Could these Brazilian air rifle pellets be a game changer? Rifle RTX premium & Diabolo STR
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Accuracy testing the new Rifle brand air rifle pellets. i test 2 types, the RTX premium 8.33gn competition pellet and the Diabolo STR hunting pellet.
The RTX certainly look like they have huge potential and are made to super high standards matching a lot of the top end European brands such as H&N and JSB and they bare a lot of resemblance to the RWS super fields and the Norma heavy hunting pellets.
The diabolo STR are unfortunately one of the worst pellets ive used to date and resemble the old boxed pellets from the 1980s...
I use the Air Arms xti 50 and the airmaks katran and also use the new clamping rig for some super accurate testing.
Those STR remind me of the old Bulldogs that use to be sold before we found out about decent German pellets when Airgun World first hit the shops in the late 70's.
Yes!! That's the ones I was thinking of squashed into what looked like a raisin box when I was a kid 🤣😂
@@tillysgunstocks I remember getting my parents to buy me 2 tins of "Airship" brand pellets, when I opened the outwardly identical tins one contained one style, the other style was completely different! Mind you, back then I was glad to just have some pellets!
And those horrible Marksman ones in a cardboard box that I bought from the high street sports shop when I was 11!
I can't complain as I won second prize in a completion run by Sporting Air Rifle 1960s for an HW 80 (the first prize I think was the HW 77 and the third was the smaller gun than the HW 80) We had to purchase a box of new pellets that were useless grouping at around 12 inch at 35 yds ) and say in so many words why we liked using them. I collected the HW80 from a show at Kempton Park when I collected it one of the people on their stand turned to his mate and said here is another one who tells lies. They had a few field knockdown targets set up so I tried to enter with it with open sights he put a few shots through the Chrono and it was doing 14 ft-lbs new straight out of the box So he wouldn't let me enter. I think that with Wasp in 22
Pellet testing is one of the chores, I must admit to have moved away from the usual routine as, well, life is too short.
It does, however, hack me off immensely that there seems to be a massive lack of consistency, even more so these days, in a certain pellet manufacturer.
Example. Yes I like to size my own pellers. No I dont go weighing, been there got the t shirt, but I like to get a load of 453 and size them down to 452 and 451s. In batches of course.
It has become apparent that when I do a run of FX 452 and check a random 50 odd by actually putting then through the 452 sizer they consistently stop around 14 mm into the sizer. This gives me a really good feeling about manufacturing tolerances, which is what we look for.
Try that with another brand with 453 stated sizes and 2 in 50 drop right through the 452 sizer!
I can only assume from this and what I have heard at my club, that this manufacturer may have ceased investment in tooling due to external political influences in the future of lead projectiles.
Of course I could be completely wrong here and am willing to be corrected.
Seems i wasn't the only one hoping for something entirely different when i saw Brazilian in the title... 😮😂
😂🤣😂🤣😂 what's more surprising is I managed to keep a straight face the whole vid and keep it family friendly 🤣
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Brazilian? Did I miss something?
@@noelwallace5257 It is the Brazilian backside of some of the most beautiful women in the world I believe is the secret subject matter at hand here my friend!
I am from Brazil, these RTX in 7.87gr went relly well in my HW57, the JSB are better, but not that much.
Hi mate, thanks for joining us in the UK 😉
Yes these rtx are nicely made. Maybe they need to have a quick tumble to remove the lead flakes before they are lubed and tinned. They could be excellent then.
Do you have any other interesting pellets in Brazil,that we don't get in Europe?
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I will check them out thanks😉
RIFLE lead pellets (Brazilian made): one word only, very good stuff. Won´t say as good as JSB perhaps, but not so far away. Very consistent. Excellent manufacturing quality. My suggestion, try the PREMIUM Series: Flathead; Round; Pointed and Thunder. 100% recommended ... !!!
been using Rifle Destroyers for over a year, they need cleaning but they shoot very well
The sample pack reminded me of those Marksman pellets in the cardboard box that were terrible in fact you would have more chance by throwing the box full of them at the target, and guess what they still make and sell them!
That's the ones and the bulldog ones I remember as a kid 🤣🤣
Any pellets is better than no pellets... just..
The acid test for all pellets is a check for grouping at 50-55 yards. 25 yards is not really good enough to establish a conclusion.
There is merit to your opinion in that twice the distance isn't necessarily just twice the group size.
Another great and informative video, saves us a fortune as we font end up purchasing useless pellets.
Yeah costs me a fortune Phil 😂
Fun though... I'm definitely going to wash the half decent ones. I'll save them up with a few others and do a wash lube size type video .that will be fun in the clamp rig 😉
Thanks for the heads up Mr T. I'm not sure I'd want to be handling toxic heavy metal dust in oil that could end up everywhere. Have you ever seriously tested flat heads/wad cutters? I bought a JTS airacuda Max .177 as I was stunned with how good the .22 version was. Seated bench tested at 25 yds the .177 RWS Superfield were terrible (a shock I know). I had some Bisley practice (for CO2 pistol) 15mm hole! For a laugh I bought cheapo RWS hobby, 12mm hole!! I spent a king's ransom on JSB Target Sports Diablo, 8mm hole!!! Results speak louder than opinion and every rifle has its pellet. Cheers and keep up the good work.
Its been printed on the faces for years lol, Bisley cannot be beaten in practice :-p
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Hi mate, the only wadcutters I've had on here are the h&n Econ 11s. Got to be honest they are a mighty impressive pellet for the short range work, especially given the very modest prices...😀
I purchased the brand RIFLE pellets last years and liked the quality, though when attempting to purchase more of them I discovered suppliers had stopped selling them and said they were discontinued.
It looks like they will be more readily available going forward mate. They are imported by smk now 🤔
A empresa destes chumbos , segundo boatos , esta levando sua produção para a Europa e não priorizando o mercado local. No Brasil é muito difícil comprar os importados JSB com boa qualidade ( parece produto de terceira ) o que nos obriga importa os JSB principalmente de Portugal.
@@MarcosRodrigues-ms2ok hi mate 😉 do many of you in Brazil use h&n? Or mainly jsb?
What do the Rtx cost at home? Cheers!
@@tillysgunstocksa maioria dos competidores WRABF Unlimited JSB 25 grs redesenhado , na modalidade HV e LV prevalece JSB e AirArms e uma pequena parcela H&N. Os chumbo local ainda não tem qualidade para competir nas provas .obs: falo dos chumbinho utilizados na região que sou Federado FMTE , já a nível da CBT ( nacional ) não tenho propriedades para pronunciar. 17:24
I tried some pointed tips and they seem to be fairly good
The Rifle Snipers worked really well in my HW97k 177
Recently I’ve had good success with QYS streamlined in my Katran c, took a gamble an bought another tin from same supplier an same batch etc, emailed to find out how many more tins they have if any, waiting to hear back…
Hi mate, the streamline heavies have been pretty good in mine. It's a bit of a fussy barrel but I've a few batches of AA fields it likes too. It's an absolute beast with the heavy hollow point jsb in the purple tins
Can't remember the name now but they hit hard!
Thanks for bringing these to the attention of those of us who’ve never heard of this Rifle brand 👍 Personally they don’t appeal but am sure there will be some folk who don’t mind having to clean these up prior to using them.
Regarding the ‘comedy’ range I do wonder if you were unlucky in getting a Friday batch, it’s hard to believe a company would produce such a duff pellet, they’re the worst that I’ve ever seen
Hi mate, it's frustrating with the comedy ones especially as they were repacked in the UK.so twice they were ok'd 😡 maybe they are just a proper low quality job.not priced accordingly though over here...naturally
My HN45 black star pistol in 177 really likes HN excite pellets , they group better than pellets costing more than double , anyway, the saying gos "the barrel chooses the pellets" .
If you are interested in a literal pellet proof backstop l would seriously recommend using blu tac, yes the exact same stuff you use stuff to stick things to.
Less than half and inch of the stuff will stop a 12 ftlb 14.5 grain pellet no problem, at one inch you can literally hit the same spot 10 times in a row at point blank range and it wont blow through the back and catches absolutely all of the leftover lead which can be melted down into slingshot ammo or fishing weights (or more airgun ammo if you have the right equipment to make your own) it makes zero noise when hit also so if you have nosey neighbours who like to complain about the slightest thing/noise its an absolute must, yes it can cost a bit to have a lot of it bit for £20 ive made a 6 inch by 6 inch and 1 inch thick plate of the stuff and is my go to backstop.
If you freeze the stuff the pellet wont even make it more than a couple milimeters through it, i even froze a pencil shaped piece and smacked it with a 500g hammer on an anvil and it didnt shatter, the stuff is remarkably good at stopping kenetic energy dead.
Ive even used 1 inch wide broadheads on a wooden shaft arrow from a 40lb draw weight recurve bow and the tips barely poke out the other side, using field points it works even better at stopping them.
A slingshot that gives off around 20 ftlb of energy with 10mm steel balls it barely makes it through 3mm of the blu tack at room temperature and the steel balls dont bouce off it either
I would seriously recommend anyone who doesnt have access to a lot of land or cant get to a rifle range to give it a go, it can also be used to line your pellet traps to make them absolutely completely quiet, the thinner the layer the more often youll have to remove the lead pellets and reshape it into a somewhat consistently thick plate to shoot.
Ive not tested it with any fac rated airguns or firearms so i cant speak on that though i would love to see someone shoot a .22lr at a 2 foot thick block of the stuff then pour plaster into whatever would channel would be created to see how deep and how much expansion it causes because it almost polishes .22 pellets with 11.5ft lb when it stops them and causes them to expand a bit due to how quickly it stops them
My freezer goes as low as -20 celcius for anyone curious and theres no cracking or any signs of stress.
Using a 5.5 ftlb air pistol they only dent it and get caught by it at room temperature they make it aprox 2mm deep at point blank range.
When i tested it, it genuinely blew my mind at how well it works plus you can stick paper targets directly to it without needing tape, maybe a pin at the most but ive never needed to use pins or staples plus you can use permanent market to draw a dot onto it for a very simple target which is a game changer for newbies who are getting into shooting airguns but cannot for whatever reason get to a rifle range due tio them being unable to drive or just want to simply shoot at home without worry of damaging anything
My local gun shop got some in about 12 months ago , they weren't the best but sertenly weren't the worst , and they also had them both 177 and 22.
I reckon the better ones have some potential, they're built to a good standard but I can't say for sure what sort of tolerances there is between batches. That could be a concern going forward
Never heard of this brand before, premiums may be worth a look at to see how they perform in different rifles. If the STRs were cheap, guess they would be okay for a bit of tin can plinking at short ranges. Looks like you ended up with the rejects though, wonder if a full tin come like that?
Morning mate, I think h&n have the market dominated right now, especially at the budget end. The str are truly terribly made.im half tempted to write to the importer and see what they say.
The premium are definitely well made but if they are happy to let the str out the door what will batch consistency look like on the premiums going forward 🤔
Dunno really but I enjoyed filming this one😉
@@tillysgunstocks os str no .177 não valem nada. Não presta. No .22 é um pouco melhor, a linha da rifle Premium é um pouco melhor que a str. O chumbinho rtx medium no .22 é de qualidade razoável.
Memories of standing outside w j bass in feltham waiting for an adult to approach and ask him if he could get me a box of 100 marksmans or 200 if i was rich that week 😂😂
yes i see the slight impact change, its called all over the place
With my usual caveat “…in the barrel of my gun.”
I’ve gone away from .177 JSB Exact Diablo and Express pellets because of the too large variation (manufacturing tolerance) in weight and head size in each tin (unless you luck into a particular batch) let alone between batch numbers. The Premium pellets are much better - but you pay a high price for them.
I was given some Norma pellets recently. Very small variation in weight and head size. The head size is relatively small; which, “in the barrel of my gun”, opens up the group.
I’m always on the lookout for the best pellet “in the barrel of my gun”. Which, currently, is the Barracuda 8 - and (at time of comment) less than £9 a tin, is very affordable. For balance, in a friend’s HW100 they group abysmally.
Not available atm here in the USA.... looks like a pellet I want to try. Price is a big factor of course as prices on most import pellets (JSB, H&N, Meistrkulgen etc. ) tend to be 40% + higher than domestic. Good video, thank you.👍
They're definitely worth a consideration if the price is favourable mate. The actual build tolerances are probably on par with the crosmans. The boxed ones...
@@tillysgunstocks Ah..in other words a very good "plinker" but for serious accuracy there is better, you gets what you pay for..... thanks for the reply 👍
@@BoggWeasel yeah I reckon you would have a lot of fun with these,but I don't think I'd rely on them for comp/match work really. I don't think much will beat the jsb express from last week's video except the wind 😂 finding decent batches of jsb heavies though... A right pain of late
A problem with posting these out with so few in the tin is they can move about so much they get damaged in transit
I’m getting a lot of inconsistent pellets in QYS now. At first they were really accurate but have definitely dropped off now.
I've found after many years in the sport one gun's ideal pellet is another gun's nightmare. My BSA Urban loves H&H Baracuda8 4.51mm, while my BSA Scorpion FT gun shoots best with AirArms Diablo Field 4.52mm. Two very accurate barrels made by the same manufacturer, I thought they would have prefered the same?
I'm also Brazilian. These pellets group more than JSBs in some of my guns. The problem is that batch variation greatly influences constancy.
The Rifle brand has an extensive repertoire. STRs are the oldest, they were what I could use when I was growing up. I think they keep them out of nostalgia or for plinking into really bad guns.
Hi mate, thanks for joining us in the UK 😀
Which of the rifle brand pellets do you find the best quality? I don't think we have the full range available in the UK yet.
What do they cost in Brazil? 😎
@@tillysgunstocks Rtx are the best. In .22 you can find a box with 250 units of 18,13 gr for 68 BRL (9,44 GBP). The equivalent 500 units box of JSB costs 140 BRL (19,43 GBP) for reference. Rifles are reasonable for us if price stays bellow JSBs costs.
@@rafaelbuenomfc thanks for the Info mate. Quite a big price difference for the jsb then..
This tin of Rtx looks like it has some potential. If I get time I will clean them up and see if I can improve the performance.
We are quite lucky here though as we can get the h&n for around 10gbp for a tin. 😉
@@tillysgunstocks how much you pay in UK for Rifle pellets? I'm Brazil we haven't energy rules for airguns. So for everyday shooting, homemade slugs are more cost effectives. Some people develops good molds here.
Brazilian eh?? yep some of those cheap pellets look as though the skirts were shaved.
You beat me to it, David.
Those landing strips are renowned for their straightness and precision.
@@SilasMoleCatcher Yes but they're awfully damp
😂😂😂😂 quality comment😊
Nice to see you using a rear bag T.
Yeah mate,making a concerted effort to dial in my technique.now I've set a few benchmarks with the first clamp rig video it's given me some numbers to work with. Definitely working too😉
@tillysgunstocks Love the clamp rig by the way. Definitely emphasize in the results of separating yourself from the equation.. lol We all can't carry around that monster though. 🤣
Why do you wear those gloves? Just curious.
Target shooting gloves are quite rigid and help reduce pulse movement Into the rifle😉
if these are half as good & as affordable as the Apolo (yes one L) 33grn slugs I buy from IHunter for my FX FAC, that are made in Argentina, they will be good
Would you like to try some uk made slugs , let me know what weight and I will make you some
Can you do a mid weight .177? 10-12gn ISH? Probably need a reasonably dished base 🤔
@@tillysgunstocks I can go down to 10 grain and up to whatever you want , flat base only with the .177 die
Those samples look home made in a wooden hole from old fishing weights 😮
😂 you know what ,I reckon I could atleast match the build quality of them in my shed 🤔
@@tillysgunstocks Now there's an idea for an episode 😁
These pellets are very good. In fact, this was the brand used by the current WRABF Light Varmint world champion in competition. Other Olympic athletes also use pellets from this brand.
Who was the shooter using them? 😀
@@tillysgunstocksSilva Edgard Neto
have you tried the jts .177 pellets yet? theyre not bad in my katrans
Not yet mate, I didn't know they were out yet in .177
I'll have a look for some 😉
@@tillysgunstocks i only found them at krale theres an 8.7gr and 10.4gr not too bad for a tenner nice and clean as well. got some of the different snowpeaks as well and theyre good for 3.50-4.50 a tin ideal for plinking
Back in the day. All we had was the WASP PELLETS .177 CAL BRILLIANT. NEW STUFF REMINDED ME OF THE WASP😂🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉. 500 BLOCKS WER CHEAP 5.50.
@brettellis1837 more of a young buck myself but i remember using wasps and ended up using some calipers on them and a lot of them were .225 in size even though they were meant to be .22 🤣 (wish i had some i used to use to weigh them but alas they have been all used up) to be fair they did the job and put food on the table so i cant really complain, they did the job, i guess ylthe oversize of them ensured they had adequate seal against the rifling though would have been at a cost of fps and ftlb of energy (hence why slugs dont work in sub 12ftlb due to the increase of friction on the rifling causing a massive drop off to fps and overall kenetic energy)
Compared to what we have today theres a night and day difference
Top em.
Anyone else really hoping the shitty pellets turned out brilliant? Saying that, if they made them better, they could turn out quite decent.
I was hoping for a miracle... Tbh they actually grouped way better than I thought they would 🤔 kinda throws a spanner in the works for the microscopic tolerances we are usually after..
There are a better Brazilian brand which is called the FF Balistic Power and the FF Hellboy. They are more looking like the Skenko pellets. Try those.
I don't think we can get them in Europe mate. Are you in Brazil? I'd like to try as many different pellets as possible from all around the world 😉😉
Cheers!
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STR's look like the ones my granny used to make.... with her teeth...eugh
Bet they are leaving some shite in the barrel?
Hi fellas , just find the right pellet for ur barrel , and stick to that brand , swapping and changing makes no sense .... H&N every time for me ........for target work or Hunting ......
Those pellets look like they have already been fired
The best ones are the ones with the flutes that look to be plaited around the waist🤔 I've never seen anything quite like it...
n1 bud
Interesting, but ashame that the presenter likes the sound of his own voice too much,
Tried themnin a few of my rifles..crap in all of them.....
What have you tried them in mate? Would be useful info for all of us..might save some of the crew on here a few quid 😉
@@tillysgunstocks ..daystate..crown...agt vulcan....s410...hw100....
Realmente os str não prestam, qualidade muito ruim. Alguns modelos de pelets da marca rifle são de qualidade medianas, no .22 tem melhor qualidade. Chega agrupar bem em alguns rifles de ar.
Hi mate, are you in Brazil? If yes, thanks for joining us in the UK 😉
Is there any other versions? We have some slugs and the Str and Rtx .
Is there any other interesting pellets made in Brazil? I would like to try as many different ones as possible,from all around the world 😉😉
Cheers!
Sim! Sou brasileiro, tem outras marcas de chumbinho não são muito boas, a marca rifle tem outros modelos, rtx, supermagnum, destróyers, flat, dome, thunder, pointed, round no calibre.22 são melhores, no 4.5 não são uniformes. Eu usava da marca gamo, caiu muita qualidade. O melhor que uso é o jsb porém chega aqui muito caro. Aqui no Brasil é muito complicado devido política de esquerda ser contra armas. Tudo fica difícil.
The ones I have are stubby little things and aren't the best. Won't be getting any more
Do they look the same as the ones I've got here mate? Doesn't sound like it? 🤔
@@tillysgunstocks the ones I have are diabolo str
Those pellets look horrendous, it like they have taken pellets that have already been shot, gathered them up and sent them to you, 😂🤣😂
🤣😂 there's a few there that I'm particularly fond of. In the zoomed in pic there's a few that the flutes in the skirts are almost plaited together. They're like a magic eye picture.my eyes can't focus on them,just looks completely impossible a shape to make.
The comedy Pellets must be Uniformly Deformed to get that tight.
I have a much cheaper rifle and I still get quarter sized groups at 30 yards using Crosman 7.4 grain Pointed.
Also nice consistent muzzle velocities, which I believe helps.