generation. I read on a forum somewhere about a newer brand that I thought was Chinese and his red tractor had faded to pink, and it had multiple problems. As for Korean, I bought my daughter a Hyundai new years ago and the brake pads were defective and depositing a thick layer on the rotors which raised hell. The dealer said they just machine off the layer occasionally. Hyundai denied the problem so I put new brakes on a new car. That coupled with the fact that I have had numerous Korean interns over the years, and they were the only ones who offered me expensive "gifts" that I had to refuse. I trust the Japanese culture, overpopulated with engineers, a lot more. I'd cough up the difference in a heartbeat to buy another Kubota, but never will have to. Best purchase I ever made.
I purchased a Yanmar 324 earlier this year that I am very happy with. But I will say my local dealer recently got in the Bad Boy line of tractors and it is one beefy tractor. Everything on it is beefier then my Yanmar. I was very impressed.
Tee Totally Agree with you Hank. The very first 4x4 John Deere subcompact tractor I bought was 25 years old when I bought it. Good little tractor. In 2018 i bought a brand new 3 Series J.Deere. It was the worst tractor I ever owned. Traded it in for a used New Holland. Color really don't matter much anymore.
I remember me and you chatted about them when you were going around to dealerships a few years ago showing them. My Kioti is still holding up well. Granted, I don't use it every day but it has held up nicely.
Good stuff. I bought a 2016 Kubota BX2670 with Landpride belly mower, loader, 3 point snowblower, rototiller. The Kubota and JD dealers are within 10 miles. I choose Kubota over JD only because there was a financing bundling deal. I would have bought any of the other brands if the dealers were closer and the deal was right. The New Holland, Mahindra and Massey dealers were all within $500 of the Kubota and JD but the dealers were too far away to make it worth it.
You made the right choice !
Hank, a few years ago I bought a used 2005 Branson 3510 i open cab 4x4 tractor i was a first time buyer. This tractor only had 385 hours on it. That being said I done the first filter and oil changes on it. It's one of those buyer beware type of deals. I bought it from a Mahindra dealership. Sure I've had my share of issues with it. But I've put this little tractor through hell and back. It's out preformed a 40 horsepower Kubota a neighbor has. It will out lift what the competitors have in It's class. It's got the little 3 cylinder Cummings engine. And it's just been a bulletproof little tractor. The only problem I have is the nearest TYM- Branson dealership is 3 hours away. I have to order parts then have them shipped to me. 2-3 day delay. But yes I'm very proud of my Branson tractor !
Nice video, Hank. There are many good tractor manufacturers. I can't think of a single manufacturer that produces poor quality tractors. The only repairs I've done to my 2010 Massey GC2610 were damages I've done. Thanks for sharing! - Rick
True. Any poor product gets the company eliminated from the market fast. There are no second rate manufacturers these days.
Thx Hank. Very useful information for those interested in tractors for home use, but not wanting to spend big money on Deere, etc.
Grew up kinda green although my dad always wanted an 8n and that was the first used tractor I bought. I needed more, so around 40 years ago I bought a JD 2150. At the time there was only one tractor under 100hp manufactured domestically and it wasn't Green. There was a light weight green Yanmar and my 2150 was made in Manheim Germany. I need to replace my 2150 because I need an intermediate step in old age and I need a front blade, a cab and a heater in the winter because I am old. I have been looking at TYM for 10 or 12 years now and they have really upped their game. I see a t494 or a t574 in my future. Oh, one final point on my 40 year ago purchase. That one domestic tractor under 100 hp tractor was a Massey, at the time a Canadian company.
I looked for about 3 years also. Settled on an RK25; all the features i needed plus. It has performed flawlessly.
I got it during cough19. Ordered a 3rd function kit, and months went by. They could not get the kit. So i cancelled that and trailered it to a John Deere dealer, and had them cobble together lines from FEL to rear power beyond; it cost as much as the OEM option. About a year after, i was able to get the OEM third function. So now i have both the momentary push button, and a bidirectional circuit on the FEL.
Something to note- I called 2 different TYM dealerships to try to get the 3rd function. It’s the same tractor as their T25. In both cases, they never called me back with availability. That says to me something important about TYM and their customer support. I don’t support businesses that do that to their customers. RK has been ok to deal with; not stellar, not bad. At least they communicate effectively.
Almost bought a kioti but the dealer kept dragging me around. Ended up going with massey and I'm more than happy with my choice and in the 3 years I've owned it I've been in both Facebook groups. 1 observation has been that the kioti page is always posting broken steel. From cylinders to and to frames and buckets. The massey group is most often projects done and accessories added. When i go bigger I'll be staying with massey.
Good video! I took over my grandfathers farm when he passed, and I’ve been looking for a tractor to do what I need. We’ve got 50 acres combined. All hay fields and cattle pasture. I’ve been trying to figure out which brand would be the best for “eventually” take care of my own hay fields. (A neighbor has done it for us for 20+ years since my grandfather never had the opportunity to do it all himself)
So I’ve been trying to decide what to get to maintain the road, bush hog, move hay bales and disc the garden. This video was very informative! Good watch!
Good luck in your decision. They all make really good tractors.
My grandpa paid cash for his 70 hp kioti, they dropped it off and the driver took the check back to the dealer.. a couple years later the motor blew due to manufacturing problems... not under warranty. My grandpa told them out the new motor in. He asked them to deliver it to his farm and they wouldn’t deliver it until he paid for the repairs first.... it’s very obvious they knew it should’ve been under warranty. You get what you pay for. The kioti was cheaper but you don’t have the same service in my opinion.
Good video. I have a 26 year old Deere but when I decide to purchase another tractor eight years ago, JD was way to expensive so I looked at LS and bought one. After a few years I wanted a cab tractor and traded up to a Bad Boy. Both the LS and the Bad Boy had NO issues. Now, I want a larger tractor and have put a deposit on a 574 TYM. Just waiting for it to arrive!
Your excacty right Hank , I wasnt price shopping for a compact tractor at all i was going to buy what i needed , After going blind on youtube lol and looking at all the brands i was sold on the RK25 but wanted a TYM but no dealers around here in Ohio , There is no more options on RK tractors the other dealers green and orange wanted some big bucks to add them and thats what did it for me , Good warranty and we have a good RK service dept to boot , Only have a 100 hours on it i know others have lots more , Good video !
Same here Kelley, I went with the RK37. Didn't know if you knew it or not but the RK's are TYM's. Not one bit sorry with mine at 120 hrs.
@@danclas5983 I didnt at first but found out along the that TYM made rk tractors i was sold , Thanks for the reply sir !
Good video, I spoke with reps of all three companies at the Int’l farm machinery show in Louisville. Very impressed. My next tractor will be a TYM.
Thanks for another great video.
It was interesting and enjoyable.
Tough subject here. Everyone looks at buying equipment differently. It is amazing how big our equipment market is now. Research is the key. Know what you are looking at and go from there.
Thanks Hank for your video.
The Iowa Farm Boy.
Thanks for watching!
I have a TYM474 HST with a Cab. Best investment I've made. It's small enough to not be too much for 23 acres and powerful enough to do all the work I pile on it with no problems. I have had a few issues but the warranty and service from Jordan's Sales and Service of Postfalls ID is top notch.
Hank, I have found most name brands tractors are pretty equal in ability and durability.
However, no matter which tractor you buy you had better buy from a dealer that will take care of you. In some ways that more important than the tractor.
Love the review, i have the Cab TYM474 HST and have not had a single issue whatsoever, have Grapple, backhoe, box glade, auger, and mower, everything functions great with this machine, I service it well, that is the ticket, two really good dealers in Southern tier NY who are both very good and helpful and carry all service parts needed. Comparable equipment with Kubota and JD when I was shopping couldn’t come close, my dollars went much further with TYM.
Right on!
Let me make it real easy... south korea is america in the 50's... strong work force who give a damn. And heres a tip... those korean engineers who do the design probly went to school in north america specificly in the mid-west. The big american names have been exploiting this fact for years! I used to work for a korean robotics company... i was the only american amd honestly i would trust stuff built by them vs stuff built by the current american generation
I worked for a South Korean Company for many years. We provided specialised equipment originally made in Netherlands. After a few years of the Korean company using our equipment, the Koreans started copying it, to our amazement the quality and functional improvements were very good indeed. The only problem I would have with the Koreans is they do tend to take short cuts, especially in heavy duty welding.
Great info. I bought a new kioti ck20 in 2007 (2006 model). I worked that machine hard af, especially in 2020 when we bought new property. I didn't take care of it as good as I should've. I paid $11,900 brand new. Ended up having a hydrostat issue in 2013. Lost all pressure all of a sudden. I split the tractor apart and found the gearotor was broken in pieces. Couldn't get that part from Kioti. They offered a complete transmission for $5000. Ended up getting ahold of daedong in South Korea and he got me the new part shipped to me in 5 days! Had to machine the thickness down and modify the housing a little but got it going. Then in 2020, it started using/blowing by oil. Broke a piston ring and piston ring groove. Honed cylinder and installed new piston and rings. Fixed it right up. All my fault for not maintaining it as often as I should've. Ended up selling it for $7500 and I know I could've gotten a lot more after I sold it. I'm buying a new tractor soon. Not sure what brand, but it's between another Kioti, RK or TYM.
We have a ck 30 kioti with 4000 hours beat the crap out of run like a top we love it very little problem with it mostly wearing things out it was some of the frist once in this area
I bought a LS MT357HC about 2 months ago. Its my first tractor, but I love everything about it. Only complaint I have is the hydraulic flow rate is a little low and spins my loader mounted auger pretty slow, but works.
Regarding their sizing, the 3 series I have is their most powerful compact tractor at 57hp, the 4-7 series are utility tractors and they don't offer them in a hydrostat. That said, in 4wd and the diff locked, I can easily spin the tires in low gear and only have the engine down at 1800 RPM.
I just ordered your exact model. How do you feel about it 6 months in? Any options you regret not getting?
@@GMC-qo9xi I still think the tractor is great. I primarily have a bunch of buried rocks, varying from football to semi truck tire in size. I have no regrets in options, as I think it's only available fully optioned? I'm extremely happy with the hydrostatic transmission and happy it came with 4x4 and the rear locking diff. I installed the OEM 3rd function to run a rock grapple and loader mounted auger, which the auger rotates pretty slow, but no issues for personal work. The 57 hp is entirely unnecessary and the tractor will effortlessly start spinning its tires in low range if you try to push an immovable rock. The 352 (I believe) and 357 have Cat 2 3 point setups, which may or may not be what you want. For me, all my implements are Cat 1, except a rock wheel trencher I ordered should arrive in a week, in which case I'm very happy I went with the Cat 2 and 57 hp setup.
@@GMC-qo9xi I will note, if you're using the loader anywhere near capacity, fill the rear tires with ballast. Before I did, a few of the rocks I moved got pretty scary with nearly no weight holding the back tires on the ground. Even with the added ballast, there's times where the rear feels a little light and I will look into getting more weight on the back. I might have to drain the tires if we get a hard freeze (since I just used water), but it doesn't often freeze that hard where I'm at.
@@thooper4380 Thanks for the overview. I ordered the 57 hp for the pto power, which i think may be the only time when it can present a difference. So my wood chipper should be able to better handle the larger diameters. And then i figured if i ever do hay for my in-laws with it, i can probably run their baler with the extra hp. I also got the 3rd function on front as well as a 3rd hydro line at the back to operate a hydraulic top link which can be helpful for using the back blade in certain cases and inverted snow blower in other cases… and in general to adjust the angle of whatever you put on there, including my wood chipper. And i also asked for LED lights instead of the halogens and other basic things like a cutting edge/stiffener for the loader bucket, and interior rear view mirror, etc… which are not necessarily options from the manufacturer, but from the dealer (upon request). The one thing I’m unaware of is the difference between the cat 1 and 2, so i appreciate you pointing it out so i can make sure my dealer can offer whatever solution. Pretty sure my wood chipper can go on either one, but I’m not sure what the issue is yet.
@@thooper4380 he just told me it (cat 1 & 2) is just a difference in bushing size and will provide me with both.