I recently purchased a used tractor that hit 4 of the 5 categories to avoid. I purchased an IH Cub Lo-Boy 185 on an auction. It is a 2 wheel drive, no loader, made by IH about a half century ago with very few parts available from Case-IH. It is exactly what I was looking for - mid mount mower and 3 point hitch. I have just over $2,000 invested in it and it does exactly what I wanted it for. At that price point, I can't go wrong. BTW, I am a retired farmer with a 100 hp tractor that I kept when I retired that I use for big jobs around the 35 acres that I have. My needs were different than most Thanks for the video
The 2320 wasn't the only tractor with driveshaft problems. Back in 2009, I bought a new 2009 2720 John Deere. Gave great service mostly cutting grass with belly mower, when at 122 hrs on the clock the transmission housing shattered right at the point where the output shaft for the front driveshaft connects to. No warranty left on tractor because then it was a 2 year warranty and had surpassed 2 years by one month. Ended up selling for scrap because the dealer told me it would cost more than what is worth to repair it. Never bought another Deere.
In 2018 we were looking for a subcompact tractor. We looked at Deere 1025R and Massey GC1710. Deere was $26K, Massey was $21k. Obviously we went with Massey and have absolutely no regrets.
I love your transparency. I’m glad I got my Kubota 2502 with front loader and backhoe. Also, I love the versaforks I got for it! I’m in a very hilly area just 30 miles outside of Yosemite National park, so 4wd is an absolute must!
2021 was interested in the T25 by TYM , Didnt realise at the time no dealers were close by here in Ohio , i found out TYM built the same tractor for rural king the RK25 , So far no regrets and the RK service team is top notch if needed !
I'm the two-wheel drive exception. I've got a 2WD New Holland TC35, bought it new in 2002, use it for one purpose, mowing the pasture, and have never once needed 4WD. However, I still agree with you, I've got a Bobcat TC40 with a front-end loader for all the other stuff and can't imagine not having 4WD on that one.
I will say just like anything these days just type in what your looking for and say problems or issues in the Google search! I appreciate ya for doing this ! I see tons of issues with newer vehicles etc. Just like the thing about the auction I saw people at dealerships send stuff purposely to the auction that was junk. Maybe things have changed a bit now but I would stay away. Most like anything these days proper maintenance goes a long ways. My favorite thing is finding the right thing for the right equipment. It doesn't take long with a little research beforehand to find issues or compare features. The one thing I was surprised about JD is the lack of remotes and for what ya pay it's pretty ridiculous.
@@dougmcmurray4797 Call the local sherrif and ask them to check it out. I bought a trailer from a local national chain pawn shop. Took it home, tried to license it which required a VIN check. Sure enough, it was hot. That same sherrif was very helpful in getting my money back from the pawn store. They were not eager to do so. But if SN tags or data plates are missing, stay away from it.
Totally agree with what you're saying here. I lost all love for John Deere long ago. I would add a comment about two-wheel drive tractors in that putting a FEL on any of them is a waste of time and money. In my opinion these are simply lawn mowers and should be treated and used as such. Especially when it comes to the smaller lawn and garden machines such as the John Deere 4X5 series. With FELs installed they are toys usually purchased by pretend farmers. Great for mowing grass and maybe blowing a 100-foot flat driveway but IMHO that's it. I think Deere made a big mistake even implying these machines are capable of this type of work. Great video.
Great information presented here, Courtney, thank you. We applied many of these concepts when researching a compact tractor and ultimately purchasing our TYM T25 two years ago. It has been a great tool for us and the grapple we purchased from you a few months back has added a whole world of functionality. Thank you for giving us user-based experience to aid in purchasing decisions.
I had zero tractor experience. I retired to a 20 acre place in the Ozarks in 2013. I looked at Kubota, Kioti and JD tractors but had no idea what I was looking at , questions to ask or what to look for. I decided I liked what I saw with JD. In 2015 the dealer pushed me toward the 1025R. I'm extremely happy with it. It came with the bucket, rotary cutter and rototiller. I later bought the Mid Mount Mower, rake and forks and a neighbor gave me her large box blade. It has been very reliable and does everything I have asked from it since arrival. I have thought it might be better to have more power but being retired I'm not needing to do things faster. There's a few things JD did that kind of suck like the positions of the key, light switch and battery but overall I love working with it.
1025r is a weak little piece of shit! I worked at a JD dealer for 7 years and we had so many issues with them! Valve cover would break sending pieces of it into the engine, trans will leak at some point more than likely and the 4wd driveshaft coupler is weak and they are just low quality and the loaders for what they are are pretty weak. I will agree they do mow pretty good but that's about it.
I shopped every brand I could for months before I pulled the trigger on a buy. I started with JD and was not impressed. I wound up buying a TYM 2515h with a loader, box blade, and a brush hog. I couldn't be happier with the machine
I found a New Holland TC24D years ago without a loader. It took looking high and low to find a loader, I did it but would not recommend it either. Still have it and love it.
I love my 2014 John Deere 2025R. It does everything I ask of it, snow pushing, snow blowing, brush mowing, finish mowing, discing, lifting, scraping and planting. I absolutely love my 2025R! But what's good for one man isn't necessarily true for the next.
@@GoodWorksTractorsI have the 2nd gen. It is a great tractor with a couple mods. 1, bora wheel spacers and 2, I had my dealer dial up the hydraulic pressure for the loader. JD purposely reduces the capacity 20% and I had it dialed up. I can lift 1200lb pallets of rock now.
Just picked up a 2021 JD 1025r with 380 hours on it. Has loader, heated cab, 47" snowblower. They were asking $25,600. Talked them down to $22,500. It was at a local lawn and garden care family business that sells tractors, lawn mowers. I am very happy with it so far. Looking forward to using it this winter for snow removal on my hobby farm.
Add to your list tractors without safety equipment (ROPS) Also I sold my 30hp 2wd tractor to buy a 17hp 4wd tractor with a loader. Best decision ive made
I would agree with your 5 types to avoid except for #5 and the out of production models. Alot of them have been around for 40, 50, 60, or even 70 years old and they still keep clicking right along. Look at a 8n, or a 2000 / 3000 ford, a 4020JD, 1066 IH etc. Now I think you were meaning tractors 30 years old or less as alot of those are hard to get parts for and yes you have to be mechanically inclined to own a older tractor but like a 8n you can get a restored one for $5k or less and its a great mowing, plowing, or pto tractor
I agree with you except 90% or more of folks getting into tractors aren’t mechanically inclined enough to be able to or want to wrench on those old boys. So, that type was primarily geared towards them.
@GoodWorksTractors I will agree 100% most tractor owners while may have the know how they don't have the desire to have a older machine, and most everyone who buys one of those knows what they are getting into and are ok with it
I grew up farming with a Ford 3000 and a Super Dexter. Ended up selling the Dexter and loader back 30 years ago. Kept the 3000 and bought a 4100. I've kept the Ford 4100 and parts are sometimes iffy but its been a workhorse since we've had it. Grew tobacco, corn, and cattle. I helped some buddies on their 5000+ acre farm op in TN and used some of the newer big equipment but I love the older stuff myself.
I live in an area where there's quite a few dealers nearby (Texas). Up north when I lived in Ohio, I was really only exposed to a few brands. Down here. Really opened up my eyes. I ended up getting a Kioti. But I cross shopped Mahindra and a few others. I can tell you up north that I would have been mocked for even looking at anything that was not a Case, JD, etc. However, I was quite impressed. Especially with what you got for the dollar. I've owned that thing for awhile now and it gets quite a bit of a use, but I'm also meticulous on maintenance. Great Machine..
Great video young man!! Never owned a John deere tractor but bought a Agra Cat without loader found a compact loader 2.000 dollars my neighbour mounted the loader looked like factory worked amazing would lift crazy amount of weight but the front spindles wouldn't hold of to the loader after replacing 3 of them i sold tractor. I've had several tractors. Just bought a new kioti ck3520se shuttle shift tractor i truly love this tractor it's so enjoyable to work with. Thanks for sharing be safe have fun
I am overall pleased with my subcompact Massey Ferguson (Iseki) GC1723 E. I bought it in 2/2021 and have over 100 hours on the diesel engine. Good specs and reliability for the cost. Be gentle with the loader joystick. The connectors to the hydraulic valves are undersized. I am pleased for my small 3 acres. I can pull implements and put forks or bucket in the front which helps me maintain my property. Only desired modification is one of those Pat’s quick hitches for the lower 3 point. I think I would have preferred the predictable 3 point lever that Yanmar has on their subcompact especially if I was doing heavy landscape operations. The local Yanmar dealer didn’t have any machines for me to see so I didn’t bother buying. The PTO is plenty powerful for my tiller. If you want to lift heavy things with the forks (more than ~500 lb), I would step up to a compact size. GC can lift around 900 lbs but that’s at the pins. Once the load gets further out, it becomes dicey and you also want the 4WD on and some heavy rear ballast.
I definitely understand your position on the 2025R. I own one with rim guard and wheel spacers for a small farmstead. 2 reasons I picked it were extra ground clearance and wanting to stay in the 25hp range to keep simplicity of not having exhaust treatment. It is perfect for what I need and I love having it. But unless someone has very specific reasons such as mine I would recommend a different tractor.
I'm a John Deere guy and I agree with you 100%. Never understood the 1 1/2R thing either for all the same reasons. I've been saying the same thing about 3E's as well. I have smaller hands and can touch my thumb and ring finger around the boom cylinders of a 300x loader. That's pathetic, same diameter as the 120R loader. The 3R's on the other hand fix that problem and a host of the other 3E issues. I love my 1025R and think it punches above it's weight and has done everything I've asked it to do including stuff I probably shouldn't have done although the small tires have been a problem a few times. My other JD is a 5075E premium cab and love it, it's a beast. My biggest issue with it is that it has a fast grabby clutch. The loader is awesome.
1250 John Deere I bought a used 1250 did work on it trying to get it in working condition. Engine locked up suddenly without warning. I bought a new TYM 574H. Love it. I have put 55 hours on it and it is a joy to operate. Did my 50 hour service and regular service.
Great video, my first tractor was a 3032e and you are correct in the limit it can perform. Most of the time it worked great, but there were a few times I wish I had a different one that could lift more. I now run a cab 3033r and it is truly a much better machine than my 3032e.
So glad to see you back on the platform, at least occasionally. I know it's a PITA and very time consuming to make videos, and maybe the return on that investment doesn't justify the work for you, but I really miss seeing your videos!
I love my JD 3038E, but you are correct about some of the limitations. I feed smaller round bales (~750 lbs) and the 3E lifts those fine. I had a great deal on some larger 1200lb round bales and had to resort to the 3pt spear to move them around and stacking was not going to happen with the 3E.
I will Post a Video, my 3E will lift a 1 Ton Pallet of Pellets out of my truck and put into storage container and take it back out as needed. 1 ton of pellets plus the pallet, plus the Fork plate and the fork tines. It's lifting and moving a Long Ton. The 3E series Changed a lot in 2018 with a combo direct and metered injection as well. If He would admit it, Courtney has sold MANY E series tractors, and if they sucked, He wouldnt do that!
I just purchased my 1st Tractor a 2024 LS MT573 with a 3rd function installed and 7ft Rotary tiller, 7ft Box Blade, Stump Buster Bucket and a Grapple Bucket for 65k and the Extended warranty covers Bumper to bumper for 6 years no hour limit and that applies to the Implements also. A New Holland Power Master 75 was $1,600 more for just tge Tractor J.D and Kubota was 11- 22k more for just the Tractor and loader. My dealer has been around for Decades.
You hit the nail on the head about the JD 3E series. Lack of power and not the best bang for the Buck. Works well for me with basic applications in Michigan but I could have done better.
So happy I decided early on that 4WD was what I wanted. It really came home this Spring when I was rolling my yard with a 640lb roller. My NH WM25S wouldn’t pull it up my slope. What the heck? It did last year! Then I realized I was in 2WD. Shift to 4WD, problem solved. No more issues. I have seen other 25 HP units I might have liked better but in 2020 when I bought it, small tractors were hard to come by and my NH dealer was the only guy who told me, “I don’t have one tractor on my lot, but I’ll find you one!” And he did in a matter of days. This little blue beastie has been as reliable as it can be and has done whatever I have asked of it. I’m happy with it.
Seeing how JD is treating farmers with their $500,000 machines and now giving the American workers the triple middle finger and moving to Mexico JD can pound sand in my opinion, no green for me, means no green for JD.
I agree, but some of the blame comes from the union members who are just as greedy as management with their demands these days. Like it or not, labor is still a large part of a new machine. Not saying I'm justifying their moves but they have to stay competitive or go broke. And that's no longer possible in the US.
John Deere already has factories in Mexico. They're just moving production. Still. I don't agree with their decision. There's other things to consider. The Gates plant in Iowa is also laying off workers. They make belts for John Deere. They have to cut back on production.
I have a 3025E and I love it no problems easy to do maintenance on. I have a ranch and rarely have to run it above idle. Even if im digging. Ive had Ford and IH and its the best tractor ive ever had
Shopped around, did a ton of research and made the decision to go with TYM. Namely the T25, and literally by every metric, it out performed JD and Kubota 25hp series by nearly double, and it was more than 20% cheaper than them. No brainer! I'm impressed by it every day. I worked it hard for 1.5 years now and had no issues. Zero regrets!
While my tractor works for me, I made several of the mistakes mentioned in this video. I make it work, but the loader, the 4 wheel drive, are two of the biggest things I need.
Bobcat dealer is 3 miles down my road so I went with a CT1025, bucket loader and 60" belly mower for 19,500 out the door. Its been perfect for my 3 acre property.
I sell John Deere, and I have to agree. Problem is Deere is trying to capture basic tractor sales, but not selling them cheap enough. Best to buy a R or M model and get what you pay for.
I had a Deere sub-compact, but after I purchased 50 acres of raw land, I needed something bigger. After my research, I knew I'd never buy another Deere. Most brands are similar, but I had what specs and attachments were a must, and then I had a radius I wouldn't pass. I have a Kubota fairly close to me, and just inside the radius, I have a Kioti and New Holland dealership. With Kioti I purchased the NS4710 with a cab and 4 attachments for several thousand less than a comparable Kubota stripped.
I haven't seen you in a while. Thanks for your opinion. My suggestion is to know what you are going to do or plan on doing with your tractor and then research each brand. Kubota (which I own) and John Deer are not the only tractors on the market. There are others that are as good or better for the job you are planning.
It was either deere or Kubota for me when i was shopping for a sub compact, couldn't get passed the tredle pedal though. so the 1025r is what i got and no regrets here.
I agree about the 2025r. I was looking to upgrade from my 1025r and couldn't understand the purpose of the 1025r. I paid a few extra bucks for the 2032r and the drive on/off mower deck is genius in my opinion.
When i bought my 3E in 2018, JD was the only onne with independent pedals. I hate tredal pedels. I could not justify the extra money for a 3R for no more seat time than I put in a year. JD had 3 local dealerships at the time, kabota did not. I bought the 3E because I could put my 70yr old dad or my 10 yr old grandson on it and not have to worry about them getting the tractor stopped if need be.
I went with ls because it had more lift capacities than Kubota and deere. Thousands cheaper. Full dealer near me with full repair shop so maintenance isn't an issue.
My first tractor was purchased without a loader so the dealer sold me a woods or Great Bend loader. It was strong but not built to handle its own strength. I got to know a local welder very well.
Agree with the assessment of the 3E series. The 3032E I had was dangerous. The lift capacity was incredibly underwhelming, and back tires would lift off the ground with very little on the front end.
I broke the drive for the front auger on my Kubota snowblower and it was under warranty. I grabbed the part from the dealer because they were very busy and did it myself. The shaft broke right at the transition from one dimension to the other and the first thing I noticed was the shaft didn't have a radius on it, it was a sharp 90 degrees. I brought it to the dealers attention and later received a letter thanking me for noticing the mistake from Kubota main office ( you never have a sharp 90 always put a small rad on it and it wont break there). Anyways they treat me excellent out there at Callahan's and to have the company recognize me was great. The only problem I have is rust and there is no reason for it with a simple and proper primer and paint. I also had all 4 tires loaded on my BX25
Kioti and other off brand compact and subcompacts appear to compete well in the market. If you plan to sit in the seat everyday then stick with Deere or Kubota due to dealer networks and parts availability. We started off with a Kioti 1153 PCC after 850 hours and many issues traded for a 6130R no more issues. We now run two 6130R’s a 5115R, 5100E, 3038E and a 7060 Kubota all 4x4. No issues with any of them and all are well supported by nearby dealerships who come to the farm to service them. I would stay away from the off brands for the larger ag production requirements. In some areas Massey and Case/IH are likely good options.
I bought a used JD 2240, no brakes, milky oil, 2 wheel drive... i got it pretty cheap and my father in law has helped me learn to turn a wrench on it. Needed something heavier than the kubota l3901 to do the round bales. The JD is a whole lot wider, and heavier which makes it really stable on the hill sides we are doing hay on. That being said i am definitely looking at older 4x4 gear driven tractors with loaders and a rollbar. I was always told we needed gear drive on our hills not hydro and the new models all seem to be hydro :(
My 2009 John Deere 3038E has been a good machine. The drawback is the loader lift capacity. I installed some larger lift cylinders that helped a lot. But, the trade off is slower working time lifting and loss of 6 inches lifting height. But , overall with 700 hours on the machine, I have done a lot of work with it and I am satisfied with it.
I have a JD 3035D gear drive. It’s a work horse, and I don’t regret buying it. That being said it was over priced, but JD is the only dealer around me. There is a Kubota dealer 40 miles from the the house. The JD dealer is 13 miles from the house. 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
I know the 2025r is a 1025r with greater ground clearance. That’s exactly why I wanted it. It’s just like a 1/2 ton truck with greater ground clearance. People who buy it know this. I wanted a 1025r TLB with greater ground clearance and more ballast capability. I only paid $1700 more to step up into the 2025r.
We bought a used 2020 new holland workmaster 25s with a 60 inch deck and loader in 2023 with 258 hours and we paid $15K for it. So far we have 400 hours on it and absolutely love it
I have quite a few tractors, from 1956 to 2023 year models. Mostly John Deere one old farmall and a new kubota. Brand is subjective and very dependent on your location. Support is very important whenever you buy anything that costs what equipment costs now days so make sure that whatever you get is supported in your area, outside of that it is very competitive and in recent rears we have been moving away from John Deere. Take from that what you choose, but our reason is our local corporate dealers focus on selling the subcompacts and leave mid size tractor hay and cattle farmers unsupported and on their own. In my opinion John Deere is on their way to loose significant market share with their current strategy.
The local Deere dealer nearest my house tried to screw me on my trade in. I went from a 2013 X738 to a new 2023 X758. I ended up using a Deere dealer further from my home but he did a great job handling the sale and meeting my trade value which I determined from the auction data. The dealer near me still doesn’t give a Dang about selling X Series tractors he’s focused on selling the $500,000 to $3,000,000 stuff. Customers all have different needs and as a dealer he needs to work to satisfy all customers. Never had any problems with my Deere products.
My 3039R (2022) was insanely expensive, but an impressive machine. I nearly bought a 2018 3038E before I knew better and I’m extremely happy that I didn’t do that.
Great, well thought out video. Personally, I would never own any tractor with "rocker" style hydro pedal (maybe type 6 not to own?), especially kubota. Not at all comfortable nor natural to operate.
I think you need to try a Solectrac my friend, fed my cows all winter last year with mine.......it's great, but I hear the same things about the company failing, and I'd tend to agree with ya on the purchase...the price point is just too high for a small farmer/homestead/orchard/greenhouse tractor. As for the thought that electric cars are a "fad" ...that's a bold statement my brotha. I predict we'll be making fun of gasoline powered cars in 50 years just like the Steam Locomotive......it's coming, electric cars/trucks and big rigs are coming. Politics are going to change shape now that Elon and Trump are teamed up.....6 months ago Trump was making fun of electric cars, now......he's Elon's biggest fan.....gonna be a shift in the politics of the EV soon, mark my words. Not my choice....but the EV is gonna be our new normal
I don't think electric cars are a fad, but there's a reason production is pausing and/or sales are slowing on many electric models. EV needs to get much more economical and practical. Not just the upfront purchase price, but battery range as well as replacement battery cost. I have no doubt it'll get there in the future and we gotta start somewhere.
How many people actually DO remove the loader? Stupid Statistic that means Nothing. Courtney will NOT say That he cannot KEEP a 3025 in Stock because they sell so fast.
As he sells tractors, I don’t see the logic in your statement. He won’t say he can’t keep a certain type of tractor on the lot…because it sells? He won’t say that why exactly?
Not sure I fully agree with your fifth category There are a ton of old long out of production tractors that are well supported with parts by their manufacturer still Green tractors come to mind, not only that often the build quality on older tractors is far better then that found on newer models
Very true. But with "Green" machines, what parts are still available come at a very high price. They really only sell what's left on their shelves for a specific model and once that is depleted, it's NLA. Green and yellow paint has become very expensive.
The 1025R small tires has low ground clearance, so i bought a 2025R new in 2020. Wanted a tractor i could take in the woods. The 1025R is not a woods tractor. Bought my 2025R new with a loader, 4 way bucket, backhoe, power angle snowplow and recently added forks. I agree it feels tippy and i should add wheel spacers. Other than that it has been a great machine, not one issue. I bought a John Deere cuz there are 2 dealers within 20 min of my house and they end up bidding against each other.
Pretty much the same story for me. I thought the small tire size and lower clearance wasn't the way to go, so I got the 2025R in 2020. I've never wished I had gotten the 1025R.
At the moment JD has a 170,000 recalls on their lawn tractors!??!?! I have never understood the attraction to JD equipment and currently you couldn't give me one! As a retired farmer I had two Case, one Massey Ferguson diesels and one IH gas when I sold the farm.
I just found your channel and wish I had found it earlier. I just purchased a 2003 JD 4100. Only 168 hours on it. I purchased from the widow of the original owner. Her husband got ill shortly after the purchase and would use it very little every year until his death. To your knowledge, is there anything I need to be cautious of while using this tractor? Any know issues that I need to be watchful of. It is my first tractor and don't plan on doing more than blowing snow and moving some yard waste around. Thanks for you feedback.
You've told that 2320 story a bunch, but it was a 2305 then. I believe they're similar driveshaft design. I greased my 2305 driveshaft when I got it and with the right tool it was very simple. I had to do some repairs on it at the start but now it's been bulletproof for me.
FYI, the John Deere 4400 tractor can accept the same loader as the current 3R series tractors, so a 320R will fit perfectly. There is no difference in the tractor frame from '00', '10', '20' series tractor models. In fact, the 300CX, H165, and 320R loaders are exactly the same except for the model decal.
Whew! I'll bet that was good therapy for you, Courtney, to get all that off your chest. 😊Glad to have the input for the rest of us, especially those in the market for a new ride in the near future.
I own a 10 year old JD 3025e and I work at a place that has the new JD 3033r. There are things I like more about each machine. My 3025e has way better visibility on the front. I can easily pick up pallets with . Meanwhile yesterday I was moving pallets with the 3033r and while sitting you can't see the forks at all. I kept having to stop and stand up and adjust the forks then sit back down and hope for the best. Yes the 3033r can lift more and that's one thing that is a downfall of the e series. But I think it really depends what you're doing with it. They are much less expensive than the r series so I don't expect as much out of it. It's my first tractor and someday I'll upgrade. There's a John Deere dealer a mile from my house so it's hard to go with another brand, if something breaks I have a repair shop right in town
The 2wd tractor with engine at the front is designed for towing equipment. A front loader, chains and a weight at the back, even 4x4 will be enough versatility for many. But a Loader is at another level. You will be able to do more effective work and actually heavy lifting with an old big yellow machine. So what is your needs. 2 machines gives you more options. Then an old machine do need more love. You need to be able to wrench. But for many that is what you can afford. Then the old stuff are built to last. And new stuff is just overcomplicated. A roof over your stuff is always good. But old cast iron is tough as hell. You just need to do the service and keep an eye on the batteries. I have come to the conclusion that every vehicle is made for a purpose and as long as you understand that, it will be just fine. Those things are just big tools. What tool do you need? Maybe you need a forklift, maybe a dumper, a big rigg. We are many who just want to have thing because it is fun. But more things means more time needed for repair and you know, the love everything needs. And money is involved. Then if you have a big farm you will probably want value for the money, it might mean the latest and biggest. At the business scale, everything is about the calculator.
The 2320 if you replace the drive shaft u joints with-in 400 hrs.' with greaseable U joints generally the transmission issues go away. The rear u joint when it fails it damages the trans axel.
OK, I have a 2021 2025R. First tractor I've ever owned. I love it, because I love having a tractor. I would like more capacity, more power. I do like the size though, because I have to maneuver around lots of trees.
I have a 2023 2025R and it’s been great, he said they suck going on small hills and I disagree. I have a bunch of rocky hills where I live and I point my nose down doing down and up going up and go over rocks and holes and it’s stable. I have not added spacers or liquid in my tires. I don’t use any counter weights and I fill my loader going up and down those hills. It’s my first tractor but I’ve worked on and used plenty due to my grandpa having gone through numerous tractors in my lifetime, I think at least 7-8 different of different kinds. My 2025R was going for a good deal, it had front loader, backhoe and I got a box blade because I didn’t need anything else at the time, should have gotten forks or a tiller. Lol, but I got mine for $23,000 because it was their moving to the next year model sale. Basically the same as the 2024 model but cosmetic differences and possibly something small elsewhere I don’t know. It’s a great tractor.
I’ve been tossing the idea of a TYM T574. 55hp HST option with cab with 3rd function for 37,000 and that’s with two standard remotes. I recently sold my 2021 John Deere 3033R with grapple pallet forks bucket and 72” deck with the load-n-go brackets for $27,000 only 113 hours. I feel I could’ve sold it higher but I didn’t have it listed. My question is have you ever had your hands on the TYM T574? Also I payed 38k for the 3033T in 2021 new from dealer. Crazy I can get a 55hp tractor that lifts over double the weight with loader with a cab for the same price. John Deere prices are digging their own grave.
I’ve got my sights on the same tractor only I’m getting gear shift and open station because I’m in the woods a lot on my 40 acres. Also my local dealer offers an up armor kit for an extra 2 G’s full skid plates underneath, around fuel tank, hydraulic pump/block, grill and side guards for the engine.
I have a 574 hst with a cab, loaded rears and a backhoe. Only issues in 140hrs have been a few loose hose clamps on the cooling system. They are an absolute beast and the Kukje, being mechanical injection, was the big selling point for me.
@@cwcweldingfabricationandrepair went to the dealer today to test drive one and I can’t say enough good about my experience with the dealer and the 574. What a smooth runner, shifts clean, runs smooth and quiet. It’s like driving a new truck really impressive machine. If anyone has had interest in one of these machines I suggest to go get on one because internet stats and videos only go so far.
i have the mahindra 2660 which is basically the same tractor with a mahindra engine. Nearing 1000 hrs in 3 years and the only issue has been leaking front axle seals at 50 hrs. It wasnt major but it was covered under warranty. other than that no issues, the loader is incredibly strong, even with a backhoe and loaded tires the rear end gets squirrely at times. if i have to replace my mahindra i would probably consider the TYM to save a bit.
I live up north in cold climate, my dealer advised NOT to buy a Kubota with a def filter .... the do not get hot enough to burn off the smoke particulates ,,300 dollar to have them serviced (burnt off)......i sticking with my old 2910 30 hp
Make sure there is a dealer that can repair your tractor brand, and get parts, within a reasonable travel distance from you. Every brand of tractor will break down and need to be fixed at some time.
Love my 2320 but the driveshaft went with no warning. I bought it used with 300 hours on it. Started greasing regularly when I bought it. Had about 5 seconds of warning shakes before the u-joint blew apart 2 years in.
I do have a 2025r i but weight and rim Garde the reason i don't have a 1025r any more is they have a hard time climbing up a side walk curb due to small front tire and is the same with as a 1025r i also have a 2720 2011 and most home owner don't know you have to grease that drive shaft ,i have ben greasing it since new and still the same drive shaft and i used them commercially ,my dad told us as a kid no Mather what equipment you it always come to the bearing behind the steering have a good day sir like watching your channel
I like my 2025R TLB. When we got it, it was the same price as the 1025R TLB. Dealer had a sale going on, so we bought it, the "1025R with the lift kit".... Been 6 years now, 1100 hours, at times I would like to have the 2032/2038 but the extra $10,000 wasn't worth it at the time and still isn't.
I'm a happy John Deere owner (3R), but objectively speaking, it's confusing to have 2 frame sizes within a series, and the smaller of the two ends up looking awkward.
Agreed. I looked at them all, starting with the 1025R and gradually upselling myself to the 3039R. The frame on the 3039R seemed more substantial; like the 4 series and larger. The smaller tractor frames looked more like lawn tractors. It took me a while to sort out the marketing differences. I'm very happy with my selection but maybe wishing I'd gone with the 385A backhoe instead of the 375A, but haven't used it yet, so don't know.
I'd have to agree on auctions, with the exception of old gassers. Most often it's story is it was running when Pa put it up dry 30 years ago and then just forgot about it Well now pa is gone and the fuels been sitting there going bad and the points corroding.. typically all that's wrong with them. Allot of times they come out of estates and the younger generation can't get them started so they just send them off to auction. Many times you can grab one for less than scrap value. Which means you can always part out then just ditch the major castings
Many auctions are due to company bankruptcy proceedings thus the equipment is sold as is and unless you have the opportunity to inspect the items with a good mechanic or a mechanic yourself it’s a high risk investment.
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I recently purchased a used tractor that hit 4 of the 5 categories to avoid. I purchased an IH Cub Lo-Boy 185 on an auction. It is a 2 wheel drive, no loader, made by IH about a half century ago with very few parts available from Case-IH. It is exactly what I was looking for - mid mount mower and 3 point hitch. I have just over $2,000 invested in it and it does exactly what I wanted it for. At that price point, I can't go wrong.
BTW, I am a retired farmer with a 100 hp tractor that I kept when I retired that I use for big jobs around the 35 acres that I have. My needs were different than most
Thanks for the video
The 2320 wasn't the only tractor with driveshaft problems. Back in 2009, I bought a new 2009 2720 John Deere. Gave great service mostly cutting grass with belly mower, when at 122 hrs on the clock the transmission housing shattered right at the point where the output shaft for the front driveshaft connects to. No warranty left on tractor because then it was a 2 year warranty and had surpassed 2 years by one month. Ended up selling for scrap because the dealer told me it would cost more than what is worth to repair it. Never bought another Deere.
In 2018 we were looking for a subcompact tractor. We looked at Deere 1025R and Massey GC1710. Deere was $26K, Massey was $21k. Obviously we went with Massey and have absolutely no regrets.
I bought a new 1025R this year with a 60 inch deck, a front loader and hydraulic grapple for less than 26k
Yea that is a crazy price, used to be package deals for less the 20K prior to covid,
Wow! My 2019 1025r (with backhoe) was significantly less - some serious dealer markup there.
@@Guitaural. Canadian prices
@@frankwrogg2515 Canadian prices
I love your transparency. I’m glad I got my Kubota 2502 with front loader and backhoe. Also, I love the versaforks I got for it! I’m in a very hilly area just 30 miles outside of Yosemite National park, so 4wd is an absolute must!
2021 was interested in the T25 by TYM , Didnt realise at the time no dealers were close by here in Ohio , i found out TYM built the same tractor for rural king the RK25 , So far no regrets and the RK service team is top notch if needed !
Just bought Tym t 25 so far I like it , my first tractor in upstate ny
@@ajp368 Real nice machines enjoy !
I have an rk 20 minutes from me. How does the service network work? I cannot find where my tractor would be serviced if I purchased there
At my Rural King they have one employee in charge of all the power equipment , Yours should be the same look him up he will go over it all .
@@kellywilson8440 thanks !!
Like Mr. O says on South Main. Not all auction tractors are junk, but all the junk tractors are at the auction.
that 2032R here were i am rediculas wich the deere dealer wanted $82,897.00 for it wich rediculas
Mr. O is a wise and detail meticulous man.
I'm the two-wheel drive exception. I've got a 2WD New Holland TC35, bought it new in 2002, use it for one purpose, mowing the pasture, and have never once needed 4WD. However, I still agree with you, I've got a Bobcat TC40 with a front-end loader for all the other stuff and can't imagine not having 4WD on that one.
I live on hilly land. Cannot get up some hills, with no attachments, without 4wd. 😊
I will say just like anything these days just type in what your looking for and say problems or issues in the Google search! I appreciate ya for doing this ! I see tons of issues with newer vehicles etc. Just like the thing about the auction I saw people at dealerships send stuff purposely to the auction that was junk. Maybe things have changed a bit now but I would stay away. Most like anything these days proper maintenance goes a long ways. My favorite thing is finding the right thing for the right equipment. It doesn't take long with a little research beforehand to find issues or compare features. The one thing I was surprised about JD is the lack of remotes and for what ya pay it's pretty ridiculous.
I remember a few years ago TTWT had a major issue when he purchased a tractor from an auction, I think it was a stolen tractor. Great tip 👍🏻
How can you tell if it was stolen?
@@dougmcmurray4797 Call the local sherrif and ask them to check it out. I bought a trailer from a local national chain pawn shop. Took it home, tried to license it which required a VIN check. Sure enough, it was hot. That same sherrif was very helpful in getting my money back from the pawn store. They were not eager to do so. But if SN tags or data plates are missing, stay away from it.
Totally agree with what you're saying here. I lost all love for John Deere long ago. I would add a comment about two-wheel drive tractors in that putting a FEL on any of them is a waste of time and money. In my opinion these are simply lawn mowers and should be treated and used as such. Especially when it comes to the smaller lawn and garden machines such as the John Deere 4X5 series. With FELs installed they are toys usually purchased by pretend farmers. Great for mowing grass and maybe blowing a 100-foot flat driveway but IMHO that's it. I think Deere made a big mistake even implying these machines are capable of this type of work. Great video.
Great information presented here, Courtney, thank you. We applied many of these concepts when researching a compact tractor and ultimately purchasing our TYM T25 two years ago. It has been a great tool for us and the grapple we purchased from you a few months back has added a whole world of functionality. Thank you for giving us user-based experience to aid in purchasing decisions.
I had zero tractor experience. I retired to a 20 acre place in the Ozarks in 2013. I looked at Kubota, Kioti and JD tractors but had no idea what I was looking at , questions to ask or what to look for. I decided I liked what I saw with JD. In 2015 the dealer pushed me toward the 1025R. I'm extremely happy with it. It came with the bucket, rotary cutter and rototiller. I later bought the Mid Mount Mower, rake and forks and a neighbor gave me her large box blade. It has been very reliable and does everything I have asked from it since arrival. I have thought it might be better to have more power but being retired I'm not needing to do things faster. There's a few things JD did that kind of suck like the positions of the key, light switch and battery but overall I love working with it.
yeah we ended up bought 2 case ih and a kubota because they were lesser price
1025r is a weak little piece of shit! I worked at a JD dealer for 7 years and we had so many issues with them! Valve cover would break sending pieces of it into the engine, trans will leak at some point more than likely and the 4wd driveshaft coupler is weak and they are just low quality and the loaders for what they are are pretty weak. I will agree they do mow pretty good but that's about it.
Thank you for always being truthful and helping your viewers make good choices on their purchases. Oh and I love the bible verse.
I shopped every brand I could for months before I pulled the trigger on a buy. I started with JD and was not impressed. I wound up buying a TYM 2515h with a loader, box blade, and a brush hog. I couldn't be happier with the machine
I did the same.
I bought the TYM T25. BEST tractor for the price just love it.
I found a New Holland TC24D years ago without a loader. It took looking high and low to find a loader, I did it but would not recommend it either. Still have it and love it.
I love my 2014 John Deere 2025R. It does everything I ask of it, snow pushing, snow blowing, brush mowing, finish mowing, discing, lifting, scraping and planting. I absolutely love my 2025R! But what's good for one man isn't necessarily true for the next.
Yours is a first generation 2025r...much better than the second generation. My issues are with the second generation.
@@GoodWorksTractorsI have the 2nd gen. It is a great tractor with a couple mods. 1, bora wheel spacers and 2, I had my dealer dial up the hydraulic pressure for the loader. JD purposely reduces the capacity 20% and I had it dialed up. I can lift 1200lb pallets of rock now.
Just picked up a 2021 JD 1025r with 380 hours on it. Has loader, heated cab, 47" snowblower. They were asking $25,600. Talked them down to $22,500. It was at a local lawn and garden care family business that sells tractors, lawn mowers. I am very happy with it so far. Looking forward to using it this winter for snow removal on my hobby farm.
Add to your list tractors without safety equipment (ROPS)
Also I sold my 30hp 2wd tractor to buy a 17hp 4wd tractor with a loader. Best decision ive made
I would agree with your 5 types to avoid except for #5 and the out of production models. Alot of them have been around for 40, 50, 60, or even 70 years old and they still keep clicking right along. Look at a 8n, or a 2000 / 3000 ford, a 4020JD, 1066 IH etc. Now I think you were meaning tractors 30 years old or less as alot of those are hard to get parts for and yes you have to be mechanically inclined to own a older tractor but like a 8n you can get a restored one for $5k or less and its a great mowing, plowing, or pto tractor
I agree with you except 90% or more of folks getting into tractors aren’t mechanically inclined enough to be able to or want to wrench on those old boys. So, that type was primarily geared towards them.
@GoodWorksTractors I will agree 100% most tractor owners while may have the know how they don't have the desire to have a older machine, and most everyone who buys one of those knows what they are getting into and are ok with it
I grew up farming with a Ford 3000 and a Super Dexter. Ended up selling the Dexter and loader back 30 years ago. Kept the 3000 and bought a 4100. I've kept the Ford 4100 and parts are sometimes iffy but its been a workhorse since we've had it. Grew tobacco, corn, and cattle. I helped some buddies on their 5000+ acre farm op in TN and used some of the newer big equipment but I love the older stuff myself.
I live in an area where there's quite a few dealers nearby (Texas). Up north when I lived in Ohio, I was really only exposed to a few brands. Down here. Really opened up my eyes. I ended up getting a Kioti. But I cross shopped Mahindra and a few others. I can tell you up north that I would have been mocked for even looking at anything that was not a Case, JD, etc. However, I was quite impressed. Especially with what you got for the dollar. I've owned that thing for awhile now and it gets quite a bit of a use, but I'm also meticulous on maintenance. Great Machine..
Great video young man!! Never owned a John deere tractor but bought a Agra Cat without loader found a compact loader 2.000 dollars my neighbour mounted the loader looked like factory worked amazing would lift crazy amount of weight but the front spindles wouldn't hold of to the loader after replacing 3 of them i sold tractor. I've had several tractors. Just bought a new kioti ck3520se shuttle shift tractor i truly love this tractor it's so enjoyable to work with. Thanks for sharing be safe have fun
I am overall pleased with my subcompact Massey Ferguson (Iseki) GC1723 E. I bought it in 2/2021 and have over 100 hours on the diesel engine.
Good specs and reliability for the cost. Be gentle with the loader joystick. The connectors to the hydraulic valves are undersized.
I am pleased for my small 3 acres.
I can pull implements and put forks or bucket in the front which helps me maintain my property. Only desired modification is one of those Pat’s quick hitches for the lower 3 point.
I think I would have preferred the predictable 3 point lever that Yanmar has on their subcompact especially if I was doing heavy landscape operations. The local Yanmar dealer didn’t have any machines for me to see so I didn’t bother buying.
The PTO is plenty powerful for my tiller.
If you want to lift heavy things with the forks (more than ~500 lb), I would step up to a compact size. GC can lift around 900 lbs but that’s at the pins. Once the load gets further out, it becomes dicey and you also want the 4WD on and some heavy rear ballast.
I definitely understand your position on the 2025R. I own one with rim guard and wheel spacers for a small farmstead. 2 reasons I picked it were extra ground clearance and wanting to stay in the 25hp range to keep simplicity of not having exhaust treatment. It is perfect for what I need and I love having it. But unless someone has very specific reasons such as mine I would recommend a different tractor.
I'm a John Deere guy and I agree with you 100%. Never understood the 1 1/2R thing either for all the same reasons. I've been saying the same thing about 3E's as well. I have smaller hands and can touch my thumb and ring finger around the boom cylinders of a 300x loader. That's pathetic, same diameter as the 120R loader. The 3R's on the other hand fix that problem and a host of the other 3E issues. I love my 1025R and think it punches above it's weight and has done everything I've asked it to do including stuff I probably shouldn't have done although the small tires have been a problem a few times. My other JD is a 5075E premium cab and love it, it's a beast. My biggest issue with it is that it has a fast grabby clutch. The loader is awesome.
1250 John Deere
I bought a used 1250 did work on it trying to get it in working condition. Engine locked up suddenly without warning.
I bought a new TYM 574H.
Love it. I have put 55 hours on it and it is a joy to operate. Did my 50 hour service and regular service.
No parts available JD discontinued it and no longer supports it.
If anyone is looking for a big green paperweight I can hook you up
Great video, my first tractor was a 3032e and you are correct in the limit it can perform. Most of the time it worked great, but there were a few times I wish I had a different one that could lift more. I now run a cab 3033r and it is truly a much better machine than my 3032e.
So glad to see you back on the platform, at least occasionally. I know it's a PITA and very time consuming to make videos, and maybe the return on that investment doesn't justify the work for you, but I really miss seeing your videos!
I love my JD 3038E, but you are correct about some of the limitations. I feed smaller round bales (~750 lbs) and the 3E lifts those fine. I had a great deal on some larger 1200lb round bales and had to resort to the 3pt spear to move them around and stacking was not going to happen with the 3E.
I will Post a Video, my 3E will lift a 1 Ton Pallet of Pellets out of my truck and put into storage container and take it back out as needed. 1 ton of pellets plus the pallet, plus the Fork plate and the fork tines. It's lifting and moving a Long Ton. The 3E series Changed a lot in 2018 with a combo direct and metered injection as well. If He would admit it, Courtney has sold MANY E series tractors, and if they sucked, He wouldnt do that!
I just purchased my 1st Tractor a 2024 LS MT573 with a 3rd function installed and 7ft Rotary tiller, 7ft Box Blade, Stump Buster Bucket and a Grapple Bucket for 65k and the Extended warranty covers Bumper to bumper for 6 years no hour limit and that applies to the Implements also. A New Holland Power Master 75 was $1,600 more for just tge Tractor J.D and Kubota was 11- 22k more for just the Tractor and loader. My dealer has been around for Decades.
You hit the nail on the head about the JD 3E series. Lack of power and not the best bang for the Buck. Works well for me with basic applications in Michigan but I could have done better.
So happy I decided early on that 4WD was what I wanted. It really came home this Spring when I was rolling my yard with a 640lb roller. My NH WM25S wouldn’t pull it up my slope. What the heck? It did last year! Then I realized I was in 2WD. Shift to 4WD, problem solved. No more issues. I have seen other 25 HP units I might have liked better but in 2020 when I bought it, small tractors were hard to come by and my NH dealer was the only guy who told me, “I don’t have one tractor on my lot, but I’ll find you one!” And he did in a matter of days. This little blue beastie has been as reliable as it can be and has done whatever I have asked of it. I’m happy with it.
Seeing how JD is treating farmers with their $500,000 machines and now giving the American workers the triple middle finger and moving to Mexico JD can pound sand in my opinion, no green for me, means no green for JD.
I agree, but some of the blame comes from the union members who are just as greedy as management with their demands these days. Like it or not, labor is still a large part of a new machine. Not saying I'm justifying their moves but they have to stay competitive or go broke. And that's no longer possible in the US.
@@Georgiagreen317 facts. Those unions destroy as well.
John Deere already has factories in Mexico. They're just moving production. Still. I don't agree with their decision. There's other things to consider. The Gates plant in Iowa is also laying off workers. They make belts for John Deere. They have to cut back on production.
I have a 3025E and I love it no problems easy to do maintenance on. I have a ranch and rarely have to run it above idle. Even if im digging. Ive had Ford and IH and its the best tractor ive ever had
Shopped around, did a ton of research and made the decision to go with TYM. Namely the T25, and literally by every metric, it out performed JD and Kubota 25hp series by nearly double, and it was more than 20% cheaper than them. No brainer! I'm impressed by it every day. I worked it hard for 1.5 years now and had no issues. Zero regrets!
Thank you for the time you spent creating this video. I appreciate your expertise!
While my tractor works for me, I made several of the mistakes mentioned in this video. I make it work, but the loader, the 4 wheel drive, are two of the biggest things I need.
Bobcat dealer is 3 miles down my road so I went with a CT1025, bucket loader and 60" belly mower for 19,500 out the door. Its been perfect for my 3 acre property.
I sell John Deere, and I have to agree. Problem is Deere is trying to capture basic tractor sales, but not selling them cheap enough. Best to buy a R or M model and get what you pay for.
I had a Deere sub-compact, but after I purchased 50 acres of raw land, I needed something bigger. After my research, I knew I'd never buy another Deere. Most brands are similar, but I had what specs and attachments were a must, and then I had a radius I wouldn't pass. I have a Kubota fairly close to me, and just inside the radius, I have a Kioti and New Holland dealership. With Kioti I purchased the NS4710 with a cab and 4 attachments for several thousand less than a comparable Kubota stripped.
I appreciate you comments and opinions as well as experience on these tractors. thanks for sharing.
I only have 12 acres and I love my JD 3025E. Since my property is not a working farm it does everything that I need.
I haven't seen you in a while. Thanks for your opinion. My suggestion is to know what you are going to do or plan on doing with your tractor and then research each brand. Kubota (which I own) and John Deer are not the only tractors on the market. There are others that are as good or better for the job you are planning.
Love my LS 3140 with backhoe. 400hrs and zero issues. Id does more than I thought it would be able to.
It was either deere or Kubota for me when i was shopping for a sub compact, couldn't get passed the tredle pedal though. so the 1025r is what i got and no regrets here.
I love my TYM 574. Its a beast and I love the mechanical injection. No computer to shut it down or derate it.
I agree about the 2025r. I was looking to upgrade from my 1025r and couldn't understand the purpose of the 1025r. I paid a few extra bucks for the 2032r and the drive on/off mower deck is genius in my opinion.
When i bought my 3E in 2018, JD was the only onne with independent pedals. I hate tredal pedels. I could not justify the extra money for a 3R for no more seat time than I put in a year. JD had 3 local dealerships at the time, kabota did not. I bought the 3E because I could put my 70yr old dad or my 10 yr old grandson on it and not have to worry about them getting the tractor stopped if need be.
the 3E tractors are a Top Seller by John Deere.....in the CUT class ( not scut)
I went with ls because it had more lift capacities than Kubota and deere. Thousands cheaper. Full dealer near me with full repair shop so maintenance isn't an issue.
I bought a 1979 John Deere 1030 with 350 original hours on it. I waited a year and one day a 145 John Derek’s loader came up for sale. I jumped on it!
My first tractor was purchased without a loader so the dealer sold me a woods or Great Bend loader. It was strong but not built to handle its own strength. I got to know a local welder very well.
Agree with the assessment of the 3E series. The 3032E I had was dangerous. The lift capacity was incredibly underwhelming, and back tires would lift off the ground with very little on the front end.
I broke the drive for the front auger on my Kubota snowblower and it was under warranty. I grabbed the part from the dealer because they were very busy and did it myself. The shaft broke right at the transition from one dimension to the other and the first thing I noticed was the shaft didn't have a radius on it, it was a sharp 90 degrees. I brought it to the dealers attention and later received a letter thanking me for noticing the mistake from Kubota main office ( you never have a sharp 90 always put a small rad on it and it wont break there). Anyways they treat me excellent out there at Callahan's and to have the company recognize me was great. The only problem I have is rust and there is no reason for it with a simple and proper primer and paint. I also had all 4 tires loaded on my BX25
Kioti and other off brand compact and subcompacts appear to compete well in the market. If you plan to sit in the seat everyday then stick with Deere or Kubota due to dealer networks and parts availability. We started off with a Kioti 1153 PCC after 850 hours and many issues traded for a 6130R no more issues. We now run two 6130R’s a 5115R, 5100E, 3038E and a 7060 Kubota all 4x4. No issues with any of them and all are well supported by nearby dealerships who come to the farm to service them. I would stay away from the off brands for the larger ag production requirements. In some areas Massey and Case/IH are likely good options.
I bought a used JD 2240, no brakes, milky oil, 2 wheel drive... i got it pretty cheap and my father in law has helped me learn to turn a wrench on it. Needed something heavier than the kubota l3901 to do the round bales. The JD is a whole lot wider, and heavier which makes it really stable on the hill sides we are doing hay on. That being said i am definitely looking at older 4x4 gear driven tractors with loaders and a rollbar. I was always told we needed gear drive on our hills not hydro and the new models all seem to be hydro :(
My 2009 John Deere 3038E has been a good machine. The drawback is the loader lift capacity. I installed some larger lift cylinders that helped a lot. But, the trade off is slower working time lifting and loss of 6 inches lifting height. But , overall with 700 hours on the machine, I have done a lot of work with it and I am satisfied with it.
update the pump too. Mine lifts Over a Ton
I have a JD 3035D gear drive. It’s a work horse, and I don’t regret buying it. That being said it was over priced, but JD is the only dealer around me. There is a Kubota dealer 40 miles from the the house. The JD dealer is 13 miles from the house. 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
I know the 2025r is a 1025r with greater ground clearance. That’s exactly why I wanted it. It’s just like a 1/2 ton truck with greater ground clearance. People who buy it know this. I wanted a 1025r TLB with greater ground clearance and more ballast capability. I only paid $1700 more to step up into the 2025r.
We bought a used 2020 new holland workmaster 25s with a 60 inch deck and loader in 2023 with 258 hours and we paid $15K for it. So far we have 400 hours on it and absolutely love it
Great video Courtney. Thanks for the great work putting this video together.
I have quite a few tractors, from 1956 to 2023 year models. Mostly John Deere one old farmall and a new kubota. Brand is subjective and very dependent on your location. Support is very important whenever you buy anything that costs what equipment costs now days so make sure that whatever you get is supported in your area, outside of that it is very competitive and in recent rears we have been moving away from John Deere. Take from that what you choose, but our reason is our local corporate dealers focus on selling the subcompacts and leave mid size tractor hay and cattle farmers unsupported and on their own. In my opinion John Deere is on their way to loose significant market share with their current strategy.
The local Deere dealer nearest my house tried to screw me on my trade in. I went from a 2013 X738 to a new 2023 X758.
I ended up using a Deere dealer further from my home but he did a great job handling the sale and meeting my trade value which I determined from the auction data. The dealer near me still doesn’t give a Dang about selling X Series tractors he’s focused on selling the $500,000 to $3,000,000 stuff. Customers all have different needs and as a dealer he needs to work to satisfy all customers.
Never had any problems with my Deere products.
My 3039R (2022) was insanely expensive, but an impressive machine. I nearly bought a 2018 3038E before I knew better and I’m extremely happy that I didn’t do that.
I trust your assessment of the 2025r because I don’t have a gen 2. But I think the gen 1 has been a solid tractor.
Gen 1 is a great machine
Excellent video. Great to hear you thinking out loud. Thanks from Australia.
I bought a new Branson(TYM) 2025h Tractor in 2022. 4 Wheel Drive, Loader & Box Blade. So far, so good. It was $10,000.00 less then a comparable JD.
Great, well thought out video. Personally, I would never own any tractor with "rocker" style hydro pedal (maybe type 6 not to own?), especially kubota. Not at all comfortable nor natural to operate.
I think you need to try a Solectrac my friend, fed my cows all winter last year with mine.......it's great, but I hear the same things about the company failing, and I'd tend to agree with ya on the purchase...the price point is just too high for a small farmer/homestead/orchard/greenhouse tractor. As for the thought that electric cars are a "fad" ...that's a bold statement my brotha. I predict we'll be making fun of gasoline powered cars in 50 years just like the Steam Locomotive......it's coming, electric cars/trucks and big rigs are coming. Politics are going to change shape now that Elon and Trump are teamed up.....6 months ago Trump was making fun of electric cars, now......he's Elon's biggest fan.....gonna be a shift in the politics of the EV soon, mark my words. Not my choice....but the EV is gonna be our new normal
I don't think electric cars are a fad, but there's a reason production is pausing and/or sales are slowing on many electric models. EV needs to get much more economical and practical. Not just the upfront purchase price, but battery range as well as replacement battery cost. I have no doubt it'll get there in the future and we gotta start somewhere.
I will just keep my Cockshutt Tractors. We have a 30 and a 50 model. They have served us well since the 1960's and are still going strong.
I fully agree with your assessment of the 3E series. For goodness sakes you can't even remove the loader like ALL of their direct competitors can.
It depends if you want John Deere & what you use the tractor for, I can get a 3025E with a loader used.. Cheaper then a 1023E with a loader used..
How many people actually DO remove the loader? Stupid Statistic that means Nothing. Courtney will NOT say That he cannot KEEP a 3025 in Stock because they sell so fast.
As he sells tractors, I don’t see the logic in your statement. He won’t say he can’t keep a certain type of tractor on the lot…because it sells? He won’t say that why exactly?
Not sure I fully agree with your fifth category
There are a ton of old long out of production tractors that are well supported with parts by their manufacturer still
Green tractors come to mind, not only that often the build quality on older tractors is far better then that found on newer models
Very true. But with "Green" machines, what parts are still available come at a very high price. They really only sell what's left on their shelves for a specific model and once that is depleted, it's NLA. Green and yellow paint has become very expensive.
Just bought a new 2025r with 60” mower deck and a 4’ frontier 2048 brush high for just over 22k with a 120r self leveling loader.
I love my 4052R...had a 3032E....what an upgrade.
The 1025R small tires has low ground clearance, so i bought a 2025R new in 2020. Wanted a tractor i could take in the woods. The 1025R is not a woods tractor. Bought my 2025R new with a loader, 4 way bucket, backhoe, power angle snowplow and recently added forks. I agree it feels tippy and i should add wheel spacers. Other than that it has been a great machine, not one issue. I bought a John Deere cuz there are 2 dealers within 20 min of my house and they end up bidding against each other.
Pretty much the same story for me. I thought the small tire size and lower clearance wasn't the way to go, so I got the 2025R in 2020. I've never wished I had gotten the 1025R.
At the moment JD has a 170,000 recalls on their lawn tractors!??!?!
I have never understood the attraction to JD equipment and currently you couldn't give me one! As a retired farmer I had two Case, one Massey Ferguson diesels and one IH gas when I sold the farm.
I just found your channel and wish I had found it earlier. I just purchased a 2003 JD 4100. Only 168 hours on it. I purchased from the widow of the original owner. Her husband got ill shortly after the purchase and would use it very little every year until his death. To your knowledge, is there anything I need to be cautious of while using this tractor? Any know issues that I need to be watchful of. It is my first tractor and don't plan on doing more than blowing snow and moving some yard waste around. Thanks for you feedback.
Thank you. Your honesty is appreciated. And amen to that scripture!!!
You've told that 2320 story a bunch, but it was a 2305 then.
I believe they're similar driveshaft design. I greased my 2305 driveshaft when I got it and with the right tool it was very simple. I had to do some repairs on it at the start but now it's been bulletproof for me.
Yes, 2305 too. It was on a 2320 for me though, not a 2305.
How about picking your favorite model from each brand And then go into detail about why you'd like that particular model
FYI, the John Deere 4400 tractor can accept the same loader as the current 3R series tractors, so a 320R will fit perfectly. There is no difference in the tractor frame from '00', '10', '20' series tractor models. In fact, the 300CX, H165, and 320R loaders are exactly the same except for the model decal.
Thank you for the great advice . You have saved me a lot of $$ and headaches. I have always had to learn by my mistakes in the past !
Whew! I'll bet that was good therapy for you, Courtney, to get all that off your chest. 😊Glad to have the input for the rest of us, especially those in the market for a new ride in the near future.
J D . You pay for the green paint... i own a Massey GC with 5100hrs on it and still going strong 😊
I own a 10 year old JD 3025e and I work at a place that has the new JD 3033r. There are things I like more about each machine. My 3025e has way better visibility on the front. I can easily pick up pallets with . Meanwhile yesterday I was moving pallets with the 3033r and while sitting you can't see the forks at all. I kept having to stop and stand up and adjust the forks then sit back down and hope for the best. Yes the 3033r can lift more and that's one thing that is a downfall of the e series. But I think it really depends what you're doing with it. They are much less expensive than the r series so I don't expect as much out of it. It's my first tractor and someday I'll upgrade. There's a John Deere dealer a mile from my house so it's hard to go with another brand, if something breaks I have a repair shop right in town
The 2wd tractor with engine at the front is designed for towing equipment. A front loader, chains and a weight at the back, even 4x4 will be enough versatility for many. But a Loader is at another level. You will be able to do more effective work and actually heavy lifting with an old big yellow machine. So what is your needs. 2 machines gives you more options. Then an old machine do need more love. You need to be able to wrench. But for many that is what you can afford. Then the old stuff are built to last. And new stuff is just overcomplicated. A roof over your stuff is always good. But old cast iron is tough as hell. You just need to do the service and keep an eye on the batteries. I have come to the conclusion that every vehicle is made for a purpose and as long as you understand that, it will be just fine. Those things are just big tools. What tool do you need? Maybe you need a forklift, maybe a dumper, a big rigg. We are many who just want to have thing because it is fun. But more things means more time needed for repair and you know, the love everything needs. And money is involved. Then if you have a big farm you will probably want value for the money, it might mean the latest and biggest. At the business scale, everything is about the calculator.
I bought a 1987 Ford 1520. Good fun. Does what I want.
The 2320 if you replace the drive shaft u joints with-in 400 hrs.' with greaseable U joints generally the transmission issues go away. The rear u joint when it fails it damages the trans axel.
OK, I have a 2021 2025R. First tractor I've ever owned. I love it, because I love having a tractor.
I would like more capacity, more power.
I do like the size though, because I have to maneuver around lots of trees.
I have a 2023 2025R and it’s been great, he said they suck going on small hills and I disagree. I have a bunch of rocky hills where I live and I point my nose down doing down and up going up and go over rocks and holes and it’s stable. I have not added spacers or liquid in my tires. I don’t use any counter weights and I fill my loader going up and down those hills. It’s my first tractor but I’ve worked on and used plenty due to my grandpa having gone through numerous tractors in my lifetime, I think at least 7-8 different of different kinds. My 2025R was going for a good deal, it had front loader, backhoe and I got a box blade because I didn’t need anything else at the time, should have gotten forks or a tiller. Lol, but I got mine for $23,000 because it was their moving to the next year model sale. Basically the same as the 2024 model but cosmetic differences and possibly something small elsewhere I don’t know. It’s a great tractor.
I’ve been tossing the idea of a TYM T574. 55hp HST option with cab with 3rd function for 37,000 and that’s with two standard remotes. I recently sold my 2021 John Deere 3033R with grapple pallet forks bucket and 72” deck with the load-n-go brackets for $27,000 only 113 hours. I feel I could’ve sold it higher but I didn’t have it listed. My question is have you ever had your hands on the TYM T574? Also I payed 38k for the 3033T in 2021 new from dealer. Crazy I can get a 55hp tractor that lifts over double the weight with loader with a cab for the same price. John Deere prices are digging their own grave.
I’ve got my sights on the same tractor only I’m getting gear shift and open station because I’m in the woods a lot on my 40 acres. Also my local dealer offers an up armor kit for an extra 2 G’s full skid plates underneath, around fuel tank, hydraulic pump/block, grill and side guards for the engine.
I have a 574 hst with a cab, loaded rears and a backhoe.
Only issues in 140hrs have been a few loose hose clamps on the cooling system. They are an absolute beast and the Kukje, being mechanical injection, was the big selling point for me.
@@FarmFieldNForestyou won't be disappointed.
@@cwcweldingfabricationandrepair went to the dealer today to test drive one and I can’t say enough good about my experience with the dealer and the 574. What a smooth runner, shifts clean, runs smooth and quiet. It’s like driving a new truck really impressive machine. If anyone has had interest in one of these machines I suggest to go get on one because internet stats and videos only go so far.
i have the mahindra 2660 which is basically the same tractor with a mahindra engine. Nearing 1000 hrs in 3 years and the only issue has been leaking front axle seals at 50 hrs. It wasnt major but it was covered under warranty. other than that no issues, the loader is incredibly strong, even with a backhoe and loaded tires the rear end gets squirrely at times. if i have to replace my mahindra i would probably consider the TYM to save a bit.
I live up north in cold climate, my dealer advised NOT to buy a Kubota with a def filter .... the do not get hot enough to burn off the smoke particulates ,,300 dollar to have them serviced (burnt off)......i sticking with my old 2910 30 hp
Make sure there is a dealer that can repair your tractor brand, and get parts, within a reasonable travel distance from you. Every brand of tractor will break down and need to be fixed at some time.
Thank you for the video and your thoughts on this subject.👍
Love my 2320 but the driveshaft went with no warning. I bought it used with 300 hours on it. Started greasing regularly when I bought it. Had about 5 seconds of warning shakes before the u-joint blew apart 2 years in.
Always got the best content...thanks for all the tips!
I do have a 2025r i but weight and rim Garde the reason i don't have a 1025r any more is they have a hard time climbing up a side walk curb due to small front tire and is the same with as a 1025r i also have a 2720 2011 and most home owner don't know you have to grease that drive shaft ,i have ben greasing it since new and still the same drive shaft and i used them commercially ,my dad told us as a kid no Mather what equipment you it always come to the bearing behind the steering have a good day sir like watching your channel
I like my 2025R TLB. When we got it, it was the same price as the 1025R TLB. Dealer had a sale going on, so we bought it, the "1025R with the lift kit".... Been 6 years now, 1100 hours, at times I would like to have the 2032/2038 but the extra $10,000 wasn't worth it at the time and still isn't.
I'm a happy John Deere owner (3R), but objectively speaking, it's confusing to have 2 frame sizes within a series, and the smaller of the two ends up looking awkward.
Agreed. I looked at them all, starting with the 1025R and gradually upselling myself to the 3039R. The frame on the 3039R seemed more substantial; like the 4 series and larger. The smaller tractor frames looked more like lawn tractors. It took me a while to sort out the marketing differences. I'm very happy with my selection but maybe wishing I'd gone with the 385A backhoe instead of the 375A, but haven't used it yet, so don't know.
Whew, I listed my first comment before I watched the video. I was sweating bullets if you were going to list the 1025r.
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I'd have to agree on auctions, with the exception of old gassers.
Most often it's story is it was running when Pa put it up dry 30 years ago and then just forgot about it
Well now pa is gone and the fuels been sitting there going bad and the points corroding.. typically all that's wrong with them.
Allot of times they come out of estates and the younger generation can't get them started so they just send them off to auction. Many times you can grab one for less than scrap value. Which means you can always part out then just ditch the major castings
Was wondering what your views are about the new Holland sub compact and compact tractors are.
Many auctions are due to company bankruptcy proceedings thus the equipment is sold as is and unless you have the opportunity to inspect the items with a good mechanic or a mechanic yourself it’s a high risk investment.