I bought a Kioti CK2620 this year based on 3 things: 1: Best price/value for the size 2:Loader lift capacity 3:No emmissions but with bigger frame size Ive been very happy with it so far.
looks like after warranty you can adjust the injector and make it into a 35hp tractor with no emissions, that is my 4th reason why I am buying the CK2620
Here in Australia the difference in price is massive. The 37 hp Kioti with loader and rear remotes is over $10k cheaper than the Kubota equivalent. Kubota went crazy with its pricing in the last 3 years. 10k buys a lot of fuel, oil, filters, insurance and implements.
@edd189 Insurance is a system where you pay a company a small percentage of the value of your property and they will replace or repair it in case of theft, storm damage or accidental damage etc'. I hope this helps.
Funny Kubota would say something like that...I recently saw a large billboard for Kubota tractors on the road..it proudly read, "The ORIGINAL Orange Tractor!"...well, I immediately went, "NO!"...Wrong!...around here, the ORIGINAL Orange tractor was Allis-Chalmers...Kubota was another little orange tractor that began showing up here in small numbers in the 1970's.....
I have had john deere and kubota tractors. My next will definitely be a kioti. For the durability, options, and pricing its a no-brainer. Thanks for the great videos.
None of the Kioti tractors can do 2 loader functions at one time for smooth operation and keeping you bucket or forks level at the same time your raising the boom. I worked for a dealer for a while that had Kiotis and I wouldn's trade my Kubota for it ever no matter the price difference.
i bought a new kioti rx 7320 73 hp 6 years ago it weighs 1800 lbs more than the kubota 7060 which was similar but less features and the kubota would have cost $7000 more I'm happy with my tractor and would buy another
I’m in British Columbia, Canada. I bought a brand new Kioti CX2510 with front loader, Grapple and backhoe. What an amazing machine and 9 grand cheaper than the equivalent Kobota. Also better quality, better warranty and lifts way more…. Kioti also makes most of their own parts in-house which keeps quality high. Cheers… 😊
When we took our first trip to a Daedong plant in Northern South Korea, we saw front axles slated to go out to Kubota. They have one of the larger foundries in the world and make all kinds of stuff for other manufacturers.
I bought a Kioti CK se cab tractor new, i looked at pretty much every brand and always returned to Kioti. More weight , more lift, and loaded inside and out. We also have great dealers near by (Ontario Canada) I have put 200 hours on my tractor in the last year with ZERO issues. Would definitely buy again.
You sure you weren’t in southern South Korea? Almost all of their production and HQ is centered around Daegu and Changnyeong which is a satellite town of Daegu (Taegu for you old timers). They have a sales campus in Seoul but that’s the only thing north that I’m seeing on their page (and I knew to look for it as I’ve driven past it several times on the way to medical clinic in Gangnam).
I really like what Kioti is doing lately and I own a Kubota.. they seem to be listening to tractor owners in their wants and needs.. for the longest time I have been saying that Kubota needs to put out a full glass factory cab with heat and AC on their smaller tractors such as the BX and the B series but they refuse to do it and want to upsell you to their new Lx series.. which is a nice tractor but for some people it’s just a tad too large for what they need. Also I have always wished they would upscale the BX a bit or make an inbetween model between the B series and bx series.. kioti on the other hand has done ALL of this! All the wishes for Kubota I had are being done on Kioti.. Kubota needs to start listening more to their consumers. They do make EXTREMELY tough and reliable machines which is proven and why they can charge more and that’s ok.. but it would be nice if they did a little more digging on what owners said and implement that more .. now they can’t be upset when a company like Kioti fills all the gaps they could have easily done themselves!
Recently after about a year of research and comparison, I picked up a Kioti CK3520SEH CAB. I anticipate it will be the one and only tractor I will ever own, so I did put a lot of thought into the purchase. I got several implements and attachments to use with it that I wouldn't have been able to afford if I had gone JD or Kubota. It could have been TYM or LS, but the Kioti dealer seemed the best to work with service wise. Dealer distance had a bit to do with the decision as well.
We have a Kioti RX7320 power shuttle we bought new in 2020. AWESOME tractor! We had a small Kioti years ago that was a BEADT for its size. Love the Kioti tractors.
Couldn't agree more on colors. I just recently got a Kubota L3560 cab model Had there been a Kioti dealer close to me I would have considered them as well. I will say I had Zero issues selling my Previous kubota L2501hst for top dollar. It didn't last a week on the market. Kubota and John Deere will always have the best resale value and quickest sale IMO. Keep up the good content.
I got a Bobcat, which is just about a rebadged Kioti. It was $8000 less than a comparable Kubota and $10000 less than a JD. Bobcat gave you the loader free if you paid cash. JD only offered a $300 cash discount and Kubota $800. I think the structure at Kubots and JD is to give you fake cheap financing, get you hooked on a service agreement, and sell you some insurance. I called bobcat , told what I wanted, they said we can deliver that on Thursday, they unloaded and I gave them a check. It was easier than shopping at home depot.
Maybe instead of sueing your competition, Kubota should listen to their customers. Kubota is a very reliable brand but they need to vastly improve their compact line. Kubota compacts are to light in the chassis and fall way short in FEL capacity. Korean tractors have way more standard features and transmission choices. Kubota nickle and dimes you for common sense features i.e. floor mat, economy pto, cruise control, extendable links, tilt steering, arm rest, comfortable seats etc.... Kubota will continue to lose business in the compact market unless they can up their game and lower their prices. Big ag tractors will always sell but the compact tractor market is mostly small hobby farmers who are on strict budgets. The korean tractors are proving to be very hard working, reliable machines.
I have the NX4510 cab hst front end loader. Bought it as chore tractor for around my small farm. Not intending to use it farm work I have other tractor for those tasks. For fun I hooked my 9' haybine up to my NX4510 and cut hay with it and I was impressed. I underestimated its weight and power. Kiotis are well built and heavy duty.
I have a 2015 NX4510 and keep breaking stuff on it. 3400 hours. Hood latch fell off last week: baling wire fix. Backoe sub-frame cracked: used a 3" C-channel liner welded back in. Both forward and reverse potentiometers have been replaced. The fuel filter is not up to par: new injectors and fuel metering pump; $1700 at dealer. Pins for the front bucket keep breaking the oval retainers: weld them again and again...... Starter wire curcuit failed: jump the starter solenoid with needle nose pliers until I find the wire break. Suction hose leaked air into hydraulic suction line: replace hose with two clamps on each side to correct. Coolant hoses dripping: tighten clamps and keep filling the reservoir (head gasket?). Door latch failed twice ($280 a pop): used baling twine loop. A/C quit last Summer: mice got in the roof; remove roof and clean them out, sanitize, plug holes where they got in. I called Kioti and left messages for assistance, but no reply. They don't seem to have a Service Representative. The dealer has nice people, but I'm glad I bought the $200 Shop Manual. I don't like Kubota's F/R pedal. It has caused accidents. I own and operate a working ranch where I use this machine every day for multiple purposes. It's a light duty tractor for gentlemen farmers. I'm currently shopping Case, New Holland, Massey. Buy USA. The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten: Benjamin Franklin.
@@GB-mp6ws 3400 hours and backhoe. Sounds like you are putting it to heavy use. Mine only has 80 hours in 2 years. I have other much bigger heavier older tractors to do farm work. I cut hay with it this year because the air went out on my hay tractor 85 Case 1394. Handled hay equipment very well better than i thought it would. I only use my Kioti to mow, clean driveways spray and lift pallets. I bought it for $36000. The equivalent Deere was $58,000. Im happy with it.
The Kioti factory in Wendell NC is just 5 miles down the road from me. I see all of their models lined up all the time ready to be shipped out. I really would love to walk through and tour it one good time....
If I'm not mistaken, Kubota still uses steer axles made by Daedong, and they still use technology co-developed with Daedong. They need to quit complaining about someone else showing the NA market how much we get overcharged for branding.
Know they use the Czechoslovakian Belarus axle that's been in use since the early 1960s. Those axles are almost bulletproof, but they are limited to about 75 hp, and can hold more dead weight on top of them than any other design. Until till about 2005 you could cross reference the Kubota part with the Belarus on the ring and pinion and axle housings and all seals and bushings.
I've hauled small tractors from one of the assembly plants . They assembled Kubota, Kioti, Bobcat, New Holland and I believe one or two others. They all look almost identical. The same plant. I don't know, I'm a truck driver, I just make the wheels go round.
In my area there are no nearby Kioti dealers but lots of Kubota dealers. Purchase price happens once, service happens every year that you own the tractor. Transportation to dealer isn’t cheap. Do the numbers over the long haul.
Proud of my DK5310HSE... Ive out it thru some tough work and its never let me down. Need to get a second speeco hitch for it since ive got one on my old Ford 2N. Gotta get some things figured out first though.
I have my dads '94 kioti 2554 and it has been one of the most trouble-free machines i have ever been around. It has a original kioti loader and my dad bought a bush hog 3pt backhoe and he designed and built his own subframe for the hoe and for the tractor and that little 25hp tractor has done some amazing work. Whats amazing to me is at only 25hp its the same physical size as modern 35-45hp tractors
When I looked for a tractor my biggest must have was, gear drive, and Kubota was the only brand in my area that had that option. The resale value on my MX5100 is really good, it was one of the last tractors that didn't have DEF.
I have both a Kioti CK2620 and a TYM T264. I love them both, and they are awesome tractors. The Kioti CK2620 is a beast of a machine for the cost. I am very happy with the purchase of it earlier this year. That lawsuit from Kubota against Kioti had only one winner, the lawyers. 🙂 Courtney, I loved your comment on knowledge and time changes opinions. I love how you are expanding your horizons with tractor brands now, just how you have done for many years with attachments and implements. Many benefit from you doing that. Hope you and Chris are doing great, always!
Kubota is simply riding on their name. Inferior loader lifting capacity. Inferior weight for traction. Inferior 3 point lift. And for a similarly optioned kioti the kubota will be 10k more. For nothing gained over kioti. Kioti for the win.
I think that the reason why every tractor manufacturers out there stick to a specific colour is so people can identify them miles away while those machines are working in the field compared to car manufacturers where we get to stand right next to their product and look at the emblem with close to no effort...
Older Koti tractors were built under license by Kubota in Korea 25 years ago. I have a 24 year old Koti that is 90% identical to Kubota. Also have a 5 year old Kubota. Both are great tractors.
Kioti is taking market share from Kubota fast, and they are stepping up their game now with the new RX40 series and the HX. I look forward to seeing what they can do with these.
I think the engineering is better on the Kubota than the Kioti. I own a Kioti, and while I love it's features It has some design and engineering issues. #1, it doesn't have enough cooling. #2 V-Belts? Still? #3 easily damaged parts (I've ripped off my gas tank skid, broke off the magnet in the oil filter, busted the 3-point hitch but it still works, shattered a door, etc...) Every Tractor has issues though but I will say that the Kioti is probably a bit over priced and the Kubota is probably appropriately priced. I'm sure if I had to live with a Kubota I'd find faults with it too.
I’m happy with my CK2610. Had the dealer adjust the brakes and transmission linkage at 50 hours but all is well. Use it to maintain the property and its move 1/3 cord of greenwood.
I have one of each. Too early to offer an unbiased opinion though. I’ve had my Kubota L3130 for around 13 or 14 years and I just got the Kioti 3510 chse about a month ago. Both were purchased used. Kubota is GST and Kioti is HST. The Kubota is physically larger because it’s a Grand L so it feels more stable and less bouncy. I can’t deny the cab on the Kioti though.It’ll be living in the snow belt midstate Michigan along lake Michigan. Whats with the footage of that shredder? Just to tempt me?
I think colors were used to identify the brands working in the field. And for John Deere, the colors do mean something, green for growth and yellow for harvest. As for the others, Farmall were gray and then changed to red, Ford also were gray and then changed to red and light gray and then to blue, Allis Chalmers orange and were probably gray in the early days. Ferguson were known as the "Little Gray Fergies" in the UK. Manufacturers went away from the gray to help identify their brand when working in the field and for looks.
If the current kioti is as good as my 22 year old DK75 Daedong then I recommend, the work this thing has done is beyond amazing and still going strong ! best investment I ever made. My advice is get the right size bigger is better. I wish they made an in between size of the 75 and 100 hp.
Really liking my CK 2620, only had it for 2 months and only have 4 hours on it. Why didn't someone tell me, once you own a tractor, youll never have time to use it!
I have a kubota L3200…….needed a headlight bulb so I pulled out the factory one that was blown to get a number off it. Kioti 12v25w/25w is all that is written on the bulb
@@LostinmyAmazingness yea, damn what was I thinking. I should move so I’m closer to a particular tractor dealer. Thats brilliant…. Oh wait if I move so Im near the tractor dealer it puts me further away from a car dealer I use.
Back in the early 2000s l bought a kiot 3515 and from what I understand Kubota sold kioti the castings add molds to build tractors and you can see the similarities from older kubota's
Color is also protected in insulation. Owens Corning "own" the color pink for insulation. They use the Pink Panther as their mascot. No one else is allowed to make pink insulation
My brother bought a Kioti and it spent more time in the shop than in the field during the first year he owned it. Every time I borrowed his tractor to use on my small farm something on it broke, all covered by warranty not abusive use, and it constantly overheated due to dust in the filter and radiator. When I bought a tractor I bought a similar sized Kubota, and told the dealer all the problems my brother had, the dealer wouldn't say anything bad about Kioti even saying Kioti was a good tractor and that my bother's problems were unusual in his opinion. I have had my Kubota for over a year and no shop time and no overheating problems doing the same work as the Kioti only harder since its my tractor.
Glad to hear of your experience with your Kubota. I did a video helping out a guy who had a nightmare with his Kubota that sounds similar to your brother's Kioti experience. It can and will happen with all manufacturers.
There’s a European tractor company ( Vultra ) that’s well known for having any color you want. That was their selling point for awhile in the early 2000’s, “comes in any color”.
Ha ha ha, funny you picked the Ford configration site for color options given your past history with Ford's. Your point on Tractor is a tractor however (unless you dig into spec's) is a point taken. Full disclosure; own a Kubota (sub-compact) and am happy. Maybe would be as well with a Kioti .... neighbor has one and is happy with it. PS: I'm in Canada so while I love your input .... it's just perspective for me and I appreciate that.
Kioti Tractors lift considerably more than comparable sized Kubota tractors and are heavier. I have been considering a new compact 35-40 HP tractor and the Koiti is just more tractor for the money. I could care less about the color, other than the Kubota paint job stinks, as they fade terribly. Kubota and JD offer the benefits of more dealerships and a larger volume of parts in the USA.
I don’t see how Kubota has a leg to stand on. The last time I compared the two side by side, the Kioti was clearly the more innovative product. First the Kubota pedals, yikes, what’s that about. But besides that, the Kioti model in my price bracket was just better thought out. Fluid filters, fill ports, dipsticks, drain locations, all better laid out. Kubota’s model was not bad, but Kioti’s was better - and clearly thought out - it wasn’t accidental. The front steering mechanism again was better protected, which is good when dealing with brush. Color, Kioti is clearly more reddish than orange, it’s just not the same. Hood design, really it’s a tractor and must work with a FEL in place. Form follows function. The 3 point hitches, well they are 3 point hitches just like everyone else - that seems facetious but it is pertinent. Tractors need certain things, weight, ground clearance, ability to take attachments. The “body” metalwork is just there to keep the rain off the engine, allow access, and not interfere with the FEL. They are pretty much the same, some fit better, some are green and made from plastic. They all do their job.
Daedong used to do the sheet metal stamping of hoods, body and rear fenders for Kubota. My 2000 model Kioti LK-3054 had the same sheet metal parts as the sub compact Kubotas of that time period even the model LK was really close to Kubota L. The paint scheme was orange and dark blue, same as Kubota. So yes Kioti copied Kubota back then, and created brand confusion for sure. FWIW, My 2000 model Kioti was a great tractor and really strong for its size. I replaced it with a Kubota due to a lack of parts availability for the 20 year old Kioti. At 20 years it had 1500 hrs but I could not find a replacement hydraulic pump for it. Power steering would quit working after 45 minutes of loader work on a 80 degree day. My local Kioti dealer stated that parts would have to come from South Korea if available and may be Deadong labeled (During Covid 2020). Might be interesting to see how much warehouse space in Wendell,NC Kioti has compared to past years. Compare with Kubots parts support growth and JD over the same period of time.
Ive always been a Kubota guy and always will be but i must say Kioti is a very affordable and well valued machine and very capable too The Kubota Dealer I deal with from time to time has been easy to work with and very knowledgeble one thing i wish kubota would do is have the 3rd function standard and offer a gear transmission on the LX series 8 gears or more. And lower the prices down. The reason i may stick with kubota is the dealers close by ease of buying parts and reliability from my experience. Both are exellent I ran a 1025 John Deere sub compact once i was not impressed with it in fact id favor my gravely 8199kt. I am thinking of getting the Kubota LX2620 model with the front loader but Kioti is on the radar of others im looking at too but the Kioti dealer is a longer drive.
I like Kubota over Kioti as the hydraulics better with loader. I work at a dealership that sells Kioti and I own a Kubota and would buy again over them.
Screw Kubota. They got too big of an ego now. I was shopping tractors not even 6 months ago and MULTIPLE Kubota dealers were abysmal. WELL over MSRP pricing on Kubotas - not a single one was even near sticker, which is absurd as it is. Ended up going with a Kioti NS and unbelievably happy with that choice. Kioti for life now. I even have a diesel mower and K9 from them and they've been great. Had I have bought the Kubota I would have been nickled and dimed on everything, even the accessories I've bought since.
"biggest in history" is a headline to make it sound more severe. It was 2 million dollars. Kubota has a yearly revenue around 20 billion. It's just a government shakedown to pad their budget. Most large corporations get these fines for stupid stuff because the government knows it's cheaper to pay it than fight it.
I do know of some “color option” tractor history. John Deere in the 70s made a garden tractor called the “Patio” which had a white belly and options of Metallic blue, orange, red, or yellow bodywork. White Tractors built the “American” series in the early 90s, you could order a tractor in Cockshutt Red, Oliver Green, MM yellow or white silver. I believe NH did a special edition 8N tribute tractor at one point. Same color scheme, custom hood. Not as cool as the old fords though, boy those are some beautiful old tractors. Regarding the change, do I see a new to market implement hitched up?
Well I'm an ignoramus... I thought kioti was a chinese knock off... but knowing how much the Koreans and Japanese like each other... this makes tons of sense.
I think you should look at 4 in 1 front buckets as attachments they are the standard front buckets on tractors and skid steer machines in Australia, they are so versatile…🇦🇺🍺
The painton Kubota fades fast . Kubota does have options. But at higher prices that is stock features over seas . Not good for owners of a few years older machines and the options for third function or rear remotes is a big kicker if you want to upgrade from factory stock . Kioti is making big strides in the small tractor market and at a lower cost. From a mechanic that used to work at a Kubota dealership. As for buyers do your research and look into dealer support in your area. Find what is most cost effective for your needs.. Regardless of manufacturer!
Even though the colours look similar the tinters used to create the colours are different even though the colours do look very similar. So I think it is pretty hard to sue a company that uses a similar colour unless the exact paint tints were used to create the colour.
Look up Valtra tractors. They are unique in that you can order lots of different colors but in general it's not a big selling point for the extra work involved
All that mulcher footage goodness. Do the tractor mounted ones work as well... hum.... More on topic. I have an L3400 (kubota) which seems to me to be one fantastically reliable and durable machine. as it has survived 7 years of my ignorance being my first tractor. I've also a recently inherited a JD 2305 which is primary a snow blower. I'm afraid to do much else with Least it break transmission. lots of questionable points on that, from the undocumented grease fittings that, if not taken care of, blow out the trans at 500hrs, to the weak transmission housings, to the valve covers that shatter and blow up the engines (ok thats a 1025/1026 issue, but it looks like the 2305 is made the same) Several of my friends have Kioti's as thats the local dealer around here and, all more in line with the size of the JD, they seem much more solidly built than the 2305. I'd pickup a same sized Kioti over a JD any day of the week.
I must be misunderstanding your slide about the 1-4 series Deeres. Besides the yamar engines many of the tractors are built in Georgia with American made parts. If anyone wants to enlighten me please proceed
Lots of Kubota haters on here. I spent the extra $$$ and purchased a Kubota L4802. I wanted the higher build quality, and much more expansive dealer network and parts availability in my area.
I wools like to see your opinion amd possibly review on TYM brand compared to Kioto! Daedong is parent company of TYM I believe are they still owning kubota as well?
I had been looking for a few years for a tractor and i looked at all of them.. i went to kubota, deere,yanmar, new holland and i made phone calls to dealers.. I called apple farm services and they asked if i looked at the kioti and i hadn't other than my cousins 80's kioti that has a few thousand hrs on it and nothing in English.. so in 2020 i bought a kioti ck2610hst with 66" loader for $19k delivered and 0% intrest absolutely 0 issues with 400hrs on it now and id buy another in a heartbeat
Automotive and other industries still have their specific shades of colors, for instance if you take a Chevy pickup and paint it ford’s Harley orange and black theme you could technically be sued for it if it’s to spec and body shops/paint vendors have to have rights to the patented paint codes
I am waiting delivery on my new Kioti DK6020se Cab. Watching many videos about Kubota and Kioti my decision came down to dealer support and the I just did not like the treadle pedal on the Kubota. The red barn went up quick, wish mine was built that quickly...take it you changed position?
Bobcat was bought out and stoped using kubota for their tractors and skid-steers and that’s when kubota started offering skidsteers and now we have bobcat/kioti/dosoon(end of the “made in America” bobcats)… there’s old wounds I’m sure with losing the engine sales…
Hungry hungry hippo with that mulcher (I want one now) and very Moses like parting a sea of weedy trees. Hope something like will get cheaper and light enough to hook up to my 2 Kioti's (NX/CX) cabs.
I think it would be a nightmare to be able to order your tractor in different colors. I don't think they have enough production to be able to do that cost effectively.
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I bought a Kioti CK2620 this year based on 3 things:
1: Best price/value for the size
2:Loader lift capacity
3:No emmissions but with bigger frame size
Ive been very happy with it so far.
looks like after warranty you can adjust the injector and make it into a 35hp tractor with no emissions, that is my 4th reason why I am buying the CK2620
Same with me I bought a Kioti CK3520, one year into ownership still love it
Here in Australia the difference in price is massive. The 37 hp Kioti with loader and rear remotes is over $10k cheaper than the Kubota equivalent. Kubota went crazy with its pricing in the last 3 years. 10k buys a lot of fuel, oil, filters, insurance and implements.
@edd189 Insurance is a system where you pay a company a small percentage of the value of your property and they will replace or repair it in case of theft, storm damage or accidental damage etc'. I hope this helps.
Same on pricing here in the US..
Funny Kubota would say something like that...I recently saw a large billboard for Kubota tractors on the road..it proudly read, "The ORIGINAL Orange Tractor!"...well, I immediately went, "NO!"...Wrong!...around here, the ORIGINAL Orange tractor was Allis-Chalmers...Kubota was another little orange tractor that began showing up here in small numbers in the 1970's.....
Same! As an old Allis Chalmers owner, I was quite displeased to see that.
You have better chance at parts for 0ld ac than kioti dealers don't last long parts usually higher than Kubota
I have a 1966 Case 960 grain combine and it's orange!
I like old allis but their orange sucks, Kubota has more red in their spectrum.
My '41 Case SC is orange 🍊
I have had john deere and kubota tractors. My next will definitely be a kioti. For the durability, options, and pricing its a no-brainer. Thanks for the great videos.
None of the Kioti tractors can do 2 loader functions at one time for smooth operation and keeping you bucket or forks level at the same time your raising the boom. I worked for a dealer for a while that had Kiotis and I wouldn's trade my Kubota for it ever no matter the price difference.
i bought a new kioti rx 7320 73 hp 6 years ago it weighs 1800 lbs more than the kubota 7060 which was similar but less features and the kubota would have cost $7000 more I'm happy with my tractor and would buy another
Huge difference
This was the same for me on the CK2610 vs L2501. 7k more for Kubota. No thanks. Happy with the 2610.
Dealer network and service department sets it apart
I bought a RX7320 to replace my M7060. I like the kioti a lot better
I’m in British Columbia, Canada. I bought a brand new Kioti CX2510 with front loader, Grapple and backhoe. What an amazing machine and 9 grand cheaper than the equivalent Kobota. Also better quality, better warranty and lifts way more…. Kioti also makes most of their own parts in-house which keeps quality high.
Cheers… 😊
CX2520 owner this year. Ditto on all of this. Loader, grapple, pallet forks, backhoe, lifts more and $7k less than equivalent kubota. Love my Kioti. 😊
Yep I have a cx2510 with the backhoe front loader forks fully articulating 72 inch rear blade and box blade. Does almost everything I ask it to.
When we took our first trip to a Daedong plant in Northern South Korea, we saw front axles slated to go out to Kubota. They have one of the larger foundries in the world and make all kinds of stuff for other manufacturers.
Already had the orange fill cap on it to, 😅
Good info!
Apparently daedong also make compact tractors for bobcat! Pretty cool.
I bought a Kioti CK se cab tractor new, i looked at pretty much every brand and always returned to Kioti. More weight , more lift, and loaded inside and out. We also have great dealers near by (Ontario Canada) I have put 200 hours on my tractor in the last year with ZERO issues. Would definitely buy again.
You sure you weren’t in southern South Korea? Almost all of their production and HQ is centered around Daegu and Changnyeong which is a satellite town of Daegu (Taegu for you old timers).
They have a sales campus in Seoul but that’s the only thing north that I’m seeing on their page (and I knew to look for it as I’ve driven past it several times on the way to medical clinic in Gangnam).
I really like what Kioti is doing lately and I own a Kubota.. they seem to be listening to tractor owners in their wants and needs.. for the longest time I have been saying that Kubota needs to put out a full glass factory cab with heat and AC on their smaller tractors such as the BX and the B series but they refuse to do it and want to upsell you to their new Lx series.. which is a nice tractor but for some people it’s just a tad too large for what they need.
Also I have always wished they would upscale the BX a bit or make an inbetween model between the B series and bx series.. kioti on the other hand has done ALL of this! All the wishes for Kubota I had are being done on Kioti.. Kubota needs to start listening more to their consumers. They do make EXTREMELY tough and reliable machines which is proven and why they can charge more and that’s ok.. but it would be nice if they did a little more digging on what owners said and implement that more .. now they can’t be upset when a company like Kioti fills all the gaps they could have easily done themselves!
I bought a new ck a year ago. The specs and the feature list and also the price are far better with Kioti!! I’m very happy with mine!
Recently after about a year of research and comparison, I picked up a Kioti CK3520SEH CAB. I anticipate it will be the one and only tractor I will ever own, so I did put a lot of thought into the purchase. I got several implements and attachments to use with it that I wouldn't have been able to afford if I had gone JD or Kubota. It could have been TYM or LS, but the Kioti dealer seemed the best to work with service wise. Dealer distance had a bit to do with the decision as well.
Glad to hear it!
We have a Kioti RX7320 power shuttle we bought new in 2020. AWESOME tractor! We had a small Kioti years ago that was a BEADT for its size. Love the Kioti tractors.
I agree. Those forestry mulchers are the bees knees.
BX23 owner and I love it except the FEL lift capacity is very disappointing probably around half what is stated.
Couldn't agree more on colors. I just recently got a Kubota L3560 cab model Had there been a Kioti dealer close to me I would have considered them as well. I will say I had Zero issues selling my Previous kubota L2501hst for top dollar. It didn't last a week on the market. Kubota and John Deere will always have the best resale value and quickest sale IMO. Keep up the good content.
Love my 2017 KL2610 that I bought new. Have never had the 1st problem with it. Kioti's rock!!
I got a Bobcat, which is just about a rebadged Kioti. It was $8000 less than a comparable Kubota and $10000 less than a JD. Bobcat gave you the loader free if you paid cash. JD only offered a $300 cash discount and Kubota $800. I think the structure at Kubots and JD is to give you fake cheap financing, get you hooked on a service agreement, and sell you some insurance. I called bobcat , told what I wanted, they said we can deliver that on Thursday, they unloaded and I gave them a check. It was easier than shopping at home depot.
Maybe instead of sueing your competition, Kubota should listen to their customers. Kubota is a very reliable brand but they need to vastly improve their compact line. Kubota compacts are to light in the chassis and fall way short in FEL capacity. Korean tractors have way more standard features and transmission choices. Kubota nickle and dimes you for common sense features i.e. floor mat, economy pto, cruise control, extendable links, tilt steering, arm rest, comfortable seats etc.... Kubota will continue to lose business in the compact market unless they can up their game and lower their prices. Big ag tractors will always sell but the compact tractor market is mostly small hobby farmers who are on strict budgets. The korean tractors are proving to be very hard working, reliable machines.
It’s what big corporations do.
I chose Kubota because of the dealership
The brand didn’t matter to me, but the dealership did
I don’t know if KIOTI is a copycat, but I bought a KIOTI. It’s specs dominate the “equivalent” Kubota.
I have the NX4510 cab hst front end loader. Bought it as chore tractor for around my small farm. Not intending to use it farm work I have other tractor for those tasks. For fun I hooked my 9' haybine up to my NX4510 and cut hay with it and I was impressed. I underestimated its weight and power. Kiotis are well built and heavy duty.
Nice, good field report
I have a 2015 NX4510 and keep breaking stuff on it. 3400 hours. Hood latch fell off last week: baling wire fix. Backoe sub-frame cracked: used a 3" C-channel liner welded back in. Both forward and reverse potentiometers have been replaced. The fuel filter is not up to par: new injectors and fuel metering pump; $1700 at dealer. Pins for the front bucket keep breaking the oval retainers: weld them again and again...... Starter wire curcuit failed: jump the starter solenoid with needle nose pliers until I find the wire break. Suction hose leaked air into hydraulic suction line: replace hose with two clamps on each side to correct. Coolant hoses dripping: tighten clamps and keep filling the reservoir (head gasket?). Door latch failed twice ($280 a pop): used baling twine loop. A/C quit last Summer: mice got in the roof; remove roof and clean them out, sanitize, plug holes where they got in. I called Kioti and left messages for assistance, but no reply. They don't seem to have a Service Representative. The dealer has nice people, but I'm glad I bought the $200 Shop Manual. I don't like Kubota's F/R pedal. It has caused accidents. I own and operate a working ranch where I use this machine every day for multiple purposes. It's a light duty tractor for gentlemen farmers. I'm currently shopping Case, New Holland, Massey. Buy USA. The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten: Benjamin Franklin.
@@GB-mp6ws 3400 hours and backhoe. Sounds like you are putting it to heavy use. Mine only has 80 hours in 2 years. I have other much bigger heavier older tractors to do farm work. I cut hay with it this year because the air went out on my hay tractor 85 Case 1394. Handled hay equipment very well better than i thought it would. I only use my Kioti to mow, clean driveways spray and lift pallets. I bought it for $36000. The equivalent Deere was $58,000. Im happy with it.
Looking into becoming a Kioti Dealer myself. Great overview
The Kioti factory in Wendell NC is just 5 miles down the road from me. I see all of their models lined up all the time ready to be shipped out. I really would love to walk through and tour it one good time....
I bought a Kioti 2 years ago. Really love it. And would do it again for sure 👍🏻👍🏻
If I'm not mistaken, Kubota still uses steer axles made by Daedong, and they still use technology co-developed with Daedong. They need to quit complaining about someone else showing the NA market how much we get overcharged for branding.
Know they use the Czechoslovakian Belarus axle that's been in use since the early 1960s.
Those axles are almost bulletproof, but they are limited to about 75 hp, and can hold more dead weight on top of them than any other design.
Until till about 2005 you could cross reference the Kubota part with the Belarus on the ring and pinion and axle housings and all seals and bushings.
I've hauled small tractors from one of the assembly plants .
They assembled Kubota, Kioti, Bobcat, New Holland and I believe one or two others.
They all look almost identical. The same plant.
I don't know, I'm a truck driver, I just make the wheels go round.
In my area there are no nearby Kioti dealers but lots of Kubota dealers. Purchase price happens once, service happens every year that you own the tractor. Transportation to dealer isn’t cheap. Do the numbers over the long haul.
Allis Chalmers has entered the chat🍊
Hehe
Back in the day, when you ordered a Farmall, you could get that tractor in many colors. Green and black one can be found in a few collections.
Proud of my DK5310HSE... Ive out it thru some tough work and its never let me down. Need to get a second speeco hitch for it since ive got one on my old Ford 2N. Gotta get some things figured out first though.
DK's are awesome
I have my dads '94 kioti 2554 and it has been one of the most trouble-free machines i have ever been around. It has a original kioti loader and my dad bought a bush hog 3pt backhoe and he designed and built his own subframe for the hoe and for the tractor and that little 25hp tractor has done some amazing work. Whats amazing to me is at only 25hp its the same physical size as modern 35-45hp tractors
have the kioti compact 25 hp tractor with front loader and mower deck. Love it!!
When I looked for a tractor my biggest must have was, gear drive, and Kubota was the only brand in my area that had that option.
The resale value on my MX5100 is really good, it was one of the last tractors that didn't have DEF.
I have both a Kioti CK2620 and a TYM T264. I love them both, and they are awesome tractors. The Kioti CK2620 is a beast of a machine for the cost. I am very happy with the purchase of it earlier this year.
That lawsuit from Kubota against Kioti had only one winner, the lawyers. 🙂
Courtney, I loved your comment on knowledge and time changes opinions. I love how you are expanding your horizons with tractor brands now, just how you have done for many years with attachments and implements. Many benefit from you doing that. Hope you and Chris are doing great, always!
I just picked up a CK2620 also and it's awesome and very capable for the money. Just don't Google "CK2620 horsepower increase".
The deer blind walked off. 😊
Great talk Courtney!
I have a Kioti CK 2620 I love it!
Kubota is simply riding on their name. Inferior loader lifting capacity. Inferior weight for traction. Inferior 3 point lift. And for a similarly optioned kioti the kubota will be 10k more. For nothing gained over kioti. Kioti for the win.
I think that the reason why every tractor manufacturers out there stick to a specific colour is so people can identify them miles away while those machines are working in the field compared to car manufacturers where we get to stand right next to their product and look at the emblem with close to no effort...
Older Koti tractors were built under license by Kubota in Korea 25 years ago. I have a 24 year old Koti that is 90% identical to Kubota.
Also have a 5 year old Kubota.
Both are great tractors.
Kioti is taking market share from Kubota fast, and they are stepping up their game now with the new RX40 series and the HX. I look forward to seeing what they can do with these.
I think the engineering is better on the Kubota than the Kioti. I own a Kioti, and while I love it's features It has some design and engineering issues. #1, it doesn't have enough cooling. #2 V-Belts? Still? #3 easily damaged parts (I've ripped off my gas tank skid, broke off the magnet in the oil filter, busted the 3-point hitch but it still works, shattered a door, etc...) Every Tractor has issues though but I will say that the Kioti is probably a bit over priced and the Kubota is probably appropriately priced. I'm sure if I had to live with a Kubota I'd find faults with it too.
Always thought Kioti was better for the money. Whenever I’m in the market again, It’s going to be Kioti!
I’m happy with my CK2610. Had the dealer adjust the brakes and transmission linkage at 50 hours but all is well. Use it to maintain the property and its move 1/3 cord of greenwood.
I have one of each. Too early to offer an unbiased opinion though. I’ve had my Kubota L3130 for around 13 or 14 years and I just got the Kioti 3510 chse about a month ago. Both were purchased used. Kubota is GST and Kioti is HST. The Kubota is physically larger because it’s a Grand L so it feels more stable and less bouncy. I can’t deny the cab on the Kioti though.It’ll be living in the snow belt midstate Michigan along lake Michigan.
Whats with the footage of that shredder? Just to tempt me?
Haha, maybe!
Looks like you fixed the Kioti's lazy eye, thank you. Was driving me nuts! lol
Haha
Your background, big storm rolling in?
Kioti has been great for us, motor/attachments and availability of parts/service. Top notch so far
I think colors were used to identify the brands working in the field. And for John Deere, the colors do mean something, green for growth and yellow for harvest. As for the others, Farmall were gray and then changed to red, Ford also were gray and then changed to red and light gray and then to blue, Allis Chalmers orange and were probably gray in the early days. Ferguson were known as the "Little Gray Fergies" in the UK. Manufacturers went away from the gray to help identify their brand when working in the field and for looks.
If the current kioti is as good as my 22 year old DK75 Daedong then I recommend, the work this thing has done is beyond amazing and still going strong ! best investment I ever made. My advice is get the right size bigger is better. I wish they made an in between size of the 75 and 100 hp.
Really liking my CK 2620, only had it for 2 months and only have 4 hours on it. Why didn't someone tell me, once you own a tractor, youll never have time to use it!
I have a kubota L3200…….needed a headlight bulb so I pulled out the factory one that was blown to get a number off it. Kioti 12v25w/25w is all that is written on the bulb
my 19 year old kioti ck30 has been an absolute workhorse. my next tractor will be a kioti as well.
Wish I could consider kioti. Dealer support sucks near me. 45 minutes to a good JD or Kubota dealer or 2+ hours to a halfass kioti dealer.
Move?
@@LostinmyAmazingness yea, damn what was I thinking. I should move so I’m closer to a particular tractor dealer. Thats brilliant…. Oh wait if I move so Im near the tractor dealer it puts me further away from a car dealer I use.
@Polack-ml9fh ya you know how easy it is to just pack up your whole life and move just to be closer to a tractor dealer. Makes so much sense right?
@@Polack-ml9fhin some places there are tractor dealers across from the car dealer. Problem solved. You’re welcome.
Back in the early 2000s l bought a kiot 3515 and from what I understand Kubota sold kioti the castings add molds to build tractors and you can see the similarities from older kubota's
Color is also protected in insulation. Owens Corning "own" the color pink for insulation. They use the Pink Panther as their mascot. No one else is allowed to make pink insulation
My brother bought a Kioti and it spent more time in the shop than in the field during the first year he owned it. Every time I borrowed his tractor to use on my small farm something on it broke, all covered by warranty not abusive use, and it constantly overheated due to dust in the filter and radiator. When I bought a tractor I bought a similar sized Kubota, and told the dealer all the problems my brother had, the dealer wouldn't say anything bad about Kioti even saying Kioti was a good tractor and that my bother's problems were unusual in his opinion. I have had my Kubota for over a year and no shop time and no overheating problems doing the same work as the Kioti only harder since its my tractor.
Glad to hear of your experience with your Kubota. I did a video helping out a guy who had a nightmare with his Kubota that sounds similar to your brother's Kioti experience. It can and will happen with all manufacturers.
Kioti is the KIA of tractors, Kubota is the Toyota of tractors. Most people will know this reference
There’s a European tractor company ( Vultra ) that’s well known for having any color you want. That was their selling point for awhile in the early 2000’s, “comes in any color”.
VALTRA !!!!
Ha ha ha, funny you picked the Ford configration site for color options given your past history with Ford's. Your point on Tractor is a tractor however (unless you dig into spec's) is a point taken. Full disclosure; own a Kubota (sub-compact) and am happy. Maybe would be as well with a Kioti .... neighbor has one and is happy with it.
PS: I'm in Canada so while I love your input .... it's just perspective for me and I appreciate that.
Kioti Tractors lift considerably more than comparable sized Kubota tractors and are heavier. I have been considering a new compact 35-40 HP tractor and the Koiti is just more tractor for the money. I could care less about the color, other than the Kubota paint job stinks, as they fade terribly. Kubota and JD offer the benefits of more dealerships and a larger volume of parts in the USA.
well said ty Sir
I don’t see how Kubota has a leg to stand on. The last time I compared the two side by side, the Kioti was clearly the more innovative product. First the Kubota pedals, yikes, what’s that about. But besides that, the Kioti model in my price bracket was just better thought out. Fluid filters, fill ports, dipsticks, drain locations, all better laid out. Kubota’s model was not bad, but Kioti’s was better - and clearly thought out - it wasn’t accidental. The front steering mechanism again was better protected, which is good when dealing with brush. Color, Kioti is clearly more reddish than orange, it’s just not the same. Hood design, really it’s a tractor and must work with a FEL in place. Form follows function. The 3 point hitches, well they are 3 point hitches just like everyone else - that seems facetious but it is pertinent. Tractors need certain things, weight, ground clearance, ability to take attachments. The “body” metalwork is just there to keep the rain off the engine, allow access, and not interfere with the FEL. They are pretty much the same, some fit better, some are green and made from plastic. They all do their job.
Daedong used to do the sheet metal stamping of hoods, body and rear fenders for Kubota. My 2000 model Kioti LK-3054 had the same sheet metal parts as the sub compact Kubotas of that time period even the model LK was really close to Kubota L. The paint scheme was orange and dark blue, same as Kubota. So yes Kioti copied Kubota back then, and created brand confusion for sure.
FWIW, My 2000 model Kioti was a great tractor and really strong for its size. I replaced it with a Kubota due to a lack of parts availability for the 20 year old Kioti. At 20 years it had 1500 hrs but I could not find a replacement hydraulic pump for it. Power steering would quit working after 45 minutes of loader work on a 80 degree day. My local Kioti dealer stated that parts would have to come from South Korea if available and may be Deadong labeled (During Covid 2020). Might be interesting to see how much warehouse space in Wendell,NC Kioti has compared to past years. Compare with Kubots parts support growth and JD over the same period of time.
Parts availability has always been my worry with a smaller or “newer” brand like Kioti
Early Koti tractors were built under license with Kubota.
Ive always been a Kubota guy and always will be but i must say Kioti is a very affordable and well valued machine and very capable too The Kubota Dealer I deal with from time to time has been easy to work with and very knowledgeble one thing i wish kubota would do is have the 3rd function standard and offer a gear transmission on the LX series 8 gears or more. And lower the prices down. The reason i may stick with kubota is the dealers close by ease of buying parts and reliability from my experience. Both are exellent I ran a 1025 John Deere sub compact once i was not impressed with it in fact id favor my gravely 8199kt. I am thinking of getting the Kubota LX2620 model with the front loader but Kioti is on the radar of others im looking at too but the Kioti dealer is a longer drive.
I like Kubota over Kioti as the hydraulics better with loader. I work at a dealership that sells Kioti and I own a Kubota and would buy again over them.
Not sure if anyone mentioned it before, or if it can be verified but: legend has it that Kioti was formed by former Kubota employees/engineers?
Kioti is a great tractor - my kind of orange!
Screw Kubota. They got too big of an ego now. I was shopping tractors not even 6 months ago and MULTIPLE Kubota dealers were abysmal. WELL over MSRP pricing on Kubotas - not a single one was even near sticker, which is absurd as it is. Ended up going with a Kioti NS and unbelievably happy with that choice. Kioti for life now. I even have a diesel mower and K9 from them and they've been great.
Had I have bought the Kubota I would have been nickled and dimed on everything, even the accessories I've bought since.
"biggest in history" is a headline to make it sound more severe. It was 2 million dollars. Kubota has a yearly revenue around 20 billion. It's just a government shakedown to pad their budget. Most large corporations get these fines for stupid stuff because the government knows it's cheaper to pay it than fight it.
I do know of some “color option” tractor history. John Deere in the 70s made a garden tractor called the “Patio” which had a white belly and options of Metallic blue, orange, red, or yellow bodywork.
White Tractors built the “American” series in the early 90s, you could order a tractor in Cockshutt Red, Oliver Green, MM yellow or white silver.
I believe NH did a special edition 8N tribute tractor at one point. Same color scheme, custom hood.
Not as cool as the old fords though, boy those are some beautiful old tractors.
Regarding the change, do I see a new to market implement hitched up?
Well I'm an ignoramus... I thought kioti was a chinese knock off... but knowing how much the Koreans and Japanese like each other... this makes tons of sense.
I think you should look at 4 in 1 front buckets as attachments they are the standard front buckets on tractors and skid steer machines in Australia, they are so versatile…🇦🇺🍺
we’ve got them for sale on our site!
The painton Kubota fades fast . Kubota does have options. But at higher prices that is stock features over seas . Not good for owners of a few years older machines and the options for third function or rear remotes is a big kicker if you want to upgrade from factory stock . Kioti is making big strides in the small tractor market and at a lower cost. From a mechanic that used to work at a Kubota dealership. As for buyers do your research and look into dealer support in your area. Find what is most cost effective for your needs.. Regardless of manufacturer!
what's more prone to breakage?? Tredle or Side-By-Side pedal??? Or is that info not in yet?
They both work fine
@ryangreenley4818 not for my feet and legs they don't!😅
Even though the colours look similar the tinters used to create the colours are different even though the colours do look very similar. So I think it is pretty hard to sue a company that uses a similar colour unless the exact paint tints were used to create the colour.
Look up Valtra tractors. They are unique in that you can order lots of different colors but in general it's not a big selling point for the extra work involved
Kioti brand is also sold in the UK
All that mulcher footage goodness. Do the tractor mounted ones work as well... hum.... More on topic. I have an L3400 (kubota) which seems to me to be one fantastically reliable and durable machine. as it has survived 7 years of my ignorance being my first tractor. I've also a recently inherited a JD 2305 which is primary a snow blower. I'm afraid to do much else with Least it break transmission. lots of questionable points on that, from the undocumented grease fittings that, if not taken care of, blow out the trans at 500hrs, to the weak transmission housings, to the valve covers that shatter and blow up the engines (ok thats a 1025/1026 issue, but it looks like the 2305 is made the same) Several of my friends have Kioti's as thats the local dealer around here and, all more in line with the size of the JD, they seem much more solidly built than the 2305. I'd pickup a same sized Kioti over a JD any day of the week.
I would've bought a kioti but there's no dealers anywhere near me. It's really a shame that small manufacturers aren't spreading out more.
What do you think about the kioti rx7320 and now rx7340
power tool companies also are identified by colour. Dewalt yellow, Milwaukee Red, etc.
the clouds in the sky over your right shoulder changed.
I must be misunderstanding your slide about the 1-4 series Deeres. Besides the yamar engines many of the tractors are built in Georgia with American made parts. If anyone wants to enlighten me please proceed
They still use many, many international parts as well. The BOM has thousands of parts on it.
Lots of Kubota haters on here. I spent the extra $$$ and purchased a Kubota L4802. I wanted the higher build quality, and much more expansive dealer network and parts availability in my area.
After owning tractors and construction grade equipment. Buy your dealer, not your color. But that’s my opinion. Cheers 🍻
I wools like to see your opinion amd possibly review on TYM brand compared to Kioto! Daedong is parent company of TYM I believe are they still owning kubota as well?
I had been looking for a few years for a tractor and i looked at all of them.. i went to kubota, deere,yanmar, new holland and i made phone calls to dealers.. I called apple farm services and they asked if i looked at the kioti and i hadn't other than my cousins 80's kioti that has a few thousand hrs on it and nothing in English.. so in 2020 i bought a kioti ck2610hst with 66" loader for $19k delivered and 0% intrest absolutely 0 issues with 400hrs on it now and id buy another in a heartbeat
Kioti here in Australia as well.
Sure love my kioti
Automotive and other industries still have their specific shades of colors, for instance if you take a Chevy pickup and paint it ford’s Harley orange and black theme you could technically be sued for it if it’s to spec and body shops/paint vendors have to have rights to the patented paint codes
After working on both for nearly a decade, kubotas are far nicer. Night and day difference in quality, ergonomics, and serviceability
I am waiting delivery on my new Kioti DK6020se Cab. Watching many videos about Kubota and Kioti my decision came down to dealer support and the I just did not like the treadle pedal on the Kubota. The red barn went up quick, wish mine was built that quickly...take it you changed position?
Colors of electric hand tools are also brand specific to the top brands. Think red, blue, or yellow tool brands
I have some late 70s Makita saws and grinders that are red.😅
I think Milwaukee stopped that.
Bobcat was bought out and stoped using kubota for their tractors and skid-steers and that’s when kubota started offering skidsteers and now we have bobcat/kioti/dosoon(end of the “made in America” bobcats)… there’s old wounds I’m sure with losing the engine sales…
Hungry hungry hippo with that mulcher (I want one now) and very Moses like parting a sea of weedy trees. Hope something like will get cheaper and light enough to hook up to my 2 Kioti's (NX/CX) cabs.
Mulchers are awesome, but so far, I've only seen the prices go up
Kioti is just a better tractor. The only thing Kubota has over Kioti is the number of dealerships/shops.
Allis is the og orange, Kubota is the next one up. Kioti riding allis and Kubota azz but I’d try a kioti though. Imma be open minded. They look fresh.
I like the Kioti 2520 over the Kubota BX23s.
Support for kioti in my area left me disappointed
Finally dumped my kioti and bought a kubota 2601
Never look back
I think it would be a nightmare to be able to order your tractor in different colors. I don't think they have enough production to be able to do that cost effectively.